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“The armor of the tank will not melt”: Sohu reflects on the effectiveness of the Russian combat laser “Relight”

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The main purpose of combat laser weapons consists in the destruction of enemy equipment and weapons. In particular, it is discussed "aviation direction ”, when the target of a combat laser may be an unmanned aerial vehicle or aircraft. In the future, combat laser systems are planned to be used as a segment of missile defense. It is about creating a kind of grid over the protected object, which hypothetically should either destroy the missile fired at this object, or at least disorient it.


But when it comes to the use of combat lasers as weapons for the destruction of relatively large, maneuverable types of equipment, ammunition, the main problems of laser systems are revealed. One of the key problems is associated with the power of the installation, respectively, with the very ability of the laser beam to “burn” the enemy’s equipment or disable its electronic filling.

In the Chinese edition of Sohu, it is noted that today, in relation to estimates of the effectiveness of combat laser weapons, the main role is played by the human imagination. It is noted that the use of combat lasers by many seems to be “a laser beam melting armor” tanks».

From the material:

This is more like sci-fi sketches when the laser beam of a combat installation melts steel. However, in reality, combat lasers, which today exist in several countries of the world, do not have the power that would allow something similar to be done. The available power clearly does not make it possible to create such a temperature that would allow melt the metal in a relatively short time - the goal.


The author in Sohu notes that Russia dominates today in creating laser combat weapons. An example is the combat laser installation of the ground forces - "Relight". In this case, the author writes that the power (below 100 kW) should be significantly increased, that the combat laser complex (BLK) allowed to destroy, for example, an attack drone in the air. Increasing the capacity of the installation is directly related to increasing its efficiency.

The armor of the tank will not melt.

And the Chinese author would not be a Chinese author if the material did not indicate that China also pays special attention to promising developments in the field of the use of a laser for military purposes. From the article:

In the future, China will also continue to develop laser technology, and the fantastic properties attributed to the combat laser in computer games and novels will become a reality.

Recall that the Peresvet installation has been in operation in the Russian Federation since 2018.
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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 28 June 2020 10: 04
    +4
    The available power clearly does not make it possible to create such a temperature that would allow melt the metal in a relatively short time - the goal.

    If we imagine that a laser accumulates energy from a diesel generator, then yes. And if we were able to "stuff" a nuclear reactor into a rocket, then what prevents us from doing this with a laser installation?

    ps
    Relight is not intended to combat armored vehicles. He has slightly different tasks.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 June 2020 10: 41
      +4
      Well, yes, we will steal the necessary technologies somewhere, and begin to massively build counter-tactical combat lasers in our Celestial Empire. ..And the power of 100 kW / t was measured by the Chinese himself? And, what is this tsifer - the power of the laser "in general", or the power of the beam "at the exit"? And what does the "Bulletin of Mordovia" write about this ???
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 18: 01
        -1
        And what kind of tsifer is this - the laser power "in general", or the beam power "at the output"? And what does Vestnik Mordovii write about this ???


        https://topwar.ru/39288-mobilnye-lazernye-tehnologicheskie-kompleksy-razrabotki-gnc-rf-triniti.html
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CaGiT54ks8
    2. doubovitski
      doubovitski 28 June 2020 10: 50
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      The available power clearly does not make it possible to create such a temperature that would allow melt the metal in a relatively short time - the goal.

      If we imagine that a laser accumulates energy from a diesel generator, then yes. And if we were able to "stuff" a nuclear reactor into a rocket, then what prevents us from doing this with a laser installation?

      ps
      Relight is not intended to combat armored vehicles. He has slightly different tasks.

      Her Majesty Physics interferes. With an increase in the beam power, the medium is ionized if it is not a vacuum. Have you seen the lightning? This is she, the ionized medium. It is this thing that prevents the spread of power, scattering it into the surrounding volume. And neither the spectrum of the light beam nor its concentration will help here .... For this, air transparency is an obstacle that cannot be overcome.
      1. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 28 June 2020 11: 53
        +3
        If done correctly, the "ionized channel" in turn contributes to the preservation of the beam and propagation over a greater distance.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 28 June 2020 12: 30
          0
          Dobrogo Borat. The fact of the matter is that it will not be possible to "do the right thing" for a long time (here, the authors will have a cooler Nobel Prize). There is no such instant and powerful source of energy. At the moment, humanity is just beginning to approach thermonuclear energy by millimeters (the international tokomak in France and our experimental fast neutron reactor), while something compact (at least the size of Belaz) is still at the level of Alexei Tolstoy.
        2. doubovitski
          doubovitski 28 June 2020 13: 21
          0
          Quote: BoratSagdiev
          If done correctly, the "ionized channel" in turn contributes to the preservation of the beam and propagation over a greater distance.

