American publication explains why Russia is "obsessed" with World War II

In the USA, they thought about the increased attention of Russia to the Second World War. Even phrases appeared about the "obsession" of Russia with World War II. An article about this was published by The Christian Science Monitor.

The author of the article, Fred Vir, considers Russia to be the only country in which over the years the memory of the war not only does not subside, but also, on the contrary, acquires an increasingly vivid character.

Fred Veer has no doubt: World War II brought the USSR much more pain than in other states. The Soviet Union paid too high a price for victory in the Great Patriotic War so that this could be forgotten, at least in the foreseeable future.

The indisputable truth is that World War II hit the Soviet Union much more painfully than the other participants - leaving behind 27 million dead and the entire European part of the country in ruins. The main contribution to the victory over Nazi Germany was also made by the Red Army,

- emphasizes the American author.

In the vast majority of Russian families, any of the representatives of the older generations in any case participated in the war or contributed to the labor front. Celebrating Victory Day, modern Russians pay tribute to their own relatives who participated in the Great Patriotic War.

However, according to a number of experts quoted by the American author, increased attention to the events of 75 years ago may also mean a certain “crisis of legitimacy” among the current Russian authorities. But is it really so?

Rather, we can say that the victory in the Great Patriotic War has become one of the cornerstones of modern Russian civil identity, which has its roots in Soviet identity. Indeed, in one order, Russians and Yakuts, Tatars and Armenians, Jews and Uzbeks went to the front, and the memory of that great war and great victory today allows representatives of all the numerous peoples of the Russian Federation and neighboring countries to feel their involvement in a single historical and cultural community.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

But is the US civil war not the subject of attention of the US people? And she is almost 200 years old!

[voyaka uh]

Absolutely not. Nobody would remember about her if
not black riots in the last month. They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday).

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

. They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday)

Celebrate about - this is one thing, about remember - a little different. Fortunately, Russia has something to celebrate! Otherwise, there would simply be no one. How is the expulsion of the Poles from Moscow celebrated ... And black - and what are black? Can they really seize power? They will rob, burn, rape someone ... They are children, do not dare to touch them ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Can they really seize power? They will rob, burn, rape someone ... They are children, do not dare to touch them ...

They will not seize power, and whether they need it, but they will help someone fall. and someone to climb Olympus. But after such performances, they get more and more rights, many remember how these "onizhedets" were lynched in the early 60s, is it possible now to imagine this in the USA?
In the US Army until 1948, black and white served separately, "black" divisions. They do not need power with such rights as they have now.

[poquello]

Quote: tihonmarine

at the beginning of the 60s, "the Kukluksklan members were lynching, is it possible now to imagine it in the USA?"

easy, popcorn stock up, everything is still ahead

[Tatyana]

the victory in the Great Patriotic War became one of the cornerstones of modern Russian civil identity, which has its roots in the SOVIET identity.

What is true is true! Exactly!
That is why the pro-Western liberals and pour mud all SOVIET!
And the Generalissimo of the USSR I.V. In the history of Russia and human memory, Stalin lived, is alive, and will live!
And he passed away not as some kind of oligarch, but as a JUST "FATHER of the peoples", as sane people and politicians said about him!

[alekseykabanets]

[quote = Tatyana] [quote] the victory in the Great Patriotic War became one of the cornerstones of modern Russian civil identity, which has its roots in Soviet identity. [/ quote]
What is true is true! Exactly!
That is why the pro-Western liberals and pour mud all SOVIET!
And the Generalissimo of the USSR I.V. In the history of Russia and human memory, Stalin lived, is alive, and will live!
And he passed away not as some kind of oligarch, but as a JUST "FATHER of the peoples", as sane people and politicians said about him!

What side does the USSR relate to the current oligarchic power?

[poquello]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What side does the USSR relate to the current oligarchic power?

RI> RR> RSR> RSFSR> CCSR> RSFSR> RF

what do they teach at school?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: poquello

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What side does the USSR relate to the current oligarchic power?

RI> RR> RSR> RSFSR> CCSR> RSFSR> RF

what do they teach at school?

For "those who are in the tank", I will decipher the question. How does the Soviet (from the word soviets) state, the state of "workers and peasants" relate to the current oligarchic government?

[poquello]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: poquello

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What side does the USSR relate to the current oligarchic power?

RI> RR> RSR> RSFSR> CCSR> RSFSR> RF

what do they teach at school?

For "those who are in the tank", I will decipher the question. How does the Soviet (from the word soviets) state, the state of "workers and peasants" relate to the current oligarchic government?

and the current government is Russian (this is such a country - Russia, Rus), and "Soviet" to Russia is like an inscription on the shed where the firewood is, the descendants of Suvorov and Bagration fought with the Germans, once a non-commissioned officer Zhukov, a junior non-commissioned officer Rokosovskiy etc.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: poquello

(this country is such - Russia, Russia)

You still draw an analogy with Urartu.

Quote: poquello

and "Soviet" to Russia is like the inscription on the barn where the firewood is

Especially for Solzhenitsyn fans: the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.

Quote: poquello

the Germans fought with the descendants of Suvorov and Bagration, once non-commissioned officer Zhukov, junior non-commissioned officer Rokosovsky etc.

I think that the descendants of Emelyan Pugachev, Salavat Yulaev, Kondraty Bulavin fought with the Germans no worse. That's just they fought for the conquest of October. For an 8-hour working day, for a free education, for everyone, for free medicine, for paid holidays and sick leave, tell us a lot of this, do we still have this hour?

[poquello]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: poquello

(this country is such - Russia, Russia)

You still draw an analogy with Urartu.

this is not an analogy, this is a story

"A people who do not know their past has no future"
Mikhail Lomonosov.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Especially for Solzhenitsyn fans: the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.

the understanding that "Soviet" is "Russian" is "anti-Soviet" for rabid communists, and how it refers to "Russophobe" is generally beyond understanding.
Have you read Solzhenitsin? Me not. )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Tatyana

That is why the pro-Western liberals and pour mud all SOVIET!
And the Generalissimo of the USSR I.V. In the history of Russia and human memory, Stalin lived, is alive, and will live!

And he passed away not as some kind of oligarch, but as a FAIR "FATHER of peoples", as sane people and politicians said about him! [/ Guote]

What side does the USSR relate to the current oligarchic power?

The most direct! Namely.

Chubais on privatization and its results. • Jan 21. 2019 year

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

That is why the pro-Western liberals and pour mud all SOVIET!

Why should they not throw mud at them, under Stalin and under the USSR they lived on the same salary, and now wallets are cracking from dollars, plus private property, profits, and no one will be imprisoned for theft, let alone "nonsense" in the media, only reward.

[Klingon]

you can’t argue: from a semi-feudal-type country shod in bast shoes and covered with mud, he made a world-wide superpower in a relatively short time! it must be a genius to achieve such a result!

[vadivm59]

in Detroit, in 1967, it all started the same way with a performance by blacks. Now they themselves (Americans) call it "ghost town"

[l7yzo]

Yeah - no need to go far.
Yes, look at their homeland - Africa - if they were as wise and great as they call themselves - there would have been a second China, no less. But I don’t see anything other than South Africa, I don’t see a particularly normal country (I don’t take Arab countries). And South Africa - well, there are, as it were, the board of the country, many visitors, so to speak, foreigners.


Bummer - he is a bummer in Africa))

[sabakina]

Quote: voyaka uh

Absolutely not. Nobody would remember about her if
not black riots in the last month. They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday).

Lexey, at first I decided not to touch you, but then I changed my mind. When this film came out, I did not understand for a long time why this film was created. After all, everything was clear. Many years later, now, I realized that this film "damned commies" was created not for the western man in the street, but for their descendants. I thought for a long time which series to stage ... In the light of recent events and articles, I decided to stage this one. May the moderators forgive me. Amen.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: voyaka uh

Absolutely not. Nobody would remember about her if
not black riots in the last month. They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday).

Long before these riots, many Texans loved to repeat - the war had not yet ended My Israeli girlfriend lives in Dallas, she’s always been kidding about it)).

[avg]

Quote: voyaka uh

They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday).

Now they will celebrate May 25 George Floyd's Day - a trick in a golden coffin.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

This dead little stick is now holy for them, like Horst Wessel for the Nazis.
World has gone mad.

[Rostov Papa]

Now they will celebrate May 25 George Floyd's Day - a trick in a golden coffin.

