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The British press: Another 15 years of war with the West, Russia will not stand

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Putin should discard the stereotypes that he had formed from his service in the KGB during the Cold War and put Russia's national interests at the forefront. And if he does, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia.


This opinion is expressed by Philip Stevens in an article published by the British edition of the Financial Times.

Stevens compares modern Russia with post-war Britain. Then London, having already lost the status of a leading world power, could not recognize the loss of its influence in the world. Russia, according to Stevens, just like Britain once, does not realize that it has long been no longer a superpower.

The high rating of Putin, according to the author, for many years rested on his promise to return to Russia its former greatness and influence in the world. But the leading countries in the world today are the United States and China, and they are not going to give in to Moscow. Therefore, Putin, Stevens believes, is sacrificing the country's strategic interests for illusions.

The upcoming vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation will allow the incumbent president to remain in office until 2036. But this does not mean, according to Stevens, that it is beneficial for Russia to continue to pursue an anti-Western policy. Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia simply can not stand it.

The author of the article claims that for our country the main threat is not NATO at all, but China. The alliance of the Russian Federation with China is clearly beneficial to Beijing. He receives oil and gas for his industry. Beijing is building up military power and is increasingly declaring its ambitions in East and Central Asia, gradually squeezing Moscow out of this region.

All these arguments of Stevens should lead the reader to the idea that it is time for Russia to curtail cooperation with China and begin rapprochement with the West. And since Russia, on an equal footing, cannot cooperate with the United States and Europe, in the author’s opinion, because of its “backwardness,” it should, as once in the 90s, sacrifice its sovereignty and finally become a raw materials appendage of “civilized” countries .
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  1. Alexfly
    Alexfly 25 June 2020 17: 00
    77
    Russian statehood has been at war with Europe for centuries (both cold and hot), so for some 15 years they won’t play any special role in this confrontation.
    1. KAV
      KAV 25 June 2020 17: 03
      77
      Quote: AlexFly
      Russian statehood has been fighting Europe for centuries (both cold and hot)

      You are not formulating correctly. It will be correct like this:
      Europe has been fighting the Russian statehood for centuries (both cold and hot).
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 25 June 2020 17: 05
        -28 qualifying.
        From a change in the place of the sums, the amount does not change, or are you a manager?
        1. KAV
          KAV 25 June 2020 17: 08
          59
          Namely, the meaning changes to the diametrically opposite. Not Russia is at war with the West, namely the West with Russia.
          No, I'm not a manager. I just think it’s right to correctly build phrases so that there is no misinterpretation.
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 25 June 2020 17: 15
            -37 qualifying.
            War is war, does it make a big difference who is fighting whom, because the main thing is that it is not "I" ...
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 June 2020 18: 06
              16
              Quote: AlexFly
              the main thing is that it is not "I" ...

              Everything is clear with you. On what topic slanted?
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 25 June 2020 20: 16
                +7
                Quote: AlexFly
                From a change in the place of the sums, the amount does not change, or are you a manager?

                Think what you say, not say what you think
                1. Alexfly
                  Alexfly 26 June 2020 14: 38
                  -4
                  2 + 3 = 5 and 3 + 2 = 5 - I’m talking about this, but what are you talking about?
              2. Alexfly
                Alexfly 26 June 2020 14: 37
                +1
                My friend, you are mine, when I served, it was a long time ago, back in the SA and mowing from the service, at that distant time, was considered dishonorable ...
            2. DEVIL LIFE`S
              DEVIL LIFE`S 25 June 2020 21: 33
              +7
              You have to take care not only of your own skin. Russia is a huge country, and there will still be many temptations for its "partners" to bite a tidbit. Until the teeth are knocked out.
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 25 June 2020 17: 18
            +9
            So an Englishman scribbled an article, and he has no more developed or advanced thinking than any of the tens of thousands of "honest donors" of "Inopressa"
          3. Tatyana Sementsova
            Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 18: 39
            15
            These are the ones who rewrite history, for them, anyway, Hitler attacked the USSR or the USSR attacked Germany, although the second option is more interesting for them, and most importantly, they do not fight with anyone, they are waiting for the fall for a feast .....
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 25 June 2020 21: 28
              +7
              Very accurately noticed. They are waiting for the fall and are ready to convince us that we, in their eyes, are the one. But they are supposedly kind and humane to the fall. We know their duplicity.
          4. Train
            Train 25 June 2020 23: 00
            -2
            And Russia fought with the West and the West with Russia. It is not necessary to make the Russian history of politics a soft and fluffy lump
            1. not main
              not main 25 June 2020 23: 30
              +2
              Quote: Zug
              And Russia fought with the West and the West with Russia. It is not necessary to make the Russian history of politics a soft and fluffy lump

              Right now I see soft and fluffy lumps in the form of Europe and the USA!
        2. doubovitski
          doubovitski 25 June 2020 17: 20
          10
          Quote: AlexFly
          From a change in the place of the sums, the amount does not change, or are you a manager?

          He is one of the people who understand the difference in this statement. You still need to live a long time, read a lot, and understand the intricacies of the language.
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 26 June 2020 14: 41
            -1
            Yes, dear, I can’t live so much anymore .....
        3. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 25 June 2020 17: 25
          10
          In the West, in relation to Russia, not the rules of addition, but the rules of subtraction. So the place matters.
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 25 June 2020 17: 33
            25
            And if he does, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia.

            Already passed ... under Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
      2. Clear
        Clear 25 June 2020 18: 04
        10
        Quote: KAV
        Europe has been fighting the Russian Federation for centuries

        but, it was worth getting involved in the war to Ukraine, and they completely defeated us for several years ... three or four times? winked therefore of course
        Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia will not stand
        just tired of convincing everyone that we all lost ... just leave me alone, clinging like a burdock.
      3. halpat
        halpat 25 June 2020 22: 39
        +3
        Quote: KAV
        Quote: AlexFly
        Russian statehood has been fighting Europe for centuries (both cold and hot)

        You are not formulating correctly. It will be correct like this:
        Europe has been fighting the Russian statehood for centuries (both cold and hot).

        And Europe continues to believe in its victory. So many times they got garbage on the wort, from Jarl Birger to Hitler, but with stubbornness worthy of better use they climb and climb.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 June 2020 17: 13
      23
      Quote: AlexFly
      some 15 years will not play any special role in this confrontation

      But why? After 15 years, the European emirs will not be at all up to Russia.
      1. Junior Private
        Junior Private 25 June 2020 17: 49
        +9
        Well, it will stand / will not stand it from the field of forecasts, and from the field of facts - England could not stand the EU.
    3. knn54
      knn54 25 June 2020 17: 15
      17
      Will there be the West in 15 years? Arabs and Afro-Europeans are "on the alert."
      1. halpat
        halpat 25 June 2020 22: 42
        +3
        Quote: knn54
        Will there be the West in 15 years? Arabs and Afro-Europeans are "on the alert."

        Western Europe will be renamed Very North Africa (OCA) instead of the EU.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 26 June 2020 11: 05
          -1
          Quote: Halpat
          Western Europe will be renamed Very North Africa (OCA

          Geologically, everything south of the line of the Pyrenees-Alps-Carpathians-Caucasus is Africa itself.
          What is north - United Arab Emirates.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 25 June 2020 17: 19
      +5
      Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia simply can not stand it.

      - Captains of business oligarchs will not stand, Russia -
    5. Vasya17
      Vasya17 25 June 2020 17: 56
      -13 qualifying.
      Russian statehood only under Peter the Great became Russian statehood with all its might striving to become Europe
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 25 June 2020 20: 06
        -15 qualifying.
        Zeroed will "fight" with the West, buying Treasuries and other securities of the "damned West", pushing the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia across Western banks and funds .... thus fight the "hated West", to the last pants and the last bowl of makaroshek- Doshirak of a large part of the Russian population. So we will win! Let's rally.
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 26 June 2020 10: 45
          +4
          Quote: Snail N9
          Zeroed will "fight" with the West, buying Treasuries and other securities of the "damned West", pushing the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia across Western banks and funds .... thus fight the "hated West", to the last pants and the last bowl of makaroshek- Doshirak of a large part of the Russian population. So we will win! Let's rally.

