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New, but not the best. Reflections on the new Vintorez

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Since the beginning of the 90s of the XX century, almost immediately after the fall of the "Iron Curtain" on those interested history and the current state of affairs regarding small arms weapons The USSR and the new Russia collapsed a shaft of different information. All possible channels were open, and people suddenly began to learn about seemingly secret and unique samples developed by domestic designers.


The very first reaction to such information was euphoria: every sample is unique. Many people probably remember the series of articles in the suddenly appeared weapons and "somewhere nearby" magazines about "Russian whisper", "assault constructor for special forces", etc., etc. Time passed, unrestrained enthusiasm was replaced by more balanced estimates, and then louder and louder voices began to be heard about "hopelessly outdated", "not meeting modern requirements", "requiring modernization."

Omitting the question of by whom and on the basis of what arguments the decisions were made on the modernization of specific models, since this is a matter of a separate, long and thorough discussion, I would like to analyze in this material the result of the legendary modernization of faithfully serving the Soviet Union and then the Russian Federation " Vintoreza ".

The rifle was developed by the design team of TsNIItochmash under the leadership of Pyotr Ivanovich Serdyukov (08.12.1945/400/XNUMX). Designed to hit targets with a minimum level of unmasking shooter factors at ranges up to XNUMX m.

The rifle is automatic, allows firing as single shots, and bursts. The barrel is locked at six combat stops when turning the shutter. It is equipped with a PSO-1M2-1 optical sight and a 1PN51 night sight. On the receiver on the left side are marked the numbers of day and night sights, supplied with a rifle. The package includes five 10-charge magazines, an automatic belt 6Sh5 for carrying weapons, a cartridge pouch 6Sh18 for shops and spare parts, a pencil case with accessories for cleaning, an oiler and a ramrod.

Optical and night sights are mounted on a standard side bar located on the left side of the receiver. Installation and removal of sights are carried out without the use of a tool, they are carried out quickly and do not cause difficulties with the correct adjustment of the clamp. Contrary to popular belief, when reinstalling sights (even multiple), the battle of the rifle does not change.


In addition to the optical, the rifle has a mechanical open sight, on the bar of which there are divisions from "10" to "42", corresponding to ranges from 100 to 425 meters. The resolution of the range setting is 25 meters.

All the splendor described above "stopped responding" and "required modernization." Immediate and, apparently, any. Including at all costs.

A modernized version of Vintorez is invited to the stage - product 6P29M Vintorez-M.


Of the visible changes, attention is immediately drawn to the new metal butt of the skeletal type with a butt pad adjustable in length and a cheek adjustable in height. The next visible difference is the lack of a side bar. Its function is now carried by the Picatinny rail mounted on the hinged lid of the receiver.


The PSO-1M2-1 sight now takes the 1P86 scope of variable magnification, which varies discretely, having two values: 1Х and 4Х.

Further changes relate to the configuration of the rifle. Now the set of the modernized Vintorez includes four 10-charge and four 20-charge stores. The latter is, obviously, a positive point, since firing from Vintorez and similar weapons is always carried out at short ranges, extremely rarely exceeding the 100-meter line, and in these situations the increased store capacity provides a significantly greater practical rate of fire. If before the fighters, by hook or by crook, sought to grab at least one “Valovsky” store on a business trip, now this issue can be considered closed. A little frustrating is the fact that the pouch for shops is not included in the package. I would like to believe that in the future this misunderstanding will be eliminated. As before, the kit includes a carrying strap for the rifle. In contrast to the 6Sh5 wide automatic belt that was previously included in the kit, which has high strength and is close to optimal rigidity, the BCCM is equipped with a narrow and extremely "nimble" belt. In addition, the VSSM rifle does not have a rear swivel, in connection with which the owner will have to fantasize on the topic "where to attach the belt." I must say right away that my imagination was not enough: it was not possible to find a place when attaching the belt to which the rifle was convenient to carry and the belt would not interfere with the manipulation of the weapon.

The bipod has become a completely new element with which the BCCM is equipped. The bipod is installed on the Picatinny rail. The slats are located on the bottom and on both sides of the split cage, which is worn on the muffler and fixed on it by tightening the cage screws. The design of the bipod and clips are such that the minimum height of the line of fire when firing from the bipod exceeds 220 mm and is excessive. "Creep" on the surface, minimizing the silhouette, when firing using the proposed bipod type "a la Harris" will not work.

