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How Stalin returned Bessarabia to Russia

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How Stalin returned Bessarabia to Russia

Children give flowers to fighters of the Red Army during a parade in Chisinau in connection with the return of Bessarabia to the Soviet state


80 years ago, on June 28, 1940, the Bessarabian operation of the Red Army began. Stalin returned Bessarabia to Russia-USSR.

Russian outskirts


Historical the region in southeastern Europe between the Black Sea and the Danube, Prut and Dniester rivers has been part of Russia since ancient times. At first it was under the control of the Scythians - the direct ancestors of Rus Rus. Then, Slavic tribes of streets and Tiverts lived here. Among their cities was Belgorod (now Belgorod-Dniester). These tribal unions were part of Kievan Rus. Further, these lands were part of Galician Rus. The city of Galati is the Old Russian Small Galich.

After a series of invasions of nomads and the “Mongolian” invasion, the region was devastated. In the middle of the XIV century, Bessarabia became part of the Moldavian Principality and was inhabited by Moldavians (Slavic Rusyns took an active part in their ethnogenesis). At the beginning of the XVI century, Turkey conquered Bessarabia and built a number of fortresses here. In the course of a number of Russian-Turkish troops, Russia gradually returned to its control the Northern Black Sea Coast. After the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812 in the Bucharest peace of 1812, Bessarabia was annexed to the Russian Empire.

According to the Adrianople Peace Treaty of 1829, which ended the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829, the Danube Delta was annexed to Russia. The Crimean War led to the loss of part of Bessarabia. In the Paris world of 1856, part of Russian Bessarabia was annexed to Moldova (Ottoman vassal), and the Danube Delta to Turkey. It took a new war with Turkey (1877-1878) to regain its land. Under the Berlin Treaty of 1878, the southern part of Bessarabia was ceded to Russia. However, Romania (then Russia's ally against Turkey) received Northern Dobrudja and the Danube Delta.

Taking advantage of the collapse of the Russian Empire, which was an ally of Romania in the war against the German bloc, in December 1917 - January 1918 the Romanian army occupied Bessarabia. In December 1919, the Romanian parliament legalized the annexation of Bukovina and Bessarabia. In October 1920, the Entente countries adopted the Paris Protocol, in which they justified the annexation of Bessarabia and recognized the sovereignty of Romania over the region.

Bucharest actively pursued a Romanian policy of the occupied Russian suburbs. The share of the Romanian population artificially increased. In the agricultural sector, a policy of colonization was carried out - the number of Romanian landowners increased.

The Russian language (including its Little Russian version) was expelled from the official sphere. Russian and Russian speakers from government bodies, education and culture. Thousands of people were fired due to lack of knowledge of the state language or for political reasons. The former press was liquidated, censorship was introduced. Old political and public organizations were liquidated (for example, communists). The population was tightly controlled with the help of the military administration, gendarmerie and secret police. As a result, by the end of the 1930s, speaking was allowed only in Romanian.

It is clear that such a policy of Bucharest led to strong resistance. Romanians forcefully suppressed the resistance of the local population. The Romanian army brutally crushed a series of revolts. In particular, the Tatarbunar uprising of 1924 is an uprising of peasants led by local communists against the Romanian authorities. Thousands of rebels were killed and arrested. The repression, terror and anti-people’s policies of the Romanian authorities (in particular, the agrarian policy that infringed on the interests of the peasantry) led to the mass exodus of the population of Bessarabia. In just ten years, about 300 thousand people fled to America, Western Europe and Russia (12% of the region’s population).

Bessarabian Question


Moscow did not recognize the rejection of its region. In a note dated November 1, 1920, Soviet Russia expressed a strong protest against the annexation and the Paris Protocol. At the Vienna Conference of 1924, Moscow proposed holding a plebiscite in Bessarabia that could approve the annexation or reject it. But Romania rejected the proposal of the Soviet Union. In response to this, on April 6, 1924, the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the USSR made the following statement in the newspaper Pravda:

"From now on to a plebiscite, we will consider Bessarabia an integral part of Ukraine and the Soviet Union."

Thus, historical law was on the side of Russia. Bessarabia was a Russian outskirts, which from ancient times was inhabited by Rus-Slavs. The region was part of Russian land. During a series of invasions, including Turkish, Bessarabia was torn away from Russia. After a series of heavy wars in which thousands of Russian soldiers died, Russia returned Bessarabia. The Troubles of 1917-1918 led to the fact that the region was occupied by Romania (an ally who betrayed Russia). Moscow never recognized the annexation of Bessarabia.

In the late 1930s, Moscow got the opportunity to return the land occupied by Romanians. Germany, when signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939, agreed that Bessarabia is included in the sphere of influence of the USSR. Romania was an ally of France. However, in May - June 1940, German divisions overwhelmed France. The time has come.

Romania was bigger and stronger than the Baltic states. However, it was weakened by internal contradictions. The country was torn by political intrigues, predation and theft of the top. For a long time, the nationalists from the Iron Guard did not have the support of the financial and economic circles of the country, so they could not win in parliament. However, in the 30s, their position was strengthened. Nationalists have relied not on destructive, but on creative programs. Created labor and agricultural communities, trade cooperatives. As a result, attracted new supporters, strengthened the financial situation. In addition, the chief of the General Staff, and then the Minister of Defense of Romania, Jon Antonescu, became interested in nationalists. He was closely associated with the financial elite of the country. In financial and industrial circles at this time, many realized that the country was at an impasse and were looking for a way out of the crisis. The example of the Reich seemed attractive.

Antonescu was not averse to becoming the Romanian Fuhrer. But he did not have his own party. Then he began to provide material assistance to the "Iron Guards." The king of Romania, Carol II, who, not without reason, feared the ambitious Minister of Defense, in the spring of 1938 ordered the arrest of Antonescu and the top of the Iron Guard. But the general was too popular a person, he had to be released. He was only demoted to corps commander. And the head of the Iron Guard, Corneliu Codriana and his associates, were allegedly killed while trying to escape. In response, the nationalists unleashed terror against their opponents (several interior ministers were killed).

Meanwhile, Antonescu acquired the image of a "fighter for the people." He criticized the government for a failed domestic policy. In foreign policy, he demanded to stop looking at Paris and move into the wake of the Reich. In the summer of 1940, his advice seemed prophetic. German troops entered Paris. Romania had no more patron. And near the Romanian border, the Red Army was preparing for a campaign.


Soviet tank T-26 and armored vehicles BA-10 on the road in Bessarabia


Army General G.K. Zhukov at a military parade in Chisinau

Exemption


The troops in the Romanian direction at the beginning of June 1940 were led by the hero Khalkhin-Gola G.K. Zhukov. On June 9, 1940, the troops of the Kiev and Odessa districts began preparations for the liberation campaign. In mid-June, the USSR led troops to the Baltic states (“The myth of the Soviet occupation of the Baltic states”). After that, it was time to return Bessarabia. On June 20, 1940, the commander of the Kiev Military District, General Georgy Zhukov, received a directive from the People's Commissar of Defense and the General Staff to begin preparations for the Bessarabian operation in order to defeat the Romanian army and liberate Northern Bukovina and Bessarabia. The Southern Front was created from the troops of the Kiev and Odessa military districts: the 12th, 5th and 9th armies. Three armies consisted of 10 rifle and 3 cavalry corps, separate rifle divisions, 11 tank brigades, etc. In total, over 460 thousand people, up to 12 thousand guns and mortars, more than 2400 tanks, over 2100 aircraft. Plus support for the Black Sea fleetsea aviation - 380 aircraft. The formation of the Danube Flotilla began.

Moscow informed Berlin that it was going to return Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina at the same time (there the majority of the population were Little Russians, Ukrainians). Berlin expressed surprise and only argued a little about Bukovina. Formally, it was never formally part of Russia, and in the 1939 pact there was no talk of it. However, the Germans did not quarrel over such a trifle and agreed. On June 26, 1940, Molotov presented the Romanian ambassador with a demand to transfer Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR. Moscow emphasized that Romania took advantage of Russia's temporary weakness and forcibly tore its lands.

In Romania, mobilization was announced. Romania deployed a large group of troops on the Soviet border - the 1st army group (3rd and 4th armies). Only 6 army and 1 mining corps, about 450 thousand people. Bucharest put up 60% of its strength. However, the Romanian elite was frankly afraid of fighting against the USSR. There were no powerful defensive lines like the Mannerheim or Maginot line on the Romanian border. In the prewar time, the Romanians were mired in frivolity, theft and contention, the defense of the eastern borders did not pay much attention. Hoping on the "roof" of France and England. Now there were no patrons. If the Russians begin the offensive, they cannot be stopped. The combat readiness of the army, despite its strength, was low.

Bucharest began to beg for help from Germany. But in Berlin, they did not want a big war in the Balkans. Suddenly, the Russians will not just crush the Romanians, but will they go further? They will take the oil fields that the Reich needs, will put their ruler in Romania. Maybe they will go further, to Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. Germany will get a big problem in Southeast Europe. Therefore, Berlin wanted to resolve the conflict without war. German diplomacy began to put pressure on Bucharest, insisting that he give in. At the same time, other neighbors of Romania began to fuss, from whom it also took away a number of territories. The Hungarians remembered that after the First World War the Romanians stole Transylvania from her, the Bulgarians remembered South Dobrudja. If the Russians launch an offensive, Hungary and Bulgaria can also fight for their lands. In these disputes, the Germans played their game. Begging Bucharest to surrender to Moscow, they lied that they would take Romania under their protection, put Hungarians and Bulgarians in their place.

The Romanian elite itself knew that it was not the country that was not ready for war. On June 28, 1940, Romania adopted an ultimatum. Zhukov’s army entered Bessarabia peacefully. Romanian troops left the river without a fight Rod. Only a few minor skirmishes and skirmishes occurred. By July 3, 1940, the Bessarabian operation as a whole was completed. Our troops established full control over the territories of Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and Hertz, and a new border was established between Russia and Romania.

