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The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

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The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

Tests of the latest Russian Zircon hypersonic missile from the surface ship continue. According to TASS, citing two sources in the defense industry complex, the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has already reached the sea ranges of the North fleet for conducting second test firing a hypersonic missile.


According to agency sources, the frigate went to sea for test launches, which will take place over the next two weeks. Sources also noted that an extensive test program for the Zircon from the Admiral Gorshkov was planned for 2020, the ship was supposed to make up to seven missile launches, but the tests had to be moved due to the coronavirus.

On Saturday, Gorshkov sailed from the Belomorsky Naval Base for a second test launch of the Zircon missile. The timeline has moved significantly - the second launch was originally supposed to take place in mid-spring

- the agency quotes the word sources.

It is not known how the Zircon tests will be conducted further, and there is also no data on the timing of the launch of the rocket from the submarine.

Recall that the first tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the surface ship became known at the end of February this year, when news agencies reported the launch of Zircon from the frigate Admiral Gorshkov at one of the Northern Fleet’s naval ranges in the Barents Sea. It was reported that a rocket launched from a ship overcame more than 500 km and hit a target located on the shore. It was clarified that the first launch was carried out in January.

As you know, to launch the Zircon missile, the 3S-14 universal ship’s firing complex (UKSK) is used, designed to fire the Caliber and Onyx. Currently, UKSK 3S-14 is equipped with all new ships under construction, as well as undergoing modernization. In addition, the UKKS is equipped with multi-purpose submarines of Project 885 Ash.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 June 2020 17: 35
    21
    This is good news. No, even so - very important news. Shooting at sea targets is the hardest, most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at the attacking missile, finally! You should get this "Zircon". "Zircon" should be ... deadly and indestructible. And let the adversary strain ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 44
      +5
      Well, why should you strain, it's better to relax and enjoy it. lol bully
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 27 June 2020 17: 52
        +8
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, why should you strain, it’s better to relax and enjoy

        First, all the same, let them strain ... the media will shout, the company will be deployed about aggressive Russia. That he is preparing to "peck" the entire aircraft carrier fleet ... here he does not go to bed, everyone thinks to attack the "shining city on the hill" ... True, it has been shining a little less recently ... The White House is not painted black yet but anything is possible wassat
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 58
          +4
          And I would like to be repainted, that’s not a click on the nose, but a kick in the face of impudent cowboys. And it will be right, you have to pay for everything. hi
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 June 2020 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally!

      He will die tired.
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 27 June 2020 23: 20
      -9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is good news. No, even so - very important news. Shooting at sea targets is the hardest, most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at the attacking missile, finally! You should get this "Zircon". "Zircon" should be ... deadly and indestructible. And let the adversary strain ...


      1) Sea target does not move fast
      2) Any system of destruction of a sea target flying at an altitude of less than 10 meters is practically indestructible. Hypersonic or subsonic.
      3) How many classes did you finish at school? Judging by the comment, no more than five.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 June 2020 02: 16
        -5
        sergo1914 (Sergei)
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        This is good news. No, even so - very important news. Shooting at sea targets is the hardest, most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at the attacking missile, finally! You should get this "Zircon". "Zircon" should be ... deadly and indestructible. And let the adversary strain ...


        1) Sea target does not move fast
        2) Any system of destruction of a sea target flying at an altitude of less than 10 meters is practically indestructible. Hypersonic or subsonic.
        3) How many classes did you finish at school? Judging by the comment, no more than five.

        laughing good yes He has a tower. lol
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 27 June 2020 17: 35
    +2
    Tests of the newest Russian Zircon hypersonic missile from a surface ship continue.

    This news "pleases" our "potential partners" very much.

    Is "Maryata" already on the border of the landfill?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 June 2020 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Is "Maryata" already on the border of the landfill?

