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The developers of "Almaty" cured her of "childhood diseases"

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The developers of "Almaty" cured her of "childhood diseases"

Military equipment created on the Armata platform no longer suffers from childhood illnesses. Over the past five years, it has been able to perfectly study.


About this RIA News рассказал Uralvagonzavod representative Mikhail Begman, who led the team preparing this equipment for the Victory Day parade on Red Square.

He noted that over the years the company has already become accustomed to “Armata”, learned all its features. What kind of "children's diseases" was spoken by the representative of Uralvagonzavod, he did not specify. And now, when this technique goes to rehearsals, Mikhail has no vain experiences. He is absolutely calm, although he feels a burden of responsibility on himself.

The conversation took place immediately after the Parade, where "Armata" showed itself in all its glory. Its developers have every reason to be proud of their work.

The team of employees of Uralvagonzavod, accompanying the equipment to the parade in Moscow, totals 50 people. Their task includes maintenance and diagnostics of military vehicles. In addition, the company's specialists advise and train the crews of the arriving armored vehicles. Their task was to ensure that the T-14 Armata (and other equipment on the same platform) worked reliably during rehearsals and at the parade itself.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 25 June 2020 10: 54 New
    12
    After the cure, the replacement of existing equipment will go ..?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 June 2020 11: 00 New
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      After the cure, the replacement of existing equipment will go ..?

      This is an uncomfortable question ... but relevant laughing
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 25 June 2020 11: 48 New
        +2
        it still needs to be accepted. what is inconvenient in this matter?
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 25 June 2020 12: 27 New
          +6
          With this light still work, but work. For such a technology, the future. The product is very promising. Everything has its time.
          1. Gaubvaxta
            Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 18: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: siberalt
            With this light still work, but work. For such a technology, the future. The product is very promising. Everything has its time.

            I agree ! It’s not in vain that all sorts of bad things backward, etc. .. This means that the development turned out well, but work and work more ..
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 25 June 2020 12: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        replacement of existing equipment

        A complete replacement is impractical, too expensive. Most likely it will be used as a CABG or unmanned reconnaissance as part of a thin unit.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 June 2020 18: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          A complete replacement is impractical, too expensive.

          And then in the next 15 years it will not be a complete replacement, for there is a T-90M, which today should take the place of MBT instead of 72-ki.
          But ... a lot of work remains to be done on the T-14 and we are unlikely to see it in the troops in the finished serial version before 25 years. There are questions on the dvigun and the gun and the shells ... One thing is positive, the Armata platform is DOING it, and not letting it drift.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 25 June 2020 11: 07 New
      -19
      It has been repeatedly stated to me with foam at the mouth that the experimental batch has long been in the army. Almost a battalion is being run in, but here I read:
      In addition, the company's specialists advise and train the crews of the arriving armored vehicles.
      Who, then, is running in battalions of "arm" in the troops?! ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 25 June 2020 11: 49 New
        +7
        long. and how do you identify sores? poke method?
      2. AVA77
        AVA77 25 June 2020 13: 07 New
        +8
        The leader of the redskins. Do not be offended, but I am minusting you already out of habit. You are an inveterate pessimist and all a prowler. We are all bad!
        Yes nifiga, everything is bad with you. We have a normal life, we will not die wink .
      3. D16
        D16 25 June 2020 17: 51 New
        +1
        Who, then, is running in battalions of "arm" in the troops?! ...

        Contractors In parades, by tradition, conscripts drive vehicles. Their breeders and teach.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 June 2020 18: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        It has been repeatedly stated to me with foam at the mouth that the experimental batch has long been in the army. Almost a battalion is being run in,

        And you carefully watched the same Parade when the T-14s were passing by. What did the announcer say? What division are those tanks in?
      5. The comment was deleted.
    3. Esaul
      Esaul 25 June 2020 11: 08 New
      +8
      No, they will continue to rid Armata of teenage problems)))
    4. shinobi
      shinobi 25 June 2020 11: 34 New
      0
      Armata, in this particular form, will never appear in the troops. A small installation party (12 cars) is checked (by a "fool") by a new recruit in a suburban (large state secret) unit. After no earlier than 25-26, the final form of the platform will be adopted , the price is determined and whether the tank will be bought at all. Don’t spit and don’t throw stones at me. Such is the practice. So many of our numbered research "objects" have remained with them. The scuffle of the media and officials is irrelevant. What will be the tank of the future, the question is very complicated and there are no unambiguous solutions because of the ambiguity of the question itself.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 25 June 2020 11: 42 New
        14
        Quote: shinobi
        A small installation batch (12 cars) is checked (by a "fool") by a recruit in some Moscow region (large state secret) unit.