Local residents, especially Russian and Ukrainian Little Russians, who suffered greatly from the Romanian policy, enthusiastically greeted the Red Army. Red flags hung on the houses: “Ours have come!” On the streets unfolded nationwide festivities. Bessarabians who lived and worked in Romania tried to return to their homeland in order to live under Soviet rule. On August 2, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decided to unite the Moldavian Autonomous Republic with Bessarabia, the Moldavian SSR was created with its capital in Chisinau. Northern Bukovina became part of the Ukrainian SSR.

The population of Bessarabia, like the Baltic states, only benefited from reunification with Russia. Some citizens chose to go abroad, someone came under repression and deportation. Political figures, officials, representatives of the ruling class (manufacturers, bankers, landowners), hostile to Russia, suffered. But there were an insignificant number of them: in Bessarabia - 8 thousand people. At the same time, they were not shot, not driven to hard labor, but only evicted away (to Turkestan or Siberia). In Germany, France, Romania and other countries, major military-political changes were accompanied by much more massive repression and purges. The bulk of the people in Moldova only won. The development of the economy, culture, science and education of the republic began.

Thus, Stalin without war returned to Russia its historical lands. The military, economic and demographic potential of the Soviet Union was strengthened. Of great military and economic importance was access to the largest navigable river in Western Europe - the Danube. The Danube Flotilla was created on the Danube. The creative policy of Stalin brought Russia a tremendous gain. Without losses and serious efforts, the USSR annexed vast northwestern, western and southwestern territories. The country regained its previously lost outskirts. The collapse of the Versailles system, the Anglo-French coalition brought Russia to the rank of great powers, for the first time since 1917!


Soviet tanks BT-7 at the parade in Chisinau


Tractor tractors “Stalinets” tow A-122 19-mm hull guns during the parade in Chisinau


Chisinau residents welcome Soviet soldiers, July 1940
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  1. tatra
    tatra 29 June 2020 04: 55 New
    +8
    According to the pattern of anti-Soviet propaganda, it is possible to slander, criminalize any government in the world, exposing for its crime even the presence in the country of places of detention for criminals. The enemies of the Communists who captured the USSR proved that it doesn’t matter to them what they did or didn’t do to them, they just need to slander those to justify the capture of the USSR. So, the enemies of the Communists in the Civil Unleashed by them dismembered Russia, and declared this a crime of the Communists. And when in 1939-1940 the communists returned to the territory of their country the Russian lands captured by their enemies, the enemies of the communists declared this a crime of the communists.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 June 2020 06: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: tatra
      . the enemies of the Communists in the Civil Unleashed by them dismembered Russia, and declared this a crime of the Communists

      But didn’t you study at Soviet school?

      Dismembered Russia in 1917-1940 g nand on 36 states it’s the enemies of the enemies of the enemies of the Communists, leaving her the borders of the 17th century, which she has today.
      Quote: tatra
      And when in 1939-1940 the Communists returned to the structure of their country captured by their enemies Russian land, enemies of the communists declared this a crime of the communists

      That's it: the lands are RUSSIAN, but they returned them not at all in Russia (see in the window), and created the states of "moldavia" there. "estonia" and so on. "ukraine" with the right to exit, which today we have in kind. fool

      The author missed, alas, a very important point: in March 1918, under the Treaty between Romania and the RSFSR, Romania undertook to withdraw troops from the occupied territory of Russia-Bessarabiand that did not comply.

      That is why the USSR never recognized the annexation and had every right to return it.

      The situation is fundamentally different from the Baltic and East. Poland recognized by the USSR.

      Bessarabia -the last province of Russia- it was such that she returned to Romania of the USSR.

      But then, just a month later, from it, without asking the will of the people, they formed another "state" - the mono-national MSSR instead of the multinational Bessarabia.

      At the same time, wild borders were cut to her in a month, tearing her southern part (from the sea), cutting in half the Gagauz and Bulgarian territories, transferring them to n. "Ukraine" as well as northern Bessarabia.
      someone came under repression and deportation. Political figures hostile to Russia, officials, representatives of the ruling class:.

      The author is off topic: innocent and not convicted by anyone people are the clearest example -Kernsovskaya Efrosinya Antonovnasister of the famous author Anton Kernsovsky, who wrote "History of the Russian Army". She welcomed the reunification of Bessarabia with Russia in 1940, did not flee to Romania.

      Without a court order, she was completely robbed and exiled to camps, where she had to work in a logging area, a miner in the mine (!), loader at the stations,. dead carrier in a camp morgue.

      Made an unparalleled escape winter in Siberia, walked 1500 km, was captured again and camps.

      She went through all the torments of hell, remained a man, wrote amazing memoirs and left hundreds of drawings that I think every literate person should know.,
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 29 June 2020 06: 52 New
        +6
        They divided Russia in 1917-1940 into 36 states
        Who prevented at least Kazan from regaining the status of the Kazan province in 20 years? And it turns out that again they want sovereignty. And the Communists will be blamed.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 June 2020 08: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Gardamir
          Who prevented at least Kazan from regaining the status of the Kazan province in 20 years?

          Have you tried giving the child candy, and then taking it away?

          Quote: Gardamir
          And it turns out that again they want sovereignty.

          As soon as the central authority weakens, they will definitely want and sponsors will be found.

          Under the current Constitution, there are no "brakes" to return to the situation of 1999.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 June 2020 08: 24 New
          +1
          Autonomies have no right to exit with things.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 09: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: Olgovich

        Just about: the lands are RUSSIAN, but they were not returned to Russia at all (see in the window), but the states of "Moldavia" were created there. "estonia" and so on. "ukraine" with the right to exit, which today we have in kind.

        Olgovich, there is such an expression - technology in the hands of a savage - a pile of scrap metal.
        Stalin, the Communists, created the USSR - a wonderful technique, but savages came in the person of the Gobachev-Yeltsins and further on the list, and the USSR became a pile of ruins. So, do not blame the Communists. And do not try to renegade humpbacks, Yeltsin and their company, call the Communists.
        Quote: Olgovich

        At the same time, wild borders were cut to her in a month, tearing her southern part (from the sea), cutting in half the Gagauz and Bulgarian territories, transferring them to n. "Ukraine" as well as northern Bessarabia.

        Understanding this is not for your mind.
        Quote: Olgovich

        She made an unprecedented escape in the winter in Siberia, walked 1500 km, was captured again and camps.

        Olgovich, do you even know what Siberia is? This is me about 1500 km on foot, even in winter, even in summer. Moderate your fantasies.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 June 2020 11: 32 New
          -8
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Olgovich, there is such an expression - technology in the hands of a savage - a pile of scrap metal. Stalin, the Communists, created the USSR - wonderful technique but savages came in the person of the Gobachev-Yeltsins and further on the list, and the USSR became a pile of ruins.

          That's it: this is just how WRONG technique - a tool had to be created in order to manage such wonderful country and the best people in the world bring to collapse, extinction and coupons for cowards — in just 70 years!
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          So, do not blame the Communists. And do not try to renegade humpbacks, Yeltsin and their company, call the Communists.

          Read their communist biographies: born, raised, raised, trained, caressed, raised to the shield, completely by the Communist Party, its flesh from flesh.
          There were no other authorities and parties then.

          Or did they .... crawled along the corridors of the Kremlin? lol

          And yes, I disdain to sort the varieties of the same, yes ...

          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Understanding this is not for your mind.

          Certainly: an intelligent person will never do this.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Olgovich, do you even know what Siberia is? This is me about 1500 km on foot, even in winter, even in summer. Moderate your fantasies.

          You read it first, then you say: she walked for six months, on the way she worked part time here and there: woman, FLY, your liquid then appeared in front of her, yes ...
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 29 June 2020 12: 03 New
            +7
            Quote: Olgovich
            You read it first, then say: she walked for six months, along the way she worked part time here and there: woman

            Yes Yes - student, Komsomol member, athlete noblewoman, landowners, survivors, nugget and just beautiful! And he knows how to lie easily ...
            Olgovich, you try, somehow, as an experiment, to try to critically perceive not only what the supporters of "THIEF" (s) hated by you write, but also what the belovers and other gentlemen who are so dear to your heart will "memoir". A lot of discoveries await you, I assure you.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 12: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: Olgovich

            That's it: this is how much the UNWELCOME technique-tool had to be created in order to manage such a wonderful country and

            No matter how amazing the technique is, it’s for the Olgovichs to break, not to build. It is you, the anti-communists, who have broken.
            Quote: Olgovich
            coupons for underpants in just 70 years!

            Well, why lie? Coupons appeared already in your anti-Soviet time. With the advent of your idol - a hunchback.
            Quote: Olgovich

            born, raised, raised, trained, caressed, raised to the shield, fully

            After all, you too were born, trained, educated, etc., but as you were a cave anti-Soviet, they remained. You were not brought to Russia from Mars.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Certainly: an intelligent person will never do this.

            Again, without understanding anything, you begin to criticize. The Bolsheviks did not build an empire! The Bolsheviks built the Union, de jure, of independent states. To show the whole world that feudal, in fact, Tajikistan and industrial Russia can coexist in practice for the benefit of each other. And not the way Britain and Nigeria or the Gambia existed.
            Quote: Olgovich

            You read first, then say:

            Why do I need to read someone’s fables if I went to the taiga myself.
            Due to the fact that she did not have a speedometer on her feet, the route was measured on a map, i.e. in a straight line, then the really traveled distance must be multiplied by three, no less. This will be a really traveled path.
            Once again - moderate your fantasies, or do not trust strangers.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 June 2020 12: 47 New
              -8
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              No matter how amazing the technique is, it’s for the Olgovichs to break, not to build. It is you, the anti-communists, who have broken.

