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Libyan PNS: Now the liberation of Sirte and Al-Jufra is more relevant than ever

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Libyan PNS: Now the liberation of Sirte and Al-Jufra is more relevant than ever

The intensity of the armed confrontation between the forces of the Government of National Accord and the Libyan National Army has significantly decreased over the past few days. The PNS troops, along with the pro-Turkish militants supporting them, deployed from Syrian Idlib, are located in the vicinity of Sirte and not far from Al-Jufra, without crossing this line.


In this regard, it is worth noting that no diplomatic measures have had such an impact on the PNS as Faiz Saraj’s short statement by the President of Egypt Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. Recall that the Egyptian leader threatened the PNS to send troops to the territory of Libya if the PNS forces along with the militants cross the Syrt-Al-Dzhufra line. Egyptian crews tanks and helicopters for several weeks are on the western borders of Egypt, awaiting orders to start operations on Libyan territory. There is no order, since the forces of Saraj are not going to take control of Sirte, and so far remain in previously occupied positions.

At the same time, representatives of the PNS through accounts on social networks declare that "now the release of Sirte and Al-Jufra is more relevant than ever."



Earlier, the head of the Libyan government of national accord met with the head of the Italian cabinet. Italy is concerned about the fighting in Libya. One of the main reasons is that the southern part of Italy, in the event of a new Libyan escalation, may face another wave of refugees from this North African state.
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  1. Samara_63
    Samara_63 29 June 2020 08: 09 New
    -28
    Egypt is ridiculous in its threats, lost everything and long ago
    Turkey is useless to threaten, not an impressionable country
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 June 2020 08: 15 New
      19
      Quote: Samara_63
      Egypt is ridiculous in its threats, lost everything and long ago

      Yeah ... And that is why Saraju is so stupid to cross the line indicated by Egypt ...

      Quote: Samara_63
      Turkey is useless to threaten, not an impressionable country

      She showed her especially "unimpressiveness" when Erdogan was pinching in corners in 2016, and military helicopters were circling over Istanbul and Ankara, ready to catch the "Sultan" and send them to feed the fish.
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 29 June 2020 08: 38 New
        -24
        If only Turkey really relocates its troops to Libya, Egypt will follow the path of its traditional military defeats, and then the Turks there have only a small contingent
        As for Erdogan and where he snubbed there, these are internal disassemblies, and if Erdogan had been thrown off, Russia would have fought with the Turks from at least three different directions at once - Armenia, the Black Sea, Syria
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 29 June 2020 09: 50 New
          +5
          Good Samara. Turkey has number sixteen in all this mess. Libyan oil is now unnecessary in the world. Even if the "Sultan" erupts at the navel, "grown-up" uncles from the USA and Europe will not give him oil and influence, and co-religionists will not stand aside will. Except Egypt (Arab oilmen sponsors) at any time Greece and Cyprus can kick up (Europe threatens with a finger) or the Kurds go on a "crusade" (they hold the mattresses on the collar) This Libyan disco will last more than one year. in three directions - just the opposite, without the ambitions of the Sultan, everything would be quieter and calmer - money does not like noise.
          1. Samara_63
            Samara_63 29 June 2020 10: 54 New
            -6
            Hi!
            Speaking the top of the Air Force against Erdogan was hostile to Russia, the pilot shot down our plane behind Erdogan
            Erdogan is a difficult partner, but predictable and fulfilling his obligations. Notice that he always carries on intelligence to negotiate with Putin, so he not only substantiates his position, but also dumps information, and in general I noticed that Erdogan is able to talk with Putin
            As for the Turkish army, objectively, their fleet is stronger than ours, the ground forces are more in the direction of Armenia, not to mention Syria, the Air Force, they can concentrate all planes against us, we are not, the Ukrainian direction takes away many resources from Russia
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 29 June 2020 11: 14 New
              +2
              Honestly, the arguments are rather weak Vasily. On the shelves. wink
              1. The top of the rebellion does not mean the leadership of the country. Remember this "The revolution is prepared by geniuses, made by romantics, and the fruits are used by crooks. Or did you think that the military would be left in power?
              2. The fleet of Turkey is larger in number))) But in the Black Sea it is not an adversary. Do you have a strong advantage in modern RCC.
              1. Samara_63
                Samara_63 29 June 2020 11: 37 New
                -10
                No, on the Black Sea, our with Turkey is weak ... More precisely, we don’t have a fleet there, and those corvettes that aren’t pulling, God forbid, keep the coast
                But Turkish ships also have anti-ship missiles, only they have a better guidance system, I don’t believe in the Chinese filling on our ships, and even on SU 35 almost all of the Chinese avionics
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 29 June 2020 12: 01 New
                  +2
                  Well, at the expense of the filling, it’s up to you))) The Black Sea Fleet is not only ships, but also aviation, coastal complexes and air defense. I am silent about nuclear weapons (it simply isn’t here wink ) so we don’t even remember. According to the videoconferencing, the situation is the same. The situation with Armenia is a little more complicated. but also not critical.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 1 July 2020 01: 07 New
          0
          You would look at the map geographically and understand that the Turks can rely on something only in such a bout as it is now. With any other option, the Turks will be left without a fleet. And although the Israelis kicked Egypt three times, the Turks are not Jews. They seriously fought unlike the Egyptians for the last time a hundred years ago. And by the way, last year they lacked 60 percent of the flight crew by the way.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 June 2020 08: 28 New
      11
      Logistics only interferes with this. Egypt is across the border, and Turkey is across the sea.
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 29 June 2020 08: 42 New
        -11
        Yes, there is such a thing, but the Turks will find delivery vehicles
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 29 June 2020 08: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: Samara_63
          but the Turks will find delivery vehicles

