"Shell-C1" will take part in the battle for Sirte


In Libya, at any time, a decisive battle for the city of Sirte can begin between the forces of Marshal Haftar and the PNS (Government of National Accord). Haftar is strengthening its position and preparing to defend itself, while the PNS is preparing an offensive.


Aviation The PNS, represented by the Turkish drones Bayraktar TB2, is actively involved in the preparation of the offensive, including by striking at Al Jafra Air Base.

Earlier, Haftar aviation in early June managed to stop the advance of PNS forces in central Libya, but with the arrival of additional Turkish air defense systems and UAVs, the situation began to change. Direct Turkish intervention and the sending of F-16s to Libya are not ruled out.

In this regard, it is not surprising that information appeared that Haftar had pulled a large number of Shell-S1 air defense systems to Sirt. Today appeared rumor-proof video, which shows two air defense systems on trailers heading towards the front line.

It is curious that these machines cannot be from a batch ordered by the UAE: the chassis is KamAZ, and not MAN. The shells at KamAZ trucks were also exported, so the origin of this equipment is difficult to determine. Earlier in Libya, only MAN air defense systems were seen, and KAMAZ was shot only once.

In the video on one of the air defense systems, a radar is operating during transportation. Even in the deep rear, at a distance of almost 400 km from Sirte, the personnel do not relax.

Everything suggests that the next round of confrontation between Turkish UAVs and Russian air defense systems will soon take place in central Libya.
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  1. If I am not mistaken, on the basis of KAMAZ does not have the ability to fire on the go? Therefore, they will be used only as stationary, periodically changing firing positions, points?
    1. Siberian 66 28 June 2020 07: 09 New
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p2z5CXliZk на 0:58 в роде как с ходу ракетой работает. Ходили разговоры, что научат его так работать. В базовой версии он так не мог.
    2. Demagogue 28 June 2020 07: 30 New
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      stationary, periodically changing firing positions, points

      Probably yes. Constantly moving an air defense system in an open area means giving drones a chance to detect it.
      1. Insurgent 28 June 2020 08: 07 New
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        "Shell-C1" will take part in the battle for Sirte

        To know what modification what .
        The definition "on the KAMAZ chassis" does not give an idea of ​​the characteristics and capabilities, and therefore, the prospects for use are difficult to assess.

        But, in any case, the calculations ZRAK - "Break a leg", in the hunt for birds of prey ...
      2. Alexander Samoilov 28 June 2020 08: 33 New
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        Yes. But moving TB2 can work with only 8 km. At such a distance, you can only approach the disarmed S-1.
        1. Demagogue 28 June 2020 08: 46 New
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          And who said that they will generally work now on the Shells? And not how in the battle of Tripoli they will smash the whole front to Haftar, and then finish off the air defense when the retreat begins?
          1. Alexander Samoilov 1 July 2020 10: 22 New
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            Even if they operate along the front line of 8 km, the air defense systems located 5-7 km behind it will easily destroy them.
    3. Alexander Samoilov 28 June 2020 08: 29 New
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      The base does not matter. It depends on the modification. All types with radar can work on the go. Only with OLS are truly effective, only on a fixed one.
      1. Demagogue 28 June 2020 08: 49 New
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        But what can the truck roll over when shooting due to the high center of gravity is nothing?
        1. Alexander Samoilov 1 July 2020 10: 27 New
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          2A38 30-tonne machine is definitely not upside down. But missiles are dynamo-reactive weapons and have no recoil.
    4. Civil 28 June 2020 09: 04 New
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      I hope the operators - the Arabs will be, not vacationers.
  2. Siberian 66 28 June 2020 06: 58 New
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    Infa went about the transfer to Libya as many as 11 complexes. The most interesting is where they got the trained calculations. It is no less interesting by what means RER and EW will provide work. Otherwise, the "Shell" will be useless
    1. Demagogue 28 June 2020 07: 36 New
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      Judging by the radar operating during transportation in the deep rear, people have been there.

      EW against modern drones is ineffective. Haftar has some ground stations. The Belarusian Thunderstorm seems to be. But how can you stop her from айs Bayraktara detecting the Shell? They can still detect and crush the enemy radar, but there are no serious UAVs to fight with the military.
      There was talk that they would teach him how to work like that.

      They went, but whether these specific machines can do so is unknown.
      1. Siberian 66 28 June 2020 07: 44 New
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        EW can do a lot of things) and Bayraktar is not a self-sufficient wunderwafer. Communication and control lines, command centers, radar, avionics of everything that flies and moves on the earth - what is the purpose for electronic warfare?
        1. Demagogue 28 June 2020 08: 07 New
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          EW can do a lot of things) and Bayraktar is not a self-sufficient wunderwafer.