        Back in 2017, they wrote that it would be the 1st Guards Chertkov Regiment of the Taman Motor Rifle Division (according to the statement of the High Command of the Ground Forces). EMNIP, at yesterday’s parade, the Armat crews were from this regiment.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 25 June 2020 11: 55 New
          +1
          unit on b 3 was 90 and t 14 was 27 separate Sevastopol
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 25 June 2020 17: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            unit on b 3 was 90 and t 14 was 27 separate Sevastopol

            Hmmm ... I believed Izvestia, who writes that the T-90M crews were from the 27th brigade, and the T-72BZ and T-14 crews were from the 1st regiment.
            The T-72B3 and T-14 Armata tanks were led by the 1st Guards Chertkovsky Regiment of the Taman Motorized Rifle Division. But the newest T-90M “Breakthrough” was controlled by the fighters of the 27th Separate Guards of the Sevastopol Motorized Rifle Brigade near Moscow. It is noteworthy that in the same column with the “nineties” of “Sevastopol” there were also “Almaty” of the 1st Guards Tank Regiment.
        2. shinobi
          shinobi 26 June 2020 09: 47 New
          0
          Do you believe the media? In vain. The media, especially the "independent" ones, is an instrument of information war. As it really is, no one will ever tell you. Not in one state for the exact state of affairs (in any state) is the "biggest state secret" .
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 35 New
      +8
      May God grant T90M in bulk. And KAZ is on them.
    6. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 June 2020 12: 39 New
      12
      Armata is not a substitute for existing equipment, rather an addition, a sort of Tiger, for the T4. Most likely there will be a slow delivery to the troops with subsequent modernization. This is expensive. Maybe we’ll do 500 pieces.
  2. Poetry
    Poetry 25 June 2020 10: 59 New
    +7
    The armor is strong and our tanks are fast ...
    Even the modernized T-72 is still relevant today.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 37 New
      +9
      Actual, but there are many that are not there. For example, a remote module with a 12,7mm machine gun. Or birdhouse with bulletproof glass. Panoramas with a thermal imager.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 25 June 2020 11: 40 New
        +1
        I agree. The weapon itself is only half the battle. It all depends on which crews are sitting at the armor.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 42 New
          10
          Theoretically, BO with T90M should be sculpted on T72 as well. Turks and Jews did so on the M60. A 125mm gun is enough for everyone. Communication is needed, a connection with the group, a thermal imager, and a protected shooter.
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 25 June 2020 11: 46 New
            +3
            I remembered how the Saudis in Yemen threw their “Abrams” and fled faster than Usain Bolt. By the way, the "abram" does not have an automatic loader. If I do not confuse anything.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 54 New
              +6
              There he is not the most important.
              1. Poetry
                Poetry 25 June 2020 11: 56 New
                +3
                Any calculations are good until the first clashes.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 57 New
                  0
                  They had a shot in Iraq ....
                  1. Poetry
                    Poetry 25 June 2020 11: 59 New
                    -1
                    Well, yes, Armata is still a kindergartner. Snot must be wiped.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 05 New
                      +5
                      The bar is very high and there are a lot of technologies that have been applied. (They are new both for application on the tank and for their production in industry)
                      1. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 07 New
                        +9
                        The crew is in an armored capsule. It is very important. A competent harmonious crew is priceless.
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 13 New
                        +1
                        And it is difficult and not clear how resistant to damage.
                      3. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 15 New
                        +5
                        And polygons? Surely extinguished from all types of weapons.
                      4. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 22 New
                        +3
                        As our Colonel said in military courses: if Bops hits and does not even break, then often the electronics simply turn off.
                      5. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 26 New
                        +2
                        I served for a long time, still in the ranks of the SA, when the 40th And was still “beyond the river”. When I see Armata it seems to me that this is from the realm of fiction. Backward, in short. Thanks for the educational program, Zaur.
                      6. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 29 New
                        +2
                        For example, a 125mm high ballistic gun. If everything is so good, then where is she on the T90M? With a "long" bops? In NATO countries, such weapons have been standing for about 20 years.
                      7. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 31 New
                        +1
                        Is the T90M a Breakthrough?
                      8. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 32 New
                        +3
                        Yes. There they announced such a gun, then put the old one.
                      9. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 33 New
                        +2
                        So something did not go.
                      10. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 35 New
                        +1
                        They wrote that metallurgy cannot produce stably and serially billets of the required quality. But, by and large, for local wars and an old gun is enough.
                      11. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 39 New
                        +2
                        This shell is bops, 100% accurate?
                      12. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 42 New
                        +2
                        How to aim. We had an officer with a 100mm smoothbore MT12 with 1,5km in Verona. With 8x ordinary sight. And the tank has a computing machine and a rangefinder.
                      13. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 44 New
                        +1
                        Plumage what gives? Stability of flight to the target?
                      14. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 12: 50 New
                        +4
                        The plumage compensates for the absence of grooves on the barrel, which were removed to increase the speed of the projectile. Otherwise, they will wear out quickly. Up to 1000m / s rifling, over-smooth trunk .... and now speeds of 1400-1900m / s.
                      15. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 12: 53 New
                        +2
                        I get it. What people can’t come up with to kill other people. I was glad to talk with a competent person. Good luck.
                      16. Gaubvaxta
                        Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 18: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Poetiszaugla
                        I get it. What people can’t come up with to kill other people. I was glad to talk with a competent person. Good luck.

