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“Further acceleration is technically impossible”: India will not receive the S-400 air defense missile systems ahead of schedule

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The Indian press, citing the country's Ministry of Defense, writes that a delegation of the military department, who recently visited Moscow, spoke about the results of negotiations with Russian colleagues. Recall that the Indian delegation in Moscow was led by Minister of Defense Rajnat Singh. He was met by Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu and Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov. The Indian side requested Russia to accelerate the pace of deliveries of previously contracted weapons, as well as expand activities on other possible deliveries.


A major Indian edition of The Hindu today comes out with material from columnist Dinakar Peri, which points to the following point:

Russia agreed in a short time to satisfy some urgent defense requirements that India was striving for. In particular, we are talking about the implementation of the transaction on AK-203 assault rifles and Ka-226T helicopters.

India previously ordered from Russia more than 750 thousand AK-203 assault rifles, of which about 670 thousand will be assembled at an Indian plant under a Russian license. India also ordered 200 of the mentioned helicopters, of which 60 will be imported from Russia, and the rest will be assembled in India. It is reported that part of the Ka-226T will be delivered earlier than agreed earlier.

But to get the S-400 SAMs earlier than the terms specified in the contract for India will not work.

From Dinakar Peri Material:

“Further acceleration is technically impossible,” a diplomatic source said.

The first deliveries, as noted, to India will take place at the end of 2021, which is prescribed in the contract.

The Indian Ministry of Defense intended to receive the first S-400 Triumph systems a few months earlier, motivating its wishes with difficulties on the border with China. But, as noted, to deliver anti-aircraft missile systems earlier than scheduled does not work.
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  1. Labrador
    Labrador 28 June 2020 17: 03 New
    22
    Bargained: expensive - inexpensive, want - reluctant laughing
    1. Civil
      Civil 28 June 2020 17: 56 New
      +8
      Elephants could not beat the dragon from the bear. Oh how)
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 June 2020 20: 43 New
      +1
      There is a schedule of supplies of S-400 and it is not reasonable for us to disrupt it. We need these complexes ourselves.
  2. mdsr
    mdsr 28 June 2020 17: 06 New
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    The Indian Ministry of Defense intended to receive the first S-400 Triumph systems a few months earlier, motivating its wishes with difficulties on the border with China. But, as noted, to deliver anti-aircraft missile systems earlier than scheduled does not work.
    In my opinion, this is a political decision. For example, to deliver the same S-400 Turkey ahead of schedule technically as it turned out. Just accelerating the supply of S-400 at the time of the conflict on the border with China would be perceived in China as an unfriendly move.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 June 2020 20: 49 New
      +4
      Complexes are few to buy, they also need to be mastered. These are not machine guns. In the meantime, they will master them how much time will pass? Does it make sense to rush into supplies?
    2. avg
      avg 30 June 2020 10: 19 New
      0
      Quote: mdsr
      In my opinion, this is a political decision.

      Political and very balanced. Undoubtedly it will be appreciated in China, and I hope that it will play a certain "educational" role in relations with India.
  3. Samara_63
    Samara_63 28 June 2020 17: 08 New
    +1
    Why did they just come to their senses? With their Air Force and Navy you can only lose
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 28 June 2020 17: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Samara_63
      With their Air Force and Navy you can only lose

      In fairness, any country can lose China. To compete with them in the pace of arms supplies is not a realistic task. Their military budget is many times larger than the Indian and Russian. And this despite the fact that the cost of purchasing Chinese weapons is significantly lower. China's military containment will soon become a common task.
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 28 June 2020 17: 18 New
        +4
        It depends on what kind of war? If China is the first to deliver a nuclear strike, then everything, they have the entire population concentrated in the coastal provinces, the density is just awful ...
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich
          Ravil_Asnafovich 28 June 2020 17: 22 New
          -3
          Our territory will suffer.
        2. mdsr
          mdsr 28 June 2020 17: 30 New
          -4
          Quote: Samara_63
          Watching what kind of war?

          Of course, I did not mean a nuclear war.
          Quote: Samara_63
          If China Be First to Deal Nuclear

          You are a strange person. I can also say, what if China is the first to launch a nuclear strike? China is also full of its various missile attack early warning systems. So with impunity to strike a nuclear strike is unlikely to succeed. In Russia, thank God, this also will not work. So in reality, all parties so far are only considering collisions using conventional weapons.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 28 June 2020 17: 47 New
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            Quote: mdsr
            in reality, all parties so far are considering only collisions using conventional weapons.