          Not self-sufficient, but, like all modern UAVs, it is well protected from the effects of electronic warfare. If it were otherwise, then there would simply be no sense in such UAVs.
        2. Outsider 28 June 2020 08: 51 New
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          - And if the control is carried out through a satellite, antenna pointing upwards? And your EW station - on earth ?! And his command center - for 500 km, under the radio horizon? Everything, there is no way to suppress it ... sad
          1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 08 New
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            Quote: Outsider
            satellite antenna pointing up
            Why so hard? Normal radio control is not suppress. With multiple backup channels. Spray UAV to change course to find a stable signal. And the very source of "suppression" is destroyed easily and naturally.
            1. Outsider 28 June 2020 11: 14 New
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              “Even the little American Predator had TWO satellite dishes.” In an era when a satellite phone can be carried in your pocket, this is not a luxury at all, but a guarantee of the noise immunity of your UAV.
              1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 23 New
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                What am I against?) I want to say that the importance and capabilities of electronic warfare in the Russian segment of the Internet are greatly exaggerated and turned into something magical, which has nothing to do with reality.
                1. Outsider 28 June 2020 11: 24 New
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                  - Big boys should not believe in fairy tales ...
              2. Sanichsan 29 June 2020 16: 23 New
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                Quote: Outsider
                In an era when a satellite phone can be carried in your pocket, this is not a luxury at all, but a guarantee of the noise immunity of your UAV.

                hmmm .. the phone can be carried in your pocket and a communication jammer that cuts down communication within a radius of 10-20 meters in the form factor of a pack of cigarettes also fits in your pocket ...
                What conclusions can be drawn from this?
      2. Alexander Samoilov 28 June 2020 08: 40 New
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        Quote: Demagogue
        EW against modern drones is ineffective.

        Modern EW can easily cope with both control channels and weak UAV radars. Confirmation of this is the repeated forced landing of the latest American MALE Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and even Iran, much more perfect than the Turkish.
        1. Demagogue 28 June 2020 08: 45 New
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          Well, there would be links to the studio right away.

          Iran extreme times for some reason from its counterpart Buka shot at UAVs))
          1. Sanichsan 29 June 2020 16: 28 New
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            Quote: Demagogue
            Well, there would be links to the studio right away.

            https://iz.ru/849001/2019-02-22/iran-vzlomal-sistemy-kontrolia-amerikanskogo-bespilotnika
            Quote: Demagogue
            Iran extreme times for some reason from its counterpart Buka shot at UAVs))

            I didn’t shoot the last time. article for 2019, as it were ... soldier
            1. Demagogue 29 June 2020 17: 14 New
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              Well, an article in Izvestia is good, but in fact it is not known why it fell. This happened in 2016, and not in 2019, moreover, when the Iranians actually shot down rq-4 with their “beech”. The official version is operator error. There is no certainty that he was put directly. But this is not important. American UAVs fly along the Iranian border every single day and more than once. Fly in Iraq and Syria over the Iranians. Once the ancient version of the UAV in 2011 was really dropped. If in 2016 there was a second case, great. But is it not enough for 10 years? If so, let them drop something right now))
              1. Sanichsan 29 June 2020 17: 30 New
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                knock down of course more. all the same, electronic warfare is exotic and high-tech which only serious states have in adequate form. UAVs are not used against serious powers .. yet wink there are cases in Iraq, in Iran, but I agree that this is particular.
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                If so, let them drop something right now))

                so on the way to Hmeimim regularly drop! bully Of course, these are crafts made of sticks and plastic, but the Turks won’t go there .. and the Jews, too ... check it out request
                and missiles out there any number! Yemen alone did what statistics on the Saudis did! again, the Syrians claim that 14 shot ...
                1. Demagogue 29 June 2020 17: 39 New
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                  Iran has electronic warfare quite at the level. And it really works for some tasks. This is not exotic. But UAVs cannot intercept the modern one. Jam signals yes. But here it must be borne in mind that UAVs can sigint and there is a chance to detect the station position. Such chess is played in modern eb.
                  Beech, in any case, is more accurate)) A UAV and just like that fall, like planes, and not rarely. But as a tool to get a video stream of enemy territory 24/7, they are great. And for this they can all be forgiven.
                  1. Sanichsan 29 June 2020 23: 59 New
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                    Quote: Demagogue
                    Iran has electronic warfare quite at the level.

