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In the West, they note the complete digitization of the S-350 Vityaz air defense system

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In the West, they note the complete digitization of the S-350 Vityaz air defense system

Western experts in the field of military technology note the new success of Russia in the creation of air defense systems. In particular, we are talking about the arming of the Russian Armed Forces anti-aircraft missile system S-350 "Vityaz". Recall that these systems began to arrive at air defense units and formations this year.


In the West, it is noted that the latest Russian medium-range anti-aircraft missile system can rightly be attributed to a new generation of air defense systems. In particular, attention is drawn to radar systems and complex management consoles. It is noted that the S-350 differs from other Russian air defense systems in that it is fully digitized.

The S-350 Vityaz radar (50N6E) allows you to automatically determine the targets, to carry out their support for the further destruction of those that pose a threat.



The maximum number of simultaneously fired ballistic targets is 12. The range of hitting targets: aerodynamic - up to 60 km, ballistic - up to 30 km. In height - 30 km and 25 km, respectively. At the same time, the information block of the air defense system allows you to simultaneously track up to two hundred aerodynamic and ballistic targets. Spatial monitoring is provided by rotating the antenna at speeds up to 40 rpm. Ammunition for one launcher consists of 12 anti-aircraft guided missiles with ARGSN.

Complexes S-350 Vityaz Russia has not yet exported to foreign countries.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 05 New
    -33

    Complexes S-350 Vityaz Russia has not yet exported to foreign countries.


    It does not export, but was created based on a joint development with Yu. Korea. So that a similar unit is produced by South Korea.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 09: 17 New
      12
      Quote: Zaurbek

      Complexes S-350 Vityaz Russia has not yet exported to foreign countries.


      It does not export, but was created based on a joint development with Yu. Korea. So that a similar unit is produced by South Korea.

      I recently went to a plumbing store ... I saw earthenware products there ... well, very similar to the oligarchs' gold toilets! You can’t forbid to live beautifully!
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 26 New
        -33
        It is unlikely. And given the advantage of Yu.K. in electronics .... it can be quite the opposite.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 28 June 2020 09: 35 New
          12
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And given the advantage of Yu.K. in electronics.

          The assembly shop is not a design bureau. Technology will cease to flow and South will immediately turn into North.

          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 36 New
            -5
            South Korea, like China, is already generating technology themselves.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 28 June 2020 09: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: Zaurbek
              South Korea, like China, is already generating technology themselves.

              China - yes. Yu.K. - not. The Peace Control Center is being relocated to China. Brains are also transferred there. Entire new cities in China are already waiting for their residents with brains from around the world:


              And there are a lot of such pictures on the internet ...
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 18 New
                -10
                Quote: Boris55
                China - yes. Yu.K. - not.

                10 minutes google what Samsung and LG are. China on the development of technology to South Korea is very far away. Do not make people laugh.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 28 June 2020 12: 43 New
                  +9
                  Samsung and LG are very strong.
                  But Huawei Technologies is confidently catching up with them.
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 28 June 2020 12: 57 New
                    -18
                    Catching up is always easier, but catching up to strive for past achievements of the leader. Yes, China reproduces the technology of leaders well, but no more. This is the fate of any authoritarian / totalitarian system. To create a new people must be free.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 28 June 2020 13: 30 New
                      +6
                      This thesis is not very suitable for the countries of the Far East. Their transition from deep feudalism to developed capitalism took place rapidly due to the high discipline and self-discipline of people. Combined with collectivism. Both Japan and South Korea made the industrial leap before they were democracies. The transition to democracy happened later. China follows the same path. The Chinese Communist Party is "changing shoes on the go" transferring the country from socialism to capitalism. And it will inevitably turn at first simply into a "ruling party", and then become one of the parties in parliament.
                      1. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 28 June 2020 13: 41 New
                        -18
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Both Japan and South Korea have made an industrial leap yet not being democracies

                        Controversial statement. If you look at the indicators of all authoritarian countries, then there is a leap, then drop to the previous or lower level. Even take Russia. 2000-2012 growth in all respects. 2012 ~ 2020 in the best case, stagnation and more often fall to the level of the beginning of the century. The same thing in Korea and Japan, they achieved a real dawn and occupied level under the democratic regime. The only example that contradicts is Singapore. But they are very specific.