              Who touched her? lol
              YOURSELF bent, how did you not correct it-remember-HOW MANY did you straighten the "curvature" of the curve of the party line? lol laughing
              They just straightened and ... again the curvature, and ... again the curvature of the curvature, and ... again. The distortion of the curvature of the curvature.

              Krivoruky did, yes ... yes

              Wow "tool" turned out for good reason he is on anyone turned out not to be needed lol
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              After all, you too were born, trained, educated, etc., but as you were a cave anti-Soviet, they remained. You were not brought to Russia from Mars

              And I'm an adviser. It was. I just read and read more than you and I know the facts
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Again, without understanding anything, you begin to criticize. The Bolsheviks did not build an empire! The Bolsheviks built the Union, de jure, of independent states. To show the whole world that feudal, in fact, Tajikistan and industrial Russia can coexist in practice for the benefit of each other. And not the way Britain and Nigeria or the Gambia existed.

              We are talking about more prosaic things - about the BORDER between the Ukrainian SSR and the MSSR, which cut people alive, like a devil to the soul.
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Why do I need to read someone’s fables if I went to the taiga myself.
              Due to the fact that she did not have a speedometer on her feet, the route was measured on a map, i.e. in a straight line, then the really traveled distance must be multiplied by three, no less. This will be a really traveled path.
              Once again - moderate your fantasies, or do not trust strangers.

              To know the truth.

              Refute at least SOME of her DIARIES.
              I am ashamed to say something, not even knowing it.
              1. Grim Reaper
                Grim Reaper 30 June 2020 21: 48 New
                +1
                Olgovich. I often disagree with you. But not in this case. People think this is impossible. And that’s all. De facto. Impossible. Like my father, who escaped from a train in Poland, returned home on foot. Also impossible at age 14. But it happens. Chance 1 out of a million. But he is. I am extremely ashamed that I did not know anything about this woman. Buried in the Internet. Thank.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 1 July 2020 08: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Grim Reaper
                  I am extremely ashamed that I did not know anything about this woman. Buried in the Internet. Thank.

                  Yes amazingth life force female.

                  And all the time she remained HUMAN-, sympathetic, compassionate and decent.
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 29 June 2020 13: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            a wonderful country and the best people in the world to bring to collapse, extinction and coupons for cowards, in just 70 years!

            So this "wonderful country" in February 1917 Nikolashka destroyed, but those who after Nikolka came to power completely ruined the country.
            Quote: Olgovich
            she walked for six months, on the way she worked part time here and there

            I walked half a year along the way, earning money ... Nu-nu. It turns out that the ubiquitous NKVD was not entirely ubiquitous, the fugitive prisoner walks across the country (without documents), without money, quietly earning money along the way, and no one asked where you were from? Moreover, in Siberia, where fugitives from hard labor have not been welcomed since tsarist times ... "Oh, these storytellers, oh, these fairy tales" ...
          4. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 June 2020 15: 49 New
            0
            Read their communist biographies:


          5. EvilLion
            EvilLion 7 August 2020 12: 42 New
            +1
            You are sick, what does the Stalinist USSR have to do with perestroika?
      3. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 29 June 2020 10: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        She made an unprecedented escape in the winter in Siberia, walked 1500 km, was captured again and camps.

        1500 km.! In the taiga! On foot! - That's cool!
        It is necessary to prompt the liberals to make a film.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 June 2020 11: 58 New
          -8
          Quote: Alexander Green
          1500 km.! In the taiga! On foot! - That's cool!

          Yes, these are not foreign tourists from Switzerland, who ate hazel grouses to obesity at the state expense with ... a child servant in the so-called. "links" under the tsarist "brutal" regime.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          It is necessary to prompt the liberals to make a film.

          Efrosinya Agtonovna is a model of fortitude, perseverance, integrity, inflexibility.

          And the insignificance - the half-eyed lampreys, beckoning, suicides from the ruling and other pearls -dust in front of her.,

          Read her diaries: I would not go to that film, this is inhuman horror without end and end. Horror created by the hands of your executioners.

          PS The film is shot, by the way, yes , the crew has already traveled the escape route, step by step ....

          Her name is already known and will remain for centuries. The names of the executioners, who tormented her, have already been forgotten a long time ago ...
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 29 June 2020 13: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Her name is already known and will remain for centuries.

            Well, in your limited (both in quantity and in world outlook) it may already be known, but it will remain on the bill for centuries ... Krasnov and Vlasov have also remained for centuries, and Judas Iscariot is so in millennia.
            Quote: Olgovich
            The film is shot, by the way,

            I'm not even surprised, because the current "filmmakers" of real heroes are afraid to show something, so they heroize "every kaku" like Kolchak, the Siberian executioner.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Yes, these are not foreign tourists from Switzerland, who ate grouse to obesity at public expense with ... a child servant in the so-called. "links" under the tsarist "brutal" regime

            So the funniest thing is the same Sashka SOLZHinitsin also lived in exile at his own expense, went there on his denyuzhka, you would carefully read his scribbler. How he described his ordeal when applying for work in exile, and he did not go to work in a loader's artel, to put bricks on a construction site, or even where to do hard work. Sashok, by all means, tried to get a light job (according to the current office).
            Quote: Olgovich
            Horror created by the hands of your executioners.

            Well, compared to what the loving and vulnerable creative polar explorers arranged. such as Kolchak I have already cited, then "our executioners" are mere children.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 June 2020 14: 17 New
              -6
              Quote: Fitter65
              Well, in your limited (both in quantity and in outlook) it
              .

              And what is ... "it", you are our eloquent? lol laughing
              Quote: Fitter65
              it may already be known, but at the expense of will remain for centuries.
              1.
              1 was unknown to anyone

              2. After release, already dozens.

              3. After your self-decomposition, to thousands.

              4. After the publication of the book, already to millions in many countries of the world.
              etc.

              Trend however
              Quote: Fitter65
              ..Krasnov and Vlasov, too, have remained for centuries, and Judas Iscariot is so in and in millennia.

              AND? Say something they wanted? lol
              Quote: Fitter65
              I'm not even surprised, because the current "filmmakers" of real heroes are afraid to show something, so they heroize "every kaku" like Kolchak, the Siberian executioner.

              Who are they afraid of? WHAT are they afraid of? lol
              Quote: Fitter65
              So the funniest is the same Sash SOLZhInitsin

              Read the memoirs of Euphrosyne, and then laugh if conscience is enough No.
              Quote: Fitter65
              Well, compared to what the loving and vulnerable creative polar explorers arranged. such as Kolchak, which I have already cited, then "our executioners" are mere children

              This is the judgment of a poor ignorant child.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 29 June 2020 15: 22 New
                +5
                Quote: Olgovich
                And what is ... "it", you are our eloquent?

                A middle-name name is a word. You need to know at least the brief basics of the Russian language.
                Quote: Olgovich
                1 was unknown to anyone

                2. After release, already dozens.

                3. After your self-decomposition, to thousands.

                I'll start with point # 3, unlike you, I don't decompose. At least by the fact that I respect and love my country, unlike thousands of people like you and similar self-talkers. who, for the sake of a master's pat on the withers, are ready to turn inside out. At the expense of millions ... Hmm ... Straight "Union of Sword and Plowshare".
                Quote: Olgovich
                Who are they afraid of? WHAT are they afraid of?

                Yes, they are afraid of the truth, you are still scared that for "Faith, Tsar and Fatherland" the people somehow did not really want to fight, but they went for the "bloody Power of the Soviets". I went to defend the gains of the Great October Socialist Revolution, if in abbreviated form it turns out VOSR, not a thief as you write out of ignorance.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Read the memoirs of Euphrosyne, and then laugh if conscience is enough

                And who is Euphrosyne? What is famous for? What has been useful for the homeland? Somehow closer to me, by the nature of the service, are the memoirs of A.I. Pokryshkin, N.M.Skomorokhov, A.N. Efimova, the memories of the first builders of the City of Youth — well, you don’t understand this.
                Quote: Olgovich
                the judgment of a poor ignorant child.

                If you are so self-critical about yourself, then I agree.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 29 June 2020 16: 15 New
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                  Quote: Fitter65
                  A middle-name name is a word. You need to know at least the brief basics of the Russian language.

                  AGAIN:
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  well in your it

                  What is my ... "IT"? lol
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  I'll start with point # 3, unlike you, I don't decompose. At least by the fact that I respect and love my country, unlike thousands of people like you and similar self-talkers. who, for the sake of a master's pat on the withers, are ready to turn inside out. At the expense of millions ... Hmm ... Straight "Union of Sword and Plowshare

                  1.Not your, 30 years since they self-decayed and self-decomposed.
                  2. No one has the right to be called the only loving country-he has not endowed. And yours-destroyed by 1991
                  3. Oral-only you, bankrupt, and left lol
                  Quote: Fitter65

                  Yes, they are afraid of the truth, you are still scared that for "Faith, Tsar and Fatherland" the people somehow did not really want to fight, but for the "bloody Power of the Soviets" they went.

                  NOBODY for your power-NOT gone, even your party BANKROTOV and you yourself, see. 1991.
                  Shame ..
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  I went to defend the gains of the Great October Socialist Revolution, if in short it turns out VOSR, not a thief as you write from ignorance.

                  In the Second World War-defended the Fatherland.
                  And when it was purely for Vorovtsev it was necessary to stand up — no one stood up — see. 1991 year
                  VOSr became the 1930s, before that-BOP, ignoramus.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  And who is Euphrosyne? What is famous for? What has been useful for the homeland? Somehow closer to me, by the nature of the service, are the memoirs of A.I. Pokryshkin, N.M.Skomorokhov, A.N. Efimova, the memories of the first builders of the City of Youth — well, you don’t understand this.

                  She is a RUSSIAN person - in the best expression of the meaning of this word
                  .
                  And she carried this HIGHEST title with pride and the indescribable highest human DIGNITY, despite all the torture and humiliation. what slaves do not understand.