                    Yes. at the level. approximately at the level of the USSR of the 80-90s when actually from the USSR they received their air defense and electronic warfare wink maybe not so categorically, but very close ... request this is still the last century adapted to the technical level of Iran's production.
                    Quote: Demagogue
                    Beech in any case rather))
                    if we talk about Libya, I completely agree with you. EW of that level so that it is more convenient than the Buk will not give them. not only by Beech, but by Carapace wink
                    Quote: Demagogue
                    And UAVs just fall like planes, and not rarely.

                    "right now, a ship is sinking somewhere. Do you know why? because the ships are too fucked up in the world!" Grishkovets (s) laughing but this is not about drone drone. it's still almost a piece of goods. there are thousands of planes, and not all have dozens of these.
                    Quote: Demagogue
                    But as a tool to get a video stream of enemy territory 24/7, they are great.

                    not everything is so simple .. if we are talking about Papuans who do not have air defense then yes, but if the opponent has experience in creating a layered air defense structure and of course the air defense systems themselves then you can’t hang on top of them. good example Iran. even the USA at the border can fly, but if they cross the air border they get a rocket.
                    By the way, the fact that in Russia they focus specifically on reconnaissance UAVs, and not on strike ones, is interesting.
                    1. Demagogue 30 June 2020 06: 50 New
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                      Yes. at the level. approximately at the level of the USSR of the 80-90s when actually from the USSR they received their air defense and electronic warfare

                      If they remained at that level, then this is the 60th. The USSR in electronics was 20 years behind the leaders then. Today we have the level of the USA 80s. We hardly make the first primitive radars with afar.

                      As for the Papuans and air defense, the nonsense is complete. UAVs are dangerous for any enemy today. The United States takes this threat very seriously, by the way, with its technological level. Open any modern book on EW, the same Martino De Martino and enlighten.
                      1. Sanichsan 30 June 2020 13: 19 New
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                        Quote: Demagogue
                        If they remained at that level, then this is the 60th. The USSR in electronics was 20 years behind the leaders then. Today we have the level of the USA 80s. We hardly make the first primitive radars with afar.

                        Well, nonsense, why write? even the United States recognizes that in the area of ​​electronic warfare it is 10 years behind Russia. Again, AFAR differs from PFAR not only better, but different. in the field of PFAR, the US is how much behind Russia? 20? 40 years?
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        The United States takes this threat very seriously, by the way, with its technological level.

                        Well this is understandable. with their missile defense that still shoots barrels on a parachute and the Patriots who distinguished themselves at the refinery, of course they need to be afraid. when air defense and missile defense is just a brand, there is every reason for fear. with their technical level laughing
                        Of course, shock UAVs are a threat. it's still a weapon. but Russia has something to stop this threat, China most likely has, the United States is very bad at it.
                      2. Demagogue 30 June 2020 16: 28 New
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                        Well, nonsense, why write? even the United States recognizes that in the area of ​​electronic warfare it is 10 years behind Russia. Again, AFAR differs from PFAR not only better, but different. in the field of PFAR, the US is how much behind Russia? 20? 40 years?


                        You don’t even know how to comment.
                        1) According to electronic warfare - why not immediately for 50 years?))) Let's reference.
                        2) What can be the achievements in completely outdated PFAR technology? Without LPI mode and with single-beam scanning without noise immunity. Just for understanding: the US Air Force received a fighter with a digital radar in the mid-70s, and the Russian Air Force in 2012. Have you improved the PFAR well? Another 40 years and everything will work out? When a technique is evaluated, one must sort the propaganda from the facts. And the facts are, for example, whether the radar can be in tws, ram, nctr, acm, sagm / dbs, etc. In general, for general education I recommend reading serious literature, and not Soviet newspapers before meals.

