When to live well in Russia: we compare the economies of the Russian Federation today and the RSFSR of the 1980s


Russia is often compared in terms of economic development to the RSFSR and usually draw conclusions not in favor of the modern Russian state. So when "living in Russia is good." Has Russia begun to live worse?


First of all, it is worth noting that it is not worth considering the economy in “black and white” colors, especially when it comes to a completely different economic system, which also ceased to exist thirty years ago.

The end of the twentieth - the beginning of the twenty-first centuries. for the whole world became a period of a tremendous technological breakthrough, which greatly changed the lives of people in almost all countries. For example, today even homeless people use mobile communications, and in the RSFSR of the 1980s. landline home phones were not installed at all. But is it worth considering this as confirmation of the superiority of the economy of modern Russia over the Soviet economy?

Both Soviet Russia (RSFSR) and modern Russia have their own strengths and weaknesses in terms of economic development. Moreover, we cannot judge what heights (or falls) a country would have reached, the Soviet Union had not collapsed in 1991, and the transition to a market economy had not occurred. But some indicators to compare the level of economic development of modern Russia with the RSFSR of the late 1980s should still be cited.

The agricultural industry of modern Russia shows success


First of all, let us dwell on the aspect important for the existence of any society - food security. Its level is inextricably linked with the development of agriculture. At first glance, agriculture in the RSFSR was much better developed than in modern Russia: it is enough to drive through the once flourishing and now abandoned state farms and collective farms in order to further strengthen the correctness of this thesis.

But let's turn to the numbers. Grain harvest: the RSFSR in 1987 - 109 million tons per year, Russia in 2019 - 120 million tons. At the same time, in 2018, 113 million tons of grain was collected, and in 2017 - 135,5 million at all. Vegetable harvest: RSFSR 1987 - 11,1 million tons, Russia 2019 - 14 million tons. But the potato harvest “sank”: in 1987, 38 million tons of potatoes were harvested in the RSFSR, and in 2019 in Russia - only 22,2 million tons. But we must pay attention to the decrease in the specific share of potatoes in the diet of Russians. Now he plays an incomparably smaller role in the menu of the average Russian than 30-40 years ago. It is rare that anyone now holds potato stocks at home, especially when it comes to a city apartment.

In egg production, its decline is observed. So, in 1989, 49 billion units were produced. eggs, in 2017 - 44,9 billion pcs. If we talk about milk production, the difference is more impressive: in 1989 - 55,7 million tons of milk, in 2017 - 31,2 million tons. Meat production also does not show much success compared to 1989, but its consumption has increased from 67 kg to 89 kg. The whole question is, is it really “meat” in the classical sense of the word today ...



Light and heavy industry: what are the pros and cons


But not “bread alone,” as they say. What is the situation with other sectors of the Russian economy? The textile industry has clearly weakened: in 1989 the RSFSR produced 8700 million m2 of fabrics, in 2017 Russia - 5957 million m2 of fabrics. However, no one says that the Russian Federation is a strong player in the global market for fabrics and light industry in general: it is not so easy to compete with China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, given the cost of labor in Russia and Bangladesh itself.

There are more cars in modern Russia than in the whole of the USSR: 1,56 million cars in 2018 compared to 1,332 million cars in 1987. It should be understood that part of the production remained outside the borders of modern Russia. Also, the supply of new and used foreign cars does not stop in Russia.

Car accessibility has also increased significantly. It is hard to deny that in modern Russia, anyone who wants to buy a car does it sooner or later, and in a relatively short time. But here, again, one can speak not so much about the merits of Russia, but about the integration of our economy in the world market and technological progress, as well as about a developed credit system that helps to become the owner of your car even with low earnings.



The level of comfort of living conditions of Russians is clearly increasing. Despite the undoubted successes of the USSR in housing construction and the provision of millions of Soviet families with new apartments at that time in Khrushchev and Brezhnevka, the problems of emergency and dilapidated housing were not completely resolved. But if you look at the private sector, especially in large cities, then over the past decades it has changed a lot for the better.

Another question is that most modern Russians, even receiving good money for their work, are not able to solve the housing problem without borrowing in the form of mortgages, just like construction companies cannot build their facilities without relying on bank loans or funds raised participants in shared construction.

At the same time, a number of industries that developed successfully during the Soviet era are now in a very deplorable state. For example, until recent years, in Russia there was virtually no normal civil aircraft industry. Not so long ago, the SSJ-100 project was implemented, the MS-21 project was launched, and the prospect of creating a supersonic airliner is being discussed. Compared with other developed countries of the world, especially the USA, China, Japan, and the Republic of Korea, modern Russia is clearly lagging behind in the production of electronic equipment designed for mass consumption, rather than military needs.

Inflation, periodic ruble collapses, dependence on the export of natural resources, flagrant social inequality, the withdrawal of huge amounts of money abroad, and the debt load on the population do not add gloss to the modern Russian economy. There are a lot of problems and they all need a solution that can hardly take place in the modern political coordinate system. But to deny the good that exists in the life of the modern Russian state is stupid and wrong, as it is wrong to analyze the economy of the RSFSR (USSR) with the category “except galoshes, they didn’t produce anything especially”.

Materials used:
The national economy of the USSR in 1987 (Statistical Yearbook). M., 1988.
GEF. Russia in numbers. M., 2018.
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  1. rocket757 27 June 2020 15: 11 New
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    . There are a lot of problems and they all need a solution that can hardly take place in the modern political coordinate system. But to deny the good that exists in the life of the modern Russian state is stupid and wrong, as it was wrong. But to analyze the economy of the RSFSR (USSR) with the category “except galoshes, they didn’t produce anything especially”.

    The author is a big plus!
    This, of course, is a conditional analysis, a comparison, but for garlic!
    1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 15: 14 New
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      When to live well in Russia:

      When the price of electricity was the same for decades - 4 kopecks per kWh.
      1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich 27 June 2020 15: 22 New
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        Quote: SRC P-15
        When the price of electricity was the same for decades - 4 kopecks per kWh.


        When they stood in the queue for five years for Lada, or when they bought Finnish furniture for a meal, they drove to Moscow for camping trips for sausages .... But yes, housing and communal services cost a penny, they taught what they needed at school, they treated for free, etc. etc.
        1. rocket757 27 June 2020 15: 26 New
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          All on the scales! Compare that is a lot of things.
          1. Tatyana 27 June 2020 16: 25 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            All on the scales! Compare that is a lot of things.
            Many Russians and our country as a whole and now - LATER 30 years (!) Under the socialist system in the USSR - could have lived much better, and not just the former "chosen ones" - consumer upstarts from the foam on the crest of the "perestroika" Gorbachev-Yeltsin wave.

            Privatization in Russia was controlled by the CIA and Chubais! © Polevanov • Jan 5 2020
            1. rocket757 27 June 2020 17: 58 New
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              The meaning of talking about what did not happen ???
              The classic option is the gap between the governing elite and those they govern. A wedge of mistrust, rejection, with all the ensuing consequences, was "driven into this gap." But even then, the people voted in favor of maintaining a single union, a socialist path of development ... but, at the most critical moment, the people did not see the one who was worth supporting !!! The consequences of the activities of both the ruling elite and propaganda from outside.
              Everything is complicated, everything is simple .... like a textbook!
              Not everyone bothered to read it carefully, but it's a pity.
              1. Tatyana 27 June 2020 19: 22 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                The meaning of talking about what did not happen ???

                We must talk about this MANDATORY! Otherwise, it will not be clear what we, the Russians, lost under the current system of power and where the people will need to strive in the future.
                Society should be nationally determined for its bright future!
                This is like creating TK for designers when they design more advanced equipment.

                And there is no way to do without political economy!
                For Politics is an expression of ECONOMIC interests individual person, group of people, individual society, class, people, nation, political classes, professional and religious corporations.
                And ideology is a philosophical and ideological frame for these same politicians.
                And no one in power will voluntarily give away their political and economic interests!

                Therefore, everyone should know why and if he needs to fight.
                1. rocket757 27 June 2020 20: 08 New
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                  You can hover in the clouds, cost grandiose plans, revel in your own ..... but life is easier and more complicated. It is necessary to make a lot of real efforts, to maintain that sho is !!! Because they are trying to destroy it completely, and then move forward from the saved!
                  Our ranks are melting. The last ones will leave, those who remember and honor what was a good year! Who will you inspire to fight, the generation that was brought up according to other patterns?
                  1. NordUral 29 June 2020 19: 58 New
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                    Victor! You trust those who destroy, who are in power. There is nothing to hope for.
                    1. rocket757 29 June 2020 20: 25 New
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                      Eugene soldier
                      Do not make me laugh. I always remind you of one thing, apart, we are nothing, together we are strength.
                      Calling barricades is useless, and harmful, at the moment, in our situation ... there is only one thing, to look for like-minded people, they will unite and learn to achieve their goals TOGETHER! So far, we have to act in the coordinate system that exists ... we just aren’t capable of anything more ... it’s also useful, we won’t win, so at least we’ll warm up, learn, unite and feel our friend’s shoulder .........
                      in general, just like that, everything is strictly according to the textbook, to replenish knowledge that has long been forgotten!
                      1. NordUral 3 July 2020 13: 20 New
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                        Victor, I keep saying this all the time, not about revolutions. It’s time for the people to wake up and unite against these swindlers in power.
                      2. rocket757 3 July 2020 13: 59 New
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                        We affirm, we insist, so it can continue until ......
                      3. NordUral 3 July 2020 17: 31 New
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                        Or wake up, or disappear.
                      4. rocket757 3 July 2020 17: 50 New
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                        Most did not decide / do not believe that you can live better if you make a joint effort ....
                      5. NordUral 3 July 2020 18: 02 New
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                        I don’t know, but I still hope ... But we won’t wake up, so we are worth it - to disappear ingloriously.
        2. aybolyt678 27 June 2020 21: 14 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          And ideology is a philosophical and worldview frame for these same politicians.

          Ideology is what combines palaces with squares smile
          1. Tatyana 28 June 2020 10: 18 New
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            Quote: aybolyt678
            Ideology is what combines palaces with squares

            Ideology formulates moral principles in society, so that society is truly a society - i.e. a community of people that allows them - all its members or for the most part - to survive, to exist and to develop safely.
            On the basis of morality, the legal framework in society is built up among individuals.

            REFERENCE
            Morality - accepted in society ideas about good and bad, right and wrong, good and evil, as well as a set of norms of behavior arising from these ideas.
            1. rocket757 28 June 2020 10: 46 New
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              When ideology goes into a state of empty slogans, in which significant masses of citizens cease to believe ... then the kapets come, and society falls into pieces, when it is one whole.
              1. kotvov 28 June 2020 11: 10 New
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                When ideology goes into a state of empty slogans in which significant masses of citizens cease to believe. ,,
                I think you will not deny that this was done SPECIALLY. Whoever, no matter how the hunchback-Yakovlek clique, has done more for this than all the State Departments combined.
              2. rocket757 28 June 2020 11: 18 New
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                Any crime, misconduct, case, has its own specific responsible faces, full name.
                In this particular case, these were obvious faces from the very top and a certain amount of “gray”, near and near, not so clearly marked.
                This is always what I indicate.
                The degree of guilt to the individuals determines .... in our case, only the grades made by society are a pity that there was no official analysis, but this government does not need this.
      2. Taga 28 June 2020 10: 24 New
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        Golden words!
        1. rocket757 28 June 2020 10: 50 New
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          When the "gold" only shines, in the sun, but there is nothing more valuable in it ..... it is Pyrite, as it is also called the "gold of fools".
    2. If Heaven will still suffer us and not tomorrow ,, finish ,,, then socialism will ALWAYS return to Russia! The state that now rules in our country is not viable. This trading one will definitely collapse. Fantasies about ,, amendments ,, and ,, new terms ,, - they are fantasies. Absolutely empty fantasies. Time is over!
      Therefore, dear rocket757, there is a sense to say. We must take into account the shortcomings of Soviet Russia.
      The main drawback of the everyday level is the lack of ELITE. Who was born not yesterday, he remembers that there were (supposedly) in the USSR only two classes - the proletariat and the peasantry. And ,, layer ,, - ,, working intelligentsia ,,. Such a frivolous attitude to sociology in particular and to TRUTH in general.
      ... Even Stalin, who understands the importance of the elite in state-building, could not grow a full-fledged REAL Soviet elite, although he tried diligently. And the government had n and x, and ZISy, and a beautiful form, and personal award weapons, and evening dresses for wives, and gold jewelry ... ,, The form was. A ,, content ,,?
      Three years after the assassination of (General) Victory Generalissimo, the majority of this “training” elite took on a flight, and began to serve selflessly, the ordinary people, Khrushchev-Perlmutter and his thaw. They justified the conspirators of Tukhachevsky (?!), destroyed the Army and the Ministry of State Security, aviation, artillery, drove (,, reduced ,,) competent and experienced front-line officers ... What kind of power is this, if they were allowed to do so? Mumbled balamutes! Give the name ,, Stalingrad ,,?!
      Without BASIS, without BASE, it is IMPOSSIBLE to educate the elite. This was again confirmed by the events of the early 90s of the last century.
      Russia will not have reliable and real officials until the Law of God is BASED on their upbringing and education. Until he learns in cadet uniforms that he is in full view of the Creator, until he understands that not only his deeds, but his thoughts are known to the Creator, he has nothing to do in the OFFICIAL (OFFICIAL) CASE. There will be no sense! So it will hang out, like a famous thing in the hole. He’s a communist, he’s a market man, then a globalist-Satanist ... And what a loss for Russia! Millionths! How much can ,, experiment ?,? Who will give time for experiments? Such and r about to and, ,, low start ,, ...
      What he said is the MOST IMPORTANT. A real ELITE will be brought up in the future, tomorrow’s state on the territory of Russia, SENSE will return to the life of the country, free apartments, medicine and education will return. The real, not the blown power of the Third Rome will return
      1. andreykolesov123 28 June 2020 09: 52 New
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        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        Khrushchev-Perlmutter

        who is this beast?
    3. sniperino 28 June 2020 13: 02 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      the gap between the governing elite and those they govern.
      The system was popular, and the government was anti-people. There was no theory of socialism (as it still is not), which allowed the authorities to distance themselves from the interests of the people, gave rise to "blat" and clanism ("nomenclature"). The concept of the "transitional stage" did not work; neither the people nor the powers that be expected to live under communism. They both could not help noticing the imbalances in the distribution; for the nomenclature, the concept of "deficit" meant the need for a preliminary call, and for the people, at best, a long or very long idle time in the queue. The starting abilities of the children in these groups were also different, and this gap only widened over time. The anti-people nomenclature understood the illegality of their privileges; therefore, it was vitally interested in overthrowing the popular system for their legalization and subsequent capitalization. ("A Brief History of Developed Socialism" smile )
      1. rocket757 28 June 2020 13: 28 New
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        Everything is like a textbook. Nobody invented anything new.
        And those for whom this turned out to be a surprise simply passed everything by their ears, when it was necessary to LEARN. Extra knowledge DOES NOT HAPPEN.
  2. Hagen 27 June 2020 18: 46 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Many Russians and our country as a whole and now - LATER 30 years (!) Under the socialist system in the USSR - could live much better,

    Of course they could. Moreover, they should have lived better. But at that moment when the party leadership needed the courage to go beyond the dogmas of the formal Soviet economy, there was no courageous leader in the country. Rather, the one that was at the helm was not really a Leader. Today we look at China with a gasp, and there, after all, Kosygin’s views on economic strategy were taken as the basis for development. And we could combine the plan and the market, advice and private initiative.
    1. rocket757 27 June 2020 20: 03 New
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      Quote: Hagen
      Today we look at China with a gasp, and there, after all, Kosygin’s views on economic strategy were taken as the basis for development. And we could combine the plan and the market, advice and private initiative.

      Now, not many people know who the “scythe” is, as the Leader of the peoples called him, and soon there will be no one to listen to how it could be. We will leave, and the next one simply will not be told, they will not be explained how it was or they will stop everything inside out, which is even worse!
      To whom then to explain, whom to lead into a brighter future.
      The current upper ones are preoccupied with educating / preparing those who with pleasure will go just under them ...
      Only real plans, only that which will help preserve the base, for future accomplishments and work very, very, very much to fulfill this.
    2. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 21: 46 New
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      The most interesting thing is that the Kosygin-Liberman reforms were supposed to be implemented on the basis of academician Glushkov. Mathematics and cybernetics. And computer science was to become the basis for these reforms. That is, the computerization of the economy. The world's first digital economy. And we would become leaders in the IT industry. Alas, the stagnant top of the CPSU did not allow these reforms to be implemented.
      1. aleksejkabanets 28 June 2020 07: 28 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        The most interesting thing is that the Kosygin-Liberman reforms were supposed to be implemented on the basis of academician Glushkov. Mathematics and cybernetics. And computer science was to become the basis for these reforms. That is, the computerization of the economy. The world's first digital economy. And we would become leaders in the IT industry. Alas, the stagnant top of the CPSU did not allow these reforms to be implemented.

        Kosygin-Liberman reform, it was a kind of "liberalization" of the economy, a return to commodity-money relations between enterprises. The introduction of the concept of profitability and profitability of the enterprise negatively affected the quality of Soviet products. In my opinion, it was necessary to return to the Stalinist artels and cooperatives, which Khrushchev so thoughtlessly destroyed.
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 10: 04 New
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          Quite the opposite: cost-accounting - as you sink, you burst. Marriage to drive becomes unprofitable. The transition to market relations, as was successfully done in China, according to our recipes, among other things. And there the private trader would have pulled himself up: trade, consumer goods and farewell deficits.
          1. aleksejkabanets 28 June 2020 10: 22 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Quite the opposite: self-financing - how to sink, and to break

            Self-financing, this is from a completely different opera.
          2. vVvAD 29 June 2020 12: 47 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Marriage to drive becomes unprofitable.