                  And her feat-in the service of the Fatherland and to people no less important than the people you listed
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  If you are so self-critical about yourself, then I agree.

                  I’m writing YOU, ignoramus.
                  AGAIN did not get it?
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 30 June 2020 00: 43 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    yours-destroyed by 1991

                    You already decide when your country was destroyed in 1917 or 1991. As they say, either remove the cross or put on your underpants.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Her feat, in the service of the Fatherland

                    So to be honest, what is her feat and greatness did not understand.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    NOBODY FOR YOUR POWER — NOT WALK

                    So for yours, everyone is still against it.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    VOSr became the 1930s, before that-BOP, ignoramus.

                    October Revolution [(the full official name in the USSR is “The Great October Socialist Revolution”; other names that are widely used in historiography: October Revolution, “October Uprising”, “Red October”, “Great October”, “Bolshevik Revolution”) - armed uprising in October (in the new style - in November) 1917 So your favorite reduction somehow did not slip. And who is ignorant and ignorant? By the way, being an ardent anti-Soviet does not mean being literate and educated ...
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    In the Second World War-defended the Fatherland.

                    World War II, you say? .. The Great Patriotic War of the Soviet people, where the people defended their homeland and worldview
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    slaves do not understand.

                    Here it’s real. You are not given slaves to understand what freedom is.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 30 June 2020 06: 53 New
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                      Quote: Fitter65
                      You already decide when your country was destroyed in 1917 or 1991. As they say, either remove the cross or put on your underpants.

                      belay
                      Destroyed from 1917 to 1991: in just 70 years-EXTINCTION and the borders of the 17th century, so wrap your cross in the same piece of clothing
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      So your favorite reduction somehow did not slip.

                      It was called "socialist" only in the 1930s.
                      Did it come, no, ignoramus?

                      Therefore, a thief with a thief is a very symbolic name that defined their essence.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      World War II, you say? .. The Great Patriotic War of the Soviet people, where the people defended their homeland and worldview

                      Fatherland was (with a capital letter), like the whole THOUSAND years of history, regardless of regime.
                      But purely for the regime - even YOU disdained to speak in 1991
                      Shame ...
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Here it’s real. You are not given slaves to understand what freedom is.

                      Slaves are those who roar on command: "Glory to the Yagoda" and .... then "Death to the Yagoda, etc."
              2. Hantengri
                Hantengri 29 June 2020 19: 44 New
                +5
                Quote: Olgovich
                Read the memoirs of Euphrosyne, and then laugh if conscience is enough

                I read (a long time ago). He laughed in places. The lady, I must say, had a very violent fantasy!
                From my purely cynical point of view, all the sorrows that fell on the porcelain head of this romantic [stupid woman] is a consequence of the fact that her ability to predict the inevitable consequences of her actions in the real world (and not in the pink elf universe) was approximately equal the ability of the adult canary brain to solve Fermat’s theorem.

                P / S / Conscience! Aw! I'm waiting for you to start torturing me! Olgovich promised, but you still aren't here ... Where are you lost?laughing
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 13: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            PS The film is shot, by the way,

            I even guess they will. Something like "Zuleikha opens her eyes."
            In which one absurdity sits on another absurdity and chases the third absurdity.
            I wish you enjoy this movie. wassat
            1. Whispering in the night
              Whispering in the night 29 June 2020 14: 42 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              I even guess they will. Something like "Zuleikha opens her eyes."
              In which one absurdity sits on another absurdity and chases the third absurdity.
              I wish you enjoy this movie. wassat

              Olgich is absolutely right, Efrosinya Kersnovskaya is a real person, her biography is well known, has not been refuted or questioned by anyone, there are her memoirs "How Much is a Man" with a large number of her own drawings. In general, a heroic Woman with a capital letter, who endured on her fragile shoulders as much as few of the men could endure, and did not break at the same time. No match for you, capable only of unfounded spit on everything and everyone who does not fit into your long-rotten worldview!
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 14: 54 New
                +3
                You heard a ring, but you don’t know where it is. I do not deny that -
                Quote: Whispering in the night

                , Efrosinya Kersnovskaya is a real person, her biography is well known, not refuted by anyone and not

                I only, knowing what taiga is, deny the likelihood that a sick woman went through 1500 km in the taiga in winter. All.
                Whisper these fables to your grandson, he will believe. And when he grows up - he laughs, he says - he bent into his grandfather.
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 29 June 2020 15: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  I only, knowing what taiga is, deny the likelihood that a sick woman went through 1500 km in the taiga in winter. All.

                  Not all the time in winter. She escaped in the second half of February, and caught her in August.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 29 June 2020 18: 15 New
                    +4
                    Do you think it’s easier to go in the taiga in the summer? Yes, her mosquitoes and midges will be eaten alive.
                2. Whispering in the night
                  Whispering in the night 1 July 2020 10: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  You heard a ring, but you don’t know where it is.

                  It is with you, apparently. And I read her own memoirs and I completely believe her. Yes, over time, she might have forgotten something, inaccuracies are quite possible, but these are unimportant trifles that do not cross out her tragic biography as a whole, described in her memoirs.

                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Whisper these fables to your grandson, he will believe.

                  Leave these tips for your granddaughters and granddaughters, and I, with your permission, will decide for myself somehow how and by whose examples I will bring up.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 1 July 2020 13: 56 New
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                    Quote: Whispering in the night

                    And I read her own memoirs and I completely believe her. Yes, as time passes she

                    I do not dispute that you read her own memoirs. As well as the fact that you read the handwritten COMPOSITIONS of Solzhenitsyn, Rezun, Volkogonov, etc. Those scribblers also traveled freely on their free and gullible ears.
                    1. Whispering in the night
                      Whispering in the night 1 July 2020 16: 07 New
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                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                      I do not dispute that you read her own memoirs. As well as the fact that you read the handwritten COMPOSITIONS of Solzhenitsyn, Rezun, Volkogonov, etc. Those scribblers also traveled freely on their free and gullible ears.

                      It is incorrect and ugly to put on the same level the writings of publicists, often engaged (by the way, the Reds, by the way, have no less of them) and the memories of a person who experienced all the "delights" of his unhappy biography on his own, sorry, skin!
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 1 July 2020 16: 36 New
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                        Quote: Whispering in the night
                        memories of a man who experienced all the "delights" of his unhappy biography on his own, sorry, skin!

                        Come on you.
                        There are millions of such people who "experienced all the delights of an unfortunate biography," especially during the war. But not everyone can describe it all so colorfully.
                        Tell you how my future aunt lost just received food cards for the whole family in 42? And in the family besides her 13 years old, there was also my future mother 16 years old, three younger brothers and a grandmother. Or how my mother was sent to peat harvesting in June, in summer clothes, and she returned only in October, in the same clothes. And she didn’t write tearful memoirs.
                      2. Whispering in the night
                        Whispering in the night 1 July 2020 17: 44 New
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                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                        Come on you.
                        There are millions of such people who "experienced all the delights of an unfortunate biography," especially during the war. But not everyone can describe it all so colorfully.
                        Tell you how my future aunt lost just received food cards for the whole family in 42? And in the family besides her 13 years old, there was also my future mother 16 years old, three younger brothers and a grandmother. Or how my mother was sent to peat harvesting in June, in summer clothes, and she returned only in October, in the same clothes. And she didn’t write tearful memoirs.

                        When Kersnovskaya and her mother were thrown out of their home along with the confiscation of all property, then there was no trace of war. As there was no war, when Kersnovskaya was sent into exile.
                        And, in any case, this woman is worthy of respect even for having gone through many trials, for 12 years she had been clamoring for links and camps, but she did not break down and remained human. Trying to insult or humiliate her somehow is, at the very least, dishonorable and unworthy of a normal person. However, this does not apply to red zombies, they can.

                        ps And what does the loss of your aunt grocery cards during the war? In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev uncle?
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 1 July 2020 20: 23 New
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                        Quote: Whispering in the night

                        When Kersnovskaya and her mother were thrown out of their own home along with the confiscation of all property

                        Only Krestovsky suffered such a fate? What am I talking about!
                        But you write in boiling water only about the fate of Krestovsky.
                        Quote: Whispering in the night
                        then there was no war even in sight. As there was no war, when Kersnovskaya was sent into exile.

                        We are not talking about peace and war; we are not talking about the HEAVY TEST FALLED ON A PERSON.
                        So such tests fell to the share of millions of people, and more severe, even with its 1500 km in the taiga barefoot.
                        Quote: Whispering in the night
                        at least for the fact that she went through many trials, for 12 years she would have poked around links and camps for nothing, but she did not break down and remained human.

                        What a dumb, I'm not trying to offend anyone. I simply treat the memoirs with a certain amount of distrust. If only because none of the memoirists, in his memoirs, said about himself - I broke down, I did not remain human. Allegorically of course. All memoirists expose themselves, of course, in the best light. And this is natural.
                        They always find a logical explanation for their mistakes, mistakes, crimes, according to which it turns out that he is white and fluffy, but the power, or someone else, is to blame for all his troubles.
                        Quote: Whispering in the night

                        ps And what does the loss of your aunt grocery cards during the war? In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev uncle?

                        What a dull one. And to imagine poorly, to be left without food for a whole month from the word at all? And this is not in a village where there is "pasture", this is a city. We're talking about trials, aren't we? No?
                      4. Whispering in the night
                        Whispering in the night 2 July 2020 11: 39 New
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                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                        Only Krestovsky suffered such a fate? What am I talking about!
                        But you write in boiling water only about the fate of Krestovsky.

                        Not Krestovsky, but Kersnovskaya, and not boiling water, but I am writing my point of view, we will begin with this. And the conversation originally went specifically about Kersnovskaya and her memoirs, what do the abstract others have to do with it?

                        We are not talking about peace and war; we are not talking about the HEAVY TEST FALLED ON A PERSON.
                        So such tests fell to the share of millions of people, and more severe, even with its 1500 km in the taiga barefoot.

