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American "nukes" and our "maslopupy": the "inner kitchen" of US and Russian submarines

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A meeting of personnel at which one of the NUBs receives "dolphins". Submarine Rhode Island (USS Rhode Island)


On June 16, 2020, in The Drive magazine, under the heading of The War Zone, an article was published by a former sonar speaker from a nuclear submarine of the US Navy Aaron Emik "Nukes, Nubs And Coners: The Unique Social Hierarchy Aboard A Nuclear Submarine". We’ll give the translation of the name a little later, after the translation of the slang names of the posts, specialties and status of the submariners that are mentioned in this name. The article itself is devoted to an informal hierarchy among American submariners.

The service in the submarine of the US Navy is gloomy from the word "completely." For Russian readers, for example, there will be news the fact that some American submariners experience post-traumatic disorders after service. Accidents with human casualties there, in general, happen, they just usually secret them, military operations against countries with which America does not officially fight, happen too. Boats often return from combat services with torn pieces of sound-absorbing hull cover.

You don’t have to laugh, this is the result of the widespread use of large moves at submarine transitions, due to the fact that they are simply not enough in the US Navy (and those that are, and their crews, are often used for wear). Well, about the fact that on their boats in bunks they sleep in turns in several shifts, the Russian reader, in general, knows.

But Emik, already a retiree, like all retirees, remembers mostly good and funny, and you just can't write about really interesting things to him, so first - a humorous fun look at the American melt.

Useless bodies and other interesting people


So, any newcomer to an American submarine is called a NUB, or Non-Usable Body, which translates as "useless body." It doesn’t matter if it is an officer or a sailor. Any newbie is a NUB (read and pronounced "En-U-B", spell).

NUBs are treated with undisguised disdain: after all, they spend space, water and air on themselves, giving nothing in return. The life of a NUB is somewhat easier if it is a “Hot runner”, “Hot runner”, that is, “undermined” to perform simple tasks that are set for it, and in general is generally initiative.

The NUB has about a year to master the knowledge necessary for him and begin to truly serve. At the first stage, when a newcomer gets acquainted with the boat, the crew can “eat” it - just do not help him and do not give the officers positive feedback.

In the future, the NUB will learn to navigate aboard, learn how to deal with an accident, and learn how to fight for survivability without prompting from other crew members, constantly demonstrating their knowledge to experienced colleagues and commanders.

In the end, the NUB, often dressed in a full set of protective fire equipment, with a breathing apparatus, goes through the entire boat and passes an oral exam to an experienced sailor on absolutely any system that he meets on the way, showing where, what and how to turn on, how to act in case of an emergency that turn off and shut off.

Then the NUB needs to ensure that officers and sailors, who can test new recruits by their position, find time for him and take exams from him. This is also not easy, even organizing such an exam for yourself requires a lot of effort and time. Often NUBs “put down” the commission, buying various cakes and cookies for the exam, but this is more likely a tribute to tradition.

After a five-hour “interrogation”, the NUB, if successful, becomes a man. In case of failure in the exam, he will have another attempt, after failure in which the NUB will be dismissed from the submarine. But this is a rarity, basically everyone goes through this selection.

The last stage is a personal conversation with one of the senior officers of the boat, who decides whether this person is finally fit for service or not. If so, then personally the boat commander hands him the "dolphins" - the breastplate of the submariner. Now he is not a NUB, he has become his own and, as a hallmark, may no longer wear a uniform cap while on board.

Now he is waiting for a direction in one of the large crews of the Nukes or Coners crew.

“Nuke” from the word “Nuclear” means “nuclear,” it is a slang word that can mean anything nuclear — a bomb, for example. “Nuclear” are those who are responsible for the movement of the boat, officers and sailors who serve the reactor, turbines, turbo-gear units and in general everything that makes the boat move. Emik jokes that those who have decided to realize the Star Trek series in reality go to Nyuki. They are head over heels in math and datasets and eat at the same table as Chief Petty officers.

The "nukes" that serve the reactors, the "nukes" -electrics, and the "nukes" -mechanics are different "nukes." The first of them look like “geeks”, obsessed with technology and computers, the second - like chameleons, can even get lost in the crew photo, and the third - hefty, smelling machine oil thugs, standing their six-hour watch in the hot and noisy compartments in the stern.

American "nukes" and our "maslopupy": the "inner kitchen" of US and Russian submarines

"Nudes" study the scheme of submarine systems

The space of the “nudes” ends where the compartments with their equipment end, usually a reactor compartment. Then begins the space, which, regardless of its actual shape and number of compartments, is called “Cone” - “Cone” (apparently this name appeared on old boats of the US Navy, the hull of which narrowed to the bow more or less evenly along the length of the boat). In the "cone" live "Cone" - "Coners". All submariners are taken to this group, regardless of their specialty, except, of course, “nukes”.

The world of “Cone” is America in miniature, a section of society. But since those who theoretically may not fit into it are “eaten up” by the crew at the stage of the “Larva of the Submariner” - NUB, everyone gets along well with each other and interact normally. In the world of "cones" we find "torpedo guys", and acoustics, and navigators, as on any submarine in the world.


Typical "nukes" check the performance of the equipment of the Central post of submarines

There are radio operators, the only people besides the boat commander who have at least sometimes some personal space. Acoustics are the freest people on the boat, they can just sit silently and do noise spectrum analysis during a shift, or just listen to the world through headphones. No one else has this level of freedom on the boat. In “revenge” they have to wear the nickname “sonar girls” (“sonar” - a submarine’s sonar station).

A special zone is the Sherwood Forest: a missile compartment with ballistic missiles, where rocket technicians work, constantly monitoring the microclimate in rocket mines and generally monitoring the main weapons boats.


"Sherwood Forest" from missile silos of the American SSBN

Apart from these are the A-Gangers (roughly the “Atomic Fast Horse”), the technicians responsible for ventilation, air regeneration, diesel generators and other supporting systems, including latches. This is in some way the “black labor” of the submarine, as Emik writes, “a mixture of“ nuclear waste ”, that is, a sailor who could not stand the school of training for sailors in the reactor compartment and a diesel mechanic from some seedy place.” Well, or like a non-evolutionary "nuke" mechanic, but "with a reserve."

There are also quite unusual people for Russians - Yeomen. Yeomen is a kind of clerk, a person trained to quickly type commands and texts on a keyboard. They hang all the paper work of the U.S. Navy. Usually, yeomen is the “right hand” of senior officers, saving them from routine and freeing up time for command.


Yeomen 2nd class Tara Spencer. She is not from a submarine, but we could not resist. Photos from the tender of the USS Frank Cable SSBN, VMB Apra Harbor, Guam

The most popular and respected by all members of the crew "cone" is, of course, ship's cook. It is hardly necessary to explain something here.

Now it’s becoming clear that the title of Emik’s article “Nukes, NUBs and Konusniks: a unique social hierarchy aboard a nuclear submarine” becomes clear.

This is what the informal division in the American submarine looks like. And what about us?

And we, oddly enough, are very similar.

"Suites", "maslopupy" and the entire depth of our depths


If the American submarine is divided into “nukes” and “cones” (NUBs are not submariners, but their larvae, we won’t count them), then ours are “mechanics” and “suites”. "Mechanics" is the personnel of the warhead-5 (electromechanical warhead). On diesel-electric submarines, due to the specifics of the main power plant and the side effects of working with it, the personnel of the БЧ-5 are often referred to as a much brighter name - "masloopups".

