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The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

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The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

Tests of the latest Russian Zircon hypersonic missile from the surface ship continue. According to TASS, citing two sources in the defense industry complex, the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has already reached the sea ranges of the North fleet for conducting second test firing a hypersonic missile.


According to agency sources, the frigate went to sea for test launches, which will take place over the next two weeks. Sources also noted that an extensive test program for the Zircon from the Admiral Gorshkov was planned for 2020, the ship was supposed to make up to seven missile launches, but the tests had to be moved due to the coronavirus.

On Saturday, Gorshkov sailed from the Belomorsky Naval Base for a second test launch of the Zircon missile. The timeline has moved significantly - the second launch was originally supposed to take place in mid-spring

- the agency quotes the word sources.

It is not known how the Zircon tests will be conducted further, and there is also no data on the timing of the launch of the rocket from the submarine.

Recall that the first tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the surface ship became known at the end of February this year, when news agencies reported the launch of Zircon from the frigate Admiral Gorshkov at one of the Northern Fleet’s naval ranges in the Barents Sea. It was reported that a rocket launched from a ship overcame more than 500 km and hit a target located on the shore. It was clarified that the first launch was carried out in January.

As you know, to launch the Zircon missile, the 3S-14 universal ship’s firing complex (UKSK) is used, designed to fire the Caliber and Onyx. Currently, UKSK 3S-14 is equipped with all new ships under construction, as well as undergoing modernization. In addition, the UKKS is equipped with multi-purpose submarines of Project 885 Ash.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 June 2020 17: 35 New
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    This is good news. No, even that is very important news. Shooting at sea targets is a complex, the most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally! This "Zircon" should turn out. Zircon should be ... deadly and unbreakable. And let the adversary strain ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 44 New
      +5
      Well, why should you strain, it's better to relax and enjoy it. lol bully
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 27 June 2020 17: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, why should you strain, it’s better to relax and enjoy

        First, all the same, let them strain ... they will shout in the media, the company is deployed about aggressive Russia. What is preparing to "peck" the entire carrier fleet ... he doesn’t go to sleep, everyone thinks of attacking the "shining city on the hill" ... True, he has been shining a little less recently ... The White House has not been painted black yet but everything is possible wassat
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 58 New
          +4
          And I would like to be repainted, that’s not a click on the nose, but a kick in the face of impudent cowboys. And it will be right, you have to pay for everything. hi
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 June 2020 19: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally!

      He will die tired.
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 27 June 2020 23: 20 New
      -9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is good news. No, even that is very important news. Shooting at sea targets is a complex, the most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally! This "Zircon" should turn out. Zircon should be ... deadly and unbreakable. And let the adversary strain ...


      1) Sea target does not move fast
      2) Any system of destruction of a sea target flying at an altitude of less than 10 meters is practically indestructible. Hypersonic or subsonic.
      3) How many classes did you finish at school? Judging by the comment, no more than five.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 June 2020 02: 16 New
        -5
        sergo1914 (Sergei)
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        This is good news. No, even that is very important news. Shooting at sea targets is a complex, the most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally! This "Zircon" should turn out. Zircon should be ... deadly and unbreakable. And let the adversary strain ...


        1) Sea target does not move fast
        2) Any system of destruction of a sea target flying at an altitude of less than 10 meters is practically indestructible. Hypersonic or subsonic.
        3) How many classes did you finish at school? Judging by the comment, no more than five.

        laughing good yes He has a tower. lol
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 27 June 2020 17: 35 New
    +2
    Tests of the latest Russian Zircon hypersonic missile from the surface ship continue.

    This news is very “pleasing” to our “probable partners”.

    Is Maryata already at the border of the landfill?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 June 2020 11: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Is Maryata already at the border of the landfill?