          Yeah, submarines. tongue wassat
          1. raki-uzo
            raki-uzo 29 June 2020 09: 29 New
            0
            Turkey this month again conducted military exercises several times over the Mediterranean Sea with a diameter of 1000 km. F16 aircraft took off from Dalaman with the task of escorting for airborne early warning and military transport aircraft with a refueling aircraft. Developed interactions between the Navy, Air Force and local groups in Libya. Plans for various possible scenarios are ready.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 29 June 2020 10: 29 New
              +2
              They can and can fly and hit. And to accompany the hostilities is unlikely at high altitude.
          2. Poetry
            Poetry 29 June 2020 09: 30 New
            +3
            On camels, after all! ..
        2. Samara_63
          Samara_63 29 June 2020 09: 05 New
          -2
          Turkey has a lot of sea transport, has its own helicopter carrier, the Navy is excellent, F-16 is in the air
        3. Grits
          Grits 29 June 2020 09: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Samara_63
          Yes, there is such a thing, but the Turks will find delivery vehicles

          actually, Egypt also has a fleet. And there are planes that impede the movement of this fleet.
          You don’t get across the sea. In the same situation as the Turks now, and our base in Khmeimim. In the event of a serious turmoil, our group will be trapped and without supplies. Also, the Turks can block oxygen. Although it’s easier for them - we need to go through the straits, and they have the whole sea ...
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 29 June 2020 09: 17 New
        -1
        In fact, it is not clear which is easier, 1000 km by sea or desert
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 29 June 2020 09: 30 New
          +3
          Very clear. By sea it’s easier.
          1. Grits
            Grits 29 June 2020 09: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            Very clear. By sea it’s easier.

            Judging by the numerous videos - they have made quality asphalt roads through deserts - better than our Russian ones. With the logistics of the Egyptians, of course, an order of magnitude better.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 29 June 2020 09: 58 New
              0
              Anyway, engine life, convoy of tankers, crew fatigue, possible breakdowns, air cover, etc. What roads are there - I don’t know. I don’t know how they can withstand the tanks.
              By sea will be the time spent on loading and unloading. But with developed port infrastructure, this is not critical. It is unlikely that the Turks will drown transports along the road.
        2. KURT330
          KURT330 29 June 2020 09: 53 New
          -4
          But I don’t understand, does Sisi Abramsa have two-humped or one-humped ones?
    3. brr1
      brr1 29 June 2020 09: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Samara_63
      Egypt is ridiculous in its threats, lost everything and long ago
      Turkey is useless to threaten, not an impressionable country

      That's right, the Turks do not need to be threatened, they need to be wetted.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 29 June 2020 09: 47 New
        -11
        Did you install a washcloth on the sofa or not?
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 29 June 2020 10: 35 New
          -1
          PRIMAT is one of those who suffer along Mount Agra, watching from the Iravan balcony the self-constructed building.
          1. brr1
            brr1 29 June 2020 12: 49 New
            -2
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            PRIMAT is one of those who suffer along Mount Agra, watching from the Iravan balcony the self-constructed building.