                        According to the UAV, you simply did not fully understand what it was about. This is a necessary attribute for any modern army, like aviation. Neither aviation nor air defense UAVs can be suppressed. You can only limit the effectiveness of their work. In general, in a previous article, I dwell on this in detail. Repeat no sense.
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                      4. Demagogue 30 June 2020 17: 04 New
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                        1) By afar article is nonsense. Comments looked a couple of first and they are dumber than the article. What is an article about afar without lpi mode? Interference immunity is not reflected at all. Of course, all the fools in the world make afar, and we are smart with Pfar. This plate will spin until we start changing Pfar to Afar))
                        2) Air defense became our all due to the weakness of aviation and lag in this area. And this is a stupid policy to rivet air defense. It is necessary to develop aviation, which is the main means of warfare with the WWII. Air defense is a passive defense, which aviation will always lose. Aviation is a means of gaining initiative, and air defense is a “scum bastard,” as Peter 1 would say.
                      5. Sanichsan 30 June 2020 18: 15 New
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                        Quote: Demagogue
                        This plate will spin until we start changing Pfar to Afar))

                        building any equipment is a compromise. or a little AFAR or a lot of VLDF. in terms of characteristics, the difference is not at all as colossal as you depict here, but for the price yes, and the load is the cooling system for the AFAR.
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                        What is an article about afar without lpi mode?

                        the next vunderyafe in loading to a stealth which "nobody sees"? lol let's get a little more serious wink
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        Air defense became our all due to the weakness of aviation and lag in this area.

                        weaknesses? the fact that in an amount less than in NATO combined is yes, but about the weakness ... in Europe we are not even inferior in quantity yes Do you have bouts of self-abasement or do you live in the USA?
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                        And this is a stupid policy to rivet air defense.

                        Yeah. very. Here is the aircraft that could not stop even the Boeing crashed into skyscrapers and the Pentagon, this is power! yes! laughing
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                        Air defense is a passive defense, which aviation will always lose.

                        yes you! but during the Doomsday War, Egyptian troops successfully sent Israeli aircraft to the ground. whom to sit at the airfields, and whom at all. if it were not for the alternative giftedness of the Egyptian generals who opened the flanks, then everything could have turned differently, but the fact is that Israeli aviation dropped out of the event on the first day of acquaintance with mobile air defense.
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                        Aviation is a means of gaining initiative, and air defense is a “scum bastard,” as Peter 1 would say.

                        mdya .. you disappoint me ... aviation without air defense is as much damage as air defense without aviation. but the United States managed to make aviation with incapacitated air defense and this is their serious problem. yes aviation is a strike weapon, air defense to protect its strike potential.
                        By the way, who are you planning to attack with the help of aviation? and how to defend against cruise missiles without air defense and missile defense? or just shout "ahhh !!! they have tamahawks !!! rent out !!!" laughing
                      6. Demagogue 30 June 2020 19: 07 New
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                        You stubbornly do not want to see a large picture. Afar gives noise immunity plus a stealth mode. Scanning time is much higher than that of PFAR. Everything, finita, the enemy is better informed on the battlefield than you. He decides how and when to destroy you. May create a local superiority in forces. Everything you write about worked until the 70s. Then there was a breakthrough in the development of electronics and the scheme using a large number of low-tech weapons against a technologically superior opponent does not work. Absolutely.
                        And to give as an example the Arabs beaten-killed by Israel is generally naive.
                        You give me all the possible myths of Runet and apparently are a witness to tube electronics))) write nonsense about this stealth. In general, read what low visibility is. I give a hint: the lower the EPR, the easier it is to apply interference and interfere with the guidance of enemy missiles. And it’s more difficult for the GOS to cling to the plane. No invisibility is needed, only less noticeable than the enemy’s visibility is needed.
                        And whose cr do you want to intercept? American? This will not be, this is a nuclear war.
                        In general, read the literature, and not runet, and then, if there are questions, I will answer.
                      7. Sanichsan 30 June 2020 20: 04 New
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                        Quote: Demagogue
                        Afar gives noise immunity plus a stealth mode.

                        PFAR does not have interference immunity, in your opinion? laughing
                        stealth mode from NATO's same RWR ??? this is an achievement! I would even say victory! laughing the Germans and the French on a short leash .. the Turks have something to row about ...
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        And to give as an example the Arabs beaten-killed by Israel is generally naive.

                        an example of how beaten killed Arabs smashed ground-based air defense the best aviation in the region is it naive? well, OK. close your eyes and think that no one sees you, this is also an option, not very progressive but an option .. request
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        You give me all the possible myths of Runet and apparently are a witness to tube electronics))) write nonsense about this stealth.

                        OU. it looks like you are a stealth adept wassat
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        I give a hint: the lower the EPR, the easier it is to apply interference and interfere with the guidance of enemy missiles.