However, on the one hand, on some "diesel engine" they can still be mechanics, on the other - and on some nuclear submarines they were oil-filled. These traditions are alive, they evolve, and over the years everything changes, and at different fleets there are differences.

BCh-5 on nuclear submarines is divided into divisions: 1st movement, 2nd electrotechnical and 3rd hold.

The word “maslopup” is funny, like jokes about “hold”, but it directly depends on these people whether the boat will return from the campaign or not. Situations when the reaction of officers, midshipmen and sailors of the BS-5 depended on whether the boat would die or not, in our submarine, alas, were often. Including in modern times.

There were also tragic cases when sailors from the BS-5 were killed, saving their ships and comrades. Such here they are, "maslopupy".

All the rest who are on the submarine are “suites”.

In the bow of the boat (or closer to the bow, if it is, for example, “Ash” or “Ash-M”) in the torpedo compartment, the personnel of the BC-3 - mine-torpedo warhead — are serving their service.

In its composition there are sailors of different ranks, but in any case for the rest they are “miners”. And the Miner also commands them, just with a capital letter. They may have cruise missiles, anti-submarine missiles, guided torpedoes in the ammunition, and mines may not be, it doesn’t matter. "Miners" - and the point. By the way, they are not called “Romanians” of underwater “miners”; it is a nickname for sailors from surface ships.


The tremendous economy of the "miners" and their commander "Miner" on the submarine, pr. 941

In the warhead-1, navigational warhead, also has its own hierarchy. For example, the boatswain and the boatswain team of steering-signalmen are “rudders,” and the young and inexperienced navigator officers are “navigators.” In general, the warhead-1 is a "navigator."

Missile warhead-2 is often the "Chinese". According to legend, this nickname arose because of the terrible tightness of the rocket compartments on the first diesel submarines with ballistic missiles. I must say that this nickname is not used everywhere.


The leading channel "Star" in the abode of the "Chinese" on board the Strategic Rocket Forces, etc. 955

БЧ-4 (communications) and 7 (lighting of the situation and management), as well as services (for example, supplies or chemicals) cannot boast of such specific nicknames (however, this is unlikely to upset anyone). But intelligence, OCHAS, is always “canary.” I must say that this title contains a rather gloomy irony, but that's how we got it. And he commands the Canaris, of course, the Canaris.

Fate is not chosen.

Do we have analogues of American NUBs? No, the process of “incorporating” a submariner into the service on our boats was built differently. And here it’s worth stopping the joke. You should look at some things from a serious angle.

Initial clearance and continued service


Despite training at schools and training centers (junior staff) and naval schools (officers), with the arrival of a new crew member in a submarine, he will be given credit papers on the specialty and structure of the ship and training on survivability.

Note: according to the current regulatory documents, the credit record for a specialty without a closed credit score for the device of the ship does not have legal force. However, this situation in the Russian Navy is very often violated, moreover, as a rule, in relation to officers. The younger team is under severe pressure - and low status (persons without access), and the fact that while the unauthorized occupies the staff, other crew members carry out shifts and duties for him.

There could be problems with the junior staff due to insufficient education, but this is already in the past, now there is no longer any urgent service in the submarine, and since the mid-2000s, while they were still there, they began to be selected for the submarine, and their level Education has grown markedly. In addition, in a good crew with a well-trained personnel training system, a young sailor of the “village tractor driver” level in about a couple of months became a fully trained submariner. True, for this he did not study only when he slept and “waved a spoon” in the galley, the rest of the time it was a continuous and tough preparation.

By the way, the transition to manning crews with contract sailors eliminated yet another unofficial hierarchy - the anniversary of bullying.

Note: the training of personnel on the device of the ship and the struggle for survivability is carried out not only by "their own superiors", a very important role is played by the preparation of the duty service on the ship

The situation with the officers recently was quite common when an officer could be a group commander, a lieutenant commander, but still could not close the record on the ship.

In many ways, this led to the separation between the "mechanics" and the "suites" in our sub-melting (in relation to the latter, it was understood that for them the "screws begin behind the galley").

At the same time, the requirements for knowledge of the ship for "luxury specialties" in some cases were not lower than for "mechanics", and this primarily concerned officers of the watch officer category (usually an assistant commander, commander of a mine torpedo and missile warheads and torpedo group commander) and the ship’s duty officer (or his assistant), from any category of officers who passed tests and were admitted by order.

The very fulfillment of these duties required good knowledge not only of “mechanical issues”, but also of leadership and the struggle for survivability, including in the "feed" (mechanical compartments). The situation when the "suites" are in an emergency party, working in the compartments where the submarine's power plant is located, is quite standard. This also applies to the reactor compartment.


"Suites" in their natural habitat. Central post of a nuclear submarine

Closing the record on the ship (and admission to duty) is a very important “status” issue in the crew, and the officer’s direct “application” for a future career. This is not only an exam so much as the ability and willingness to take and bear responsibility not only for oneself, subordinates, but the whole ship.

For example, the last question when admitting one of the authors of the article to the ship was the question of the starpom on the "emergency exit of the ship from the attack of cruise missiles at the base." The submariners will be able to evaluate the issue (going far beyond the limits of “required knowledge” and “permitted by the hands of the docs” for a young lieutenant, even a ship duty officer). He answered successfully and unconventionally, and most importantly, he was ready to act in this way in a real situation.

All this was imposed by very stringent requirements of the State Supervision Inspectorate for Nuclear and Radiation Safety (GII for Nuclear and Radiation Safety), introduced after a series of severe nuclear accidents at the Navy of the USSR.

For example, one of the authors of this article, arriving at his first submarine, did not manage to get to his first compartment, when he was called to the central post and sent for practical training in the equipment room of the nuclear reactor, and the next day he “delved” into the squadron headquarters in Navy nuclear accidents (with a good “piece” of the theory of nuclear physics).

Here it is necessary to note the problem of “narrow specialization” of the officers - the legacy of mass military service on our ships before and often the weaknesses of the midshipmen.

The officer trained as a narrow specialist, and often from the first days of service, he needed a wide knowledge of related issues, a thorough study of which was not provided for by the programs of the schools.

Separately, it is necessary to note the problem of training acoustics, where experience is very important, but the fact of the career growth of acoustics officers made it difficult to obtain (and then discounted this experience). There was a frequent situation when a “classy acoustics” was a “raider” who was not kicked out of the RF Armed Forces just because he is a classy acoustics and does amazing things at sea.

It is also necessary to highlight one staffing unit, which the US Navy does not have.

The Zampolitians


Two illustrative quotes from experienced and respected submarine officers.

One:

When I was a submarine commander, in our division 70% of the political leaders were drunkards and womanizer, including on my boat. All the heads of the political departments that I knew can be characterized as drunkards, womanizer, thieves, careerists and big BAGS.