                        I join interestingly and simply writes .. hi
                        Russia has to invent, otherwise they will destroy us .. This is constantly happening in our history! Do not give us a peaceful life.
                      17. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 18: 22 New
                        +2
                        Our country is our All. This is the last line of defense. We will no longer have another. It's just that not everyone is aware of this. Our enemies have been preparing our murder in cold blood for many years. Everything else is irrelevant.
                      18. Gaubvaxta
                        Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 18: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Poetiszaugla
                        Our country is our All. This is the last line of defense. We will no longer have another. It's just that not everyone is aware of this. Our enemies have been preparing our murder in cold blood for many years. Everything else is irrelevant.

                        Eh Sergey, they wrote well, but not everyone understands this .. Especially here on the Internet, they overwhelmed us to the fullest and the worst thing is they are trying to blow up the situation from the inside, through our youth, etc. ....
                        Well, nothing, I’m sure that we will break through this time. hi
                      19. Poetry
                        Poetry 25 June 2020 18: 47 New
                        0
                        If you can’t defeat us in a fair fight,
                        So the memory must be erased, mine and yours.
                      20. Gaubvaxta
                        Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 19: 25 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Poetiszaugla
                        If you can’t defeat us in a fair fight,
                        So the memory must be erased, mine and yours.

                        But Sergey goes on like that .. They clean the memory of the young generation first and foremost .. Well, the fight goes on!
                  2. Qas
                    Qas 27 June 2020 08: 17 New
                    0
                    And that is why our "elite" buys houses for themselves abroad + their citizenship + their children there.
  3. Qas
    Qas 27 June 2020 08: 13 New
    -1
    And the crew outside the armored capsule (in the T-72, T-80, T-90) is he less literate, less coherent and less valuable?
  • Grits
    Grits 25 June 2020 14: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    There he is not the most important.

    The most important Negro there. Muscular
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 14: 26 New
      +4
      And yet ..... on Leclerc he is, on Abrams not .... everyone chooses. And they do not make new tanks, but upgrade the old ones with the systems that we put on the T14 .... and it has been there for 10-15 years. Like a long BOPS with an arrival under 1 meter, like an OMS (we have just reached this level now). Maybe a black man and that's enough.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 25 June 2020 11: 56 New
    0
    yeah. for 1300 pieces.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 25 June 2020 12: 43 New
      0
      It seems that the newly made corporals from Ukraine are minus you.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 June 2020 13: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        It seems that the newly made corporals from Ukraine are minus you.