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        China goes the same way

                        Unclear. Under Xi Jinping, the Secretary General’s term limit for office was canceled. The nuts are being tightened. Very much it all depends on the person.
                      2. Tusv
                        Tusv 29 June 2020 15: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Even take Russia. 2000-2012 growth in all respects.

                        It depends on how you measure Russia. A lot of taxes were simply removed during this period. The economy began to breathe and began to crawl out of the shadows. And by and large, as it was at the level of 1 - 2 percent, so it goes. Without any recessions
                    2. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 28 June 2020 14: 43 New
                      -10
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      This thesis is not very suitable for the countries of the Far East.

                      I disagree categorically with this. Compare North and South Korea, China and Taiwan. One people, different political systems.
              2. Voyager
                Voyager 28 June 2020 13: 55 New
                +5
                LG and Samsung are certainly good, but the fact that China is far from them is a high-profile statement. There is TSMC with its unique technologies and processors manufacturing, there are many others, and many of them are multibillion-dollar giants
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 28 June 2020 14: 28 New
                  -1
                  China is good at mass production, they can bring single copies to mass production. But to create something new is fundamentally better not. If you want to buy high-quality professional equipment, then you have a choice between the ones manufactured in the USA, Germany, France, South Korea and Japan, if you need to save China.
                  By the way, do you know why? 60% of rare earth metals are mined in China, and there was a ban on their export. And corporations are forced to open production there.
                2. hostel
                  hostel 28 June 2020 22: 49 New
                  0
                  Are you sure that TSMC has its own technologies, and not American ones?
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 28 June 2020 23: 36 New
                    0
                    There are patents for any technology, it’s a mountain of money and their large corporations just don’t give it away. Otherwise, they would use the license of one or another developer. And so, on the contrary, they have a large customer base among Western buyers. Of course, they have close cooperation, but nevertheless, technology is not given away just like that.

                    There are exceptions, for example, the transfer of all Thunderbolt rights from Apple to Intel, but the upcoming 4th generation will be freely available, so everything that could be cut down has already been cut down, roughly speaking.
            2. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 28 June 2020 13: 36 New
              -4
              Quote: Boris55
              And there are a lot of such pictures in the internet ..

              Thank you, you'd better come to us at Kolyma.
      2. KCA
        KCA 28 June 2020 09: 35 New
        +9
        And what is the advantage of RK in electronics? In the number of transistors per square micron in the processor? So in a similar technique, size matters - the bigger the better, it’s not a smartphone for watching movies and games, a semiconductor amplifier for radar is good, but on generator radio tubes it’s better
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 43 New
          -22
          In all ....
          1. KCA
            KCA 28 June 2020 09: 47 New
            20
            Well, if they are the best in their own right, why did they need to hold a tender for the development of a medium-range air defense / missile defense system, and how did backward Russia win this tender, overtaking even the mega-supersuper of the United States? Why do mattress bases in Kazakhstan protect KM-SAM developed by Almaz-Antey?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 50 New
              -20
              Therefore, they have no experience in the air defense system and the air defense system is not only electronics. And because our help (especially at that time) and technology offer were at dumping prices. The Americans did not spoil their partners with technology. They didn't even want to sell the "ready" Patriot to the Turks.
              1. KCA
                KCA 28 June 2020 09: 56 New
                11
                It turns out that the advantage in the number of transistors per micron is not the most important thing? Doesn’t it help to create weapons in front of which backward Russia fades?
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 28 June 2020 11: 24 New
                  -11
                  Sure. SAM-technology complex. In some ways, the Russian Federation is strong, in something not. But the complex is working. And Koreans can replace our weaknesses. And creatively master our technology. And at the exit to get the complex is better.
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 28 June 2020 11: 37 New
                    +9
                    In order to creatively comprehend, it is necessary to have specialists of a comparable level, if there are none, who will comprehend? But technology is such a thing, it’s very complicated and unpredictable, there is such a bike, and maybe not a bike - during WWII, the quality of PPSH trunks produced sharply decreased, well, of course, checks, interrogations, as a result, it turned out that the barrel hardening master was sick and didn’t work, and it was at this time that the quality fell, after interrogation, he admitted that to increase productivity, he did not go to the toilet, but urinated in a barrel in which he tempered the trunks, such technologies
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 28 June 2020 11: 52 New
                      -8
                      Korea has technology and alloys and composites and trunks and communications and diesels and protected electronics. With their competencies they will be able to master. Following the example of the KiaHundai automobile industry, for example, for 20 years they have been sitting in the market. Moreover, all components of the gearbox, engine, system do it yourself. And this is their difference.
                    2. KCA
                      KCA 28 June 2020 12: 02 New
                      10
                      Well, that is, you do not know that Kia / Hyundai engines is a Korean licensed assembly of engines and Mitsubishi gearboxes, mainly, well, of other automakers? They don’t have their own nichrome, licenses and theft
                    3. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 28 June 2020 13: 00 New
                      -4
                      I know what they started with ..... are new in the know that modern engines and automatic transmissions (and robots with two clutches) are also Korean? And in Korea, a center has been built to develop engines, which in the world can be counted on the fingers of one hand. We will keep silent about garden diesel engines, as well as about shipbuilding.