The second:

... different people met. I remember one of our deputy. He came to us from Bechevinki. From Warsaw (DEPL, in this case, project 877. - Auth.). Did not enter the Academy. Lenin. Well, he was sent from diesel engines to ships. We stood in a factory in Seldeva.
What did he do one of the first. He organized an excursion for families on the submarine, which at that time was in the dock, with a subsequent trip to Paratunka, to the sources. In winter, beauty. But that is not the point.
Performing the duties of the CFSP, in the evening at the dock, on the second factory shift, in the CPU, I observe such a picture. Submarine on the submarine stands, foreman of the bilge team. And then the deputy calls him and asks to show and tell him about the main drainage line. With all the pumps and pumps, Gogol with the auditors is resting, the CPU has a mute scene. The foreman shows him that he is crawling with him and writes everything down in the workbook of a submarine officer. It turns out later, he teaches the ship ... and not only the D-3, but also communicates with the officers and midshipmen D-1 and D-2 (battalion BS-5. - Auth.).
Further - more, the ship is driven out of the factory, and upon arrival in the division the ship is transferred to the horseless linear crew, and we fly to the CA, in Komsomolsk. Well, I see ... but at the KBR the deputy begins to draw a picture of maneuvering the submarine and the target assigned by the commander in order to have a visual picture. Yeah ... it looks like a fairy tale ... in a tavern, under a glass, it turns out that the officer was starting his service in Magadan, on old diesels. I do not remember, but, apparently, the 613th project. And there he stood as an officer. Plus, he participated in the transition of these submarines to Vladivostok for cut. In short, omitting the details of Aivazovsky, at this passage, they slurped more than one 9th rampart. And what didn’t enter the academy, so from his words, when asked, there are different questions.
He said what to do for the good of the Fatherland and the good of the cause. I do not remember literally, but the meaning is the same.
Well, they wrapped him up, from the academy, and sent him to the steamers ... Yeah, and also, in the division, when the chief (political department head) found out about his zeal, in the study of iron, he was called and told. That all the animals in the forest are equal, but some animals are more equal ... Mikhail Removich, study your brain l / s, and do not learn the device of the ship. I don’t know how it ended with him with a nachpo, but we left for Primorye ...

Of interest is the American experience with the attempt to introduce “political leaders” in the crews of US Navy submarines, described by the first commander of the Nautilus submarine Andersen: having decided that because of the long stay under water the crew “will have problems”, the command landed a “specialist on such problems ”(Of a psychologist), as a result, the only person with“ problems ”turned out to be ... the psychologist himself is the only loafer on board.

Summing up, it is necessary to answer the obvious question: who has the best level of training - ours or the US Navy? In our opinion, “on average” the US Navy formed a much more optimal submarine training system, but this is true for the “average level”.

An unjustified emphasis on “mechanical” issues (often due to “tactical” ones) often leads to the stereotyped actions of US Navy submarines (or even erroneous ones in difficult tactical situations). A simple example: to become a commander of an American nuclear submarine, you need to undergo special training in working with a nuclear reactor, which takes a lot of time and makes an officer practically an engineer for the maintenance and repair of nuclear power plants. This is commendable, but the commander must first learn to fight. And when will he do it?

While the Americans “move on to technology,” their superiority is technical, they rely on technology that is ahead of the enemy simply in the era. They have no extraordinary level of tactical skills.

But with all the problems with the “average level of training”, we had outstanding crews, the commanders of which even with the worst equipment allowed us to withstand the US submariners with dignity.

True, to realize all the capabilities of our personnel often still did not work out because of worse equipment than the enemy, and in a real war in an extremely acute form there would be a backlog in weapons (torpedoes). But this, as they say, is completely different история...
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  1. Lebed
    Lebed 29 June 2020 05: 15 New
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    Very interesting. thank goodEverywhere its own specifics
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 56 New
      17
      Please, we tried.
      1. Subtext
        Subtext 29 June 2020 12: 22 New
        13
        About the commanders of the compartments - not a word! Authors, are you definitely submariners?
        Yes, chemists - "chemosis", "dusts". By the way, super-writer Pokrovsky, a chemist, this must be taken into account as an amendment to him, as a submariner ...
        1. Subtext
          Subtext 29 June 2020 12: 26 New
          19
          Zampolit: rocket launchers - the leading warhead on the ship!
          Starpom: the leading warhead is the navigator, the lucky ones are mechanics, the rest are traveling!
        2. timokhin-aa
          29 June 2020 12: 31 New
          +3
          One author is a submariner, the second is not.
          There are differences on different fleets / ships.
          1. Subtext
            Subtext 29 June 2020 16: 09 New
            +7
            Missile warhead-2 is often the "Chinese". According to legend, this nickname arose because of the terrible tightness of the rocket compartments on the first diesel submarines with ballistic missiles.

            The Chinese missiles, this is an echo of the last century, when there were no missiles, and there were many Chinese, but less than a billion.
            What is it?
            Battleship (or cruiser), gunners:
            - division of the main caliber, 3-4 towers of ~ 50 people .;
            - A division of universal caliber, 10-12 towers of about 15 people. in each (with lower cellars);
            - anti-aircraft caliber division, a herd of anti-aircraft guns, calculation of people. 7-10.
            In total, China
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 29 June 2020 18: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Subtext
              - division of the main caliber, 3-4 towers of ~ 50 people .;
              - A division of universal caliber, 10-12 towers of about 15 people. in each (with lower cellars);
              - anti-aircraft caliber division, a herd of anti-aircraft guns, calculation of people. 7-10

              It looks like Project 68-bis on "Shura Nevsky" ... There were a lot of people there ...
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      2. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 29 June 2020 13: 03 New
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        Quote: Subtext
        Pokrovsky, a chemist, this must be taken into account as an amendment to it, as a submariner ...

        In this respect, Ovechkin's "Sharks from Steel" was much more liked. Moreover, the author himself is from the "mechanical" divisional commanders, from the divisional division commander of vitality. These are practically all general ship systems hanging on you. I had a VIM KJ. The smoker is avid. He, young and snotty VO, trained me. We did it well.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 29 June 2020 16: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Andrey NM
          Ovechkin's "Sharks from Steel" were much more pleasant.

          Edward writes good stories, it’s nice to read.
          Pokrovsky wrote the book "Shoot!" in very
          hard times, and she fell into the suit, so
          everything around was bad.
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 29 June 2020 17: 34 New
            +8
            Pokrovsky in "Shoot" describes in fact the Soviet period. He served in Gadzhievo from 1976 to 1986, then transferred to St. Petersburg, in 1991 he quit. His books are good, but the humor is dark, grotesque. And Ovechkin just sipped in full the collapse of the country and the fleet during his service, he served in the Western Litsa. But his stories are really good and in the end give the reader hope for a good outcome and the opportunity to think of a sequel somewhere. Sometimes there is some kind of naivety, or something, but it is easy and pleasant to read. Well, we also at different times crossed paths with the same officers and commanders, whom I immediately recognized, although Ovechkin does not give their names in his stories, but described them accurately. I asked him later, what are they? He confirmed.
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 29 June 2020 18: 20 New
              +5
              I have seen everything during the service - and the Soviet heyday
              The Navy, and the time of decay, and even the time of the attempt to revive. But
              I like Ovechkin more, although Pokrovsky is the founder,
              and everything in his first book is true.
              But submariners are always difficult ...
        2. 955535
          955535 2 July 2020 11: 34 New
          +1
          Eduard, in order to expand the readership, wrote everything in a somewhat exaggerated context. Grotesque and hyperbole. And housewives take it at face value.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 29 June 2020 05: 44 New
    +7
    Awesome good
    Thanks to the authors hi
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 56 New
      10
      Please, we tried.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 June 2020 07: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Please, we tried.