            But in real clashes, as recently as the border, they even use "weapons of the proletariat" - apparently, away from sin. request laughing
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 29 June 2020 00: 32 New
              0
              And in real clashes, as recently as the border, they even use the "weapons of the proletariat" - apparently, away from sin. request laughing

              Well done, by the way. And the steam was released and escalated.
          2. Samara_63
            Samara_63 28 June 2020 18: 09 New
            -2
            Not well, if you can cover a little flight time and do not have time to react
          3. Charik
            Charik 28 June 2020 21: 24 New
            -1
            Especially Russia has tied up with China, or not?
          4. Marconi41
            Marconi41 28 June 2020 23: 51 New
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            Quote: mdsr
            So in reality, all parties so far are only considering collisions using conventional weapons.

            Fighting China with conventional weapons is like death. They just throw us hats, there are a lot of them, and they also have modern weapons.
          5. KCA
            KCA 29 June 2020 02: 53 New
            +2
            Does China have its own systems? Where do you get such nonsense? You do not know what Russia is building in China the SPRN, which he had never had before? At the moment, only the Russian Federation and the United States have SPRN, no one else, even in enlightened Europe, has
        3. Grits
          Grits 28 June 2020 18: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: Samara_63
          It depends on what kind of war? If China is the first to deliver a nuclear strike, then everything, they have the entire population concentrated in the coastal provinces, the density is just awful ...

          And how are you going to hit China with long-range strategic ballistic missiles? We don’t have any others. But in China there are medium- and shorter-range missiles. It’s easier for them to beat on our territory than for us. We can only nuclear-powered detachment and artillery special ammunition.
          1. Samara_63
            Samara_63 28 June 2020 18: 12 New
            +1
            I didn’t mean Russia, well, it’s time for Russia to rivet medium-range missiles, but for now, hummingbirds and OTRs can be equipped with a nuclear warhead, a diesel submarine can quietly lurk along the coast
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 01 New
              -1
              Remember yourself and tell everyone - we do not need to fight with China.
              This is our strategic partner. hi
              1. Alf
                Alf 29 June 2020 18: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex777
                This is our strategic partner.

                Let's just say, not a partner, but a fellow traveler.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 29 June 2020 19: 23 New
                  0
                  No worse than others.
          2. businessv
            businessv 28 June 2020 21: 47 New
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            Quote: Gritsa
            We don’t have any others.
            How not? And the tactical Iskander?
            1. Grits
              Grits 29 June 2020 09: 12 New
              -1
              Quote: businessv
              How not? And the tactical Iskander?

              You are inattentive. I wrote about OTR
              1. businessv
                businessv 29 June 2020 22: 27 New
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                Quote: Gritsa
                You are inattentive. I wrote about OTR

                Pancake! I answered about the Operationally Tactical Missile System 9K720 Iskander!
          3. KCA
            KCA 29 June 2020 03: 00 New
            +1
            The number of tactical nuclear charges in Russia is estimated from 12 to 16 thousand, but even approximate official data are not included in the START-3 and pads, and how many of them are in caliber 152 mm for howitzers, and in tank 125 mm, for " Caliber "," Iskander "and other things, well, whoever needs it knows
        4. fiberboard
          fiberboard 28 June 2020 19: 42 New
          0
          With them, it will not work differently. Of all our allies, only Vietnam is capable of something. And the Indians can at least arm themselves, at least not. There will be no sense in them.
        5. Charik
          Charik 28 June 2020 21: 23 New
          0
          there, with the Israeli missiles, all Egyptian T90s were destroyed here with a nuclear strike, all the Chinese were killed, as if a joke student was funny
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 28 June 2020 18: 56 New
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        Quote: mdsr
        Their military budget is many times larger than the Indian and Russian.

        Budget, of course, is good. But it is still necessary to master it wisely. Not bags of yuan of the enemy will have to be thrown ... Not cheap copy-paste. And high-quality weapons from scratch will not appear from nothing, if not turret. The S-400 is a prime example. In addition to money, a lot of things are needed.
      3. Hey
        Hey 28 June 2020 19: 25 New
        +7
        In fairness, any country can lose China.

        It depends on what kind of war? If China is the first to strike a nuclear strike, then all

        Our territory will suffer.