          The left "doshirak" was eaten, sir ?? How often do you use these mm ... macaroons?
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 25 June 2020 21: 32
        +4
        Yeah, and constantly fighting with Europe even with the same Peter the 1st.
      3. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 27 June 2020 05: 20
        +1
        Quote: Vasya17
        Russian statehood only under Peter the Great became Russian statehood

        fool Yeah? And what happened during the Rurik dynasty? Not a state? and before Peter in the Romanov dynasty?. Learn the history of a one-day bot
        1. Vasya17
          Vasya17 27 June 2020 09: 19
          -3
          Well, come on about the story, only the correct one, not from the textbooks of the USSR and its successor to the Russian Federation. during the dynasty of the branch of the younger Rurikovich in the Principality of Suzdal and Moscow, this territory was not called Rus, then Alexander Nevsky became the twin and adopted son of the Tatar Khan in order to collect taxes from his principality in favor of the Tatars, that is, practically and legally the Principality of Moscow and Vladimir - Suzdal part of the horde. And this should not be shy - at that time, science and art flourished in the Horde, postal and Yaman services worked, Europeans and travelers of the 13-14th century were simply shocked by that civilization. and only Ivan the Terrible decided to be called the Russian prince - and immediately ran into a war with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with Stefan Batory, from which he was defeated and ran a direct call to a personal battle, felts to Mozhaisk felts to some other Zalesye, and then the Crimean Gireys came and the Moscow princes became their vassals and paid them regular tribute until 1702, until Peter the Great got out of vassal dependence on the Girey and only after that he renamed the Principality of Moscow into the Russian Empire
          1. Alexander Seklitsky
            Alexander Seklitsky 27 June 2020 09: 25
            +3
            Well, everything is clear with you. Fire me from your "alternate history" from the Square laughing
            Such a rare nonsense I will not even comment
            1. Vasya17
              Vasya17 27 June 2020 16: 30
              -3
              live in your little world of lies and half-truths, slowly chewing propaganda noodles from your ears
              1. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 28 June 2020 04: 32
                +2
                it’s you who live in a made-up story. Next, tell me about Ukrainian statehood two thousand years before our era .... well, so that the bottom can be completely broken laughing
    6. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 25 June 2020 18: 19
      -22 qualifying.
      Rome also fought for centuries with everyone around. And what did you end up with?
      All when it ends and there is nothing to rely on "centuries". We live now, and accordingly the challenges we have are appropriate for our time, and not for some incomprehensible centuries. Or someone forgot the collapse of the country into pieces in 91? Or was it not? So why can't this happen again? We also have many national entities, and we should not forget about local separatism.
      But in fact, Stevens is absolutely right, one hundred percent. Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in almost all areas - science, social affairs, industry, and foreign policy. Dips literally at every turn. Well, or almost everyone. It won’t end in good, it’s necessary to change such managers.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 June 2020 18: 33
        +8
        "But in fact, Stevens is absolutely right, one hundred percent. Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in almost all spheres - science, social affairs, industrial sphere, foreign policy." Said the one who has nothing to do with science, industry, social sphere at all.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 25 June 2020 18: 53
          -10 qualifying.
          I also have no relation to Kremlin boats and I do not have 30 thousand comments on this site.
          Raising the retirement age is it like, worsening social programs or not? Reduction of free medicine - worsening or not?
          What are our scientific achievements over the past 20 years? Where are our high-tech products, the fruits of domestic science, in what places can I buy them?
          In order to evaluate the quality of bread, you do not have to be a baker.
          In order to appreciate the fruits of Putin’s leadership, it’s not necessary to be Nabiulina.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 June 2020 23: 16
            11
            Comments are written in a few seconds, some of them do several thousand correspondences a day in Vatsap or Viber. A noticeable tendency is that you call those who disagree with your opinion, sucked out of thin air, kremlebots, guardians and other cliches. The retirement age all over the world is increasing and this is a global trend, and spending on social security pensions and other payments in the annual budget is 40% 7 trillion rubles next year, another 990 billion will be thrown into the Pension Fund of Russia. Where is the cut in free medicine? The pole of compulsory medical insurance continues to work and operations on a benefit from the state do the same for paid services, you can make a tax deduction if you officially work, and if you work unofficially, then you do not pay medical fees, then what free medicine do you count on? Where are our high-tech products, probably in those 210 billion of non-primary exports that Russia sold abroad last year, and the products themselves can be easily found on the Internet - but you are not interested in science, mechanical engineering, or the economy, or these goods, so you ask stupid questions "And where" "And show me" And yes, in order to evaluate the fruits of Putin's leadership in a comprehensive manner and weighed the good and the bad, you need to have a mindset, and not sprinkle everything with icteric shit that you collect like a dry sponge all over the Internet, and then dump it on public display ...
            1. Roman123567
              Roman123567 26 June 2020 09: 24
              -5
              Retirement age all over the world is increasing and this is a global trend,

              About the same nonsense is rubbed into Ukrainians, telling them that prices should finally become market prices .. and raise the value of everything and everyone, equalizing to the "whole world" ..
              But it even comes to these galloping ones when they get their salary, that somewhere at the same time they are fooled, to put it mildly ..
              But our patriots at least count on the head amuse ..
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 26 June 2020 14: 22
                +2
                A huge amount of money is needed for any increase in pension and everything else for a country with a 147 million population - I would also like for everyone to have a minimum pension of at least 25000. For this, you need to pay twice as much pension funds to the general PFR boiler and donate from the budget we’ll cut off half of all other budget expenditures and everyone will have a more or less decent pension, but there’s no way to get such amounts to the detriment of other expense items, and if you sell all the property of all our 120 billionaires at market value to the West - since buying it for money no longer will this money last for several years, and then return to the same problem of lack of money for all Wishlist, but you can want as much as you like and anytime. Prices are already everywhere market, both in Ukraine and in Russia, they are always run by speculators, and they are the basis for the pricing of all markets - so to be surprised at price hikes is, to put it mildly, stupid for 30 years living in a market economy.
              2. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 27 June 2020 05: 24
                +2
                Quote: Roman123567
                Ukrainians are rubbing about the same rubbish, telling them that prices should finally become market prices ..

                Your brothers usraintsam rubbed one thing, that breaking all cooperation with "Ahressor" and substituting the backside to the West, oh, how they will heal And you are happily led to this.
              3. Elegant
                Elegant 27 June 2020 15: 37
                0
                All Ukrainians are told correctly - you need to live within your means, that is, prepare for the land. And they are not fooled in this, but in why it happened.
            2. Sly
              Sly 26 June 2020 13: 03
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              .

              What an excellent answer - do not turn it down and do not add, better than you wrote and you will not answer like that hi
              1. werevolf75
                werevolf75 27 June 2020 13: 15
                0
                I completely agree!!! Recently, such comments have been very rare.
          2. bk316
            bk316 27 June 2020 17: 15
            +1
            Where are our high-tech products, the fruits of domestic science, in what places can I buy them?

            Well, since you are a simple consumer and not a "baker", it is useless to write something simple to you about nuclear icebreakers, please. laughing
            You can without taking your ass off the couch and hands from the keyboard to buy for example Kaspersky antivirus. Very high-tech little thing. belay
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 09
          12
          Quote: Vadim237
          In fact, Stevens is absolutely right, one hundred percent. Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in practically all spheres - science, social sphere, industrial sphere, foreign policy "

          This deep post requires argumentation. And Putin simply said this text aftar. We will hit the decision centers. Already need to put such speakers in a psychiatric hospital for the same 15 years because they do not know what they say hi
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          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 25 June 2020 20: 07
            -14 qualifying.
            Quote: Tusv
            Putin just said. We will hit the decision centers


            Is he in the center of Moscow chtoli wants to fuck?
          3. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 25 June 2020 20: 11
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: Vadim237
            In fact, Stevens is absolutely right, one hundred percent. Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in practically all spheres - science, social sphere, industrial sphere, foreign policy "

            This deep post requires argument

            And the statement that summer is in the yard does not accidentally require argumentation? And then after all, you never know what thoughts have an admirer of psychiatric hospitals.
            The list of achievements in science and social science is so long that I don’t even know where to start. request
            Can you help and remind them?
            And Putin simply said this text aftar. We will hit the decision centers

            So what are they waiting for? Sanctions are being imposed, JV2 is being blocked, our citizens are being caught all over the world and dragged to amers' prisons, contracts are being withdrawn, troops and equipment are being dragged to the borders, etc. etc. And it seems that in these very "decision-making centers" no one pays much attention to Putin's chatter.
            Already need to put such speakers in a psychiatric hospital for the same 15 years because they do not know what they say

            Well, in the USSR they did just that. Did it help much? Where is the USSR now?
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 25 June 2020 20: 18
              +6
              Quote: Beringovsky
              The list of achievements in science and social science is so long that I don’t even know where to start.

