“Crimea has never been Russian”: Germany is confident that Moscow will return the peninsula

Crimea never had deep historical ties with Russia and was not Russian; Despite all the statements, after the end of Putin's rule, the peninsula will again return to Ukraine, since Russians do not want to spend huge finances on its maintenance. Andreas Umland made this statement in his article for the German edition Focus.

According to the author, all statements that the Crimea is linked with Russia by historical roots are "just a widespread myth." Crimea was conquered in 1783 by Catherine II, and from 1802 to 1917 Crimea was part of the Taurida province, connecting Crimea with the present southern part of continental Ukraine, but not Russia. From 1954 to 1991, Crimea was part of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, so when the Soviet Union collapsed, it was left in its composition, and then Russian President Boris Yeltsin admitted it.

In addition, the author of the article claims, the indigenous people of the peninsula - the Crimean Tatars - are “anti-Putin” and want to reunite with Ukraine. This is directly stated by representatives of the Majlis (banned in Russia) and Kurultai. Russians on the peninsula are in the minority and are not indigenous.

The military capture of the peninsula in 2014, supported by 70% of Russian citizens, led to great economic problems in Russia itself and spoiled the country's foreign relations, the author emphasizes. Moscow had to "pour" $ 2014 billion into the Crimean economy since 20, but it still did not solve all the problems, even the construction of the Crimean bridge connecting the peninsula with the continental part of Russia did not help to solve them completely. True, the author admits, partly the economy of the peninsula was boosted by Russian tourism and investment, but if the Russian economy collapses, problems will begin in Crimea.

According to Umland, in 2014, Putin, during the annexation of Crimea, referred to the historical experience of the reunification of Germany, but this is incorrect. According to him, comparing the reunification of Germany and the capture of the Crimea is incorrect.

True, these two "associations" have a completely different nature, with regard to the reasons, methods of implementation and significance. Crimea cannot be compared with the German Democratic Republic, and modern Russia - with West Germany in 1990. Crimea compared with the Russian Federation is much smaller than the GDR compared with the then Federal Republic

he writes, adding that, unlike Russia and the Crimea, western and eastern Germany have been linked historically for centuries, on their territory lived one people, not different.

Thus, the author concludes, a “realistic” assessment of the likely internal processes in Russia suggests that the capture of Crimea is a temporary phenomenon. The Russian economy will not be able to maintain the peninsula in the future, and as soon as Putin leaves power, Crimea will return to its "historical homeland" - Ukraine.

Comments

[Svetlana]

That private opinion, no more. And not all Germans think so. The same Schroeder, for example, says the opposite.

[svp67]

Quote: Svetlana

That private opinion, no more.

This is not an opinion, this is nonsense.

In addition, the author claims, the indigenous people of the peninsula are Crimean Tatars

Crimean Tatars, as "indigenous" as everyone else, they are newcomers and they came there during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, in this case the more "indigenous" are the Greeks ...

Russians on the peninsula are in the minority and are not indigenous.

He would have at least looked at the results of the population census, for 2014, the peninsula lived
Russian - 65,2%
Ukrainians - 16,0%
Crimean Tatars - 12,6%

[Reptiloid]

...... This is not an opinion, this is nonsense .....

German victim of the exam !!!!
Do not remember him how the alien lands were attached from ancient times to the present. From King Germanarich. What did they do with the population? Enslaved, destroyed ..... fire and sword. Thinks that no one knows the story

[paul3390]

I wonder - why are there Tatars like an indigenous population there ?? The Russian Tmutarakan principality was there at least 200 years before them !! And in general - if so, from the end of the existing peoples in Crimea the Greeks live the longest ...

[major147]

Quote: paul3390

I wonder - why are there Tatars like an indigenous population there ?? The Russian Tmutarakan principality was there at least 200 years before them !! And in general - if so, from the end of the existing peoples in Crimea the Greeks live the longest ...

Let me remind the German "historian" of the previously shown information about who, when and how long owned Crimea.

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

He would have at least looked at the results of the population census, for 2014, the peninsula lived
Russian - 65,2%
Ukrainians - 16,0%
Crimean Tatars - 12,6%

And this "pearl of this ichiotka:

and from 1802 to 1917, Crimea was part of the Tauride province, connecting Crimea with current southern part of continental Ukraine, but not Russia.

what is it worth?

How can pro-ancient province RUSSIA (!), connect Crimea with ...of today... Ukraine?
She would still know h and Tauris is RUSSIA illegally transferred to Ukraine.