New, but not the best. Reflections on the new Vintorez

In addition to the bipod, other elements can be installed on the clip, for example, the handle included in the kit. The presence of a handle rifle in the kit is a moot point, since the rifle is not an assault weapon. To call the handle a drawback, of course, is by no means possible, but the desirability of installing it on a rifle is doubtful.

The last element that distinguishes the BCCM configuration from the previous Vintorez is an additional ramrod link. Now the ramrod is screwed in two parts and is almost twice as long, which makes it easy to clean the rifle muffler.

To be continued ...
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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 29 June 2020 05: 32
    17
    Thanks to the author for the information. hi Only now, from him, I learned about the appearance of the modernized Vintorez. I never dealt with sniper systems, but it was still interesting to read. I will wait for the continuation. soldier
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 29 June 2020 12: 44
      +7
      New, but not the best. Reflections on the new Vintorez

      Masterpiece!!!
    2. Ingenegr
      29 June 2020 19: 45
      +4
      Thank you To be continued.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 30 June 2020 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: Ingenegr
        Thank you To be continued.

        I would like to know, but the author himself held both products in his hands and did he have experience of their operation in the army? This is necessary, if only to understand on the basis of which the author draws conclusions about these weapons.
  2. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 29 June 2020 06: 00
    +2
    Butt patterned-not for saving wood weaving .... Make a metal hole. Bend it with a stamp. Turn-milling parts .......... Butt is where the money is hidden .........
  3. Charik
    Charik 29 June 2020 06: 26
    +1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMTKxPr24E
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 29 June 2020 06: 42
    +1
    Thanks to the author
    SVD held in his hands (did not shoot) and learned about the "Vintorez" from the action series, and from later articles, like this one.
  5. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 29 June 2020 07: 17
    +4
    VSS Vintorez and AS Val are identical.
    In my opinion, such an upgrade is a conventional tuning, the so-called. "tactical body kit".

    This complex is designed to perform "narrow tasks", moreover, more police in urban environments.
    Cons:
    - weapons demanding cleaning;
    - relative noiselessness;
    - with careless handling, the receiver cover is deformed.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 June 2020 07: 57
      +3
      - with careless handling, the receiver cover is deformed.
      And now it also has a bar that also starts to mow. And the overall result of modernization? They made a simple tuning, do not understand why. Especially the new sight killed me - having two meanings: 1X and 4X..
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 29 June 2020 08: 17
        +3
        recourse
        There is a saying: "the best is the enemy of all the best"
        I agree, the new butt with individual adjustment under the arrow - yes.
        But the bipod, too much.
      2. Ingenegr
        29 June 2020 09: 36
        +7
        Quote: NDR-791
        Especially the new sight killed me - having two meanings: 1X and 4X ..

        It's not bad. Otherwise, the Canadian Elcans SpecterDR, which have fixed values ​​of multiplicity 1-4 or 1,5-6, would not have been so popular. Specific performance and important details are another matter. I'll touch on it in the sequel.
      3. Kalmar
        Kalmar 29 June 2020 09: 37
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        And now it also has a bar that also starts to mow

        In general, it is believed that a sniper rifle should be handled as gently as possible. If it is used instead of a baton, then even without deformation of the cover / bar, the optics settings will be lost.

        Quote: NDR-791
        They made a simple tuning, do not understand why.

        Following modern trends)) Although, here is that tuning something: well, the bar was added, an adjustable butt (in the photo it looks like a home-made garage, to be honest), the rest is like that, on trifles.

        Quote: NDR-791
        having two meanings: 1X and 4X

        Why not? 1x - for short distances and quick work on several targets, 4x - for more accurate shooting. Given the small range of BCC working distances, these two values ​​may be sufficient.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 29 June 2020 10: 47
          +1
          Modern thermal imaging sights are more important there.
        2. Ingenegr
          29 June 2020 14: 54
          +3
          Quote: Kalmar
          In general, it is believed that a sniper rifle should be handled as gently as possible. If it is used instead of a baton, then even without deformation of the cover / bar, the optics settings will be lost.

