In the US, the Russian icebreaker with the "Caliber" was called offensive weapons

The latest Russian icebreaker, Ivan Papanin, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, is not defensive, but offensive. This was stated by the commander of the U.S. Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral James Foggo.

According to him, Russia is behaving aggressively in the Arctic, increasing offensive weapons. This also applies to new icebreakers, which are armed with Caliber cruise missiles. In addition, Moscow continues to build military bases in the Arctic region and deploy S-400 anti-aircraft systems there.

Russia aggressively approaches the Arctic. They recently presented the new Ivan Papanin icebreaker, which can carry Caliber cruise missiles. I have already asked this question several times and I will ask again: who puts the rockets on the icebreakers? Some countries put defensive weapons on their icebreakers, but Caliber is not defensive at all. weapon

- declared admiral.

Foggo drew attention to the need to create a strong fleet in the Arctic region, "to protect common interests and ensure the normal flow of trade flows."

The lead icebreaker of project 23550 Ivan Papanin was built at the Admiralty Shipyards Shipyard and launched last October. The ice class patrol ships (combat icebreakers) of project 23550 were developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau (CMKB) as a replacement for the military icebreakers of project 21180, on which only one icebreaker, Ilya Muromets, was built and handed over to the fleet.

The vessel is capable of performing the tasks of a tugboat, patrol ship and an icebreaker. The ship is intended for the protection and monitoring of water resources in difficult ice conditions, escorting and towing detained vessels to the port, escorting and supporting support vessels, participating in rescue operations, transporting special cargoes.

The icebreaker is capable of speeds up to 18 knots. Displacement - about 8500 tons, length - over 100 m, width - about 20 m, sailing autonomy - about 70 days. Cruising range - 10 thousand nautical miles. An icebreaker can cross ice fields up to 1,7 meters thick.

The ship is armed with AK-176MA automatic artillery, and one multi-purpose helicopter will also be based on the ship. In addition, a place has been reserved for the rocket launcher on the icebreaker.

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[Doccor18]

Russian icebreaker with Caliber called offensive weapons

If necessary - defensive, and if necessary, then offensive .... This is the business of the Russian fleet.
And it is better to envy silently.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Doccor18

If necessary - defensive, and if necessary, then offensive ..

so it’s still an Ice Class Patrol Ship, and it’s supposed to have the necessary weapons.

[Thrall]

Everything is relative. Take, for example, an ax. You can chop the adversary with a blade, you can heat the butt, but you can also disable the enemy with an ax, especially if you crank it up.
And you can use the ax to build a hut with the edge and hide in it from enemies.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Thrall

And you can use the ax to build a hut with the edge and hide in it from enemies.

And you can cook the soup.

[hrych]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And you can cook the soup.

in the boiler ...

[Charik]

not a soup but a soldier cooked porridge from an ax

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Charik

not a soup but a soldier cooked porridge from an ax

And I can do the soup.

[Charik]

family soup

[Kazbek]

Six are crumbled, the rest are so abandoned.

[orionvitt]

You can shave if the ax is good.

[Pereira]

And you can use the ax to build a hut with the edge and hide in it from enemies.

From the point of view of the Americans, it is better not to have an ax at all, and order the construction of a hut from them. In debt, of course. And then pay off the debt forever.
They will build a strong hut so that when they catch up with the enemies, we would sit in it and do not stick our nose out.

[Telakh]

Logically the same.
From the point of view of the average commander of all US forces, strictly offensive are:
1. All weapons classes of the same type as US weapons
2. All classes and types of weapons that have no analogues in the United States.

[orionvitt]

It is, of course, logical, but where is the logic in the words "Russia is behaving aggressively in the Arctic"? Maybe I don't understand something, but how can Russia behave "aggressively" in its The Arctic? The Arctic is not the Mexican or the Hudson's Bay.

[Civil]

Our peaceful Arctic icebreaker will protect the oil and gas of our Arctic. To the damned West to sell.

[hydrox]

These are not our oil and gas: they belong to our blood-sucking bloodsuckers ...