              I don’t know in science. Not strong. But in the same Ukraine, a hospital tax is being torn. The advanced ones in the Baltic States have higher VAT and personal income tax. In England, five taxes from the RFP from the face. We have only one. The employer pays for the entire social program. And even a homeless person can get insurance. If a passport is available
              1. poquello
                poquello 25 June 2020 22: 34
                +2
                Quote: Tusv
                Quote: Beringovsky
                The list of achievements in science and social science is so long that I don’t even know where to start.

                I don’t know in science. Not strong. ..

                yes tell him in her, too, clearly not strong))))))))
              2. Train
                Train 25 June 2020 23: 07
                -12 qualifying.
                I have a classmate in Russia who turned off the business and went to the Baltic states to raise money. According to him, there’s no business in Russia - they are stifling and strangling. I know this fact personally. Now he lives there and enjoys it
              3. sg7s
                sg7s 25 June 2020 23: 50
                -7
                One figure (hold on tight) - "According to the document of the department, the size of the indexation of insurance pensions will be equal in 2021 to 6,3%, in 2022 - 5.9%, and in 2023 - 5,6%. Thus, the size of the fixed insurance pension for non-working pensioners it will be 2021 rubles (6044,48 million people) in 40,22, 2022 rubles (6401,10 million people) in 40,15, 2023 rubles (6759,56 million people) in 39,68 "- IN OTHER WORDS - by 2023 the pension will be 97 (!!!!) dollars, Should we talk about estonia-moldavia-somalia ?! (And this is only after the promotion in 3 years! Yes, wake up, look around, break out of the Moscow Ring Road !!
                1. sg7s
                  sg7s 25 June 2020 23: 54
                  -8
                  After all, you had parents, brought up something good ?! Personally, I don’t care, I cut off my own, I’ll earn my own penny, old people, villages, provinces (as your generals (spoke recently) say “REGIONS”), have pity, wake up ....
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 26 June 2020 14: 31
                    +2
                    Honestly tell you about these old people their village retirement and other things to put from a high tower - just to hang something. Their problems are known to everyone and every day it does not make sense to shift them from place to place and peck about it like woodpeckers the same.
                    1. sg7s
                      sg7s 26 June 2020 17: 08
                      -2
                      General, my parents receive such a pension, but, by the way, do you know WHERE the current city of Noyabrsk appeared? It is necessary to "hammer like woodpeckers" NOW, while the authorities pay at least some attention to us and monitor such sites (believe me ...)
                      As for "putting" - it would be putting, did not communicate with people like you, sorry ...
                2. werevolf75
                  werevolf75 27 June 2020 13: 19
                  +2
                  Please, tell us how in Estonia-Moldova, etc. !!! Now I am in Moldova, I will laugh.
              4. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 26 June 2020 08: 02
                -3
                The employer pays for the entire social program.


                And where does the employer get the money from? He simply does not pay the employee the salary.
              5. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 26 June 2020 08: 10
                +1
                In England, five taxes from the RFP from the face. We have only one.


                That is, if the employer also pays income tax for us, giving half of all wages earned by the employee to him and the social services, then "there will be no taxes at all" and happiness will come?
              6. Rzzz
                Rzzz 26 June 2020 09: 35
                -3
                Quote: Tusv
                And even a homeless person can get insurance.

                Just the point of that insurance. To the therapist so that Arbidol is prescribed? Any more or less significant medical service is already for a separate denyuzhku. And for some reason this compulsory insurance cannot be expanded at a decent level to a decent level. You can buy yourself a separate insurance, but then the compulsory simply disappears unused.
                By the way, there, "with them", insurance often includes not only medical care itself, but also medicines.
                1. tikhonov66
                  tikhonov66 26 June 2020 13: 13
                  +2
                  By the way, there, "with them", insurance often includes not only medical care itself, but also medicines.


                  - It depends on "what" the patient took "insurance" ...
                  8-))
                  - if the cost of "drugs" does not exceed the sum insured - good health!
                  Well - and if it EXCEEDS - so "call me - bananas do not grow here" ...
                  8- (

                  Here in Russia - the treatment for COVID - is completely covered by the UNIVERSAL MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE (or, more simply, is free for the patient)
                  But "they have" - ​​a lemon of bucks - take it - and put it down. Yes, for such an amount - no health is enough! Well, if the patient has no work (and therefore NO insurance), then PSHEL in three letters - to die at home or on the street - FREEDOM !!!
                  Yes ... and these as well as theirs - Oh! - "human rights"
                  8-)))
        3. Train
          Train 25 June 2020 23: 03
          -7
          And he doesn’t need to be - eyes and ears are enough to hear and see
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 June 2020 14: 35
            +3
            Eyes to see what was written on the fence, listen to the ears of grandmothers on the bench, and your brain to remember all this and pass off as the ultimate truth - you undoubtedly possess all these advantages.
            1. Train
              Train 26 June 2020 21: 05
              -2
              And you probably watch TV in the evenings, you type your mind))) And we don’t read the inscriptions on the fences. We have an objective opinion
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 25 June 2020 21: 34
        +7
        So it’s not we who fought for centuries. They fought against us and we defended. Do you understand the difference? Or is everything violet to you?
        1. Train
          Train 25 June 2020 23: 08
          -11 qualifying.
          We went to Poland, and to the Crimea, fought for the spillway and went to Europe to help the allies. Do not grind heresy. This is politics and geo-politics. Russia is no worse and no better than others.
      3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 June 2020 10: 30
        0
        I missed the legs. Bush ...?
      4. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 26 June 2020 11: 11
        +3
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Stevens is absolutely right, one hundred percent. Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in almost all areas - science, social affairs, industry, and foreign policy.

        Gee-gee-gee. One metro, bridges and cities are worth it. You look at old photos of the streets of Lipetsk, you look out the window - a continuous degradation from a county garbage dump to a gilded city.
      5. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 27 June 2020 10: 31
        0
        Russia is rapidly degrading under Putin in almost all areas - science, social affairs, industry, and foreign policy. Dips literally at every turn. Well, or almost everyone. It won’t end in good, it’s necessary to change such managers.


        All the same can be said of the United States and the European Union.
    7. Story teller
      Story teller 25 June 2020 19: 10
      +5
      Thank them for this very war, thank you, otherwise they would have hoped that the West would give something.
    8. Rzzz
      Rzzz 25 June 2020 19: 14
      -14 qualifying.
      Now the situation is different. The world has changed, and many of us still can’t get it. All to wave with a checker is torn.
      We were placed in such conditions that we are at war with ourselves. And that conditional "west" sits on the sofa and eats popcorn, watching the process.
      And another 15 years of such self-destruction, we really can not stand it. Very high risk.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 25 June 2020 22: 40
        +7
        Quote: rzzz
        We were placed in such conditions that we are at war with ourselves. And that conditional "west" sits on the sofa and eats popcorn, watching the process. And we really can not withstand another 15 years of such self-destruction.

        Do you write from Ukraine?
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 June 2020 08: 04
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Do you write from Ukraine?

          Count it, almost from the center of Moscow. Try not only to watch TV, you will see for yourself.
          But, given that "Ukraine" is written with a small letter, although any autocorrect itself puts a big one - this is already a clinic, there are few chances for a cure.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 26 June 2020 11: 36
            +6
            Quote: rzzz
            But, given that "Ukraine" is written with a small letter, although any autocorrect itself puts a big one - this is a clinic, the chances of a cure are few.
            Well, what can you do if "autocorrect" is set up so, but in general autocorrect is right. for an artificial territorial entity that has proclaimed temporary "independence", the name with a capital letter is too much honor. Although yes, this territory undoubtedly had the chances of becoming a state, but they were uselessly used.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 26 June 2020 13: 24
            +2
            Quote: rzzz
            Count it, almost from the center of Moscow.

            And what oppresses you in the center of Moscow, "pravdorub"? Share at least with the inhabitants of the Moscow suburbs ...
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 26 June 2020 14: 22
              -6
              Quote: ccsr
              "truth-teller"? Share at least with the residents of the Moscow suburbs ...