          And it is also believed that everyone should comply with traffic rules, there should be no corruption, that bread should always be fresh and much, much more. But life is harder. It is only in the film that the hero of Billy Zane, when falling from a cliff, manages to keep the weapon intact. In reality, this is extremely difficult. Especially if you, on your last legs, besides a rifle, drag another 50-70% of your weight, not even in a straight line, but from hill to hill, but along gully, and even overwhelmed with thirst, and with your eyes flooded with sweat flowing from your forehead and then .
          Fairy tales and slogans are good. This is for patriotism. Realists drag service, and the reliability and service strength of weapons is a very important element of confidence in the success of a mission.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 29 June 2020 15: 14
            +3
            Quote: Ingenegr
            reliability and service strength of a weapon is a very important element of confidence in the success of a mission.

            Of course. The question is what exactly needs to be done with "Vintorez" in order to significantly deform the cover with the strip. If she wrinkles in her hands - it's bad. If you need to apply it on a tree a couple of times in a big way - a completely different story.
      4. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 3 July 2020 09: 20
        +1
        but why do you need more? The main complaint was earlier that with a big scope you can’t shoot at short distances, so they set up a changeable ratio
    2. Ingenegr
      29 June 2020 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Cons:
      - weapons demanding cleaning;
      - relative noiselessness;
      - with careless handling, the receiver cover is deformed.

      There are even more real minuses. The question is that the advantages in some cases seriously outweigh these disadvantages and in these cases make the BCC and AC practically an ideal weapon. As they say, each vegetable has its own place.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 29 June 2020 09: 49
        0
        There were two Shafts in our unit.
        He called the cons offhand from the point of view of the conscript, although he was trained at the level of the reconnaissance shooter or soldier of the SPN detachment.
    3. Alex Belostockij
      Alex Belostockij 2 July 2020 08: 52
      0
      Quote: Lynx2000
      VSS Vintorez and AS Val are identical.

      Not really. BCC more accurate weapons (based on destination)
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 2 July 2020 09: 30
        +1
        In your opinion, structurally, what makes the Vintorez more accurate than the Shaft?
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 29 June 2020 08: 53
    0
    Instead of a belt to the butt, you can tie a rope. laughing In the pictures, the sights are different. On the bottom, apparently a diopter sight
    1. Ingenegr
      29 June 2020 09: 27
      +4
      A diopter sight is a mechanical sighting device. In the lower photo, a prismatic sight from Pilad P2.5x24L with a magnification of 2,5 is installed on the rifle. A very compact and lightweight scope. I have always treated the Pilad optics with some disdain, but I consider this sight to be a very promising product. Fresh product, not devoid of some "childhood" diseases, but already now worth more than asking for it.
  7. Alexander X
    Alexander X 29 June 2020 09: 54
    +4
    It is confusing that the Piccatini rail under the OP is mounted on a movable thin-walled cover. How much can the aiming point go off when the lid is repeatedly opened. Or is it now a target after each disassembly?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 June 2020 17: 49
      +2
      Quote: Alexander X
      It is confusing that the Piccatini rail under the OP is mounted on a movable thin-walled cover.

      the same garbage, in my humble opinion, you don’t need a strap on the lid, you need a strap - add an adapter bracket to the kit (since it’s not so expensive - you can use both standard sights and AKOG, EoTek with x3 attachment, but at least put the bald line to increase) ...

      Next, the butt - why do you need it from metal, I don’t understand (in the photo there is a feeling that the VSK-94 butt was rethought), when the same polymers (yes the same plastic) are preferable, remake the wooden butt with the addition of a cheek and adjust the length (they do it in the West and do not see any problems in it) ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 30 June 2020 22: 52
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        when the same polymers (yes the same plastic) are preferable