Which day the most powerful power of the planet says goodbye to one of its best sons. Even presidents are not buried like that. A golden coffin, hundreds of thousands mourning and sobbing, thousands of kneeling idiots ask forgiveness from the black population of some states. The Mayor of Miniapolis, clutching the coffin with his hands (so as not to fall from grief) with the body of the most worthy of America's worthy citizens, sheds tears and snot of crocodiles. His sobs are interrupted by shouts of "Proooostiii", and. again continue increasing. Choking with saliva, the ex-wife of the murdered man is crying, however, the last time she saw him was 6 years ago, when he left her with her three-month-old daughter. Over the years, he has not sent money for his daughter to his ex-wife, but the unfortunate widow has been screaming for a week that she was left without a breadwinner, and therefore compassionate Americans have collected 20000000 dollars from the world for her, and the money continues to flow. The University of Masachusetts established the George Floyd Fellowship. Whether this learned man could at least read, we do not know, most likely not. This is not taught in prisons. If events unfold at a similar pace, then, at any given time, the Nobel Prize will be renamed Floyd's.
The great Floyd was sitting for robberies, for drug trafficking, for armed robberies (the last time, holding a pregnant woman with his claw by the throat and putting a gun barrel to her stomach, he demanded money). then he made a deal with the investigation, handed over all his accomplices, than he reduced his term of imprisonment by several years. When his body was opened, drugs were found in the blood. This is the national hero of America of the 21st century. We did not save our ray of light. But there were followers. The Floyd affair lives and grows. Mass robberies and violence, as a sign of respect and grief over George, swept the US democratic states. The most beautiful areas of different cities, including New York and Los Angeles, are spread in the trash. 89 policemen were killed. A 17-year-old girl was terribly raped, hundreds of police officers were burned, and not just cars, streets, squares, park alleys were burned and paved, the necks of the swans, who were full and free in every city pond, were curled up (before meeting with Floydovtsy).
The candidate for the President of the United States Joe Biden with a severe form of senile dementia, today he also fell to his knees, however, he could not get up himself, help was needed, but this did not bother hundreds of thousands of admirers of "St. Floyd". They will vote in the elections for this fossil, which, in fact, the Democrats are striving for, not disdaining anything. On knees?! No question - on your knees !!!! Muzzle in the shit ?! With our great pleasure! Whatever you order, "Floyds" !!! And what is disgusting is that almost the entire democratic party of the country is like that.
Alexandra Antosyak, USA

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Or maybe it's bad, which is not? Warrior wow, why are you here ... why? Both grandfathers were killed in this war ... and an uncle, just a kid. 27 million dead ... This is horror ... so who else but we should celebrate this victory.

[halpat]

Quote: voyaka uh

Absolutely not. Nobody would remember about her if
not black riots in the last month. They celebrate July 4 - Independence Day
and Thanksgiving (family holiday).

Yes, hello.
All States are studded with monuments of the heroes of the Civil War, both “northerners” and “southerners”.
And there are a whole bunch of local holidays, from small towns to state capitals, which are also very small often.
And in schools, children are told to whom this or that monument was erected in their town.
In the guidebooks, there are monuments in any local museum / or travel information bureau. They will be happy to tell you in detail about the historical character to whom the monument was erected in their town.
The story of the United States is quite short. And there is nothing special to be proud of.
Therefore, all historical facts are carefully collected (s) and quietly proud of them. And they try not to notice, or better not to know, that the history of other nations has more than one thousand years, at the local American level - absolutely precisely.

But now, probably, they will urgently rewrite textbooks, especially on a subject such as “know and love your native land”. And in the local travel agency / information guide-staff will be given new texts.
Well, in principle, there’s not much to forget there. 244 years from the Declaration of Independence. And before that, the Mayflower with a bunch of misunderstandings ... yes, Chingachgooks are different, that's all.

[orionvitt]

Quote: voyaka uh

Nobody would remember about her if
not black riots in the last month.

So in Russia, they would celebrate Victory Day in a quiet, in their own way. If it were not for the attempts of the West to rewrite everything in their own way, completely deleting the USSR from the history of the Victory over German fascism. Moreover, they are so impudent that they are trying to accuse the USSR of unleashing World War II. And then they wonder why there is such a surge of patriotism in Russia. In the west, they probably don't know the old Russian proverb "Sow the wind, reap the storm". And how much the winds of the western countries have "sown" all over the world, wow. Any action provokes opposition. So the answer to the west of the whole world will be in any case. Won in the USA, already their boomerang is back. And this is just the beginning.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But is the US civil war not the subject of attention of the US people?

If this can be called a war, then in our country the "Makhnovshchina" was a world battle.

[Deniska999]

But where before the war, the conflict, which lasted 4 years, during which more than a million people were killed and injured. And this is in the middle of the XIX century. So, a trifle for a country with a population of 31 million.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Only 200 years ...... And all the same there ..... Indicate countries whose history has been disappearing for many centuries ......

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

They do not point out to the country, but are surprised at the phenomenon of 'obsession'. As we, in turn, do not accept anti-racist paranoia and their tender attitude towards homosexuals. Mental conflict.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Judging by the years of our existence on earth, we’ll seem to be older, wiser .... Maybe that's why all this dirt does not stick to us? Why aren’t they surprised from Poland? There are also gay parades
and their participants can’t stand it ....

[halpat]

Quote: Tatyana Sementsova

Judging by the years of our existence on earth, we’ll seem to be older, wiser .... Maybe that's why all this dirt does not stick to us? Why aren’t they surprised from Poland? There are also gay parades
and their participants can’t stand it ....

I remembered the old joke:
Petka with Vasil Ivanovich came to the bath, undressed.
Petka says: Well, you’re dirty, Vasil Ivanovich!
And Chapaev to him: So I will be older than you, Petka ...

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Why stick it?

[The son of Kuzkin’s mother]

160 years 1861-1865

[Clear]

You can’t say better

the memory of that great war and great victory today allows representatives of all the numerous peoples of the Russian Federation and neighboring countries to feel their involvement in a single historical and cultural community.

[Vend]

That's just the United States and write about it

[Far B]

Because Mr. Putin cannot offer anything else to the scrupulous. He plays on what his current clique has an extremely negative relation to. The consonance of the names of Putin and Peten has always amused.
War is a great tragedy for everyone. Making her a fetish is unworthy of a man. Damn, even the fucking tsarism did not think of the annual parades in honor of the victory over Napoleon!

[kot423]

Quote: Dalny V

War is a great tragedy for everyone.

Whom do you mean? Residents of Russia or residents of the world? Maybe the Poles, arranging excursions to Auschwitz, mattresses hammering into the heads of their children and shouting to the whole world that they told Hitler, the Japanese, more than half of whom, thanks to the "tragedy for all", are sure that nuclear strikes are the work of the USSR? You can continue indefinitely ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kot423

And who do you mean? Residents of Russia or the inhabitants of the world? Can Poles organizing excursions to Auschwitz

Yes, for the whole world, war was and is the greatest grief. But how this grief is brought to the people in some countries is the other side of the coin. With Germany, everything is clear, after 1945 it was mixed with feces, and now it is already a country and a nation, unable to have its own "I". Those who need to have achieved this, with Japan came out according to the same scenario. But with the USSR / Russia, this did not work out, although they broke through the knee, although they betrayed the Gorbo-Eltsins, they did not break. Now a new method has been chosen, to blame Russia and the Russians for everything that happened. Yes, this is the same war, only "not hot", and the war is not for 2-3 years, but maybe for a decade. So this war must be resisted in the same way as they stood to their death near Moscow and in Stalingrad. There is an example of such a war, everyone can see what is happening with the neighbors. At first, little by little, little by little, but deeper and deeper, and for 6 years now there has been a hot war. But the people there are broken, and have already adopted the Western ideology, abandoned the Victory, the memory of their ancestors, in contrast to the Lao PDR.

[kot423]

I agree, but with my post above I focused on something else: Far V (Mikhail) the parades are mangled, in spite of the fact that there are far from three of them in the USSR (according to him, although I can assume that he was 3 and found it until he fell over the hill for a "good" life). And even this is not important, he just works clumsy, it does not matter what topic - the main thing is to braid and blame Putin (despite the fact that the victory parades are a reminder of the horrors of war, the price for it and a reminder for the "hawks." , as Far V (Mikhail) and his ilk turns out). After all, they do not care that in tsarist Russia they also honored the memory and celebrated, and after that, the main thing is to rock the "boat of the current regime" harder.

[Far B]

Koment full of porridge, re-read a couple of times, thought something wrong with me. But no, with the comment. Especially in the place where I screwed over the hill. Sitting on the shore of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, I urge you, man, burn ischo, burn napalm!

[unaha]

Here, it’s rather simpler - because you want to be proud of your country, but in the present there is simply nothing to be proud of. Accordingly, they begin to be proud of the past. The most striking example is not far from the notorious Sumerians.
But why be like them - I do not understand.
Veterans, their contribution must be respected and more than one day a year. As well as remembering the story, to learn from it. And you should be proud of your achievements and look to the future, not the past.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: kot423

Can Poles organizing excursions to Auschwitz

And what's wrong with that? What, it is necessary to tear down and build a mega-mall on the site of Auschwitz?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dalny V

Making her a fetish is unworthy of a man.