            It is unprofitable to drive a marriage, but what was considered a marriage in Soviet times, is now produced purposefully, and not through the fault of the performer, as just a cheap and low-quality product or as a product with a predetermined limited life by creating weak links. And it is profitable to produce both options, because they will have to be changed more often.
            And do not care about the frantic waste of resources in the pipe and the environment - we will flood the whole world! And they failed.
            And it’s cheaper to turn poor countries into rubbish bins than to recycle the mountains resulting from garbage — they will even agree to such "investments". I bet that China in the vast majority of cases will act in this regard in the same way as the "developed" countries.
            Fortunately, the capitalist system helps poor countries become even poorer - even in the form of programs to "increase efficiency and eradicate poverty" - read about the results of the IMF's actions before and after their lending, for example, Argentina, Greece, Spain, Bulgaria and dozens of others, which are not heard .
            Lending conditions impose maximum privatization of natural monopolies and large enterprises, the opening of domestic markets for foreign direct investment, the abolition of import duties, the depreciation of national currencies, the abolition of state supervision of the media, in cases with producing countries, production sharing agreements that derive most of the income from the tax base . Results: the collapse of domestic markets with imported goods and the pursuit of national production, the establishment of full control over all spheres of life through the direct purchase of natural monopolies, the media, strategic enterprises and the imposition of any disadvantageous agreements on this base, the impoverishment of the majority of the population and the growth of the income gap between the elite controlled and the rest of society. But this is not a bit about that.
            Speaking specifically about China, it is also not a model for us: they ditched half of their arable land, the United States will soon surpass the consumption of hydrocarbons, we do not have their human resources and traditions of eastern discipline.
            And in general: I consider the endless growth of production and consumption to be useless burning of the planet’s resources and dangerous corruption of people, a crime against future generations who will have to rake the results of such enchantingly “successful” economic growth.
            I believe that the future is not in private property, but in the possibility of sharing the necessary amount of property, which can be flexibly changed to meet the needs of society, maximum unification and standardization, and, as a result, compatibility, reliability and maintainability of goods and localization and reduction of production scale to exclude costly from the point of view resource consumption of transport chains, where possible, the benefit of modern technology of 3D printing and robotics allow this to be done.
      2. aybolyt678 28 June 2020 20: 03 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Kosygin-Liberman reforms were supposed to be carried out on the basis of academician Glushkov.

        just the opposite. Glushkov proposed an expensive option for managing the economy through an analogue of a computer network (at a cost like to the moon), and Lieberman introduced elements of capitalism through slogans - what does self-sufficiency and cost-accounting mean? this means in conditions when all individuals at fixed prices have the opportunity to sell at market prices! and this is the prerequisites for shortages and landmines for a planned economy!
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 20: 24 New
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          The planned economy fulfilled its function during industrialization, war and post-war reconstruction. In the 60s it was necessary to move to the market. Then the country would have a chance to take the place of present China, and quickly enough. Alas, the ideological brake did not allow us to do this, and every year we began to lag more and more behind developed countries.
          1. aybolyt678 28 June 2020 21: 02 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Alas, the ideological brake did not allow us to do this.

            tsarist Russia was ruined by the lack of jurisdiction of the tsar’s surname .. The Communist Party is the jurisdiction of members of the Central Committee ... Putin is there with his advice. Ideology was normal, there was no development of it, Dogma was made of ideology. If then, and now, we would have tied the ruble to a kilowatt, it’s tough, the picture would have changed dramatically, a new standard will appear in the world smile
          2. vVvAD 29 June 2020 13: 14 New
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            Not ideology has become a brake. Ideology can work wonders - take a look at the heyday of the USSR and the 3rd Reich. The brakes were squabbles, ossification and betrayal in the political leadership, which created a situation where “the tops can’t and the lower classes don’t want”: growing social injustice, eliminating the possibility of condemning important social issues at all levels, starting from internal party discussions and ending with collective farms and tips people's deputies, the suppression of dissent, the destruction of social elevators for the talented and the formation of a power clique open only to "their own" and crooks "without a homeland", the prohibitions of the whole western in violation of this principle by everyone who had such an opportunity.
            Seeing all this, the people simply stopped believing in ideology and wanted equal rights to use the benefits of Western civilization due to the lack of worthy analogues in their homeland and even the desire of the authorities to work in this direction.
            But modern developed economies are quite planned for themselves, only with adaptation to the endlessly growing private production under the capitalist system and complemented by periodic man-made crises to avoid crises of overproduction and other delights of "successful" growth.
      3. andrew42 29 June 2020 14: 05 New
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        The economy is not digital, since the only test result is the welfare of the average citizen - an individual, as well as the population. Only the ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM can be digital. This classic substitution of concepts is already quite witty. Adherents of the "digital economy" should be put in a "self-isolation" for a week, and fed exclusively with bitcoins. In this case, there is hope for a reset of the brains of the “digitalisers,” but not all: greed, like a root sin, is generally poorly treated.
  • SRC P-15 27 June 2020 15: 26 New
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    When they stood in the queue for five years for Lada, or when they bought Finnish furniture for a meal, they drove to Moscow for camping trips for sausages .... But yes, housing and communal services cost a penny, they taught what they needed at school, they treated for free, etc. etc.

    You forgot the free apartments, free land, pensions equal to the average earnings, free education in higher institutions and much more that is now inaccessible!
    1. Professor 27 June 2020 15: 34 New
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      free land

      More?
      1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 15: 37 New
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        Land for summer cottages were allocated free of charge. In rural areas, a piece of land was also given free of charge for the construction of a house and for a garden. But to put it simply: the land at that time was not sold or bought - it was state property.
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          Land for summer cottages were allocated free of charge. In rural areas, a piece of land was also given free of charge for the construction of a house and for a garden. But to put it simply: the land at that time was not sold or bought - it was state property.

          That's it. She was not for sale or bought. It was state property and was not given to anyone for free. Only after the demise of the scoop was it possible to privatize the "free" land by paying money for it. Fee for free. Nonsense for the whole world, but not for the USSR. fellow
          1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 15: 56 New
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            Quote: Professor
            That's it. She was not for sale or bought. It was state property and was not given to anyone for free.

            That's it for free! And the fact that it was state property suited me more than if it had been bought! The state guarantee for the common man was enough not to worry about his land.
            Quote: Professor
            Only after the demise of the scoop was it possible to privatize the "free" land by paying money for it. Fee for free. Nonsense for the whole world, but not for the USSR.

            And here you are Professor dissemble: when privatizing a land plot, money was paid not for land, but for paperwork for it. He privatized his plot and it cost me 14 thousand rubles along with the cadastral plan.
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              That's it for free! And the fact that it was state property suited me more than if it had been bought! The state guarantee for the common man was enough not to worry about his land.

              State does not mean yours. You cannot dispose of it. Can not leave to your children. So, we will not talk about the "free". Whether it suits you or not is your business.

              Quote: SRC P-15
              And here you are Professor dissemble: when privatizing a land plot, money was paid not for land, but for paperwork for it. He privatized his plot and it cost me 14 thousand rubles along with the cadastral plan.

              Why pay for free?

              Now about the "free" apartments. The company had to work out for more than a decade in order to get an apartment that wasn’t yours. There were organizations where people have been waiting for this apartment for more than 15 years. Then again I had to pay for the privatization of this “free” apartment.

              On a “pension equal to average earnings” it was possible to live approximately as it is now. Women's boots cost as the salary of an engineer, and color TV as 5 salaries. The right to buy a refrigerator and a washing machine was waiting in line at the place of work since they were not in the store. Let's talk about a personal car?

              The bourgeoisie have free tuition at higher institutions now. They even pay a scholarship and don’t send to hell with “in the direction of” working out a “free” diploma. If it’s free then why work it out? request
              1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 16: 19 New
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                State does not mean yours. You cannot dispose of it. Can not leave to your children.

                What is it like? If I sell a house, then with it the new owner transfers the land for free! The same is with children: if I leave my children a house, then the land will be transferred to them for free!
                I won’t write about the rest to you - I talked about this to another user.
                1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 17: 28 New
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                  But the apartment could neither bequeath nor donate. It was also impossible to buy. Wait until they condescend to you and allocate housing
                2. rocket757 27 June 2020 19: 23 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  But the apartment could neither bequeath nor donate. It was also impossible to buy. Wait until they condescend to you and allocate housing

                  Shaw you say, surprised!
                  They sold, passed, presented ... found ways, everything and always.
                3. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 10: 25 New
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                  Not quite legal were these methods. Yes, they dodged on the navel to push the state.
                4. rocket757 28 June 2020 10: 30 New
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                  There was crime .... but among relatives, it was possible to issue without breaking anything.
                  The topic is interesting, peculiar, but the citizens of the country received housing, all for free, this is a fact.
                5. kotvov 28 June 2020 11: 16 New
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                  Yes, they dodged at the navel to push the state. ,,
                  Have you heard of such a concept as a cooperative apartment? And they bought and sold, like private homes.
            2. nikvic46 27 June 2020 19: 53 New
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              Andrei. There was no need to wait. Just corresponded an order to whom the owner trusts.
            3. martin-159 28 June 2020 06: 18 New
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              Have you heard of building cooperatives?
            4. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 10: 40 New
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              And how many years did you have to stand in line to get a cooperative in St. Petersburg? About 10-15 years.
            5. Oleg2003 28 June 2020 12: 22 New
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              But there is a nuance: today, with a salary of, say, 120kr, how many years should I work to buy such an apartment?
        2. Aviator_ 28 June 2020 20: 00 New
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          And what, and there were no cooperatives, everyone was waiting for free public housing? Did you live in the USSR?
      2. Professor 27 June 2020 18: 25 New
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        Quote: SRC P-15
        How's that?

        This is true. Either mine, private or public.

        Quote: SRC P-15
        If I sell a house, then with it the new owner transfers the land for free!

        IN THE USSR? Yah? Earth does not pass to anyone. She is a state.
      3. Alf
        Alf 27 June 2020 19: 39 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Earth does not pass to anyone. She is a state.

        Formally, yes, actually no. Have you ever heard that in the USSR a state was taken away from someone by the state? Only without nonsense.
      4. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 01 New
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        Unless the state wanted to build something there. But you forget the main thing - when and why the Soviet leadership decided to distribute land to citizens.
      5. Alf
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        Quote: Harry Cuper
        Unless the state wanted to build something there.

        I repeat the question again.
        Have you ever heard that in the USSR a state was taken away from someone by the state?
      6. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 09 New
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        I repeat the answer again: IF the state did not need this land for something.
      7. Alf
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        I repeat the answer again: IF the state did not need this land for something.

        Clear. They didn’t listen, because in principle this could not be. But you can’t lie.
      8. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 20 New
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        Dear, do you have cognitive dissonance?
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        Alf 27 June 2020 20: 22 New
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        Dear, do you have cognitive dissonance?

        No, there’s nothing to tell you.
      10. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 28 New
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        You have already pretty tired me. However, I will explain to you again. Specifically, the cottage could be taken in two cases: either by a court verdict with confiscation, or if the state needed this land for some reason. Now I propose to think - and why did the state begin to distribute land for use by citizens? In the 50s this was not in the 60s, and suddenly appeared in the 70s. Now think a little more - if the state allocated this land to a citizen for some purpose, why would he take it away? In the USSR, fools were not allowed to power
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        Quote: Harry Cuper
        if the state needed this land for some reason.

        This is every time you jump off an uncomfortable topic.
        Give at least one such fact.
      12. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 42 New
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        Today is not the best day for you. Maybe with me too. At least you either don’t understand me or don’t want to understand me. I see no reason to continue
      13. Siberian54 1 July 2020 08: 48 New
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        My relatives fell under the "demolition" - flooding the reservoir of a large state district power station - got an apartment and a summer cottage, and their neighbors took the money and bought a house in a neighboring village (30 hundred square meters) I was 21 years old and I really came under a burro so I’m lying as an eyewitness .
  • Florian geyer 28 June 2020 16: 09 New
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    So it’s the same now - for the construction of something important (for example, motorways) they can take away land and other property even from property. True, some kind of compensation seems to be paid.
    And not only here, but all over the world. And it was the same in the USSR, this is normal.
  • Far B 27 June 2020 22: 01 New
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    It happened. For example, during the construction of the same hydroelectric power stations, entire villages were flooded. But the state very generously compensated for the loss of citizens, providing them with more than it was. And I would not call such a practice vicious
  • Alf
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    Quote: Far In
    But the state very generously compensated for the loss of citizens, providing them with more than it was.

    And now it “compensates”. It is enough to recall the story of South Butovo, when an amount less than a one-room apartment was given for a plot of land within the city limits subject to demolition for development. And dissenters were evicted by bulldozers and bailiffs in a form very similar to the SS-ovsky.
  • Far B 27 June 2020 22: 25 New
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    During the construction of "Greater Sochi" this was often practiced, I remember.
  • aleksejkabanets 28 June 2020 07: 31 New
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    I repeat the answer again: IF the state did not need this land for something.

    If today the state needs your land, it will take it for a penny, an example of the Sochi Olympics.
  • Far B 27 June 2020 21: 55 New
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    You can buy land 100 times in your Israel, but when you need it, your native Israel will do with “your” land everything that Israel needs. Because "your" land is part of the territory of the state of Israel. Private owner, damn it)))
    Selling land is just another relatively honest way of taking money out of the population.
  • rocket757 27 June 2020 16: 33 New
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    The bourgeoisie have free tuition at higher institutions now. They even pay a scholarship and don’t send to hell on "in the direction" to work out a "free" diploma

    Professor, and you can compare free education FOR EVERYONE AND ANYWHERE and "free" for those who are very lucky, who have chosen and who will really have to work for it .... and yes, "free" in any third-grade school. an institution with a diploma to expect positions above the third assistant, the third deputy, the manager of a third-rate company ....
    Something like this, in another way no one has yet managed to brag about their successes.
    1. Professor 27 June 2020 18: 27 New
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      Professor, and you can compare free education FOR EVERYONE AND ANYWHERE and "free" for those who are very lucky, who have chosen and who will really have to work for it .... and yes, "free" in any third-grade school. an institution with a diploma to expect positions above the third assistant, the third deputy, the manager of a third-rate company ....

      Let's compare Germany. Accessibility and quality of higher education in Germany and the USSR.
    2. rocket757 27 June 2020 19: 51 New
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      If we compare, then with the "lamp of everyone and everything", everything is clear there .... I can ask about the Geyropeyskie, I was not interested in everyone. About Germany, you must also look, ask friends.
      But still, I specifically indicated the condition that was observed in the USSR. EVERYTHING COULD LEARN ANYWHERE, FOR FREE. In the "advanced" capitalist countries, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING!
      A lot more can be found, what they did not have. but in the USSR it was. Indeed it is.
      And try to find what they had, and there was not even a hint, in principle, in the USSR. Try soldier
    3. Professor 27 June 2020 20: 56 New
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      But still, I specifically indicated the condition that was observed in the USSR. EVERYTHING COULD LEARN ANYWHERE, FOR FREE. In the "advanced" capitalist countries, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING!

      Not all and not everywhere. For some people with disabilities, the fifth column was ordered to some universities. But why should we destroy such an idyll with sad facts ...

      But you should ask about Germany before writing "THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING in the" advanced "capitalist countries!" Then we will discuss the Scandinavian countries.
      Quote: rocket757
      A lot more can be found, what they did not have. but in the USSR it was. Indeed it is.
      And try to find what they had, and there was not even a hint, in principle, in the USSR. Try

      Easy. In the scoop, there was no choice at all. Starting from the shoes in the department store and ending with the selection of their leaders. There was nothing to choose. There was no local government. There was no free press and criticism of the authorities. There were no honest non-politicized courts. There were no individual rights. There were a lot of things, and that is why when the border was opened, millions rushed from a country in which, in your opinion, everything was to countries where this was not all.
    4. Far B 27 June 2020 22: 12 New
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      Full game. You definitely lived in that very Union? In the mid-80s, the election of the director of the mining and processing enterprise began in my native village. One of the applicants just in case picked up a heart attack. Although, as for me, the election of the head of a very large enterprise is complete rubbish, such as the election of command personnel in the army with the light hand of the Kerensky ladder. For the rest of the positions of your post, there is also something to say, but I will not - for a long time. Along the way, the cursed scoop hurt you hard at the moment of crossing the border. Not allowed to take out the icon?
    5. rocket757 28 June 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: Far In
      Along the way, the cursed scoop hurt you hard at the moment of crossing the border.