          For this you need to be God. To change the laws of nature.
          This is not given to man. Our destiny is to use these Laws as they are.

          Technical reasons (according to the source - PV Zarubin "Akademik Basov ...") consisted in the fact that at a micron wavelength of laser radiation it was practically impossible to focus the beam onto a relatively small area. Those. if the target is at a distance of more than 100 km, then the natural angular divergence of optical laser radiation in the atmosphere as a result of scattering is 0,0001 degrees. This was established in the Institute of Atmospheric Optics at the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences in Tomsk, specially created to ensure the implementation of the program for the creation of laser weapons, which was headed by Acad. V.E. Zuev. From this it followed that the laser radiation spot at a distance of 100 km would have a diameter of at least 20 meters, and the energy density over an area of ​​1 cm2 at a total laser source energy of 1 MJ would be less than 0,1 J / cm2. This is too little - in order to hit the rocket (create a hole in it of 1 cm2, depressurizing it), more than 1 kJ / cm2 is required

          If you are interested in this question, go here.

          https://studbooks.net/1352721/matematika_himiya_fizika/lazernoe_izluchenie_atmosfere
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 18: 03
        0
        With an increase in the beam power, the medium is ionized if it is not a vacuum.

        - in the atmosphere, the problem is solved by focusing several rays of subcritical power at the aiming point.
        - there is simply no such problem in the vacum.
    3. Boratsagdiev
      Boratsagdiev 28 June 2020 11: 51
      +1
      There are many methods for almost instantaneous energy production (sufficiently large power), but unfortunately one-time.
      How do you think during the Soviet era, experimental installations on "ships" were pumped with energy?
  2. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 June 2020 10: 05
    +1
    Well, there’s also flying Cornet type scrap for armor. negative
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 28 June 2020 13: 05
      +2
      What is the use of this armor if the sights are broken? bully
      In the West, Relight is credited with blinding tracking satellites.
      Ostensibly, therefore, Peresvet are in the location of the divisions with the Yars.
      It’s easier to disable tank surveillance devices.
      As for power supplies, there was infa on the development of "atomic batteries" up to 1 MW in the size of a sea container ... hi
      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4508435
  3. Poetry
    Poetry 28 June 2020 10: 08
    +7
    If we have a bad weapon, would they break into an attack on the Indians? .. This SOKHU constantly writes what useless weapons we have. Nothing personal. Only business.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 28 June 2020 10: 23
      +1
      China is not only SOKHU. They also do not stand still. Chinese security officials are already using the WJG-2002 laser rifle. But as a non-lethal weapon. It seems that the topic was that they created the ZKZM-500 laser assault rifle
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 28 June 2020 10: 25
        +4
        Laser weapons have one feature. The weather should be good.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 28 June 2020 10: 26
          +1
          Quote: Poetiszaugla
          Laser weapons have one feature. The weather should be good.

          And those who argue are working on it. Without taking into account the weather, the laser generally cuts steel like a knife. (industrial installations)
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 28 June 2020 10: 27
            +2
            So of course, the perfect weapon. No noise and dust.
        2. Kerensky
          Kerensky 28 June 2020 10: 54
          +1
          Laser weapons have one feature. The weather should be good.

          Sergey.
          So it seems like there was an article about the fact that the beam is punctured in the "weather". A sort of doublet.
        3. Reklastik
          Reklastik 28 June 2020 16: 50
          +1
          And the goal itself should strive to get into the radiation by the most vulnerable spot)))
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 28 June 2020 16: 52
            +2
            "A passer-by slipped and fell on the knife. And so 8 times."
            So, roughly? ..
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 18: 12
        0
        Chinese security officials are already using the WJG-2002 laser rifle. But as a non-lethal weapon.

        Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy (Strategic Missile Forces)
        1984 - 8-charge LASER GUN non-lethal action.
        The Almaz program. Purpose - arming cosmonauts during defense
        military space stations
        The maximum pulse power is 10 joules.
        Range of action - 20 meters.
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 30 June 2020 18: 12
          0
          https://topwar.ru/38339-sdelano-v-sssr-lazernyy-pistolet-kosmonavta.html
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 June 2020 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      and would have rushed into an attack on the Indians? .. This SOKHU constantly writes what useless weapons we have.

      So they rushed. yes laughing In general, it turned out funny: two nuclear powers staged a massacre with armature and stones. fellow wassat Although, on the other hand, they clearly demonstrated how conflicts will occur in the post-nuclear world.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 28 June 2020 15: 12
        +3
        Einstein said about the fourth world? I don’t know what the Third World War will be like, but 4th stones and sticks.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 28 June 2020 15: 14
          0
          Quote: Poetiszaugla
          but 4th stones and sticks.

          Exactly. This is what they showed. We rehearsed just in case - but there are different cases. laughing
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 28 June 2020 15: 17
            +3
            The main thing is that they do not enter the taste, otherwise the hand will automatically reach for the nuclear baton.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 28 June 2020 15: 18
              0
              Quote: Poetiszaugla
              The main thing is not to taste,

              Yes should not. Just after each other at the Victory Parade in Moscow passed, and, it seems, nothing - they did not fight.
              1. Poetry
                Poetry 28 June 2020 15: 20
                +3
                Azerbaijanis and Armenians also walked, one after another.
  4. Tibul
    Tibul 28 June 2020 10: 11
    +3
    He may be right. Once Belyaev’s science fiction was just science fiction, now it’s not so much as before.
  5. KCA
    KCA 28 June 2020 10: 21
    +2
    What upscale iksperds are in Sokha, by the photo of the laser of guidance they were able to determine the power of a combat laser, here it’s direct less than 100 kW and that's it, you can’t argue with the experts
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 28 June 2020 10: 23
    +2
    The author apparently wrote the article under the impression of "The Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin" by A. Tolstoy. smile
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 June 2020 10: 24
    +1
    It won’t melt the armor of the tank. But any crew of potential partners being in the reserved space of their TVC can light their last cigarette from the Peresvet laser beam. Does it sound better than the Chinese ?!
  8. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 June 2020 10: 28
    +3
    Yes, the laser has a lot of different tasks)) ... in the case of a tank, it won’t melt the armor, but it will definitely disable all surveillance and guidance devices ... with aircraft and missiles ... from destruction to complete disorientation ... and others and other ... so far, its effective application has yet to be worked out ... tactics of use and the range of tasks to be solved ...
    it's like a baseball bat ... you can play baseball ... BUT there are other topics))
  9. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 June 2020 10: 38
    -4
    New weapons should be demonstrated from time to time. At least like this:

    Or even like this:

    By the way, field trials are already underway. By the end of the year, a full-scale demonstration was promised.
    For those interested in the topic:
    https://defense-update.com/20200108_hel_israel.html
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 28 June 2020 10: 45
      +3
      What is the working title of the movie? Who are the stars.?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 28 June 2020 10: 52
        -4
        Quote: parusnik
        What is the working title of the movie? Who are the stars.?

        The article is written:
        Recall that the Peresvet installation has been in operation in the Russian Federation since 2018.

        And according to Shoigu, only from December 1, 2019.
        https://ria.ru/20191224/1562774710.html
        I also love and oh, how I can fast, believe me.
        But, let's take the topic seriously and wait a bit more. hi
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 29 June 2020 21: 31
        0
        Looks like Sergeant Bilko is in the lead! This is judging by how, 1 second after aiming the "laser" at the target, something colorfully explodes. At the end of the 1st video, the human dummy is not damaged! Dodged?
    2. doubovitski
      doubovitski 28 June 2020 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      New weapons should be demonstrated from time to time. At least like this:

      Or even like this:

      By the way, field trials are already underway. By the end of the year, a full-scale demonstration was promised.
      For those interested in the topic:
      https://defense-update.com/20200108_hel_israel.html

      Write the address where to send assistance to the author of this cartoon. Particularly pleased with his dream of a drone, shooting down targets in flight.
      Apparently, you are completely crazy that you use such materials, proving the abilities of your under-state.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 28 June 2020 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: doubovitski
        Apparently, you are completely crazy that you use such materials, proving the abilities of your under-state.