            For me, you can slam each other over there in the black garden and in the vicinity of all Ararats. The world will not get worse from this.
            1. KURT330
              KURT330 29 June 2020 13: 03 New
              -1
              Well, if you personally do not mind ... wink
        2. brr1
          brr1 29 June 2020 12: 46 New
          -1
          No, from the barbecue I’m drowning. With a cozy tappan. I throw the skewers in the pretzels.
    4. KURT330
      KURT330 29 June 2020 10: 01 New
      -3
      Of course it's ridiculous. They mostly hoped for the French. And in recent days, Macron has been so wet that he is losing the election, and the police rebelled, and the rallies in all cities have begun. Not to him, and not to Sisi. Moreover, NATO considered and humiliated his complaint about the Turkish ship. The answer was something like this: The Turks are not guilty of what is happening, you should not have been stuck!
    5. kriten
      kriten 29 June 2020 10: 22 New
      +1
      The terrorists should be destroyed by the sultan's henchmen along with the Turks. Russia needs to help the Arabs, especially since they hate the Turks. Turkey - was, is and will remain the patron of any Islamic terrorists whom it will feed and arm in order to gain leadership in the Islamic world, which will finally bite it.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 29 June 2020 10: 36 New
        -6
        We can repeat it! wink
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 June 2020 13: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: KURT330
          We can repeat it! wink

          Repeated will not burst? laughing
          1. KURT330
            KURT330 29 June 2020 14: 07 New
            -4
            Well, we are not subordinate to Utkin and Prigogine wink
            1. brr1
              brr1 29 June 2020 14: 45 New
              0
              Quote: KURT330
              Well, we are not subordinate to Utkin and Prigogine wink

              And who are you ??? I have some kind of direct cognitive dissonance.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 June 2020 08: 28 New
    +4
    One of the main reasons is that the southern part of Italy, in the event of a new Libyan escalation, may face another wave of refugees from this North African state.
    Italy understood what refugees from Libya are, and other European countries do not seem to understand. And how many Africans will be under the guise of refugees from Libya, no one knows this, but there will be no fewer than Libyans.
  3. Demagogue
    Demagogue 29 June 2020 09: 13 New
    +1
    Egypt in the Sinai cannot cope with the Islamists, where else could he go to Libya. And the red lines are drawn there every day. Algeria also shouted that Tripoli is a "line", and Haftar kept the city under siege for 15 months and did not blow his head. Haftar is not doing well if the p-17 is already being taken to the front line.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 29 June 2020 09: 50 New
      -6
      Saddam did not benefit from these P-17s, do you think Haftar will be helped? And what will they beat these R-17s? 70 years to them, on the same age as Haftar himself))
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 29 June 2020 10: 04 New
        +1
        So I write that they will not help. Haftar is lucky with hopelessness. And there, it is not Turks who need Sirte, but oil ports immediately behind it. There will be a battle for them. I would not be surprised if the Turks landed in Ras Lanuf.
  4. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 29 June 2020 09: 34 New
    -3
    I’ll never understand the Russian support for Haftar. US citizen and CIA open agent. The fact that the Russian government helps is understandable, the money does not smell.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 29 June 2020 09: 44 New
      +4
      To understand, you must be a Russian and not a troll.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 29 June 2020 13: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Fungus
        To understand, you must be a Russian and not a troll.


        This is a powerful argument, dear Fungus hi
        Maybe everything is much simpler?
        My personal opinion is geopolitics and economics and nothing personal. I have Erdogan respect because he is a person. He has his own opinion and does not bend unlike many figures of at least the same Europe and it is worth a lot !!!

        Quote: KURT330
        What is there to understand? It turns out that Russia is more afraid of Turkey than NATO itself))