        They are not up to it now. They will help celebrate. After all, the “Boomerang” on the street in Moscow was smoking.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 June 2020 10: 59 New
    0
    Maybe so ... or maybe not. Anyway, the main test of the battle ... but do not and will trample.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 25 June 2020 11: 01 New
    11
    What a pathos statement. On the T-34, children's illnesses were treated even after several years of fighting, and here on you they were cured! laughing
    You can talk as much as you like about the excellent immunity of the child, but it is worth taking him to kindergarten, and the child begins to get sick much more often. Armata in the kindergarten was only on a distance excursion.
    So the statement is pure pathos.
    P.S. I am not trying to prove that the tank is bad.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 June 2020 11: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      On the T-34, children's illnesses were treated even after several years of fighting, and here on you they were cured!

      Well, there was an order - to correct deficiencies and modernize 34ki in the production process, so as not to slow down the rate of deliveries of tanks to the army.
    2. Region68
      Region68 25 June 2020 12: 29 New
      +4
      It says there ..
      ,,, reliably “worked out” both during rehearsals and at the parade '' '' '
      To do this, and the fact that healed))
      Nothing more is required of her
    3. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      What a pathos statement. On the T-34, children's illnesses were treated even after several years of fighting, and here on you they were cured!

      It’s just that the T-34 had a “childhood” during a turbulent period, and during the war it was necessary to simultaneously make cars and bring them to mind. And here 10 years calmly rolled the machine around the landfills, tested and corrected the jambs with a file ...
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      You can talk as much as you like about the excellent immunity of the child, but it is worth taking him to kindergarten, and the child begins to get sick much more often.

      And this is the next stage - now the child has been given the necessary complex of vaccinations and hardening procedures, but when he goes to kindergarten, for example in Syria, then he will earn serious immunity, so to speak, in the field))))
  • A1845
    A1845 25 June 2020 11: 31 New
    +5
    And what is the pathos? Eliminated the defects - well, a common thing for new technology.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 June 2020 11: 37 New
      +5
      On his biathlon
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 25 June 2020 21: 58 New
      -1
      What defects have been fixed? Those identified during the fighting? wink
  • Free wind
    Free wind 25 June 2020 12: 20 New
    +5
    Interesting car. The main thing is not to fight.
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 June 2020 13: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      Interesting car. The main thing is not to fight.

      Read the story. Almost every generation is at war.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 25 June 2020 13: 51 New
      +4
      In order and a tank to fight. But, preferably, not in our territory. And even better - with foreign crews. And for our interests.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 25 June 2020 12: 43 New
    -2
    Measles and whooping cough have passed, hypertension, osteoporosis, community-acquired pneumonia and other diseases have begun. Adult diseases.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 25 June 2020 13: 32 New
    -4
    Armata has one childhood illness - the French matrix. And Yes, if you carefully watched the Parade, the T-14 is already in service in the Russian Federation
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 June 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Tusv
      Armata has one childhood illness - the French matrix.

      Do not carry nonsense! stop
      https://fishki.net/2028654-rossija-sumela-sozdat-sobstvennuju-teplovizionnuju-matricu.html

      FEM18M-03 has been produced for a couple of years.

      And in the T-14 Armata:
      https://topwar.ru/144042-holding-shvabe-osnastit-armatu-noveyshey-opticheskoy-sistemoy.html
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 June 2020 14: 01 New
        0
        Do not carry nonsense!

        Out of principle
        Quote: Mikhail Bulgakov
        this is by no means rubbish, as you deigned to express yourself to the ladies, but a string of well-packed syllogisms
        1. Genry
          Genry 25 June 2020 14: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          syllogism

          repeat Another word immediately came to mind ... similar to "anarchism."
          But I do not want to offend anyone. hi
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 25 June 2020 14: 18 New
            +1
            We have to honor the classics, and even in Us, “Boys are engaged in humanism under the covers” - this is from Radio Day
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 19 New
          0
          Let’s say culturally - this is fiction - the “French matrices” were relevant only for the early T-90s, when we didn’t have ours, for a long time all these French matrices were “Russified by the Chinese method”)))))
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Tusv
      Armata has one childhood illness - the French matrix.