      How much blood did she drink with us! I recall with a shudder.
      True, we always hooked the BOD to it and, 10 minutes before the time "H", pressed it point-blank with the entire onboard RES! Even the navigation radars fired on the maximum scale ... Aviation also made its own contribution to the overall REB. Perhaps the most significant ... Then Amsk satellites "Ferrets" appeared, and it became necessary to select a window in the flight schedule ... Many products were tested at the Feodosia test site. Now this is not possible yet. But everything is possible ...
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 June 2020 17: 37
    +2
    All the spies of the world have tensed lol , now trump in the usa will personally move the orbits of the satellites in order to better examine the rocket, and count the number of American patents that the treacherous Russians stole to create their treacherous hypersonic missile! !! crying lol
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 27 June 2020 17: 46
      +8
      Quote: Thrifty
      Now the trump in the usa will personally move the orbits of the satellites in order to better view the rocket

      And the damned Muscovites took out a paper with a schedule of flights of enemy reconnaissance satellites over the training ground and flopped when there was not a single one over his head.
      Pichalka ...
      1. KCA
        KCA 27 June 2020 18: 05
        +1
        It seems to me that "Zircon" rises above 50 km during flight, and all its launches and launch trajectories are warned in advance so that the early warning system does not perceive friends as a ballistic missile launch, and for some reason all secret launches take place in Kazakhstan, on Sary -Shagan, I don't know, the sky there is clear, without clouds, maybe the satellites have an uncomfortable orbit?
        1. Alien ...
          Alien ... 27 June 2020 21: 44
          0
          I heard that in general you have to climb 100 to achieve speeds ...
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 28 June 2020 08: 10
          0
          The landfill is well equipped. It is necessary not only to hit the target, there are also fixed flight parameters.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 June 2020 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          all his launches and launch trajectories are warned in advance so that the SPRN does not perceive friends as launching a ballistic missile, and for some reason all secret launches in Kazakhstan take place, on Sary-Shagan,

          1. No one is notified of launches of anti-ship missiles. Just closes the area for swimming and flying LA.
          2. China does not yet have such an SPRN, and it will be far from the Yankees. KA if only ...
          3. 3m22 - anti-ship missiles, and missile defense and air defense are tested on the Kazakhstan "top ten". Recently, ICBMs have also been monitored. So Cyric is not their profile.
          AHA.
          1. KCA
            KCA 28 June 2020 12: 21
            -1
            Here I disagree a little, they do not notify about the launches of anti-ship missiles, but there is an exit of the missile launcher into near space, and even at a speed of no MAX, this may well be considered as a launch of a ballistic missile, it will not be far away, the early warning system is both ours and the United States sees the entire globe , and the size does not matter, the torch at the start is much smaller, but the speed and altitude are straining, and if you remember the "Tempest", an intercontinental cruise missile, not warning is fraught with big problems
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 June 2020 18: 22
        -1
        So they should do
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 June 2020 17: 41
    +6
    "I will buy drawings of the Zircon hypersonic missile is expensive! Donald Trump, for the Russians it's just Donya" !!! lol
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 45
      12
      Already draw, send money. lol laughing lol hi
      1. Clear
        Clear 27 June 2020 18: 22
        +3
        Quote: Ros 56
        send money

        I can deliver personally love
      2. poquello
        poquello 27 June 2020 21: 56
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        Already draw, send money. lol laughing lol hi

        "We are already drawing, send out the drawings", and then Trump scratches his turnip, which the rocket declared by him somehow does not fly
        1. dauria
          dauria 28 June 2020 00: 10
          +4
          and then Trump scratches his turnip, which the rocket he claims somehow does not fly


          There, in small print "After assembly, finalize with a file"
  5. wow
    wow 27 June 2020 17: 50
    0
    Why voice it all! ??? Why was not the use of PTAB 2,5 "announced" before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
    Why did the Germans not know anything about the introduction of the Su-152 series and its presence in the troops before the start of the Battle of Kursk!? What for ... ???
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 27 June 2020 18: 02
      12
      Quote: yo-mine
      Why voice it all! ??? Why was not the use of PTAB 2,5 "announced" before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
      To the battle did not take place. We somehow don’t need it. They need it. But it does. And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.
      1. 2я19
        2я19 27 June 2020 18: 11
        +3
        There is a legend about how Hitler told someone that he would not start a war with the USSR if he knew how many Russian tanks there are. Or maybe not a legend ...
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 21
          11
          Quote: 2я19
          There is a legend about how Hitler told someone that he would not start a war with the USSR if he knew how many Russian tanks there are. Or maybe not a legend ...