      He noticed that many, many, past / present OBdy are replaced by knowledge and objectivity.
      This is either forever, or when they call, they call, we can then want to repent ... okay, this is the lyrics, in fact they write complete nonsense, which still needs to be invented !!! Well, the fantasy works in the wrong direction.
  • Russian jacket 28 June 2020 04: 24 New
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    Some invalids of the 5th count took the surname Ivanov. I understand that it’s not a sin to deceive goyim. Like Muslims, an oath given to a non-believer does not cost anything. We are for you scoop. And it can be said praise. If the past of the country offends, judging by the name of the patronymic, a former compatriot, or his descendant, then the insult is deep. And to insult the past of any people on the same level as vandalism with monuments. I do not justify my compatriots in the 90s. But when I see the inscription Ukraine on the monument to the great Carlo Goldoni in Venice, I understand that it was already written by those who did not know the scoop. And, oddly enough, they call themselves free from it.
  • rocket757 28 June 2020 09: 59 New
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    In different ways, in different ways.
    We lived in the same entrance, the whole family, BIG, with a clear name like that! And sho, they studied at the same school with the children, all the rules, there were amateurs to tease, they raked and sho deserved ...
    And the older generation, they were all educated people, with posts in the city ... in high posts. Yes, we do not have the capital, but not the outback, that's for sure. The city named after the Leader of the peoples, this is serious.
  • rocket757 28 June 2020 09: 41 New
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    We consider the FACTS, not your fantasies and grievances.
    About Germany and the northern geyropa, it’s interesting, very peculiar ... it’s bad that there’s no one to ask. I’ll find it, I’ll figure it out, I will answer according to the FACTS.
  • Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 04 New
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    Higher education in the USSR was still not entirely free. At least the distribution and very low salaries of engineers, teachers, doctors. Another thing - it was ACCESSIBLE.
  • rocket757 27 June 2020 20: 16 New
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    Education, any, was free and affordable.
    For those who showed serious success in training, the path up was clear and distinct.
    Middle-aged workers, guaranteed employment ... there is someone as lucky, at the initial stage. Some went up, and some ... differently.
    Dunce .... well, this always and everywhere is the same.
  • Tatyana Pershina 28 June 2020 07: 43 New
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    And what bad do you see in the distribution? In fact, it was an internship, after which a young specialist could be in demand as a specialist with experience. At present, practically, any employer writes a condition - "at least 3 years of work experience", but where can I get a graduate from it? Now they are thinking about returning the distribution, but with the consent of the graduate.
  • Aviator_ 28 June 2020 20: 07 New
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    It has already returned. These are the so-called target men - students who study on budget financing with the condition that they work for 3 years in a very specific organization.
  • Svarog 27 June 2020 17: 43 New
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    State does not mean yours. You cannot dispose of it. Can not leave to your children.

    Which means not mine. Cottages, private houses, apartments, garages, all this was easily inherited. And now, if you took a mortgage and, say, paid 18 years, and then there was no money to pay due to loss of work .. then all your real estate will go safely to the bank .. feel the difference ..
  • Alf
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    Then again I had to pay for the privatization of this “free” apartment.

    Did you have to pay under the communists? Or under "free and democratic power"?
    Quote: Professor
    The company had to work out for more than a decade in order to get an apartment that wasn’t yours.

    The apartment was given at the enterprise, the family registered, the mother died, the apartment automatically passed to the children prescribed in it. What is the problem ?
    Quote: Professor
    The bourgeoisie have free tuition at higher institutions now.
    For all or only by quota?
    Quote: Professor
    and they don’t send to hell on “in the direction of” small hands to work out a “free” diploma.

    The state has invested money in you, kindly work it out. It’s a normal situation.
  • Russian jacket 28 June 2020 04: 06 New
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    Professor, you are a little wrong. About cottages exactly as you wrote. But there were other sites that were allocated in towns and villages for the construction of housing and farming. They were allocated by the decision of the councils of people's deputies, with inclusion in the cadastral plan. A plot was allocated, a house was built on it, a registration was made out, which was not in the horticultural partnerships. A plot of land was drawn up for perpetual use. These are the sites with the fact that they were built and sold, and presented. With the execution of relevant documents in the then BTI. So it was written in the decision of the Council of People’s Deputies on the allocation to my grandmother of a plot for the construction and management of the subsidiary farm. Yes, the land may have been state-owned, but this did not prevent the land from being disposed of at its discretion. Now this paper does not exist, as this year I issued normal documents for private property.
    PS I don’t understand one thing. You are not a stupid person, but whence aggression always comes out from you openly. It seems that you intentionally behave like that. And therefore, your normal posts become something even offensive to the interlocutors. Although ... This is the normal behavior of the Israelis in various forums. Stop disagreeing with the interlocutor, or catch on a topic where it is difficult to show your superiority, so you get a charge of aggression mixed with the same superiority ... Reminds Ukrainians. The same topic. It's a pity. I liked your articles. It is regrettable that you no longer write. By the way, your promise not to write was framed in the same form of resentment ...
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      Yes, the land may have been state-owned, but this did not prevent the land from being disposed of at its discretion.
      Yeah. Do you know how much I heard from such managers when they took their non-privatized land? According to the general plan, there is soon a city or a road, and they are all waiting for something. And whine.
      We still had a trend (now less), drives a Lexus, but lives in an emergency stable ...
  • ultra 27 June 2020 16: 15 New
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    Fee for free. Nonsense for the whole world, but not for the USSR

    And what does the USSR have to do with it? recourse
  • Alf
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    Quote: Professor
    It was state property and was not given to anyone for free.

    It was just given for free.
    Quote: Professor
    Only after the demise of the scoop was it possible to privatize the "free" land by paying money for it.

    And who got better from this?
  • Mountain shooter 28 June 2020 09: 21 New
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    state property and no one was given free of charge. Only after the demise of the scoop was it possible to privatize the "free" land by paying money for it

    Privatization for money of apartments and land? Professor, no one paid any sane money. Some crumbs for registration ... collective farmers also cut allotments, from collective farm land. Who was lucky with the head, wisely disposed of this. They built houses, farms muddied up ... Many owners turned up in the country at once. Not everyone was ready for this. Who changed vouchers for a bottle.
  • businessv 27 June 2020 16: 04 New
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    Land for summer cottages were allocated free of charge.

    Sure! They were simply given, therefore they were called the COTTAGE! smile
    1. rocket757 27 June 2020 16: 40 New
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      And inherited land, cottages, apartments passed without problems .... not property, but still endless.
  • raw174 27 June 2020 17: 42 New
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    Quote: SRC P-15
    In rural areas, a plot of land was also given free of charge for the construction of a house and a garden

    Now, in our village, to get the land for construction, you will have to spend about 10 thousand rubles.
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      Watching where? In the non-chernozem region one sum will turn out, but in the Krasnodar Territory or in the Crimea it’s completely different))).
  • sleeve 27 June 2020 16: 12 New
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    Yes, please read more. 6 acres? Or a garden in the village? And the apartments ... Well, those Soviet, where the kitchen is like toilets now in size. If today a person is given the same “conditions of receipt” and options, then I’m afraid they will not be particularly happy.
    1. businessv 27 June 2020 16: 27 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      If today a person is given the same “conditions of receipt” and options, then I’m afraid they will not be particularly happy.

      And you ask those who have neither apartments, nor the opportunity to buy them! I suppose you will be very surprised at the answers! No need to compare the living conditions and development of today's norms with those of 30 years ago! The same thing applies to "6 acres."
    2. Mordvin 3 27 June 2020 17: 40 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      Well, those Soviet, where the kitchen is like toilets now in size.

      It is possible to compare with a modern apartment the size of 11 squares.
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        At the request of the working people, they were made so small!
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      Alf 27 June 2020 19: 44 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      If today a person is given the same “conditions of receipt” and options, then I’m afraid they will not be particularly happy.

      They will be very happy. Especially if you offer a Khrushchev-based choice for free now or the elite, but for 20 years in the loop.
      1. sleeve 28 June 2020 10: 58 New
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        Is free? You forgot that it was necessary to work and for a long time ...
    4. Simargl 29 June 2020 10: 54 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      If today a person is given the same “conditions of receipt” and options, then I’m afraid they will not be particularly happy.
      "Studios" 26-28 m² scatter like hot cakes. Not everyone has money for 100 m²
  • ZAV69 27 June 2020 17: 54 New
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    Yes Easy! Those who wish were allocated land for individual housing construction. In 1977, my father took a plot and built. Now the land is owned. No one bought anything, as you wrote below. Just in the land committee (as it was then called) in 1994 issued a certificate. In 1991, I myself took the plot "for the maintenance of a personal subsidiary farm". I own it now.
    More examples are needed?
  • Aleksey Aleksandrovich 27 June 2020 15: 37 New
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    You forgot the free apartments, free land, pensions equal to the average earnings, free education in higher institutions and much more that is now inaccessible!


    I have not forgotten anything, but I understand that then the social formation was somewhat different - socialist. Public goods were distributed less evenly.
    And I also understand that now we have 30 years as capitalism. Moreover, capitalism is not well-established, in many ways wild. Capitalism and socialism are slightly different. And by and large, no one owes anything to anyone.
    1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 15: 39 New
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      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      Capitalism and socialism are slightly different. And by and large, no one owes anything to anyone

      That's right: socialism is for a man, and capitalism is for a capitalist!
    2. Klingon 27 June 2020 16: 35 New
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      we have "frenzied capitalism" as the hero of one of my favorite film in 1987 said
      1. Motorist 27 June 2020 21: 34 New
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        "frantic capitalism"

        The violinist said "rabid racism." 1986 year.
    3. Alf
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      Moreover, capitalism is not well-established, in many ways wild.

      And where did you see capitalism with a human face? If it was, it was only because of the existence of a socialist system on the planet in one country. And the capitalists were FORCED to raise the standard of living of wage workers, and as soon as the USSR disappeared, the world very sharply began to divide into very rich and very poor, and the layer of wage workers with a high level of income, which is mistakenly called the "middle class," began to crush .
  • Ryazan87 27 June 2020 16: 03 New
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    1. The apartment, of course, could not be free. In order to receive it “for free”, it was necessary to work out at a particular enterprise for 15-20 years. Which, in fact, I observed by the example of my relatives. Moreover, the apartment was given such a "what is" and "where is" and then it was considered great happiness.
    I hope you won’t talk about free cooperative apartments.
    2. Land allotted for use - 6, it seems, is "hundred". And try something else to build on them. It was a difficult event, even without taking into account the shortage of building materials.
    3.
    pensions equal to average earnings
    - This, excuse me, is simply not true if it is not a question of a variety of personal pensions + military and so on. There were no pensions in the USSR for, for example, collective farmers of 100-120 rubles. It was 45-50 rubles. But the military is still getting a relatively good pension.
    4.
    free education in higher education and much more that is now inaccessible!
    - I am not aware that budget places in universities have been canceled in the Russian Federation? When did it happen? I've finished the budget department myself and haven’t paid a ruble for my studies. True, this was more than 10 years ago, maybe something has changed dramatically?
    1. SRC P-15 27 June 2020 16: 11 New
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      Quote: Ryazanets87
      1. The apartment, of course, could not be free. In order to get it "for free", it was necessary to work out at a particular enterprise for 15-20 years

      Well, this is someone as lucky!
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      2. Land allotted for use - 6, it seems, is "hundred". And try something else to build on them. It was a difficult event, even without taking into account the shortage of building materials.

      6 acres were given for giving. And about 40 acres were allocated for the construction of a house in the countryside (I don’t remember the exact figure).
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      There were no pensions in the USSR for, for example, collective farmers of 100-120 rubles. It was 45-50 rubles. But the military is still getting a relatively good pension.

      Were! For the last two years, people specially before retirement went to higher paid jobs and received pensions of more than 100 rubles.
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      - I am not aware that budget places in universities have been canceled in the Russian Federation?

      There are budget places in universities, but how many are there? And how to get to them, not for me to tell you! And in the USSR, all places were budgetary - i.e. free!
      1. Sergej1972 27 June 2020 16: 35 New
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        Now there are more budget places in universities of the Russian Federation than the set in recent years of the RSFSR. Relatively speaking: in Soviet times, 5 thousand people studied at the university, all for free. Now in the same university 10-12 thousand students, of which at least 7-8 thousand state employees.
      2. Sergej1972 27 June 2020 16: 40 New
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        No 40 acres were allocated for the construction of the house. Collective farmers owned plots of land, on average 50 acres, but there were regional differences. For example, in irrigated farming areas they were less, but there, however, the yield was higher. The personal plot of a state farm worker was less than 25 acres. Teachers, postal workers, etc., who were not collective farmers or state farm workers, could also have a household plot of 25 acres. If you wanted to build a house in the village, but worked, say, at an enterprise in the city, then they could not give you any personal plot, except for a few hundred square meters next to the house.
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          There were household plots for collective farmers, an average of 50 acres

          Moreover, every year in a new place, in accordance with the general crop rotation

          But this land by default could not belong to the collective farmer. For it belonged to the state.
          1. Sergej1972 30 June 2020 14: 59 New
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            My decades in one place.
      3. Sergey Valov 27 June 2020 16: 48 New
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        “In the USSR, all places were budgetary - that is, free! ” - Now remember about the competition for admission to the university under the USSR and about the almost comprehensive “higher” education now. So the number of free seats has remained approximately the same. And the third - and with what fright the state should provide every citizen with free higher education? As for getting to a budget place in a university, first you have to study at school you need to do well, as in all times.
      4. Ryazan87 27 June 2020 17: 19 New
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        Well, this is someone as lucky!

        well i.e. such a lottery. Maybe fast, maybe not. And what they give, they will give. And yes, we are not talking about any property. Here comes the desire to improve housing conditions - try to do it.
        Here's the thing. There is no "free" housing, even under socialism. Recipients paid taxes, contributions, their many years of work and lack of ownership.
        Were! For the last two years, people specially before retirement went to higher paid jobs and received pensions of more than 100 rubles.

        I specifically made a reservation that I did not take into account personal pensions and individual cases. It is clear that it could be different. However, to argue that the basic pension was equal to the average earnings is incorrect.
        There are budget places in universities, but how many are there?

        Well, here's an example - Moscow State University for 2020:
        3648 budget places.
        2578 paid places.
        Total in Russia in 2020 - 509,2 thousand budget places in universities.
        And how to get to them, not for me to tell you!

        Well, I personally passed the exams and entered. This is the main way to get to a budget place.
      5. raw174 27 June 2020 17: 48 New
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        And about 40 acres were allocated for the construction of a house in the countryside (I don’t remember the exact figure).

        40 acres? I’ve been living in the village all my life and haven’t seen such huge sites! 10 on average, specifically I have a little more than 8, my house was built in 1986, a typical two-story two-room apartment.
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          40 acres? I’ve been living in the village all my life and haven’t seen such huge sites!

          At the time of my childhood and youth, my parents planted only one potato of 30 acres, this is not counting the land under the house and beds with onions carrots and fruit trees. And they planted so many potatoes because they kept cattle - a cow, a calf, sheep, piglets and little things: hens, rabbits. And there were such sites throughout our village. Ten acres in the village is nonsense! Maybe this is now allocating so much land, but we are talking about the 80s. And I still remember Khrushchev.
          P.S. And our house stood (and still stands) in the former Kalinin, now Tver region.
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            Ten acres in the village is nonsense! Maybe this is now allocating so much land, but we are talking about the 80s.

            I specifically pointed out that my house was built in 1986, the land was separated at the same time and the borders did not change. And potatoes, until about the mid-90s, we planted behind the village, in the field. Now so much potato is not needed, I plant less than a bucket, enough.
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            for sure. Kemerovo region. v. Stary Uryup. the wife’s parents had a plot of 48 acres. whereby such sections (identical) were across the street. the opposite side was a little smaller. but the perpendicular was even larger, and limited only to the ability to develop land in general. some have "cut" themselves yet.
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          40 acres? I’ve been living in the village all my life and haven’t seen such huge sites! 10 on average, specifically I have a little more than 8, my house was built in 1986, a typical two-story two-room apartment.

          You are cunning, where you live is called an apartment, in a low-rise building, usually the land did not rely on the apartment, only the collective farm leased it under the garden.
          1. raw174 28 June 2020 10: 46 New
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            where you live is called an apartment in a low-rise building,

            This is the main type of development in our country ... The Chelyabinsk region, the south, virgin lands were raised and built by two-quarters. There are individual houses, but the land is also not very much, the same 10-12 acres ...
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              This is the main type of development in our country ... The Chelyabinsk region, the south, virgin lands were raised and built by two-quarters. There are individual houses, but the land is also not very much, the same 10-12 acres ...

              We have in the Kuban, from 10 to 40 acres under the house, in different ways. Under the apartment was communal land, sheds, benches, swings, etc. , and the garden was given elsewhere.
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                Under the apartment was communal land, sheds, benches, swings, etc. , and the garden was given elsewhere.

                You do not understand, I don’t have an MCD, I have a house for two owners, that is, my own fenced yard, sheds, a bathhouse, a garden, a plot in general. My house is two-story, but both floors are my apartment, the neighbors behind the wall, the apartment is mirrored by layout.
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            This is the main type of development in our country ... The Chelyabinsk region, the south, virgin lands were raised and built by two-quarters. There are individual houses, but the land is also not very much, the same 10-12 acres ...

