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Israel’s response to Egypt’s readiness to begin assembling Russian T-90MS tanks

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The readiness of an Egyptian defense industry enterprise to begin assembly is reported tanks T-90MS from kits supplied from Russia under the contract. This is a contract, on the basis of which the Egyptian army intends to receive about 500 T-90MS tanks in the next few years.


It is noteworthy that the assembly of Russian T-90MS tanks in Egypt will be carried out at the same factory where the assembly of American Abrams tanks was previously carried out. At the moment, the capacity of the Egyptian plant is such that every year the company will be able to collect 50-60 T-90MS tanks, however, it is planned that production capacities can be increased.

The news that Egypt was preparing to start the assembly cycle of Russian tanks was reacted in Israel. So, material has been released on the Israel Defense resource today, the author of which states literally the following:

Sources from the Israeli Ministry of Defense claim that if this is a real deal, then this is a very alarming step in the aspect of Israeli interests.

T-90MS is a tank, the mass of which, together with the ammunition load, is 48 tons. Power density - 23 hp per ton. The maximum speed is 70 km / h. The height of the combat vehicle is 2228 mm. The range of target recognition in daytime conditions is up to 5 km. The caliber of the gun is 125 mm. The tank has a high degree of automation, is equipped with a laser guidance system for the target, a laser rangefinder, thermal imaging complex, dynamic protection "Relic".
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 June 2020 18: 30 New
    +5
    A good modification, which we ourselves unfortunately do not have in the troops. But what about the Abrams? What did they not do with the Egyptians?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 June 2020 18: 34 New
      44
      Quote: Magic Archer
      What did they not do with the Egyptians?

      When the Muslim Brotherhood was dropped in Egypt, Washington turned off the tap.
      After which the Egyptians seriously thought ...
      1. seti
        seti 28 June 2020 18: 41 New
        44
        Quote: Magic Archer
        But what about the Abrams? What did they not do with the Egyptians?

        The same than the Iraqis did not suit at one time. Dear, they eat a lot, capricious, difficult to manage, a problem with spare parts, and most importantly Arabs are traditionally used to Soviet technology. Accordingly, Russian is much closer to them. Moreover, it has proven its effectiveness.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 June 2020 18: 47 New
          19
          Quote: seti
          The same than the Iraqis did not suit at one time.

          The Egyptians received them as part of military assistance.
          And for a free tank "Abrams" is simply incredibly cool
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 25 New
            24
            But even a free tank, if it has a mass of 70 tons, gets stuck in the sand.
            Why did the Indians at one time choose the T-90, and not the Abrams. hi
            And by the way, why are our partners in Israel worried?
            T-90 more Abrams respected? bully
            1. Real Vugluskr
              Real Vugluskr 29 June 2020 18: 42 New
              +1
              Any change in the balance of power in the Middle East and the Maghreb is fraught with claims to hegemony.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 28 June 2020 19: 09 New
          +6
          rather a very expensive service overall. Iraqis themselves simply cannot serve them even at the minimum level. only through certain structures. which means in a country in which wars and conflicts are going on complete insanity
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 28 June 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            So I’m thinking of buying a Passat B7 or, well, its ....
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 28 June 2020 19: 20 New
              +6
              I’ve been to the Japanese all my life, so the Germans are a dark forest for me)
              1. smart ass
                smart ass 28 June 2020 19: 21 New
                -2
                I am also in the Japanese, but the thought crept in to try something new)))
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 28 June 2020 19: 23 New
                  -1
                  personally I’m not in life) not mine) I touched with friends. I did not like.
                  1. Semen Semyonitch
                    Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2020 21: 29 New
                    +4
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    touched friends. I did not like.

                    No need to touch, especially with friends. Drive an Audi RS6, better at the wheel. Dynamics Nissan GT-R, comfort like a business class.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 29 June 2020 02: 25 New
                      +3
                      touched it figuratively) and I'm unfortunately not a fan of 5 points on the asphalt to rub) I like that higher
                    2. PROXOR
                      PROXOR 29 June 2020 10: 38 New
                      +2
                      In the family is the old Mazda MPV 2000. and Tiguan 2010. The second has already eaten the whole brain with regular problems. Mazda with an engine Ford runs for health. With mileage under 400k. Only now the box began to slip. But soon I’ll shake it myself. There are spare parts for 20k rubles. Tiguan will not forgive this.
                      FakinVagen is good only for those who always have extra loot in their pocket. Ride so much, but according to the service staff this is PPC.
                2. Berber
                  Berber 29 June 2020 09: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Clever man
                  I am also in the Japanese, but the thought crept in to try something new)))

                  Don't experiment - you will regret it. The Germans became "disposable". The quality has dropped greatly.
                  1. don-1500
                    don-1500 29 June 2020 21: 51 New
                    +3
                    Perhaps they really became "disposable" I don't know, I have no money for the new Germans. But I drive a three-ruble note - E46 (mechanics), I'm very happy, no problem. 17 years ago BMW made good cars.
              2. Grits
                Grits 29 June 2020 04: 46 New
                0
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I’ve been in Japanese all my life, so the Germans are a dark forest for me

                All DV has long been in the Japanese. Germans are not quoted
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 29 June 2020 05: 52 New
                  0
                  Well, let's say so quoted but much less. otherwise the dealer VW would not open.
              3. Volga073
                Volga073 29 June 2020 07: 12 New
                -2
                The Germans are expensive equipment, but not in terms of quality, but service. It breaks constantly. And expensive repair parts.
            2. Runoway
              Runoway 28 June 2020 23: 19 New
              +3
              In no case do not buy, especially with dsg. A quick step past this machine
              1. iRoccka
                iRoccka 29 June 2020 02: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Runoway
                In no case do not buy, especially with dsg. A quick step past this machine