              Actually, I don’t chop any truth. Why do I need it, who am I to take care of your enlightenment? You have mom and dad for this.
              I simply, out of kindness of my heart, suggested that people think a little bit with their brains, but judging by the number of minuses here, many perceive this for themselves as an insult.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 26 June 2020 18: 36
                +2
                Quote: rzzz
                Why do I need it, who am I to take care of your enlightenment?

                So lied about the center of Moscow, this is obvious.
                Quote: rzzz
                I just out of kindness of my soul suggested people think a little

                Your simplicity of mind immediately face to the table, and you immediately baked, boy ....
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 26 June 2020 18: 51
                  -1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  So lied about the center of Moscow, this is obvious.

                  What is obvious to you, you are our psychic? It was written "almost center". 10 km from the Kremlin fits the concept of "almost"? It took me two hours on foot to reach the next village further.
                  He worked generally at one time, 500 meters from the Red Square. Now I’ve moved to another company, I’m traveling to the region, but it’s even more convenient for me, empty transport.
                  And more politely come on. Did your mother teach you to talk to strangers? Or was it a difficult childhood? Why are you so angry?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 26 June 2020 19: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: rzzz
                    10 km from the Kremlin fits the concept of "almost"?

                    For TTK? So by Soviet standards in the sixties, this was generally the outskirts of Moscow. I realized that you could see from the window, and where you worked as a courier, I do not care.
                    Quote: rzzz
                    Or was it a difficult childhood?

                    It was a normal childhood - you have not seen this.
                    Quote: rzzz
                    Why are you so angry?

                    The talkers are fed up, especially such "valuable workers" as you, who have to drive to work in the Moscow region without even driving their own car.
                    1. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 26 June 2020 20: 37
                      -4
                      Why don’t you like couriers so much? Or have you become a cooler security specialist? And now, of course, you despise couriers.
                      Quote: ccsr
                      It was a normal childhood - you have not seen this.

                      God forbid. So that I also rushed at other people?
                      Quote: ccsr
                      who in the Moscow region have to drive to work not even in their car.

                      Have you been to Moscow, at least as a child, on excursions from school? When I worked in the center, in our company only the owner drove a car. With a driver. Even the CEO tried it once, said the "nuegona ..." spell, and took the subway.
                      You have "your own car" - a sign of prestige, in Moscow many do not have cars and say "and fuck it not necessary."
                      And on transport - good. Here I go in a half-empty bus, drink cold lemonade, and tryndyu in the comments. Not during working hours to deal with this garbage.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 27 June 2020 10: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: rzzz
                        Were you in Moscow, at least as a child, from the school on excursions?

                        Grasp the kettle - since 1984, I have already gone to work in my car, and since then I rarely use public transport. But you don’t understand this, you don’t even know that for Moscow having your own car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation.
                      2. werevolf75
                        werevolf75 27 June 2020 13: 27
                        0
                        good good good 100%. He does not understand.
                      3. Rzzz
                        Rzzz 27 June 2020 15: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: ccsr
                        you don’t even know that for Moscow having your own car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation.

                        He just returned, met relatives at the Kazan station with things. He was exhausted, while he arrived, they dug everything up, changed the movement patterns, hung signs 40 and even 20 with cameras. I would have reached the metro twice as fast, and 5 times cheaper. And he would go, if not for the bags. And this is if I did not catch fines.
                        And this is on a summer Saturday, when the traffic is minimal. So ride every day? Fuck it. We must take care of ourselves and our time. Moreover, the presence of a car in Moscow does not impress anyone. Absolutely nobody cares about your "prestige" here.
                        And I advise you to moderate the ardor. Moreover, if in the 84th year you bought a car, now you are already a deep pensioner. You do not quite understand the current realities, what happened in your time and in your region - it is quite different from the current state of things.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 27 June 2020 16: 43
                        0
                        Quote: rzzz
                        Moreover, if you bought a car in the 84th year, now you are already a deep pensioner.

                        This does not mean that you are smarter than me, and by your reasoning about the car, I already understood what kind of "Muscovite from the center" you are.
                        Quote: rzzz
                        You do not quite understand the current realities, what happened in your time, and in your region

                        My region has been Moscow since the seventies, and I lived at Zhdanovskaya, however, you are unlikely to see the time when the station was called that. So you will teach your grandmother, not me, and what I understand, I am sure you will not master it by 50%.
                      5. Rzzz
                        Rzzz 27 June 2020 21: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        So you will teach your grandmother, not me

                        God forbid, why should I teach you? I do not feel the slightest desire, and do not see the point. Your time has already passed, all that remains is to swear in forums like that with a change in personality.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        My region has been Moscow since the seventies, and I lived at Zhdanovskaya, however, you hardly saw the time when the station was called that

                        Found, how. I have been living in Moscow since birth, only in a less depressed area, my grandfather and grandmother worked at the Znamya Truda plant, and lived not far away. So I'll be closer to the center.

                        Okay, to be honest, the hunt to complete this skirmish, it makes no sense.
                2. bk316
                  bk316 27 June 2020 17: 25
                  0
                  why don’t you like couriers so much?

                  So the high thinker rose to the courier? wassat
                  But does it not seem that thinking about the global world picture goes badly with such a wonderful career?

                  By the way, I personally know about 2 dozen multimillionaire directors so well, of course, all if not in the center, then within the TTC.
                  None of them ride the subway. And it's not about prestige. Health is more expensive.
                  And with traffic jams, everyone just carries their drivers, and while they are driving, they work, who reads the mail, who holds meetings. Well, someone quite smart (like me) walks to work on foot. You just buy an apartment near the office, or vice versa.
                3. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 27 June 2020 21: 43
                  -1
                  Quote: bk316
                  By the way, I know so well personally about 2 dozen multimillionaire directors,

                  Well, here they are, these multimillionaires. For some reason, they work with you as directors, one of the co-owners came to us several times a week, the rest generally lived in warm seas. The director we had was an ordinary employee, though on some very serious salary.

                  Okay, maybe my modest personality is enough to discuss. With the first it was still fun to wrangle, and you are already the third. I'm tired.
                  And in general, in the title picture Putin, but for some reason they are discussing me. Vladimir Vladimirovich may be offended by such a situation.
                4. bk316
                  bk316 29 June 2020 00: 30
                  0
                  For some reason, they work for you as directors., one of the co-owners came to us several times a week, the rest generally lived in the warm seas.

                  So it is accepted in IT. Bill Gates has been a CEO for 20 years. Steve Jobs, Nuraliev, Kaspersky, Novikov .... Just to invest loot in IT is not enough, you also need brains. Therefore, gender, no matter how it is called (SEO or president) is usually a majority.
                  And GDP once in the person of the administration offended me fellow (for the photo with the pike), now I'm not scared laughing Well, yes this is an old story.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 26 June 2020 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: rzzz
          And more polite come on. Mom taught you with strangers speak? Or was it a difficult childhood? Why are you so angry?
          Then not come on, and "let's", all the same you are talking to a stranger.
          Quote: rzzz
          Count up, almost from the center of Moscow.

          If you are more polite, then you would have to write not Count up, "Imagine", but obviously my mother, during your training during your "difficult childhood", did not foresee something.
          PS- do not be rude, but you will be "unhappy". hi
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 26 June 2020 20: 47
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Then do not give, but "give", all the same you are talking with a stranger.

            Yes, I’m not averse, but he was the first to set such a tone of communication. Forced to fall to the level of the interlocutor, but otherwise it will not work, he will not be able to take a polite tone, or else, what good, decides that I bend under his powerful charisma.
            And so, I can talk differently. Depending on the person. I can and very polite, I can also motherly. But the second option and I do not like it somehow, I am a peaceful person.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 26 June 2020 21: 01
              +1
              Quote: rzzz
              But the second option and I do not like it somehow, I am a peaceful person.