      How much blood did she drink with us! I recall with a shudder.
      True, we always clung to the BOD and for about 10 minutes before the time “H” crushed it at point-blank range with the entire onboard RES! Even the navigation radars on the extreme scale fumbled ... Aviation also contributed to the overall REP. Perhaps the most significant ... Then the Amish “Ferretts” satellites appeared, and it became necessary to choose a window in the flight schedule ... Many products were tested at the Feodosia training ground. Now there is no such possibility yet. But everything is possible ...
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 June 2020 17: 37 New
    +2
    All the spies of the world have tensed lol , now trump in the usa will personally move the orbits of the satellites in order to better examine the rocket, and count the number of American patents that the treacherous Russians stole to create their treacherous hypersonic missile! !! crying lol
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 27 June 2020 17: 46 New
      +8
      Quote: Thrifty
      Now the trump in the usa will personally move the orbits of the satellites in order to better view the rocket

      And the damned Muscovites took out a paper with a schedule of flights of enemy reconnaissance satellites over the training ground and flopped when there was not a single one over his head.
      Pichalka ...
      1. KCA
        KCA 27 June 2020 18: 05 New
        +1
        It seems to me that the Zircon rises above 50 km during the flight, and they warn in advance about all of its launches and launch trajectories so that the SPRN does not perceive friends as launching a ballistic missile, and for some reason all secret launches in Kazakhstan go to Sary “Shagan, I don’t know, the sky is clear, without clouds, maybe the satellites have an uncomfortable orbit?”
        1. Alien ...
          Alien ... 27 June 2020 21: 44 New
          0
          I heard that in general you have to climb 100 to achieve speeds ...
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 28 June 2020 08: 10 New
          0
          The landfill is well equipped. It is necessary not only to hit the target, there are also fixed flight parameters.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 June 2020 12: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          all his launches and launch trajectories are warned in advance so that the SPRN does not perceive friends as launching a ballistic missile, and for some reason all secret launches in Kazakhstan take place, on Sary-Shagan,

          1. No one is notified of launches of anti-ship missiles. Just closes the area for swimming and flying LA.
          2. China does not yet have such an SPRN, and it will be far from the Yankees. KA if only ...
          3. 3m22 - anti-ship missiles, and Kazakhstan’s “top ten” is experiencing missile defense and air defense. Recently, ICBMs are also being watched. So Cyric is not their profile.
          AHA.
          1. KCA
            KCA 28 June 2020 12: 21 New
            -1
            I disagree here a little, they are not notified about the launches of the anti-ship missiles, but there is an exit of the spacecraft into near space, and even at a speed of max. , and the size doesn’t matter, the torch at launch is much smaller, but the speed and flight altitude are annoying, and if you recall the Storm, an intercontinental cruise strategic missile, not to warn is fraught with big problems
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 June 2020 18: 22 New
        -1
        So they should do
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 June 2020 17: 41 New
    +6
    “I’ll buy drawings of a Zircon hypersonic rocket expensive! Donald Trump, for the Russians it’s just Donya !!!” lol
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 45 New
      12
      Already draw, send money. lol laughing lol hi
      1. Clear
        Clear 27 June 2020 18: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Ros 56
        send money

        I can deliver personally love
      2. poquello
        poquello 27 June 2020 21: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        Already draw, send money. lol laughing lol hi

        "Already draw, send the blueprints," and then Trump scratches the turnip, which the rocket he claims somehow does not fly
        1. dauria
          dauria 28 June 2020 00: 10 New
          +4
          and then Trump scratches his turnip, which the rocket he claims somehow does not fly


          There, in small print "After assembly, modify the file"
  5. wow
    wow 27 June 2020 17: 50 New
    0
    Why all this is voiced! ??? Why didn’t they “voice” the use of PTAB 2,5 before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
    Why did the Germans not know anything about the introduction of the Su-152 series and its presence in the troops before the start of the Battle of Kursk!? What for ... ???
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 27 June 2020 18: 02 New
      12
      Quote: yo-mine
      Why all this is voiced! ??? Why didn’t they “voice” the use of PTAB 2,5 before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
      To the battle did not take place. We somehow don’t need it. They need it. But it does. And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.
      1. 2я19
        2я19 27 June 2020 18: 11 New
        +3
        There is a legend about how Hitler told someone that he would not start a war with the USSR if he knew how many Russian tanks there are. Or maybe not a legend ...
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 21 New
          11
          Quote: 2я19
          There is a legend about how Hitler told someone that he would not start a war with the USSR if he knew how many Russian tanks there are. Or maybe not a legend ...