                        great! but you don’t believe all kinds of runet tales wink Please be a historical example of how stealth saved a plane from a rocket. or your arguments at the level of theoretical calculations based on articles by journalists writing about a reflecting surface of 0.001 meters? wassat
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                        And whose cr do you want to intercept? American? This will not be, this is a nuclear war.
                        great! and what will aviation do in this war? Do you need a lot of planes to try to stop the ICBM warheads? success laughing
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  • Alexander Samoilov 1 July 2020 09: 52 New
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    Please https://theaviationist.com/2011/12/15/gps-spoofing/ But this is not the whole joke. Iran, far from being a super-cyber power, needed only 2 years to decrypt data from its hard drive. https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/06/footage-sentinel/ Although before that, all cryptanalysts in the world unequivocally claimed that the so-called hack Public keys need dozens of years of supercomputers. Last year, the Reaper and the Gray Eagle were planted. True, for the first time, the Americans managed to destroy him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqsYDiOc9ms https://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/515211-rossiyskiy-reb-smog-posadit-amerikanskiy-dron-ne-povrediv-ego.html An American reconnaissance and strike MQ-5B was intercepted in Crimea. The car belongs to the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade, which was transferred from Bavaria to Ukrainian Kirovograd in early March 2014. The device, which was moving at a 4000-meter height and almost invisible from the ground, was able to detect the Avtobaz electronic warfare complex. His connection with the operator was severed, and the MQ-5B made an emergency landing, reaching the Crimeans almost intact. https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/stariy_khren/36132260/187402/187402_original.jpg Вообще, раз уж вы взялись за БПЛА, крайне рекомендую внимательно изучить следующий документ, особо обратив внимание на параграфы 3.1 и 3.3. https://info.publicintelligence.net/USAF-RemoteIrregularWarfare.pdf
  • Grazdanin 28 June 2020 10: 50 New
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    repeated forced landings of the latest American MALE


    Well, well, occurring once every few years, single UAVs. If at least 2 in a row are planted, then we can talk about the use of some kind of electronic warfare. And so several UAVs simply fell due to technical problems or operator errors. I think half of TB2 is lost because of them.
  • Tatyana Sementsova 28 June 2020 08: 09 New
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    Hmm ..... It will be either a chic advertisement for the Shell, or anti-advertising due to inept actions of the personnel and improper use of weapons .... Then the Turks will begin to praise their drones as the destroyer of the Shell.
    1. NDR-791 28 June 2020 08: 59 New
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      Yes. It depends on the results. Maybe they will order the Shell also to the S-400. I hope this time the calculations are "correct" in the cars.
      1. Tatyana Sementsova 28 June 2020 10: 19 New
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        Turkey will tear its lower back so as not to face its faces in front of the Shells ...... Calculations must pass exams in Russia, including on proper integration into the air defense system.
        Well, I think so! winked
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      They have already boasted of the same. This is the past stage.
  • cniza 28 June 2020 08: 17 New
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    Everything suggests that the next round of confrontation between Turkish UAVs and Russian air defense systems will soon take place in central Libya.


    Technique is good, but the quality of trained operators is fundamental.
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    - “Shell” is not enough for complete happiness, just a few things:
    1. Normal radar target detection - up to the smallest and most inconspicuous, such as: https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2084-mmr
    2. Normal firing radar on the “Shell” itself, with the ability to perform target tracking and firing at an elevation of up to 90 °, so that there are no “dead zones” like the Aegis air defense system.
    3. Normal GOS for missiles, active millimeter-wave radars, as is now accepted, and even better, combined: AR GOS + thermal imaging GOS "in one bottle", like the SAM of the Sling of David: https: //en.wikipedia. org / wiki / David% 27s_Sling
    Otherwise, after such "commercials" even the Papuans will not take it:

    1. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 09: 00 New
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      Why. This is the Arabs. And everyone has smartphones. Two months have passed and not a single photo confirmation of the burned and damaged Libyan armor has ever been. Exactly two - one was captured and taken out, the second was hit in the hangar. And it’s already getting ridiculous - there are cartoons, but there were still no photographs of the victims of the fire. What about Ukrainians? "And then my batteries in my smartphone are dead" !!