        Very well tried hi
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 29 June 2020 19: 53 New
          +6
          The best article today on VO.
          I noticed that when such articles appear, there are many comments from "experts" and "pros", which are always interesting to read. hi
  • Grits
    Grits 29 June 2020 06: 11 New
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    In the photo of the central post of our ship in the background is the control panel of the ship's motion control system "Korund". That is, the rudders. I spent 9 years setting up this system.
    The batsman and the bosun sits at the console. He is most often only behind the handle of the vertical steering wheel and is often even a seasoned conscript
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 52 New
      +1
      There are no conscripts now
      1. Grits
        Grits 29 June 2020 09: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        There are no conscripts now

        Well, right. There was no particular sense from them. And the desire to learn too. Especially after the service was transferred from the Soviet 3 years to 1 year.
        In the 90s, when I worked on the nuclear submarines they were still there. True, not much at all. Basically - a galley, a tidy, less often a shift in some kind of post is not very important.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 30 June 2020 18: 16 New
          +5
          There wasn’t much use for them


          Conscript conscript strife. This can be said about midshipmen and officers (to a lesser extent, after all). Everyone performed their duties. If he could not, others did it for him. They came across mostly sensible ones. But there was an oddity with the schedule (staff) of personnel "in general". For example: who feeds the crew? That's right, coca. We had only three in the supply service: the foreman of the supply team (midshipman), the senior cook instructor (midshipman) and the cook (sailor). And this is for the entire crew of a large nuclear cruising, etc. submarine. And four meals a day for three combat shifts. The question begs itself: how can three people provide this physically? But none. So the staff on our nuclear submarines, although less than that of the amers, but the messengers were taken to the sea additionally. Several conscripts were seconded. From the first and sixth compartments, one person was taken (the rest carried a two-shift) to the galley to help.
          I would like to look in the eyes of the one who developed this staffing.
          1. Вольтер
            Вольтер 30 June 2020 22: 04 New
            +3
            I agree, sensible conscripts were brought up in a solid building. If there is a head on the shoulders - sensible was born quickly. And as for the staffing table - in the process of designing a submarine this is almost the last stage, which is already being implemented according to a ready-made design solution. After all, a submarine is a weapon and a specific one. Submariners, like military men, bear all the hardships and deprivations of service.
            We had no problems and did not take "extra" waiters on board, and to help the galley there acted by alternating several fighters of the free combat shift (for example, getting free from classes / training or small tidying)
          2. Grits
            Grits 2 July 2020 04: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: Podvodnik
            The question begs itself: how can three people physically provide this? But no.

            I always wondered how sailors and midshipmen in the galley manage to feed such a horde of hungry men? When do they rest at all ?. Indeed, in the tests, in addition to the crew on the ship, there are still the same number of civilian transfer crews. And shifts smoothly flow one into another without interruptions practically.
            1. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 2 July 2020 08: 27 New
              +1
              When do they rest at all


              Wizards in one word.
              When I was interested in this issue, they explained that the designer was laying something like "space" food. I took out the set, poured water, warmed it up in the oven and it was ready. But life has shown that there is no money for this. Or sorry. Left "as it was". Divers and get out as best they can.
            2. 955535
              955535 2 July 2020 11: 38 New
              +3
              During the tests, civilian specialists are also included in the galley outfit, because almost three hundred people are not realistic to feed. In the dining room and wardroom, meals are taken in four stages and evening tea is canceled.
    2. Leha667
      Leha667 29 June 2020 11: 11 New
      +7
      I remember that when trimming in Zhirova, the steering wheel pumps got up, and the boatswain dulled and did not switch to the ship's hydraulic system. I then commanded the 8th compartment. There was a feeling that the feed was sinking, and the nose was floating. Unusual)))
      The stern bubble saved the situation, the officer on Titan reacted in time.
      1. timokhin-aa
        29 June 2020 12: 00 New
        +3
        At your Pacific Fleet the "loaf" almost went to the bottom in a similar way. Only there was an accident.
      2. Grits
        Grits 29 June 2020 15: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Leha667
        I remember that when trimming in Zhirova, the steering wheel pumps got up, and the boatswain dulled and did not switch to the ship's hydraulic system. I then commanded the 8th compartment. There was a feeling that the feed was sinking, and the nose was floating. Unusual

        In principle, there isn’t much difference - to work from NPP (variable displacement pump) or from SSG (marine hydraulics). Simply, the SSG is not the regular work of the rudders, but just in case. So the boatswain did everything right. The only thing that from the SSG the boatswain sees only the angle of deviation of the rudder feather on the instrument. And he does not see another situation, including data on the trim. Therefore, it is difficult to catch a zero for trim.
      3. 955535
        955535 2 July 2020 11: 42 New
        0
        A very strange way to get submarines. One could gain at the expense of stern rudders, the bearing capacity of which is much more than chopping wheels, level the trim and choose the optimal speed for the balancing mode. The boatswain and WIM are poorly trained.
        1. Leha667
          Leha667 3 July 2020 18: 54 New
          +1
          That is all true. But there are a few points.
          The speed is small.
          The depth is shallow, to the ground a few tens of meters.
          Count for seconds. It’s quicker and more reliable to blow the feed group of the Central City Hospital and then to sort it out.
          1. 955535
            955535 4 July 2020 00: 31 New
            -1
            Usually, when sailing with a shallow depth, under the keel, they keep a normal reserve for a couple, for emergency running
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 29 June 2020 06: 15 New
    11
    On Russian boats, service and jien are not sweeter than American .......... Gubasty-albeit African-complete absence ....
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 30 June 2020 17: 17 New
      +4
      On Russian boats, service and life are not sweeter than American


      The only thing we, in my opinion, lack is theirs "yeomen". Autonomy goes to completion, so all of us sit down to reports. And the commander with a secretary, navigator, hydroacoustics, mechanics. They sit, transfer the paper. Coordinate time, bearing and everything else. As far as I remember, the only ones not involved in the reports are "calculators" (BIUSniks). It distracts everything from the case. Did anyone read them at all, these reports after they were handed over to the secretary? Give a couple of "writers" and let them scribble what they need. And then the impression was that the main result of the autonomous system is a correctly designed and composed report. And what actually happened there might not get into the father.
      1. RoTTor
        RoTTor 7 July 2020 20: 16 New
        +1
        Zampollitra to use it
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 8 July 2020 10: 28 New
          0
          Zampollitra to use it


          So he had his own report. By the way, he collected all our war leaflets and wall newspapers for a report on the work done by them. Which we made were from the heart and to the cause. To whom you tell, they will be surprised. Submariners? Offline? Battle sheets and wall newspapers? They had nothing to do or what? Children?

          We had something to do. But all this was painted on our own initiative and not at all from under the stick, there were many. Indeed, without humor, it will be sad and live to serve. The people never passed by. Read, laughed. Ideas threw up.
          Ehhhh, the sea ....
  • Free wind
    Free wind 29 June 2020 07: 14 New
    +6
    Interesting of course. On the submarines, it seems everyone has a bed. Amer’s submariners are volunteers, and pass a bunch of tests for psycho-resistance. The service is certainly not easy. It’s interesting how the control works, I thought something like a steering wheel like on an airplane.
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 55 New
      +6
      In the United States, there is one bed for 2-3 people.
      1. BastaKarapuzik And
        BastaKarapuzik And 26 August 2020 19: 16 New
        0
        This is unusual and unusual. I never thought that this is possible in principle.
        A person has no corner of his own at all ?! Shock.
        What else, perhaps, has passed by like this?
        For example water? Shower?
    2. Grits
      Grits 29 June 2020 09: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Free Wind
      It’s interesting how the control works, I thought something like a steering wheel like on an airplane.