[Alex777]

Moreover, the Yankers forgot about the standard 76 mm cannon, but they are very worried about the container "Caliber", which "can be placed". Why?

[janin]

poor fellow Admiral James Foggo .. you see, he doesn't know that the offensive weapon we have is agricultural harvesters "Niva" with nuclear weapons on board !! and the project 23550 "Ivan Papanin" icebreaker with "Calibers" is a defensive weapon that guards our Niva combines when they are in the field for agricultural work !!

[mark1]

ensure the smooth running of trade flows. "

That who creates and provides trade flows will protect them

[Boris55]

"Caliber" is not a defensive weapon

This is a calming weapon for very violently head. Do not fig them in the Arctic to do with their two rusty vessels. It would not hurt them to recall the map of the USSR, we are all the same receivers (pay attention to our borders in the Arctic):

[Clear]

Quote: Boris55

"Caliber" is not a defensive weapon

This is a calming weapon for very violently head. Do not fig them in the Arctic to do with their two rusty vessels. It would not hurt them to recall the map of the USSR, we are all the same receivers (pay attention to our borders in the Arctic):

Boris, how many did not look, so did not see our borders . And rightly so, why do they need us in the Arctic?

The top circle on the globe is completely ours

[Boris55]

Quote: Clear

The top circle on the globe is completely ours

Ultimately, it will be so. Sooner or later, humanity will come to the conclusion that it is necessary to develop the nearest planets (Mars, Venus), and for this all the resources of the Earth and all the intellect of all humanity will be needed. The common economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok is only the beginning.

ps

[DMB_95]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Clear

The top circle on the globe is completely ours

Ultimately, it will be so. Sooner or later, humanity will come to the conclusion that it is necessary to develop the nearest planets (Mars, Venus), and for this all the resources of the Earth and all the intellect of all humanity will be needed. The common economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok is only the beginning.

I would not want to live to see such a future.

[Boris55]

Quote: DMB_95

I would not want to live to see such a future.

Until the time when wars on Earth cease and all people, regardless of skin light, eye shape, and other external signs, cease to identify their similar pants in the world and live in harmony? And I dream about it, about when apple trees will bloom on Mars ...

[DMB_95]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: DMB_95

I would not want to live to see such a future.

Until the time when wars on Earth cease and all people, regardless of skin light, eye shape, and other external signs, cease to identify their similar pants in the world and live in harmony? And I dream about it, about when apple trees will bloom on Mars ...

Pants color matters! And the apple trees on Mars will bloom when they are almost gone on Earth ..

[Poetry]

The Americans will not find the North Pole on the maps. They studied at Stanford-Schamford.

[Clear]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

The Americans will not find the North Pole on the maps. They studied at Stanford-Schamford.

Then it is necessary to put a couple of monuments to the founding fathers of America at the North Pole. When the demolition of these slave traders, they find out where it is

[Poetry]

By the way, the stoned blacks will not get there.

[hydrox]

They will get to USA Navy, but not for long (until they run away from Papanin and until they are rubbed in the ice) - here they will fall under the distribution ...

[aszzz888]

Poetiszaugla (Sergey) Today, 09:21 AM NEW
+4
By the way, the stoned blacks will not get there.

So yes, roofing material in the cold breaks and breaks.

[Poetry]

In the Arctic, the lives of blacks do not matter.

[Normal]

In school years, it was such a card that hung on my wall in my room. )))

[Terenin]

Foggo drew attention to the need to create a strong fleet in the Arctic region, "in order to protect common interests and ensure the normal course of trade flows."

That's right, James, transfer these words into the text of the presentation to assign yourself the title of "Admiral of the Navy" and run to the State Department, maybe, on the sly, slip through

[tralflot1832]

Completely insolent. Peaceful icebreaker equated to AUG. I demand from Admiral James to equate my "combat" sofa in terms of combat capabilities to the starship "Enterprise".

[Hagen]

Quote: tralflot1832

I ask Admiral James to equate my "combat" sofa in combat capabilities to the starship "Enterprise".