      Why are you reading this? I dare to ask ...
      And why only in Almaty? Thermal imagers of this type have a lot here, why don't you write about the T-90M?
  • Chever
    Chever 25 June 2020 15: 41 New
    +1
    Stumble if so
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 25 June 2020 16: 00 New
    +3
    Cool, and purchases will not be in 2150?
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 June 2020 16: 10 New
    +2
    Only at least TEN years of military operation and an adequate attitude of the manufacturer’s design team to the claims of tank-exploiters will be able to fully cure ARMATU.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Evil 55
      Only at least TEN years of military operation and an adequate attitude of the manufacturer’s design team to the claims of tank-exploiters will be able to fully cure ARMATU.

      If you consider that this machine is far away for the future, then yes, and most likely it’s not a disease, but the identified design flaws: a child’s disease "is when something doesn’t work correctly, and the drawback is when it is not designed that way from the beginning. ..
  • yfast
    yfast 25 June 2020 17: 14 New
    +1
    .
    And in the T-14 Armata:
    https://topwar.ru/144042-holding-shvabe-osnastit-armatu-noveyshey-opticheskoy-sistemoy.html

    So did or are still going?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: yfast
      So did or are still going?

      It’s been a long time, but only quietly — the friends of the friend’s brother of the Minister of Defense and senior general designers of the cleaning mop present in the office of the company located next to the plant will tell you that there is nothing, you know all the polymers where and in general it is cardboard. ..
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 25 June 2020 18: 59 New
    +1
    Armata no longer suffers from childhood illnesses. Over the past five years, it has been able to perfectly study.
    And now, when this technique goes to rehearsals, Mikhail has no vain experiences. He is absolutely calm, although he feels a burden of responsibility on himself.
    rzhunimaga, finally in 5 years you can drive out to the parade without worries, at such a pace in 50 years you can fight on it
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 June 2020 23: 22 New
      0
      Quote: _Ugene_
      rzhunimaga, finally in 5 years you can drive out to the parade without worries, at such a pace in 50 years you can fight on it

      You, dear article, carefully read - the car was made to work as it should, without failures and jambs, and not for the parade, but for operation in the army ...
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 26 June 2020 09: 41 New
        -1
        I actually first quoted the article from the article, and if you yourself read it, you should have seen that the general message of the article is just that, but there is nothing about the fighting qualities and troop supply, the emphasis in the article is that
        And now, when this technique goes to rehearsals, Mikhail has no vain experiences. He is absolutely calm, although he feels a burden of responsibility on himself.

        therefore, this article causes only laughter
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 26 June 2020 16: 20 New
          0
          Clearly, they didn’t understand anything ...
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 26 June 2020 18: 16 New
            -1
            But what is there to understand? everybody knows this, armata is a ceremonial tank, they have been carrying it in parades for many years, and now
            now, when this technique goes to rehearsals, Michael has no vain experiences
            but it wasn’t there anymore in the troops, they decided to put some crumbs into the troops, but Michael now has no vain experiences, we are so happy for Mikhail
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 27 June 2020 00: 54 New
              0
              Quote: _Ugene_
              But what is there to understand? everybody knows this, armata is a ceremonial tank, they have been carrying it in parades for many years, and now

              Ugum, a tank have been driving around landfills for 5 years, they are tested in different climatic conditions - from salt marshes to the Arctic, it’s a purely ceremonial tank, ugum, while canting jambs constantly rule, they change sighting systems to better ones according to test results, yes, this is clearly pure front car ...
              Quote: _Ugene_
              but in the troops it was not there anyway,