      The control panel (in the photo it is, only the backs of the divers are closed) there are 3 control knobs - a simple lever with a ball-shaped "knob". 2 for horizontal rudders (stern and cutting) and one for vertical. Horizontal moves from "zero" forward - backward, and vertical from "zero" - to the right and left. In the photo you can see the round dials. They show the deflection angle of the three rudders in degrees. And, of course, the depth, trim, course (true and target), speed and mechanical setters for the course and depth for the machine.
      But the amers - really the helm.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 June 2020 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      The service is certainly not easy.

      Service in any fleet is not easy, but especially underwater.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 29 June 2020 07: 23 New
    12
    I liked the article.
    I love about the "inner life" of submariners,
    and if also with humor, like Ed. Ovechkin, then the prices
    there are no such stories.
    Interestingly, many submariners believe that
    the worst thing is to fly over the sea, but the pilots
    They think that the most difficult service is for submariners.
    Thank you.
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 52 New
      +6
      You are welcome. We tried our best.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 29 June 2020 08: 10 New
        +8
        Don't stop talking about "human life"
        in the Navy, very interesting and informative.
        1. timokhin-aa
          29 June 2020 10: 09 New
          +3
          I wonder who slammed you minus ...
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 29 June 2020 10: 15 New
            +1
            I do not even know...
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 10: 18 New
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        You are welcome. We tried our best.

        And as it turned out not in vain.
        I know a little about the training of Wehrmacht officers, I know about the training of officers of the Red Army
        But I would like more details.
        You will not have a desire to cover this issue?
        1. timokhin-aa
          29 June 2020 12: 00 New
          +3
          I do not own the subject from the word at all.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 29 June 2020 12: 29 New
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            I do not own the subject from the word at all.

            There is no court. hi
    2. Grits
      Grits 29 June 2020 09: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Bez 310
      I love about the "inner life" of submariners,
      and if also with humor, like Ed. Ovechkin, then the prices
      there are no such stories.

      Find books by Alexander Pokrovsky - you won't regret it. You can laugh heartily, it is written sparklingly and cheerfully. The first book, if memory serves, is called "Shoot". There are short funny stories about submariners. By the way, the film "72 meters" based on these stories
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 29 June 2020 09: 46 New
        +8
        I read all the books of Pokrovsky, but I liked only
        the first - "Shoot!" Our political officer regiment even on MLP
        I read aloud to the officers this book, which he stole from me.
        The rest has a lot of vulgarity, malice, and frank
        "rehash" of the first book. But this is an "amateur" business ...
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 29 June 2020 07: 31 New
    18
    Somehow came to Vladivostok, the year that way in the 90th, the cruiser Princeton. This was generally the first visit to the USSR. Everyone was allowed to visit him. Well, I went to look ... They let it in, of course, not everywhere - the deck, the central aisle, and that's it. What did you like? Factory painting of all elements, absence of combustible materials in the corridors ("Minsk" is the reception room of the plant director), deck (!) - polymer non-slip coating. I just wanted to scream like Leskovsky Lefty - they don't clean guns with bricks! And we? We rub the deck with graphite (and where it was taken so much). The deck is black, the corridors are all black, the cockpits are black, the handrails are black, the arms are black ... and Kuzbasslak, wherever you can reach with a brush! The crew at the hatches and doors is standing where it is not supposed to, the visitors are not allowed. The sprout is not all big, chubby cheeks, careless, such. I didn’t like the dress uniform; Soviet materials (officers') are much more solid. And so, passing in the corridor past an open hatch, I looked into it, and there I came across an American little slicker running past in a faded blue robe. His eyes, look, are still in front of me - they are the same as us, only without a tail! This look could be seen on any of our steamers, somewhere between the galley and the foremen's quarters.
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 07: 54 New
      11
      His eyes, eyes, are still in front of me - they are just like us, only without a tail!


      Yes there is such an effect. The tortured look of a serviceman is a universal feature.
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 29 June 2020 10: 27 New
        +3
        This view is only in the first period of service, since you are constantly under presing, physical and moral.
    2. Grits
      Grits 29 June 2020 09: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Somehow I arrived in Vladivostok, in the 90th year, the cruiser Princeton. It was generally the first visit to the USSR.

      I remember this thing. True, Canadian ships first came. A year somewhere in 88 or 89. And then there were Americans. Canadians liked it - strong handsome men in colored tattoos, in a beautiful shape. Throughout the city, by the evening we were marching with our women. And the Americans were kind of bruised, cowardly. Like monkeys. We walked in a flock, looking around.
      I helped one of them in the "Melody" store (remember this one on Avangard) to buy vinyl records. So he was afraid to buy them. But they had full pockets of Soviet rubles.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 29 June 2020 09: 56 New
        +3
        I don't remember they were Canadians. It seemed to me that they were the British in funny clown shoes, with a nose bent up. Then there were the French. They were even allowed on the bridge. Compared to us or the Americans, they are completely empty ships, absolutely without weapons. Only monitors from civilian television sets "Sony Trinitron", the latest model, as it seemed to me then, are everywhere.
        1. Grits
          Grits 29 June 2020 09: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: pmkemcity
          I don’t remember that they were Canadians.

          There were. It was striking that their ships were painted with some sort of light green color. The young officers were in black jumpers, slender, fit. Senior officers with beards, strong healthy men in tank tops.
      2. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 29 June 2020 10: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Gritsa
        Throughout the city, by the evening we were marching with our women.

        Yeah! Vladivostok "internatsiAnalki", as they say - "finger" in your mouth do not!
      3. Alf
        Alf 29 June 2020 19: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        I helped one of them in the "Melody" store (remember this one on Avangard) to buy vinyl records. So he was afraid to buy them.

        Afraid of their KGB?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 June 2020 07: 32 New
    +9
    ,, suites and maslopupy ,, - I know from childhood. Father ,, taught, “In any case, honor and glory to our submarine. Hard service and hard life for their families, in closed garrisons, in difficult climates. I respect
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 June 2020 07: 56 New
    +4
    Everything goes to the point that the submarine couple will be replaced by drones and they will automatically plow the oceans and monitor the situation.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 June 2020 08: 01 New
    +1
    Wonderful article. Thanks to the author.
    The heavy and dangerous service of submariners. I directly felt the smell of oil in the mechanisms ... All this year after year ... and at sea ... Yes ... The mighty submarine weapon. But what a difficult !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 June 2020 09: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      All this year after year ... and at sea ..

      The hardest part is that children are born, and dad is at sea, and all the time at sea, at sea. We did not chisel, as our children should be.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 29 June 2020 12: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The hardest part is that children are born, and dad is at sea, and all the time at sea, at sea. We did not chisel, as our children should be.

        My friend saw my daughter for the first time, when she was already 8 months old ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 June 2020 15: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Andrey NM
          My friend saw her daughter for the first time, when she was already 8 months old ..

          I remember the eldest was 2 years old, came from the sea, but he does not understand who it is, he takes my bag and pulls it to the door and says to me "Dissent".
      2. Alf
        Alf 29 June 2020 19: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The hardest part is that children are born, and dad is at sea, and all the time at sea, at sea.