                this is why you gave such advice? did your DSG gearbox break in your car? or did a neighbor tell you that he was reading a story from a guy whose garage neighbor knows a story about a broken DSG?
                1. Runoway
                  Runoway 29 June 2020 05: 59 New
                  +3
                  Twice, every 60t.km and besides a lot of things, as a result, this is a miracle of technology at the age of 5 with an ideal body sold for six months and hardly went for 600t
                  1. smart ass
                    smart ass 29 June 2020 07: 52 New
                    -1
                    Was that a trade wind? And if you take a jet on the mechanics?
                    1. Runoway
                      Runoway 29 June 2020 08: 54 New
                      -1
                      It was also the fifth, weakest one, 5 1.6 horses of everything. In general, VW is unreasonably expensive to maintain. For example, to serve the same polo at the same price as a Japanese crossover, it's not worth it
                      1. smart ass
                        smart ass 29 June 2020 10: 06 New
                        0
                        I don’t know what to buy then (((
                      2. PROXOR
                        PROXOR 29 June 2020 10: 40 New
                        +1
                        And now all the cars are like that. Even Yotota became one. Mazda was the last one to be assembled in Japan, except for the CX-9, it is assembled here in the Far East.
                      3. Victor67
                        Victor67 29 June 2020 23: 40 New
                        0
                        In the sense of the latter? I have Pradik, diesel 2.8, assembly Japan, 34t.k. mileage, 120 horseradish grader as on the Moscow Ring Road, silence in the cabin, not a single breakdown, not even a single light bulb burned out, there are all diode ones))
                  2. Maximilian37
                    Maximilian37 30 June 2020 11: 15 New
                    0
                    and you still continue to "eat cactus"?)))
              2. iRoccka
                iRoccka 1 July 2020 01: 02 New
                0
                just out of luck
          2. fraders
            fraders 29 June 2020 08: 51 New
            +1
            DSG they are different, if DKYU200, with a dry clutch - this is one thing, if 250 with a wet one - then another, the Germans are a different philosophy of the car, you have to try it, it tastes and color ... as they say :)
        3. KCA
          KCA 29 June 2020 02: 34 New
          +1
          Better B4 and not know the problems at all
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 29 June 2020 10: 42 New
            0
            He is old. Strong yes. but with quality parts is a disaster. People from a good life do not put steering racks from the Amulet. The platform is the same. Passion B3-B4, Seat Toledo, Cherie Amulet.
            1. KCA
              KCA 29 June 2020 11: 01 New
              0
              In VAG, the most rotten link is Seat, it’s much better for Skoda to buy any health and nerves than Seat, and what are the problems with B4 spare parts? Skoda Octavia is still afloat, Bora, A4-A6, it's all an old B4 platform, well, body contours are different, but the pieces of iron in it are the same
              1. PROXOR
                PROXOR 29 June 2020 11: 17 New
                +1
                With quality parts. Those. only Chinese remained. You will find the original horseradish.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 29 June 2020 13: 32 New
            +1
            we have 4 is a Subaru)))
        4. Zoomlion
          Zoomlion 29 June 2020 07: 49 New
          0
          Better B8, now they can be driven inexpensively. Relatively. Very much better than the new Vesta in a complete set
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 29 June 2020 10: 42 New
            +1
            The fact that it is better to keep it is for sure, given that it is a B-class, and Passat is an E-class.
        5. PROXOR
          PROXOR 29 June 2020 10: 33 New
          0
          DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! Moody AVNO!
          1. Zoomlion
            Zoomlion 29 June 2020 12: 47 New
            -1
            Four familiar acquaintances already have 16-18 years old freshly recognized. No problem. Very satisfied
        6. Berber
          Berber 9 July 2020 09: 21 New
          0
          Already wrote - do not experiment. If the DSJ is a box, then the resource is 70 thousand. And in general, the parts are expensive. I already went through this. On the secondary, WAG sells poorly, so they lose quickly in price.
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 28 June 2020 20: 57 New
      -8
      A link about the "capriciousness of the Abrams" and "difficult to manage" do not share?
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 28 June 2020 21: 23 New
        +9
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        A link about the "capriciousness of the Abrams" and "difficult to manage" do not share?

        Here is an article on this year.
        A brief summary of the article:
        Abrams is beaten by outdated weapons, eats a lot of fuel, often fails (especially often the fire control system and tower hydraulics), an uncomfortable driver's seat
        https://topwar.ru/166944-chem-boleet-abrams-osnovnye-nedostatki-glavnogo-tanka-armii-ssha.html
        In general, Google to help
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 28 June 2020 21: 34 New
          -8
          https://topwar.ru/166944-chem-boleet-abrams-osnovnye-nedostatki-glavnogo-tanka-armii-ssha.html

          Yeah, read it. The author does not quite understand what he is writing about.
          An article is an ordinary template with stamps.

          In general, Google to help

          The most popular excuse ...
          Like, if I say that the Earth is flat, then I can also send for proofs in Google?
      2. +5
        +5 29 June 2020 09: 57 New
        +4
        Look at the experience of the Iraqis .... they bought back about 7 years ago for 150 M1A1 unfinished and about the same number of ancient wretched export, or even Eastern European, T-72s ... today Abrams are not used, they are crushed and broken, T-72 are used . I did not see reviews from Iraqis that in terms of combat effectiveness M1A1 surpass T-72M ...
    3. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 29 June 2020 16: 16 New
      0
      [quoteа The main thing Arabs are traditionally accustomed to Soviet technology. ] [/ quote]
      - and most importantly, Arabs are traditionally accustomed to abrams.
      You fire a side / rear projection of a tower from 12 mm DShK - and voila.
      8-))
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 28 June 2020 20: 37 New
    +8
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: Magic Archer
    What did they not do with the Egyptians?

    When the Muslim Brotherhood was dropped in Egypt, Washington turned off the tap.
    After which the Egyptians seriously thought ...

    That's right. If you look at Egypt’s arms purchases with the advent of Sisi, then practically no American arms are bought.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 27 New
      13
      Obama was very fond of the Muslim Brotherhood. It didn't help them in the end. laughing
  3. zenion
    zenion 29 June 2020 13: 16 New
    0
    Could not even write the truth here! Not 500 tanks, but 500 + 1 tank.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 June 2020 18: 49 New
    0
    The main question is the quality of the assembly of tanks, and the observance of the secrecy regime for certain components and devices of the tank, as well as the lack of technology!
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 28 June 2020 19: 05 New
      -9
      Quote: Thrifty
      technology leakage!

      What is there to leak?)) AZ or a cannon from the 70s?)) To the engine?) 47 years old, how does this tank stand in service)) the most modern thing there would fly is French electronics))
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  • Civil
    Civil 28 June 2020 18: 50 New
    +5
    Here t-90ms is better in their case. And especially for the cost of operation.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 28 June 2020 19: 05 New
    23
    we have our own modification went t 90 m. specifically 27 separate already sit on them
    1. Grits
      Grits 29 June 2020 04: 49 New
      0
      Quote: carstorm 11
      we have our own modification went t 90 m.

      Maybe one of the tankers will enlighten - what are the differences between the T-90MS and the T-90M?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 29 June 2020 05: 50 New
        +4
        start with the gun. on export stands 2A45M on our 2A46M or if you decide 2A82 and so on for a number of mechanisms and devices. export modification is always at least a little bit worse.
  • Hey
    Hey 28 June 2020 19: 31 New
    12
    What did they not do with the Egyptians?

    "Abrams" were transferred to Egypt practically for nothing. But repairs and spare parts cost so much money that it is easier to buy a new tank.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 June 2020 19: 45 New
    16
    Abrams: hard, expensive in both manufacturing and maintenance. Want to ruin a country, get Abrams for free.
  • figwam
    figwam 28 June 2020 19: 57 New
    11
    Quote: Magic Archer
    A good modification, which we ourselves unfortunately do not have in the troops.

    Why do we need an export version with underestimated characteristics if the T-90M Breakthrough is already arriving in the troops ?!
  • Phantom 104
    Phantom 104 28 June 2020 19: 57 New
    +3
    T-90MS is a simplified T-90M (Breakthrough-3)
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 28 June 2020 20: 53 New
    +6
    Our troops are T-90M
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 June 2020 23: 32 New
    +8
    But what about the Abrams? What did they not do with the Egyptians?