        The Chinese have an “Achilles heel” that is their hydropower complexes on the two main rivers, the Yellow River and the Yangtze. If you blow up the upper dams of power plants located in the mountains, the water flows in the reservoirs will be demolished by the hydraulic structures located downstream and so on to the plain. The volumes of water stored in all reservoirs are enough to demolish and flood all of central China, where the country's main population lives. After which, China will be in the "Stone Age" with a population comparable in numbers to many neighboring countries, of course excluding India.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 28 June 2020 21: 02 New
          -2
          Are you seriously transmitting these bloodthirsty ideas? What for?
        2. businessv
          businessv 28 June 2020 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: MUD
          Then China will be in the "Stone Age" with a population comparable in size to many neighboring countries

          Pancake! You are bloodthirsty! smile
  4. Poetry
    Poetry 28 June 2020 17: 21 New
    +4
    "In the meantime, we are ready to ship you a batch of stones and reinforcement."
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 June 2020 17: 21 New
    +9
    This is understandable why. Export versions of the S-400 are different from the Russian, therefore, and can not be put "out of stock" ...
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 29 June 2020 02: 01 New
      -2
      This is understandable why. Export versions of the S-400 are different from the Russian, therefore, and can not be put "out of stock" ...

      Because China can impose sanctions on this, and their sanctions are not European, then our economy will make such a contract that the S-400 contract will not even pay back
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 28 June 2020 17: 22 New
    +5
    But, as noted, to deliver anti-aircraft missile systems earlier than scheduled does not work.

    And Singh must be encouraged and Xi should not be offended. In general, it would be time for Russia to take, as an arbiter, to reconcile these mastodons.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 28 June 2020 17: 38 New
      -3
      it would be nice to measure them
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 June 2020 17: 48 New
        +7
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        it would be nice to them to try on

        Exactly. yes And to weigh. laughing
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 28 June 2020 17: 50 New
          +7
          need to make peace
      2. mikhailovich22
        mikhailovich22 28 June 2020 18: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        it would be nice to measure them

        Why measure them?
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 28 June 2020 19: 06 New
          +5
          Well, I was sealed up and in response to a comment I wrote a message with the correct word.
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 28 June 2020 17: 42 New
    0
    Well, what is there to comment. Seven years of a disco dancer will send anyone into suspended animation.
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 June 2020 19: 29 New
    -2
    And did not occur to lease the S-300?
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 June 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    Our cart would push them, with you in the shortest possible time, turnkey plant, electronic technology and loot and you would be happy. In the meantime, we smile and wave.
  10. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 June 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    There was nothing for a long time and stupidly performed. Weapons must be bought for war, not diversification. More models, more complicated logistics, linking different systems into a single system.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 June 2020 20: 55 New
    +1
    It seems ours also learned Indian dances. laughing Now who will dance.
  12. bobba94
    bobba94 28 June 2020 21: 18 New
    -1
    This is called a process. If it were washing machines, then you could meet us and speed up the delivery, but we are talking about weapons, serious weapons and everything should be at a serious technological level. Everything is correct ..... so that later there would be no talk about the fact that Indian operators didn’t shoot down the enemy’s plane due to a malfunction in the S-400 air defense system assembled by the Russians in a hurry.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 29 June 2020 01: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: bobba94
      This is called a process. If it were washing machines, then you could meet us and speed up the delivery, but we are talking about weapons, serious weapons and everything should be at a serious technological level. Everything is correct ..... so that later there would be no talk about the fact that Indian operators didn’t shoot down the enemy’s plane due to a malfunction in the S-400 air defense system assembled by the Russians in a hurry.

      No, it looks as if the Ukrainian Minister of Defense came to Belarus and asked them to expedite the supply of multiple launch rocket systems due to the conflict on the border with Russia. We would clearly not be glad about the decision of the Belarusians to speed up supplies. Here the same thing, the decision is most likely a political one, which was shoved into technical impossibility
      1. bobba94
        bobba94 29 June 2020 12: 36 New
        0
        India accounts for approximately 30% of total Russian arms exports. Where do the legs of Chinese aviation, armored vehicles, navy, air defense, missile defense and so on. and so on. also well known. Here the whole trinity intertwined for the most I can not and, in my opinion, it is now somehow strange to talk about political decisions. Push not push, and who are you fooling ....
  13. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 29 June 2020 11: 26 New
    0
    In theory, S-400 should only be delivered complete with systems like Thor, Carapace, or S-350. And training to work in such complexes should also be in conjunction with medium and short range systems. Otherwise, the complexes can be destroyed, and the system itself is discredited. Such systems should not be sold separately, but only as part of a layered air defense system.
  14. Alf
    Alf 29 June 2020 18: 56 New
    0
    “Further acceleration is technically impossible,” a diplomatic source said.

    Praise the gods that it has come to our "brilliant" leaders that if you don’t feed you as a pregnant woman, you won’t give birth before. The plant is not rubber, and those who wish to stand at the machine are not observed.