        Young replenishment on a nuclear-powered ship.
        Boatswain-That's all they say that those who go to the atomic have no children. All this is nonsense. Here we were in the autonomous region for a year, and my wife recently gave birth to me.
      3. seagull
        seagull 30 June 2020 10: 59 New
        0
        The hope remains that the grandchildren are more lucky ... All unspent love ...
    2. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 30 June 2020 17: 24 New
      +2
      I directly smell the oil in the mechanisms ...


      When, after the "seas", they floated to the surface and opened the upper conning tower hatch, the smell of mud, seaweed and fish immediately hit the head. In a few months you sniff at the "atmosphere" inside, you forget old smells. Ehhh, sea ....

      There is nothing more beautiful in the world at the end of a trip to emerge from the depths. (from)
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 1 July 2020 19: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Podvodnik
        When, after the "seas", they floated to the surface and opened the upper conning tower hatch, the smell of mud, seaweed and fish immediately hit the head. In a few months you sniff at the "atmosphere" inside, you forget old smells.

        After surfacing in general, the air beat like a glass of champagne overturned. It seems that the composition of the air in the compartments is normal by percentage, but still something was missing, apparently. Or maybe the chemists were winding something. Another point. In the autonomous system, you constantly sniff, listen ... Old smells are really forgotten, but when you arrive for another week, like a dog, you react to all smells. And further. Most of them shaved bald or cut their hair very short before leaving. I shaved, I still have my grandfather's Solingen razors from the war, so I learned to shave with them. When you sit at the remote control, if a person quietly walks down the aisle three meters away from behind, you feel warmth in the back of your head. Somehow, everything escalated. We had a case. The doctor began to iron his shirt at night with a small iron, did not warn anyone, and the watchman on the lower deck smelled the smell and announced an emergency alarm "the smell of burning in the compartment." Ventilation for mixing, that's from the top and pulled away throughout the compartment. But this is a 5-bis compartment, the devil knows how many people there, a galley, 4 decks, etc. But the fighter immediately figured out the foreign smell. The funny thing is, the iron there was so small, marching. Seryoga (the doctor) was stroking it with fanaticism :). Then they teased him for a long time.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 1 July 2020 20: 13 New
          +3
          Once I turned on a new soldering iron on the "dovecote". About ten seconds passed, the chief officer from the central asked and inserted the piston. "They say it is necessary to warn!" The smell of burning was notable.
          After the shift of watches in the cabins, the people of the Pickwick were brewing. The scent stood ...
          I agree, the sense of smell worsened, a new smell was immediately felt. In the galley, coffee ran to the stove. The compartment commander immediately declared an emergency. This is not a joke.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 29 June 2020 08: 44 New
    +2
    each monastery has its own charter) ... but you won’t describe everything ... even oil)) ... and of course the article is interesting of course
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 29 June 2020 09: 43 New
    +4
    Thank you very much for the article! Cool..and a little about the political leaders ... absolutely definitely noticed, people are different ... someone is really an OFFICER with a capital letter. And someone .. I got an OFFICER at one time ... thanks to him and for science and on time the pende given to me! By a diver so that diving always equals ascent!
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 June 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    Even on the first nuclear submarine USS "Nautilus" (SSN-571) built in 1954, it was possible to provide the entire crew with regular berths, abandoning the principle of a "warm berth" (when a replaced sailor occupied any vacant berth with which he had recently stood up) . Petty officers and sailors were accommodated in multi-tiered bunks in cockpits, officers in cabins, the ship commander had a separate cabin. I do not think that on modern submarines the living conditions of the crew returned 70 years ago.
    Officer's cabin.

    Berths for sailors.
    1. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 10: 07 New
      +9
      The boats are smaller than ours, the people of 180 people, more than a third of ours.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 29 June 2020 17: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Even on the first nuclear submarine USS "Nautilus" (SSN-571) built in 1954, it was possible to provide the entire crew with regular bunks,

      During the Second World War, Germany from 1943 to 1945 built XXI type diesel submarines, where each crew member had his own berth (almost: for 58 people, 49 berths).
      But according to atomic American, it’s quite possible that there are 1 bed for several people: compared to ours, all other things being equal, there are too many of them on the boat.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 29 June 2020 10: 49 New
    0
    An excellent article and informative. It was written interestingly and leaves a desire to learn more about the specifics of the service of submariners.
  • Leha667
    Leha667 29 June 2020 11: 05 New
    +2
    Plus sign.
    All is true.
    Chinese rocket launchers on the BDR are called because there are a lot of them)))
    Although, in truth, there are even more mechanics)
  • Forcecom
    Forcecom 29 June 2020 11: 17 New
    13
    Brushing away the stingy male tear, how long ago it was ...
    Lux by specialty, and at the same time the commander of the 2nd compartment on the "Warsaw" (and there the Central Post, for a minute) I hand over the ship's device to Mech for the 5th time ... crying (though every time we go further and further wink )
    So he came, Meh asks “Ready?”, “Yes,” “Wait 5 minutes, I'll finish the job and let's go” and jumped out somewhere.
    Well, let's go, then I ask, I answer, I ask again, I answer again, well, it means it's already 20 minutes like this, we go to a pack of various fittings (pipelines, valves and all that). Fur points his finger, "What kind of valve?" and then I understand that I don’t even know close to what this valve is from ...
    Well, I tyk myk, Fur says "Well, look, I'll think about it ..." And I, everything, an eclipse, well, there was no such valve, for the life of me, it was washed out for a minute, "Do you know what kind of valve?", "No" , "Well then, go learn further" and with these words Fur reaches out to this valve, pulls it out of the interweaving of pipes and puts it in his pocket, "You should have answered that there is NO valve here," and leaves. I'm standing around repeat
    There are a lot of trumpets there, so you can't really see that he just put it there, at the moment when he left for 5 minutes before the "test".
    For the sixth time, I passed the test fellow And then he could walk through the compartment with his eyes closed, without banging his head, nothing bulging ...
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 29 June 2020 11: 53 New
      +1
      Some Soviet pilots were taught to find everything.
      Blind switches in the cockpit.
      1. Forcecom
        Forcecom 29 June 2020 11: 58 New
        +5
        let's say a "three-storey" compartment (2 decks and a hold) will be somewhat larger in the cockpit of any aircraft, and the "switches" on all consoles and posts there are also slightly more, but in general, all the commanders of the compartments were guided in their "departments" even in smoke, even in the dark, and they knew what was where and how, the specifics, RBZh PL and RBZh NK (Manual of the fight for survivability of the PL and NK, respectively) books written in blood, and large.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 29 June 2020 12: 04 New
          +5
          In no case do I even try to compare, and work
          I consider divers as the most difficult military work.
          Once sat in the cockpit of the navigator of the Tu-16, and counted
          all switches, buttons, "knobs", etc., which he
          must press, turn, turn on, take readings ...
          In general, after 150 I quit this lesson, I'm tired of it.
          What is terrible is that the navigator is alone, and no one
          will help, will not prompt, and will not do for him.
      2. timokhin-aa
        29 June 2020 12: 08 New
        +7
        Previously, in the subflight, one had to be able to navigate in one's compartment, move around, turn on and off key systems for survivability, open valves and gates in an IDA mask with sealed glass.
        So that in case of fire there is no need to use the eyes, nothing is visible, and most likely there will be no electricity.
        This was unofficially and not on all boats. The Americans also have this.
      3. Leha667
        Leha667 29 June 2020 22: 38 New
        +1
        Lowering the compensating gratings of the reactor in the dark is also included in the training program for emergency batches of power plants.
        On the 3rd generation, the gratings themselves will go down when they are de-energized. And on the second generation, please kindly twist the keys with the handles
      4. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 7 July 2020 22: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: Bez 310
        Some Soviet pilots were taught to find everything ....