              And what will he be with the troops, 5 years after the first batch, when even the T-72 took almost 7 years to do this? T-72, which is simple as an ax, and this machine in many respects has reached the planes in terms of complexity!
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 27 June 2020 10: 14 New
                0
                Do not compare with the T-72, 5 years have passed from the beginning of development to the adoption of it and the beginning of mass mass production. The T-14s have been transported for 5 years in parades, and they began to develop in 2009, 11 years have passed and there is no talk of mass production, a tiny amount has been ordered at the moment
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 27 June 2020 11: 39 New
                  0
                  The T-72 is as simple as an ax! Here we are dealing with a machine of difficulty level almost a fighter! Do you even know that ha T-14 AFARs are? And it’s not even AFARs of a separate KAZ, as on some Western vehicles, it’s the radars of the tank itself! This machine has a digital board, into which all the electronics of the machine are integrated, while any new electronic devices must still be seamlessly connected ...
                  And while all this must withstand a direct hit BOPS go powerful landmine and not be cut off ...
                  You try - put a sledgehammer on your computer with all its might and look what will happen to it, and here it is this option - the most complicated computer should not even scratch itself in this case ...
                  1. _Ugene_
                    _Ugene_ 27 June 2020 14: 20 New
                    0
                    is it really not clear that the T-72 is as simple as an ax now, more than 50 years after development, and at the end of the sixties of the last century it was the same advanced tank of its time, AFARS, a digital board and so on are normal attributes of a modern car, so a comparison in terms of time it quite logically and clearly shows where our science and production has slipped after the collapse of the USSR
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 27 June 2020 15: 01 New
                      0
                      Quote: _Ugene_
                      is it really not clear that the T-72 is as simple as an ax now, more than 50 years after development, and in the late sixties of the last century it was the same advanced tank of its time

                      Ahem, given that this machine was designed precisely as simple as possible in production to be mass? That he appeared precisely as a simplification of the complex T-64, and then a really complex tank appeared - the T-80, so it was complicated.
                      Quote: _Ugene_
                      AFARS, a digital board and so on are normal attributes of a modern car

                      Ugum, such a level of digitalization and integration of all tank systems in a single, is now available on only two machines - the "black panther", and the latest versions of Leclerc, which are also discontinued ... Both cars are NOT very massive ...
                      That is, cars are not very simple. So to compare the T-72 and T-14 even adjusted for the historical period is very incorrect. Are you aware that in the USSR new tanks - prototypes of the same T-14 were not seriously considered as full-fledged mass vehicles? What was the concept of the simultaneous presence of a mass machine in the troops and quite simple - this role was assigned to numerous attempts to modernize the T-72/80 (of which the simplest one, T-90, and even in a more simplified form, was realized), and as powerful and a complex next-generation combat vehicle (a hypothetical "hammer" from Kharkov or a promising tank from Tagil then).
                      So even then there was an understanding that a T-14 tank would NOT be simple and baked like hot cakes in the manner of T-72 and T-34 ...
                      1. _Ugene_
                        _Ugene_ 27 June 2020 15: 44 New
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                        that’s all right, there are enough excuses, it’s possible to further refine about 10 years, it’s not clear why they started to show it to the whole world 5 years ago, when there were work ahead for many years, so that the “partners” would not lag behind and start developing answers early?
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 27 June 2020 16: 33 New
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                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        that’s right, there are enough excuses, you can safely modify it for another 10 years, it’s not clear why they started to show it to the world 5 years ago, when there was work there for many years to come,

                        Not excuses, but reasons! And how did they begin to show it? Ratings, PR, etc ...
                        Although I'm here, as a modeler, even glad)))
                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        Is it so that the “partners” do not lag behind and start developing answers early?

                        The partners already know everything without any shows, etc., if they would start at the same time everything that needs to be developed, only also quietly, without PR ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 June 2020 20: 31 New
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    Like all commentators in Armata, he didn’t sit at the levers (steering wheel). He was cured of childhood diseases, well, okay!
  • warriordima
    warriordima 26 June 2020 01: 58 New
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    Armata Tank Parade,
    Tank for the bourgeoisie
    And not for the proletariat!))
  • itis
    itis 26 June 2020 19: 30 New
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    appearance, some kind of "not scary"?
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 June 2020 10: 42 New
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    The best doctor is war. And before her is always full of childhood diseases.