              Here! Then for peace and respectful communication drinks
              The points of view may not coincide, but one shouldn't go down to the level of “being a fool himself,” because further dialogue in search of truth loses its meaning.
            2. Rzzz
              Rzzz 26 June 2020 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Then for peace and respectful communication
              Reply

              Is always!! drinks drinks
  • poquello
    poquello 25 June 2020 22: 43
    +2
    Quote: rzzz
    We were placed in such conditions that we are at war with ourselves. And that conditional "west" sits on the sofa and eats popcorn, watching the process.

    heck! the sofa did not fit into the frame!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 June 2020 23: 23
    +7
    Yes, nothing is happening in the West with popcorn now, everyone is overeating - you go out of your imaginary and return to the earth to take a comprehensive look at the news and reports from the west, believe me, it’s very far to sit there with popcorn and staring at Russia.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 26 June 2020 08: 11
      -6
      Quote: Vadim237
      take an interest in news and bulletins from the west, believe me, it’s very far to sit with fattening popcorn and glance at Russia

      You look less at the reports from the west, and more out of the window. There will be more sense. Better yet, do as I do - remove all "federal" channels from the TV.
      As for the West - I have alternative sources of information. Friends emigrated ten years ago. Just in that very Minneapolis. We exchange information a little bit. What they say here, and what is really there.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 26 June 2020 12: 44
        0
        Quote: rzzz
        ... Better yet, do as I do - remove all "federal" channels from the TV.


        - Yes Yes!!! - listen only to "Freedom", "Dozhd", Khodorkovsky and other SUBSTANCES of the State Department of the FSA. After all, only for this - you can (well ... then ... if you are lucky) - to receive from your NEW HOSTS - a personal "barrel of jam and a basket of cookies "- as befits a REAL TRAITOR of his homeland.
        - So that all together accept the "correct" POZA - and amicably await attention from their new overseas master.
        - Just imagine - what if (!!!) you (YOU personally !!!) become his "any wife" ?!
        AND? - Yeah - that’s it - it’s the real happiness of the professional FSH litter.
        8-)))
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 June 2020 14: 32
          -1
          Wow, how many big bukof! What have I hurt you with so that the federal channels are not watching?
          So I don’t even look at Navalny, but now you have studied it well, and the rain canal too. (By the way, where at least you can see it, or they say a lot, maybe it's really worth it). I personally have a question for you personally, why are you watching Navalny if he spoils your mood like that? Or do you like it when you get angry with cramps? I don’t, that's why I look at all sorts of Discovery and others. There, about nature, and about all sorts of interesting things, they show that the mood does not deteriorate.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 June 2020 14: 41
        +1
        I am not interested in your Overton windows - from my window a great view everything is growing everything is changing for the better but there are problems and they are being solved but not all of them are skidding but this does not mean that they are not being dealt with. And I don’t watch TV for a long time. Instead, I have YouTube.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 June 2020 18: 42
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          from my window a great view everything is growing everything is changing for the better but there are problems and they are being solved

          Is it possible in more detail? And suddenly I do not see something, my window is not so transparent.
          No, I'm not saying that "everything is bad with us", you don't need to convince me otherwise. Everything seems to be visible in my window. By the way, where does Overton have to do with it, do you at least know what that means, or just wanted to blurt out a nice word?
          I mean that we do not need to be at war with the mythical "West", although they are trying to convince us otherwise. And they convince very effectively, judging by the number of enthusiasts who diligently knock down my rating.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 26 June 2020 11: 16
    +5
    Quote: rzzz
    And that conditional "west" sits on the sofa and eats popcorn, watching the process.

    The conditional west has already choked up: there are no workers, no farmers, and here the rent is still breaking off. We'll have humanitarian aid "Putin's legs" in the EU to drive. First to Estonia-Latvia, then everywhere. And even Bush will get on his plate laughing
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 27 June 2020 11: 53
    0
    The world has changed

    Who would have thought yes?
    And that conditional "west" sits on the sofa and eats popcorn, watching the process.

    He’s not sitting on the couch, they’re only dealing with fire so far Revolutions of fallen monuments.

    And a dumb afftaar, how would Stevens think there, for example, the imamat will be in Britain’s place, or about the place and role of the states of California or Texas, or the Black states in the post-World
  • Vicontas
    Vicontas 25 June 2020 19: 14
    +7
    I agree that Russia will not tolerate another 15 years! Fucks so that the West itself will think - to grow wiser immediately or torment on nuclear heating!
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 25 June 2020 22: 21
      -9
      What will we fuck?
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 26 June 2020 12: 30
        0
        What will we fuck?


        - ALL
        Someone has something - the one will ... fuck.
        From the shaft to the "Sarmat".

        And it stands on that - and the Russian land will stand.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 26 June 2020 16: 05
          0
          Well, yes, and let the whole world go to ruin by the Sarmatians and Vanguards and ourselves at the same time during the World War, and our children and grandchildren too. Yes? Well, then let's fuck. And our Russian land will stand. Scorched, of course, but who cares. Yes? What stupid people sometimes go ...
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 June 2020 19: 40
    12
    Quote: AlexFly
    Russian statehood has been at war with Europe for centuries (both cold and hot), so for some 15 years they won’t play any special role in this confrontation.

    Anglo-Saxons admit that they are at war with us! And here the question is not only the interests of business, elites and peoples, here we are talking about the WAR OF CIVILIZATIONS, ours and Anglo-Saxon.
    And the peoples as a bargaining chip in the crucible of this war.
    As in the film "Troy" the main character said, "If the rulers themselves went to a duel against each other, before the battle, that would be fun" ... but the rulers send people, and in front, they do not ride a dashing horse.
    Anglo-Saxons were never to us either friends or partners ... and never will be. The world of the Anglo-Saxons will always be hostile to the Slavic world. And I'm not talking about nations, but about ruling circles.
  • venik
    venik 25 June 2020 21: 11
    10
    Quote: AlexFly
    Russian statehood has been at war with Europe for centuries (both cold and hot), so for some 15 years they won’t play any special role in this confrontation.

    ========
    "...How hard it is to live when no one is at war with Russia... ... "(Henry John Temple, Lord Palmerston).
    These clowns cannot do otherwise: they are Russia - "across the throat"- prevents" world order "to direct !!!
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 26 June 2020 11: 21
      +3
      Quote: venik
      These clowns cannot otherwise: Russia - "across the throat" - prevents them from "world order" to direct !!!

      Please note - all the rich prosperous countries - Germany, Korea, Japan - were crowded and are crowded around the USSR / Russia. And around the USA - only Haiti and Honduras with Colombia.
      Why? You cannot rob near Russia. As soon as you begin to rob, the people will rise - and the USSR will become larger.
  • Vend
    Vend 26 June 2020 10: 44
    0
    Quote: AlexFly
    Russian statehood has been at war with Europe for centuries (both cold and hot), so for some 15 years they won’t play any special role in this confrontation.

    That's for sure! The only thing that remains for Western countries is to invent different tales for complacency laughing
  • tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 26 June 2020 12: 20
    +1
    Russian statehood has been fighting Europe for centuries


    - Yes, no "state" - but herself! Russia is at war - from small to large, from tsar to peasants and workers !!!

    Gay Europeans have in the last 500 years - such a traditional "entertainment" - once in a hundred years the whole shobla gathers and go "to fight Russia" ...
    - Come ... Rake ON FULL ...
    Then, until the end of the century - they lick their wounds, bruises and bumps - well, that is - until the last "conquerors", FEELING the "conquest of Russia" on their OWN-leaky SKIN, die out ...
    - And here is the emboldened geyropa AGAIN (or AGAIN?) - is taken to "trample the same rake":

    https://img2.gorod.lv/images/news_item_in_cifs/pic/272749/big/merinov.jpg?v=1472388534

    eight-)))))
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 27 June 2020 15: 54
    0
    Rave. They would say it in the late 80s. When you needed another loan to support a crumbling economy ..
  • prior
    prior 25 June 2020 17: 01
    13
    If another 15 years of war with the West, Russia simply can’t stand it,
    then it’s necessary to destroy the West this year.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 June 2020 17: 04
      +2
      Quote: prior
      If another 15 years of war with the West, Russia simply can’t stand it,
      then it’s necessary to destroy the West this year.

      They will not shoot at their children and real estate ... But the war is very like a production one .. The Anglo-Saxon elite is happy with everything, they have resources from Russia, Russia regularly invests money in their economy .. Everything else is a circus for the average person ..
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 25 June 2020 18: 58
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        They will not shoot at their children and real estate.

        Are you their executor? Or have one crazy American read? I remember the kindred knowledge of the emperors did not interfere, not plain knowledge of the Russian language by mid-level officers .. also .. How did you get the idea that the property of the stealing officials would stop the military from fulfilling the order?
        I’ll answer right away ... the order will be .. Was at 08, at 14..and will be again ..
        Quote: Svarog
        Everything suits the Anglo-Saxon elite, they have resources from Russia, Russia regularly invests in their economy

        If you hadn’t used the manuals, but at least you listened to the analysts .., you would have known .. invested exactly as much as is required to guarantee the property of Western companies in the Russian Federation .., the same parsley with China .. Their investments in treasurers are clearly correlated with with Western funds invested in the Chinese economy.
        Quote: Svarog
        Everything else is a circus, for the layman ..