            All right say. Typical village development of the 80s. to build a street in the center of the village, part of the vegetable gardens was cut. And between two parallel streets, another appeared!
            And semi-detached houses with a small plot for a garden and household.
            We need a large plot - take it and build a house for yourself, and build a farm!
        3. Sergej1972 30 June 2020 15: 03 New
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          According to the Charter, collective farmers have up to 50 acres, and workers and employees of state farms up to 25 acres. For those living in the village, but not belonging to collective farms and state farms, the situation could be different.
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        There are budget places in universities, but how many are there? And how to get to them, not for me to tell you!
        And in the USSR in the university directly enlisted all under a row? Or was there a competition, sometimes 25 people in place? Now at least you can try to pay money, work (or pull from your parents) and study if you haven’t passed the competition. And, if there are brains - pass the exams normally and go to the budget (like me, on the side tongue ) Or do you think that they will add a year of a break in knowledge?
  • businessv 27 June 2020 16: 09 New
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    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    When Zhiguli were in line for five years, or when they bought Finnish furniture by pull, and drove to Moscow on a trip for sausage ....
    That’s how it was possible, at the request of the authorities, to fix it very quickly! To ruin a powerful country due to sausage and Lada, agreeing to depend on the American ruble! Top rationality.
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      [/ quote] Ruin a powerful country due to sausage and Lada, agreeing to depend on the American ruble! Top rationality. [/ Quote]
      You understand that they ruined the country not for the sake of sausage and Lada, but in order to seize the public good, so that you can steal, speculate and at the same time write laws for yourself. For the sake of all this, they went to the collapse of the country.
      1. businessv 27 June 2020 21: 36 New
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        You understand that they ruined the country not for the sausage and Lada, but in order to seize the public good

        Yes, they did not ruin! We could not prevent this because we naively thought that it would be better! China, studying our mistakes and not allowing them, adapted the economy to modern realities and became a truly great country.
        1. Essex62 28 June 2020 22: 04 New
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          China has the same problems as our people. Terry capitalism there, and even with the most severe state control. People plow for a pittance, not seeing white light. What socialism, what is the leading role of the communists, if the country is free to profit from the burial-bourgeois? Socialism and private ownership of the means of production and exploitation of man are not compatible concepts.
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            Socialism and private ownership of the means of production and exploitation of man are not compatible concepts
            Not the same problems as ours. Briefly here http://russian.people.com.cn/6544401.html There you will not envy bribe takers and embezzlers, but with us it is in the order of things. The main strategic industries are state-owned and not private.
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              This is absolutely certain. But the fact that they can lean against a wall for not paying taxes or leaning against the wall does not cancel its essence. And I know about the hopeless plowing of the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom by hearsay. There is no socialism in China, classical ours, I mean. Their own way.
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                And I know about the hopeless plowing of the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom by hearsay.
                Yes, they work somehow frantically, or what! He looked and was surprised - no emotions, no distractions and conversations. I thought it could only be on a business trip like that, but then they told me that it’s always. We put the line, managed faster than we expected, two times. smile
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              There you will not envy bribe takers and embezzlers, but with us it is in the order of things.
              Both that, and another - there prospers. True, there are longer terms, and they shoot for real. But if there are those who are being shot, then there are those who have not passed the “selection” of a loyal bribe taker / embezzler.
  • Gardamir 27 June 2020 16: 22 New
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    for Lada in line five years stood
    The queue was replaced by a loan. Now do you have sausage or chemically processed horns and hooves?
    1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich 27 June 2020 17: 25 New
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      Yes, the queue was replaced with a loan. But to take a loan or not to take a purely voluntary business.
      But thanks to the loan, a person can become the owner of a new or used car within two hours.
      1. Karabin 27 June 2020 19: 55 New
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        Yes, the queue was replaced with a loan. But to take a loan or not to take a purely voluntary business.

        And did the KGB force to stand in line?
    2. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 17: 51 New
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      Really from dozens of varieties of sausages you can not choose sausage from meat. Yes, it is more expensive, but it is. And in my area there was no sausage from the word "in general", even made of horns. The nearest sausage was 300 km away - in Leningrad. Remember what "long, green, smells like sausage"? This train, on which the inhabitants of the periphery, chased to Moscow or Leningrad for food.
      Yes, and a loan is preferable. I enter the apartment here and now and do not wait for years when I deign to allocate living space, hustling in a dorm or communal apartment. Life, it is now, not later.
    3. Simargl 29 June 2020 11: 07 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      The queue was replaced by a loan.
      You can withdraw and not pay a loan.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Now do you have sausage or chemically processed horns and hooves?
      You do not buy meat products at the price of waste paper, but at least what looks like meat. Expensive. Normal sausage in the USSR was also expensive. Meat - only seen on the market, and very expensive.
  • KERMET 27 June 2020 17: 57 New
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    Already got with their small town sausage trains - in the North Caucasus in the RSFSR they did not hear about this
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 20: 22 New
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      All Non-Black Earth so lived, in the USSR, not one North Caucasus. There are also Pskov and Novgorod with Vologda and Karelia.
      1. KERMET 27 June 2020 21: 32 New
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        In your opinion, the entire North Caucasus on another planet in another USSR existed ....
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 21: 50 New
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          And she was in the Union of Moscow with Leningrad. Where in shops cheese in butter skated. Which does not cancel the periphery, where the shops had a ball of Katie. I lived in Novgorod, we did not have meat products on the shelves. Even cyanotic chickens. Cheese and butter too.
          1. KERMET 27 June 2020 22: 14 New
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            What kind of passion, are you not perestroika times in the history of the USSR give out?
            1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 22: 17 New
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              Already in the late 70s, long before perestroika, almost everything disappeared from our stores. Collective farms, state farms, meat-packing plants worked, and the shops were empty. Paradox.
              1. KERMET 27 June 2020 22: 38 New
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                However, you had a cyanotic-hungry childhood .... I sympathize.
                And we naively suffered from childhood envy of Muscovites because we could not try popsicle (because the banal ice cream seemed boring to us) and tried Pepsi-Cola only when we went to the resorts .....
                1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 22: 42 New
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                  Here, the ice cream we had was not simple, but Leningrad. Glasses, sugar tubes, ice cream. And there was Baikal - the stake is resting.
                2. KERMET 28 June 2020 09: 20 New
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                  And then the ice cream was such that today's ice cream rests, but in childhood I wanted exotic wink
                  And “Baikal” is also an infection compared to “Pinocchio” just did not lie in the store ... And I only tried bananas in the Urals for the first time. So the distortions of the planned economy lol
                3. KERMET 28 June 2020 09: 38 New
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                  And about empty shelves, many people remember them, but the refrigerator wasn’t empty. People bought in cooperatives, in the market, etc. Imagine now sausage or chicken in the store will cost as in Soviet times, do you think it will be on the shelves now?
                4. Nastia makarova 29 June 2020 09: 08 New
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                  half empty always a refrigerator, ate one potato, there was a hungry time
                5. KERMET 29 June 2020 12: 41 New
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                  Judging by the profile picture, you have well preserved both appearance and memory
                6. Nastia makarova 29 June 2020 12: 50 New
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                  thanks, but the return of the end of 80 and the beginning of 90 I do not want
                7. KERMET 29 June 2020 12: 55 New
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                  Me too, this period of time is not an indicator of life in the USSR - it is rather its sunset and collapse
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                  and no one talks about the indicator, at 70 my grandmother was the head of the restaurant, and we ate such foods that the neighbors had never seen
        2. Simargl 29 June 2020 11: 11 New
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          Quote: KERMET
          Imagine now sausage or chicken in the store will cost as in Soviet times, do you think it will be on the shelves now?
          I buy pork cheaper than in the USSR (with a coefficient, of course). Lies. And they also buy expensive meat.
          We had a refrigerator for 6 people less than it is now 4. Now it breaks, and then one pan stood and a bag of milk.
          Here many lived in the USSR. And very differently.
        3. KERMET 29 June 2020 12: 51 New
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          It’s interesting what coefficients you used, I have about the same cost (I compared the purchasing power of my parents and mine — I work at the same enterprise), but taking into account other expenses (utilities, transport, clothing), the comparison is not in favor of modernity.
          As for the shelves, any recent events related to panic and unhealthy excitement show that the product from store shelves disappears quickly, all the current abundance is a balance of prices and demand. Plus now it’s not necessary to buy meat - there are a lot of meat products of incomprehensible content on any wallet
  • Ryazan87 27 June 2020 23: 58 New
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    The North Caucasus is almost, but Transcaucasia absolutely certainly existed within the framework of another economic reality, especially Georgia. Moreover, since the 30s.
    You think at your leisure over these numbers, compare 16 cents and 5.5 rubles.

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      Well, about the special attitude to the fraternal republics, except that the lazy one does not know .... and many former residents of these same republics
    2. Simargl 29 June 2020 14: 49 New
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      especially Georgia.
      I was born there. Everything, in almost all stores - in the third belt (if anyone remembers what it is). The market is expensive. Where did it all go?
      1. Ryazan87 29 June 2020 18: 02 New
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        Everything, in almost all stores - in the third belt (if anyone remembers what it is).


        If you meant supply categories, then please.
        On one of their sloppy tea and immature tangerines with flowers, Georgians made their fortunes. There was a completely different policy with respect to agriculture, as well as with respect to the marketing of farmed products. In the conditions of the USSR - Klondike.
        And nothing about the shadow market. I remember how I talked with an elderly Georgian, he remembered with pleasure how they clandestinely made plastic bags with pictures and sold them to "vanki" after a piece of gold! (maybe he squeaked, of course). Again, the great Georgian "wine". It is now especially no one needs this “Minassali”. Resorts Grants from the Union budget. Yes, Georgia was allowed to leave 70% of foreign exchange earnings.
        And the Georgians laughed at the "fool mermaids", which grandmas do not know how to do.
        R.S. I look at the minuses, lovers of "free" apartments rave about))) nothing, it’s useful to return to the real world from the dreams of the Soviet, dusted with three decades of absence of this paradise.
        1. Simargl 29 June 2020 18: 29 New
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          Quote: Ryazanets87
          If you meant supply categories, then please.
          Not. Price belt.


          Quote: Ryazanets87
          On one of their sloppy tea and immature tangerines with flowers, Georgians made their fortunes.
          Tea itself, by the way, is good (in any case, we had it), however, there is a nuance: first people go by and collect light leaves of this year, and then a tea harvesting machine that evens the bush for one thing. Mandarins are not grown all over Georgia, we had few, 3-4 tons were handed over, and neighbors at least 10 tons. I don’t know about flowers.

          Quote: Ryazanets87
          I remember how I talked with an elderly Georgian, he remembered with pleasure how they clandestinely made plastic bags with pictures and sold them to "vanki" after a piece of gold! (maybe he squeaked, of course).
          Most likely, the drawing was applied to the package. At the resort - why not, if there is something “foreign”.

          Quote: Ryazanets87
          powdered by three decades of absence of this paradise.
          Raya? As I understand it, the majority here are military and / or military children. Only after the 90s did their problems begin, and so did they live normally. But I remember the "scoop" is not the best side.
  • Nagaibak 28 June 2020 08: 42 New
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    Alexey Alexandrovich "they also drove to Moscow on a trip to Moscow for sausage ...."
    But now many can not afford to buy.))) Although the sausage in bulk.)))
  • BecmepH 29 June 2020 12: 50 New
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    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    When the Zhiguli were in line for five years,

    Everyone has the same argument ... Still have arguments?
    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    or when they bought Finnish furniture

    Now buy Finnish furniture?
    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    on trips for sausage to Moscow drove.

    And now, in Moscow, do not buy sausage ... Real!
    1. Simargl 29 June 2020 18: 32 New
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      Quote: BecmepH
      Now buy Finnish furniture?
      Finnish is not in fashion right now. Russian is better than “that” Finnish, and Italian is in fashion. tongue
      Quote: BecmepH
      And now, in Moscow, do not buy sausage ... Real!
      So she is nowhere to be found. Although ... quality can be taken, but not in the lower price category.
      1. Ryazan87 30 June 2020 15: 01 New
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        The funny thing is that people refuse to understand that the shortcomings and poor organization of the "household ward" have largely led the population to indifference to the fate of the USSR. The same lines, lack of choice, the need to "get" the simplest things.
        Here's an example: disposable diapers appeared in 1961. At this time, the USSR began to establish the release of toilet paper (on Finnish equipment), which remained in short supply. In Ryazan, estheticians bought some kind of special crappy tissue paper, while the rest managed newspapers. Or feminine hygiene products (something like modern appeared in 1927) - try to persuade the young lady to apply the Soviet version now ...
        Now you can buy any sausage of any quality. The fact that you have to pay more for a natural, high-quality product is quite fair. Buy at the farmers' market - there you can even go to the farm and see how they make it (well, this is an eye-catcher). As for the Soviet GOSTs, it is also not necessary to deceive oneself, as well as to come to the conclusion that they were not violated. Postscripts, violations of technology, and so on are so beautiful - an integral part of the Soviet food industry. But everyone was chasing the Finnish cervelat, which now is something no one will.
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          Quote: Ryazanets87
          people refuse to understand that the shortcomings and poor organization of the "household ward" have largely led the population to indifference to the fate of the USSR.
          In the USSR, everything was for people ... what is it for people? Queues? Awful quality of goods? Empty counters? High-tech developments?

          Quote: Ryazanets87
          Now you can buy any sausage of any quality.
          Well you! It is necessary to take the cheapest and compare with the one that was in the USSR! Today, if two dumplings in a pack are stuck together - you do not take it, but in the USSR they were almost always a piece. Frying dumplings - this is because the piece is not cooked.

          Quote: Ryazanets87
          As for the Soviet GOSTs, it is also not necessary to deceive oneself, as well as to come to the conclusion that they were not violated.
          Always, when they talk about quality in the USSR, I suggest that “Wick” look.

          Quote: Ryazanets87
          But everyone was chasing the Finnish cervelat, which now is something no one will.
          Even funnier: from abroad they brought all the cheapest or used, sometimes hard. But qualitatively this rubbish was higher.
  • Siberian54 1 July 2020 08: 35 New
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    And now five years in slavery at the bank, what's the difference?
  • Alexander Samoilov 1 July 2020 11: 32 New
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    When they stood in line for five years for Zhiguli, or when they bought Finnish furniture by pull, and drove to Moscow for sausage trips
    When the "Lada" cost 5,5 thousand. The average salary was 120 p. So the law-abiding citizen of the USSR needed almost 4 years not to spend a dime to save on them. It is now: "Pay taxes and live in peace." Or, more simply, not a thief is caught. And then there was such an organization as the OBHSS, which did not consider income, but human expenses. Real European furniture is now beyond the means of the average Russian. Only an insane person with a salary of 20-30 thousand can give a quarter of a million for some sofa. Even in my provincial town, before the start of perestroika, 3 types of sausages could always be bought. And she was meat.
  • tihonmarine 27 June 2020 17: 03 New
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    Quote: SRC P-15
    When the price of electricity was the same for decades - 4 kopecks per kWh.

    And if the electric stove was, and not gas, then 2 kopecks. per kWh.
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      2 kopecks per kWh.
      The official exchange rate of the USSR ruble is 128 ₽ per ruble of the USSR (through the exchange rate to $).
      It turns out that officially - this is 2x128 = 256 kopecks (2,56 ₽) per kWh. I look at the calculation ... 2,04 ₽ per kWh.
      According to consumer parity, I think that electricity in the USSR was even more expensive.
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        Quote: Simargl
        According to consumer parity, I think that electricity in the USSR was even more expensive.

        In the USSR there was a pricing policy. Bread was also not worth 14 kopecks.
  • bandabas 27 June 2020 17: 08 New
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    And also when fresh bread has a normal crisp.
  • imobile2008 27 June 2020 18: 35 New
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    if you read that 1000 kilowatts honestly burns up on modern technology, then 40 rubles for that salary is half the salary,
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      hmm .... now energy consumption is much higher than then. much. the availability of household appliances affects.
      1. Simargl 29 June 2020 14: 52 New
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        Quote: Skarpzd
        hmm .... now energy consumption is much higher than then. much. the availability of household appliances affects.
        No.
        TV with kinescope - 300-700W. Now all the equipment, including lighting, will give so much (except for the stove).
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    When the price of electricity was the same for decades - 4 kopecks per kWh.

    In the village they paid two kopecks ...
  • Nick 4 July 2020 07: 45 New
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    When to live well in Russia:

    When the price of electricity was the same for decades - 4 kopecks per kWh.

    Well then, the salary of a young engineer was only 120 rubles.
  • aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 15: 16 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    This, of course, is a conditional analysis,

    Very conditional.
    1. rocket757 27 June 2020 15: 24 New
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      Better than singing praises just for how it was or for how it is.
      After all, you can collect and justify what we have lost or what we have gained.
      These are big scales of our life, especially for those who are from there and now. There is something to compare and something to weigh.
      Equally, everyone will not succeed, but this will be the topic for ... not for conversation, we have already talked about it, but for the purpose, a guide to actions that had to be started for a long time to be done.
      1. TAMBU 27 June 2020 15: 45 New
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        what we got

        We? It is very interesting that "we" acquired after privatization especially ...
        1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 16: 17 New
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          We? It is very interesting that "we" acquired after privatization especially ...

          Well, do not cling to the words, please, we all have acquired something. The question is at what price, and what has been lost, and whether it was worth it.
          1. rocket757 27 June 2020 16: 48 New
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            Each has its own answer to these questions.
            As for me, they have lost so much .... unacceptably.
            1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 16: 51 New
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              As for me, they have lost so much .... unacceptably.

              I also think so.
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              I agree ...)
        2. rocket757 27 June 2020 16: 45 New
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          WE, it’s not specifically you, I, it’s in general.
          This is also a topic for reflection and further actions.
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          We? It is very interesting that "we" acquired after privatization especially ..

          We, these are probably those who grabbed everything, and the rest are "not us."
        4. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 55 New
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          Opportunity to own property. Open your own business.
      2. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 15: 55 New
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        Better than singing praises

        You are absolutely right. Very, I would like to see the review more complete.
        After all, I only found the same in the late USSR, and even if we took away the time of the “genius of pluralism”, then all the same there were enough minuses. But of course there was no such stratification, such a drop in the level of education, I could not even imagine.
        Quote: rocket757
        After all, you can collect and justify what we have lost or what we have gained.
        These are big scales of our life, especially for those who are from there and now. There is something to compare and something to weigh.
        Equally, everyone will not succeed, but this will be the topic for ... not for conversation, we have already talked about it, but for the purpose, a guide to actions that had to be started for a long time to be done.