          Tanks that were at that time, the weather was not done. Hitler did not rate potential THE USSR. He was crushed by tanks made after the outbreak of war, under the open Ural sky.
          I think so.
          1. 2я19
            2я19 27 June 2020 18: 28
            +3
            Yes, yes, you understood correctly, it was not about tanks, but about industry and its capabilities.
          2. stasimar
            stasimar 27 June 2020 22: 36
            +1
            BT-5-7, T-26 WAS no worse than German. The generals did not know how to apply them
            1. IGOR GORDEEV
              IGOR GORDEEV 28 June 2020 10: 51
              +1
              Quote: stasimar
              BT-5-7, T-26 WAS no worse than German. The generals did not know how to apply them

              Optics. Radio stations. The quality of explosives, etc. The Germans had this and much more at a higher level. Not so simple. The enemy was strong, but we defeated him.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 23
        0
        Quote: bk0010
        And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.

        Well yes. Wet burns badly. If only the gasoline was not splashed ...
    2. halpat
      halpat 27 June 2020 18: 12
      0
      Quote: bk0010
      Quote: yo-mine
      Why voice it all! ??? Why was not the use of PTAB 2,5 "announced" before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
      To the battle did not take place. We somehow don’t need it. They need it. But it does. And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.

      I agree with the previous speaker.
      1. It’s better to scare and let them spend the money, catch up and keep their AUG away.
      And add:
      2. It is very difficult to hide something meaningful today. Eyes and ears around, sensitive with the highest resolution.
      And so read point 1
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 27 June 2020 20: 54
        0
        I am always amazed at the quality of satellite maps. On Google. Sometimes I am wandering around the places of former youth. The glades where I hung out are easy to read, but there’s nothing to say about military facilities. It’s possible to determine the type of passenger car of a pilot.
    3. KCA
      KCA 27 June 2020 18: 14
      0
      I don’t think that the Germans in the Abwehr were just fools and didn’t know anything, they might not know the details, for example, the number of PTAB delivered, as well as the SU and ISU-152, but they knew for sure that there were such bombs and self-propelled guns, so did the Zircon , it is there, and what it is with, it is not clear, tracking the flight will do little to understand the guided missile, the question of how it is controlled, how it is guided to the target, determine from the satellite how, especially without knowing the target, you can set several targets, and only testers know where the rocket will fly, but how do they transmit the command to select the target?
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 18: 22
      0
      Moreover, the Germans shot tanks and so many.
    5. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 24
      0
      Quote: yo-mine
      What for ... ???

      Surprise. War is the path of deception. request
  6. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 18: 05
    0
    These are all cartoons - there is no such weapon. You're lying FSE!
    1. Clear
      Clear 27 June 2020 18: 30
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      These are all cartoons - there is no such weapon. You're lying FSE!

      Sergey, it's probably hard to live with a lie detector repeat ... or are you not married?
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 21: 07
        0
        Twice married. It happens worse, but less often. ;)
        1. Clear
          Clear 28 June 2020 10: 34
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Twice married. It happens worse, but less often. ;)

          You can be envied as a man, on these events, you rejoiced at least three times ... drinks
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 17
    +1
    Currently, UKSK 3S-14 is equipped with all new ships under construction, as well as those undergoing modernization. In addition, the UKSK has equipped Project 885 Yasen multipurpose submarines.