And what benefits are you planning to get on all other sofas? Planning to be mentioned in Jane's Handbook? That's the same story with the admiral. Well, he called the icebreaker with a vertical launcher an offensive weapon, so what? And then we did not know before (and even more so) that on any icebreaker for a special period, volumes are reserved for armament. Now they decided to put the universal VPU right away. It's high time ... And the admiral is the admiral, to confirm his necessity with an external threat. Otherwise it will be cut and the pension will be cut.

[KCA]

I have a book from the 50s about the peaceful atom, there is a drawing of the icebreaker "Lenin" with footnotes, such as "reactor", "wheelhouse", one of the footnotes was "torpedo tubes for breaking ice", such a peaceful atom ...

[tralflot1832]

Jane must be included in the handbook. When I went to sea, I knew where on our fishing boat, if anything, little bangs were installed. And now if that 40-foot container on the deck and the fishing boat turns into a "strategic" patrol boat. It's a joke. And let it be The admiral dreams of Russian icebreakers embracing polar bears every night. The Polar Bears' home is located on our territory, about Wrangel, obviously polar bears are "in the service of Shoigu." to suggest what is the threat from the Arctic, icebreakers are digging in the wrong place.

[rocket757]

The latest Russian icebreaker, Ivan Papanin, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, is not defensive, but offensive. This was stated by the commander of the U.S. Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral James Foggo.

So what??? This is what he wanted to say?
Whatever the container ship, with containers full of weapons, one can generally recognize the instrument of expansion ...

[Baloo]

But what, is there a retreating weapon? US carriers for what? For American scientists looking for oil?

And nuclear weapons, ballistic and cruise missiles ... In vain Columbus discovered America.

[tralflot1832]

It's good that we have the opportunity, if something is to close America, that's why they are furious. At the Pentagon they definitely read VO and are familiar with the Stalin Strait plan.

[Clear]

Quote: Balu

But what, is there a retreating weapon? US carriers for what? For American scientists looking for oil?

And nuclear weapons, ballistic and cruise missiles ... In vain Columbus discovered America.

These are more like geologists. They are already getting oil.

[Charik]

these ones are more like botanists, they grow flowers in Afghanistan and everything with glasses, like botanists

[Poetry]

Let him ask Ukrainians to help on decommissioned boats. On the bow, a sailor with a kyle, will cut down a passage in the ice.

[Poetry]

Who would doubt that,? Yankee again
World Champions

[Prisoner]

Well ... And what's the problem? Fearfully? Well, it was conceived. Vidmo pin-dos would like there to be a maximum machine gun on the turrets, or even better a harpoon gun. Wait!

[Pivot]

But I can’t imagine a caravan of NATO military ships in the Arctic, if the lead icebreaker is destroyed, what will they do? They can be covered as stationary targets with Iskanders.

[sergo1914]

I have already asked this question several times and I will ask again: who puts the rockets on the icebreakers?

Does someone put the opposite? And How?

[hydrox]

Quote: sergo1914

Does someone put the opposite? And How?

So the Russians put it, and at the same time they put it just the way it should - I don’t think that they should be taught this. It turns out that an ordinary ice-class patrol ship — and there is no one to sail except ours, but they should know that there is someone in the Russian Arctic who can put a rocket on the deck of the enemy, who has nothing to do, neither eavesdrop on, nor snoop (except send a signal SOS from the tops of the New Earth or Taimyr mountains?).

[APASUS]

Discuss with the Americans military bases and ships in our territory, do not respect yourself!

[Terenin]

Quote: APASUS

Discuss with the Americans military bases and ships in our territory, do not respect yourself!

We will make an exception ... Alaska. Disputed territory

[APASUS]

Quote: Terenin

We will make an exception ... Alaska. Disputed territory

Which Alaska? They cannot return and don’t seem to want back their sea spaces along the Gory-Chernomyrdin line, although we don’t have ratification on our side and we have every right to terminate this deal.