And then the fetish? This is the memory of people. There was not a single family in the USSR that the war would not have hurt. Putin then what side to this?

Quote: Dalny V

Because Mr. Putin cannot offer anything else to the scrupulous.

Dear, did your grandfathers fight? In your opinion it turns out that without a kick in the ass of Putin, you would not have remembered your grandfathers. What kind of idiocy did you scratch here?

[Far B]

Dear, we fought. I respected and loved them before Putin, and I do not need Putin to know that Grisha's grandfather was ambushed and died two days before the start of the Battle of Kursk. That grandfather Sasha, as he himself said, “left half-ass under the city of Lenin and half-feet under the town of Stalin.” That his own grandfather started from under Grodekov, and finished ... Yes, hell knows, he never told, except some jokes. And the grandmother is also there, she met her grandfather, like, but she died early, she didn't have time to tell anything at all. For this I need Putin ?!
Damn, I need Putin to try to understand - but if I could, under wild fire, get on the attack, climb into the vessel to cross the Volga, tear on a log across the Dnieper, hold a piglet ?! Are you serious, I need Putin for this ?!
Putin just uses it for his own purposes, and it’s low.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dalny V

Putin just uses it for his own purposes, and it’s low.

And how does he use it? Are you being pulled by the ears to the Parade, or is it kicks to the procession of the Immortal regiment? By the way, father also fought with Putin ... and if he says that we should not forget about that war and who was the Winner, so I'm sorry, he is telling the truth, without any manipulation.
By the way, there were parades in the USSR ... so there, in your opinion, they also used your feelings low?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dalny V

and it's low.

What a funny childish infantility.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Do you think Ukraine did not take part in the war? There are no cities of Heroes in Ukraine?
In Ukraine there is no such thing as Putin!
Your grandfathers in a coffin probably turn over from what is happening in Ukraine !!!! Why are they jumping there? Why is fascism being heroized? What do you think Putin did wrong? And how was it to be done? How are your neighbors?
There will be no parades, no one will explain to the youth what war is ..... They will know about it only from shooters on the Internet. And so press the BUTTON, since it will spit, because they will have no idea what human grief is, what death is ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NEXUS

Dear, did your grandfathers fight? In your opinion it turns out that without a kick in the ass of Putin, you would not have remembered your grandfathers

I remember the statement of Yushchenko's second wife when she was asked "Where did your parents meet?" she replied, "At a party in a concentration camp where they worked." All served and fought, only the armies are different.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

What does Putin have to do with it? In fact, the victory in the Great Patriotic War was celebrated back in the USSR. And the parades were held. I believe that after Putin, May 9th will remain a nation-wide holiday. And they celebrate not war, but victory in the war. As for the absence in the Russian Empire of the celebration of the anniversaries of the victory in the Patriotic War of 1812, you simply do not know. Celebrated. And the medals were awarded to the surviving veterans. And solemn prayers with a bell ringing were held annually. Then Victory Day over Napoleon (December 25) coincided with Christmas, so two holidays were celebrated simultaneously. And so on until 1916. And already on the centenary in 1912, such celebrations were held all over the country and on such a scale that the modern celebration of May 9 still looks modest.

[Far B]

Three parades took place in the USSR. Putin is now stamping them. Output? Do it yourself.

[Senior seaman]

Quote: Dalny V

Three parades took place in the USSR.

Lope?

[qQQQ]

Quote: Dalny V

Three parades took place in the USSR. Putin is now stamping them. Output? Do it yourself

Three parades on May 9, and how many parades were on November 7? Probably every year, ideology has gone, the parade has been postponed to a more appropriate date.

[Reducer]

The winning country held three parades of 1965, 1985, 1990. They remembered not with speeches from the rostrum, but with deeds - strategy and economics. Although not very effective.

[kot423]

June 24, 1945, 1965, 1985, 1990. Since 1995 - annually (according to Far V (Mikhail) it’s Putin they already began to stamp them). And in fact - it was then that screams and attempts to rewrite the history of the Second World War began = began to remind the truth annually.

[Far B]

Uncle kot 423, you ..?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Reduktor

They remembered not with speeches from the rostrum, but with deeds - strategy and economics. Although not very effective.

In your own words, it turns out that they remembered poorly.

[Senior seaman]

Quote: Reduktor

Winning country held three parades 1965, 1985, 1990

Parade 1945 where to do?
This is not counting that at least two parades were held every year - November 7 and May 1.
So the phrase "Three parades took place in the USSR", at least not complete.

[Far B]

On November 7 and May 1 held Victory parades? You pushed hard

[Senior seaman]

Learn to read. Where is it written?

[Far B]

this is apart from the fact that at least two parades were held every year

Your words not? It's about the Victory Parade, and you dragged to something on November 7th. By the way, in the first of May there were demonstrations, not parades. Low.

[Senior seaman]

It is probably very difficult to go through the whole branch, but colleague Reductor wrote the following:

The winning country held three parades 1965, 1985, 1990

What I pointed out is that a little more. Plus, he managed to forget about the 1945 parade.

By the way, in the first of May there were demonstrations, not parades.

If you do not know something, this does not mean that this has never happened. On May Day military parades were held annually until 1968 ..
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8

Quote: Dalny V

Low.

Self-critical :)

[DMB_95]

Quote: Far In

Because Mr. Putin cannot offer anything else to the scrupulous. He plays on what his current clique has an extremely negative relation to. The consonance of the names of Putin and Peten has always amused.
War is a great tragedy for everyone. Making her a fetish is unworthy of a man. Damn, even the fucking tsarism did not think of the annual parades in honor of the victory over Napoleon!

Well, what is Putin's "negative attitude" towards the memory of the War expressed? Maybe Marshal Petain's elder brother also died of starvation in besieged Paris? No, Paris was surrendered without a fight. It is a amusing you, streponoset? And do not confuse the fetish with memory.

[Far B]

In everyday life. In blurring. This is the toughest sabotage. In 20 years, people will start saying "Parade? Don't give a damn. It's always like this." Like house slippers, damn it

[kotvov]

Or maybe Marshal Petain’s older brother also died of starvation in besieged Paris ?,
I remember correctly, the French, and not the Putin administration, hung a memorial plaque to Hitler’s ally?

[figwam]

Quote: Dalny V

Damn, even the fucking tsarism did not think of the annual victory parades

How such wrinkles from the day of victory! So everything is right with the celebration.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Right !!! Let's put on Victory Day, on grandfathers, great-grandfathers and we will look for something
SKRE BEARING like real men! For example, we will hold GAY PARADES !!!!! Well, that would hold our community together !!!!

[Far B]

Do not break in your loyalty. Love for the Motherland and love for His Excellency are two different things.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

Do not take the big rainbow flag to the parade, the sail is big, it can be carried away by the wind and the anchor will not help ..........

[The son of Kuzkin’s mother]

War is a tragedy, and victory in a war of annihilation is a holiday)

[qQQQ]

Quote: The son of Kuzka's mother

War is a tragedy, and victory in a war of annihilation is a holiday

Namely, Victory in such a war, the price of which was either life or complete destruction, this Holiday, in my opinion, for our people, no less significant than Easter for believers. We have the day of mourning on June 22nd, here we all mourn, and on May 9th we celebrate.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Dalny V

Damn, even the fucking tsarism did not think of the annual parades in honor of the victory over Napoleon!

That's right - hell, a citizen of Ukraine slept. And as for Napoleon, he did not set the task of exterminating the Slavs as a race. I want to remind you that Ukrainians were not considered Germans for people either, and were subject to exactly the same genocide as the Russians. And the victory in the Second World War is celebrated because without it there would be neither us nor you. You do not grieve on your birthday?

[Ether]

You damn yourself, have fun in your pants. Napoleon is your fetish, it is worthy of real pozan.

[reston]

On the shore of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and such writers !!! There are no words.

[NIKN]

The author of the article, Fred Vir, considers Russia to be the only country in which over the years the memory of the war not only does not subside, but also, on the contrary, acquires an increasingly vivid character.

And I will ask another question, why are others trying to forget her? Maybe just a shame? USSR The only country participating in that war and had no interest in benefiting from it, but simply defended its home ...

[parusnik]

And I will ask another question, why are others trying to forget her? Maybe just a shame?

... Yes, what a shame. The plans were big, but did not grow together. Everything went wrong, as I wanted. What to remember.

[NIKN]

Quote: parusnik

The plans were big, but did not grow together. Everything went wrong as I wanted. What to remember.

This is exactly what I had in mind, but you said.

[NEXUS]

Quote: NIKNN

And I will ask another question, why are others trying to forget her?