    And this is good.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 June 2020 18: 25
    +1
    Maryata is already on duty? Or the caronovirus crew was defeated, he could help in this matter.
  9. flicker
    flicker 27 June 2020 18: 55
    -1
    The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

    Zircon is the best vaccine to contain the creators of artificial viruses.
    ---
    Another such pandemic is necessary to wet all the enemy biolaboratory. angry
  10. Carib
    Carib 27 June 2020 18: 57
    -2
    About the beginning of the war, the Germans did not know a damn. Ours, for the most part, did not know, and even the Germans, even more so. that is, at all ... They planted and shot everyone at the slightest suspicion. German diplomats, spies, associates sang to Hitler what he wanted to hear. That everything is bad both in industry and in the social. And as soon as the Germans came to raise the Bolsheviks in the forks ... They didn’t guess .... the Germans and their spies, diplomats, sympathizers understood the Soviet people badly.
    The striped satellite with their super "beautiful" equipment can detect the launch of any missile and the destruction of an object if there was an explosion. But if the blank ..., plopped on the target, no way ...., figurines, you can't see it in the pictures. Because it is not known where to stare and at what frame. And there are billions of thousands of square meters of personnel on polygons! And the automatics can detect the heat spot of the rocket launch, but the landing of a hot blank, most likely not, because the characteristic size of the blank is extremely small.
    Conclusions from the physical understanding of the world and analysis of open information.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 June 2020 23: 24
      +6
      "Because you don't know where to stare and at what frame. And there are thousands of square meters of frames on polygons, billions" ////
      ----
      People no longer stare at satellite maps. The computer stares and analyzes in a second
      changes on the map from the last satellite passage. And marks all changes in red, yellow
      etc. And people are already studying these notes.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 June 2020 00: 34
        -3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Because you don't know where to stare and at what frame. And there are thousands of square meters of frames on polygons, billions" ////
        ----
        People no longer stare at satellite maps. The computer stares and analyzes in a second
        changes on the map from the last satellite passage. And marks all changes in red, yellow
        etc. And people are already studying these notes.

        Alexander, you now deprived him of the meaning of life laughing hi Moreover God forbid you explain how the face recognition program works lol And "Classmates" ... laughingYes, this is just a klondike of the special services of the whole world. And then they get offended about "let's go look at the spiers-willy" drinksNot only that, there is a picture of mom and dad. The computer itself will figure out how their children will look. Hard times for illegal immigrants today. repeat
  11. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 19: 04
    +4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is good news. No, even so - very important news. Shooting at sea targets is the hardest, most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at the attacking missile, finally! You should get this "Zircon". "Zircon" should be ... deadly and indestructible. And let the adversary strain ...

    And where did you manage to read in the note that they will shoot at sea targets? In a note about this "neither sleep nor spirit"
    As for the stability. Does not exist UNBEATABLE GOALS. It all depends on the parameters of the interceptor and outfit.

    Quote: Victor_B
    Is "Maryata" already on the border of the landfill?

    Most likely. The message in NOTAM has probably passed. Yes, and reconnaissance aircraft will also be enough ...

    Quote: Victor_B
    And the damned Muscovites took out a paper with a schedule of flights of enemy reconnaissance satellites over the training ground and flopped when there was not a single one over his head.
    Pichalka ...

    They will try to shoot, of course, during the "windows". But if "Maryata" and others hang out there, it will not be possible to completely hide the launch ...

    Quote: KCA
    so is the "Zircon", it is, and what it is with, it is not clear, tracking the flight will give little for understanding the guided missile, the question of how it is controlled, how it is aimed at the target, it is possible to determine from the satellite how, especially without knowing the target set several targets, and only testers know where the rocket will fly, but how do they transmit the command to select the target?

    And their main task is to remove telemetry. What can be done not only from satellites
  12. Poetry
    Poetry 27 June 2020 19: 11
    +1
    This is why Norwegians sweat so much. "Zircon" has nothing to do with the circus.
  13. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 19: 13
    +1
    Quote: Carib
    The striped satellite with their super "beautiful" equipment can detect the launch of any missile and the destruction of an object if there was an explosion. But if the blank ..., plopped on the target, no way ...., figurines, you can't see it in the pictures. Because it is not known where to stare and at what frame. And there are billions of thousands of square meters of personnel on polygons! And the automatics can detect the heat spot of the rocket launch, but the landing of a hot blank, most likely not, because the characteristic size of the blank is extremely small.
    Conclusions from the physical understanding of the world and analysis of open information.