        This is, as it were, the norm, I hope that now they continue to do the same.
        The article liked both the swim respect and respect. Everything in the family is sailors, brother 'grandfather' quit
    2. timokhin-aa
      29 June 2020 12: 03 New
      10
      "Well then, go learn further" and with these words Fur reaches out to this valve, pulls it out of the plexus of pipes and puts it in his pocket, "You should have answered that there is NO valve here" and leaves. I'm standing around


      Fire! Fur is a genius! laughing
      1. Forcecom
        Forcecom 29 June 2020 12: 19 New
        13
        Yes, he’s an excellent specialist and a man, he was fighting for the job, but when the trouble came, everyone knew what and how to do, and therefore I can clap on the clave and not feed the fish.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 29 June 2020 11: 40 New
    +1
    Respect!
    The water in the latrine quietly murmurs; I like the hold profession. :).
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 June 2020 15: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: dgonni
      The water in the latrine quietly murmurs; I like the hold profession.

      On a submarine and latrine is completely different than on the shore, and on a surface ship.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 29 June 2020 16: 52 New
        0
        I KNOW ;). Although we didn’t take baths from shit like b_, we managed on other parades
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 June 2020 17: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: dgonni
          Although we didn’t take baths from shit like b_, we managed on other parades

          The Navy cannot do without it. But there is reason to have fun.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 29 June 2020 12: 07 New
    +1
    A very good article. I simply savored every phrase, everything is equally interesting, witty and informative.
  • timokhin-aa
    29 June 2020 12: 11 New
    +9
    Comments - fire, better than the article itself.
  • Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 29 June 2020 12: 37 New
    +6
    By the way, they are not called “Romanians” of underwater “miners”; it is a nickname for sailors from surface ships.

    We called miners "Romanians". But more often all the same "miners". BCH-1: navigator - command warhead, navigator - group commander, navigator - group engineer. We are with the navigator on the Day of Neptune: he is Neptune, I am a mermaid. Nobody wanted to put on a skirt, I had to do it myself :). It turned out funny. For that, there is something to remember. The Chinese - there are just a lot of them, the second largest after the warhead-5. Signalers were sometimes called "horned", although this referred more to the artillerymen, who, of course, were not on the boat, most likely due to the fact that they were graduated from the same school with signalmen. Chemical service - "dusts". Lieutenants who did not surrender were called "students". Koks were called muffins, political officers - zamulkami. There was no hazing in the crew. Although at first there were attempts. I managed to transfer to mentoring. Everyone participated in the tidying up, regardless of shoulder straps and age. But it was the merit of the commander and the mechanic, they set an example, but also demanded. It was nice to receive chicken tobacco or cans of compote for the best compartment in an autonomous unit. He gave the sailors, joy "full pants". My "fighters" were good, even now we sometimes talk, about the midshipman's staff, mostly only good. There were many sailors from Belarus and Vologda. Two remained midshipmen (or rather returned). And at first they were gouges :), I had to educate. Now I understand how we lived together.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 June 2020 15: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey NM
      Kokov was called cupcakes, political officers - zamulki.

      We called them "pastomsi".
  • arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 29 June 2020 12: 58 New
    +2
    So, any newcomer to an American submarine is called a NUB, or Non-Usable Body, which translates as “useless body”
    This is a slightly incorrect version of phraseology, although close.
    NUB, originally Noob, Newb, is a derivative of New Bee - a young bee. Newbie. Modern American slang. Came into the routine of games.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 29 June 2020 13: 28 New
      +3
      Not certainly in that way. Just two genesis merged into one, because the acronym Non-Usable Body is already 80+ years old, somewhere :)
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 29 June 2020 13: 27 New
    0
    Great stuff!
  • wde
    wde 29 June 2020 13: 38 New
    +5
    Cognitively interesting article. I served urgently on 641, though I knew the whole 4th compartment for a tooth, and understand the rest of the compartments for what is needed. He was a cipher. I remember the questions to the young people in the test, where is the valve for shooting the 7th compartment in case of flooding of the boat, and some managed to find the usual question to the torpedoists how many meters the torpedo launcher would "roll back" when launching a torpedo, many thought and answered. Something like that. wink
  • Dedok
    Dedok 29 June 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    yes, the soul is warm - from the written
  • Tests
    Tests 29 June 2020 17: 27 New
    +3
    Gritsa (Alexander) and Gas Cutter - happy holiday! In time, the article was posted. Today in Russia is the Day of the Shipbuilder.
    I never wore a hat and never wear it, but I would take off any headdress before the submariners!
    Fate sometimes twists like this ... In October 2000, my brother-in-law's wife went to the seas from Severodvinsk to Kandalukha on the old "Kazan" (my last order). She kissed the sledgehammer with grease, but the men poured water from the outboard for her and her partner, only 2 fingers, they pitied the girls ... She survived, the candidate of technical sciences is now ...
  • Ersh
    Ersh 29 June 2020 18: 34 New
    +4
    Well written, well done!
    But there are doubts about the higher level of American training. For example, I graduated from the Faculty of Nuclear Power Engineering of Dzerzhinka, then I studied at the Naval Naval Center for more than a year, then I took a steamer in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, I went through all the factory and state tests, starting with the KShI. And so - all the young officers. Some still managed to serve a year or two on the other floor. Midshipman and sailors passed the CA and the factory. The crew was super! In our first three autonomies, the AZ has never fallen!
    Then, of course, worse, because the crew began to change, but we were already teaching beginners how to do it.
  • Nick
    Nick 30 June 2020 08: 21 New
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    The whole article of these vseproalschikov for the sake of the last paragraphs. The Americans have technology, but we have everything g ... In fact, the opposite is true. American submarines are mostly of the third generation, which are constantly extended their service life due to the fact that their number is decreasing against the background of the lack of replacement by new submarines, and in Russia, serial construction of both DPLs and fourth-generation nuclear submarines is underway. In addition, our unique titanium submarines of the Condor and Barracuda types, as well as the formidable Pike B, are undergoing a deep modernization. Special nuclear submarines, carriers of the latest types of weapons, etc. are under construction. etc.
    1. timokhin-aa
      30 June 2020 15: 48 New
      +4
      You are just crazy in my opinion. Go better look at the Poseidons moored under the windows, it will make you feel better.
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 July 2020 07: 58 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        You are just crazy in my opinion. Go better look at the Poseidons moored under the windows, it will make you feel better.