        Do you not know where "all the polymers" are and what was done with them? lol
  8. garri-lin
    garri-lin 29 June 2020 10: 31
    +6
    How cool to spoil a good thing and still not look like a fool. Although not. The creators of this tuning look like a fool. Of the advantages, only full-time twenty-charge stores.
  9. beeper
    beeper 29 June 2020 10: 54
    11
    When I first saw (in my opinion, also on VO) the "modernized" VSS, I immediately remembered about "the best is the enemy of the good"! yes
    A good highly specialized combat sniper rifle was "improved" by clearly "sports" designers, who absolutely do not imagine the conditions of operation and combat use of "Vintorez", who have never plowed the ground with a belly, cliffs above the abyss, when any additional "bulge" or "squiggle" on the equipment and weapons of a fighter can cost his life not only to him, not to mention the "straw" of extra grams of load that "aches the camel's back" ... request
    Such a mega-grasping openwork buttstock is good on a sports rifle (some thread of the prize "Anschutz"), but not on a special forces "sniper", because in a short fight, the "additional function" - "to move the butt" is not superfluous! yes
    There, basically, only the butt cheek "asked for" - it could be made of profiled hard foam (the same with several standard sizes along the length of the linings, with a strict socket for the butt plate, for a specific shooter, without backlash attached to the butt with ordinary plastic ties, in addition, the foam is also the additional buoyancy of the weapon when crossing wink ), covered with a thin strong material, pleasant to the body in both heat and cold! So that, in the transport position, the cheek piece on flexible "cuffs" is tucked into the selection of the butt, without protruding "beyond the size" ....
    An integral long ramrod for cleaning the barrel and silencer would fit perfectly, with the mount, on top of the silencer, in the longitudinal holes of the pads of the mechanical sight and front sight.
    Light-duty adjustable bipods (in the raid, at the request of the shooter) from a duralumin (or titanium) sheet profile could be hinged with the same ramrod - it would be possible to move them along a muffler over a wide range. winked
    It would be possible to work on the shape, length and profile of the rifle forend. At the request of the customer, by equipping it with a "sports" internal groove for longitudinally adjustable fastening of the sling swivel (bipod and handle).

    The main attention during the modernization, I would pay to the "insides" of the VSS, purposefully working on the elimination of all "drips" for soot and dirt. To simplify and facilitate cleaning after shooting, the main "crap" of the Serdyukov rifle. winked
    Mounting the sights would have left the same wedge-shaped side, only worried about making lightweight durable adapters with a short Picatinny rail for it (just in case).
    Since, with a rather steep trajectory of the bullets of the SP-5 and SP-6 cartridges, it is better to use its standard sights with VSS, taking into account this important nuance (which many sofa observers who deify imported "optics" and "collimators" forget about, alas! ).
    Established 20-charge stores in a set for 10-charge is nice! good
    In general, I believe that the really significant parameters of the ARIA, as a military weapon of special forces, were worsened by these insufficiently thought out, IMHO, purely "commercial", "improvements", clearly designed to "expand the sales market" at the expense of consumers from the "civilian segment (with the aim of the manufacturer "Vintorez" supplies "for export" ...., probably, to millions of arms fans of the United States ?!))) "! request
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 29 June 2020 13: 33
      0
      Quote: pishchak
      In general, I believe that the really significant parameters of the ARIA, as a military weapon of special forces, were worsened by these insufficiently thought out, IMHO-purely "commercial", "improvements", clearly designed to "expand the sales market" at the expense of consumers from the "civilian segment (with the aim of the manufacturer "Vintorez" supplies "for export" ...., probably, to millions of arms fans of the USA ?!)))