                      Buying a license and mastering what you are not doing yourself is a great opportunity to master other people's technologies legally, quickly and efficiently.

                      And, in a good way, the purchase of technology is exactly what you need to spend $ received from the sale of raw materials. For 20 years of high prices, you could learn a lot of things.
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 29 June 2020 16: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Zaurbek
                And at the exit to get the complex is better.

                And How? SAM systems are the most technologically advanced in the world. 5th generation airplane is much simpler and cheaper.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 29 June 2020 16: 12 New
                  -1
                  Not easier or cheaper. A bunch of technologies are added there. This is a flying SAM
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv 29 June 2020 16: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  A bunch of technologies are added there. This is a flying SAM

                  Yeah. the air defense includes the world's best pilots. Simple patrol and special forces. Who guides them? Who allows flyers to misbehave a little "not professionally"?
                3. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 29 June 2020 16: 30 New
                  0
                  I didn’t get it ....
                4. Tusv
                  Tusv 29 June 2020 16: 38 New
                  -1
                  To understand, you must be a paramilitary. Ready to run faster than average. A little less than 12 seconds per hundred meters. And even without shoes
                5. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 29 June 2020 21: 18 New
                  0
                  Not fate, then.
                6. Tusv
                  Tusv 29 June 2020 21: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  Not fate, then.

                  Well, do not fon on the paramilitary themes. We are second after nuclear weapons.
                  Two soldiers from the construction battalion replace the excavator, and a soldier from the air defense replaces anyone.
                  And We are furious on this whole wrong world. Because flyers ground our production. Joke
  • Bongo
    Bongo 28 June 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: KCA
    Why do mattress bases in Kazakhstan protect KM-SAM developed by Almaz-Antey?

    We bet that the "mattress bases" of the KM-SAM air defense system do not protect?
    1. KCA
      KCA 28 June 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      The point of arguing? You can’t prove in any way that you’re not defending me, that I’m defending, my name is not Chun Doo-hwan, and I can’t say with 100% how you defend RK’s air defense system, or you’re a deeply conspired GRU agent in RK exact data?
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 28 June 2020 10: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: KCA
        The point of arguing?

        Then do not make unfounded allegations and engage in fantasies. No.
        Quote: KCA
        You can’t prove in any way that they don’t protect

        Then I’ll argue ... wink
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 28 June 2020 10: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          Then I’ll argue ...

          I remember one "patriot", foaming at the mouth, also arguing that before the delivery of the S-400, Turkey did not have its own air defense at all. wassat When a cycle on Turkish air defense was specially written for him, he replied: "I have not read it and I will not read it."
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 29 June 2020 04: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            I remember one "patriot", foaming at the mouth, also arguing that before the delivery of the S-400, Turkey did not have its own air defense at all.