        The whole world is a theater .. and we are in it ...
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 25 June 2020 19: 14
          -11 qualifying.
          How do you know that the order will be? Are you Putin, Sechin or Shoig? Or
          dvina71
          Are you their executor?

          The war with Georgia and the showdown with Ukraine are not quite the same as the war with Nato. Not even the same thing at all.
          Regarding the correlation of treasure, this is certainly strong wassat
          Fresh thought good
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 25 June 2020 19: 15
            +6
            Quote: Beringovsky
            Fresh thought

            I am glad that you learned the news of which for many years ..
            Quote: Beringovsky
            How do you know what the order will be?

            The answer has already been given .. read carefully ..
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 26 June 2020 12: 24
        0
        ... Everything else is a circus, for the layman ..

        - This is your post - "circus for the man in the street", ordered at the expense of the US State Department.
        and We - we will vote for the amendments to the constitution - and there WILL NOT be "our real estate" abroad.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 June 2020 17: 06
      +5
      Quote: prior
      then it’s necessary to destroy the West this year.

      Yes, he himself copes well with the task of self-destruction. But help is needed. Pushed back.
    3. Evdokim
      Evdokim 25 June 2020 17: 10
      +6
      Quote: prior
      If another 15 years of war with the West, Russia simply can’t stand it,

      We need to see what will happen to Britain in 15 years. Will it be at all, and will it be Britain, and not some kind of caliphate. hi
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 25 June 2020 17: 16
      +5
      If another 15 years of war with the West, Russia simply can’t stand it,
      then it’s necessary to destroy the West this year.

      Why do we need to spoil our karma about them?
      They themselves were already actively engaged in this.
      BLM - 15 years, they definitely can not stand it. bully
    5. doubovitski
      doubovitski 25 June 2020 17: 28
      +8
      Quote: prior
      If another 15 years of war with the West, Russia simply can’t stand it,
      then it’s necessary to destroy the West this year.

      The executioner of European unity has already taken an ax in his hands. His name is Coronovirus. He showed all the lies of solidarity, the common interests of these scumbags of civilization.
  • Kibl
    Kibl 25 June 2020 17: 05
    +7
    Another talking scarecrow, there are such foolish wrappers there. An empty chatter for the complacency of the British.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 25 June 2020 17: 07
    +3
    When London, having already lost the status of a leading world power, could not recognize the loss of its influence in the world.

    London to this day has not recognized this ...
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia simply can not stand it.

    Are we fighting? Here is the news, but let’s take the ICBM for a cozy cottage where this darned condom lives !!!
    But is he sure, by the way, that in 15 years Britain will remain a kingdom and not some kind of emirate?
    to put at the forefront Russia's national interests.

    That's when Putin finally realizes Russia's national interests
    And if he does, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia.

    he will understand who is the enemy of Russia for several hundred years - and this enemy is the European elite, especially the English.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 June 2020 17: 08
    +5
    "And if he does this, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia."
    Even I’m guessing who the West is for Russia? We reject the enemy ... Maybe friends? HZ. But there are options, it turns out. Partners!!!)))
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 25 June 2020 17: 23
      0
      Please do not invent: they are partners only for the Liberty, and then mostly for rear-wheel drive, but such a drive has already been recognized as non-modern and dangerous.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 June 2020 17: 10
    0
    The choice is not great, or become a raw materials appendage of China, or a raw materials appendage of the West and the USA ... Or hope for a color revolution in the USA and the West .. Let the democratic foundations shake ....
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 25 June 2020 17: 27
      +2
      Yes, in general, the liberal foundations are rather flimsy in Russian soil: at least the liberal foundations could not provide the country with a high-quality economy and financial support.
      We are waiting for ripening (if we do not die, then we can wait! laughing )
    2. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 25 June 2020 17: 31
      -10 qualifying.
      Or hope for a color revolution in the United States and the West.
      OK, happened. How will this change the status of a raw materials appendage of Russia?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 25 June 2020 18: 33
        0
        good I give up. I didn’t think of it. And under the colored authorities, we will fulfill our obligations. The only thing is that suddenly after the colored revolution there they will break everything to hell ... laughing ... But our bourgeois will not take advantage of this ...
        1. Harry cuper
          Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 59
          -5
          Appreciated self-criticism wink For some reason I think that they will get sick with this "brain plague". And as for our country, I am also sure that there is no need to "snuggle" to the West or China. Because neither one nor the other needs us. It is necessary to use their contradictions and interests.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 25 June 2020 19: 18
            +1
            And as for our country, I am also sure that there is no need to "snuggle" to the West or China. Because neither the one nor the other needs us. It is necessary to use their contradictions and interests.
            and develop your own ... But, something doesn’t come out ... it’s better to buy than to produce ... cheaper, but we won’t survive with such a policy ...
            1. Harry cuper
              Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 21
              +1
              I agree. But you still have to buy something - there is no other way. But, again, I agree, the more we develop our own, the less will have to buy someone else's.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 25 June 2020 19: 34
                +1
                But you still have to buy something - there is no other way.
                Without this, there is no trade. But we buy, even seedlings ...
                1. Harry cuper
                  Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 37
                  +2
                  Alas, Alexey ... My friend grows flowers and seedlings. Trades, lives with it. All seeds are "made in from there"
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 18
        -2
        Quote: Harry Cuper
        How will this change the status of a raw materials appendage of Russia?

        And what is it that the USA is actively climbing into raw materials appendages? I’d like to ask something. Why Obama has repealed a half-century law on the sale of crude oil
        1. Harry cuper
          Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 23
          +1
          I didn’t understand what you wanted to ask.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 26
            -3
            You claim that Russia is a raw materials appendage. I answer you that the United States is much cooler in this sense. And it started with Obama
            1. Harry cuper
              Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 30
              -5
              I get it. You say that the States also export their natural resources. This is true, but they also produce a lot. You can see, for example, the structure of exports from the United States and Russia. Draw conclusions without my participation.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 38
                0
                Quote: Harry Cuper
                You can see, for example, the structure of exports from the USA and Russia

                Well yes. They give us iPhones from China, and we give them high-quality titanium alloys and rocket engines. Yes, they steal AK. Do you know why Trump and Mr. C. got into disagreements? Because of the gas. They delivered and did not blow into the mustache. Trampushechka turned away, so he immediately lost the market. Very correct FSB colonel
                1. Harry cuper
                  Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 40
                  -5
                  Are we on "you"? I don't remember ...
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 44
                    -1
                    Are we on "you"? I don't remember ...

                    Respected. Where did I say "You"? All phrases on "you" Although in our environment on "you" is an insult
                    1. Harry cuper
                      Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 50
                      -6
                      Do you know why
                      I don’t mind, I just don’t remember.
                      Although in our midst
                      I'm not from your environment smile
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 25 June 2020 19: 52
                        -1
                        But they publicly accused me of poking you. This is an insult by the way
                      2. Harry cuper
                        Harry cuper 25 June 2020 19: 56
                        -5
                        Come on, I didn’t even think of blaming you. Clarified. But if you insist, we can delete this part of our correspondence
    3. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 25 June 2020 21: 38
      +2
      You build one plant and there will be 1 more plant in Russia. In the meantime, we are glad that we have. Vet what is, many do not. From there the "partners" bark.
  • 1536
    1536 25 June 2020 17: 11
    +2
    And so they plunder mineral resources, steal or buy young specialists, impose their own morality, their own laws, their idiocy. It is the West that has been at war with Russia since 1991, striving to completely destroy the state and the people in order to extend their own existence and the dying economy and demography. Unfortunately, the Russian government and business are giving in, giving up their positions, acting to please the European swindlers - the Germans, the French, the British. In 15 years, it is worth waiting for a new invasion of our country, if these filibusters with black or rainbow banners fail to introduce a new "Gorbachev" into the power structures before that. To expel all this pack from the country, so as not to interfere and not shine.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 25 June 2020 17: 20
      +1
      This West has been at war with Russia since 1991,
      ... I’ll recover from October 1917 ... in 1991. The West has succeeded ... and is now succeeding ... The West will help us ... we simply cannot live without Western investment, technology ... In all kinds of economic forums talking about it ...
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 25 June 2020 19: 04
        0
        Quote: parusnik
        ... Correct from October 1917