        I would not mind participating in collective work, if you mean it. Write in a personal discussion.
        1. Sergej1972 27 June 2020 16: 44 New
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          You know, I talked with many graduates of the 70-80s. some provincial universities. I will not say that now the level of graduates of the same universities is lower than that. More precisely, he then, and now with 40% of graduates was extremely low.
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            You know, I talked with many graduates of the 70-80s. some provincial universities. I will not say that now the level of graduates of the same universities is lower than that. More precisely, he then, and now with 40% of graduates was extremely low.

            We are apparently talking a little about different things. I’m not talking about those graduates, for example, the Armavir Ped Institute, who, having learned to be a computer science teacher, cannot configure the taskbar on Windows, there were enough of them in the 80s. I talk more about schoolchildren. If you look into their textbooks, you will learn a lot of interesting things. You will find out that Prince Vladimir, when he was baptized, began to build schools and hospitals (since 988 AD!), And all the Russian people joyfully received the baptism. You will learn that in the lower grades, now they are learning the addition table. There is practically no Nekrasov, Gorky, Ostrovsky, for which Solzhenitsyn appeared. They do not know who Othello is, who are Montecchi and Capulet, they completely stopped reading books. You should have seen how they write statements, it is not surprising that they can not put two words together. How do you like the essay on the subject of “Conscience”, in which there should be no more than 15 sentences. Here I am talking about.
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              Solzhenitsyn appeared for that
          2. rocket757 27 June 2020 18: 09 New
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            Dunce were always and everywhere .... they were determined at once, two there, where they were sent and they flew from there also at one, two.
          3. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 53 New
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            The number of stupid people, at all times and peoples, is a constant value. True, under the Union, such people were sent to hitchhikers, and now all those who are not too lazy are going to universities.
        2. tihonmarine 27 June 2020 17: 21 New
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          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          After all, I found the same only in the late USSR, and even if we took away the time of the “genius of pluralism”, then all the same there were enough minuses.

          Well, after Khrushchev’s monetary reform, a bottle of “Moscow” 2 p. 87 kopecks, metropolitan 3 p. 12 kopecks oil 3 r. 50 kopecks, meat about 2 rubles. sausage "Separate" 1 rub 60 kopecks. smoked from 2 rub. 40 kopecks
          "Moskvich" about 4000 rubles. and before the reform, Moskvich-407 was worth 25 rubles. The rent is 000-15 rubles.
          The salary of a worker and engineers is about 120 rubles. But there were specialists who received 500 rubles. Kindergarten about 5 rubles a month, pioneer camp about 15 rubles. Medications are cheap. Cooperative apartment
          three-room 4000 rub. down payment (full 10), but again the turn.
          But all the holidays and birthdays were going to all relatives and friends, of course the tables were full of snacks. How many do not take a drink, the second time you have to run to the store.
          Before the reform, everything was cheaper, and then slowly but prices were rising.
          1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 17: 23 New
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            Before the reform, everything was cheaper, and then slowly but prices were rising.

            I believe that everything began with Khrushchev.
            1. tihonmarine 27 June 2020 17: 35 New
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              I believe that everything began with Khrushchev.

              With him, "corncob" and began, maybe they read about Novocherkassk in 1962, and even the fil recently came out. All because prices began to raise, and agriculture ruin.
        3. rocket757 27 June 2020 17: 47 New
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          They say a lot about the period of "takeoff", "stagnation", about the "leading elders" .... I can say that I survived all this. There is a lot to remember, because I did not sit still, but traveled the whole country up and down .... and I had to fall behind the Iron Curtain.
          The country, people lived, in different ways, it was like that, but everyone had the opportunity to change their life !!!
          Now everything is different .... there seem to be different possibilities, but there are no limitations.
          The author has not in vain noticed that many problems now, in this system to solve, not everyone has the opportunity. This is, at least, honest.
          Life is different ... either adapt, survive, or try to change options.
          1. tihonmarine 27 June 2020 17: 50 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            The country, people lived, in different ways, it was like that, but everyone had the opportunity to change their life !!!

            As Egor Ligachev said, "We lived not richly, but well."
            1. Sergej1972 28 June 2020 22: 16 New
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              And why do you call him so disrespectfully?
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                And why do you call him so disrespectfully?

                So the people called him at that time.
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                  Never heard.
          2. Simargl 29 June 2020 15: 03 New
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            Now everything is different
            Previously, in order to get the notorious bread and circuses, you had to move, but now it’s the minimum for which you don’t really need to strain: cheap, albeit low-quality, food and all the entertainment on your smartphone.
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              cheap, albeit low-quality, food and all the entertainment on your smartphone.

              Achievements of civilization. are you against it?
              1. Simargl 29 June 2020 15: 28 New
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                are you against it?
                Not. I tried to explain.
                1. rocket757 29 June 2020 17: 44 New
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                  We plunged into it all at the most do not indulge! Maybe someone did not understand this yet, it does not change anything.
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          Share the result, I would not want to miss it!
  • carstorm 11 27 June 2020 15: 38 New
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    This phrase about galoshes already really pisses me off. how did anyone hear that I managed to produce nothing but galoshes, I don’t know ... all that we produced, nobody needed. Because no one bought our galoshes, except for the African, who needed to walk on the hot sand. there is still the difference between nothing but nobody needs ...
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      how can anyone hear that I managed to produce nothing but galoshes, I don’t know ..

      listen to yourself
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        I heard her many times. once again, in what place to say that apart from galoshes the country did nothing?). All that we produced was nobody needed. Because no one bought our galoshes, except for an African who needed to walk on hot sand I hear. but that apart from galoshes, they didn’t produce anything;
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          all that we produced was nobody needed.

          oh? How many years have we lived in the Soviet Union ourselves? What is the export of weapons under the USSR?
          "According to Richard Grimmet, in 1986 the expansion of Soviet arms supplies became sensational and brought the state $ 12,6 billion in profit, which was three times the $ 3,9 billion earned by US exporters. According to estimates by the US Office for Arms and Disarmament Control, trade military products make up 15% of all Soviet exports, compared with 4% in the US, respectively. Congressional Research Service reports that the USSR delivered $ 1982 billion worth of military products to third-world countries from 1986 to 60. What are the figures in the United States? About $ 25 billion. "
          Some sold, while others bought unnecessary? laughing
          As for civilian products, here we are not up to the mark, all from China.
          What is shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing, domestic electronics? You can not continue ...
          "Buran" in Gorky Park symbolizes the state of affairs in general
          1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 16: 10 New
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            yes to me on the drum he is right or not !!! I'm talking about a specific phrase. You can not quote people turning the words and changing the meaning of what was said. I am talking only about this and nothing more.
            1. New Year day 27 June 2020 16: 11 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              yes to me on the drum he is right or not !!! I'm talking about a specific phrase. You can not quote people turning the words and changing the meaning of what was said.

              what coups? Surround! At 26 seconds he says ..
              1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 16: 14 New
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                not true. all that we produced was nobody needed. Because nobody bought our galoshes. no phrases here produced only galoshes. what you understand it is your personal perception. when I quote someone I myself want to comprehend what was said and not your interpretation.
                1. Zefr 29 June 2020 00: 57 New
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                  Here I am, one long time ago, preoccupied for the sake of a dispute (with the Jews on their website) with these questions. Was the unnecessary product really produced?
                  So, a huge amount of technical products left the USSR. Only ZAZ-965 "Brokeback" sold 5 thousand a year. Machine tools, automobiles, heavy and medium mechanical engineering ...
                  When now they are proud of selling grain - this was also put forward to me as an argument - it turned out that the sale of grain could not cover 1/10 of the cost of engineering products.
                  So, the arguments in the article are chosen very carefully - so God forbid not to fall into disastrous positions. And their - 90% percent
              2. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 20: 12 New
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                Sylvester, dear! Mr. Putin is lying in his every speech. At least once, and more often much more.
          2. savage1976 27 June 2020 17: 08 New
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            Yes, the deliveries were huge, who argues, but was there a payment for these deliveries? Or is it the people of the USSR who paid for everything out of their pocket, and is Putin now forgiving these deliveries by writing off billions to Africa and South America?
            1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 17: 17 New
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              Yes, the deliveries were huge, who argues, but was there a payment for these deliveries?

              Basically, there was a payment for natural resources, this is for short.
              1. savage1976 27 June 2020 17: 22 New
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                Rather, it was helping the formation of socialism throughout the world, although it was documented, but in international practice, the courts do not consider military assistance to be the country's duty if it is not paid. Type as you agree.
                1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 17: 27 New
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                  Rather, it was helping the formation of socialism.

                  It was like that, of course, but was it bad for markets and minerals, although there were many joint ventures built there. The Soviet Union always lacked working hands.
                  1. savage1976 27 June 2020 17: 31 New
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                    Working hands are always scarce, including now. The whole question is, what do these hands do? But the bad thing is that the labor and resources of the people then did not receive payment for their labors, unfortunately, even now this often happens in our country.
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                      Quote: savage1976
                      Working hands are always scarce, including now.

                      Based on what did you draw such conclusions?
                      Quote: savage1976
                      But the bad thing is that the labor and resources of the people then did not receive payment for their labors,

                      This is during the Soviet Union, paid little? Add to your salaries free apartments, pioneer camps, motels, you can list a lot, don’t write better that you don’t know. I still found a “piece” of the USSR, I remember everything.
                    2. savage1976 27 June 2020 17: 52 New
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                      Conclusions about working hands from vacancies, for example, drivers of category A3, with salaries of 100, cannot be found. Many people want to sit in the office with a cup of coffee in front of the computer and there are no people who want to go for a lot of money in their careers. But you didn’t understand a little about the payment, the workers received it, but the country sent the products, but did not receive the payment. If you work, but don’t get paid, can you extend it for a long time? So the country can not give products without payment.
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                      Conclusions about working hands from vacancies, for example, drivers of category A3, with salaries of 100, cannot be found.

                      Workers are not enough, this is when unemployment is 0%, when in a provincial town, with a population of 200, vacancies in the specialty of about 000, in related specialties, good for 50. That was when I came from the army.
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                      Have you tried to study? After all, this is precisely the main achievement of the USSR, universal literacy, which was not there before.
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                      Quote: savage1976
                      Have you tried to study? After all, this is precisely the main achievement of the USSR, universal literacy, which was not there before.

                      Why are you asking me about this? Do you mean that I need to retrain for some popular specialty? I have done this more than once in my life. My last "retraining" was in 50 with a tail of years, from the system administrator, on the web. development. For me, personally, everything is fine so far. It was not about me, but about what it means "not enough hands."
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                      Once again, there are many unemployed but there are also many vacancies with normal pay and people cannot be found, so this is not unemployment, but the reluctance of people to relearn, change professions. They learned to be a typist 30 years ago and expect that they will be paid a salary, but no one needs a typist now, any student can easily do this job much faster. But since they do not want to study, they cannot find work either, the specialty does not allow it.
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                      Jobs ... I look now vacancies ... Watch, shift, shift ..... And how many friends threw a shift and ....
          3. savage1976 27 June 2020 17: 55 New
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            We have already discussed above about apartments, but they were, but not to everyone, not immediately and not always. And strange people themselves built apartments with their own money on the cooperative and transferred them to the state. Strange. Why if they were given free apartments?
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            Quote: savage1976
            We have already discussed above about apartments, but they were, but not to everyone, not immediately and not always.

            They were all, not immediately, always.
            Quote: savage1976
            And strange people themselves built apartments with their own money on the cooperative and transferred them to the state. Strange. Why if they were given free apartments?

            They didn’t want to wait in line, or they wanted a larger area than they should. It was quite cheap, in addition, at the plant, a loan could be taken without interest.
          5. savage1976 27 June 2020 18: 30 New
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            Apparently not all and not always. Father is a hero of social. Labor, a communist, a mother who raised two children while his father washed gold, never got his own, until he bought it in the late 90s. Born at 42 and 44, Retired at 98m. So where is their apartment that everyone was given? In the Ukrainian SSR, they rented a room with two children for 10 years, then they lived in the north in a Stalin barracks with a toilet on the street and a bucket under the sink, brought water at -50 until you drag it into the house with a bucket, the floor of the barrel froze, then drag it into the house to melt ice, while You heat the stove, you heat it, as you have stopped, you give the oak tree and forever run around with a sled for long-range truckers to wheed out or steal a piece of coal while he is having a bite in the dining room. So where is the apartment then? Since everyone was given? Where is the decent standard of living of Soviet people in the country of developed socialism? For some reason my family did not see him.
          6. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 18: 52 New
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            Father is a hero of social. Labor

            It is doubtful that my parents would not receive an apartment, they received a departmental kopeck piece, 2 weeks after the wedding. In the city of Navoi, they were on a business trip there, and remained there, 1969.
          7. mat-vey 28 June 2020 06: 07 New
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            It is doubtful that I would not get an apartment

            The hero of SotsTrud and the Soviet Union was supposed to have a bust in his homeland during his lifetime, and then something about the apartment. They were all registered in the regional committees of the city committees and the Central Committee of all kinds, and here the Internet is a fairy tale ..
          8. savage1976 28 June 2020 08: 04 New
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            Yes, I admit, I lied, not a social hero. Labor, and a veteran of labor, was already obtained under the capitalists in 1993. But the apartments were not only given to the heroes. And where?
          9. mat-vey 28 June 2020 08: 11 New
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            And where?

            Go outside - and look .. In all the houses before 1991 the apartments were received, but not bought ... even in some and later buildings ..
          10. savage1976 28 June 2020 09: 29 New
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            It’s wonderful, but now you demand from the authorities that you have here and now, and not pay the mortgage for 20 years, but it’s better to wait for the same freebies for 20 years, it will suddenly fall. Someone then got a bit of a freebie and that power is the best in the world, and you don’t want to see those who didn’t get a freebie. So why should those who are now satisfied with the power hear those who are dissatisfied.
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            Great, but now you demand from the authorities

            Are you cheating a little again?
            This may be a freebie for you, and then this is the distribution of the results of society’s labor.
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            Yeah, only they didn’t get to everyone.
    2. Mordvin 3 28 June 2020 08: 14 New
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      But the apartments were not only given to the heroes. And where?

      Quote: savage1976
      father washed gold

      In the cooperative washed?
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      Yes in the mines.
    4. Mordvin 3 28 June 2020 09: 35 New
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      Yes in the mines.

      Well, my dad also in the 70s wound up kicking money for the Far East, as a result of which he was removed from the queue, and having rushed back to the same enterprise, he didn’t receive an apartment in the early 80s, I had to wait a few years until the next the house was built.
      And who built it in artels, if there were people gathering from all over the Union?
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      It remains for the shabashniks to tell how they threw them with the state apartments ...
    6. savage1976 28 June 2020 11: 34 New
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      Well, yes, the co-workers in the country of developed socialism are not people, they are not supposed to have apartments from the state.
  • savage1976 28 June 2020 11: 33 New
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    And, well, that is, people who went to the north for the country did not need to get precious metals in apartments, their problems.)))) You yourself have just confirmed that you didn’t immediately give apartments and not everyone. And what is the difference with today? In all those houses that were built since 1991, people also live or who have received or bought apartments for themselves where they wanted and when they wanted and could. So there is not much difference in life, then someone didn’t get it, now someone didn’t calculate the force. In general, everything is stable, spin as you want.
  • Mordvin 3 28 June 2020 11: 50 New
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    Well, that is, people who traveled to the north for the country do not need precious metals to mine, their problems.))))

    This is an artel with all their benefits and salaries several times higher than average. Your dad could easily afford a house for five thousand, he could buy either a cooperative apartment, but it seems to me that he preferred Lada. I went on a shift, I suppose, he had no desire to stay in Pevek, or a similar city, didn’t he? Personally, I had two uncles who left to work there and stayed where they got the apartments, and the third, who wound there from time to time, and who changed jobs every year, naturally received nothing, but he didn’t need it, in his parents' house lived to death.
    Quote: savage1976
    In all those houses that were built since 1991, people also live or who have received or bought apartments for themselves where they wanted and when they wanted and could.

    I would like to see how today the watchman of the enterprise, or the seller of the Carousel, who belonged to the middle class with a salary of 17 thousand, will give out a loan for the apartment.
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    Oh, how quickly you forgot about justice. Where did the slogans about good for all go? When it seems, you need to be baptized. And why am I continuing to live on these same servers so far? So let your cashier move from a supermarket to Vorkuta, the Administration can’t give out apartments there for free, and you won’t need a mortgage, but she’s not going to leave Moscow for the ring road. Let him try to learn, then your cashier and janitor will find more profitable work, you look and life will get better.
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    But even suppose that in your words about the artel worker and that they do not have apartments from the state there is some justice, is there also a mother, a mother of two children, who worked on the same servers as a dishwasher in the kindergarten, where is her apartment? Or dishwashers also paid thousands in salaries?
  • Mordvin 3 29 June 2020 01: 03 New
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    Oh, how quickly you forgot about justice.

    Your dad had a choice, either to dangle over a long ruble, simultaneously equipping his family with these rubles in normal climatic conditions, or to work in one place, waiting for the apartment. As for your mother, the state employees waited even more, for example, my mother, working in the society of the blind, didn’t wait either, they gave the baht faster, although they built houses for the blind, and they wanted to build another house for the collapse of the USSR, they cleared the clearing and holes drilled in the ground. So in the case of the pope, everything is very fair, the miners at that time received more ministers.
  • savage1976 29 June 2020 01: 12 New
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    Therefore, you confirm my words that not all citizens of the country got a fair division of the results of their work. So what exactly is the difference with the current situation? All the same. Lucky someone and he can afford a lot, someone not lucky and he does not get the benefits of civilization, and maybe it’s not a matter of luck, but the desire to achieve, strive for, setting goals. Just as you don’t look at these cashiers with 17 thousand salaries, each one has an iPhone that’s not cheap. Just 10 years, the iPhone can’t be changed, it’s easier to get by with the phone and here you have money on the floor of the apartment.
  • Mordvin 3 29 June 2020 01: 21 New
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    Therefore, you confirm my words that not all citizens of the country got a fair division of the results of their work.