    Abrams are good as an anti-tank weapon, and to support infantry it is better to have a tank that can shoot OFS shells. T-90MS is suitable for this and costs 5 times cheaper than Abrams.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 29 June 2020 09: 26 New
    +1
    But will the t-90m be worse?
  • kris_67
    kris_67 30 June 2020 16: 46 New
    0
    "Egypt to start assembling" - let them start first! This is talk about nothing.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 28 June 2020 18: 32 New
    14
    All questions to the Main Ally ...
    While Washington did not try to return terrorists to power in Egypt through sanctions, the country's authorities were not puzzled by the decrease in dependence on the United States in the BT sector.
  • Samara_63
    Samara_63 28 June 2020 18: 34 New
    -41
    Well, the IDF has a SPIKE the best rocket in the world, no big deal, all tanks will be burned
    1. demo
      demo 28 June 2020 18: 40 New
      23
      They didn’t boast about walking on the army, but boasted with the rati turning.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 28 June 2020 19: 54 New
        -13
        Quote: demo
        They didn’t boast about walking on the army, but boasted with the rati turning.

        well, as it were, three times "turned around" already and Egypt. even smashed there, t55, t62 and some more small things.
        1. demo
          demo 28 June 2020 19: 56 New
          18
          Remember the joke of the bull and the bullfighter?
          The last phrase of the waiter - once at a time is not necessary. That bull bullfighter, and today the bull bullfighter. hi
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 28 June 2020 19: 56 New
            -5
            Quote: demo
            Remember the joke of the bull and the bullfighter?
            The last phrase of the waiter - once at a time is not necessary. That bull bullfighter, and today the bull bullfighter.

            we all walk under the sun.
            1. demo
              demo 28 June 2020 19: 58 New
              +6
              Yes, and I about it!
    2. Graz
      Graz 28 June 2020 18: 40 New
      11
      well, so we can sell TOSs to smoke rocket launchers, a volume explosion and baked carcasses with spit out lungs are provided
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 28 June 2020 18: 43 New
        -26
        If Pinocchio, then it has a small range, its UAV of Israel will easily destroy, Israel will have better UAVs than Turkish
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 June 2020 18: 48 New
          11
          And think about it?
          The Israelis are not afraid of tanks ...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 June 2020 20: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            And think about it?
            The Israelis are not afraid of tanks ...

            Yes, we and Egypt today are not very afraid. The main opponents of Egypt today are Ethiopia and Turkey.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 31 New
              +3
              Please explain, is Israel Defense infa a topic or a fake? hi
              The main opponents of Egypt today are Ethiopia and Turkey.

              So it is so. Ethiopians take water, but it seems they somehow agreed with them on the timing of filling the reservoir.
              And with the Turks they have a clinch - Erdogan really likes the Muslim Brotherhood.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 28 June 2020 21: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Alex777
                Please explain, is Israel Defense infa a topic or a fake? hi

                This is a very serious blog. But there, as elsewhere, different authors are printed and they have different opinions.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 37 New
                  +1
                  If I correctly understood your politically correct answer - do you still think that a fake? wink
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 28 June 2020 21: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Alex777
                    If I correctly understood your politically correct answer - do you still think that a fake? wink

                    In terms of fake? The author, on the one hand, is not 100% sure that this agreement will be implemented. And on the other hand, of course, the supply to the arsenal of a mass of modern tanks in the not very stable country that borders us will force us to spend additional money on the purchase of weapons.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 49 New
                      +1
                      I have not read the source text, so I’m interested in you. smile
                      That the contract will be executed is very likely. There are problems in Libya.
                      My IMHO - precisely because of this, Egypt is increasing military power.
                      When I asked about fake, did I mean if there is real concern or is talk of it exaggerated? hi
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 28 June 2020 22: 07 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Alex777

                        When I asked about fake, did I mean if there is real concern or is talk of it exaggerated? hi

                        Officially, of course, no one said anything, but if the army will not be worried, then the entire General Staff should be dispersed.
                      2. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 29 June 2020 00: 02 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        if the army does not worry, then the entire General Staff must be dispersed.

                        Well, the General Staff should be "screwed up" from time to time in order not to think of preparing for the past wars. And what about worrying - you have caring neighbors there in an obscene amount that they help to maintain tone. laughing
                    2. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 28 June 2020 22: 37 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Alex777
                      I didn’t read the source text,

                      I asked the source text. This is referred to by Israel Defense. There is not a single word about the Israeli Defense Ministry, nor about alarming steps, nor about aspects of Israeli interests.

                      Link to the original:
                      https://defence-blog.com/news/army/egypt-reportedly-signed-contract-for-500-t-90ms-main-battle-tanks.html
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 28 June 2020 19: 11 New
        -10
        Do not care Israel for ground equipment. He who controls the air wins. Israel will not allow Egypt to even transport these tanks to the Sinai.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 June 2020 19: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Grazdanin
          He who controls the air wins.

          It seems that American aircraft are considered quite combat-ready ....
          You think not?
      3. KCA
        KCA 29 June 2020 02: 47 New
        +1
        Well, of course, in the Russian Federation in the engineering troops, some stupid people serve, they saw a flock of Turkish unmanned vehicles, which means they need to drive the Buratinoks there, they don't know about the Thor and the Pantsir and other air defense systems, yesterday they only showed it on Zvezda new guide pipes for TOS, however, only showed, the characteristics were kept silent, but they said that the range had increased significantly, perhaps it was 6 km, it became 9, 3 km for a UAV, this is a lot, you need to be able to fly
      4. Grits
        Grits 29 June 2020 04: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Samara_63
        If Pinocchio, then it has a small range, its UAV Israel will easily destroy

        Knowing that drone drones (especially "the best in the world") are circling over you, it would be the height of stupidity and recklessness of the command to move forward on "Buratino" without the cover of the military air defense. Or do you think that only the Jewish military are so smart, and the rest are rams?
    3. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 28 June 2020 20: 55 New
      -9
      TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" has a maximum firing range of 6000 meters (with new missiles). The infantry Spike-LR has a range of 5500 meters. The mobile (jeep) Spike-ER has a range of up to 8000 meters. Taking into account that the TOS-1A is a hefty machine designed for shooting at stationary area targets, and the Spike is designed for accurate shooting at moving targets, I would not be so sure of the superiority of the Russian heavy flamethrower over the light Israeli ATGM.
      1. poquello
        poquello 28 June 2020 21: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        Given the fact that the TOS-1A is a hefty machine designed for shooting at fixed area targets, and Spike is designed for accurate shooting at moving targets, I would not be so sure of the superiority of the Russian heavy flamethrower over the light Israeli ATGM.

        the sun also doesn’t really need to aim), but I’m not talking about that - the spike has not yet recommended itself as a T90 killer, otherwise it will be like tovs, some kind of figulin and the whole rocket)
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 28 June 2020 21: 54 New
          -7
          "Spike" fully established itself as the killer of the T-72, which confidently hit the roof of the tower. In April 2016, when the Armenians and Azerbaijanis once again fought in Karabakh. I don't think that the T-90 from the upper hemisphere is much better protected than the T-72.
          1. poquello
            poquello 28 June 2020 21: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            "Spike" fully established itself as the killer of the T-72, which confidently hit the roof of the tower. In April 2016, when the Armenians and Azerbaijanis once again fought in Karabakh. I don't think that the T-90 from the upper hemisphere is much better protected than the T-72.