      The question arises - how then such a product was accepted by the State Commission, in which the chairman was at least the head of the department from the ordering structures and several officers representing the services where the new weapon will be used. Something here somehow does not fit the "civilian" segment, because for all the complaints from the troops, first of all, the one who approved the Act of the State Commission and further downward will receive a blow. They then signed the act and agreeing that all the customer's requirements were met, with the exception of shortcomings, they understood that the product would go into production, and then they would be responsible for everything, moreover with their careers, or even legal proceedings if it comes to the death of people.
      On the whole, without refuting your comments on the new product, I would still like to know how those who receive the upgraded weapons will really appreciate it and their opinion, which they will then submit in the reports, will be decisive in assessing how successful the new design is . Now, as I understand it, nobody really tested the product in the army, and the author of the article did not report whether there were military tests of prototypes.
      1. beeper
        beeper 29 June 2020 15: 47
        +2
        hi VSS-Soviet sniper weapons, tested for decades in the ranks, the death of people from his bullets, of course, was and will be, it is intended for this!
        No fundamental changes have been made to the design of the "firearm" - all changes are external. So you can't formally pick on a security breach - if you caught a sticking out "Picatinny rail" on a stone in the mountains, with a "squiggly" fishnet butt for a wire or a branch, unmasked yourself (and the group!), Or fell, hesitated because of an unexpected catch on the run , stayed for an extra second in full view of a well-aimed enemy shooter (observer-spotter), fell off a cliff - "bad soldier, it's his own fault" ?!
        Who will remember the sticking out "picatinnyhs" and "squiggles", who will bring lawsuits against the big-star "commissars" ?! winked
        The "responsibility" of Taburetkin and his maruha showed everything to everyone - after all, the higher the rank and position, the more chances they are to escape real responsibility when "cutting the military budget" ?!
        And the ranks in the peacetime army help diligent and obedient officers who do not argue with their superiors and meekly wave "the necessary papers", isn't that so ?!
        Such "compromisers" rarely stay in one place — they go for a promotion!
        Even those who started as a summer in the special forces, "swear" over the years, "fit" on the "floor", and they (
        never to designers-gunsmiths or snipers!) definitely not up to the technical details and nuances of some kind of rifle (from which, maybe, they didn't even shoot in their youth ?!), especially if "everything is presented at its best ", and after a successful acceptance, a luxurious banquet and" looming "some kind of" gratitude "from the manufacturer interested in financing ??!
        This is not our Soviet Union (where there were also intrigues in competitions - we are all people, all people ...), but the current "capitalism" and "market relations", who dared and ate it! request
        The realities of life, so to speak!
        How many unsuccessful small arms have been adopted in the Russian army (amusing the "creative self-expression" of "so seeing" designers and the unreasonable generals' ambitions for a "wunderwaffe" that is "amazingly" superior to that of "partners") into service and will still be accepted ?!
        I only, "from my bell tower" and with the best intentions (although, as the "classic" remarked, "the road to hell is paved with the best intentions!" winked ) expressed his personal opinion on the "improved" "Vintorez", maybe erroneous, I do not impose! IMHO
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 29 June 2020 18: 20
          +2
          Quote: pishchak
          And the ranks in the peacetime army help diligent and obedient officers who do not argue with their superiors and meekly wave "the necessary papers", isn't that so ?!

          No, not that, because Vintorez was also created in peacetime - there was no big war, and those who led the development themselves went through Afghanistan. If everything turned out well for them, why can't they do it now?
          Quote: pishchak
          Such "compromisers" rarely stay in one place — they go for a promotion!

          I knew those who led the development of Vintorez - there were no special promotions there, and one of them even went to jail after the explosive thefts in the Chuchkovskaya brigade were revealed, and they wanted to drag him into the Kholodov case.
          Quote: pishchak
          from which, m. didn’t even shoot in his youth ?!

          Those who led the development of Vintorez were themselves from special forces and had military orders for Afghanistan, so you are fundamentally wrong.
          Quote: pishchak
          This is not our Soviet Union

          I completely agree with this - then really everything was much more serious about the assigned business. But I also see the current officers - I can’t say that they are complete nonsense and have thrown a bolt into the service. Of course, they are no longer Soviet in spirit, but nevertheless they know the matter, and it makes me happy.
          Quote: pishchak
          I just, "from my bell tower" and with the best of intentions (although, as the "classic" remarked, "the road to hell is paved with the best intentions!) I expressed my personal opinion on the" improved "Vintorez, maybe erroneous - not at all imposing! IMHO

          Believe me, I also decided not just to scratch the language, but wanted to get feedback from those who had experience with both the previous model and the upgraded product. I think that over time we will learn the truth from those who had the opportunity to compare these products when used in difficult conditions. So let's wait for now to make an assessment of this modernization.
          1. beeper
            beeper 29 June 2020 18: 28
            0
            hi I wrote specifically about the modernized "Vintorez" and the possible "motives" for its "improvement" and acceptance, and not about the creation and acceptance into service of the Soviet-style VSS, which has shown itself quite well in combat use during these decades!
        2. barium
          barium 4 July 2020 08: 56
          0
          as the papers sign, for all sorts of decisions in the army, I recall 71 g. from virgin lands, harvesting, the dead GAZ-63 returned. transferred them to a citizen, in the Tomsk region. for loading at the railway station, one gas-63, dragged a couple of dead lawns so that the Tomsk representatives would sign the acceptance of this equipment, they were well drunk! as a result of TWO echelons with lawns killed, they left for Tomsk Oblast. Apparently, the acceptance of the improved VINTORESA took place in a similar way!
          1. beeper
            beeper 4 July 2020 10: 02
            -1
            hi She also know, comrade Bariy, how any "necessary papers" are signed "correctly", not only in our Soviet Army it was! yes
            "Parquet generals" were usually "before the lamp" all "hardships and deprivations of military service" of ordinary subordinates! IMHO
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 4 July 2020 13: 02
            0
            Quote: barium
            the dead GAZ-63 returned. transferred them to a citizen, in the Tomsk region. for loading at the railway station, one gas-63, dragged a couple of dead lawns so that the Tomsk representatives would sign the acceptance of this equipment, they were well drunk!