    I do not confirm. I suppose mother would have gotten if it had not been for the collapse of the USSR.
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    So what exactly is the difference with the current situation? All the same.

    Where do you see the same thing? Yes, even though the dishwasher will wash the dishes in the restaurant around the clock, and the cleaning lady will tear the floors in the store, not to see the apartment today as her own ears.
  • savage1976 29 June 2020 01: 25 New
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    Let him try to study and not sit in social networks. It was education that allowed the Bolsheviks to raise the country, so everything is in its hands.
  • Mordvin 3 29 June 2020 01: 29 New
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    Let him try to learn

    And what, low-paid professions will disappear from this somewhere? Tired of me, in short. This would be given to his mother in due time. Arideverchi.
  • savage1976 29 June 2020 01: 37 New
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    Low-paid professions for bread allow you to earn knowledge and experience, they are not the goal of life, but only a transitional stage and no more. And mom and dad, thanks to this system, were able to create normal living conditions for themselves, and not because of the expectation of a fair separation, which they did not wait for. Weak oppositionists went, blown away after 3 phrases. Have a nice one you too.
  • Mordvin 3 29 June 2020 01: 46 New
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    Low-paying professions for bread allow you to earn knowledge and experience, they are not the goal of life, but only a transitional stage and no more

    So it turns out your mom gained experience while dad was washing gold.
    Quote: savage1976
    which did not wait.

    And both of them, expecting free benefits, did not hit finger to finger to improve their living conditions.
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    thanks to this system they were able to create normal living conditions for themselves

    Did mom run to study right away? And dad suddenly realized that he could not wait for freebies anymore?
  • savage1976 29 June 2020 05: 50 New
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    It is true and quite happy that they lived their life in their home doing their favorite things.
  • AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 09 New
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    Did they pay a lot? I, the pilot, earned about five hundred rubles. This is at the real dollar exchange rate, which was 1: 3 was less than 200 bucks. My colleague from developed countries in those years had at least 30-40 times more.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Did they pay a lot? I, the pilot, earned about five hundred rubles.

    At Soviet prices, it was not enough?
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    This is at the real dollar exchange rate, which was 1: 3 was less than 200 bucks.

    At the rate of 1: 3 there were checks of foreign trade (speculation). There was a separate criminal article for dollars and the course was different.
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    My colleague from developed countries in those years had at least 30-40 times more.

    Clean the toe, it will be closer to the truth. We were on a business trip in Romania and my father had the opportunity to compare our salary and the salary of a German from Germany, we were friends. The difference was about 5 times. However, the German did not have those benefits in the form of free apartments, spa treatment, a pioneer of camps, electricity tariffs and much more. Most of all he was surprised by our payment of housing and communal services and the taste of our food. “You have everything natural in Russia,” they already had then, as we have now. On what basis are you trying to convert Soviet salaries into dollars? We and they had a completely different life, it can’t be so rudely compared in terms of salaries. You cannot but know this. Why when AS Ivanov appears, lies and gross manipulations begin?
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    I, the pilot, earned about five hundred rubles.

    And you consider that you could buy these 500 rubles.
  • AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 20: 12 New
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    1/12 Lada car. Or 1/6, forgive the Lord, Zaporozhets. The whole color TV. Half of the Panasonic radio, if taken from marimans or in a lump. Not much.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    1/12 Lada car. Or 1/6, forgive the Lord, Zaporozhets. The whole color TV. Half of the Panasonic radio, if taken from marimans or in a lump. Not much.

    And what now, in the era of freedom and the market, can a pilot buy?
    And can now pilot Air France or Pan American from one salary buy a car?
  • AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 20: 30 New
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    The Finnair pilot in 1990 earned about 50000 Finnish marks - this is $ 8500. A golf car was affordable for him. In PanAm, salaries were higher.
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    Ivanov, you could not buy all of the above immediately, at will. Do you remember the Uzbek business, 1989? They turned the money into jewelry, packed it in 3 liter cans and buried it. Couldn’t buy anything for their tens of thousands
  • AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 20: 45 New
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    Of durable goods - absolutely nothing. I mean here both immediately and for face value. You could overpay and buy from huckster. The worst thing is that it was impossible to take and buy an apartment like this. I bought a car with a decent overpayment.
  • Far B 27 June 2020 22: 50 New
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    Stop lying. Of the listed only Lada correspond to reality.
  • Skarpzd 28 June 2020 03: 16 New
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    and then not always.
  • AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 10: 19 New
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    Would you try in a scoop to buy a normal tourist equipment. Tool: drills, grinders, saws. Either slop quality or not at all. Appliances? And what is it? There are no less queues for a decent refrigerator than for a car. Auto parts? Ohhh, this is a special article.
  • Skarpzd 28 June 2020 13: 15 New
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    AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
    Would you try in a scoop to buy a normal tourist equipment.


    forgive what time are you comparing ??? if there are no comparisons with those! for in order to compare, we need samples of our and foreign goods. and not everyone had them. the instrument is the same nonsense. I still have a 1972 drill in working condition. Yes heavy, but bulky, but it seems that they were the same then abroad. what is wrong with household appliances then? I have a Yenisei refrigerator in my garage there, the bottom has already decayed from old age. compressor on a wooden frame is standing. and nothing. it cools and even freezes. and on audio equipment we gave the Japanese a head start. the truth and the cost of high-class equipment was not weak. but if you need to - then buy it. I personally had a bunch of "Fly 101 + Amphiton A1-01 + s-90" more than satisfied with the quality. By the way, the S-90 is still being actively used. for parts, this is a topic of a separate and long conversation. in our region for some reason (maybe due to the fact that a "foreign car") there were no checkpoints on the Cossacks. discharged through posttorg. the matter was not fast.
  • Vadim237 27 June 2020 23: 53 New
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    In the same 1986 year, the USSR imported $ 68 billion worth of foreign products and food and bought record volumes of grain of almost 47 million tons. Such purchases are already a food production disaster. As for the current aviation and electronics - we are starting to do something in this area that meets the requirements of today and tomorrow, and the secret export of weapons and everything connected with it last year was set at 55 billion dollars.
  • businessv 27 June 2020 16: 02 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    I don’t know ... everything that we produced was nobody needed.
    The first part of the phrase would be quite enough because the second half only confirms the first! hi
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      everyone hears what he wants apparently. I do not dispute the correctness or not of his opinion. I’m just saying that if you quote a phrase, it’s exactly and not as you please.
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        everyone hears what he wants apparently.

        I definitely would not want to hear that
        all that we produced was nobody needed.
        because it's stupid, colleague! I didn’t quote the whole phrase because it doesn’t change the point - anyone who is interested will find and read it, especially since the entire site rules do not recommend copying!
        1. Grandfather 27 June 2020 16: 33 New
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          When to live well in Russia: we compare the economies of the Russian Federation today and the RSFSR of the 1980s
          male genital organ and finger, it is not correct to compare.
        2. carstorm 11 28 June 2020 06: 20 New
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          I always give an example of children's toys. up to 91 years, we produced what we produced before decades. a planned economy did not allow these products to develop because why? there is a plan we are pursuing it and we are developing new products for what? but as soon as the market opened, it turned out that it turns out that toys can be made useful for the development of children. safe for children. varied for children. I remember my toys well. some even saved and see what I buy daughters. if my parents had a choice then they would not even touch ours. because backward and ancient.
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            I always give an example of children's toys. up to 91 years, we produced what we produced before decades. a planned economy did not allow these products to develop because why? there is a plan we are pursuing it and we are developing new products for what? but as soon as the market opened, it turned out that it turns out that toys can be made useful for the development of children. safe for children. varied for children. I remember my toys well. some even saved and see what I buy daughters. if my parents had a choice then they would not even touch ours. because backward and ancient.

            A portable compact black-and-white television receiver, the Children's Telestructor, was produced by the Magneton Leningrad Plant since I-q 1984. meter waves. The assembled TV has a sensitivity of 20 μV. Nominal output power of 100 mW. Power is supplied from the network through an external power supply or battery. Power consumption is 10 and 4 W, respectively. TV dimensions are 130x75x200 mm. Its weight is 1,5 kg. Since 1987 in the teleconstructor, the mechanical channel switch was replaced by an electronic one, dividing into 2 ranges 1 ... 5 and 6 ... 12 channels "- a very backward toy, just a primitive medieval ...
  • Ross xnumx 27 June 2020 16: 40 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    This, of course, is a conditional analysis, a comparison, but for garlic!

    And what is “garlic” here?
    In an improved housing plan, for which the average worker will live in bondage for 15-20 years (and this is only housing), fearing that at any time he may find himself either with a broken trough or behind the gates ...
    Such an interesting comparison on cars ... Who would doubt that in the USSR passenger cars were luxury. And why the author didn’t give the correlation of Russian models in the Russian Federation (not production in the Russian Federation, but pure Russian models) and foreign cars?
    It is true that in terms of industrial production there is nothing to compare. It’s nothing that for public funds (taxes and unpaid salaries, extortions hidden in prices and tariffs), individuals build pipelines to pump the last juices out of the country.
    How is aviation, astronautics, shipbuilding. machine-tool building ... Let's continue “for garlic”? Education, medicine, pharmaceuticals ... Electronics, household appliances ...
    And why not compare the prices for fish in the USSR and the Russian Federation, or the prices for meat and fish in the Russian Federation?
    Eskimo according to GOST 60 g weighs 60 rubles ("Magnet"), and a glass of ice cream 70 g - 45 p.
    And how will we compare the official unemployment data in the USSR (0) and the Russian Federation (according to official statistics 4) ...
    Let's get garlic. In the RSFSR, even in difficult times (until 1991), population growth was observed. And today in the Russian Federation? Or do you think that the number of people living in such a vast territory is not the most important criterion in building a state?
    But it is also true that a deputy of the Supreme Council could boast of a villa in Spain? What host health program could afford a house in the US?
    I hasten to recall that this hypertrophied development of Moscow and St. Petersburg against the background of a poor province will not bring to good. And the proportion of those whose salaries allow them to live in abundance is incredibly low (in comparison with the RSFSR).
    Yes, I completely forgot how great it is to praise the development of the Agro-industry against the background of thousands of destroyed collective farms and state farms and thousands of abandoned villages.
    Bravo! Not everyone, but life has become better. Life has become more fun ... crying
    1. rocket757 27 June 2020 19: 19 New
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      Everyone understands the article as he wants. This is all subjective.
    2. Vadim237 28 June 2020 00: 03 New
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      “Individuals are building pipelines to pump the last juices out of the country” —Name the names of these individuals who are building pipelines from the country — I personally don’t know such people if you were actively building gas pipelines and oil pipelines in the USSR towards the west to receive currency - What private individuals were there?
      1. Ross xnumx 28 June 2020 03: 34 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        Surnames of these private individuals name which pipelines from the country are being built - I personally do not know such

        Do not know? Pick up the mouse and find out. At the same time, take an interest in who financed the construction of gas pipelines during the Soviet era and why large-diameter pipes (at one time) were not produced in the USSR.
        1. Vadim237 28 June 2020 22: 30 New
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          I don’t need a mouse - I know that we don’t have such private individuals. All of these gas pipelines and oil pipelines are built by the state, namely state-owned companies, but foreign consumers will give the construction money without a project.
    3. Vadim237 28 June 2020 00: 14 New
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      Alas, the agriculture of the USSR showed that most of these state farms and collective farms were not worth a penny for production: grain, meat, sugar, etc. were bought more and more every year, and this despite the fact that the country had tens of millions of square kilometers of arable land and produced hundreds of thousands tractors and combines with rigging and villages began to actively leave back in the 50s.
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        Quote: Vadim237
        and villages began to actively leave back in the 50s.

        I see that you won’t get away with everything - a fisherman from a pan. The mass outflow to the cities occurred in the 70-80s, when in the cities workers began to be required for production and people began to be provided with housing from the production they worked for (dormitories and houses). We are not acquainted? DEPARTMENT HOUSING ...
        Do not meddle in the conversation of adults with profitable jokes. To really know something, you need to experience and see it. And you practice the storytelling of fables.
        1. Sergej1972 28 June 2020 22: 31 New
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          Mass outflow began in the thirties, in the era of industrialization. Due to what the percentage of the urban population so sharply increased in the 30-50s? The mass of my relatives moved to the cities both in the 30-50s and in the 60-80s.
        2. Vadim237 28 June 2020 22: 34 New
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          In the Volgograd region already in the 57th in the Kotovsky district there were three empty villages - in which the 49th lived, so there was no need to trawl about 70-80s. And fables are mostly just for you and the facts are zero.
  • Svarog 27 June 2020 17: 37 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    . There are a lot of problems and they all need a solution that can hardly take place in the modern political coordinate system. But to deny the good that exists in the life of the modern Russian state is stupid and wrong, as it was wrong. But to analyze the economy of the RSFSR (USSR) with the category “except galoshes, they didn’t produce anything especially”.

    The author is a big plus!
    This, of course, is a conditional analysis, a comparison, but for garlic!

    The article is really very balanced, but where Russia demonstrates not significant superiority in production, it is justified only by the development of technologies and stimulating the economy with loans. And the period of life in the USSR needs to be compared with modern Russia by the role of the state in human life .. I mean confidence in the future, guaranteed work, social protection, free education and medicine, and other social achievements. Then you can compare where it was better to live in the USSR or in the Russian Federation. It will immediately become clear.
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      When did the wheelchairs of their production appear in the USSR? They came up with them back in the century so 17m. So why couldn’t the space-launching country make ramps and wheelchairs?
      1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 04 New
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        Yes, she couldn’t do much (or didn’t want to?). Neither normal clothes, nor food in sufficient quantities, nor modern household appliances, nor cars. A country making orbital stations could not provide the population with elementary. A shame, and only.
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          Yes, she did great, forgetting the small. Now everyone with a small wants great. And who is ready to abandon his small for the sake of the country and the great? Yes, no one.
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            Quote: savage1976
            And who is ready to abandon his small for the sake of the country and the great? Yes, no one.

            Speak only for yourself, please.
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            Quote: savage1976
            Yes, she did great, forgetting the small. Now everyone with a small wants great. And who is ready to abandon his small for the sake of the country and the great? Yes, no one.

            About wheelchairs, you did not hit the eyebrow, but in the eye. And the point here is not what they could not do, the country produced dozens of models of bicycles, mopeds, scooters and motorcycles. There were even such:

            But state priorities lay on a different plane. Only then were there enterprises where people with disabilities could work. What today can the state offer with its insurance medicine to a disabled person?
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A country making orbital stations could not provide the population with elementary. A shame, and only.

            A disgrace is you, people who in the USSR did not enjoy authority: currency traders, speculators, parasites and repeat offenders. It was for them that the socialist system was a noose. But you don’t remember something, that in the USSR there were no garbage containers emitting stench near the houses. Not “around the balls” you have a low rent and lack of water meters, when a person could wash, wash and cook without putting magnets on metering devices.
            Tell us how the country is building orbital stations today and feeding the population with palm oil, soy instead of meat and milk not from a cow. Tell me how much it costs to travel in transport or a trip outside the city (region). Tell us how to feed patients in hospitals, children in schools ... How to organize summer vacations ...
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 10: 13 New
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              Garbage containers stood. And they also stink. Although now in St. Petersburg with garbage disposal everything is fine. How to get there by train? Approximately in proportion to the soviet times: the coupe Peter Moscow was worth a dime. Feel free to multiply by 200 (the approximate rate of the Soviet ruble to Russian) and get 2000. That’s how the ticket is in the compartment today. Peter-Vladik by plane: 122 rubles - the salary of a young engineer. Now the ticket is 20 thousand. But in the hospital, they feed better than with the scoop - he was lying recently, he checked for himself.
              1. Mordvin 3 28 June 2020 12: 06 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                coupe Peter Moscow was worth a dime. Feel free to multiply by 200 (the approximate rate of the Soviet ruble to Russian) and get 2000

                That is, the minimum wage in the USSR, equal to 70 rubles, today would be 14 thousand? However, we have not gone far for thirty years.
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              As for the containers you have bent. Where there were no garbage chutes in the houses, they stood.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          No normal clothes

          Are there normal clothes now? A winter jacket in Columbia costs 12-15 thousand, which is not affordable for everyone, the Chinese on the market is 2-4, but what does this Chinese jacket turn into socks in a year?
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          no food in sufficient quantities,

          Do you have them now? Lead today the Soviet GOSTs on products — tomorrow, store shelves will show erotica.
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          A country making orbital stations could not provide the population with elementary.