            ) t72 with haer or without haer?
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 28 June 2020 22: 11 New
              -4
              And what is "haer" in this case?
              1. poquello
                poquello 28 June 2020 22: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: ZeevZeev
                And what is "haer" in this case?

                scallop from a packet of vertical sheets of iron, it hits from above
                1. Zeev zeev
                  Zeev zeev 29 June 2020 05: 58 New
                  -3
                  And how can this "haer" protect against a tandem shaped-charge warhead?
                  1. helilelik
                    helilelik 29 June 2020 11: 41 New
                    0
                    And doesn’t he hit with a shock core?
                    1. Zeev zeev
                      Zeev zeev 1 July 2020 20: 07 New
                      0
                      Not. Tandem, as far as I know.
      2. loki565
        loki565 28 June 2020 22: 03 New
        +3
        Enough to carry nonsense, no one will shoot according to a separate calculation of the ATGM with weapons that hit the areas. Solcepek / Pinocchio line the fortified area, base, roadblock, etc. And against the calculation of anti-tank systems now the most effective is aviation / UAV, or another calculation of anti-tank systems. Here is the wearable Cornet 5000m on a machine 10000m, Everything will depend on who is the first to find the enemy
      3. Grits
        Grits 29 June 2020 05: 05 New
        0
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        Given the fact that the TOS-1A is a hefty machine designed for shooting at fixed area targets, and Spike is designed for accurate shooting at moving targets, I would not be so sure of the superiority of the Russian heavy flamethrower over the light Israeli ATGM.

        Given the terrain and the number of buildings, Pinocchio is much more likely to cover the area where Spike is supposed to be with solid fire than Spike to find Buratinushka.
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 29 June 2020 08: 39 New
          -1
          Did you mean "much less"? Finding a hefty tank is, in principle, easier than calculating an ATGM.
          1. Grits
            Grits 29 June 2020 09: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            Did you mean "much less"? Finding a hefty tank is, in principle, easier than calculating an ATGM.

            Why look for him? You just need to know the approximate location on the square in several football fields. It would be enough.
            A joke in Israel about the musketeer and Ilya Muromets know?
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 1 July 2020 20: 10 New
              0
              That is, for one calculation will you spend a package of a heavy flamethrower? And if there will be two calculations? Three? Even the approximate location is not known. Neither in range nor in azimuth.
      4. chingachguc
        chingachguc 1 July 2020 08: 47 New
        0
        compared horseradish with a finger. CBT will always hammer from closed positions, and then quickly and quickly wound off. As has always been since the Great Patriotic War
  • Charik
    Charik 28 June 2020 21: 07 New
    -6
    Is Petrosyan a student?
  • Grits
    Grits 29 June 2020 04: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Samara_63
    Well, the IDF has a SPIKE the best rocket in the world

    And Israel also has the best Western Wall in the world. Although it is not known why it is better than the Great Chinese? Apparently, this is also the case with the best rocket in the world.
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 29 June 2020 08: 45 New
      +1
      There is no Wailing Wall in Hebrew. There is a "Kotel a-Maaravi" (Western Wall). And judging by the keen desire of a billion (or more?) Muslims, which many Muslim leaders declare, to capture Jerusalem, it is still better and more important than the Chinese Wall.
  • KCA
    KCA 29 June 2020 11: 32 New
    -1
    At least Spike in the open field, even Javelin is a mass grave, well, a very long preparation for a shot, in the city, from the roof there, yes, it makes sense if the BMPT did not level the roof of the house with the first floors, or the OFS 125mm did not arrive
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 June 2020 18: 49 New
    +9
    But what did Israel suddenly dislike? They have peace-friendship-chewing gum with Egypt ... They should be glad that a friend is getting stronger, and 500 of these tanks are real strength.
    1. igor67
      igor67 28 June 2020 18: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But what did Israel suddenly dislike? They have peace-friendship-chewing gum with Egypt ... They should be glad that a friend is getting stronger, and 500 of these tanks are real strength.

      some blogger didn’t like it, in fact, under an agreement between the countries, Egypt cannot transfer tanks to the Sinai, only under an agreement with Israel, as it was not long ago, when tanks were transferred to the Sinai to fight Muslim brothers
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 28 June 2020 19: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: igor67

        some blogger didn’t like it, in fact, under an agreement between the countries, Egypt cannot transfer tanks to the Sinai, only

        And how long will it take to transfer tanks to the Sinai? There are distances ... If there is something to transfer, there is a way ... But why? Tanks alone do not solve anything. They need much more, and infantry, and artillery and aviation. And most importantly, the goal. Does Egypt have a goal to destroy Israel? Iran has ...
        1. igor67
          igor67 28 June 2020 19: 04 New
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: igor67

          some blogger didn’t like it, in fact, under an agreement between the countries, Egypt cannot transfer tanks to the Sinai, only

          And how long will it take to transfer tanks to the Sinai? There are distances ... If there is something to transfer, there is a way ... But why? Tanks alone do not solve anything. They need much more, and infantry, and artillery and aviation. And most importantly, the goal. Does Egypt have a goal to destroy Israel? Iran has ...

          in principle, I’m talking about the same thing, Egypt suffers from internal contradictions with problemsmm Ethiopia Libya, Before the victory of the Muslim brothers, tens of thousands of Israelis rested in Sinai, visa-free,
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 June 2020 19: 08 New
          11
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Does Egypt have a goal to destroy Israel?

          "In military affairs, not intentions are important, but potential" (c)
          And the less Egypt is dependent on the US defense industry, the higher this potential
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 28 June 2020 21: 00 New
            -4
            So the dependence of the Egyptian military-industrial complex did not disappear, it just changed the vector.
        3. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 28 June 2020 19: 20 New
          -6
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Does Egypt have a goal to destroy Israel?

          All Arab countries have this goal, who speaks openly, who means. At least read the history of that region.
          1. bobba94
            bobba94 28 June 2020 21: 57 New
            +3
            If we take the number of Arabs killed in clashes and wars among themselves and compare with the number of Arabs killed in wars with Israel, then after reading a comment like "All Arab countries ........", the thought arises - have you read commentator history of the region
        4. maiman61
          maiman61 28 June 2020 20: 11 New
          +8
          Tanks, decoys, toss! The main thing is the morale of the soldiers! But the Arabs have to deal with this! I am not a fan of Israel, but their soldiers are motivated and morale high!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 June 2020 20: 39 New
            -5
            Quote: maiman61
            Tanks, decoys, toss! The main thing is the morale of the soldiers! But the Arabs have to deal with this! I am not a fan of Israel, but their soldiers are motivated and morale high!