                        I don’t know what you’re talking about (or, perhaps, using your jargon, you write boiling water) you, and I initially wrote not about millions, but about Kersnovskaya.

                        What a stupid, I'm not trying to insult anyone.

                        I got what you mean...

                        What a dull one. And to imagine poorly, to be left without food for a whole month from the word at all? And this is not in a village where there is "pasture", this is a city. We're talking about trials, aren't we? No?

                        I repeat, from the first post I wrote specifically about Efrosinya Kersnovskaya and her tragic fate. I started writing when I saw that she was being insulted and slandered against her, and you can write about anything, your right.
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 2 July 2020 20: 17 New
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                        Quote: Whispering in the night
                        write when I saw that she was being insulted and slandered on her, and you can write about anything, your right.

                        You misunderstood me from the beginning.
                        I did not insult or slander Kersnovskaya (Sorry for the previously incorrectly written name of your heroine)
                        I just questioned 1500 km. passed by her in the taiga alone. (!!!) And these doubts are based on my knowledge of taiga.
      4. Hantengri
        Hantengri 29 June 2020 15: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Whispering in the night
        Olgich is absolutely right, Efrosinya Kersnovskaya is a real person, her biography is well known, has not been refuted by anyone and has not been called into question,

        Solzhenitsyn is also a very real person, and his biography is also well known, but this in no way prevents him from lying. What prevents Kersnovskaya, say, from slightly embellishing her adventures in the taiga? She lied about the fact that she was forbidden to buy warm clothes until the frost hit -40.
        1. Whispering in the night
          Whispering in the night 1 July 2020 10: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: HanTengri

          Solzhenitsyn is also a very real person, and his biography is also well known, but this in no way prevents him from lying. What prevents Kersnovskaya, say, from slightly embellishing her adventures in the taiga? She lied about the fact that she was forbidden to buy warm clothes until the frost hit -40.

          In this case, the Communists are also very real people, and what prevents them, too, to put it mildly, from embellishing their affairs and history?
          And Kersnovskaya wrote her memoirs from memory, much later than the events described, she could forget something, inaccuracies in this case are inevitable, but in the main, in her tragic (through the fault of the red) biography, she is true and honest.
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 1 July 2020 11: 36 New
            -2
            Quote: Whispering in the night
            In this case, the Communists are also very real people, and what prevents them, too, to put it mildly, from embellishing their affairs and history?

            Nothing interferes. Especially in the memoirs. Therefore, only an impartial study of documentary sources can give a picture that is close to reality.
            Quote: Whispering in the night
            And Kersnovskaya wrote her memoirs from memory, much later than the events described, something could be forgotten, inaccuracies in this case are inevitable,

            Well, yes, because people with good faces can only make some inaccuracies, forgetfulness, and lie, trying to whitewash, or put themselves in a better light, or for some other reason they, unlike red ghouls, have not been accustomed from childhood. lol Therefore, all decent people should believe every line of their memoirs, like Holy Scripture! Try to double-check the facts? What for?! She is an honest man! laughing
            Quote: Whispering in the night
            however, in the main thing, in her tragic (through the fault of the Reds) biography, she is truthful and honest.

            You see, you don't need objectivity either. For you, in Kersnovskaya's memoirs, the most important thing is that "through the fault of the Reds." And to what extent, where, to what extent and for what reason she lies, describing her misadventures (and in her memoirs, to one degree or another, everyone is lying) is the tenth thing.
            1. Whispering in the night
              Whispering in the night 1 July 2020 12: 04 New
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              Quote: HanTengri

              Nothing interferes. Especially in the memoirs. Therefore, only an impartial study of documentary sources can give a picture that is close to reality.

              We are not at the hearing, thank God, therefore there are enough memoirs and general information about the biography.

              Well, yes, because people with nice faces

              I don't know what "people with good faces" are.

              Therefore, all decent people should believe every line of their memoirs, like Holy Scripture! Try to double-check the facts? What for?! She is an honest man!

              Again. No one calls to believe every line or letter of Kersnovskaya or anyone else (including yours personally), the well-known facts of her biography, superimposed on memoirs, are quite enough.

              You see, you don't need objectivity either. For you, in Kersnovskaya's memoirs, the most important thing is that "through the fault of the Reds." And to what extent, where, to what extent and for what reason she lies, describing her misadventures (and in her memoirs, to one degree or another, everyone is lying) is the tenth thing.

              Absolute objectivity was not and will not be anywhere and no one, among the red memoirists and historians as well. As for Kersnovskaya, that is, the fact of her absolutely normal, innocent life before Bessarabia became part of the Union and there is the fact of her exile for nothing, for the origin and availability of her own farm (the landowner, she’s taking her to the corral!).
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 2 July 2020 20: 21 New
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            Quote: Whispering in the night
            case is inevitable, but in the main, in her tragic (through the fault of the red) biography, she is truthful and honest.

            Well, yes, Kersnovskaya is all so white and fluffy (I admit it, everything can be), but here, that all the red ones (!) Of the front are to blame, is it yours or her excesses?
            1. Whispering in the night
              Whispering in the night 3 July 2020 16: 55 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk

              Well, yes, Kersnovskaya is all so white and fluffy (I admit it, everything can be), but here, that all the red ones (!) Of the front are to blame, is it yours or her excesses?

              And where did I write that ALL the red ones are to blame, what kind of habit do you generalize? I was referring specifically to those who repressed Kersnovskaya, but these were neither white nor Martians, right?
          3. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 3 July 2020 19: 49 New
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            Quote: Whispering in the night

            In this case, the Communists are also very real people, and what prevents them, too, to put it mildly, from embellishing their affairs and history?

            And why should they embellish their affairs? They are so brilliant. They led Russia from a backward agrarian to a leading industrial power. Doesn't that count?
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri 29 June 2020 13: 02 New
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Green
    1500 km.! In the taiga! On foot! - That's cool!
    It is necessary to prompt the liberals to make a film.

    Are you talking about Zuleikha, with her eyes not enough? Now we need more about the noblewoman-survivor Fofochka ,? Who, being (according to her) sick, was so sick that she could not go to work, after the bloody Bolsheviks refused to write her an exemption from work, was so upset that ... In general, "And she went to the daring escape in the same night "(s)! (And where did the "sick woman" have only strength! lol )
    At the same time (from her own words), at first, fearing to be betrayed by the locals, she most often spent the night in the taiga. Imagine, in February, in the taiga, in Siberia, a woman, so sick that she needed release from work, over and over again sleeps alone, tired, hungry in the snow, and does not die, at the same time !? Apparently I found, on the way, a "nyamka" with endless life ... wassat
  • BAI
    BAI 29 June 2020 18: 56 New
    +6
    When I was in Siberia on campaigns, we naturally communicated with local hunters in the villages where the road (path) is, how to get through, where what. So in kilometers no one counts the distance. Who will count these kilometers in Siberia? Everything was measured by walking days. 2 days journey, a week journey, 4 days walk, etc. Although on Podkamennaya Tunguska there are kilometer posts - with a step of 5 km.
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 30 June 2020 21: 58 New
    +1
    Maresyev. The story of a real person.
  • Octopus
    Octopus 29 June 2020 11: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    The author missed, alas, a very important point: in March 1918, under the Treaty between Romania and the RSFSR, Romania undertook to withdraw troops from the occupied territory of Russia-Bessarabia, which it did not fulfill.

    )))
    Again your inner world.

    The RSFSR appeared in July 18th of the year. In March 18, on behalf of the Soviet government, papers with the Romanians were signed by his former Excellency Comrade. MA Muravyov, who was nothing more than a typical Ukrainian daddy of that period, with his activities of the "plunder the loot" format irritated even the Bolsheviks, which is rarely seen.

    The Bolsheviks slapped him a year later. Of course, they did the right thing.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 June 2020 12: 26 New
      -4
      Quote: Octopus
      Again your inner world.

      RSFSR appeared in July 18th

      Again you slut:
      Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic - this name is first mentionedI January 21 (February 3) 1918 in the Decree on the cancellation of state loans, the decree was signed by the Chairman of the Central Executive Committee Y. Sverdlov ..

      Got it, no?
      Quote: Octopus
      In March 18, on behalf of the Soviet government, pieces of paper with Romanians signed his former excellency Comrade M.A. Muravyov, who was nothing more than a typical Ukrainian dad of that period,

      On, ignoramus:
      Source: https://diphis.ru/soglashenie_mejdu_rsfsr_i_ruminiey_ob_ochishe-a1229.htm

      Agreement between the RSFSR and Romania on the purification by Romania of Bessarabiaconcluded in Iasi on March 5, 1918 and in Odessa on March 9, 1918 [Commissioners: RSFSR - Rakovsky, Brasovan, Yudovsky, Voronsky and Muravyov, Romania - Averescu.] (Extract)
      Art. 1. Romania pledges to clear Bessarabia within two months ...
      etc.

      What ... dad? Which ... Ukraine?

      The fact that he was sent is, of course, correct: and most importantly, his own.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 29 June 2020 22: 45 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic - this name is mentioned for the first time

        Quote: Olgovich
        Agreement between the RSFSR and Romania on the purification by Romania of Bessarabia

        )))
        Since the Bolshevik comrades have not yet decided which country they represent, their side is called three different names in the text of the treaty.
        Quote: Olgovich
        Rakovsky, Brasovan, Yudovsky, Voronsky and Muravyov

        The Bolsheviks managed to shoot three enemies of the people, did not have time for one, he died (Yudovsky), Brasov lost somewhere.

        So what, you say, do the order with this piece of paper? Perform, or what?

        Art. 9. To resolve the misunderstandings that may arise between Romania and the Russian Federation of the Soviet Republics of the Soviet Republics, international commissions are formed in Odessa, Kiev, Moscow, Petrograd, Iasi and Galati from representatives of Russia and Romania, England, France and the United States.