          Tanks that were at that time, the weather was not done. Hitler did not rate potential THE USSR. He was crushed by tanks made after the outbreak of war, under the open Ural sky.
          I think so.
          1. 2я19
            2я19 27 June 2020 18: 28 New
            +3
            Yes, yes, you understood correctly, it was not about tanks, but about industry and its capabilities.
          2. stasimar
            stasimar 27 June 2020 22: 36 New
            +1
            BT-5-7, T-26 WAS no worse than German. The generals did not know how to apply them
            1. IGOR GORDEEV
              IGOR GORDEEV 28 June 2020 10: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: stasimar
              BT-5-7, T-26 WAS no worse than German. The generals did not know how to apply them

              Optics. Radio stations. The quality of explosives, etc. The Germans had this and much more at a higher level. Not so simple. The enemy was strong, but we defeated him.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 23 New
        0
        Quote: bk0010
        And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.

        Well yes. Wet burns badly. If only the gasoline was not splashed ...
    2. halpat
      halpat 27 June 2020 18: 12 New
      0
      Quote: bk0010
      Quote: yo-mine
      Why all this is voiced! ??? Why didn’t they “voice” the use of PTAB 2,5 before the start of the Battle of Kursk?
      To the battle did not take place. We somehow don’t need it. They need it. But it does. And it is advisable to keep them wet to prevent fomenting war.

      I agree with the previous speaker.
      1. It’s better to scare and let them spend the money, catch up and keep their AUG away.
      And add:
      2. It is very difficult to hide something meaningful today. Eyes and ears around, sensitive with the highest resolution.
      And so read point 1
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 27 June 2020 20: 54 New
        0
        I am always amazed at the quality of satellite maps. On Google. Sometimes I am wandering around the places of former youth. The glades where I hung out are easy to read, but there’s nothing to say about military facilities. It’s possible to determine the type of passenger car of a pilot.
    3. KCA
      KCA 27 June 2020 18: 14 New
      0
      I don’t think that the Germans in Abwehr were really stupid and didn’t know anything, they might not know the details, for example, the number of PTAB delivered, like the SU and ISU-152, but that they knew exactly such bombs and self-propelled guns, so did Zircon , there is one, and with what it is, it’s not clear that tracking a flight will not provide much for understanding a guided missile, the question of how it is guided, how it is aimed at a target, it’s possible to set several goals from a satellite, especially not knowing a target, and where only the testers know where the rocket will fly, but how do they transmit the command to choose the target?
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 18: 22 New
      0
      Moreover, the Germans shot tanks and so many.
    5. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 24 New
      0
      Quote: yo-mine
      What for ... ???

      Surprise. War is the path of deception. request
  6. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 18: 05 New
    0
    These are all cartoons - there is no such weapon. You're lying FSE!
    1. Clear
      Clear 27 June 2020 18: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      These are all cartoons - there is no such weapon. You're lying FSE!

      Sergey, it's probably hard to live with a lie detector repeat ... or are you not married?
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 21: 07 New
        0
        Twice married. It happens worse, but less often. ;)
        1. Clear
          Clear 28 June 2020 10: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Twice married. It happens worse, but less often. ;)

          You can be envied as a man, on these events, you rejoiced at least three times ... drinks
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 17 New
    +1
    Currently, UKSK 3S-14 is equipped with all new ships under construction, as well as undergoing modernization. In addition, the UKKS is equipped with multi-purpose submarines of Project 885 Ash.