            Especially for the next "patriot" I will review the air defense of the Republic of Korea. lol
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 29 June 2020 16: 12 New
            -2
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            I remember one "patriot", foaming at the mouth, also argued that before the delivery of the S-400, Turkey did not have its own air defense at all

            So now no. No foam. And before that, finally, the Patriots are rotational. A couple of S-400 regiments certainly make the weather, but talking about the Turkish national air defense (the Chinese won the tender. We carefully moved them) is still not correct
          3. Bongo
            Bongo 1 July 2020 01: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            So now no.
            wassat So why shame and demonstrate their incompetence?
            Start here, at the end of each publication, link to the previous one:
            https://topwar.ru/166415-postavka-rossijskih-zrs-s-400-v-turciju-i-vozmozhnye-posledstvija-jetogo-shaga.html.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 28 June 2020 11: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    In all ....

    laughing laughing laughing
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  • venik
    venik 28 June 2020 19: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    It does not export, but was created based on a joint development with Yu. Korea. So that a similar unit is produced by South Korea.

    =========
    It ("Vityaz") was created not on the basis of "joint development" with the Koreans, and Almaz-Antey won a tender for the development of a medium-range air defense system for Korea! The first radars and command posts were delivered to Korea from Russia in a completely finished form! The Koreans only developed missiles, and then on the basis of the developments (and "under the strict guidance") of Almaz-Antey .... It just took a long time for the leadership of the Ministry of Defense to prepare a replacement for the S-300PS and Buk M1. they were shown the ready-made KM-SAM - then they "bloated" ..... So, it was just KM-SAM that was created "based on" the early initiative developments of "Almaz-Antey"
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 29 June 2020 16: 35 New
      0
      Quote: venik
      Only when they were shown the ready-made KM-SAM - then they "bloated" ...

      In general, KM-SAM is a so-so complex. In fact, we only developed a BIUS for them. But Vityaz is a level with three types of missiles, where Reiteon is resting
      1. venik
        venik 29 June 2020 19: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        In general, KM-SAM is a so-so complex.

        ==========
        DPuna would argue - I won't! Well, don't you think that "Almaz-Antey" was "in a hurry" to share with the Koreans the best and secret developments? Nevertheless, the Koreans were satisfied: they have such did not have! drinks
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 29 June 2020 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: venik
          Dpunoy would argue - I won’t!

          To argue with the Guards Paramilitary about air defense systems ?. Well you said drinks
          1. venik
            venik 29 June 2020 19: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: venik
            Dpunoy would argue - I won’t!

            To argue with the Guards Paramilitary about air defense systems ?. Well you said drinks

            ======
            Sorry, "ochepyatka"! repeat
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 29 June 2020 19: 48 New
              0
              Quote: venik
              Sorry, "ochepyatka"

              Consider responding to a request. You can fly
  • Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 30 June 2020 01: 31 New
    0
    so cease to be majors ....
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 June 2020 09: 06 New
    +2
    It is noted that the S-350 differs from other Russian air defense systems in that it is fully digitized.

    As I understand it, our success in the application of digital technologies is much wider, today I met an info:
    Sources: Russia has experimented with using a swarm of fighters
    The interlocutor of the agency said that the experiment involved a group of Su-35 fighters, the role of the command and staff aircraft was performed by the Su-57
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 09: 36 New
    +5
    Well ,,, iron horse ,, replaces the peasant horse! (As they used to say ...) The S-350 replaces the S-300! Now, trace should expect the appearance of the S-450 to replace the S-400! With zuras, of the same type, 9M96; but with a longer range .. with greater reach in height ... perhaps with a marching ramjet ... autonomous warhead equipped with its own propulsion system ... ,, with a charge of at least 6 zur ...! And about the S-350 ... I won’t be surprised at the appearance of the PU 16 - ,, charging ,,!
    1. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 28 June 2020 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      S-350 replaces the S-300!

      To replace the S-300? The S-350 features closer to BUK.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 28 June 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        True, this is a different class with its own niche in separation.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 14: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: mikhailovich22
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        S-350 replaces the S-300!

        To replace the S-300? The S-350 features closer to BUK.