            The highest morale in WWII was among the Japanese - they practically did not give up, fought to the end, officially practiced kamikaze, but this did not help them either against Amers on the islands or against the Red Army
            1. poquello
              poquello 28 June 2020 21: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              The highest morale in WWII was among the Japanese - they practically did not give up, fought to the end, officially practiced kamikaze, but this did not help them either against Amers on the islands or against the Red Army

              the fact that they "kamikaze" practiced is not a reason, read Japanese memoirs about kamikaze, and Japan flooded to the United States after sniffing the battles with our Mongols.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 28 June 2020 22: 54 New
                0
                Was reading. Before ours, Japan fought in China. Yes, and rushed to Amers, not finishing off China
                1. poquello
                  poquello 28 June 2020 22: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Was reading. Before ours, Japan fought in China. Yes, and rushed to Amers, not finishing off China

                  and from China they benefit zilch, Hitler demanded everything to attack the USSR, but they decided that it would be easier for them to fight for resources with the USA
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 June 2020 23: 07 New
                    0
                    I read the following:
                    There were two factions that found supporters in the government, general staff and navy. One demanded the Soviet Far East, the other considered it appropriate to fight for Southeast Asia. Supporters of the second faction, in particular, blocked the sending of additional aviation forces to the Halkin Goal, considering it pointless to lose pilots in a fight for Mongolia. About the Soviet Far East in 1941 they said the following - we will wait when Russia, like a ripe fruit, falls into our hands after defeat from the Germans. It was believed that it would be easier for them to receive resources from Southeast Asia.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 28 June 2020 23: 12 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      About the Soviet Far East in 1941 they said the following - we will wait until Russia, like a ripe fruit, falls into our hands after a defeat from the Germans. It was believed that it would be easier for them to receive resources from Southeast Asia.

                      everything is correct, did not wait
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 June 2020 23: 16 New
                        -1
                        In addition, the land forces of the Yaps looked pale compared to the Red Army, for the war on the islands - the very thing against the Soviet armored armada on the mainland - nothing. This they understood under Khalkin Gol.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 28 June 2020 23: 25 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        for war on the islands

                        our Kuril Islands took 2 weeks
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 June 2020 23: 28 New
                        +2
                        My grandfather fought in Sakhalin. About the Japanese spoke so - fanatics. A soldier chained to a firing point was held.
                2. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 28 June 2020 23: 18 New
                  +6
                  The United States announced an embargo on oil supplies and promised to drown those who supply oil to Japan. This is a de facto declaration of war. So Japan had no options.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 June 2020 23: 26 New
                    +1
                    That's right, that's why they struck Pearl Harbor. But then went the depressing of everything that the British and Americans can do, according to the plan drawn up earlier. The main goal was the territory of modern Indonesia - oil and rubber.
                  2. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 28 June 2020 23: 29 New
                    0
                    It is always surprising where the discussion sometimes goes in the comments.
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 June 2020 23: 37 New
                    +1
                    As with a good feast - ultimately it comes down to talking about women or a fight laughing
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 29 June 2020 12: 01 New
      0
      Good day everyone. "they practically did not surrender, they fought to the end," then their Kwantung army surrendered almost completely.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 June 2020 12: 04 New
        0
        After the order of Hirohito
  • loki565
    loki565 28 June 2020 22: 11 New
    +2
    Egypt seemed to be about to bomb some kind of dam in Ethiopia, and he has quite peaceful sayings
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 29 June 2020 09: 48 New
      0
      read an article about this dam. this is a colossal project. it must be "dismantled" either now, or later it will be too late, because in the event of a breakthrough there, half of Egypt will be washed away. like about 70% of the population can wash away. most of them live on the banks of the Nile. and Ethiopia seems to be taking a very tough position. they have like half of the country without electricity. and they invested heavily in this construction. about 8% of GDP. Italians are building like.
      So all the talk about Israel is about nothing. Egypt has enough problems without Jews.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 28 June 2020 19: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    But what did Israel suddenly dislike? They have peace-friendship-chewing gum with Egypt ... They should be glad that a friend is getting stronger, and 500 of these tanks are real strength.

    without chewing gum.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 28 June 2020 21: 15 New
    +7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    But what did Israel suddenly dislike? They have peace-friendship-chewing gum with Egypt ... They should be glad that a friend is getting stronger, and 500 of these tanks are real strength.

    The problem is that in Egypt, someone like ISIS or Muslim brothers can seize power. It was already a matter of taking, and in a completely democratic way, with the knowledge and approval, if not at all from the filing, of the great Obama Democrat. It was lucky that the military was able to resolve the situevina and push the Islamists back from the feeder. And if you could not? The last time the military did not succeed in Turkey, and it is not known where the Islamist Erdogan would lead her in the end, but Turkey is relatively far from Israel. And to get hold of the fanatic Islamists armed with modern technology in the nearest neighbors is still the prospect.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 29 June 2020 00: 42 New
    +1
    But what did Israel suddenly dislike?

    I apologize, but please remind me, but what did they like and when did they like it at all? Well, with the exception of other people's problems, of course, at least the collapse of the USSR, at least the Islamic state is.
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 28 June 2020 18: 58 New
    -9
    A logical decision, what is the difference which tanks are about ...?)) Here, at least it will not be so expensive. And so with whom would they fight there? With Israel they cannot. Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia and other Abrams crap are redundant, T90 is more than enough, quantitative parameters are more important here, not qualitative.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 June 2020 19: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: Grazdanin
      And so with whom would they fight there? With Israel they cannot.

      Apparently, the Israelis are not so capricious mood ....
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 28 June 2020 19: 18 New
        0
        Sisi hangs from the first day in the balance of Sisi) Even many military officials do not like him, of those who are in thoughts with Mursi. If supporters of Mursi come to power, they think about this in Israel. And this prospect in Egypt did not disappear. Abrams, this Dependence on the USA, T90 gives an alternative chance during the embargo, if that ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 June 2020 19: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          But such a prospect in Egypt has not disappeared.