        What was the US position on this issue?
        1. Liam
          Liam 29 June 2020 23: 35 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Rakovsky, Brasovan, Yudovsky, Voronsky and Muravyov

          Who are these people? Where did they come from? Who did they represent and on what grounds?
          Quote: Octopus
          Since the Bolshevik comrades have not yet decided which country they represent

          This rabble did not represent any country. These idlers represented such a powerful body as Rumcherod, who took several thousand Romanian citizens hostage in Odessa, with robberies, violence and other funny manifestations of revolutionary self-consciousness. This document dealt with the fact that Romania was obliged not to keep in Moldavia more 10.000 soldiers for this gang was afraid of the Romanian offensive in Ukraine, or rather the Odessa Republic, or as they then self-named.
          Naturally, these street children did not have any powers with regard to Moldova. The Moldavian Democratic Republic (recognized by the way as the Petrosoviet and SNK) was represented by Sfatul Tsarii and the government created by him which has no side to these figures.
          Quote: Octopus
          So what, you say, do the order with this piece of paper?


          This piece of paper had the same "force" as the Rumcherod himself, who disappeared from sight in a few days in connection with the German offensive in Ukraine.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 30 June 2020 01: 29 New
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            Quote: Liam
            Who are these people?

            )))

            These are the best people of the city.

            Rakovsky Christian Georgievich - Balkan adventurer, world citizen, professional good person. He was a couple of times in arrivals in Russia, from where he was expelled. During WWII, he fought for peace with German money, and therefore ended up in a Romanian prison. In November 17th he reappears in Russia, 4 months later he signs up as Chairman of the Supreme Autonomous College of the Council of People's Commissars for Russian-Romanian Affairs.

            In the 37th he was arrested, in the 41st he was shot.

            M. Brasovan - signed as Commissioner for Foreign Affairs of the Odessa Soviet Republic; nothing else is known to the Internet.

            Yudovsky Vladimir Grigorievich. Professional Bolshevik, a medical assistant by training. In October 17th, as part of a group of comrades, he was sent by the Petrosoviet to Odessa, from December 17th to May 18th he signed as chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the Councils of the Romanian Front, Black Sea Fleet and Odessa (Rumcherod). Since the 20s on teaching (teaches the history of the CPSU (b)). Comrade Unfortunately, Yezhov did not cross.

            Voronsky Alexander Konstantinovich. Retired seminarist, professional Bolshevik. Signed as Chairman of the Executive Committee of Odessa Councils of Deputies. Subsequently, he retrained as a literary critic. Enemy of the people, shot.

            Muravyov Mikhail Artemievich, former captain of the former Russian former Army. From February to April 18th, signed as Commander-in-Chief of the Southern Soviet Armies. In July of the same year, he was shot dead by Latvian arrows during his rebellion in Simbirsk.

            What can be said about these Soviet people who signed the same historical document to which Comrade Stalin and Olgovich substantiate the "rights" of the USSR to Bessarabia? It's a pity, a pity.

            It is a pity that the Romanians did not hang all this mold in the same place.
            Quote: Liam
            The Moldavian Democratic Republic (recognized by the way by the Petrosoviet and SNK) was represented by Sfatul Tsarii and the government created by him which has no side to these figures.

            Bourgeois fiction. Comrade It is better for Stalin and Olgovich to know who they represented.
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        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 30 June 2020 07: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Octopus
          Since the Bolshevik comrades have not yet decided which country they represent, their side is called three different names in the text of the treaty.

          The RSFSR was officially named one as far back as January 1918, and not in July 1918, as you were a slut.
          That's what poked you.
          Quote: Octopus
          The Bolsheviks managed to shoot three enemies of the people, did not have time for one, he died (Yudovsky), Brasov lost somewhere.

          But not one Muravyov that you carried on sloppiness, the desire for shocking and illiteracy
          Quote: Octopus
          So what, you say, do the order with this piece of paper? Perform, or what?

          And why not fulfill the signed official contract?
          And what
  • mister-red
    mister-red 29 June 2020 23: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Just about: the lands are RUSSIAN, but they were not returned to Russia at all (see in the window), but they created the states of "moldavia" there.

    If you look too deep into history, then nothing good will come of it.
    Yes, the territory of Bessarabia was once part of Russia, but it was somewhere until the 13th century. And then there was the Moldavian state. When Russia annexed Bessrabia, it was a part of this state, with the exception of the south, where the Tatars Khanate of Budzhak was.
    And it is not interesting how this territory could be returned to Russia if Ukraine is in the middle. For example, PMR voted for example two times for joining Russia, and so what? Geography cannot be deceived.
    And the state of "moldavia" as you write, no one created, it was. By the way, Moldova is one of the 5 former republics of the USSR, which have ever had their own statehood. The other four are Russia, Lithuania, Georgia and Armenia. No one else had a state of their own. And sometimes there was no such nation.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 June 2020 09: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: mister-red
      If you look too deep into history, then nothing good will come of it.

      What is good"?
      Quote: mister-red
      And then there was the Moldavian state. When Russia annexed Bessrabia, it was a part of this state, with the exception of the south, where the Tatars Khanate of Budzhak was.

      1. With whom did Russia fight in the 18-19 centuries there?
      Listen to you so ... with the Principality of Moldova lol

      2. More than 40% of the Dniester-Prut interfluve territory was directly subordinate to the Turkish Sultan. Porta. Ask what paradise is.
      The Principality of Moldova is almost nothing.

      3. There was no ... Bujak Khanate. Ask what the Khanate is
      Quote: mister-red
      And it is not interesting how this territory could be returned to Russia if Ukraine is in the middle.

      At least in the middle, at least in the ass: a lot of countries have enclaves spaced thousands of kilometers away.
      Quote: mister-red
      And the state of "moldavia" as you write, no one created, it was.

      There was NEVER-bring the documents of the opposite with the state "Moldavia" for this interfluve territory.
      Quote: mister-red
      By the way, Moldova is among the 5 former republics of the USSR, which have ever had their own statehood. The other four are Russia, Lithuania, Georgia and Armenia.

      Not by the way: the principality of Moldova had statehood, many times larger than "moldavia".

      So it is possible to give statehood to Ukraine, and its future territory was part of the Commonwealth.
      1. mister-red
        mister-red 30 June 2020 17: 46 New
        +1
        What is good"?

        I do not know. But it’s bad, if Greece claims the Crimea, for example. The oldest cities there are Greek. I’m just about this - no need to delve deeply into history.

        With whom did Russia fight in the 18-19 centuries there?
        Listen to you so ... with the Principality of Moldova

        Very funny. Russia at the end of the 19th century fought with Turkey to liberate Bulgaria. But Bulgaria was not there, it was the Ottoman Empire. So call this war not liberation, but predatory, by tearing off a piece of territory from the Ottoman Empire. Really do not want to?

        Quote: Olgovich
        There was no ... Bujak Khanate.

        Good - Horde. Will there be objections?

        Quote: Olgovich
        more than 40% of the Dniester-Prut interfluve territory was directly subordinate to the Turkish sultan

        As if in the know. What does it change? Poland in the 19th century did not exist at all.

        There was NEVER-bring the documents of the opposite with the state "Moldavia" for this interfluve territory.

        As if there are cards. In Belgorod Dniester there is a fortress, which was built by Stefan in the early 16th century. He built it in another state, and not in his own country?

        Not by the way: the principality of Moldova had statehood, many times larger than "moldavia".

        Romanians or what? It is the Romanians who believe that there is no Moldova and no Moldovans. I am very allergic to such words.
        You see what story - the main part of Moldova became part of Romania and they even changed the name of their nation. As part of that state, we have every right to this name.
        Come on differently. For example, the story went a different way, Russia fell apart, pulled it apart, etc. And some region, let it be Arkhangelsk, has retained sovereignty and continues to be called Russia. The other is not Russia. Has the right to? Of course. Something like this

        Quote: Olgovich
        So it is possible to give statehood to Ukraine, and its future territory was part of the Commonwealth.

        So until then, the arguments were more or less, but this mediocre. Ukraine as a state with that name has never been anywhere. Ukrainians had statehood of course, but then they still did not know that they were Ukrainians.
        1. Liam
          Liam 30 June 2020 19: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: mister-red
          Belgorod Dniester is a fortress, which was built by Stefan in the early 16th century

          Forty, Khotin, Orhei, Chisinau. All from that period
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 July 2020 09: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: mister-red
          Very funny. Russia at the end of the 19th century fought with Turkey to liberate Bulgaria.

          Russia did NOT fight with the Principality of Moldova, as it turned out for you, it fought with PORTA, and it took away territories from it. Moldavian detachments fought CONSUMERLY with Russia.

          Bulgaria - Much Faster Ports Find This Out
          Quote: mister-red
          But it’s bad, if Greece claims the Crimea, for example. The oldest cities there are Greek.

          lol
          Quote: mister-red
          Good - Horde. Will there be objections?

          This horde is NOT a khanate-state-this is the essence. She obeyed the Crimean Khan.
          Quote: mister-red
          As if there are cards. In Belgorod Dniester there is a fortress, which was built by Stefan in the early 16th century. He built it in another state, and not in his own country?

          In Moldavia? lol

          And yes, find out: it was not he who built it initially: it’s in XIII century Golden Horde Khan Berke and got the name Ak-Libo. In the XNUMXth century Genoese got the right (label) to use the fortress as a fortified shopping center (Genoese used the name Mavrokastro, Moncastro)

          It was Moldavian only .... 1 (ONE!) Century from the middle of the 14th to the middle of the 15th century. And then THREE stolotetiya is a PORT, which both built and rebuilt and from there fought with Russia.

          Quote: mister-red
          Romanians or what? It is the Romanians who believe that there is no Moldova and no Moldovans. I am very allergic to such words.
          You see what story - the main part of Moldova became part of Romania and they even changed the name of their nation. As part of that state, we have every right to this name

          People are identical both here and there, like language, but what they call themselves is their business.