In this regard, it is necessary to REMIND mankind, WHO bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki-cities, in which there were no military units of Japan, and which had no strategic importance.
But if we remember, mattresses do their best to erase their human memory.

[kotvov]

But if we remember, mattresses do their best to erase their actions from human memory. ,,
In vain you think so, they are proud of it. Arguing that it was the atomic bombing that put an end to the war.

[NEXUS]

Quote: kotvov

Arguing that it was the atomic bombing that put an end to the war.

Let them say anything and hammer into the minds of an illiterate population ... Japan capitulated after Malinowski rolled the Kwantung army in a nutshell in two weeks. And the bombing of Hiroshima had nothing to do with it.

[kotvov]

I don’t need to explain this. I gave a cue to what you say, as if they want to forget.

[Clear]

Quote: NEXUS

But if we remember, mattresses do their best to erase their human memory.

And the Americans manage to do this, because Japan, the country they occupied with disabilities.
What can we talk about when the US Army can use the territory of Japan WITHOUT agreement with its government.

[Region68]

and when with Adik in the contract they wrote who will take what is not benefit?

[Cyril G ...]

Are you talking about the section of Czechoslovakia? About the occupation by the Poles of Teshinsky volost?

[Region68]

No, about the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact and the subsequent friendship with Germany ..

[Cyril G ...]

Why on earth? You need to start about the Friendship of Poland, an ally of London by the way and Germany

[Region68]

<<< And I'll ask another question, why are the others trying to forget her? Maybe it's just a shame? The USSR was the only country participating in that war and had no interest to benefit from it, but simply defended its home ... >>>>>
I replied to this comment about the benefits

[The son of Kuzkin’s mother]

In the same way, in 1944-45 they shared the world with Britain and the USA. It’s for himself that he will take it. Churchill in his memoirs colorfully described

[Region68]

With Britain and the United States discussed the post-war world order ..

[Region68]

In your opinion, is it the same as twisting Shura Mura with Hitler?

[Cyril G ...]

Shura-moors, you must assume that about Munich conspiracy and trade with the Reich, while fighting with him.

[Region68]

The period from August 23, 39 to June 22, 1941, I mean ..

[Cyril G ...]

But not me. For the event must be considered in a complex, starting with the one who brought the NSDAP to power, who financed them, who financed the restoration of the armed forces. Someone realizing that Adolf didn’t have ice tossed Czech industry and millions of Czechs accustomed to the will of the Germans, who traded with them throughout the war, who threw a little oil on the poor for the Germans.

[The son of Kuzkin’s mother]

Why should the USSR fight Hitler for the prosperity of France and Britain? That is, what Stalin called "pulling chestnuts out of the fire"? This is exactly what Britain and France wanted to persuade the USSR to do, proposing a rather cunning treaty that left a loophole for the allies to leave the USSR alone in the war with the Reich on Polish territory. Further events actually confirmed this: the Allies were in no hurry to help Poland in September 1939, at first, until September 3 they were looking for an opportunity to agree, and then they gave the Wehrmacht the opportunity to defeat Poland. So Stalin was right: with such allies, you need to be extremely careful that you are not thrown if possible

[qQQQ]

Quote: NIKNN

And I will ask another question, why are others trying to forget her?

Yes, because they were on the side of Hitler. The USSR, Britain, Greece, Yugoslavia, Poland fought against Europe, but I don’t know anymore, just do not add France, it will be ridiculous.

[Vasyan1971]

The author of the article, Fred Vir, considers Russia to be the only country in which over the years the memory of the war not only does not subside, but also, on the contrary, acquires an increasingly vivid character.

Come on! And the Jews with the Holocaust?

However, according to a number of experts quoted by the American author ...

Is that what? Unseen Wars? Overseas overseas?

[A. Privalov]

There is no need to be a great sage to understand such elementary things.

[Boris55]

If we talk about obsession, then Russia is "obsessed" World War IIthat ended May 9th, 1945 years of complete and unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany.

The Second World War ended September 2, 1945 We participated in it with August 8, 1945In pursuance of our agreements with the United States and England, they helped China and recaptured previously lost territories from Japan.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

September 17, 1939, when the Soviet Union in collusion with its ally, Nazi Germany attacked Poland.

It’s clear you don’t know the story either. It is such a trait of Russophobes to ignore reality.
As for the collusion, will you at least have some kind of meow? And then the Red Army began an operation to liberate the territories of Ukraine and Belarus at that moment when the so-called Polish government had already fled very far and by September 17, Polish statehood had collapsed. By the way, despite the cries of modern skakuas, Stalin did not violate the Curzon line, thereby remaining in his own right and legal field.

the demarcation line between Poland and the RSFSR proposed by the British Foreign Secretary Lord Curzon in 1920. Recommended by the Supreme Council of the Entente as the eastern border of Poland
The line basically corresponds to the ethnographic principle: to the west of it there were lands with a predominance of the Polish population, to the east - territories with a predominance of the Lithuanian, Belorussian, Ukrainian population.

Now about the year 1945.

Quote: professor

On August 9, 1945, and not the 8th, the USSR treacherously attacked Japan in violation of the non-attack treaty signed with it earlier.

Again, you confuse the warm with the soft. The neutrality treaty was denounced by Moscow on April 5, 1941. And then in accordance with the results of the Potsdam Conference, which discussed issues of the upcoming war with Japan

It was extremely important for the heads of government of the United States and Great Britain to receive personal confirmation from JV Stalin that the USSR would enter the war with Japan, and they received it

[Cyril G ...]

Hard case.

You would heal the master. (from.)

And you are extremely predictable. I'm talking about a "parade" that was not. There was a good mine with a bad game, the solemn exit of the Germans outside the Curzon line, which the Soviet command urgently asked them in the person of the Jew Krivoshein Semyon Moiseevich ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

There was no parade, and newsreels were a fake made in Hollywood. The Red Army on Polish territory was completely by accident. I got lost when going camping with tents.
Jewish Krivoshein Semyon Moiseevich represented himself there, the Jewish community, the Jewish people. Jews allocated him authority. He did not represent the USSR there as a commander of the Red Army. It was his personal, Jewish initiative.

How do you burn. Look into space do not fly ... As you will see the passing of the Red Army soldiers in a solemn march let me know well? And then I see for now how the Germans gathered manat on a quick and ceremonial march leaving the city. By the way, how were you supposed to? Ticking gardens?
Yes, and the territory is not Polish, but illegally annexed by Warsaw (in violation of Curzon’s recommendation, this is the British Prime Minister if that) as a result of the Polish-Soviet war started by the Poles. Bingo! So we realized who is to blame for everything - the Hyena of Europe. What a delicious word

[kotvov]

Professor, excuse me, but you are dumb. How many of your homodrons have the Red Army saved by this campaign? Tell us where the USSR first encountered Hitler Germany (Although the “democratic ones” shoved something for themselves, in some places, they respected “neutrality”). Which looked strange, For the government of Spain goods-weapons were not passed, and for Franco and German-Italian troops, please.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

It’s strange. Why was it marked on the Soviet maps of the 30s as Polish? Why did the League of Nations recognize Poland’s borders as such?

because it’s not dill, if it’s busy, it’s painted over. The League of Nations and Poland recognized the territories captured by the Poles in the 20m fact.

[Professor]

Who painted on the Soviet map published in the Stalinist USSR?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Who painted on the Soviet map published in the Stalinist USSR?

Well, you have questions, and who paints the radish?
The war with Poland ended with a Riga treaty according to which the Poles chopped off these lands, in the 39th USSR took them back.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

It was argued that these territories were not Polish

since 20 were

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

It was argued that these territories were not Polish

since 20 were

At the time of the Soviet attack on Poland, these territories were Polish. Confirmation of this official Soviet maps. The topic is closed.

at the time of the Polish attack, these lands were Soviet

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

About Polish territory in more detail, pliz! And about 1921, and about Poland’s campaign for the Curzon line ... Let’s, in detail, like that ...

[Cyril G ...]

I support ....

[DIM (a)]

it’s a little strange to look at events when Jewish statehood did not exist from space, when it created itself and strengthened itself ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: professor

September 17, 1939 USSR in conspiracy with his ally Nazi Germany attacked Poland. This is a medical fact. Attempts to justify the attack do not change this fact ..

And he did it right - it gave a territorial buffer, delayed the implementation of the blitzkrieg.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: professor

September 17, 1939 USSR in conspiracy with his ally Nazi Germany attacked Poland. This is a medical fact. Attempts to justify the attack do not change this fact ..

And he did it right - it gave a territorial buffer, delayed the implementation of the blitzkrieg.

“Right” or “wrong” does not negate the fact of the attack.

[Krasnodar]

Does not cancel. But we were born thanks in part to this “attack”.