          Right?
          Do you think that again all sorts of Qatar and Turkey will give terrorists money, and they will again seize power in Egypt?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 28 June 2020 19: 35 New
            +2
            No, I don’t think so. It's just that there are not so many supporters of Mursi, and the economy is crawling, dissatisfaction is growing. These problems will be added next year due to the Ethiopian dam, which, by holding water, will create a catastrophe in Egypt's agriculture. Even now, in at the moment, Egypt is taking out the IMF debt at high interest rates in a row. I don’t think that Turkey’s problems are in Egypt’s problems.
      2. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 28 June 2020 21: 06 New
        -8
        The Israelis have a sane attitude towards the capabilities of the Egyptian armored forces. If Egypt tries the events of May 1967, when Nasser introduced tanks to Sinai, threatening the Jewish state, then Israel may well repeat the events of June 5, 1967 (Operation Moked), and then June 6-7-8, when those left without air cover Egyptian tanks burned with napalm (in the literal sense of the expression) old "Hurricanes", "Misters" and almost training "Fugues". Although adjusted for the development of technology and aviation weapons, the tanks will be burned by "Helfires" and "Spikes" from UAVs and helicopters.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 28 June 2020 21: 53 New
          +5
          Zeyev, stop throwing slogans, you’re not on the podium. To begin with, an article in a newspaper is not an official line of the government, so cool down you are our winner .. Egypt decided to prepare in advance to replace the armored vehicles lost during the DB. The collision with Ethiopia is most likely (in my opinion 65%) will be (see China). Pressure on the PNS with the Turks is a simple desire to protect the right flank before the conflict (well, to train your military a little, and maybe take a few wells laughing .)
          By the way, the former, and now Israeli citizens, the conflict between Egypt and Ethiopia will not affect the traffic on the channel? Will not affect the oil and gas transportation? You know better from yourself.
          1. Zeev zeev
            Zeev zeev 28 June 2020 22: 26 New
            -6
            Let me ask you, what is "ex" like? Former Russians? Well, for example, I have never been to the territory of the Russian Federation. Former Soviet? So the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Former who?
            And as for the issue with the Channel ... Ethiopia has no access to the sea, navy, and any real military opportunity to disrupt the operation of the Channel. Yes, and there is no particular desire to disrupt traffic.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 28 June 2020 22: 58 New
              +1
              Yes, the former are the former (who are Soviet, who are Russian, it doesn’t matter) On the channel’s account, the question is what: both countries have strong pathos, modern weapons and support are enough for both sides. Under these conditions, some take extraordinary actions (for example, to strike on ports or ships in the channel)
  • iouris
    iouris 28 June 2020 19: 13 New
    0
    There is always someone to fight with. What about the dam in Sudan? How is it in fraternal Libya?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 28 June 2020 19: 45 New
      -2
      Dam in Ethiopia, near the Blue Nile. The remainder of the water after the dam flows through the territory of Sudan to Egypt.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 29 June 2020 08: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        Dam in Ethiopia, near the Blue Nile. The remainder of the water after the dam flows through the territory of Sudan to Egypt.

        the Egyptians will not agree to a "remnant". there will be war sooner or later.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 29 June 2020 14: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Dam in Ethiopia, near the Blue Nile. The remainder of the water after the dam flows through the territory of Sudan to Egypt.

          the Egyptians will not agree to a "remnant". war sooner or later be

          I understand those who were minus do not know what thirst is and how other people can be cut out for water and food. straight God's lambs.
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 28 June 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      While still can not agree.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 June 2020 19: 15 New
    0
    T-90MS with a new gun?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 28 June 2020 19: 23 New
      -1
      Who knows? All the news from the Facebook post. In general, everything is strange. No official news.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 28 June 2020 19: 16 New
    0
    Sources from the Israeli Ministry of Defense claim that if this is a real deal, then this is a very alarming step in the aspect of Israeli interests.

    "Ruso tourist, the image of morality" Will save the state of Israel Well, there are no visas, only more expensive than Sochi. This is unacceptable. And vashcheto We have already delivered Antey to Egypt - 2500. And no terrible exorcism, and the tanks suddenly scared
  • mdsr
    mdsr 28 June 2020 19: 24 New
    +3
    I will say that this is very, very good news for UVZ and related enterprises. Enterprises will receive loading for several years and good foreign exchange earnings. Perhaps after the fulfillment of the contract, the Egyptians will want to increase the number of tanks purchased. And here, against the background of border graters with China, the Indians began to look closely at Armata. Although I am still skeptical about the current technical condition of this tank, but who knows, maybe the new Indian contract will be the impetus that will give this tank a real ticket to the conveyor, instead of the current manual assembly.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 28 June 2020 19: 30 New
      -1
      Everything is at the level of rumors, even this contract. There is no official news.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 28 June 2020 20: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Everything is at the level of rumors, even this contract. There is no official news.

        Yes, there is no official information yet, nor about the procurement contract for 24 Su-35s.
    2. AUL
      AUL 28 June 2020 19: 39 New
      0
      Quote: mdsr
      Enterprises will receive loading for several years and good foreign exchange earnings.

      But only with prepayment! Money in the morning - chairs in the evening! For I know these Arab brothers.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 28 June 2020 20: 12 New
        -4
        Quote: AUL
        But only with prepayment! Money in the morning - chairs in the evening! For I know these Arab brothers.
        I doubt that Egypt has so much money. The country is already not rich, but there are also problems with tourism due to the coronavirus. Yes, and traditional sponsors, CA and the UAE, are experiencing great financial difficulties. So finding about 2,5-3 billion dollars for the purchase of 500 tanks and another about 2 billion dollars for the 24 Su-35s, which we discussed earlier, is almost impossible for Egypt. One way remains - loans.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 29 June 2020 06: 27 New
          -3
          Quote: mdsr
          So to find about 2,5 - 3 billion dollars for the purchase of 500 tanks and another about 2 billion dollars for 24 Su-35,

          And while that lose 1,5 billion. US military aid dollars annually. As it does not seem to be true.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 28 June 2020 19: 35 New
    0
    It smacks of anti-Semitism. laughing
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 June 2020 19: 44 New
    +2
    Yes, they do not need tanks, but soldiers, because the Egyptians are still warriors, whatever they give them, they will turn everything into scrap metal.
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 28 June 2020 19: 47 New
    +3
    Well, what can I say, orders for UVZ will definitely not be redundant. And let the United States continue relations with partners in the same manner. You look at UVZ more clients will be added ... lol
  • ZVS
    ZVS 28 June 2020 19: 55 New
    -5
    Egypt has not yet begun the assembly, and the Jews have already put in their pants?
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 29 June 2020 06: 48 New
      -4
      Quote: SU
      Egypt has not yet begun the assembly, and the Jews have already put in their pants?

      This can only be written by the one who washed these pants.
      But in fact, in the war in the war of 1973, 1200 Soviet T-54 and T-55 tanks were destroyed, more than 500 were captured completely intact and marched at the parade in Tel Aviv.

      That's where the Soviet leadership was washing his pants.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 29 June 2020 08: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Quote: SU
        Egypt has not yet begun the assembly, and the Jews have already put in their pants?

        This can only be written by the one who washed these pants.
        But in fact, in the war in the war of 1973, 1200 Soviet T-54 and T-55 tanks were destroyed, more than 500 were captured completely intact and marched at the parade in Tel Aviv.

        That's where the Soviet leadership was washing his pants.

        Well, Egypt now has about 500 t-55 if not more in storage. For 1973 it’s not a tank
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 29 June 2020 09: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: Pilat2009
          t-55 if not more. for 1973 not a very tank

          T-55 - medium tank. Created on the basis of the T-54 tank. It was produced in 1979. The world's first production tank equipped with an automatic anti-nuclear defense system is a pioneer of a new generation of military vehicles capable of conducting combat operations in the context of the use of nuclear weapons.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 29 June 2020 10: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Quote: Pilat2009
            t-55 if not more. for 1973 not a very tank

            T-55 - medium tank. Created on the basis of the T-54 tank. It was produced in 1979. The world's first production tank equipped with an automatic anti-nuclear defense system is a pioneer of a new generation of military vehicles capable of conducting combat operations in the context of the use of nuclear weapons.