        Correct .. if the KNK wars with the Teutons and Swedes are attributed to the brackets .., then the collective wars of the West, first against the Moscow Kingdom, began with the decline of the Golden Horde ..
        Although .. I wouldn’t put the war of the KNK on a separate list .. The first sanctions against the Russian principality were imposed by the Hanseatic, stopping the supply of iron in pigs to Novgorod .. and somehow carried away .., still can not stop ..
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 25 June 2020 17: 29
      +1
      Well, what are you all "West, West ..." - you might think that Russia has only one enemy and this is some kind of West - you should not look at the toes of your boots ...
  • HAM
    HAM 25 June 2020 17: 13
    +3
    And Stevens didn't say why Britain came out of the "collective west"? After all, the islanders smell something ...
    and the Chinese will still remember the "opium wars", so they are afraid in advance ...
  • edeligor
    edeligor 25 June 2020 17: 14
    11
    Nothing changes over time. Take any newspaper 100 years old or 200 years old - everything is the same! Backward Russia, progressive West. Only from the next guano, into which the advanced celestials manage to get, we pull them out ..., "barbarians". Maybe hwa? Leave the new sodomites alone, let the progressive regress)))
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 25 June 2020 17: 14
    +9
    Centuries Englishwoman crap. So what? She herself has reduced to the level of a contingent servant, waiting outside the door for the bell and the owner’s order. Impotence of power in Albion. The leader of the empire, who once held the whole world in iron blinkers, riding a bicycle with the look of a village fool. Wild envy of those who, having lost half the country, rises and becomes one of the centers of the world.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 25 June 2020 18: 41
      +1
      We still cannot succeed in getting up; the model is not the same. But with the savagery and wretchedness of the current political elite of the West (beside Aunt Angela, this one looks stronger, because it is an East German) and small Britain in particular completely agree. The trend is now among Freemasons, chaos in everything. Serious people in power are not needed, the water should be cloudy and pink with blue tint.
  • Gaubvaxta
    Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 17: 16
    +1
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia will not stand

    Well, of course .. You know the history of Russia, gentlemen .. We’ve been fighting both east and west for 1000 years .. And we are only getting stronger, although it’s difficult.
    Who else wants the "body" of Russia? Get in line, to break the backbone with all sorts of "exceptional", this is our world mission has become ..
    Now of course, you want to undermine us from the inside, and you almost succeeded, but ..
    While at least one Russian is alive, Russia cannot be broken!
    Pathos of course, but let's check ...
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 25 June 2020 17: 17
    +4
    As for me, it’s better for another 150 years of war with WestLome than peace and friendship with them.
  • Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 25 June 2020 17: 30
    +1
    Something recently "Europeople" twitched ... And nteoesno why would it?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 25 June 2020 19: 06
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir M
      Something recently "Europeople" twitched ... And nteoesno why would it?

      It takes a new scaffold of the victim .. what they dragged from the remnants of the USSR has already run out .. Here they are preparing for this ...
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 25 June 2020 17: 32
    -9
    would the West be the enemy -Swift was turned off, hydrocarbons stopped buying and hi Stalinist barracks instead of high-rise buildings and eating indiscriminately
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 25 June 2020 19: 13
      0
      Quote: Igoresha
      hydrocarbons stopped buying

      AND? The price would soar on them so that the Stalinist barracks with a three-time rations would seem like a paradise.
      Quote: Igoresha
      swift disabled

      AND? No other systems? But the CIA’s mime would have sent transaction data ..
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 June 2020 17: 32
    0
    GDP and thinks about national interests. The truth is more about the national interests of Russian capital. But, if we think about the interests of the West, we will generally have a cover. What about the war? So our whole life is war - before lunch with hunger, after lunch with sleep. You think of yourself Anglo-Saxons. We will survive any gimp, but you are unlikely.
  • Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 25 June 2020 17: 32
    +8
    Over the past 500 years, history has shown that fighting the west is cheaper than making friends
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 June 2020 17: 34
    +1
    I don’t understand, they believe that they are immortal. The VVP has already expressed himself on this subject. If I’ve been alive for 15 years, I will send an application to God for hiring a pan in hell through hh. I will have fun. I already have a letter of recommendation.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 25 June 2020 17: 35
    +1
    I don’t understand, are they really such fools or are they pretending to be? It does not even reach them that we do not need superpower, but ordinary sovereignty and independence.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 25 June 2020 18: 18
      -2
      and ordinary sovereignty and independence.
      ... But we don’t have it? ... It seems like from June 12, 1990 ... laughing
  • Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 25 June 2020 17: 42
    -8
    Withstand something, Russia will survive for 150 years. Even if the economy slides to the level of the kingdom of Ivan the Terrible. It’s pointless to argue that Russia is no longer a superpower. Who to lean against, to China or the West is another question. IMHO horseradish radish is not sweeter. It would be better for no one, balancing precisely on the contradictions and interests of both the West and China.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 25 June 2020 18: 06
      +4
      Quote: Harry Cuper
      It’s pointless to argue that Russia is no longer a superpower.

      It makes no sense to say anything at all about Russia as long as it is able to drive the United States and China into the Stone Age at the same time. However, the Americans themselves understand this, and various mitrofanushki will never understand this, because they are used to measuring the greatness of the country only by sausage. So Russia does not need to "adore" to anyone, it is self-sufficient - it is because of this that they hate and fear us in the West and in the East.
      1. Harry cuper
        Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 35
        -11 qualifying.
        The absence / presence of nuclear weapons is not decisive for the status of a superpower. China and the USA have the same tool. Measuring the greatness of the country only in nuclear weapons is a mistake
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 25 June 2020 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: Harry Cuper
          The absence / presence of nuclear weapons is not decisive for the status of a superpower.

          Of course, Israel’s nuclear weapons can only scare neighbors, which is why this state will always be a small-town country. But the country that can destroy the whole world, even walking in loincloths, will be a superpower for all other countries. This is understood by experts, and various verbiage still believe that European countries mean what in this world. But they will be disappointed in reality - when they are forced to go to mosques, then they will understand what real independence is.
          Quote: Harry Cuper
          Measuring the greatness of the country only in nuclear weapons is a mistake

          This demagogy for politicians does not stand up to criticism - the example of North Korea perfectly shows what it means for a country to have its own nuclear weapons, which even Americans have to reckon with in that region.
          1. Harry cuper
            Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 55
            -11 qualifying.
            Once again, the mere possession of nuclear weapons does not make the country a superpower. You correctly cited the example of Sev. Korea. As for mosques - look at Moscow on Muslim holidays.
          2. Gaubvaxta
            Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            Of course, Israel’s nuclear weapons can only scare neighbors, which is why this state will always be a small-town country. But the country that can destroy the whole world, even walking in loincloths, will be a superpower for all other countries.

            Well, I would not say that about Israel ... This is their office, but they can very well lobby the world and unleash a world war ..
            Quote: ccsr
            This demagogy for politicians does not stand up to criticism - the example of North Korea perfectly shows what it means for a country to have its own nuclear weapons, which even Americans have to reckon with in that region.