[Cyril G ...]

It’s not clear just where the USSR attacked ...

[Krasnodar]

Behind, I guess

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Does not cancel. But we were born thanks in part to this “attack”.

In the sense? Is the union of Hitler and Dzhugashvile good for Jews and for fertility? Concentration camps gather Jews, and at that time Scriabin kisses Nazi criminal Ribbentrop in a hickey in the name of our salvation? I have a different vision of history. As you can see, it does not coincide with the current Russian interpretations.

PS
Is the shooting of 21 Polish prisoners also "for our sake"?

[Krasnodar]

Once again - the entrance to Moldova, the Baltic states and Poland gave a territorial buffer, which affected the failure of the blitzkrieg and, ultimately, the Victory.
I have not read the official Russian interpretation on this subject)).

[Professor]

Don't you think that a joint attack with Hitler on Poland, an attack on Finland, the Baltic states, Bessarabia is an approach of disaster?

[Krasnodar]

Of course not
Stalin wanted to improve the position of the USSR in front of Mochilov, hoping that Hitler would fiddle with France for a long time. During this time, it was calculated to prepare the army properly. The quick victory of the Nazis in Europe confused all the cards, but the territorial acquisitions, which turned out to be very useful in 1941, remained

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Of course not
Stalin wanted to improve the position of the USSR in front of Mochilov, hoping that Hitler would fiddle with France for a long time. During this time, it was calculated to prepare the army properly. The quick victory of the Nazis in Europe confused all the cards, but the territorial acquisitions, which turned out to be very useful in 1941, remained

"territorial acquisitions"? Let's call them their proper names - occupied territories. They didn't help in any way. The Nazis went through them like a knife through butter and within a couple of months they came to Moscow. I think you are aware of what Dzhugashvili did with the local population of the occupied territories. By the way, this did not help the Jews either, They, like other locals, were simply not allowed into the USSR and the Nazis quickly got to them.

PS
Let's not forget about the local partisans who brought a lot of trouble to the Soviet government.

[Krasnodar]

Without these territories, they would have passed faster, most likely occupying Moscow. Jews were not allowed in the USSR? After the occupation of Bessarabia, part of my family ended up in Tiraspol - from there they were evacuated to the RSFSR. Many Polish Jews were thus in Tashkent, they were evacuated. Z Minsk, Kiev, etc.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Without these territories, they would have passed faster, most likely occupying Moscow.

How much faster? They did not pass these occupied territories, but ran through.
And Moscow, as you know, helped defend General Moroz.

Quote: Krasnodar

Jews were not allowed in the USSR?

No, they didn’t. Units managed to move from the territory of former Poland to the USSR.

Quote: Krasnodar

After the occupation of Bessarabia, part of my family ended up in Tiraspol - from there they were evacuated to the RSFSR. Many Polish Jews were thus in Tashkent, they were evacuated. Z Minsk, Kiev, etc.

Your family was lucky and few Polish Jews ended up in the USSR. The NKVD barriers obstructed.

[Krasnodar]

The Germans planned to take Moscow by the beginning of November - as we see, the factor of territories played a role, due to which the Germans fell under the Frost.

According to the Polish Embassy, ​​in the territory of the USSR in its eastern regions in 1942 there were 265.501 Polish citizens. And here we are talking about people who lived before the war in the internal regions of Poland, and not in areas attached to the USSR. It can be assumed that a significant part of them were Jews.

https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/education/educational-materials/learning-environments/families/additional-materials/evacuation.html

This is not counting the deported and arrested type of Menachem Begin.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

The Germans planned to take Moscow by the beginning of November - as we see, the factor of territories played a role, due to which the Germans fell under the Frost.

By the beginning of November, the Germans were near Moscow. Look how much the Germans slipped through the occupied territories. And the capture of Moscow did not solve anything. All that was needed had already been evacuated from Moscow. "Moscow is speaking" - Levitan lied from Sverdlovsk.

Quote: Krasnodar

https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/education/educational-materials/learning-environments/families/additional-materials/evacuation.html

This is not counting the deported and arrested type of Menachem Begin.

Looking for a link about the NKVD barriers?

[Krasnodar]

Being near Moscow and taking Moscow are two big differences. Even if the Germans spent a week seizing these territories, this added 7 days of Frost near Moscow and irreparable losses of manpower and equipment. The capture of Moscow in early November should have served as a signal to the Japanese to launch an attack on the Far East of the USSR - the faction of the Japanese General Staff would have won, demanding an attack on the Russians, not the Americans. Yes, and the Turks would fit in the Caucasus - Hitler has long offered them.
If it does not bother you, but:

On September 17, 1939, the Soviet Union invaded the eastern regions of Poland. Later, the Baltic countries and part of Romania were annexed to the USSR. In the period from September 1939 to July 1941, 1.173.170 people, 2 representatives of different nationalities: Poles, Ukrainians, Jews, Latvians, Lithuanians and many others were deported from these territories to special settlements according to official data. Moreover, deportation continued even in the early days of the war.

Ultimately, these people turned out to be refugees in the eastern regions of the USSR, as did the evacuated. It is not known exactly how many Jews were among them.

Source - Yad Vashem
In addition, many managed to evacuate from the very beginning of the war - on June 23, official permission was given to send trains deep into the USSR

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

If it does not bother you, but:

What are you? Never will complicate. At Yom Hashoah, this year he was interested in this topic because of personal and recent acquaintance with the survivor. Now they are making a film about him. It will be posted on the site Yad Vashem.
The occupation of Poland did not aim to save someone and practically did not save anyone. Jews were also sent to the Gulag among Polish citizens. Near Smolensk, among the executed Polish prisoners were Jews.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, it is clear that the introduction of troops into Poland did not aim to save anyone, however, were there 250 thousand people who fled to the USSR from the German zone of occupation? There were. 1,7 million deportees, including were in the gulag? And how! Who were among the prisoners of the Gulag? Begin! Polish citizens, among whom there were thousands of Zionists, were sent from the camps to the Anders army, where the future Prime Minister of Israel ended up. As for the shot Poles and repressed Soviet citizens - the time was like that.

[Liam]

Quote: Krasnodar

As for the shot Poles and repressed Soviet citizens - the time was like that.

It’s not worthwhile to justify with this phrase that it is impossible to justify by any laws. And then there are lovers to justify the Holocaust with these words

[Krasnodar]

Hi! I do not condone - it was a time of repression and genocide, occupation and sawing out of the peaceful people by mass bombing and punitive actions. A statement of fact is not an excuse.

[Liam]

Leaving aside the bombing, which on this list is inappropriate for genocide and mass shooting of prisoners and the "unreliable element", two specific dictatorships were engaged.

[Krasnodar]

Well, how can I say, nothing to do with? )) Non-selective, targeted damage by populated civilians n / a
If you mean that these things are different - I agree. Only the result is quite similar

[Liam]

The bombing is military operations. The shooting of prisoners and the genocide of the Jews is from another opera.)

[Krasnodar]

I agree - purposeful selective, on the basis of citizenship or nationality, destruction of unarmed people. The scale is different. I do not like the regime of repression that reigned in the USSR since 1937, but it cannot be compared to the scale of atrocities with the deliberate cutting out of gypsies, Jews, enslavement of Slavs, etc., practiced by the Nazis then. The class struggle and the racial are very different things, no matter how you try to give them similarities today. Apart from totalitarianism - nothing in common.

[Liam]

Is there a big difference for what an innocent person was at the shooting moat, according to class or nationality?)

[Krasnodar]

Such is great - you can, like my great-grandfather, give your own houses to the village councils and become a former bourgeois respected by the Soviet government or be shot by Germans for a nationality that you cannot change)).
I don’t argue with the murdered

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, it is clear that the introduction of troops into Poland did not aim to save anyone, however, were there 250 thousand people who fled to the USSR from the German zone of occupation? There were.

Not in the USSR, but in the Soviet zone of occupation, which soon became German again.

Quote: Krasnodar

There were. 1,7 million deportees, including were in the gulag? And how! Who were among the prisoners of the Gulag? Begin!

How many of the deportees survived in the "health" camps in the Arctic Circle?

Quote: Krasnodar

As for the shot Poles and repressed Soviet citizens - the time was like that.

What "a"? Israel shot at the same time tens of thousands of Arab prisoners? Tortured hundreds of thousands in the camps? Maybe it's not" time "to blame.