          And there was MOLDOVA, and not Moldova, and its capital there, and shrines and monasteries.
          Moldova has never been.
          Quote: mister-red
          Ukrainians had statehood of course, but then they still did not knowthat they are Ukrainians

          lol Nejia to have the statehood of what ... did not know
          1. mister-red
            mister-red 2 July 2020 18: 58 New
            0
            And there was MOLDOVA, and not Moldova, and its capital there, and shrines and monasteries.
            Moldova has never been.

            If you bother to read at least one document from the time of Stefan, you can be surprised sooner, later, but these documents were in Cyrillic and the country is called Moldova there.
            You may not be aware, but Moldova is the Moldavian name of the country, in Russian it is Moldova, if we are not talking about the official name of the country, the Republic of Moldova.

            It was only Moldavian .... 1 (ONE!) Century from the mid-14th to the mid-15th century.

            Total ding century. Normal saying.
            A whole century. For those times, a lot.

            Bulgaria - Much Faster Ports Find This Out

            I am aware of what? Who cares? Greece is even older, but was also part of the Ottoman Empire.
            And there was the Khazar Khanate, older than Russia. So what? Some kind of childish arguments.

            People are identical both here and there, like language, but what they call themselves is their business.

            Yes, that’s their business. But you see nobody’s business, as we call ourselves and our state. We have the right.
            Xitati are identical on the bill - yes, we are identical with the former regions of that Moldova. But with the rest of the Romanians, as it were, less. There is a difference.
            1. mister-red
              mister-red 2 July 2020 20: 31 New
              0
              Khazar Khanate

              Kaganate, of course. And from the khanates they confused his head)
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  • Looking for
    Looking for 30 June 2020 15: 49 New
    0
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  • zenion
    zenion 30 June 2020 18: 57 New
    0
    So who didn’t get caught by people?
  • Civil
    Civil 29 June 2020 10: 51 New
    +6
    Results for 2020:
    1. Half of Bessarabia is controlled in the form of a frozen conflict in Transnistria.
    2. Transnistria in a hostile environment.
    3. The minimum salary in Romania, after paying all taxes - 280 euros or 22 000 p.
    average salary, after all taxes - 655 euros or 51 p.
    In Moldova and the PMR are several times lower.
    4. And not part of Russia.
  • apro
    apro 29 June 2020 05: 17 New
    +4
    The weak lose. The strong return.
    The USSR never recognized this capture. And did everything planned for the reunification of our people.
  • Comrade
    Comrade 29 June 2020 05: 29 New
    11
    Moscow informed Berlin that it was going to return Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina at the same time. Berlin expressed surprise and only argued a little about Bukovina. Formally, it was never formally part of Russia, and in the 1939 pact it was not mentioned. However, the Germans did not quarrel over such a trifle and agreed. On June 26, 1940, Molotov presented the Romanian ambassador with a demand to transfer Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, a paradoxical situation developed.
    On the one hand, Ukraine considers the liberation campaigns of the Red Army "criminal", on the other hand, Ukraine categorically refuses to return the land to its neighbors - Poles, Hungarians and other Romanians - "criminally" cut to Ukraine by Comrade Stalin in 1939-1940.
    Since Ukraine is so ideological and principled, let it return, within the framework of "decommunization", both Galicia, Transcarpathia and Bukovina to its neighbors, or only knows how to demolish monuments and rename streets?
    1. tatra
      tatra 29 June 2020 06: 42 New
      -1
      Thank you for confirming my words about YOU, the enemies of the Communists. .
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 June 2020 17: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: tatra
        Thank you for confirming my words about YOU, the enemies of the Communists. .

        Hello again, dump truck. But I, naive, thought that paranoia was just about me. Well, share it for free. yes You see, the thing is this: the worst enemies of the Communists are the Communists themselves, who have turned from fiery fighters for ideas into hucksters and petty bourgeois consumers, yeah. Those who flew higher, and at all felt themselves great princes, celestials from socialism.
        All this was implicated in the steepest way on the limitless lies of everyone to everyone. And yes, the moment: the phrase repeated endlessly to and from the place raises doubts about the adequacy of this phrase of the speaker. hi
        1. tatra
          tatra 29 June 2020 18: 00 New
          -1
          Well, why do I need, for the millionth time, the ideology of the enemies of the communists and your Yeltsin-Putin government "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all communists to blame"?
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 29 June 2020 20: 59 New
          +1
          You see, the thing is this: the worst enemies of the Communists - the essence of the Communists

          It’s for sure, from the first days to the last, like spiders in a bank, from mass sweeps of themselves and ice axes, to throwing party cards on the table and the collapse of their own state.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 29 June 2020 07: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Comrade
      Since Ukraine is so ideological and principled, let it return, within the framework of "decommunization", both Galicia, Transcarpathia and Bukovina to its neighbors, or only knows how to demolish monuments and rename streets?

      And without the desire of Ukraine, these territories will return to their former owners. By and large, within the framework of "decommunization" everything built under the communists should be destroyed, but the spirit is only enough for monuments.
    3. Octopus
      Octopus 29 June 2020 08: 43 New
      -6
      Quote: Comrade
      Galicia, and Transcarpathia and Bukovina neighbors

      And is someone going to take them back?

      Little land is only for Russians, the rest is enough.
    4. zenion
      zenion 30 June 2020 18: 59 New
      +2
      You do not forget all of eastern Ukraine was Russia, but Lenin annexed it to Ukraine, so that they had where to work and have a presentation.
  • Far B
    Far B 29 June 2020 06: 17 New
    +3
    how Stalin returned Bessarabia to Russia
    brazenly. Handsomely. Recklessly. Even Hitler went nuts, advising Antonescu to accept this as a fact.
    Putin similarly returned Crimea. That is why in 2014 his support increased so sharply. But Putin is not Stalin, alas. Even close.
    1. tatra
      tatra 29 June 2020 06: 49 New
      +2
      The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR always have double standards in everything, they evaluate all facts, including from the history of their country, depending on how beneficial it is to them. For the benefit of Nicholas II, who is praised by them, they justify or “do not notice” all the facts that they, with their hypocritical “righteous anger,” expose for the crimes of Stalin, slandered by them for the benefit of Stalin. So, they expose for Stalin's crimes what he returned to the country's territory, and for Putin they expose the same thing for his great achievement. They rage against the fact that the Soviet communists invested a lot of money in the military-industrial complex and the army during the Cold War unleashed by the West, and Putin is presented for his achievements that he invests a lot in the military-industrial complex and the army, and so on.
      1. 30143
        30143 29 June 2020 09: 23 New
        -2
        What are the enemies of the communists? Their children and relatives, as they ruled, also rule the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Moldova ...
        Just put new faces at the head of the pyramid.
        1. tatra
          tatra 29 June 2020 11: 19 New
          +1
          Here, the 30-year-old ideology of the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame." One of the main qualities of the enemies of the communists, with whom they all 100 years after the October Revolution, prove that they, with a manic fix idea, were eager to take the country away from the Bolshevik communists and their supporters, is fantastic cowardice, fear of the slightest hint of responsibility for what they done with their country and people in the Soviet period and after their capture of the USSR, and for their capture and dismemberment of the USSR into their evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence-self."
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 29 June 2020 11: 21 New
          +7
          I can also say that the USSR was ruled by monarchists because they were all born in the Russian Empire
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 29 June 2020 20: 51 New
            0

            I can also say that the USSR was ruled by monarchists because they were all born in the Russian Empire

            They do not hide, here they constantly write about the "red emperor".
            After 500 years, the new Fomenko will say that Stalin, Napoleon and Caesar are one and the same person. wink
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 29 June 2020 20: 55 New
      -3
      Even Hitler went nuts, advising Antonescu to accept this as a fact.

      Yes, he was on the drum, he believed that soon everything would be up to the Urals.
    3. Liam
      Liam 29 June 2020 23: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      brazenly. Handsomely. Recklessly. Even Hitler went nuts

      And ordered to cook Barbarossa
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 June 2020 06: 41 New
    +5
    How does it relate to the GOVERNOR, who according to the facts became a collector of the Russian Land.
    Anyway, as we became the Imperial People, this spirit has not gone away .... therefore, the Strong Ruler causes us more sympathy than any other.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 29 June 2020 07: 08 New
    +6
    Yeah! To study and study current politicians with comrade I.V. Stalin.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 29 June 2020 08: 13 New
    +2
    VV Mayakovsky wrote about the annexation of Bessarabia: Rome, stands on the Tiber, the Romanians are looking to stiffen ..
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 29 June 2020 09: 46 New
    +3
    got to
    Russia-USSR
    ?!
    and immediately guessed who the author is ...
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 29 June 2020 10: 47 New
    +3
    "Moscow informed Berlin that it is going to return Bessarabia and, at the same time, Northern Bukovina (the majority of the population there were Little Russians-Ukrainians)."
    "Little Russians-Ukrainians" lived on the territory of Little Russia / Ukraine (Middle Dnieper). In Northern Bukovina, the majority of the population were Rusyns or Carpathossians.
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 29 June 2020 11: 04 New
    0
    Interestingly, Romania would have sided with the Germans if it had not been for this return in the fortieth?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 June 2020 11: 21 New
      +5
      They issued the anti-Soviet Union long before it
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 29 June 2020 11: 27 New
        -2
        Suppose there were no options?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 29 June 2020 11: 32 New
          +6
          With the establishment of the fascist regime, yes there were no options
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 June 2020 12: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Tuzik
      Interestingly, Romania would have sided with the Germans if it had not been for this return in the fortieth?

      Certainly: at the same time, the Germans took away from Romania territories TWO TIMES large (and much more valuable than Bessarabia) and transferred them to Hungary and Bulgaria (part of Transylvania and Yu. Dobrudja).