      Quote: Outsider
      Normal GOS for missiles - active millimeter-wave radar, as is now accepted, and even better - combined: GOS AR + thermal imaging GOS "in one bottle"


      This is not the right solution for short-range air defense systems because it will blow the price to heaven for SAM.
      1. Outsider 28 June 2020 11: 10 New
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        - One of two things: either reliably hit targets, or save money. There is no third.
        1. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 11: 58 New
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          No not like this. Trite, we will have many goals in the near zone. We need a lot of missiles. They should cost at a minimum. SAMs with a radio command guidance system for missiles at ranges up to 10-12 km demonstrate high efficiency. There is also a minus - a limited number of targeted channels. It is necessary to reduce the channel busy time by increasing the speed of missiles. SAM from Thor with its bells and whistles such as vertical launch is already more expensive than Pantsyrevskaya every two, two and a half., And a missile with ARGSN every 5-10. I found the price of the Pantsyr and Thor missiles, how much they cost 9M96, but I heard the price of our rocket with ARGSN. Something like this will come out ...
    2. Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 09: 08 New
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      Papuans don’t have enough coconuts to pay for missiles with GOS! (Moreover, the rumor was that coconuts were cheaper for some time!) ... But for the rest, I support your opinion, for a long time, I have been speaking out for zuras with GOS for ,, Carapace ,,! But I’m not speaking out, freaking out, but at. ,, in the spirit ,, of Kartsev’s pop art with its crayfish! (Remember? Yesterday, crayfish of 5 r. And large ... and today, 3 crayfish, but small!) There are zuras, “telecontrolled”, so let them go! But with improvement. ,, weapons ,,, we should expect the appearance of dawns with gos! So that there were ,, crayfish ,,, although small, but 3 rubles ... and ,, large crayfish, 5 re ....
    3. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 10: 55 New
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      It is generally strange to me that the Shells are considered as a means of combating UAVs of the MALE class. It is created for other purposes and tasks.
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      D16 28 June 2020 11: 28 New
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      Normal radar target detection - up to the smallest and most inconspicuous,

      The carapace is being modernized. Rolled out SM with a new survey and firing radar.
      the ability to perform target tracking and firing at an elevation of up to 90 °, so that there are no "dead zones", like the Aegis air defense system.

      This problem is solved by the competent use of SPRAK as part of the unit. A single complex is still not a tenant.
      GOS for missiles - active radar millimeter-wave range, as is now accepted, and even better - combined: GOS AR + thermal imaging GOS "in one bottle", as in the SAM of the David Sling:

      The shell is built according to a fundamentally different scheme. Let the Jews knock down water pipes with such missiles laughing .
  • Zaurbek 28 June 2020 08: 19 New
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    Without the involvement of the MiG29 and Su24, it is unlikely that something will happen.
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    At least give the Arabs no sense.
  • Nikolaevich I 28 June 2020 10: 05 New
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    SAM, "Shell-C1", - this is one! Whatever it was ("this and that" ... but it is now necessary to improve it! As they say, "Shell-SM" is intended (so far! ...) exclusively for the Russian Armed Forces! But, intelligence reported exactly, that there is already a complex, Pantsir-C1M, with hypersonic zuras with a range of up to 30 km ... Most likely, it will go, first of all, for export ... Unfortunately, conclusions on ,, Shell-S1M ,, to do ,, early ,, (!) ... not enough information! Participating in disputes: ,, what’s better ?, TOR ,, or ,, Shell, ,,? ... sometimes I want to exclaim ...: ,, Oh well, all in trouble! Where did you go, Morphine ,,? I mean ,, Morpheus ,,! ADMS ,, Morpheus ,, can become a complex in which you can try to reduce, to zero, , the minuses inherent in both, the “TOP”, and the ,, Shell ,,,, and ,, leave ,, for more ,, pluses!
  • parusnik 28 June 2020 10: 05 New
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    And who will be the operators? Li-Si-Qing, Ga-Li-Ina, etc., or someone else?
    1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 29 New
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      No, of course, the same "Arabs" who liberated Palmyra and the floor of Syria.
  • alone 28 June 2020 10: 53 New
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    The Turks first raise a high-altitude BLPA, which suppresses the entire entire area of ​​the database, and then TV2 and other drones launch a mass attack .. "Roy BLPA .. .. In this situation, one SAM can not do anything .. it will hit one or two .. there are thirty of them .. In addition to TV 2 there is a massive use of kamikaze drones .. I'm not talking about ANKA-S yet
    1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: lonely
      raise high-altitude blpa


      Yeah, which they do not have in service.
      1. alone 28 June 2020 11: 29 New
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        Quote: Grazdanin
        Yeah, which they do not have in service.