        And you are either incompetent or biased, printing your miserable false articles.
        1. timokhin-aa
          2 July 2020 11: 10 New
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          You still don’t understand anything, since you can tell where the poor article is and where not the poor? For you, it's just a set of letters.
        2. Nick
          Nick 5 July 2020 17: 52 New
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          Even I understand that the low-noise propulsion is not the only parameter that determines the stealth of the submarine. There are other physical fields that affect stealth. You, as a typical, trifling personality, take into consideration one parameter, not taking into account the totality of the capabilities of the boats and on this basis make the wrong, but the conclusion you need. You manipulate the ignorant readers, inspiring them with false ideas about the subject. Why aren’t you talking about Virginia’s higher noise at relatively high speeds due to the hull’s structural features? Why don’t you say that the Virginia water jet doesn’t allow you to develop an underwater speed of more than 27 knots, while Ash is accelerated by 35 knots. Why don’t you talk about a higher level of automation of Ashen, compared with Virginia, whose crew is twice as large as on Ashen.
          All your articles are from the evil one, and he is known to be the father of lies.
    2. papacha
      papacha 18 August 2020 22: 05 New
      0
      But 671 RTM projects are being cut. They, too, could still serve.
    3. Vadim I.
      Vadim I. 2 September 2020 17: 50 New
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      Nick June 30, 2020 08:21 "" "the same formidable" Pike B "." ""
      - You, I see, are not in the know and an ordinary cheers-patriot ... She is formidable, formidable ... only very difficult to operate and repair ... One such formidable was brought to the Amur shipyard for repairs at the beginning 2000s, it is still in a disassembled state and it is a khan. Boats need to be built the simpler, the better and smaller. You will not surprise anyone with gigantomania. The Americans are doing the right thing if they have boats of the third generation, no worse than our fourth ...
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 30 June 2020 10: 24 New
    -6
    The author of this story is an idiot- a Navy "bubble head" makes more per month than a Russian doctor.
    1. timokhin-aa
      30 June 2020 15: 47 New
      +1
      Not more idiot than you. This story is not about salary it is about social relations on submarines.
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 30 June 2020 20: 55 New
    0
    1. To the authors - many thanks for the interesting article.
    2. Do you plan to continue?
  • reader65
    reader65 1 July 2020 00: 32 New
    0
    But what Klimov has not commented on for a long time? What happened to him?
    1. timokhin-aa
      1 July 2020 11: 08 New
      +1
      In the bath, as usual.
  • voenmor
    voenmor 1 July 2020 16: 18 New
    +2
    The 3rd division of the БЧ-5 is the survivability division on the nuclear submarine, and not the hold one. Young officers, as a rule, handed over the arrangement of general shipboard systems of nuclear submarines to the commander of the warhead-5 for admission to duty on the nuclear submarines in the base. The rocket officers were not involved in duty on the ship.
    In the 80s - 90s he participated in 11 combat services (78 days each). Commander of the BS-5 RPK SN, Fisherman, Kamchatka.
    1. Vadim I.
      Vadim I. 2 September 2020 17: 54 New
      0
      Take my respect for so many military services ...
  • RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 7 July 2020 15: 30 New
    +2
    Warhead-7: becachemity
  • OpusD
    OpusD 29 July 2020 20: 14 New
    0
    The article is very interesting. And it is interesting precisely by the comparison of the two orders of service in two fleets of different countries. Comparison with other subframes - French and English, for example, could be continued in other articles. Or compare the established order of service on surface ships. True, it was not without a jamb. Ashes have a torpedo compartment in the middle of the boat. There is a big GUS in the nose.
  • Alex1949
    Alex1949 31 July 2020 17: 49 New
    -4
    It is easier to serve in a tank, although not very long. Even on stage, an artist can blurt out a gag instead of script text. On a boat, this is simply not possible. How difficult it is for sailors to do everything harmoniously In the depths, there is no one to expect help, only from the crew.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 August 2020 06: 29 New
    0
    While the Americans “move on to technology,” their superiority is technical, they rely on technology that is ahead of the enemy simply in the era. They have no extraordinary level of tactical skills.


    The phrase is not clear. In what and where are they ahead of us by the epoch? GAK? Mine torpedo armament? Rockets?
    1. Vadim I.
      Vadim I. 2 September 2020 14: 38 New
      0
      At least in the fact that their boats are always smaller in size: at least strategic, at least shock. And this is noisiness, the main indicator of the performance characteristics of the submarine now, and stealth in general ...
  • papacha
    papacha 18 August 2020 22: 00 New
    0
    I liked the article. Also write.
  • Alexey Plachko
    Alexey Plachko 26 August 2020 07: 17 New
    0
    Thank you for the article. Once he dreamed of becoming a submariner, alas, it did not work out. But interest in this business remained, since my father had been building and repairing boats all his life. First at the Admiralty shipyards (then LAO) and then at Nerpa.
  • Igor S.
    Igor S. 29 August 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    Interesting. At first I wanted to ride myself, starting from Ovechkin's "Sharks", but I read the comments and decided that I would just join many of them.
    Thank! It was interesting.
  • Vadim I.
    Vadim I. 2 September 2020 12: 25 New
    0
    Authors: "" "Well, about the fact that on their boats they sleep on bunks in turns in several shifts, the Russian reader, in general, knows." ""
    - Let me disagree with this statement of yours. No la-la, it's not solid for such a publication. And on our nuclear submarines, and - I'm sure - on American nuclear submarines, all crew members have berths. That was the advantage of nuclear submarines - it became possible to equip living space for all crew members.
  • Vadim I.
    Vadim I. 2 September 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    Authors: "" "Who has a better level of training - ours or the US Navy? In our opinion," on average "the US Navy has formed a much more optimal system of training submarine forces, but this is true for the" average "level." ""
    - I heard that the Americans on nuclear submarines (and they do not have diesel ones) practice the presence of two crews: one crew is combat, so let's call it, it constantly goes to the seas for combat service, and the other crew is in the base: it eliminates the identified seas observations and debugs machinery and equipment in good condition. Then he hands over the boat to the first crew, it seems his name is "golden", who is trained to control the mechanisms and systems of the boat, and it is he who goes to the seas for military service. In my opinion, this is better than our crews: they are the same in the seas and at the pier on the boat. Torn between home and service on a boat, they sometimes bring service to home. That is why the Americans have far less accidents on nuclear submarines.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 September 2020 08: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Vadim I.
    At least in the fact that their boats are always smaller in size: at least strategic, at least shock. And this is noisiness, the main indicator of the performance characteristics of the submarine now, and stealth in general ...



    In size? A boat carrying 24 missiles cannot be smaller than ours. Their boats are single-hull. there are pros and cons. Our people made a leap in noise. There are problems with the SAC and mine and torpedo weapons, but let the admirals think about that ..
    1. Vadim I.
      Vadim I. 3 September 2020 12: 35 New
      0
      For the Americans, both strategic and strike submarines look more elegant than Russian ones, which increases the area of ​​laminar flow around the submarine's hull and, accordingly, reduces noise ...
      TOP 5 largest submarines in the world
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5d70f9085d636200ad1997c3/top5-samyh-bolshih-podvodnyh-lodok-v-mire-5dc9d34d8ddf2d1f5dfbe2b8
  • Staffa1976
    Staffa1976 8 September 2020 18: 06 New
    0
    The father had three sons. Two are normal, the third is hold!
  • Vova Vasilev
    Vova Vasilev 10 September 2020 06: 34 New
    0
    It is immediately evident that both authors have nothing to do with the submarine from the word "absolutely": remember once and for all - the 3rd division of the BCh-5 is called "survivability", and not" hold "!)) So to shit them and disgrace yourself - you have to try ...