        But you shouldn't be rude here, Viktor Kuzmich. Yes, and on "you", something I do not remember when I switched. Keep yourself, my dear, within the bounds of decency.
        Would you like to say something intelligible on the topic of the article? If not, I dare not hold back anymore. hi
        1. doubovitski
          doubovitski 28 June 2020 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: doubovitski
          Apparently, you are completely crazy that you use such materials, proving the abilities of your under-state.

          But you shouldn't be rude here, Viktor Kuzmich. Yes, and on "you", something I do not remember when I switched. Keep yourself, my dear, within the bounds of decency.
          Would you like to say something intelligible on the topic of the article? If not, I dare not hold back anymore. hi

          I turn to YOU ​​to a deeply respected person. And in front of someone like Jacob Kedmi, a citizen of Israel today, he is ready to stand on a hood, holding his cap in his hand. Respect deserves. How can you respect the FORMER compatriot watering the mud in his FORMER Homeland? Nothing but contempt. And it's not my fault.
          Demonstrate this nonsense, capable of striking the imagination of children, presenting it as an achievement ..... "Peresvet" is not made to destroy objects in the atmosphere, on water, under water, and in space. It destroys observation devices, CCD matrices in them. Have you tried to photograph a laser beam aimed exactly at the lens of your camera? Try it. Report the results.

          It is possible to burn metal with a beam, but at distances not exceeding several kilometers.
          Technical reasons (according to the source - PV Zarubin "Akademik Basov ...") consisted in the fact that at a micron wavelength of laser radiation it was practically impossible to focus the beam onto a relatively small area. Those. if the target is at a distance of more than 100 km, then the natural angular divergence of optical laser radiation in the atmosphere as a result of scattering is 0,0001 degrees. This was established in the Institute of Atmospheric Optics at the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences in Tomsk, specially created to ensure the implementation of the program for the creation of laser weapons, which was headed by Acad. V.E. Zuev. From this it followed that the laser radiation spot at a distance of 100 km would have a diameter of at least 20 meters, and the energy density over an area of ​​1 cm2 at a total laser source energy of 1 MJ would be less than 0,1 J / cm2. This is too little - in order to hit the rocket (create a hole in it of 1 cm2, depressurizing it), more than 1 kJ / cm2 is required

          But why bother with a garden when the same thing can be done much more efficiently at a much greater distance? In other ways.
    3. V1er
      V1er 28 June 2020 11: 53
      +2
      I haven’t laughed like that for a long time)
  10. evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 June 2020 11: 08
    0
    Does the equal survey again make castings on indirect ones? (About the article). The modet will burn, and may blind. The time will come to find out.
  11. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 28 June 2020 12: 18
    +1
    Traditionally for the Chinese media, a reportage-s in the style of "yes, the Russians have modern weapons" and "however, not everything is so smooth with him" and "at all, to be honest," and finally, "here we have it already ...
    Everything is like a carbon copy. Arguments? Analytics? Technical details? No, all this is unnecessary - the workers of the pen take the word of the party.
  12. Unemployed
    Unemployed 28 June 2020 14: 41
    +1
    I would like to look at an idiot who would bring a laser system worth a few lards to a direct fire distance against a cheap tank. Although I have seen so many idiots in my 55 years that anything is possible.
  13. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 28 June 2020 15: 55
    0
    The armor of the tank ...

    Where exactly..
    But - fool
  14. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 29 June 2020 09: 13
    0
    If "Peresvet" really exists, then there is a real result of its work. Billions are not just thrown down the drain, but under sanctions. What is the result of the work of "Peresvet" today - not everyone should know.
  15. shonsu
    shonsu 29 June 2020 10: 11
    0
    Laser in the atmosphere is most effective at close range. I think that 10 kilometers is its effective radius, maximum 20 or so. the distance is very dependent on weather conditions. laser advantages, accuracy, speed, low cost shots. these properties suggest that it is his place to cover objects from the air. but it is also possible to fight armored vehicles with manpower. there was already evidence that snipers damaged the retina of the eye, such a non-lethal defeat of manpower by laser. and the tank, if you disable the devices, will be just a piece of metal. today, tanks use a lot of radars, sensors, thermal imagers, communications equipment, and optics that can be damaged by relatively low-power lasers. so the laser of stars from the sky will not be enough, but it can become a workhorse. but the main thing is that it can become the main type of weapon in space, because it does not have returns.