        Who told you that? Israeli and American BLPAs were in service with the Turkish Armed Forces before they began to produce their own .. They are certainly not shock, but are carriers of EW containers .. So, learn the materiel
        1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 32 New
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          High-altitude is above 10-12 km. Akinchi has not yet been adopted. The Turks so far have only medium-high UAVs
          1. alone 28 June 2020 11: 40 New
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            Quote: Grazdanin
            High-altitude is above 10-12 km. Akinchi has not yet been adopted. The Turks so far have only medium-high UAVs

            The Turks are armed with at least 4-5 MQ-9Reaper, which have a practical ceiling of 13000 meters ..
            So to say that they are not, is not worth it
            1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 11: 45 New
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              As far as I remember, Congress refused to supply this UAV. Proofs please.
              1. alone 28 June 2020 11: 56 New
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                Quote: Grazdanin
                As far as I remember, Congress refused to supply this UAV. Proofs please.

                The first 4 BLPAs of a non-strike variant (Al-Tahir designation) entered service 10 years ago .. Congress refused to sell the strike variant .. All Turkish medium-strike BLPAs were developed on the basis of the mq-9 and Israeli “Girona", which the Turks have 9 pcs (Also unstressed options) ..
                1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 12: 13 New
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                  This is a Schrodinger UAV, whether it is or not. No mention of them over the past 5 years. Most likely they are already gone. That modern UAVs of Turkey are made on their basis, yes, but they are already moving away from them.
                  Turkey is not armed with high-altitude UAVs, even those that in theory can play no role.
                  1. alone 28 June 2020 12: 21 New
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                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    Turkey is not armed with high-altitude UAVs, even those that in theory can play no role.

                    I see no reason to argue with you .. Therefore, you persistently continue to repeat the same thing .. But they have these BLPs and they took part in military exercises with one country bordering Russia, where it performed the functions of a high-altitude jammer.
                    1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 12: 21 New
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                      Proofs please. All your statements that about 10 years ago there were some deliveries. Well were, then what? Have they been put into service? Were they used in battle? No information. The probability that these UAVs did not reach the army is high. And the fact that they are no longer extremely high was delivered too long ago and there is no news at all about them in recent years.
                      1. alone 28 June 2020 12: 35 New
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                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Have they been put into service?

                        Armed
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Were they used in battle? No information.

                        There is a country where the Turks used them during exercises with the armed forces of this state. Used as jammers ... Then, when I was still serving ... on a contract .. 2-3 years ago hi
                      2. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 15: 29 New
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                        This could work a group of American special services or army men, squinting under the Turks. They fulfilled their task and evaporated. And the Turks do not have Ripers, I looked at a pair of Military Belans for several years. FIG.
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                        It could work a group of American intelligence agencies or army men, mowing under the Turks

                        Do you seriously think that we cannot distinguish between Americans and Turks? fool
                      4. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 15: 33 New
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                        You are naive and do not understand how life works.
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                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        You are naive and do not understand how life works.

                        There are things that are impossible in life .. I personally will never be able to confuse a Turk with an American .. There are dozens of reasons not to confuse them .. You can get confused, but I don’t ..
                        You do not know the way of life of the Turks .. And I know how 5 of your fingers hi
                      6. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 15: 45 New
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                        hangi ülkeden geliyorsun?
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                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        hangi ülkeden geliyorsun?

                        Аzerbaycan..7 yıl Türkiyede yaşadım ve çalışdım hi
                      8. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 15: 55 New
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                        Anladim. So Turkey is doing better than I thought.
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                        Anladim. So Turkey is doing better than I thought.

                        A lot of my friend .. I studied there for 7 years, went through an internship and saw a lot of things. Therefore, I affirm what I am saying. They work very seriously on the military-industrial complex, even too seriously
                2. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 15: 48 New
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                  I personally will never be able to confuse a Turk with an American .. There are dozens of reasons not to confuse them .. You can get confused, but I don’t ..


                  I know a lot about what, you even have no idea. And just in case, remember there are specialists whom you naturally confuse, this time. Secondly, if we were talking about a special group, it could be legitimized in different ways. And the talk is quite likely about them, because there is no information about the purchases of the Ripers by the Turks, there is a much more interesting fact: 4 Ripers allegedly emerge from the Turks in 2012, a worthy source is Vicki. And then silence. They do not flicker anywhere else. In the directories they are not ...
                  There is a more mundane option, however - the Turks rented them. Do you remember?
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                  Remember?

                  Indicate what I do not fall within your competence. You are trying to prove to me what I saw in my country and in Turkey, where I studied and worked for 7 years, where I did an internship several times .. Provide evidence that this is nothing in the Military Balance .. Do all purchases and sales of military equipment fall into this report? If you think so, then everything is already clear ..
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                  I know a lot about what, you even have no idea. And just in case, remember there are specialists whom you naturally confuse, this time.