      And they didn’t swallow anything, they were not offended by Giler, but trampled upon the Romanians Odessa and Transnistria promised to them
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 29 June 2020 12: 35 New
        +1
        The Germans did not give anything to Bulgaria! Tsar Boris refused to go to arbitration nen Hitler in Vienna. He wanted and managed to convince Roman in a bilateral agreement, without the participation of other countries. So, on September 07.09.1940, 1919, in the city of Craiova, Bulgaria and Romania signed an agreement on the return of Southern Dobrudja in Bulgaria. In exchange, Bulgaria gave the green light for the exchange of population. The Bulgarians still residing in Severna Dobrudzha were replaced by the Romanian colonists of the settlement in Yuzhnaya after XNUMX. After WWII, when the winners from the AGC canceled all arbitrations of the Third Reich, Yuzhna Dobrudja was rejected by the Bulgarian just for this!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 June 2020 13: 11 New
          -6
          Quote: bagatura
          The Germans did not give anything to Bulgaria! Tsar Boris wanted and managed to convince roman in a bilateral agreement

          Isn’t it funny for you?
          What does it mean .... "convinced" to give up ... YOUR territory, WHERE it has been seen, WHAT are you talking about?

          Hitler to bring Bulgaria, ORDERED Romanians on July 3,15,26 1940 to give to Y. Dobrudjathat they did
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 29 June 2020 14: 29 New
            +1
            Let me know your story better than yours!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 June 2020 15: 02 New
              -6
              Quote: bagatura
              Let me know your story better than yours!

              You are given the FACTS with DATES of Hitler's orders from Romania. GIVE YOU to J. Dobrudja and the reason for this: Hitler needed a loyal Bulgaria. He got it.

              Your SUPERnaynny funny children's babble about the gift of Boris lol ... to persuade by conversation to give land, leave it for IT.

              Hitler did not order Romania earlier, they did not give land to Bulgaria for 20 years (despite your "convictions" for twenty years).

              He ordered in July 1940, and they gave it back.

              What's not clear?
              1. Bagatur
                Bagatur 29 June 2020 15: 26 New
                +2
                Everything is clear! Only vy is right and no one except you))) By the way, the USSR also did not object, and how else? Stalin offered us a treaty like that of the Baltic. They will deploy their troops here ... Of course, they didn’t be such idiots that they agreed ... That is, 1940, we didn’t have any disasters.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 29 June 2020 16: 24 New
                  -9
                  Quote: bagatura
                  Everything is clear! Only you are right and no one except you)

                  RIGHT FACTS.
                  Which you are not able to refute by empty talk
                  Quote: bagatura
                  By the way, the USSR also did not object, and how else?

                  Not only didn’t mind, but promoted it ..

                  I also wanted to get a loyal Bulgaria.

                  But Bulgaria gave the one who paid the most
                  1. Bagatur
                    Bagatur 30 June 2020 10: 58 New
                    -1
                    And what did Stalin offer? Will place troops in Bulgaria, in fact the Baltic version! The occupation, sovietization and all the charm of the NKVD ... Repression, Sylki and the destruction of the elite of the nation! Thank you, but if you like living in a concentration camp, we don’t need such happiness!
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 30 June 2020 11: 06 New
                      -2
                      Quote: bagatura
                      And what did Stalin offer? Will place troops in Bulgaria, in fact the Baltic version! The occupation, sovietization and all the charm of the NKVD ... Repression, Sylki and the destruction of the elite of the nation! Thank you, but if you like living in a concentration camp, we don’t need such happiness!

                      Who paid more for Bulgaria, to which she gave.

                      and there is a very precise word for these "actions".

                      Sold out Germany - universal evil. whether you like it or not.

                      All other woulds are empty chatter.
                      1. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 30 June 2020 11: 14 New
                        -4
                        Why is the USSR better than Germany? Germany did not touch our orders. The USSR knows what it has done to Eastern Europe after 45!
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 30 June 2020 12: 50 New
                        -2
                        Quote: bagatura
                        Why is the USSR better than Germany?
                        In general, the descendants of the Nazi ministers lost shame .....

                        The USSR SAVED the world from Nazism, which YOU have faithfully served, the allies of the Nazis.
                        Quote: bagatura
                        Germany did not touch our orders. The USSR knows what it has done to Eastern Europe after 45!

                        The USSR gave LIFE to eastern Europe.

                        30 years after 1939. at the pace of destruction that were, there would not be ANY living Pole and Serb.

                        Got it, no?

                        And you and pr saved from disgrace to serve Nazism.

                        Got it, no?

                        Modes come and go, but it was the USSR that gave LIFE.
                      3. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 30 June 2020 15: 39 New
                        -5
                        And your SHAME was scored, right? When, together with the Nazis, Poland was divided, for "glorious victory" over tiny Finland, where a million Red Army soldiers fought gloriously against three million people? Who supplied Germany with all the resources for the war to the west? Forget it? When the Nazis played an ax on your back, then, by compulsion, they became anti-fascists. It's good that big Russia had where to retreat and good allies helped. First look at yourself and then scold anyone!
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 30 June 2020 16: 26 New
                        -2
                        Quote: bagatura
                        And forget your shame, right? When, together with the Nazis, Poland shared

                        Those. You are for Hitler to take over ALL Poland, for the Jews to be sent to Auschwitz for two years in the former East Poland, so that the inhabitants there would be MORE under the Nazis for two years

                        However, what to expect from the justifier of service ... to HITLER.

                        But the USSR did not allow this to materialize and the West ACCEPTED it.
                        Quote: bagatura
                        Who supplied Germany with all the resources for a war to the west? Forget it

                        ALL supplied, including Spain, Sweden, and others. Turkey.
                        trade is called. AND?
                        Quote: bagatura
                        When the Nazis began to play an ax on your back, then by force they became anti-fascists.

                        The USSR is the only country in the world. tried to organize a united European front for the German resistance.
                        Initiatives are many.

                        Europe did not want to.

                        Western animals recognized the fascist Franco, and the USSR fought with him.

                        The West lay under Hitler, and the USSR fought.
                        Quote: bagatura
                        It is good that big Russia had a retreat and good allies helped. at

                        It’s good that we fought with the Nazis

                        It’s bad that they fought on the side of the Nazis.

                        First look at yourself then scold someone.

                        NO from Hitler's Allies / Companions to blame anyone
                      5. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 30 June 2020 21: 57 New
                        -4
                        Ever wondered how easy it is to say who the fascist is? If I ask you now, give a definition. What is it, fascism? Please identify and compare the pyramid of power in Germany and the USSR .... And then we will say.
                      6. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 1 July 2020 09: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: bagatura
                        Ever wondered how easy it is to say who the fascist is? If I ask you now, give a definition. What is it, fascism? Please identify and compare the pyramid of power in Germany and the USSR .... And then we will say.

                        Who are you to set the stage for a conversation?
                        Никто.
                        We will proceed from this.
                      7. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 1 July 2020 14: 05 New
                        0
                        Terms? Not! I just wanted to know how much you know. If you have the time and opportunity, try to compare politically the systems of communism and Nazism. Then we can speak.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 June 2020 12: 43 New
    +2
    Thus, in a week, the USSR grew more than 50 square meters. km and almost four million Romanians became overnight happy Moldovans. hi
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 29 June 2020 14: 31 New
      -5
      Sure! Such happiness, in Stalin's paradise get ....
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 29 June 2020 15: 15 New
        +3
        Well, that’s only Moldavian peasants can answer, and only those 30-40-ies. And since they hardly wrote memoirs, your irony is empty.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 29 June 2020 16: 40 New
          -5
          Professor Medvedev V.I., a war veteran who lost his hand there, worked in the Central Committee of Moldova, found the materials used by him in his Ph.D. thesis that, according to open documents alone, 10000 (+ -) Moldovan peasants were illegally dispossessed and sent to Siberia. And how many were sent so that the documents were not preserved, lost, perished ... So there is everything, there are just people who are far from it.
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 29 June 2020 21: 28 New
        -3
        you see paradise in the German camp
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 30 June 2020 07: 46 New
          -1
          Quote: Ryaruav
          you see paradise in the German camp

          Sick?
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  • deddem
    deddem 29 June 2020 15: 37 New
    +6
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Thus, in a week, the USSR grew more than 50 square meters. km and almost four million Romanians became overnight happy Moldovans. hi


    It turns out strange - Moldova is (by the way, with statehood older than Romanian), but there is no Moldovans?
    There are probably no Scots, some British.
  • BAI
    BAI 29 June 2020 18: 48 New
    +4
    The question is very complicated.
    1. After the accession of Bessarabia, a special appeal was needed from the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs to Romania so that the Romanians would block the border, the flow of refugees to Romania was so massive.
    2. Germany's declaration of war of the USSR was met in Bucharest with applause and festivities. And this walk resulted in several armies on the territory of the USSR. And these armies went to fight not from under the stick, but with great enthusiasm.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 June 2020 09: 17 New
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      Quote: BAI
      a special appeal from the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs to Romania, so that the Romanians would block the border,

      Bring him.
      1. BAI
        BAI 30 June 2020 12: 29 New
        +1
        There is a collection of 1000 pages on Militer. "Documents of the USSR 1939-41". Scroll, I have no time.
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  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 29 June 2020 21: 25 New
    -1
    Stalin returned, and Benya Yeltsman drank and said to the Russians, the suitcase station Russia
  • MA3UTA
    MA3UTA 30 June 2020 01: 30 New
    +1
    Not developed material. Wiki source, how is the foundation?

    Here you can look at the topic of the article.
    History of the Prut-Dniester interfluve
    http://oldchisinau.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1130
    Transition of Bessarabia to Romania
    http://oldchisinau.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5185

    Bessarabia, 1940.
    http://oldchisinau.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=3335


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  • cyx
    cyx 2 July 2020 19: 16 New
    0
    I hope that after a year, Jewish girls from the first photo were evacuated to the east.