            How can sealing a tank and boost inside and some protection against radiation can help in a local war?
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 29 June 2020 12: 12 New
              -1
              Quote: Pilat2009
              How can sealing a tank and boost inside and some protection against radiation can help in a local war?

              Do not take me aside.
              At that time it was the most modern tank.
              1. Ded_Mazay
                Ded_Mazay 29 June 2020 15: 24 New
                -1
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                At that time it was the most modern tank.

                Even more modern T-62, T-64, T-72?
                I do not think so ... lol
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 29 June 2020 19: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ded_Mazay
                  T-62, T-64, T-72?

                  The development of the T-62 tank began in 1957,
                  A prototype was made in 1959, in 1960-1961 it was tested. The T-62 tank was a further development of the T-55 tank, it had the same layout, and it used the same components and assemblies as the T-55 tank.
                  . Serial production of the T-62 was carried out in the USSR from 1962 to 1973.
                  Adopted by the Armed Forces of the USSR since 1973
                  I wrote about the 1973 war
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 29 June 2020 22: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    I wrote about the 1973 war

                    In 1971, the Soviet Union delivered the first T-62s to Egypt; in the same year, the United States delivered the first M60A1s to Israel.
                  2. Ded_Mazay
                    Ded_Mazay 30 June 2020 15: 26 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    I wrote about the 1973 war

                    So what? Do you want to say that in the year 73 Egypt and Co. did not have t 62 in service?
                    Once again, the phrase
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    At that time it was the most modern tank.
                    to t 55 against the background of T 62 and M 60 is not particularly applicable.
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 30 June 2020 17: 54 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ded_Mazay
                      So what? Do you want to say that in the year 73 Egypt and Co. did not have t 62 in service?

                      No, they were, but it doesn’t matter, it was all broken and captured. And then it repeated in 1982.
                      1. Ded_Mazay
                        Ded_Mazay 30 June 2020 19: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        No, they were, but it doesn’t matter, it was all broken and captured.

                        Hint at the worthlessness of Soviet technology? In vain.
                        Because before 73 and 67, there were also 48, when there was no smell of Soviet equipment in the arsenals of Israel's opponents. But the result "for some reason" was the same ...
                      2. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 1 July 2020 06: 23 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Ded_Mazay
                        Hint at the worthlessness of Soviet technology?

                        Not at all.
                        War is a battle of technology, trained fighters, competent military commanders and the understanding that you are defending your country.
                        And so that the soldier would understand that she is her own, the country must do the maximum for its people.
    2. helilelik
      helilelik 29 June 2020 11: 50 New
      +1
      I think if they switched weapons completely, the result would be the same.
    3. ZVS
      ZVS 2 July 2020 11: 02 New
      -1
      Do not confuse the 73rd since 2020. Jews now wash their pants for any reason.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 2 July 2020 13: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: SU
        Do not confuse 73rd since 2020. Jews now wash their pants for any reason.

        Do not confuse!
        This is far from 1973, this is the first quarter of the 21st century.
        Today in syria all wash their pants, and some do not even have time to change.
        This is only half a year.
        2020 year
        June 28th. Unidentified planes attacked objects about Iranian police in Al-Bukamal
        27th of June. Unidentified aircraft attacked objects of the Syrian army and pro-Iranian police in the village of Al-Abbas near the city of Al-Bukamal
        June 23. "Al-Arabiya", the target of the attack was a base of pro-Iranian forces, to which a military cargo from Iran was delivered in the morning.
        June 7th. Unidentified UAVs attacked the headquarters of the Iranian police at Meisile base, in the eastern part of Dir al-Zur governorate.
        June 4th A blow was struck at an Iranian military facility near the city of Masyaf west of Hama. Caused significant damage.
        May 4th. A blow was struck at a pro-Iranian police facility in the al-Mayadin desert (Dir al-Zur governorate), on the Syrian-Iraqi border. According to SOHR, 14 Iranians and Iraqis were killed.
        May 4th. A military research center was attacked in the province of Aleppo, in the area of ​​As-Safir.
        May 1. The Israeli Air Force attacked Hezbollah's warehouses in Homs.
        The 1 of May. Helicopters hit several targets in the Kuneitra region
        April 27. Objects of Iranian forces and Lebanese Hezbollah were attacked
        20 April. In the province of Homs attacked an object located to the north of the airfield of the Syrian Air Force "Al-Tiyas".
        April 15th. In the area of ​​the Yabus junction, between Damascus and the Lebanese border, a car was destroyed by an air strike.
        March 31. Syrian media reported that the IDF Air Force attacked targets in the province of Homs. Later it became known that objects at the Shayrat airbase were attacked.
        11th of March. Unidentified UAVs attacked targets at the base of the Shiite pro-Iranian group Kataib Imam Ali (Imam Ali Battalions) in the Al-Bukamal region in eastern Syria, near the border with Iraq.
        5th of March. Military targets were attacked in the area of ​​the city of Homs and in the governorate of Quneitra. According to media reports, Hezable's headquarters was attacked,
        2nd of March. The IDF hit a car in southern Syria after sniper shelling from the Syrian side was recorded. The IDF press service confirmed this information. On March 17, the IDF published details of the attack.
        28th of February. SANA claims that IDF helicopters attacked targets of the Syrian government army and the Allied Forces (Hezbollah) in southern Syria.
        February 27. SANA says an Israeli UAV attacked a car in southern Syria, near the village of Hadar, killing one person. According to reports, the head of Hezbollah's infrastructure in Syria has been liquidated. The IDF does not comment on this information.
        February 23. Strikes were made on targets in the Damascus area. Islamic Jihad targets attacked in Syria
        February 13. The attacks were carried out on the objects of the pro-Iranian forces south of Damascus, including in the arms depots.
        February 6. An air strike was struck on targets in the Damascus area. SOHR claims to have killed at least 23 people: three Iranians, 12 militants from the Iranian militia and eight Syrians.
        January 14th. The strike was struck at the military airfield T4 in the province of Homs. The missile defense system was activated.
        January 10. unidentified aircraft attacked the positions of pro-Iranian armed formations in the area of ​​the city of Al-Bukamal on the Syrian-Iraqi border. Lebanese TV channel Al-Mayadin, associated with Hezbollah. According to the TV channel, a truck with weapons on its way from Iraq to Syria was destroyed. As a result, vehicles and weapons depots of the paramilitary Al-Hashd al-Shaabi militia were struck.
        January 9. unknown planes attacked targets in the area of ​​Al-Jala and Al-Abbas, near Al-Bukamal.
        January 8. Reports: Unknown planes attacked targets in the village of Al-Majawda, near Al-Bukamal, where the Iranian militias are stationed. On this day, in the Al-Sambli area, near Al-Bukamal, there was a transfer of heavy weapons and armored vehicles from the pro-Iranian militias to the Lebanese Hezbollah.
        4 January. Aircraft attacked positions about Iranian militias in the area of ​​Al-Bukamal on the Syrian-Iraqi border.
        THERE ARE NOT EVEN WANTED TO EVEN.
        Yes, and in Iran it is bad with the pants, after they tried to get into the Israeli water supply system.
        On the night of June 26, in the vicinity of the military base of Khojir, near Parchin, southeast of Tehran, two powerful explosions rang out, after which a red glow could be observed from the Iranian capital.
        This base was included in the list of Iran’s nuclear facilities, inspections of which for many years were unsuccessfully sought by experts from the IAEA.
        2 July 2020 year
        Iranian media report an incident at a uranium enrichment plant in Natanz. According to incoming reports, an explosion occurred here. The Iranian Atomic Energy Organization reported that the nuclear facility in Natanz was damaged as a result of the incident.
        Well, something like pants laughing
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        2. ZVS
          ZVS 3 July 2020 11: 30 New
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          Jew, and you are a snitch. Actually, this is not new. In the 37th, the largest number of informers was among the Jews. They also prevailed in the leadership of the OGPU. They subsequently led almost all the Gulag.
          So get a pair of pants The Trump Democrats will eventually leave, and Obama showed their attitude towards the Jews of Israel, a parasite country sucking finance from the US budget. Yes, and the UN confirmed Erdogan's words about the fascist nature of Israel, speaking out for the liberation of the occupied Arab lands. Hitler occupied European countries, Israel occupied Arab lands ... Consonantly, isn't it ?.
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  • 1536
    1536 28 June 2020 20: 45 New
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    So let these Israelis remove American military formations from the Black Sea, expel their military infrastructure from Georgia. Then the conversation will be.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 June 2020 21: 26 New
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      Quote: 1536
      So let these Israelis remove American military formations from the Black Sea, expel their military infrastructure