    And this is good.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 June 2020 18: 25 New
    +1
    Maryata is already on duty? Or the caronovirus crew was defeated, he could help in this matter.
  9. flicker
    flicker 27 June 2020 18: 55 New
    -1
    The frigate Admiral Gorshkov begins the second phase of testing the hypersonic Zircon

    Zircon is the best vaccine to contain the creators of artificial viruses.
    ---
    Another such pandemic is necessary to wet all the enemy biolaboratory. angry
  10. Carib
    Carib 27 June 2020 18: 57 New
    -2
    About the beginning of the war, the Germans did not know a damn. Ours, for the most part, did not know, and even the Germans, even more so. that is, at all ... They planted and shot everyone at the slightest suspicion. German diplomats, spies, associates sang to Hitler what he wanted to hear. That everything is bad both in industry and in the social. And as soon as the Germans came to raise the Bolsheviks in the forks ... They didn’t guess .... the Germans and their spies, diplomats, sympathizers understood the Soviet people badly.
    Striped satellite with their super "beautiful" equipment can detect the start of any rocket and the defeat of the object, if there was an explosion. But if the disc ..., plopped down at the target, nothing ...., figurines, can not be seen in the pictures. Because it is not known where to stare and in what frame. And there are billions of personnel and thousands of square meters at the landfills! But automation can detect a thermal spot of a rocket launch, and a landing of a hot blank, most likely not, because the characteristic size of the disc is extremely small.
    Conclusions from the physical understanding of the world and analysis of open information.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 June 2020 23: 24 New
      +6
      "Because it is not known where to stare and on what frame. And there are billions of thousands of square meters of personnel at the training grounds.
      ----
      People no longer stare at satellite maps. The computer stares and analyzes in a second
      changes on the map from the last satellite passage. And marks all changes in red, yellow
      etc. And people are already studying these notes.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 June 2020 00: 34 New
        -3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Because it is not known where to stare and on what frame. And there are billions of thousands of square meters of personnel at the training grounds.
        ----
        People no longer stare at satellite maps. The computer stares and analyzes in a second
        changes on the map from the last satellite passage. And marks all changes in red, yellow
        etc. And people are already studying these notes.

        Alexander, you now deprived him of the meaning of life laughing hi Moreover God forbid you explain how the face recognition program works lol And so "Classmates" ... laughingYes, it's just a klondike of special services of the whole world. And then they are offended about "let's go look at the spiers, forks" drinksNot only that, there is a picture of mom and dad. The computer itself will figure out how their children will look. Hard times for illegal immigrants today. repeat
  11. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 19: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is good news. No, even that is very important news. Shooting at sea targets is a complex, the most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally! This "Zircon" should turn out. Zircon should be ... deadly and unbreakable. And let the adversary strain ...

    And where did you manage to read in the note that they would shoot at sea targets? In the note about this "neither sleep nor spirit"
    As for the stability. Does not exist UNBEATABLE GOALS. It all depends on the parameters of the interceptor and outfit.

    Quote: Victor_B
    Is Maryata already at the border of the landfill?

    Most likely. The message in NOTAM has probably passed. Yes, and reconnaissance aircraft will also be enough ...

    Quote: Victor_B
    And the damned Muscovites took out a paper with a schedule of flights of enemy reconnaissance satellites over the training ground and flopped when there was not a single one over his head.
    Pichalka ...

    They will try to shoot, of course, during the "windows". But if Maryata and others hang out there, they will not be able to completely hide the launch ...

    Quote: KCA
    so is Zircon, is it there, and with what it is, it’s not clear that tracking a flight will not provide much for understanding a guided missile, the question of how it is guided, how it is aimed at a target, you can determine from a satellite how it can be, especially not knowing the target, set several goals, and where only the testers know where the rocket will fly, but how do they transmit the command to choose the target?

    And their main task is to remove telemetry. What can be done not only from satellites
  12. Poetry
    Poetry 27 June 2020 19: 11 New
    +1
    That is why the Norwegians sweat so much. Zircon is not related to the circus.
  13. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 19: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Carib
    Striped satellite with their super "beautiful" equipment can detect the start of any rocket and the defeat of the object, if there was an explosion. But if the disc ..., plopped down at the target, nothing ...., figurines, can not be seen in the pictures. Because it is not known where to stare and in what frame. And there are billions of personnel and thousands of square meters at the landfills! But automation can detect a thermal spot of a rocket launch, and a landing of a hot blank, most likely not, because the characteristic size of the disc is extremely small.
    Conclusions from the physical understanding of the world and analysis of open information.