          Now can it? All domestic life is foreign, even if it is collected here.
          1. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 12: 15 New
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            And now there are normal clothes. There are plenty to choose from without standing in line. And the food is normal - and not that they threw it on the counter. And what difference does it make where the goods are produced, most importantly - there is the opportunity to purchase them.
        3. Vadim237 28 June 2020 00: 20 New
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          What can I say about these things - even normal dental crowns did not. About the metalworking tool, it’s better not to say it; the same thing was saved in terms of materials, since these materials were urgently needed for defense.
          1. AU Ivanov. 28 June 2020 12: 19 New
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            We would try to buy this tool in the store when scooping. Hardware, brackets, building materials. Now you buy it with home delivery, and then they mined it all.
    2. rocket757 27 June 2020 19: 17 New
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      For the plus, the author has indicated that it is necessary to really compare, and not to shout everything is bad, bad, but here it’s good or vice versa ... as many do. Just scourging / praising this or that, the road to nowhere.
      One must be realistic, use what can now be used for good, but also achieve, restore, if possible and useful, what was good then. This is evolution. They are simply trying to replace this with what was then impossible, for objective reasons, the most important one is the real threat of the destruction of the state at a time when society is so SEPARATED.
      Now we don’t have one consolidating force, but we have one country and tearing it apart, according to someone’s wishes, it will be a disaster.
      I do not like the present, but destroying the country because of this is inadmissible to anyone.
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    Unless, of course, it is assumed that the basis of the entire structure is machine building and machine tool building, this has not happened for a long time. There are no their machines, they ate their mole.
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 13 New
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      The wealth of the country is, first of all, the welfare of citizens. And not tons of smelted pig iron and coal not given to the mountain. What is the use of them, if the same car, had to wait in line for years.
      1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 20: 55 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        The wealth of the country is, first of all, the welfare of citizens. And not tons of smelted pig iron and coal not given to the mountain.

        But isn’t this the very “well-being of citizens” made up of?
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        What is the use of them, if the same car, had to wait in line for years.

        How do you like to stick out your mercantilism and philistinism. After all, there is much more, besides the joys of the womb and phallus.
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 21: 08 New
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          Cast iron and steel are excellent when they make different useful things from them: cars, for example. Not buckets with nuts, as it was with us, but cars. Convenient for driver and amateur and professional. And as for the joys: would you try to travel around the Union savage, no, not in the South, but just to see the country. Overnight in the car, if you are equestrian or at the station, if on foot, you were guaranteed - checked. At hotels there are signs: "no places" and so on for almost all cities and towns. This is now a hoteliers fighting for every guest. No, now living is much more comfortable.
          1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 21: 20 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Overnight in the car, if you are equestrian or at the station, if on foot, you were guaranteed - checked. At hotels there are signs: "no places" and so on for almost all cities and towns

            What kind of nonsense, I am with a friend, after undergraduate practice, I traveled across the Baltic floor, in hotels and stayed.
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              And I'm on the Golden Ring. In Pskov, Vologda, Petrozavodsk. They took a tent well with us: we drove out to the small forest - here you have the night. The Baltic states, it was not entirely Soviet, and there was no water in the beer.
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            What kind of garbage, I have two friends on motorcycles went to Riga and back. I did not go, because I sold a motorcycle and bought a guitar)))
    2. rocket757 27 June 2020 19: 29 New
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      To say that nothing is being done in this direction ... is already being done. Little, the level is not yet ah.
      Let’s see the plans of the upper masses ...
  • evgen1221 27 June 2020 17: 51 New
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    And to compare the prices of these very products of which we are now producing 80 years more, taking into account inflation of the dollar and, accordingly, the availability of a grocery basket here and there? It may not be so rosy. Progress is certainly evident, but on the face more and more anger over the collapse of the country.
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    Quote: rocket757
    This, of course, is a conditional analysis, a comparison, but for garlic!

    Em? And where did you see an honest comparison then? The RSFSR is compared on a technological base 40 years ago, and modern Russia. In about the same way you can compare the crops in the Russian Empire and, even better, the Moscow Principality, the time of Kalita, and the Russian Federation, and draw conclusions about the unprecedented heyday of our agriculture. It will be more objective to compare not the grain harvests of the Russian Federation and the RSFSR, but the yield in the RSFSR and, say, Belgium, and then in the Russian Federation and the same Belgium. And there will be a funny discovery, as the Krasnodar Territory under the USSR lost about 1,5 times, the very Belgium, in terms of fees per hectare, loses. The same story with cars. Has the issue grown? Well yes. But in the same states, in the 80s, an average of 12 million was produced per year, plus or minus, in the tenths of this century a little more than 15 million. Just technologies are developing, that's all.
    And here is the fact that in many sectors there is a decline, compared with the USSR, and this despite the fact that with the development of technology there should have been growth ... It seems to show the whole inefficiency of capitalism compared with socialism. Even when compared with the period of life of the social state, when agents of influence purposefully destroy it.
    1. Vadim237 28 June 2020 00: 36 New
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      Growth will be when demand grows Russia lives in a market economy there will be demand, there will be supply, there will be no demand and there will be no supply, this was the planned economy of the RSFSR and the entire USSR - according to which everything in the country was decided for everyone and how much Why do not you generate demand for the five-year period below, but form it for you above - it’s understandable that the real demand for all goods, materials and everything else in the country was higher and hence the deficit.
  • WIKI 27 June 2020 23: 55 New
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    I would not say that everything is as you and the author claim.
    But we must pay attention to the decrease in the specific share of potatoes in the diet of Russians. Now he plays an incomparably smaller role in the menu of the average Russian than 30-40 years ago.
    1990 107 kg per capita. https://proza.ru/2016/07/08/990 In 2017, the consumption of this vegetable was 112,6 kg per capita. https://iz.ru/697218/anastasiia-kniazeva/rossiiane-nalegaiut-na-kartoshku
  • smart ass 28 June 2020 10: 38 New
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    As a result, after 30 years of development and reform, we have the same indicators))) “excellent result”
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      the main thing is that it has not become worse
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    The author is a big minus! You can’t attract by the ears, even though they used statistics. Nonsense is shorter.
  • sanya 28 June 2020 20: 27 New
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    This is not garlic. This is Ukrainian dill.
    What does it matter how much was going to the USSR if half of it then rotted and disappeared?
    There were no storage conditions or technological packaging
    Electronics in the USSR was in its infancy
    Houses were built but where? Where people have nothing to do
    And today they are building in normal places where people want to live.
    In short, the Soviet draft
    People today in Russia live better than in a scoop.
  • Pavel57 27 June 2020 15: 13 New
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    It is sometimes useful to compare it with 1913.
    1. Gargantua 27 June 2020 15: 36 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      It is sometimes useful to compare it with 1913.

      Think small. The head of the Ozerkovskys outdid everyone, comparing the current difficulties with the raids of the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs.
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      Quote: Pavel57
      It is sometimes useful to compare it with 1913.


      This is when in Russia from the crunch of French buns ears were laying?
      1. Sergej1972 27 June 2020 16: 48 New
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        The French bread was constantly in the assortment of bread shops in Moscow and Leningrad in the pre-war and post-war period, and no one connected it with the old regime. Moreover, even before the revolution, they were by no means bought by representatives of the privileged strata. There is nothing special about this bun.
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        This is when in Russia from the crunch of French buns ears were laying?

        And our Eskimo ice cream, 12 kopecks each, is incomparable, and a glass of soda pop with syrup, a dream !!! I'm not talking about hot pies with meat.
    3. Ryazan87 27 June 2020 16: 05 New
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      Here in such a presentation - optimally :)
  • iouris 27 June 2020 15: 13 New
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    "Modern Russia" ("RF of a democratic choice") is not entirely "modern" ("so how did your Americans help you, son?")
  • Sergey39 27 June 2020 15: 24 New
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    I don’t know about the "modern political coordinate system." In my opinion, right now the old is being demolished and the transition to the new is taking place.
    1. aleksejkabanets 27 June 2020 17: 31 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      and transition to a new

      Let me clarify to a new one which one?
    2. populist 27 June 2020 17: 34 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      I don’t know about the "modern political coordinate system." In my opinion, right now the old is being demolished and the transition to the new is taking place.

      You are wrong.
      Now there is no scrapping of the old system. no
      Now there is no transition to a new system. no
      Recent transformations lead
      to strengthen exactly the old Yeltsiputin system, negative
      to strengthen the regime of personal, virtually autocratic, power stop
      and consolidation of the peripheral commodity economy. am
  • V1er 27 June 2020 15: 27 New
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    In the RSFSR men and 60 women retired at the age of 55, in the Russian Federation - 65 men, 60 women. My grandparents received apartments for free. One grandmother has one child - a two-room apartment. The second 4 children have a three-room apartment. The sister of the grandmother has 2 children - three-room in the nine. Now I only know my father and many acquaintances who are sitting on a mortgage and curse life. An acquaintance of his father lost his job and was unable to pay a mortgage, the bank did not go forward. His apartment is up for sale. Some money will be returned to him, he paid, but the rest will be taken by the bank. A man is literally homeless.
    1. Gargantua 27 June 2020 15: 42 New
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      A man is literally homeless.

      There are millions of such broken fates. The fateful prediction of the red Judas came true, he said: it’s okay if 20 million people die as a result of the reforms. And so it happened. Here are the data of demographic losses comparable to the Second World War.
      A truly terrible price was paid by our people, for the sake of a prosperous life for a handful of people. Moreover, the common people in their entire mass live poorly. If you compare today's life with something, then you need to compare it not with the 90s, but with the standard of living of Poles, Bulgarians and other western neighbors. Here we see how much we began to live worse.
      1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 15: 51 New
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        But how do you want to compare with them? The Russian Federation receives subsidies from somewhere for the state? Or maybe the EU pushes us financial programs? open trade with us duty free? What criteria do you want to compare? for example, in Poland, for example, only subsidies from the EU budget were poured over 15 yards of euro for 110 years. Who and how much poured into the Russian Federation? compare these indicators to begin with?
        1. V1er 27 June 2020 15: 54 New
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          How much did the EU pour into the RSFSR in the 80s? And you forget the mantra of our leaders that the country needs outside investment. To invest your money in the country? It is impossible, it is not market.
          1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 15: 56 New
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            I said somewhere about the investment? I said about subsidies) on a gratuitous and irrevocable basis without establishing directions and (or) conditions for their use. Do not confuse the terms, please. they have radically different meanings
            1. V1er 27 June 2020 15: 57 New
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              We are not a member of the European Union to receive subsidies. And most likely, if Poland and others were part of the Russian Federation, we would have to subsidize all these countries (as it was already). I don’t know in the history of examples of a country pouring money into Russia at no cost.
              1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 16: 00 New
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                What am I talking about? so how then to compare a country that is trying to do everything itself with one that has been subsidized for decades in huge amounts? it's like comparing a major to which dad gives money in centimeters and a guy, for example, who is trying to achieve everything in life.
                1. V1er 27 June 2020 16: 22 New
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                  I didn’t put you the cons, I am for a healthy discussion.
                  1. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 16: 24 New
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                    Yes, I do not bother with this) I myself do not bet to anyone. I think this is a childish approach to assessing the words of the interlocutor)
      2. savage1976 27 June 2020 16: 45 New
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        And where is the migration growth of the RSFSR? Or was the growth only natural? And where then did millions of people from the remaining 14 republics go to the north and build BAM in the 60s-80s? My whole family (4 people) in the 80s came to the north from the Ukrainian SSR, and there are a lot of such families. this is not natural, but migration growth. So the tablet is not so true.
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          Quote: savage1976
          My whole family (4 people) in the 80s came to the north from the Ukrainian SSR, and there are a lot of such families. this is not natural, but migration growth. So the tablet is not so true.

          Just as the inhabitants of the RSFSR went, for example, to raise virgin land in the Kazakh SSR.
          1. savage1976 27 June 2020 18: 03 New
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            So now, many are leaving to work around the world, or just live a few years in other countries. The world has changed, many can work remotely and it makes no sense to sit at - 50 outside the window. Many people who came from the republics went back to their relatives, so the sign is again incorrect.
    2. carstorm 11 27 June 2020 15: 45 New
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      received. waited for years and received. or waited for years and did not receive. is it your mortgage better than that? it just sounds so that everyone got it, but it's not like that. do they curse life? but to live in a hostel and wait for housing for 5 years is not to curse her? or how my parents in a service closet with two boys is better? everything is relative in this life. someone can wait for the blessing and at that moment curse their lives and someone can get these blessings at least and then pour curses on them. for me, the second option is still better since you at least have your normal housing.
    3. Avior 27 June 2020 15: 55 New
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      Man incorrectly calculated his capabilities
      I had to calculate so that I could pay while I was looking for work
      For example, to pay in advance, to have liquid property, some financial reserve and the like
      Without this, he took great risks, and he was unlucky
      1. Karabin 27 June 2020 20: 15 New
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        Man incorrectly calculated his capabilities

        I like you, those who can calculate everything. To the Patriarchs would be to Woland to a lecture. There, too, one believed that everything was under control. But Annushka has already spilled oil.
        1. Avior 28 June 2020 02: 52 New
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          Calculations in general are often probabilistic in nature, that is the theory of reliability.
          And for one miscalculated there will be a thousand miscalculated
          And in the poi situation you mentioned, Berlioz did not calculate the transition, he began to fuss and suffer.
          But Woland himself just completed the calculation of the future life of the writer, read the classic.
          Not to mention that being guided in life by a literary work of an entertaining-mystical nature is just a bad manners
          Imagine if, according to your principles, bridges were built .....
          hi
          1. Karabin 28 June 2020 21: 20 New
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            on that theory of reliability stands.

            All theories of reliability come to naught if it touches you personally. You cannot calculate a sudden illness, accident, accident, natural disaster. You will not even consider this in your calculations. And so it happened. It should not, since the probability was small, but it happened. And it is with you. But with the other, no. And he, all so confident and successful, writes a comment on VO that citizen “A” was in a difficult situation because he did not pay in advance, had insufficiently liquid property, inadequate financial reserves, and the like.
            1. Avior 29 June 2020 07: 47 New
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              complete nonsense from the series that you need to cross the road without looking at the traffic light, because they can also shoot down the green one.
              Cross over who's stopping
    4. Sergej1972 27 June 2020 16: 51 New
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      But if none of the children or grandchildren wanted to stay and work in your city, then after her death the apartment would go to the state, and her relative, registered in other cities, would not have any rights to her. she stood out under a social contract of employment. There were, of course. own houses or cooperative apartments, there is another matter. Although the cooperative apartments had their own difficulties. The heir must have become a member of the housing cooperative.
    5. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 17: 38 New
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      And my grandmother and grandfather lived almost all their lives in a St. Petersburg communal apartment. Despite the fact that both were veterans, order-bearers. You see - the area of ​​the room did not allow to stand in line. And the fact that in addition to them another 8 families lived in the apartment did not bother anyone. They got a separate square at the end of their lives, on the 60th anniversary of the Victory.
  • Professor 27 June 2020 15: 32 New
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    It was easy to lay out this data in a table. negative
  • 1536 27 June 2020 15: 41 New
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    The fact remains that this is a normal progressive process, characteristic of all developed countries. But was it necessary to change the system for this in the 1990s, cut off, as some village fools said in the 1980s, the "Central Asian underbelly", withdraw troops from Eastern Europe into the "field", abandon independent foreign policy, transfer education to " Bologna system ”, etc. things to do, the big question. Economics, alas, always goes hand in hand with politics.
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    1. Avior 27 June 2020 16: 02 New
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      And why is this comparison? What is the point in comparing the production of pig iron and other things?
      Everything is ultimately aimed at improving the standard of living, and this must be compared.
      The fact that cast iron is produced more does not directly indicate that the standard of living is higher
      The author, too, for some reason undertook to compare economies.
      So he compared the issue of cars and what? It was more reasonable to compare the number of cars in the possession of the population, this would be an indicator of the level.
  • parusnik 27 June 2020 15: 47 New
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    The agricultural industry of modern Russia shows success
    ... I have a friend, finally got a job by profession, an agronomist, deputy general manager for agriculture, as it is now called .. Before that, he also worked as an agronomist, but somehow unlucky .. That farm will go bankrupt, then the owner will change .. During breaks, he worked in different specialties .. Where he was invited, a foreign investor, through third parties, acquired a state farm, which for the last 10 years, was bought and resold .. more than once went bankrupt .. As he says, the goal is to revive a breeding station, at the expense of imported equipment, seeds, seedlings and migrant workers, while the main duty is his responsibility, in his words, to direct them and say "work blacks, the sun is still high" .. Things have not reached the station yet, but hopes. Local ones work or in the district center or on a rotational basis, in the North, in Moscow ... Work on the spot, for the salary of the middle class 17, no one wants to do it .. Under the totalitarian regime, it was a state-owned millionaire. This is, by the way, for comparison.
  • New Year day 27 June 2020 15: 53 New
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    You can compare with millions of cars, tons of steel, centners of sausage. And you can compare the condition of a person, confidence in tomorrow, calm for their children and the elderly. It can not be counted as cars, steel, cast iron.
    There was confidence in the future, which is hard to find today.
    1. Sergey Valov 27 June 2020 16: 54 New
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      There was confidence, but the same lack of prospects. It was extremely difficult to make a career in the USSR without acquaintances or bribes (I mean about 60-80 years. I have never lived before).
      1. Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 29 New
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        Exactly, can you tell me what kind of bribe our cosmonauts gave, and Chernomyrdin from locksmiths became the prime minister, and our famous artists Tabakov, Ulyanov and others all for a bribe, and all the famous designers, doctors also gave bribes? Enough of flogging crap, you had to have brains, talent and plow 24 hours a day.
        1. Sergey Valov 27 June 2020 19: 05 New
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          But the actors you remembered in vain. Inside this fraternity, such passions were seething that Shakespeare was resting. And far from the best were beaten out into people, and talents were spread over how much in vain. And bribes there in a different way, often, were given by creative people, you know. And about politicians, too, it is not necessary - to what extent did their USSR professionalism bring to mind? How famous designers drowned each other, how far from the best products you pushed into a series, of course, you have not heard. How defended dissertations and organized research work you certainly (here without irony) is not known. Regarding the astronauts, it’s not so simple either - Savitskaya, she’s not the same name.
          1. Ros 56 28 June 2020 06: 36 New
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            The family is not without a freak, but be careful about Savitskaya, dad was not the kind of person you are talking about, he is a front-line fighter and knew how flights sometimes end, and even more so into space.
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        It was extremely difficult to make a career in the USSR without acquaintances or bribes (I mean about 60-80 years. I have never lived before).