        Well, at the expense of fear - it is said loudly, dear KURT330 hi , and that which fears - YES.
        Hence the answer to a higher interlocutor. Turkey is a member of NATO, Turkey is not our ally and will never be (it so happened), there are temporary, mutual interests in a certain historical sector and no more.
        Do we need a strengthening Turkey? Of course not. It is necessary to somehow restrain the growing appetites of the Sultan. Here in Syria he is like a bone in our throat and we cannot fight openly with him (the Bosphorus holds us for a causal place). A war on two fronts is a very expensive pleasure, as they say - "You are welcome!" There are losses, there are coffins, what else is needed to play a long game? laughing Let Egypt try, and we will see and probably even help ... and not just us. There are money bags on the BV and frankly, it pleases. Defend your interests with the wrong hands, what could be sweeter ?! wink
    2. KURT330
      KURT330 29 June 2020 09: 52 New
      -13
      What is there to understand? It turns out that Russia is more afraid of Turkey than NATO itself))
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 29 June 2020 09: 59 New
        +3
        Therefore, have you been on the head all your life from Russia? No one is afraid of you. Mercenaries guard the oil industry there.
        1. KURT330
          KURT330 29 June 2020 10: 04 New
          -8
          Well, let's see, see wink laughing
    3. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 29 June 2020 10: 39 New
      +1
      The result of this support may be the rapprochement of the positions of France and Russia (the Entente began with this), but do we need the consequences of this rapprochement?! ...
  5. rattle.
    rattle. 29 June 2020 10: 32 New
    0
    the campaign here has already begun a war of divan troops.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 June 2020 18: 13 New
      0
      Quote: potreot.
      the campaign here has already begun a war of divan troops.

      She goes here constantly, and for any reason laughing
  6. Gorecc
    Gorecc 29 June 2020 11: 41 New
    +3
    while PNS chatting more than doing. After the LNA stopped its drapes and rebuffed them near Sirte, and after the activation of France and the threats of Egypt, the victorious march of the PNS and the Turks stopped .. along the way, Sirte and the oil fields around them did not shine, and happiness was so close)
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 13: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Samara_63
    No, on the Black Sea, our with Turkey is weak ... More precisely, we don’t have a fleet there, and those corvettes that aren’t pulling, God forbid, keep the coast
    But Turkish ships also have anti-ship missiles, only they have a better guidance system, I don’t believe in the Chinese filling on our ships, and even on SU 35 almost all of the Chinese avionics

    Yours may be weak.
  8. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 13: 43 New
    0
    Quote: KURT330
    What is there to understand? It turns out that Russia is more afraid of Turkey than NATO itself))

    You are very inspired by the Turks)))
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 June 2020 13: 54 New
      -1
      The Turks believe in themselves, in their country, and in their army such that they are always enthusiastic. They need additional doping.
  9. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 13: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Samara_63
    Egypt is ridiculous in its threats, lost everything and long ago
    Turkey is useless to threaten, not an impressionable country

    Many people whom the Turks crossed the road may be ridiculous individually. But there are already a lot of them (both in the camp of co-religionists and in the coalition as well) where the Sultan does not set foot, so all the time in r ... about.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 29 June 2020 14: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      Many people whom the Turks crossed the road may be ridiculous individually. But there are already a lot of them (both in the camp of co-religionists and in the coalition as well) where the Sultan does not set foot, so all the time in r ... about.

      Yes, he (Eric) managed to make a lot of opponents for himself and for a rather short period of time.
      I think the final word for the hegemon? hi States have not yet decided on whose card to put. hi
  10. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 14: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    The Turks believe in themselves, in their country, and in their army such that they are always enthusiastic. They need additional doping.

    I'm afraid this will not help them much.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 June 2020 14: 30 New
      0
      It has been helping them for 1000 years, and now it will help them. Sunrise and sunset also exist, like everyone else, but their inflexibility cannot be taken away. You will see, it will not take long, 1-2 years, many will reckon with them, of those , who today are obvious opponents, primarily from NATO "allies" and from the countries of the Middle East and Africa.
    2. KURT330
      KURT330 29 June 2020 17: 36 New
      +4
      We have this proverb: Hamur çok su aparır. that is, "The dough will still need a lot of water."
      So, let's not drench each other with mud. We have time to both laugh and be upset.
      Your citizens come to us without any fear, with families and children. We do not wish you anything bad. But don't underestimate us. Here, almost all polls are ulcerating and mocking at Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Of course, there are adequate people whom I respect, I won’t call, because they don’t even suspect about it. About @ yelling everything around does not honor a man. Enmity also needs to be masculine. We do not decide either politics or battles here. We just comment and analyze. Why go below the skirting board, to whom does this honor? They will joke and dig in, the answer personally from me will not take long. So let's within the framework of what is permitted and in fact ..
      PS Cons do not upset me, so that the officers are bolder than the Lord and the officers who mow under the Lord))
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 29 June 2020 18: 18 New
        +1
        Where can "gentlemen officers" come from here? Glory be to Allah, there were no such people in the Soviet army, and in the Russian army they weren’t so far - all comrades laughing
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 14: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Arberes
    Quote: Tagan
    Many people whom the Turks crossed the road may be ridiculous individually. But there are already a lot of them (both in the camp of co-religionists and in the coalition as well) where the Sultan does not set foot, so all the time in r ... about.