[Krasnodar]

Oleg, again:
According to the Polish Embassy, ​​in the territory of the USSR in its eastern regions in 1942 there were 265.501 Polish citizens. And here we are talking about people who lived before the war in the internal regions of Poland, and not in areas attached to the USSR. It can be assumed that a significant part of them were Jews. If we are talking about 1942, we have in mind the territory not occupied during the Barbarossa by the Wehrmacht.
GULAG - Begin, for example, survived
The Prisoners - https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ הרג_השבויים_והאזרחים_המצרים_בקרב_המיתלה
This is 1956, they were shot not in the thousands, but in the tens, and there was, however, only one case
In the 67th, a dozen surrendered Syrians were shot, and it was worse in the Sinai - 250 prisoners were killed only by Sayeret Shaked, but compared to what the Arabs did in relation to Israeli prisoners of war and the laity are childish pranks.
In the camps? Prisoners consume better than the military personnel guarding them. But, again - now is another time

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

According to the Polish Embassy, ​​in the territory of the USSR in its eastern regions in 1942 there were 265.501 Polish citizens. And here we are talking about people who lived before the war in the internal regions of Poland, and not in areas attached to the USSR. It can be assumed that a significant part of them were Jews. If we are talking about 1942, we have in mind the territory not occupied during the Barbarossa by the Wehrmacht.

Yes, I understood everything the first time. It turns out that the benefactors sent them to the Solovki to save the Poles. Straight "Righteous of the World".

Quote: Krasnodar

GULAG - Begin, for example, survived

Well? Lau survived in Buchenwald. On this basis, we conclude that the Germans saved the Jews in Buchenwald?
Let's not be confused officially recognized fact of the shooting of 21 captured Poles with Rumors about the alleged execution of a dozen Egyptian prisoners. I hope you remember the events in Kafr Kana and the consequences of these events. So "time" has nothing to do with it.

Quote: Krasnodar

Prisoners consume better than the military personnel guarding them. But, again - now is another time

The time is always the same. This is not an excuse. For example, we didn’t slaughter the Jaffa Arabs in the 1940s despite what they did to us.

[Krasnodar]

No, not the righteous of the world. But it’s better to be on Solovki than on Auschwitz.
In the Gulag, people were not imprisoned on ethnic grounds.
What does Kfar Kana and Magav have to do with the Mitle Pass, in which the execution of prisoners was understood by a special commission in 1995?
Polish prisoners ... honestly? I am bad, I am moral, but I do not care for them. Like the Egyptian prisoners and the Syrians trying to surrender.
Not cut out - we are not imprisoned for this .. shit

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

No, not the righteous of the world. But it’s better to be on Solovki than on Auschwitz.
In the Gulag, people were not imprisoned on ethnic grounds.

Radish horseradish is not sweeter. By the way, whole nations were repressed in the scoop. Read how the Chechens were brought to Kazakhstan and how many children were not taken.

Quote: Krasnodar

What does Kfar Kana and Magav have to do with the Mitle Pass, in which the execution of prisoners was understood by a special commission in 1995?

The Commission "Confirmed the Facts"?

Quote: Krasnodar

Polish prisoners ... honestly? I am bad, I am moral, but I do not care for them. Like the Egyptian prisoners and the Syrians trying to surrender.

And I'm different. Fylystyntsev did not let anyone offend, and not because I love them.

Quote: Krasnodar

Not cut out - we are not imprisoned for this .. shit

Finally. It's all about the people, not "such was the time."

[Krasnodar]

1) I read about the deportation of peoples. But in Kazakhstan, no one killed the Chechens. Transportation - yes, organized by bestiality.
2) Of the two episodes, the commission confirmed one
3) Because they didn’t see how they distribute sweets in their villages after the attacks
4) And in the relations between people - in Yeshuv many spoke with Arabs and even made friends

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Israel shot at the same time tens of thousands of Arab prisoners?

why "at the same time", at the time of his formation, "non-Jews" by villages

[Krasnodar]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

Israel shot at the same time tens of thousands of Arab prisoners?

why "at the same time", at the time of his formation, "non-Jews" by villages

Greetings!
Not cut - deported. There was a case similar to the massacre in the village of Dir Yasin, when a lot of myrrh were killed during cleansing - but this was not purposeful - the local militia shot Jews from their own homes, militants of far-right Zionists suppressed the sources of the fire with grenades. The bulk of the non-combatants survived - they were sent to the Jordanians in trucks along with their belongings.

[poquello]

Quote: Krasnodar

Greetings! hi
Not cut - deported.

And you!
For me, it does not matter in general, although it is hard to believe that an isolated case.

[Krasnodar]

Single, because it was at the very beginning of the war Palestinian Arabs heard about him, propaganda fanned it and the locals preferred to make their legs when the Jews pulled enough strength to their settlements

[hagen]

Quote: Krasnodar

In the period from September 1939 to July 1941, 1.173.170 people, 2 representatives of different nationalities: Poles, Ukrainians, Jews, Latvians, Lithuanians and many others were deported from these territories to special settlements according to official data. Moreover, deportation continued even in the early days of the war.

Your native source, unfortunately, does not specify that the removal from the front line of a potentially dangerous non-loyal population is a normal practice of any warring party. In the United States, the Japanese were gathered in camps. You, by the way, in general, stole foreign citizens from overseas countries and shot at your place. Say that everything is within the law? So everything is bent around somewhere, and not for you to crumble a loaf. By the way, your tops understand this and do not speak.

[Krasnodar]

1) So about the expansion of the frontline, I argue with Oleg
2) Did I condemn deportation somewhere?
3) Are you talking about the Israelis? Correctly do that they steal and execute Nazi criminals
4) Crumb baton - in the yard 2020, today only the proletarians, the so-called. thieves for people do not particularly consider.
5) Our tops - Are you talking about the Israeli government? They are not at the top, they are a relatively well-paid servile

[hagen]

Quote: Krasnodar

2) Did I condemn deportation somewhere?

From the phrase you quoted about the USSR invasion of Poland, I realized that you agree precisely with this terminology of negative color events. I disagree. There happened occupation of an abandoned territory, previously owned by the Republic of Ingushetia. If the conviction seemed to me and does not correspond to your embedded thought, then I apologize. I do not understand your thought.

[Krasnodar]

It's okay, don't apologize There are so many posts with conflicting logical constructions that it’s easy to get confused in the thoughts of the authors

[hagen]

Quote: professor

And Moscow, as you know, helped defend General Moroz.

Well, yes, he froze the Germans, and the Russians warmed ...

[Was mammoth]

Quote: professor

And Moscow, as you know, helped defend General Moroz.

Moscow was defended by my uncles. Own lives. Two there are in a mass grave. Russians. I think that the Jews are there.
Did General Frost serve in the Red Army?
It seems not a stupid person. Why are you crap? Or, such a person? Or such an insult to the USSR?
PS "Krasnodar" -support. All the controversy. That's right, you can't rewrite history.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

And Moscow, as you know, helped defend General Moroz.

again stupidity, the speed of advance of the Germans disorganized the armies of the USSR, they managed to concentrate on Moscow, understand how to beat them

[Cyril G ...]

Let's call them proper names - occupied territories.

No, let's name how it really was. The return of forcibly seized territories of Russia. And by the way, did the Baltic states pay? They were not even conquered, but bought from the Swedes once ...

[poquello]

Quote: professor

"territorial acquisitions"? Let's call them their proper names - occupied territories.

in Poland these are unambiguously returned territories

Quote: professor

They did not help in any way.

nonsense, Brest Fortress a month like a pain in the ass, and while the Nazi allies took Karelia, the defense of Leningrad was organized

[unaha]

A moot point. The troops remaining in the fortified areas along the old border could probably delay the attack for a longer period.

[Cyril G ...]

Is the union of Hitler and Dzhugashvile good for Jews and for fertility?

And the union between Chamberlain Daladier and Hitler, how did it turn out for the Jews?

[hagen]

Quote: professor

Is the shooting of 21 Polish prisoners also "for our sake"?

How can you confirm your statements besides political statements? There are court decisions, materials of the completed investigation? It seems that you have enough statements from the truth-seeker Goebbels. Is he your authority in spirit?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Is the shooting of 21 Polish prisoners also "for our sake"?

firstly, it is unknown; secondly, the Poles more ruined our prisoners

[NEXUS]

Quote: professor

I have a different vision of history.

One question is, thanks to whom in general is Israel, as a state, on the world map?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

“Right” or “wrong” does not negate the fact of the attack.

and sho? in 20m the Poles attacked in the 39m USSR returned

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Prof ... It’s time for you to do an autopsy ... Together with a crushed glass enema therapy. Bucket...

[Far B]

Mdya Excuse me, in what place did the USSR attack? Even regardless of whether the Polish government could control something, beside its trips to latrine, the USSR entered the internationally designated Curzon line. Claims to Mr. Curzon

[Professor]

Quote: Dalny V

Excuse me, in what place did the USSR attack?

I forgive you.