    In addition to satellite reconnaissance satellites, the Americans have a sufficient number of satellites of electronic and radio intelligence. And "millions of frames" are not needed there. Information is being taken for completely different parameters.
  14. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 27 June 2020 19: 25 New
    -1
    If you take a purely aesthetic moment, I like 11356P frigates in profile much more than 22350. Although from a technical point of view it is clear that 22350 are more advanced
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 27 June 2020 21: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      frigates 11356P

      it's TFR ... not a frigate
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  16. ordinary person_2
    ordinary person_2 27 June 2020 19: 49 New
    0
    Perhaps everything is already under control
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 27 June 2020 20: 23 New
      +3
      Judging by the commentary and previous experience, the trials were in the White Sea. So Maryana is not at work, pichalka (for them, of course).
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    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 14 New
      0
      Is this already the third Maryata? I still remember the first one, it has become quite old.
      1. ordinary person_2
        ordinary person_2 28 June 2020 11: 25 New
        0
        This is their fourth ship: https: //topwar.ru/64651-v-norvegii-blagoslovili-na-ratnye-podvigi-novyy-razvedyvatelnyy-korabl.html hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 June 2020 13: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Is this already the third Maryata?

        No, this is already the 4th. The third reconfigured the ship M / S Eger. The new main ship, which is the fourth ship named Marjata, has a home port in Kirkenes, and M / S Eger has a home port in Harstad.
        M / S Eger is a remodeled version of the third ship Marjata, which was decommissioned after the commissioning of Marjata IV in 2016.
        And here is TTX Marjata IV:
        The reconnaissance ship (RZK) Marjata (Maryata) of the Norwegian Navy is designed to collect, analyze and process information about the underwater, surface and air conditions, including in the Far North (mainly it is monitoring the activities of the Russian armed forces in the Arctic region). In addition, it can be used for hydrological work and scientific expeditions.
        The RZK building was built in Romania, and completion was afloat by the lead contractor, Ward Langsten in Norway. In addition, part of the special equipment was installed on the ship at the base of the US CIA in Camp Perry (Virginia). Honningsvag, Norway based.
        The total displacement is 5000 tons. The length of the RPK is 126 m, the width is 23,5 m.
        The new reconnaissance ship is the fourth in the Norwegian Navy, bearing the name Maryata.
        Adopted in 2016 year.
  17. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 21: 17 New
    0
    Quote: K298rtm
    Judging by the commentary and previous experience, the trials were in the White Sea. So Maryana is not at work, pichalka (for them, of course).

    Of course, I don’t know the coordinates of the landfill, but if these tests are either in the Kandalash Bay area or in the Dvinskaya Bay area - of course there will be no Mariyana. But not only the starting point is important, but also the finish point. And there will be neutral waters and this “Maryana” can “graze” there anyway,
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 17 New
      +1
      I don’t want to shoot from the White Sea to the northeast, into the region of the Kara Sea. Aliens do not go there.
  18. Old26
    Old26 27 June 2020 23: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: tralflot1832
    I am always amazed at the quality of satellite maps. On Google. Sometimes I am wandering around the places of former youth. The glades where I hung out are easy to read, but there’s nothing to say about military facilities. It’s possible to determine the type of passenger car of a pilot.

    And these are far from the best quality shots. I don’t remember exactly, but EMNIP is in the public domain only cards with a resolution of 0,5 to 1,0 m. And what can be seen on the frame with a resolution of 15 cm ???
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    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 June 2020 11: 10 New
      0
      You won’t hide anything with this permission, especially if the enemy knows where to look and when.
  19. Old26
    Old26 28 June 2020 11: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Sandor Clegane
    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    frigates 11356P

    it's TFR ... not a frigate

    In our classification, especially the Soviet one, "the devil is catching a leg." Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser. The same IPC is another “miscarriage” of classification. Not talking about DBK.
    Therefore, now most often TFRs are classified as frigates

    Quote: tralflot1832
    I don’t want to shoot from the White Sea to the northeast, into the region of the Kara Sea. Aliens do not go there.