            You probably don’t know what kind of vehicles were sent to the virgin lands from the districts and groups of troops, which is why you are perplexed by the condition of the cars that indulged in civilian structures for money, though small. I had to deal with this issue in the GSVG and I know how, according to the order of the car service, the commanders picked up the equipment for the virgin soil, given that it will be deducted from the main accounting unit. There it was the most important thing to equip it with a tool and drive it under its own power onto the platform, and how this equipment will work on the virgin lands, the commanders were not very sad. True, there were formidable orders, but it was all a damn thing by and large - the main thing was the legal opportunity to clean the fleet of old equipment so as not to drive it to overhaul, because it is much more difficult to commission a repair plant than to send it to the virgin lands.
            As for Vintorez, here you are fundamentally wrong, because even a very drunk chairman of the state commission is not stupid enough to sign a verdict for himself if the fact of fraud with the adoption of a modernized model, the previous analogue of which proved itself well in special forces, comes up.
    2. Bucky Capter
      Bucky Capter 29 June 2020 21: 12
      +3
      To me, too, the new butt seemed sportive and tourist, but not for a military outlet. I can’t say anything about the new sight, because I didn’t rotate it in my hands. The mounting system for sights on the cover of the ck seems to have worked out normally and people don’t complain, but ... I would still leave a regular dovetail, because the sights for subsonic bombs under the picatinny rail in the army are not yet very well preserved (unlike PSO-1M2- 1) and when a regular sight fails, it will hurt.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 30 June 2020 23: 08
      +2
      Quote: pishchak
      supplies "for export" ...., probably, to millions of US arms fans ?!)))

      I'd buy. Yes, sorry, they do not offer here, neither a rifle, nor ammunition. And finally, since it is, in principle, capable of firing bursts, it, at least without the corresponding modification, is illegal under federal law. And in many states and stores with more than 10 rounds are prohibited.
      And, yes, the silencer is also built-in. In many states, simply owning a silencer is already a deadline. It is believed that only a criminal can want his shots to be muffled. So in the dash you have to insert the earplugs in your ears and put on the headphones on top. My Nagan in this sense is still nothing, but if someone nearby shoots from a .45 or Magnum .357 babakhalka, there is still ringing in the ears even with protection.
  10. KSVK
    KSVK 29 June 2020 12: 27
    +1
    Yeah, the best is the enemy of the good.
    Due to the skeletal butt in weight gain, of course, but the adjustable butt plate-IMHO bust. It is unlikely that anyone will often shoot from a table while sitting. And the recoil there is a little stronger than that of a small one. But the cheek is normal. High bipods when shooting prone from loose soils are not a problem - they drowned a little and normal in the ground. A removable bipod bar is also good, you can hook a flashlight and a laser designator, which is useful. But the picatinny on the lid is controversial. I don't really believe in the reliability of the hinge and, accordingly, in the stability of the STP after opening. And yes, for the "civil" market, none of this will work. We have prohibited devices that reduce the sound of a shot. And here it is integrated. Erzatsy that is already. They are only close to the original product only in appearance. And the price tag there is a horse. And the cartridge of subsonic practical value for "civilian" has no. For training, an ordinary melkan is better, but for hunting it is rather weak.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 29 June 2020 13: 51
      +1
      Why a flashlight and a laser pointer on a screw cutter? Bipod screw cutting why?
      1. KSVK
        KSVK 29 June 2020 14: 24
        +1
        In general, the BCC is not exactly an army weapon. Maximum for scouts. And the flashlight and the LCU and the bipod fit perfectly. IMHO, of course.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 29 June 2020 15: 54
          +4
          The essence of the screw cutter is stealth. Both the LCC and the flashlight are unmasking factors. And for the "non-army" and for intelligence. Better to lower the sound even more. And a good, compact night sight. Domestic and mass.
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      3. ccsr
        ccsr 29 June 2020 18: 26
        +3
        Quote: garri-lin
        Bipod screw cutting why?