    Yes, he (Eric) managed to make a lot of opponents for himself and for a rather short period of time.
    I think the final word for the hegemon? hi States have not yet decided on whose card to put. hi

    So the hegemon is not the same. Who knows them now. :)
    They have the problems themselves above the roof.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 14: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    It has been helping them for 1000 years, and now it will help them. Sunrise and sunset also exist, like everyone else, but their inflexibility cannot be taken away. You will see, it will not take long, 1-2 years, many will reckon with them, of those , who today are obvious opponents, primarily from NATO "allies" and from the countries of the Middle East and Africa.

    This is not inflexibility - stubbornness. Russia has repeatedly treated this disease with partners.
  13. no one
    no one 29 June 2020 15: 31 New
    0
    They waited for al-vatia too, and then they took it in a swift way in 2 days. Preparing for the assault. And finally there is nothing to do with sissy. And Siirt was not kept. They continued to drape. And when the local Siirt militia fought back. As for logistics, there is one road along the coast from Egypt, and easily shoots from the sea
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 June 2020 15: 51 New
      0
      According to information, Egypt stepped back, even from the base where Sisi entered, a lot of equipment was taken deep into Egypt. Sisi had one verbal fuse, shot, they did not pay tribute to this act, and he understood.
  14. KURT330
    KURT330 29 June 2020 17: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Tagan
    Quote: KURT330
    What is there to understand? It turns out that Russia is more afraid of Turkey than NATO itself))

    You are very inspired by the Turks)))

    I think that I inspired you. After all, we are not for Georgia after all)) wink
  15. KURT330
    KURT330 29 June 2020 17: 48 New
    -1
    Quote: neden
    They waited for al-vatia too, and then they took it in a swift way in 2 days. Preparing for the assault. And finally there is nothing to do with sissy. And Siirt was not kept. They continued to drape. And when the local Siirt militia fought back. As for logistics, there is one road along the coast from Egypt, and easily shoots from the sea

    Preparation goes on both sides. Regarding the Sirte militia, I do not agree to put it mildly. Sirte is a city with 50 inhabitants. Most of the residents left the city and the militias such as in Syria, the Libyans do not. There, all parties specifically indicated their commitment as in Sicily. A boy was born in the family, after 000 years he has only 20 ways, either to the police or to the mafia. This is a completely different mentality, although both are Arabs. Middle Eastern Arabs are more militant than African. Neither the Egyptians nor the Wagnerites will help Haftar. People are just really sorry. Framed them in Syria, and substituted here.
    By the way, nobody beat Vatia. The PNS themselves departed to let the civilians go out, for which they paid. Now the meat grinder will be tougher.
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 18: 38 New
    0
    Quote: KURT330
    Quote: Tagan
    Quote: KURT330
    What is there to understand? It turns out that Russia is more afraid of Turkey than NATO itself))

    You are very inspired by the Turks)))

    I think that I inspired you. After all, we are not for Georgia after all)) wink

    Georgia knows. And Turkey is a situational partner (and only partially). We have no illusions.
  17. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 18: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: KURT330
    We have this proverb: Hamur çok su aparır. that is, "The dough will still need a lot of water."
    So, let's not drench each other with mud. We have time to both laugh and be upset.
    Your citizens come to us without any fear, with families and children. We do not wish you anything bad. But don't underestimate us. Here, almost all polls are ulcerating and mocking at Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Of course, there are adequate people whom I respect, I won’t call, because they don’t even suspect about it. About @ yelling everything around does not honor a man. Enmity also needs to be masculine. We do not decide either politics or battles here. We just comment and analyze. Why go below the skirting board, to whom does this honor? They will joke and dig in, the answer personally from me will not take long. So let's within the framework of what is permitted and in fact ..
    PS Cons do not upset me, so that the officers are bolder than the Lord and the officers who mow under the Lord))

    About mowing be careful. And then some are so accustomed to the role that they challenge to a duel (virtually))))