      Some people are still convinced that the Jewish kagal rules the world, and Trump himself in front of them stands quietly stretched out. And Putin too. And all sorts of smaller ones like Merkel and other Macrons can finally kneel down and open their mouths. So I have the only advice - do not miss the time of taking the medicine.
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 2 July 2020 11: 05 New
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        These are the only Arabs who are fighting the Jewish world domination.
        And trump destroys the world’s governance system built by Jews from the inside. As soon as the era of the dollar ends, so will the end of Jewish encroachments on the lands of other countries and their resources.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 June 2020 20: 49 New
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    Anxious in terms of increasing modern tanks?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 June 2020 20: 53 New
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    "Sources from the Israeli Defense Ministry claim that if this is a real deal, then this is a very disturbing move in terms of Israeli interests." (c) Sorry guys, your interests are not in the scope of our interests. laughing
    1. poquello
      poquello 28 June 2020 21: 44 New
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      Quote: Captive
      "Sources from the Israeli Defense Ministry claim that if this is a real deal, then this is a very disturbing move in terms of Israeli interests." (c) Sorry guys, your interests are not in the scope of our interests. laughing

      more precisely enter as far as they enter)
      "Debt good turn deserves another"
      very old Russian proverb
  • Michael gutkin
    Michael gutkin 28 June 2020 22: 22 New
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    The author is not without a sense of humor.
  • Maz
    Maz 28 June 2020 22: 54 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Alex777
    If I correctly understood your politically correct answer - do you still think that a fake? wink

    In terms of fake? The author, on the one hand, is not 100% sure that this agreement will be implemented. And on the other hand, of course, the supply to the arsenal of a mass of modern tanks in the not very stable country that borders us will force us to spend additional money on the purchase of weapons.

    It’s Aron that you correctly misunderstood about money, the main thing is to make a fuss about this business and knock out the grandmothers from the budget and buy money from the allies - from the USA. Maybe break off. But you have to try and sketch. The holy Jewish cause is the main thing to stake out ...
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 29 June 2020 09: 01 New
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      Quote: Maz
      It’s Aron that you correctly misunderstood about money, the main thing is to make a fuss about this business and knock out the grandmothers from the budget and buy money from the allies - from the USA. Maybe break off. But you have to try and sketch. The holy Jewish cause is the main thing to stake out ...

      There's nothing you can do. For humanitarian reasons, there were a lot of people who came along for a long time, they need to be fed, and they are ungrateful
      ... and they give the giving hand — they bite, and the breadwinner — they spread rot, but at the same time they don’t take it from the breadwinner’s hands, but very gladly, they can even cry out that you give little, you bastard!
  • alexmach
    alexmach 29 June 2020 00: 46 New
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    The news is great. An order for 500 car kits will support production and create good conditions for the supply of tanks to the Russian army.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 June 2020 08: 01 New
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    And what are the Indians silent? Was there information about the purchase of the T-90MS by the Indians and silence?
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 29 June 2020 09: 39 New
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      So there are still not all dances danced.
      Here the car kits will go to Egypt and the Indians will immediately wake up.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 29 June 2020 08: 17 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Spade
    And think about it?
    The Israelis are not afraid of tanks ...

    Yes, we and Egypt today are not very afraid. The main opponents of Egypt today are Ethiopia and Turkey.

    Iran not?
  • zwlad
    zwlad 29 June 2020 09: 37 New
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    This is a contract, on the basis of which the Egyptian army intends to receive about 500 T-90MS tanks in the next few years.

    Very good news for our defense industry.
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 29 June 2020 10: 13 New
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    The Jews probably have itching hands to bomb these plants in Egypt, but it's not Syria ... where you fly with impunity and bomb the sovereign state.
  • Radogiz
    Radogiz 29 June 2020 17: 16 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    rather a very expensive service overall. Iraqis themselves simply cannot serve them even at the minimum level. only through certain structures. which means in a country in which wars and conflicts are going on complete insanity

    This was probably done on purpose. According to the old saying, "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a destroyer."
  • Barmal
    Barmal 29 June 2020 23: 21 New
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    Sources from the Israeli Ministry of Defense claim that if this is a real deal, then this is a very alarming step in the aspect of Israeli interests.

    Cuming out from the side of the Jews - the assembly of abrams did not sadden them Here are those times. Those. Abrams didn’t strain them, how can they strain T90?
  • PAVEL PYHTEEV
    PAVEL PYHTEEV 30 June 2020 15: 52 New
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    Interestingly, when the American tank "Abroms" was being assembled in Egypt, there was not a word in Israel that it was a threat to Israel, but it was only necessary to declare the intention to do the same thing, but with a Russian tank, it immediately states that this is a threat to Israel ... Hypocrisy as it is
  • Joker62
    Joker62 30 June 2020 17: 48 New
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    Quote: Clever man
    So I’m thinking of buying a Passat B7 or, well, its ....

    This is about tanks, not your problem cars ...
    And the truth is said, about what, and lousy about the bath .... and here ... quite the coast beguiled ...
  • Joker62
    Joker62 30 June 2020 17: 53 New
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    Quote: SU
    Egypt has not yet begun the assembly, and the Jews have already put in their pants?

    The Jews, as always, take envy to the very pamper .... here they raise panic and tantrum ...
    They dream of their Merkav to collect as much as that of Egypt ...
    Apparently finances do not allow to be deployed on such a scale of production ....