        Indeed, with a firing range of 400 m, this is necessary for the commandos as a stop signal. They do not allow even full-height targets to rise to such distances, and thereby sometimes spoil the mechanism - he himself was a witness to this.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 29 June 2020 19: 35
          0
          Strength rules.
  11. Passing
    Passing 29 June 2020 15: 28
    +1
    Judging by the photo, the pistol grip is not ergonomic. In real life, he did not keep either old or new, only Kalashnikov’s. But here you look at the photo of any western hilt, and intuitively understand that it will be comfortable with a grip, and then something angularly subjective is seen, thickening to the top, and striving to squeeze up from the grip.
  12. KSVK
    KSVK 29 June 2020 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: garri-lin
    The essence of the screw cutter is stealth. Both the LCC and the flashlight are unmasking factors. And for the "non-army" and for intelligence.


    Well, as it were, the dimensions of the BCC allow it to be used in assault operations. The second whispered for automatic fire again. wink So that the LC and the flashlight will be in place. For certain tasks. yes

    Quote: garri-lin

    Better still lower the sound. And a good, compact night sight. Domestic and mass.


    Lower the sound IMHO will not work anymore. BCC has the main sound from the operation of the automation. And the night light is already yesterday. We need a thermal imager. Only this is from the realm of fantasy. In terms of its (greenhouse) "homeland" and mass character.
  13. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 29 June 2020 19: 14
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    Quote: Lynx2000
    VSS Vintorez and AS Val are identical.
    In my opinion, such an upgrade is a conventional tuning, the so-called. "tactical body kit".

    This complex is designed to perform "narrow tasks", moreover, more police in urban environments.
    Cons:
    - weapons demanding cleaning;
    - relative noiselessness;
    - with careless handling, the receiver cover is deformed.

    ... however, the trend .. the same Kalashnikovtsy went the same way for the AK-12 is that..and what did he get away from the AK-74M ??? .. and what’s funny .. this approach goes everywhere .. at least in the domestic rifleman ... mittens .. however ..
  14. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik 30 June 2020 05: 08
    +1
    So many changes aimed at improving the ease of use, and the author still wrote the headline like that, one would think that the weapons story had ended on the AKM .... Probably only with a dubious refusal from the side mount of the optics I will refuse. If the receiver cover is attached like on a PKK, then the fighters will have quite a few pleasant minutes with the weapon in normal combat after several changes of sights. Such a mount is only suitable for a collimator or a very light optical sight. But not for a night light or decent optics.
  15. fider
    fider 30 June 2020 05: 59
    -1
    The butt is a "masterpiece" from the last century. The degradation is complete.
  16. krops777
    krops777 30 June 2020 07: 49
    +2
    I had a chance to work with the BCC in my time, I think this is one of the best examples of sniper weapons in the world.
  17. IL-64
    IL-64 1 July 2020 08: 59
    +1
    Were the designers able to provide the required rigidity of the receiver cover fastening so that it would not hang out and after opening and closing would occupy the same uniform position? Something I’ll point out, Slavik! (from)
  18. Russian Central Asian
    Russian Central Asian 4 August 2020 15: 33
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    Honestly, I didn’t have a chance to hold this weapon in my hands when I served myself, we didn’t have this before. But judging by the photo, all the modernization was carried out according to the principle "let's do it like the bourgeoisie, it will meet modern trends, and we will also raise money for easy money" The transition from a dovetail mount to a picatinny rail is complete nonsense and insanity. mounted on the receiver is definitely better than the bar mounted on the receiver cover. Bipods are probably needed, but you don't have to think about any secrecy at a distance of using weapons. About the butt, everything has already been written before me. The only pluses are the stores of larger capacity in the kit and a long ramrod.
  19. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 10 August 2020 15: 23
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    What is difficult to make a bipod with a variable mounting height? Now there are various options for this pribluda.
  20. Ruslan Rzayev
    Ruslan Rzayev 14 August 2020 15: 36
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    Quote: Kalmar

    Quote: NDR-791
    having two meanings: 1X and 4X

    Why not? 1x - for short distances and quick work on several targets, 4x - for more accurate shooting. Given the small range of BCC working distances, these two values ​​may be sufficient.

    On VSSK and SVD will not work.