        And without dating now?
        1. Sergey Valov 27 June 2020 21: 35 New
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          Dating has always been easier. Now they rule money and incompetence is flourishing. It’s easier for a smart person now than under the USSR.
          1. Skarpzd 28 June 2020 13: 41 New
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            it’s not because the people threw a breakthrough to the west. and something tells me - not all of them are fools. oh, not all unfortunately.
    2. Skarpzd 28 June 2020 13: 39 New
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      Silvestr (Sylvester) There was confidence in tomorrow, which is difficult to find today.

      here !!! better not to formulate perhaps.
  • businessv 27 June 2020 15: 58 New
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    ... the debt load of the population does not add gloss to the modern Russian economy.
    Gloss ?! For gloss, you need at least an economy! The author forgot the main thing - to indicate the number of industries and their affiliation today, to compare the production of means of production, sorry for the tautology, to compare the production of agricultural machinery, but about the development of mortgages, it’s a masterpiece! A comparison of government spending on social services would have been located in an inaccessible sector.
    Inflation, periodic ruble collapses, dependence on the export of natural resources, flagrant social inequality, the withdrawal of huge funds abroad
    This alone gives reason to stop any comparison of socialist and capitalist Russia, in view of the apparent loss of the latter!
    1. Ronald Reagan 27 June 2020 16: 12 New
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      This alone gives reason to stop any comparison of socialist and capitalist Russia, in view of the apparent loss of the latter!

      Do not escalate. Who does not work shall not eat.
      1. businessv 27 June 2020 16: 17 New
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        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        Who does not work shall not eat.

        Socialist saying, Mr. Reagan! I’m not sliding up to pumping, there’s no need, because everything is on the surface. You can not compare the two systems, in this many dissertations defended that can not be counted! It’s just that you don’t need to push in the non-editable - it’s not constructive! smile
        1. Ronald Reagan 27 June 2020 16: 42 New
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          Why compare if life has shown that left-wing ideas are good for the time being. Now, in a society free from slavery, they simply are not necessary, since no one restricts a person.
          1. Karabin 27 June 2020 20: 20 New
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            Quote: Ronald Reagan
            Now, in a society free from slavery

            laughing laughing laughing
          2. Alf
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            Quote: Ronald Reagan
            since no one restricts a person.

            If you die of hunger, this is only your problem.
            1. mat-vey 28 June 2020 05: 42 New
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              Quote: Alf
              Quote: Ronald Reagan
              since no one restricts a person.

              If you die of hunger, this is only your problem.

              This is until the first serious war ... And then it turns out that the soldiers are needed and the hero of capitalist labor ... The people must protect from adversary everything that was stolen from this people.
          3. businessv 27 June 2020 21: 41 New
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            no one limits a person.

            What should it be limited to? Is it possible to steal! Now, if this is put under tight control, life would be more fun. I don’t know to whom life has shown that leftist ideas are bad, but I think that 95% of our compatriots disagree with you, and I think the Finns and Swedes too! They have just these ideas in great honor!
            1. Ronald Reagan 29 June 2020 10: 49 New
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              For most, leftist ideas are all free and no responsibility for themselves and others. People forget that capitalists pays for all the joys of life, even with those crazy taxes like the Finns and Swedes.
  • Senior seaman 27 June 2020 16: 14 New
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    Grain harvest: the RSFSR in 1987 - 109 million tons per year, Russia in 2019 - 120 million tons.

    Here it would be good to understand what class of wheat we are growing. I somehow tried to delve into it, and it turned out that we grow about the same amount of food wheat as in the USSR (I’m sorry, I just don’t remember the numbers), and the increase came out exclusively for feed varieties. But ... in the USSR, high-quality grain was bought abroad, which was mixed with ours in the production of flour, thereby obtaining a better product. And in the Russian Federation they simply allowed flour from low-grade grain to bake bread. That is, if there are achievements, it’s rather dubious.
    1. mat-vey 28 June 2020 05: 38 New
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      In the USSR, at least Ukraine and Kazakhstan “produced” grain. So why did the RSFSR strain on this issue?
  • orcinus 27 June 2020 16: 40 New
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    Let's compare the aircraft industry!) Here was the Saratov aircraft factory in 1989, but it is not in 2019)
    1. Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 21 New
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      And we had a hitch. The nickel plant, the largest meat processing plant in the Union, a huge Swiss factory, a huge knitwear factory, YuUMZ breathes incense, I’m silent about the rest for a long time, and in Orenburg a mighty silk factory was covered with a copper basin.
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        Miratorg launches the largest in Europe robotic meat processing plant with a productivity of 500000 tons per year for 4800 workers in the Kursk region - they are opening you in other places.
  • Brigadier 27 June 2020 16: 43 New
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    Life has become better, more fun!
    The neck has become thinner, but longer!


    Thanks to Mr. Putin for our happy today ...
    1. hhhhhhh 27 June 2020 16: 56 New
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      You might think that you fought on the barricades with the system for 30 years. We all had a hand.
  • hhhhhhh 27 June 2020 16: 55 New
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    The saddest killed from the USSR. Pioneer camps. In their place, at best, cottage villages or recreational facilities for Muscovites. Usually it's abandoned.
    Without camps, all the children in the city die under the wheels of cars.
    The elders found more camps, annually, but somewhere after 2004 the remains were closed, they remained a couple in the region for the poor.
    The younger one has nowhere to go.
    1. Grandfather 27 June 2020 17: 51 New
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      The saddest killed from the USSR. Pioneer camps. In their place, at best, cottage villages or recreational facilities for Muscovites. Usually it's abandoned.

      THREE Camps have disappeared from us ... however, along with their production. Chem plant, Fur plant, Nickel plant ... everything is irretrievably destroyed.
  • FIR FIR 27 June 2020 17: 11 New
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    Seriously comparing the economic successes of the RSFSR and modern Russia, anyway, is that comparing the living conditions of the ancient Romans and medieval Europeans ... Gunpowder appeared, but they stopped washing and the sewage system disappeared.
    But let's turn to the numbers. Grain harvest: RSFSR 1987 - 109 million tons per year, Russia 2019 - 120 million tons

    And what did the author of "John Deere" in 2019 not compare with the "Niva" of the 80s? All this is ridiculous, right ....
    1. mat-vey 28 June 2020 05: 34 New
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      About grain, in general, it’s very interesting - except that under the USSR, the RSFSR was the so-called “granary” of other republics. How can you compare something without taking into account the former union integration and division of production by republics. Let cotton production compare ...
  • srha 27 June 2020 17: 12 New
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    The analysis is superficial.
    Health and education are not affected at all. The middle tenth grader of 1979 is qualitatively superior in education to the current eleventh grader: who does not believe - take the textbooks of those times and solve their problems. A worse educated person and works, I will write softly, less productively.
    For agricultural, I’ll assume this: compare the weather of April 1979 (http://thermo.karelia.ru/weather/w_history.php?town=ufa&month=4&year=1979) and April 2020 (https: //www.gismeteo .ru / diary / 4588/2020/4 /) in Ufa. You may notice that over 40 years of agricultural warming in Bashkiria, it received almost a month and a half (autumn also became warmer) months of additional time for grain ripening. And the merits of Russia's agricultural industry in climate warming, i.e. increased conditions for ripening cereals do not see.
    1. Vadim237 28 June 2020 01: 09 New
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      Now sown area is less by 371000 square kilometers than the RSFSR had.
    2. Sergej1972 28 June 2020 22: 53 New
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      Now the textbooks are more complicated. Although the history of the Middle Ages, for example, is studied according to the same textbook as 40-50 years ago. He's just really good.
      1. srha 30 June 2020 12: 00 New
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        I did not offer to compare textbooks, but solve problems. In other words, test skills, not databases. But in the history books there are no problems. By the way, if you did not compare the complexity of the tasks (for example, out of 20 random tasks, the score you solved was 5:15), i.e. didn’t solve the problem, what are your comparison criteria, what turned out to be “more complicated” - the volume of pages, the catchiness of the text, or something else?
  • Ros 56 27 June 2020 17: 15 New
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    And the author of whom he meant, simple hard workers or an administrative class. I bring to the attention that the latter have always lived better than hard workers.
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      that the latter have always lived better than hard workers.

      And everywhere ..
  • _Ugene_ 27 June 2020 17: 29 New
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    modern Russia is clearly lagging behind in the production of electronic equipment designed for mass consumption
    behind? it was the USSR 20 years behind, but we simply do not have such a production, not at all
  • apro 27 June 2020 17: 37 New
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    But actually, why compare? To show the advantages of today's capitalist Russia over the bloody USSR? Or that the USSR was of the wrong kind? The USSR was destroyed. To the hands of its own citizens. Party members. And this sad result says that it is not perfect. Not perfect public relations. lapses in the development of Soviet man ...
    Compare tons.meters.kilometers.pieces? Today everything is different ... but I consider one parameter to be the main ... population growth.
  • dgonni 27 June 2020 17: 39 New
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    The author is certainly handsome. The same thing is necessary to beat statistics so that would not be yours and ours. But like now, Wow, how we live!
    For meat did not mention volumes. And correctly, the comparison is not very flattering to the present, and if you also turn on the guests, it will be complete seams.
    He beautifully painted everything for the harvest of grain. Pride rises for the country. The only question is that everything is grown on agricultural chemistry and seed material from there from behind a hillock. However, it is still plowed sown and harvested on imported equipment. While with the union, all this was his own.
    And if at one moment the West imposes an embargo on the supply of rough material and further on the list. That hunger will be provided with a high degree of probability.
    With regard to cars, the author dodged again as Mikoyan ran between the raindrops. What cars? Cars? So yes! And where did the trucks go and why did the author not compare their production?
    For aviation, we just keep silent as well as for microelectronics.
    In general, by smoothing the corners, the author did not succeed in showing the thread progress.
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 18: 27 New
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      Corn? In the Union? His? But what about the "ear of America", the huge import of grain from Canada and the USA? In addition, beef from Argentina, New Zealand and Australian sheep? And other things.
      1. dgonni 27 June 2020 20: 50 New
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        I will not say for beef from Argentina. Like for Australian rams. And the grain did come from the states and Canada. The problem with the union was that in most cases it was only suitable for fodder. Where it basically went. Therefore, the author did not mention the USSR for meat products.
        And the imported grain went to bread.
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          Meat Indicators
    2. Alexy 28 June 2020 22: 44 New
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      Yes, everything was different. That's just in stores there was no fucking. In Crimea, for example, there were several poultry farms, but there were no chickens on sale. Each city has its own bakery, meat factory, dairy, all this worked. And there was nothing in the stores.
      Question: where did everything go?
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        How to where - sent to help fraternal regimes in 120 countries for loyalty and coconuts for 30 years.
  • imobile2008 27 June 2020 18: 37 New
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    what we got

    We? It is very interesting that "we" acquired after privatization especially ...

    500 days why not accepted? they would distribute plants to people as bequeathed, Lenin, but then he deceived everyone. And so they came up with a gradual distribution to the oligarchs
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 June 2020 21: 19 New
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      Because in 500 days it is impossible to rebuild the economy - this is utopia. China began to move away from socialism in the late 70s. The result began to affect only after 30 years.
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      500 days why not accepted?

      Tale-delirium from Yavlinsky.
  • depressant 27 June 2020 18: 58 New
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    There is food abundance, there is no food security.
    I explain. If you remove everything produced outside the borders of this country from the shelves of grocery stores in Germany, then the shelves will be empty - globalization within the European Union, international division of labor. This is not so with us. Products will remain. Well, some avocados will disappear, so for a hundred years poppy did not give birth, and there was no hunger. But if we block the entry into our country of imported seed material, then the store shelves will also, although not immediately, but empty within a year - that’s where the trouble is! Despite the "tremendous efforts" made by the resigned Medvedev government, the situation with seed in our country balances at the level of disaster. We are still 75% dependent on the supply of foreign seeds. And this is not the case when we can say that, they say, we, like Germany, are in the system of the global division of labor. So yes not so. The division is global, and there will be nothing personally if the West imposes sanctions on the supply of seeds for some reason.
    In the USSR, great importance was attached to seed farms. Grandfather Michurin and all that. Medvedev came to his senses only in 2011. By 2020, it was planned to create 148 seed farms. Something has been created, but 75% of the procurement of imported seeds indicates that, God forbid, 25% of the planned. Last year, absolute zero was allocated to seed production. And where is the legislation governing this type of activity? The State Duma, not sparing its stomach, day and night at the present moment in time feverishly shovels all existing laws for their use as a whip for driving all of us into electronic slavery, and laws that favor the development of seed production have not been created. And this, colleagues, is the country's food security. Remember how the USSR fell. Artificially created hunger.
    Duma, immediately change your mind! Do useful business! If at all capable of this. Which is doubtful.
    1. Harry cuper 27 June 2020 19: 52 New
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      Who, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, are these? These will be engaged in affairs useful for the country ?! Yes, soon the cancer on the mountain will whistle
      1. depressant 27 June 2020 21: 14 New
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        Here I am about the same. The Duma is an instrument in the hands of the president, and his advisers are crafty, both ours and yours. Putin is not Stalin. He saw a lot, this one does not see. In any case, wanting to maintain power, he does not understand that he can simply lose it - destabilizing agricultural production and logistics. It seems, how can one create a situation of hunger in Russia under capitalism that will blow Putin away from the presidency? Yes elementary! Last year, we here at the HE several times already investigated the problem of the country's food security. And what turned out? Our peasants plow the land, seeds - import, processing of their products is carried out entirely by foreigners. The vast majority of our food brands are bought by Americans, Dutch, and others, whatever food products you take from the store shelf. They produce it at their enterprises located on our land, by the hands of our workers, sell it in retail chains with our names, but the retail chains also belong mainly to foreigners. And if it goes far as it went with SP-2, the same USA will announce sanctions for the supply of seeds to the Russian Federation, for the activities of processing and trading enterprises, and this, responding to the sharp rise in prices in the remaining small shops, as well as the hunger of the bulk of the population, will the swift end of Putin’s power. I do not care who will be there instead of him, but do not care about the situation - I will have to live in it. He does not think about it, it seems to him that, making curtsies towards the West, bending under the IMF, he is useful and pleasant to that West. Until. They just endure. It will be necessary to technically crush through food, as was the case with the USSR. Nutrition is the cornerstone of any power. The people can forgive much to the ruler. Hunger never.
  • Junior Warrant Officer 27 June 2020 19: 07 New
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    In the days of the USSR, I did not have a smartphone and Internet access, now I have it! Now I can watch porn online, and in the USSR I just contemplated a calendar with Japanese women on the toilet door!
  • Harry cuper 27 June 2020 19: 49 New
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    The author could refer to the number of cattle, in the RSFSR it was three times more than now. Only the sense of all this abundance, when literally everything had to be "got out." And the fact that it was not necessary to “get out” was not just to buy for money, but to get it! - had a disgusting quality. I perfectly remember shoes, clothes - deposits in the Central Department Store, which no one wanted to wear. And for a simple person, life is not easy now. And not only in Russia. You will not believe it, gentlemen, comrades, but the life of a simple person is not easy everywhere! Even in quite a developed country in Europe.
    1. Mordvin 3 27 June 2020 22: 04 New
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      Quote: Harry Cuper
      The author could refer to the number of cattle, in the RSFSR it was three times more than now. Only the sense of all this abundance, when literally everything had to be "got out."

      We would go to the market and buy without getting it.
  • faterdom 27 June 2020 21: 18 New
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    The endless debate between "blunt" and "pointed" ...
    "It would be nice if he brought the entire fleet of Blefuskians!"
    There is no truth in the statement that “then everything was bad and now it is brilliant!”, As well as in the opposite.
    There were fantastic achievements in the USSR (a sharp breakthrough in education, the creation of a large galaxy of scientific schools, industrialization, the restoration of post-war life in all aspects). There were shoals, especially noticeable ones - excesses during collectivization, Lysenkoism, Khrushchev's deeds - generally a song!
    After all, it was he who destroyed the private farmstead and cooperatives - something that could itself, without the "role of the party", decide the food program and grow a flexible light industry.
    But when they again returned to the topic of private ownership of the means of production, they grabbed oil (unprofitable ???), coal, aluminum, rare earths, they still wanted gas and rail (they still dug with a quiet glade or want to steal it). But in the 90s, the unlocked liberals kept the village low orders by order, which finally killed him, and the current agro-industry giants no longer sat down, this is a sweatshop system, a conveyor belt with workers and merciless exploitation of the land. Has anyone thought how many last year our "new farmers" stole bee colonies with their spontaneous application of pesticides without warning? Or does someone think that if there are no bees, and there are American tractors, can we grow food? Unless cones of coniferous plants are gymnosperms, all angiosperms (flowering) plants need bees.
    In short, in the 90s, it was valiantly uncovered that they should have remained state-owned, that they couldn’t - they ditched for various reasons (and it’s not always that galoshes production - Rutskoi loves to recall how he almost accidentally saved the Sushek aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Moscow decided to close it, workers complained to him during the visit - he convinced Yeltsin to cancel this decision).
    But they strangled and strangled what could be private - for decades I traveled through Danilov, famous for its pies and cucumbers (there even the dogs knew the train schedules to successfully beg) - they defeated, dispersed the grandmothers. And let the “Magnet” go to whom cucumbers! Do not want to “Magnet” - in front of him there is always “Pyaterochka”!
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