    In addition to surveillance satellites, the Americans have a sufficient number of electronic and electronic intelligence satellites. And "millions of frames" are not needed there. The information is taken out according to completely different parameters.
  14. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 27 June 2020 19: 25
    -1
    If you take a purely aesthetic moment, I like 11356P frigates in profile much more than 22350. Although from a technical point of view it is clear that 22350 are more advanced
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 27 June 2020 21: 54
      +2
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      frigates 11356P

      it's TFR ... not a frigate
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  16. ordinary person_2
    ordinary person_2 27 June 2020 19: 49
    0
    Perhaps everything is already under control
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 27 June 2020 20: 23
      +3
      Judging by the commentary and previous experience, the trials were in the White Sea. So Maryana is not at work, pichalka (for them, of course).
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    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 14
      0
      Is this already the third Maryata? I still remember the first one, it has become quite old.
      1. ordinary person_2
        ordinary person_2 28 June 2020 11: 25
        0
        This is their fourth ship: https: //topwar.ru/64651-v-norvegii-blagoslovili-na-ratnye-podvigi-novyy-razvedyvatelnyy-korabl.html hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 June 2020 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Is this already the third Maryata?

        No, this is already the 4th. The third reconfigured the ship M / S Eger. The new main ship, which is the fourth ship named Marjata, has a home port in Kirkenes, and M / S Eger has a home port in Harstad.
        M / S Eger is a remodeled version of the third ship Marjata, which was decommissioned after the commissioning of Marjata IV in 2016.
        And here is TTX Marjata IV:
        The reconnaissance ship (RZK) Marjata (Maryata) of the Norwegian Navy is designed to collect, analyze and process information about the underwater, surface and air conditions, including in the Far North (mainly it is monitoring the activities of the Russian armed forces in the Arctic region). In addition, it can be used for hydrological work and scientific expeditions.
        The RZK hull was built in Romania, and the afloat completion was carried out by the head contractor, Vard Langsten in Norway. In addition, some of the special equipment was installed on a ship at the US CIA base at Camp Perry, Virginia. Honningsvag, Norway is based.
        The total displacement is 5000 tons. The length of the RPK is 126 m, the width is 23,5 m.
        The new reconnaissance ship is the fourth in the Norwegian Navy, bearing the name "Maryata".
        Adopted in 2016 year.
  17. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 21: 17
    0
    Quote: K298rtm
    Judging by the commentary and previous experience, the trials were in the White Sea. So Maryana is not at work, pichalka (for them, of course).

    Of course, I do not know the coordinates of the test site, but if these tests take place either in the area of ​​the Kandalash Bay, or in the area of ​​the Dvinskaya Bay, of course there will be no "Maryana". But not only the starting point is important, but also the finishing point. And there will be neutral waters and this "Maryana" can "graze" there anyway,
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 17
      +1
      I don’t want to shoot from the White Sea to the northeast, into the region of the Kara Sea. Aliens do not go there.
  18. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 23: 59
    +2
    Quote: tralflot1832
    I am always amazed at the quality of satellite maps. On Google. Sometimes I am wandering around the places of former youth. The glades where I hung out are easy to read, but there’s nothing to say about military facilities. It’s possible to determine the type of passenger car of a pilot.

    And these are far from the best quality shots. I don’t remember exactly, but EMNIP is in the public domain only cards with a resolution of 0,5 to 1,0 m. And what can be seen on the frame with a resolution of 15 cm ???
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    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 10
      0
      You won’t hide anything with this permission, especially if the enemy knows where to look and when.
  19. Old26
    Old26 28 June 2020 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: Sandor Clegane
    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    frigates 11356P

    it's TFR ... not a frigate

    In our classification, especially the Soviet one, "the devil catches his leg." Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as the BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as a TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser. The same IPC is another "miscarriage" classification. I'm not talking about DBK.
    Therefore, now most often TFRs are classified as frigates

    Quote: tralflot1832
    I don’t want to shoot from the White Sea to the northeast, into the region of the Kara Sea. Aliens do not go there.