[Terenin]

Quote: APASUS

Ours can’t, otherwise they’ll have to give dachas beyond the hill,

And, these are "ours," we are absolutely not ours

[Souchastnik]

And these people are teaching us how to pick their nose?
For the United States, anyone who can get them in the face is an aggressor and a threat to democracy and the international community.
We will build strategic missile container ships, universal landing dry cargo ships and other underwater research vessels for evil tricks. And we will resume the production of vertical take-off combines.

[Poetry]

Togo zzzdzad serious cowboy,
How our "Caliber" goes on a curve.

[rusich]

Our missiles. Wherever we want, there we set it. And we are not a decree

[shinobi]

Weapon, any, never happens only "offensive" or "defensive". This is a tool and everything depends only on the operator of this tool. They envy. And to whom ?! To a gas station country with a torn economy that is about to collapse due to sanctions, coronavirus, falling oil prices!

[To be or not to be]

Admiral James Foggo's position is such and requires a blizzard ....

[Zaurbek]

KR cannot be a defensive weapon.

[K-50]

The newest Russian icebreaker "Ivan Papanin", armed with cruise missiles "Kalibr", is not defensive, but offensive weapons.

Yes, at least by what name, something will change?
You have many times more ships with similar weapons and "Ticonderogi" and "Orly Bjorki", not counting the ground points of the supposedly missile defense.
It’s just that Russia will quietly continue its armament and rearmament work and you won’t be able to stop it with any squeals.

[Ros 56]

If only they didn’t call a retreat, but the icebreaker is good for us, let them be afraid that maybe less crazy thoughts will come to my head striped.

[savage1976]

So afraid, that's good.

[basal]

Okay, let's classify Papanin as an "ice-class cruiser". Who gets worse from this? Many stubbornly call TAKR Kuznetsov an aircraft carrier and nothing happened. Papanin is a warship. We will leave the arguments about the effectiveness of its weapons to specialists. My opinion is that currently the Calibers for the Arctic are redundant, there are simply no targets. And tomorrow? We have a huge Arctic border and I consider it to be the right measure to strengthen it in advance.

[Bez 310]

I will not pay attention to the words of the admiral,
but I have a question about our icebreaker. Why on
icebreaker the ability to install launchers "Caliber"?
This is just a question, not an argument.

[evgen1221]

And in the ice, besides the icebreaker, can anything walk normally? Ice class rpksn)))

[Bez 310]

Yeah, funny ...

[bar]

Why on
icebreaker the ability to install launchers "Caliber"?

Well, you never know, but what if it comes in handy? Our icebreaker is what we want. Need permission to ask?

[Bez 310]

Yes, I do not mind, let it be.
I am opposed to ice patrol ship
class called an icebreaker.

[bar]

I am opposed to ice patrol ship
class called an icebreaker.

Well, please you. Why calibers, why icebreaker.

Need permission to ask?

[Bez 310]

Frankly - oh, that's it!

[Igor Gul]

"Retaliatory fire from a peacefully plowing Soviet tractor destroyed ..." (from a TASS report)

[Charik]

Yes, do not be afraid of the C400, because all the foreign specialists are shouting that this complex is nothing, even illiterate nuclear countries bought it, India and China took a dummy, and even the "weakest" country, NATO, also bought it and sold it to you that the gauges on the icebreaker are the place to transport polar bears

[evgen1221]

Well, let them consider the ship a missile cruiser of the ice class.))

[Baloo]

Quote: Charik

these ones are more like botanists, they grow flowers in Afghanistan and everything with glasses, like botanists

Nerds they are and in Afghanistan botany

[Wertgan]

Article without author's signature. So this is served as news. However, the headline of the news uses the rhetoric of an American expert. An ice class ship is called an icebreaker. And a fair question is being asked about the icebreakers and calibers. However, in my opinion, this is a substitution of concepts. Indeed, for a patrol ship, universal vertical launch installations will no longer seem strange and aggressive?