Quote: Dalny V

Even regardless of whether the Polish government could control something, beside its trips to latrine, the USSR entered the internationally designated Curzon line. Claims to Mr. Curzon

Of course. After all, he crossed the border by killing Polish border guards. It was he and Hitler who divided Poland. And then he shot 21 Polish prisoners near Smolensk. But I just can’t understand why the protocols were so secret that they could not be found in the archives? After all, listening to you was brave.

[tatra]

That is, you are in favor of Hitler taking over ALL of Poland? Are you for the Russophobic Poles and enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people? And just such as you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, who were for the external enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, squealed that their communists were repressed exclusively "for nothing."

[Cyril G ...]

All right, say it.

[Far B]

Killing the border guards. Pichalka. Violating the order Rydz-Smigly, who said no resistance. Afiget

[qQQQ]

Quote: professor

It was he and Hitler who divided Poland. And then he shot 21 857 Polish people near Smolensk ....

And before that, Poland and Hitler divided Czechoslovakia and offered their services in the attack on the USSR. The facts somehow do not fit very well with the execution of the Poles; it is not for nothing that Poland refuses to conduct a full-fledged investigation. But the fact that the Poles destroyed in the 20s about 80 thousand captured Red Army soldiers is a fact, maybe Poland will answer for it first. And the fact that it is impossible to find in the archives, maybe nothing happened.

[Boris55]

Quote: professor

For the USSR, World War II began on September 17, 1939, when

I am creeping in vague doubts as to what you mean by the term "World War". Is 2-3 states enough for this?

[Siberian54]

The contract that you recalled violated Japan by aggression against a third party, USA.

[Professor]

Quote: Siberian54

The contract that you recalled violated Japan by aggression against a third party, USA.

Was the USSR-Japan treaty trilateral? What an hour is the news.

[Siberian54]

Durka do not include "one of the articles of the treaty read: with the aggression of any contracting party against the third, the treaty becomes null and void. One of the consequences of this article of the treaty was that the border guards of some outposts met the war asleep in barracks, and some of the aircraft with removed weapons

[poquello]

Quote: professor

For the USSR, World War II began on September 17, 1939, when the USSR

I didn’t highlight stupidity in red, I just copied it))))))))))))))))))))

[qQQQ]

Quote: professor

World War II: September 1, 1939 - September 2 ...

And if we discard Western ideology, then why not with the signing of the Munich agreement, or with the Driban of Poland along with Hitler of Czechoslovakia?

[NEXUS]

Quote: professor

when the USSR in collusion with its ally Nazi Germany attacked Poland

Be kind enough to present documents that would prove this nonsense.

Quote: professor

On August 9, 1945, and not the 8th, the USSR treacherously attacked Japan

Treacherously? Do you recall who Japan was in Germany? What are you smoking there, dear ignoramus?
At the Yalta Conference in February 1945, Stalin promised the Allies to enter the Pacific War three months after the end of hostilities in Europe, and kept his word.

For himself, the leader decided everything at least two years before. In May 1943, the construction of the Komsomolsk-Sovetskaya Gavan railway, necessary for the transport of troops and ammunition, began secretly. The Soviet General Staff received the order to prepare the operation in early autumn 1944.

Nevertheless, in Yalta, Stalin forced Roosevelt and Churchill to persuade themselves for a long time, having received important concessions in return.

What I have to go to the Far East, I first learned in the summer of 1944
Marshal Alexander Vasilevsky, from memories
The war declaration note was handed to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow at 17:00 p.m. on August 8. It said that hostilities would begin on the 9th. However, taking into account the time difference in the Far East, the next day came within an hour.
Declared war? They announced ... where is treachery, dear? Or maybe the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor not treacherously?
As they say for what they fought, they ran into something.

[Liam]

Quote: NEXUS

The war declaration note was handed to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow at 17:00 p.m. on August 8. It said that hostilities would begin on the 9th. However, taking into account the time difference in the Far East, the next day came within an hour.

The German ambassador Schulenburg also handed Molotov a German note about the declaration of war an hour before the start of the war. At the same time, the Soviet ambassador to Berlin Dekanozov received a similar note and 2 memorandums with a list of German claims.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

On August 9, 1945, and not the 8th, the USSR treacherously attacked Japan in violation of the non-attack treaty signed with it earlier.

) do you work as a clown today? On the 8th, the USSR declared war on Japan; on the 9th, it attacked the colonial territories of Japan, chopped off from the Republic of Ingushetia in the 1905 war, and not treacherously, but warned back in April.

[unaha]

"If we talk about obsession" - that's what we're talking about. Memory, respect, honest and impartial attitude, conclusions drawn - all this is correct and there is nothing wrong with it. But "obsession" is already something from the field of psychiatry.

[parusnik]

The Great Patriotic War, for all countries in the post-Soviet space, ceased to be a war of the entire Soviet people against Nazism. As it turns out, Georgians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, etc. fought on the side of Russia ... Victory ceased to be general. It was pulled apart in pieces.

[Professor]

It was privatized. They made the event impoverishing.

[Magnat231]

Quote: Far In

Because Mr. Putin cannot offer anything else to the scrupulous. He plays on what his current clique has an extremely negative relation to. The consonance of the names of Putin and Peten has always amused.
War is a great tragedy for everyone. Making her a fetish is unworthy of a man. Damn, even the fucking tsarism did not think of the annual parades in honor of the victory over Napoleon!

That is, May 9th is Putin’s holiday for you ?, but I thought the old one that we remember and remember, the people who gave our lives, for the Victory

[Far B]

If you distort, then do it under the covers. For me it is a great day and a mournful day. A day of remembrance, a day for solitude, for reflection. And not for show. In the anniversary years, as in the USSR, yes, and the USSR had a right. But not Putin and his clique.

[Alsur]

Quote: Far In

Because Mr. Putin cannot offer anything else to the scrupulous. He plays on what his current clique has an extremely negative relation to. The consonance of the names of Putin and Peten has always amused.

About Putin and Pétain, this is a nursery group - "Pedal to the floor". For children of this age, these surnames can be consonant and the presented consonance of these surnames can cause them some associations, laughter, name-calling, small children after all. Adults do not react in this way to appearance, surnames and other external attributes. A person is evaluated by his actions, deeds. But your development was apparently delayed in childhood. In this, you are like some representatives from a neighboring country who cannot afford to spell Putin's surname correctly, they must write with a small letter, with the letter E, instead of And, etc. The same childishness.

[Far B]

The deepest analysis of my personality. I started to cry. My friend, Petka, growl. To send Petkin a jacket? Well, who was close to Putin and Petan?

[tralflot1832]

Fred Vir can be invited to the next parade if he lives of course until May 9, 2021. It turns out that there are Americans who were not infected with Russophobia. There were no blacks in the Red Army. All the peoples of the Soviet Union participated and we never had colonies, so that we blacks have appeared. Let them now disentangle the colonial past.

[Phil77]

Nikolai Georgievich Maria. Morpeh. He died in 1943 at the Sinyavinsky Heights. He is the son of a Portuguese and then Russian citizen / Negro /, who settled in Russia in the 19th century. Well, his mother is Russian.

[tralflot1832]

At the parade it was announced that during the war two Indians were awarded the orders of the Red Star. They are too lazy to look for what. They have a question why there are no blacks in the stands. Previously, they were invited from convoys, maybe someone lived to see these years ..

[Phil77]

Quote: tralflot1832

.Well there were no blacks in the Red Army

I will add that another son, Georgi Georgievich, went through the whole war and survived.

[Poetry]

Well, those who were mean and slimy,
Now they are fighting with dumb obelisks.
If you can’t defeat us in a fair fight,
So the memory must be erased mine and yours ...

That is why the "warriors" are at war with obelisks,
Hungarians with Czechs, Bulgarians and other Poles.
For you and me, they laid the ground under cheese.
I’ll go and bow to the obelisk to the very ground.

[Poetry]

They want to rewrite History and Essence,
They want to take Glory from our Ancestors.
When I think about it, I can’t fall asleep.
All this angers me and angers me not weakly ...

They want to forget like a nightmare
Victory way from the Volga to Berlin.
Forget about those who have perished with the end,
On that path, painful and long.

They would like to take the Victory from us,
So that we already have nothing to be proud of ...
They break our obelisks, Great-grandfather and Grandfather,
Those who did not give up were not Germanized! ..

Spit cynically into the flame of the Eternal Flame
Equalize our people and these executioners.
They said they say the same garbage.
Ours in a row and those filthy sv. Lots!

We wanted to equalize ours with the Wehrmacht,
About the same, Hitler and Stalin.
Our truth is categorically rejected
Everything is cleansed, greased, corrected.

Our truth hurts their eyes,
This truth unbearably cuts the ear.
Our Eternal Fire, it would be better for them to go out ...
But our Man is to rot and let the stew.