    Strangers go there or not - not in the know, but last time there was shooting at a landfill (on land)
    And much less distance. And there "strangers" could "walk"

    Quote: tralflot1832
    You won’t hide anything with this permission, especially if the enemy knows where to look and when.

    Yes, there is a problem. But there are undeniable advantages.
    The first. We know exactly at what point in time one or another satellite will fly by
    Second. This resolution is achieved with a very small frame. EMNIP - this is 1 x 2 km (or 2 x 2 km)
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 June 2020 15: 49
      0
      Quote: Old26
      In our classification, especially the Soviet one "the devil catches his leg"

      Yes, I would not say ... It just looks quite reasonable.
      Quote: Old26
      Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser.

      The BOD for my IMHO is justified, since it was a ship the size of a destroyer, but it is not a destroyer.
      Quote: Old26
      The same IPC is another "miscarriage" classification.

      Why? The IPC was a ship with a clear anti-submarine orientation. This is not TFR, not MRK and does not corvette. That is, as for me - just the same, the MPK and BOD in the classification are more than justified, since they distinguish classes of highly specialized warships
      Quote: Old26
      Therefore, now most often TFRs are classified as frigates

      Let me disagree. We have frigates - these are only ships of the project 22350 "Gorshkov". Anything less (project 11356, etc.) is just the official TFR.
  20. Old26
    Old26 28 June 2020 17: 40
    0
    Quote: KCA
    Here I disagree a little, they do not notify about the launches of anti-ship missiles, but there is an exit of the missile launcher into near space, and even at a speed of no MAX, this may well be considered as a launch of a ballistic missile, it will not be far away, the early warning system is both ours and the United States sees the entire globe , and the size does not matter, the torch at the start is much smaller, but the speed and altitude are straining, and if you remember the "Tempest", an intercontinental cruise missile, not warning is fraught with big problems

    Is there an exit of the Kyrgyz Republic into space? Well, as Georges Miroslavsky said - "This is a new direction in science and technology"... The spacewalk of a KR with a hypersonic ramjet engine is, of course, strong ... But what can she do there, in space. I would understand if you wrote this about the "Dagger" with its rocket engine, at least it was physically clear there. But with regard to KR -...
    So SPRN here is not the case. The area is closed and a notification is given, here you can agree, but there is no place for an SPRN to be
    "Tempest" is still a product with a rocket engine, not a direct-flow one. The maximum that you can count on is a cruising altitude of 40-50 km. Space is out of the question

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Old26
    In our classification, especially the Soviet one "the devil catches his leg"

    Yes, I would not say ... It just looks quite reasonable.

    It's hard to say how reasonable she is. The whole world had a more organized gradation of warships EMNIP missile boat - corvette - frigate - destroyer - cruiser.
    The Soviet classification split this system into several more. In addition to the RCA, MRKs appeared, which, according to the western classification, passed as a missile corvette (URO corvette). Then the IPC appeared - which corresponded to the western concept of a corvette, a ship that was supposed to provide anti-submarine defense. EMNIP in the near sea zone. Next, the "damned imperialists" followed a frigate - a ship that carried out anti-aircraft and partially anti-submarine defense of the convoy. We now have a ship class. which turned out to be "non-systemic" and was .... let's say, it is not clear what. This is something in between. This is not the TFR in its pure form (the last of which was Project 50. This is something called the BOD, which in various years were classified as either the TFR or the BOD. The displacement ranged from the displacement of the destroyer to the displacement of the cruiser. Moreover, if the western ships This class most often carried also anti-ship weapons, that most of the BOD is only anti-submarine, while having a cruising displacement. create ships that could work exclusively in pairs - BOD pr. 1155 and EM pr. 956
    So it's hard to consider our ship classification system reasonable. Of course this is my IMHO

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Old26
    Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser.