[Astra wild]

[quote = Poetiszaugla] By the way, the stoned blacks won't get there
Do you think that they will freeze or can polar bears feast on them?

[Astra wild]

Quote: Clear

Reply

Friend, do you propose to hide monuments from blacks in the Arctic? In this case, you need to discuss payment in advance.

[bar]

Russia is aggressively approaching the Arctic. They recently presented a new icebreaker "Ivan Papanin", which can carry cruise missiles "Caliber"

Envy must be silent

[Old26]

Quote: Alex777

Moreover, the Yankers forgot about the standard 76 mm cannon, but they are very worried about the container "Caliber", which "can be placed". Why?

Well, if only because the artillery on the icebreaker is really a defensive weapon, which cannot be said about the "Calibers". Whether we like it or not, the Caliber can hardly be called a defensive weapon

Quote: Bez 310

I will not pay attention to the words of the admiral,
but I have a question about our icebreaker. Why on
icebreaker the ability to install launchers "Caliber"?
This is just a question, not an argument.

Good show-offs, Mikhail, are more valuable than money. There is no sense, but to show that we can even put this on an icebreaker - as without show-offs ... The main point is there is no point in this? Well, there will be an opportunity for such an icebreaker-missile carrier to strike at a distance of 4 hundred kilometers. So those whom he can fire on board may have "defensive" air defense systems or small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery. So, what is next???

Quote: tralflot1832

It's good that we have the opportunity, if something is to close America, that's why they are furious. At the Pentagon they definitely read VO and are familiar with the Stalin Strait plan.

How, in the last few years, fakes are loved on VO Now one blows up Yellowstone, then the other "makes the Stalin Strait on the North American continent."

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Terenin

We will make an exception ... Alaska. Disputed territory

Which Alaska? They cannot return and don’t seem to want their sea open spaces along the Mountain-Chernomyrdin

And no open spaces along the Gorn-Chernomyrdin line will be returned to us. This agreement - the Gor-Chernomyrdin agreement has nothing to do with it.

[5-9]

8500 tone VI and not a single Caliber ... it's somehow not in Russian chtol :)
In general, a ship flying a military flag? Yes. Then what are the claims?

[Old26]

Quote: 5-9

8500 tone VI and not a single Caliber ... it's somehow not in Russian chtol :)
In general, a ship flying a military flag? Yes. Then what are the claims?

Yes, at least 18500 tons. What has the "Caliber" to do with it? With whom is such an icebreaker going to engage? Well, it would be understandable to install foundations for artillery guns or air defense systems, in extreme cases, as in Soviet times, icebreakers were supplied with 30-mm or a maximum of 76-mm. Why "Caliber"? What will they do and against whom?

[K298rtm]

Perhaps against Alaska (from the eastern part of the Arctic). Yes, by the way, not only with Gauges (but with everything that fits in 533mm).

[Fitter65]

The Russian icebreaker Ivan Papanin, armed with the Kalibr cruise missiles, is not defensive, but offensive.

Actually, it’s still progressive, it’s still in service ...
And what should we do if, on the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean, ice does not melt even in summer. But to control the migration of red-breasted geese, polar bears., And to monitor the same flights of the northern loons, our scientists really need, even necessary. That's why ice class patrol ships are being built ...

[Tibul]

Do not cook the head of the penguins! Their missiles on our western border against Iran, and our calibres against aliens.

[tolmachiev51]

Would have asked better why!? - taught by bitter experience, you can expect anything from "friends and partners" !!!

[kig]

The American admiral was probably scared by an article on the English-language Wikipedia, which clearly states Armament will include a 100 mm gun (some sources state a 76 mm gun) and 3M-54 Kalibr anti-ship missiles. The Russian wiki writes about the container launch complexes of the Calibers, which have been talked about a lot at one time, but which seem to have never been produced. So, admiral, you need to know the languages!

[Brigadier]

It would not hurt to put other heavy short-range weapons to this complete icebreaker, so that some NATO strategists would not be tempted to act in the style of Somali pirates ...

Our territory, our ship, and what we want is what we put on it!