    Strangers go there or not - not in the know, but last time there was shooting at a landfill (on land)
    And a much shorter distance. And there, "strangers" could "walk"

    Quote: tralflot1832
    You won’t hide anything with this permission, especially if the enemy knows where to look and when.

    Yes, there is a problem. But there are undeniable advantages.
    The first. We know exactly at what point in time one or another satellite will fly by
    Second. This resolution is achieved with a very small frame. EMNIP - this is 1 x 2 km (or 2 x 2 km)
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 June 2020 15: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      In our classification, especially the Soviet one, “hell’s catching a leg”

      Yes, I would not say ... It just looks quite reasonable.
      Quote: Old26
      Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser.

      The BOD for my IMHO is justified, since it was a ship the size of a destroyer, but it is not a destroyer.
      Quote: Old26
      The same IPC is another “miscarriage” of classification.

      Why? The IPC was a ship with a clear anti-submarine orientation. This is not TFR, not MRK and does not corvette. That is, as for me - just the same, the MPK and BOD in the classification are more than justified, since they distinguish classes of highly specialized warships
      Quote: Old26
      Therefore, now most often TFRs are classified as frigates

      Let me disagree. Our frigates are only ships of Project 22350 Gorshkov. All that is less (project 11356, etc.) is officially the TFR.
  20. Old26
    Old26 28 June 2020 17: 40 New
    0
    Quote: KCA
    I disagree here a little, they are not notified about the launches of the anti-ship missiles, but there is an exit of the spacecraft into near space, and even at a speed of max. , and the size doesn’t matter, the torch at launch is much smaller, but the speed and flight altitude are annoying, and if you recall the Storm, an intercontinental cruise strategic missile, not to warn is fraught with big problems

    Is there an exit of the Kyrgyz Republic into space? Well, as Georges Miroslavsky said - "This is a new direction in science and technology". Going into space of the Kyrgyz Republic with a hypersonic ramjet engine is certainly strong ... Just what should she do there, in space. I would understand if you wrote this about the “Dagger” with its rocket engine, it would at least be physically clear. But in relation to the KR -....
    So SPRN here is not the case. The area is closed and a notification is given, here you can agree, but there is no place for an SPRN to be
    "Storm" is still a product with a rocket engine, and not with a ramjet engine. The maximum that you can count on is the marching height of 40-50 km. There can be no talk of space

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Old26
    In our classification, especially the Soviet one, “hell’s catching a leg”

    Yes, I would not say ... It just looks quite reasonable.

    It's hard to say how reasonable she is. The whole world had a more organized gradation of warships EMNIP missile boat - corvette - frigate - destroyer - cruiser.
    The Soviet classification, however, split this system into several more. In addition to the RCA, RTOs appeared, which according to the Western classification passed as a missile corvette (URO corvette). Then came the IPC - which corresponded to the western concept of a corvette, a ship that was supposed to provide anti-submarine defense. EMNIP in the near sea zone. Frigate, a ship that carried out the air defense and partially anti-submarine defense of the convoy, followed the damned imperialists. We have a ship class. which turned out to be “off-system” and was .... let's say, it’s not clear what. This is something in between between it’s not clear what. This is not the TFR in its purest form (the last of which was project 50. This is something called the BOD, which in different years were classified as either the TFR or BOD. The displacement was from the displacement of the destroyer to the displacement of the cruiser. Moreover, if western ships This class most often carried anti-ship weapons, that most of the BOD - only anti-submarine, while having a cruising displacement. Ships of the type "Udaloy" and "Chabanenko" having essentially close displacement, one is the destroyer in armament, the second - BOD. And the meaning create ships that could work exclusively in pairs - BOD pr. 1155 and EM pr. 956
    So it's hard to consider our ship classification system reasonable. Of course this is my IMHO

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Old26
    Unlike other countries, such a class of ships as BOD appeared. Moreover, one BOD project was classified as TFR or destroyer, the other as a destroyer or cruiser.