May ninth day, it is the most important.
Victory Price: twenty seven million.
The greatest of victories and the most glorious,
Above the terrible power of the black legions.

January 2020 Kingisepp.

[rocket757]

. Rather, we can say that the victory in the Great Patriotic War has become one of the cornerstones of modern Russian civil identity, which has its roots in Soviet identity. Indeed, in one order, Russians and Yakuts, Tatars and Armenians, Jews and Uzbeks went to the front, and the memory of that great war and great victory today allows representatives of all the numerous peoples of the Russian Federation and neighboring countries to feel their involvement in a single historical and cultural community.

A clever man, he explained everything himself!
US does not have a crisis with our memory, the majority, at least. WE WANT TO SAVE IT, we will remind everyone how it was, that this would never happen again!

[Region68]

<<<< WE WANT TO SAVE IT, we will remind everyone how it was, so that it would never happen again! >>>>>>
In that case they say- * Never again *
And many of us happily shout - "We can repeat"

[rocket757]

Shouting different, unreasonable, can from the couch .... the soldier will not say this

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

Shouting different, unreasonable, can from the couch .... the soldier will not say this

And the soldier’s opinion doesn’t really bother them ...

[rocket757]

Hi
And screamers in general, whose opinion cares, except for his own ???
Very similar to that.

[Ilya Nikitich]

Quote: Region68

In that case they say- * Never again *

Excuse me, who says that? These ones?

[cniza]

We don’t have a crisis, but they only have aggression in their heads ...

[iouris]

Let them better think about how to prevent a civil war in the USA, and explain who is to blame and what to do.

[Yury Siritsky]

There is nothing to compare the American Civil War with the Great Patriotic War. We also hardly remember our civil war.

[tihonmarine]

However, according to a number of experts quoted by the American author, increased attention to the events of 75 years ago may also mean a certain “crisis of legitimacy” among the current Russian authorities.

Well, we do not teach Americans how to live, what are their life priorities. And we do not blame them for a "crisis of legitimacy" when they kneel before African Americans, you can lick their boots, and we do not blame them when the blue community flag hangs next to the flag of the "free country". So why climb into our life, accuse us of all sins, when everything goes wrong for ourselves.

[alekseykabanets]

"increased attention to the events of 75 years ago may also mean that the current Russian government has a certain" crisis of legitimacy "
It is hard to disagree.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

The author himself answered his own question.

[To be or not to be]

They do not understand.
.When you go through Siberian villages, then on each house there are 2-3 red stars. This war is in the memory of every family
Now about the official position of the USA
“If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if there is Russia, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible, although I do not want to see Hitler in the winners under any circumstances. None of them hold the promised word. “- Harry Truman 33rd President of the USA 1884 - 1972 On the assistance of the USSR in the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War Source: New York Times, 24.06.1941

Source: https://ru.citaty.net/tsitaty/476957-garri-trumen-esli-my-uvidim-chto-voinu-vyigryvaet-germaniia-nam/

On July 24, Truman informed Stalin that the United States had created an atomic bomb, without saying it directly. In his Potsdam diary, the President wrote: “We have developed the most terrible weapon in the history of mankind ... These weapons will be used against Japan ... so that military objectives, soldiers and sailors are targets, not women and children. Even if the Japanese are wild - merciless, cruel and fanatical, then we, as leaders of the world, for the common good, cannot drop this terrible bomb on either the old or the new capital. " In August 1945, Truman initiated the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After that, US troops occupied Japan. "
It’s a pity that the USA is obsessed only with the idea of ​​destroying countries for America’s strategic interos .. under the guise of promoting democracy and the presence of imaginary threats from countries that do not obey their dictatorship

[cniza]

It’s a pity that the USA is obsessed only with the idea of ​​destroying countries for America’s strategic interos .. under the guise of promoting democracy and the presence of imaginary threats from countries that do not obey their dictatorship

And they can’t do it differently, then they will have to live on their own account ...

[tatra]

In general, the reality is that we are all adult citizens of Russia, obsessed with the entire Soviet period, and we discuss it every day. Patriots - because the USSR is BEST for the country and the majority of the people than RI and the Russian Federation, enemies of Russia and its people and criminals - because slander of the USSR is their only excuse for capturing Russia for 30 years because they are mean and cowardly blame and responsibility on the Soviet people for what they themselves have done under both the Soviet regime and their anti-Soviet, because they have been parasitizing all these 30 years at the expense of the achievements and the Victory of the USSR, because they have NO achievements and victories.

[Mark kalendarov]

Well, first you have to crap ... "madness, victoriousness, obsession and shit" ...
How France celebrates its "Bastille Day" - so not funny, but right and possible ...
that
two-faced ...

[Cyril G ...]

That's it!!!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

And Moscow, as you know, helped defend General Moroz.

What a stupid thing. Accept the Uzbek or something?

[cniza]

Well, yes, the Germans had a frost, and our soldiers had the tropics ...

[Ros 56]

Why pay attention to brainless earhooks. They never defended their homeland, they are simply gopniks and they don’t have to understand with chicken brains what Stalingrad, Leningrad, the Kursk Bulge, the Brest Fortress, Khatyn and much, much more bitter and great.

[cniza]

They only want to eat and sweetly roam, and even just criticize.

[demo]

The indisputable truth is that World War II hit the Soviet Union much more painfully than the other participants ....

The third and maybe the fourth generation will not react so painfully to this terrible event in the history of my country.
My children knew what their grandfather did during the war - he fought. Tankman.
And they knew this not from him, but from my stories.
They knew what their grandmother was doing - she was a member of the labor front. She was still a young 14 year old girl.
They know that their great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers fought in the Baltic Fleet and survived the Siege of Leningrad.
They have an unequivocal attitude towards this terrible war.
And to the actions of their ancestors - the corresponding.
But my grandchildren can no longer be so clearly aware and positioned.
I can’t talk about great-grandchildren.
I will not live.

[cniza]

You know, maybe our great-grandchildren will take it differently, but we who talked with the generation of winners will try to leave our children a memory for a long time.

[hagen]

According to a number of experts quoted by the American author, increased attention to the events of 75 years ago may also mean a certain “crisis of legitimacy” among the current Russian authorities. But is it really so?

The Americans do not understand the deep essence of this war. The Second World War is not just an armed conflict of several coalitions over spheres of influence on the planet. This is a clash of two civilizations. On the one hand, it is the Western European one, based on racial and national oppression, on the assumption of creating prosperity for supermen by oppressing another part of humanity - subhuman. On the other hand - Russian civilization, preaching the priority of equal rights of all nations and nationalities, respect, mutually beneficial cooperation and social progress. And this, coupled with scale, World War II is fundamentally different from all other wars. Unfortunately, it must be noted that the end of hostilities in 1945, this confrontation did not end. But the war showed that the cannibalistic Western European civilization has a worthy rival.

[immobile2008]

We are not obsessed, this is our memory! Possessed by war, thieves' power, they get points in the fight against an imaginary threat to memory, this is their last chance to hold on to power. The memory in each of us, it does not take away from us!

[cniza]

This is not just our memory, this is our credo and all that we have, we can not do otherwise ...

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Tatiana Sementsova

we’ll seem to be older, wiser ...

The reasoning about one's own wisdom is amusing. 'Wondering that there is no confirmation of this' ©

[cniza]

There have even been phrases about Russia's "obsession" with World War II.

Our dear partners, who are not at all partners to us, if you at least survived for a minute that we were, you would not be there for a long time ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

For us, there is no 2MB, there is the Great Patriotic War with Japan. That's when these ... lose 27 million they will understand what the war for their homeland means. If they had once participated in a war similar to the Great Patriotic War, they would not have climbed to everyone.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: professor

September 17, 1939 USSR in conspiracy with his ally Nazi Germany attacked Poland. This is a medical fact. Attempts to justify the attack do not alter this fact.


On August 9, 1945, the USSR treacherously attacked Japan in violation of the non-attack treaty signed with it earlier. The reasons for the attack do not change this fact.

Isn’t it embarrassing for Filkin to post a letter and lead the questionable production of Dr. Goebbels' newsreels? already right so many showdowns of this dubious "documentary" was that people laugh?

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

And it did not concern them! Nobody bombed their cities. The second front was opened only because of the fear that the Red Army would occupy the whole of Europe, it would be socialist! America will lose its influence in Europe!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: professor

Quote: Siberian54

The contract that you recalled violated Japan by aggression against a third party, USA.

Was the USSR-Japan treaty trilateral? What an hour is the news.

Yes, the comrade is clearly out of sorts

[Irina Komolova]

Russia is not "obsessed" by the Second World War. but the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR.

[beer-youk]

Who, besides the USSR, fought against the rest of the world and won ?! How to forget it and how not to be proud of it! And let others envy - they have not been given that. Have pity on them - wretched!