                  I repeat that I don’t ever confuse a Turk and an American .. These BLPAs are part of the Turkish Armed Forces ..
                4. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 16: 01 New
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                  Quote: lonely
                  I repeat that I will never confuse a Turk and an American ..

                  Do not understand what it is about? It happens.
                  Quote: lonely
                  These BLPAs are part of the Turkish Armed Forces ..

                  They are, but no one has seen them for 8 years. But you believe that they are. What a funny you are.
                  Give evidence that there is nothing about this in the Military Balance .. Do all purchases and sales of military equipment fall into this report?

                  Everything that is larger than a Kalashnikov assault rifle was officially sold. This is much more serious evidence than your blah blah blah ...
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                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  Do not understand what it is about? It happens.

                  Can you confuse a Russian with an American?
                6. Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 16: 11 New
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                  Sure. And experience is such in practice. If an American is adequately prepared and knows the language and nuances of behavior ... Horseradish is excellent. In five minutes, such personnel cannot be prepared naturally. + Do not forget the American army is now that hodgepodge.
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                  Sure. And experience is such in practice. E

                  Willingly I believe .. But the Turks and we are almost one nation .. There are things that no one will ever do except a Turk .. there are small nuances that a person betrays
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                  If an American is adequately prepared and knows the language and nuances of behavior

                  And you would sit with him ... Would drink and have a bite ... At once you would understand that he is not yours ...
  • Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 15: 31 New
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    I see no reason to argue with you .. Therefore, you persistently continue to repeat the same thing .. But they have these BLPs and they took part in military exercises with one country bordering Russia, where it performed the functions of a high-altitude jammer.

    With you too, you don’t own the question, and you don’t want to.
  • Demagogue 28 June 2020 16: 11 New
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    High-altitude is above 10-12 km. Akinchi has not yet been adopted. The Turks so far have only medium-high UAVs

    High-altitude is a ceiling of at least 16 m, and preferably 000 m. Akinchi is "almost high-altitude".
  • Oquzyurd 28 June 2020 13: 07 New
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    6-10 units of high UAV scouts from the Turks.
  • Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 18: 34 New
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    raise high-altitude blpa

    The nuclear reactor in the diagram is not conventionally shown. C. laughing
  • meandr51 28 June 2020 18: 26 New
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    Moreover, this one SAM will be a little inflatable. And then the real ones come out ...
  • KURT330 29 June 2020 11: 18 New
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    Turkey’s Defense Ministry today officially announced 23 destroyed Shells (Syria + Libya).
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      Turkey’s Defense Ministry today officially announced 23 destroyed Shells (Syria + Libya).

      Ukrainians bit them?
  • Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 12: 04 New
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    Quote: lonely
    high-altitude BLPA, which suppresses the entire entire database area,


    Power UAVs will not allow corny. EW is not a child prodigy, it is a way to somewhat reduce the effectiveness of the enemy’s RES. And very lucky if a quarter.
    1. Grazdanin 28 June 2020 12: 18 New
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      It is not necessary to destroy the magic of “EW”, or else remember that there are laws of propagation of electromagnetic waves in the atmosphere, common sense, technical limitations. Why is this? I turned on the button and within a radius of 100 km the radars do not work and the UAVs do not fly, that’s cool!
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      Power UAVs will not allow corny. EW is not a child prodigy, it is a way to somewhat reduce the effectiveness of the enemy’s RES. And very lucky if a quarter.

      For your information, there is even a BLPA DRLO .. And a BLPA EW is even in our country’s armament .. extremely effective .. If Russia does not have it, this does not mean that it is not and this is impossible hi
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  • Cyril G ... 28 June 2020 12: 35 New
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    And BLP EW is even in our country’s arsenal .. very effective ..


    Fairy tales are good. Tales raise morale. I know what you mean by the way. Only physics can not be fooled. Smoke the radar equation.
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      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Fairy tales are good. Tales raise morale.

      Well, I don’t know who they are raising ... In my country are armed ... I saw them during the exercises ... When I served under the contract
  • Gust 29 June 2020 10: 01 New
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    EW works, and it's not a fairy tale. RL guidance disrupts, blocks the operation of the GSN KR, presses communication channels. Naturally, electronic warfare is not a panacea, in combination with other means. The minimum stable configuration is + Buki and + at least the minimum fighter cover. In all other cases, even super operators will not save.
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      The rocket-cannon complex Shell should be divided into two cars, one with missiles and the second with guns, then the dimensions will be sharply reduced and the machine can be effectively masked
      1. Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 18: 37 New
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        Good idea.