        I think that you guessed the figs! To do this, we compare the performance characteristics of the complexes .... SAM, Buk ,,: 9M317 zur: range-45 km; reach at an altitude of 25 km .... 9M317M zur: range-up to 70 km; range. in height, up to 35 km. SAM S-350. : incline range of 40 and 120 (150) km .... reachable at an altitude of 20 and 30 km. ... S-300: zur 48N6E-incline range of 150 km; reachable at an altitude of 27 km ... We distinguish: S-300-150 km and 27 km; S-350: 120 (150) km; and 30 km .... Then follows .... S-350-new ZRcomplex! This means that it may have an untapped modernization potential! There is an opinion that the S-400 is an improved S-300! ... You can say it from another perspective ... The S-350M is the S-450 in the future ... (optional ...) ...! At the same time, the development potential of the air defense system ,, Buk ,, comes to an end ....! Moreover, in the Moscow Oblast it was announced at the time that the S-350 is intended to replace the S-300PS and, possibly, the S-300PM ....!
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 June 2020 16: 43 New
      +2
      S-350 is an approximate modern equivalent of Buk.
      S-300 replaced by S-400.
      And S-500 - for transatmospheric missile defense.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 June 2020 20: 53 New
        +1
        And then Buk3M in which segment? Just a tracked chassis?
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 29 June 2020 13: 27 New
          0
          Although the Buk has a more expensive tracked chassis, missiles are much cheaper than the S-350. For in the S-350 missiles with ARGSN. Most likely, Buk will remain as a military air defense.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 29 June 2020 13: 41 New
            0
            Are you talking about Buk3M? He has a container outside similar to those of Vityaz.
            1. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 29 June 2020 13: 56 New
              0
              What does it matter how the containers look? The "head" of rockets is the most expensive. Moreover, the new 9M96 missiles are likely even more expensive than the S-300 missiles, although they are several times smaller in size, but not in size. Therefore, they will not replace Beech.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 29 June 2020 14: 59 New
                0
                So 350go not all missiles with AGSN. This is one of the arsenal. The main ones are more traditional.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        S-350 is an approximate modern equivalent of Buk.
        S-300 replaced by S-400.
        And S-500 - for transatmospheric missile defense.

        And the fig, goat button accordion ,,? Whole two, Buka ,,? ,, Buk ,, and ,, equivalent of Buk ,,? Even the Ministry of Defense stated that the S-350 is intended, first of all, to replace the S-300PS and, possibly, the S-300PM ....... The S-400 replaces the S-300PM and S-300PM2 ... S - 500- "autocratic ruler" who is "on his own"! Yes, the S-400 was originally intended to replace the S-300! But, later it turned out that the S-400 is a very expensive replacement for the S-300! Therefore, the S-350 is a cheaper replacement for the S-300 than the S-400! (
        ,, Do not teach me how to live, better help financially! ,,)
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 June 2020 09: 40 New
    -5
    - The story is very simple. We could not reach out in due time - under the previous leadership of the country until 2000 - that a new modern medium-range complex was needed in Russia, since more than 50 S-300PS complexes simply ceased to exist by 2015 due to the achievement of deadlines and must be disposed of. Need a replacement. Not reached. After that, we won an international tender with the Americans and the French in South Korea. And they concluded with considerable difficulties an export contract to develop for her such a medium-range complex - KM-SAM. We learned to work with imported elemental base - there were no restrictions. We have already successfully delivered two locators there and now we are supplying the third one. In Korea, firing with their missiles at their targets is already underway.

    Before the departure, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense (Russia. - "Kommersant") was invited and showed a working South Korean model in the shop, after which the experimental design work was also open for the Russian army - with a different look and other improved tactical and technical characteristics. This work has been going on since 2007 in record time. We have been assigned the task of making new equipment from scratch in five years. Such tasks were solved in five years only during the time of Lavrenty Beria, when Almaz (then KB-1 - Kommersant) made the first S-25 air defense systems for Moscow in five years. Now we are working on the stage of creating design documentation. Next year - a prototype, and in 2013 we must complete state tests.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 June 2020 10: 35 New
      +8
      Zaurbek is what a stream of muddy consciousness? An attempt to show Russia cinereous, incapable of independently making modern weapons? And then we did C400 secretly on the basis of Japanese microelectronics, and in Japan, if you follow your logic. ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 June 2020 11: 09 New
        -4
        Not. If you talk about the complex, so tell.
        About unparalleled in the world already tired. Moreover, the cost of technology begins to be compared with the western one and dumping cannot be taken. S-350 is a nice modern complex.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 June 2020 10: 03 New
    0
    Let them envy and crush their teeth from anger.
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  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 June 2020 10: 32 New
    +3
    Anti-aircraft defense is a comprehensive defense in layered defense and the Knight in it is one of the links ... and judging by the open information, reliable and advanced weapons ...
  • sedoj
    sedoj 28 June 2020 10: 43 New
    0
    A short video on the topic:

    [media = ]
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 28 June 2020 11: 05 New
      +1
      I inserted a video about "Knight", some nonsense was inserted. negative
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 28 June 2020 11: 33 New
        +2
        I will try again:
  • YuryPVO
    YuryPVO 28 June 2020 11: 30 New
    +7
    Regarding radio electronics in the Republic of Kazakhstan, I will express my opinion. The basis of any electronic components are electronic components. So here is the most advanced and complete line of digital components developed in the USA. It is clear that engineers are there from all over the world, including and countries of the former USSR. Components are produced in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but they are mainly commercial. The components of the military and space production categories of the Republic of Kazakhstan have not been met in my activity, but I personally know several specialists from Belarus who worked in the Republic of Kazakhstan under a contract for the development of military products based on American components. As for the element base of the S400, S350 air defense systems, it is Russian. Digital microcircuits such as programmable matrices were developed by domestic engineers, but produced under a contract in Taiwan with a large margin.
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 28 June 2020 12: 15 New
      -2
      As for the element base of the S400, S350 air defense systems, it is Russian. Digital microcircuits such as programmable matrices were developed by domestic engineers, but produced under a contract in Taiwan with a large margin

      Is this Russian called when all the production of the elementary base is in a foreign country?
      And okay, it would have been necessary to produce a couple of thousand air defense systems in 5 years, but the volumes are scanty, who is stopping the purchase of equipment for lithography abroad and opening my own enterprise? But of course, modern Russia does not need
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 June 2020 13: 14 New
        +1
        It was designed with us .... according to the scheme completed .... our characteristics, no bookmarks. What else do you need? The only negative is a little and expensive because of this.
      2. YuryPVO
        YuryPVO 28 June 2020 13: 42 New
        +5
        The problem is that equipment for growing crystals of the desired density (size and number of transistors per square millimeter) is not sold to us. These are high technologies. With the collapse of the USSR, this direction was poher, switched to foreign microcircuits. Now we are reaping the benefits. Trump heard that American microchips such as military and space are made under a contract in Taiwan, and issued a directive to let the Taiwanese transfer the production of these microchips to the United States. Let's see what this is for us auknetsza.
      3. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 29 June 2020 14: 09 New
        -1
        "who prevents to buy equipment for lithography abroad and open your own enterprise" Such a simple one. =)) Do you know how much the "entrance ticket" to semiconductor production costs now? Very expensive, even if very bu. And, by the way, they interfere actively - the State Department (since it will not issue permits for the export of components), passively - all sorts of Dutchmen who charge crazy money for storage and logistics if you want to buy, for example, used equipment at a piece rate. And gate matrices are a great thing, the performance of modern ones is already quite high, in which case some can be replaced by others, the logic is hidden from outsiders: if you want, program individual sets of logic for each customer.
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 30 June 2020 15: 57 New
          -1
          So simple. =)) Do you know how much the "entrance ticket" to semiconductor production costs now?

          Well, yes, it’s easier to hire you with a vocational school for 10 thousand to praise the government than to establish real production, on that the whole country is holding on
          1. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 30 June 2020 16: 33 New
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            Then you farted into a puddle, intellectual, bgg. Unfortunately, Russia's misfortune is incompetence, every cook or sofa intellectual is able to "establish real production", in words it is true, in the main. I'll give you one tip, "Angstrem T", read about one attempt to "establish real production". A modern FAB cannot be built in Russia, because there are absolutely no competencies in this. You can grimace, call names and shit on the forums as much as you want, it won't change anything.
  • Alexap
    Alexap 28 June 2020 22: 12 New
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    "In the West it is marked" - where is the source? Or was the author recently in the West and heard something?
  • meandr51
    meandr51 29 June 2020 12: 22 New
    +1
    [quote = Boris55] [quote = Zaurbek] And given the advantage of Yu.K. in electronics. [/ quote]
    "The assembly shop is not a design bureau. Technologies will cease to arrive and the South will immediately turn into the North."
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    Will not turn. North has its own technology. And they are even taken into account ...