    The BOD for my IMHO is justified, since it was a ship the size of a destroyer, but it is not a destroyer ..

    Alas, but not everything is clear here. Project 61 BOD had a maximum of 4300 tons, which is more than the EM 56 project. Other BOD had a displacement comparable to cruising. Not without reason, the same “Jane” assigned certain BODs to the class of displacement cruisers, when in terms of armament they did not reach the strike armament of destroyers.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 June 2020 10: 09 New
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      Quote: Old26
      The whole world had a more organized gradation of warships EMNIP missile boat - corvette - frigate - destroyer - cruiser.

      Yes. And this was somewhat correct, with the exception of corvettes, which turned out to be completely different ships (from a large missile boat to a guard).
      Quote: Old26
      Then came the IPC - which corresponded to the western concept of a corvette, a ship that was supposed to provide anti-submarine defense.

      In fact, initially the corvette in the European Navy was not called a PLO ship (it was in WWII) but a missile boat with a helicopter - that is, it’s just an analogue of RTOs in function (shock) but not in the composition of weapons
      Quote: Old26
      Frigate, a ship that carried out the air defense and partially anti-submarine defense of the convoy, followed the damned imperialists. We have a ship class. which turned out to be “non-systemic” and was .... let's say, it’s not clear what. This is something in between between it’s not clear what. This is not the TFR in its purest form (the last of which was project 50. This is something called the BOD, which in different years have been classified as either TFR or BOD.

      The problem is that the imperialists had one and very specific task for the frigate - air defense / air defense transport connections in the sea / ocean, which required a rather large but not too heavily armed ship. But we had much more tasks - here, and the protection of coastal shipping, actions in the near and in the far sea zones - that is, in general, different ships were required. Therefore, those that were very small and only under PLO were IPC, which is larger - TFR, and that for operations in the far sea zone - BOD.
      Quote: Old26
      the "Udaloy" and "Chabanenko" -type-type ships, having in fact close displacement, one is an armament destroyer and the other is a BOD. And the point is to create ships that could work exclusively in pairs - BOD pr. 1155 and EM pr. 956

      This is not a classification issue. It was believed that the pair 1155 and 956 would cope with their tasks better than a pair of universal esm type "Adams", or whatever. That is, here we made a fundamental decision to build different types of ships in approximately the same displacement. You can discuss how much this was the right decision, but once it was made, then sticking them into one class would hardly be right.
      IMHO
  21. sergey_vesna
    sergey_vesna 28 June 2020 21: 40 New
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    Is the engine of this ramjet rocket or solid propellant? They have been stubbornly silent about this for many years, they are simply discussing the name, but this point is much more important than the name.
  22. Old26
    Old26 29 June 2020 00: 51 New
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    Quote: sergey_vesna
    Is the engine of this ramjet rocket or solid propellant? They have been stubbornly silent about this for many years, they are simply discussing the name, but this point is much more important than the name.

    solid propellant rocket very quickly burns out very quickly, especially with such dimensions of the rocket. For example, the 1st stage of the Topol rocket engine runs for 2 minutes. At the same time, the EMNIP weighs 26 tons and has a length of 9 meters. The engine of a cruise missile, that is, of a missile that implements motor hypersound, can only be direct-flow
  23. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 23: 01 New
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is good news. No, even that is very important news. Shooting at sea targets is a complex, the most difficult thing. The target is mobile, moves quickly, shoots at an attacking rocket, finally! This "Zircon" should turn out. Zircon should be ... deadly and unbreakable. And let the adversary strain ...

    To be honest, any missile shot down near the ship’s hull is a dangerous threat (no one will ever extinguish the kinetic energy of the wreckage), but if the missile really reaches the warhead then ......)))))))))))
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  25. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 23: 10 New
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    Khrushchev well done !!! Our missiles will destroy everyone and everything, ships from kinetic energy know how to drown, any exercises of ships of different countries of the world take place only when target missiles are shot down in a parallel direction, no one dares to hit a missile flying to your body during exercises.
    ps no one will send it to you in the building (fragments have nothing to do).