    The BOD for my IMHO is justified, since it was a ship the size of a destroyer, but it is not a destroyer ..

    Alas, not everything is clear here either. BOD project 61 had a maximum of 4300 tons, which is more than the EM project 56. Other BODs had a displacement comparable to cruising. No wonder that the same "Jane" attributed certain BODs to the class of cruisers in terms of displacement, when in terms of armament they did not even reach the strike weapons of destroyers.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 June 2020 10: 09
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      Quote: Old26
      The whole world had a more organized gradation of warships EMNIP missile boat - corvette - frigate - destroyer - cruiser.

      Yes. And this was somewhat correct, with the exception of corvettes, which turned out to be completely different ships (from a large missile boat to a guard).
      Quote: Old26
      Then came the IPC - which corresponded to the western concept of a corvette, a ship that was supposed to provide anti-submarine defense.

      In fact, initially the corvette in the European Navy was not called a PLO ship (it was in WWII) but a missile boat with a helicopter - that is, it’s just an analogue of RTOs in function (shock) but not in the composition of weapons
      Quote: Old26
      Further, the "damned imperialists" followed a frigate - a ship that carried out anti-aircraft and partially anti-submarine defense of the convoy. We now have a ship class. which turned out to be "non-systemic" and was .... let's say, it is not clear what. This is something in between. This is not the TFR in its pure form (the last of which was Project 50. This is something called the BOD, which in various years were classified as either the TFR or the BOD.

      The problem is that the imperialists had one and very specific task for the frigate - air defense / air defense transport connections in the sea / ocean, which required a rather large but not too heavily armed ship. But we had much more tasks - here, and the protection of coastal shipping, actions in the near and in the far sea zones - that is, in general, different ships were required. Therefore, those that were very small and only under PLO were IPC, which is larger - TFR, and that for operations in the far sea zone - BOD.
      Quote: Old26
      ships such as "Udalaya" and "Chabanenko", having essentially a similar displacement, one is a destroyer in armament, the second is a BOD. And the point was to create ships that could work exclusively in pairs - BOD pr. 1155 and EM pr. 956

      It is not a matter of classification. It was believed that a pair of 1155 and 956 will cope with their tasks better than a pair of universal ships like "Adams", or whatever. That is, here we made a fundamental decision to build different types of ships in approximately the same displacement. You can discuss how the right decision was, but since it was made, it would hardly be right to put them in one class.
      IMHO
  21. sergey_vesna
    sergey_vesna 28 June 2020 21: 40
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    Is the engine of this ramjet rocket or solid propellant? They have been stubbornly silent about this for many years, they are simply discussing the name, but this point is much more important than the name.
  22. Old26
    Old26 29 June 2020 00: 51
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    Quote: sergey_vesna
    Is the engine of this ramjet rocket or solid propellant? They have been stubbornly silent about this for many years, they are simply discussing the name, but this point is much more important than the name.

    a solid-propellant rocket burns out very quickly very quickly, especially with such a rocket size. For example, the 1st stage of the Topol rocket engine operates for 2 minutes. At the same time, EMNIP weighs 26 tons and has a length of 9 meters. The engine of a cruise missile, that is, a rocket on which a motorized hypersound is implemented, can only be direct-flow
  23. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 23: 01
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is good news. No, even so - very important news. Shooting at sea targets is the hardest, most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at the attacking missile, finally! You should get this "Zircon". "Zircon" should be ... deadly and indestructible. And let the adversary strain ...

    To be honest, any missile shot down near the ship’s hull is a dangerous threat (no one will ever extinguish the kinetic energy of the wreckage), but if the missile really reaches the warhead then ......)))))))))))
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  25. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 23: 10
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    Khrushchev well done !!! Our missiles will destroy everyone and everything, ships from kinetic energy know how to drown, any exercises of ships of different countries of the world take place only when target missiles are shot down in a parallel direction, no one dares to hit a missile flying to your body during exercises.
    ps no one will send it to you in the building (fragments have nothing to do).