            It's just that there is no Jewish lobby there, as in China ...)))))
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 25 June 2020 19: 36
          +1
          This is an argument that cannot be argued. Yesterday, Trump applied the wartime law to develop a hyper-rocket. For his super-duper rockets, the law of the 50s. Probably burns out, the stone (nuclear) flower doesn’t come out of the Americans. If only the master Danilos did not cross over to them.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 17: 44
    +6
    "Putin should discard the stereotypes that he formed from his service in the KGB during the Cold War and put Russia's national interests at the forefront. And if he does this, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia."
    The Anglo-Saxons were not the enemies of the Indians of America and the natives of Australia ... And the blankets with smallpox and the killing of the Indians, soldering is so ...
    Churchill did not kill the Indians in India. And before Churchill they didn’t touch anyone in India .. wassat
    1. Sergey Zhikharev
      Sergey Zhikharev 27 June 2020 16: 24
      0
      A colleague then was a business. And the thing is the past (and generally the Indians tied themselves to the guns and fired, and all blamed on the poor British).
      So with Russia - it is not an enemy of the Western world.
      It’s just that the western world has interests and business
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 25 June 2020 17: 46
    0
    The West is not an enemy for Russia


    every day they prove it, and do not blush, it’s not funny
  • Good forester
    Good forester 25 June 2020 17: 47
    +8
    Russia became close to the West in the 90s, and almost lost their pants. The so-called friends destroyed our industry light and heavy, Medetsyna, the defense industry. Russia does not fight the west. Now tell me, where did the last three wars come from?
    1. DeKo
      DeKo 25 June 2020 17: 55
      +8
      Thank God Nemtsov did not become president of Russia. Not so long ago, his daughter showed diaries. In which it was written that becoming the president of the country, Nemtsov planned to divide Russia into 4 parts. Giving each under the control of Germany, Japan, England or the United States. And I wanted to declare the bowels of Russia the property of mankind
  • DeKo
    DeKo 25 June 2020 17: 50
    +6
    I looked here in the newspapers, 2002. There the British and other Canadians prophesied that Russia could not reach 2010
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 June 2020 17: 51
    -1
    Quote: hydrox
    Please do not invent: they are partners only for the Liberty, and then mostly for rear-wheel drive, but such a drive has already been recognized as non-modern and dangerous.

    Don't you know who we call "partners" in diplomatic circles, including the President, so as not to look rude?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 25 June 2020 17: 57
    +3
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia simply can not stand it.

    This opinion is expressed by Philip Stevens in an article published by the British edition of the Financial Times

    It means that the Russian Federation will withstand. wink
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 25 June 2020 18: 01
    +1
    Britannia? That's who has not yet answered us for Sevastopol.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 June 2020 06: 23
      0
      Sevastopol for the minor is a mourning event, because in the Crimean War the color of their nation at that time fell. So they can’t calm down in any way.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2020 18: 01
    +2
    So it turns out Putin invented to poison the Skripals. What stupid are these Western scribblers. Not a damn thing will come of them, we will survive them.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 25 June 2020 20: 24
      +1
      Please note, hi everyone forgot about Skripaly and Boeing MH17 ... Meanwhile, the Anglo-Saxons owe us Kirpir and Ireland for these things ... Doloohooooo and a finger with a claw from a barrel, as in a fairy tale ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 June 2020 18: 01
    +4
    Quote: Igoresha
    would the West be the enemy -Swift was turned off, hydrocarbons stopped buying and hi Stalinist barracks instead of high-rise buildings and eating indiscriminately

    And you didn’t ask yourself a question - to whom will it cost more?
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 05
    -2
    wassat The poisoning of Ivan the Terrible, the assassination of Paul the First, the massacre at the embassy in Persia, the assassination of Rasputin ... You don’t have to be a fray ...
    Now, too, someone is being killed by MI-6, will be declassified later ...
  • Poetry
    Poetry 25 June 2020 18: 11
    +1
    No need to align us with these moral disabilities. If we were the same, we would not become enemies. Our Ancestors did not catch unfortunate blacks in the jungle and did not bring them for sale to the New World. Again, let them look after themselves, otherwise they will look at something. If in 15 years Scotland and Sev. Ireland then we will be surprised too.
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 25 June 2020 18: 14
    +4
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia can not stand it and crash it!
  • PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL 25 June 2020 18: 17
    +2
    I see no reason to somehow evaluate the words of an ordinary journalist from England. Pay him more and he can write such a piece of shit about any country. "Erdogan is in vain puffed up to recreate the Ottoman Empire, etc., etc." or "Ukraine is trying in vain to return its original territories in Kamchatka" or "The Vatican sleeps in vain and sees Afghanistan in its composition."
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 June 2020 18: 29
    +1
    The British press: Another 15 years of war with the West, Russia will not stand

    British press = "British scientists" lol
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 June 2020 18: 35
    +1
    laughing "Cold war", and put at the forefront the national interests of Russia. laughing Stevens was still stuck in the 19th century.
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 25 June 2020 18: 44
    -1
    If the Anglo-Saxons began to rush about this topic, it means that their affairs are bad ..... When everything was good, they did not call on Russia to cooperate with them ....
    Squeaked where !!! ??? Killed? angry
  • iouris
    iouris 25 June 2020 18: 45
    0
    From this it follows that
    1) They are at war (and they are throwing us here!). 2) They expect that the war can last another 15 years (and this is good news). Question: do they themselves live 15 years?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 June 2020 18: 52
    +2
    Quote: Tank jacket
    "Putin should discard the stereotypes that he formed from his service in the KGB during the Cold War and put Russia's national interests at the forefront. And if he does this, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia."
    The Anglo-Saxons were not the enemies of the Indians of America and the natives of Australia ... And the blankets with smallpox and the killing of the Indians, soldering is so ...
    Churchill did not kill the Indians in India. And before Churchill they didn’t touch anyone in India .. wassat

    A beautiful and detailed story about the ONLY military conflict of the times of Alexander III, after which the British tried to threaten us with military force, everyone needs to read. After what you now find out, the British tried to put pressure on our king, demonstrating their readiness to move to war. The emperor was not afraid for a minute and ordered the Baltic Fleet to be fully prepared. And to the proposal to punish General Komarov, he replied like this: "I am the only judge to how faithfully my command has been executed."

    And ... awarded the general with golden weapons.

    And the British ... were blown away. laughing
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 25 June 2020 19: 18
    +3
    will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia.
    I almost fell off my chair. Wow. And in general, an article in the style of open-ended profanity. Western "sharks of the pen, these virtuosos of rotary machines" have completely lost their skill. They mold a humpback without hesitation.
  • K-50
    K-50 25 June 2020 19: 37
    0
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia simply can not stand it.

    Is there a war between us? belay
    So graters, unpleasant, yes, but call it a war, how to put bubbles in a puddle. fellow
    I will say this. We practically do not feel your war. lol
    This is how the ukrovermaht has been at war with us for 6 years, but we don’t know. wassat
  • Kestrel
    Kestrel 25 June 2020 19: 58
    +8
    Friendship with NATO cost Russia as World War II. So do not English to teach us how to live!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 25 June 2020 20: 22
    +1
    As for Britain, whose cow would have mooed .... From an empire over which the sun does not set, she slipped and continues to join the states, such as her dominion of Canada, or rather her former rival at sea, Holland. A country with History, a great contribution to science and art, a large number of historical buildings, but ... it was all in the past.
    Like the financial center of the world, London, along with New York, it is also similar in the past.
    And now - the violin-scandal - the most grandiose act that the decrepit empire is capable of, and not to give them assessments of Russia. And we need to worry about them.
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 25 June 2020 20: 31
    +1
    British uch ...
  • Charik
    Charik 25 June 2020 20: 46
    -1
    here downs-the USSR for 5 years all Europe bent, and they want to fight with Russia for 15 years
  • Charik
    Charik 25 June 2020 20: 51
    0
    it’s there-superman-supergirl-super-super-missile-and Russia is not a superpower, so the Federation
  • alexey1213
    alexey1213 25 June 2020 21: 27
    -1
    A strange war is being obtained. Children and families of officials live abroad; they have money and real estate business there.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 25 June 2020 22: 51
    -1
    And, on the one hand, the British publication Financial Times., On the other hand, a bunch of the most important oligarchs during the epidemic simply pulled over the hill. And obviously not in red China.
    And tourists returning from the "terrible west" were not put into quarantine (unlike "from a friend - china" in the Far East.)

    What kind of war ??? Friends are rivals in the world of capital.
  • lot
    lot 25 June 2020 23: 16
    -1
    Nothing changes. We will throw our hats, we can repeat and so on.
    The West is our whole oligarchy, capital, children, castles and so on.
    They steal.
    The constitution and the fact that the corrupt girl with her guarantors and curators.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 25 June 2020 23: 48
    +2
    If Russia nationalizes all strategic enterprises that we have under the control of the oligarchs, then we will survive any shock
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 26 June 2020 08: 20
    0
    Another 15 years of the war with the West, Russia will not stand


    Better to die standing than to live on your knees. (from)
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 26 June 2020 09: 26
    +1
    Putin should discard the stereotypes that he had formed from his service in the KGB during the Cold War and put Russia's national interests at the forefront. And if he does, he will understand that the West is not an enemy for Russia.

    Well, for the sake of Russia's national interests, it will be necessary to work like Stalin .. but not to steal like Yeltsin .. And this is not so interesting ..
    Much more fun to fight with windmills ..