This ignoramus will say about the Russian cities of Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson that they have never had a relationship with Russia .... that this is .... "Ukraine", which did not stink there in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Done., Yes ...

[Vend]

Quote: svp67

more "indigenous" are the Greeks ...

Not indigenous are the Cimmerians and Scythians, the Greeks are also newcomers)))

[svp67]

Quote: Wend

Not indigenous are the Cimmerians and Scythians, the Greeks are also newcomers)))

And yet from the "newcomers" they are more "indigenous", they remember the Cimmerians, the Scythians, and the Taurus

[January]

And what, in 2014, there was a census in \ in Ukraine? That's because bastards, and the whole world is crying that they last corresponded in 2001 ....

[Akuzenka]

Berlin was NEVER German. There lived the Slavs, whom the Germans basically destroyed. Return Berlin to Russia !!!!!!!! And the island of Rugen, also Russian! Let them return to their swamps on the border with France and eat leeches. This is also my opinion.

[iouris]

And they forgot about the Genoese: well, these are the owners of Swiss banks today. And they earned their capital through the trade in slaves, "white blacks", mainly "ancient ukrami". By the way, it was they who directed the process of digging up the Black Plague?

[Insurgent]

“Crimea has never been Russian”: Germany is confident that Moscow will return the peninsula

Yesterday, against the background of the Victory Day parade, I was revising the film "The Third Strike", 1948 release ...


Here in it, the refrain sounds that Crimea was considered theirs - Germans, Turks, Romanians, but in reality, Moscow will decide who it will be...

[doubovitski]

Quote: Insurgent

The Germans, Turks, Romanians considered Crimea to be their own, and in reality, it was Moscow who decided who it would be ...

Forgotten Greeks, Pechenegs, and dinosaurs.
If you start with the Tertiary period, then trilobites will be offended. The city of Berlin is therefore named. that the bears ruled there. Hence the name. Would he fix this situation for himself?

[Akuzenka]

Quote: doubovitski

If you start with the Tertiary period, then trilobites will be offended.

Trilobites became extinct at the border of the Paleozoic era with the Mesozoic, at the end of the Silurian period. The Tertiary or Neogene period is 300 million years old, approximately. For years, I do not remember the exact numbers. So you have enough with trilobites.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: AKuzenka

Quote: doubovitski

If you start with the Tertiary period, then trilobites will be offended.

Trilobites became extinct at the border of the Paleozoic era with the Mesozoic, at the end of the Silurian period. The Tertiary or Neogene period is 300 million years old, approximately. For years, I do not remember the exact numbers. So you have enough with trilobites.

In-in! In those days, it seems to me, there was neither the Crimea, nor the Black Sea. And, in general, the then geography did not closely resemble modern geography.

[doubovitski]

Quote: Sergey Karasev

Quote: AKuzenka

Quote: doubovitski

If you start with the Tertiary period, then trilobites will be offended.

Trilobites became extinct at the border of the Paleozoic era with the Mesozoic, at the end of the Silurian period. The Tertiary or Neogene period is 300 million years old, approximately. For years, I do not remember the exact numbers. So you have enough with trilobites.

In-in! In those days, it seems to me, there was neither the Crimea, nor the Black Sea. And, in general, the then geography did not closely resemble modern geography.

In those days, of course, only proto-Ukrainians inhabited the Earth. Busy were the beautification of the Black Sea.

[doubovitski]

Quote: AKuzenka

Quote: doubovitski

If you start with the Tertiary period, then trilobites will be offended.

Trilobites became extinct at the border of the Paleozoic era with the Mesozoic, at the end of the Silurian period. The Tertiary or Neogene period is 300 million years old, approximately. For years, I do not remember the exact numbers. So you have enough with trilobites.

I agree. It has long been, memory failed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

Here in it, it sounds like a refrain that the Crimea was considered theirs - Germans, Turks, Romanians, but in reality, Moscow will decide who it will be.

That’s all said, once and for all.

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Insurgent

Here in it, it sounds like a refrain that the Crimea was considered theirs - Germans, Turks, Romanians, but in reality, Moscow will decide who it will be.

That’s all said, once and for all.

By the way, if my memory serves me (and there is no time to fumble in the network), then according to the Russian-Turkish agreement Crimea belongs to Russia, and if Russia refuses Crimea, it comes under Turkish jurisdiction. There are no "Ukrainians" in this agreement!

[Terenin]

Nothing new . The Victory Parade is over, now American and German funds are sponsoring a protest against the amendments, including and the prohibition of the alienation of part of the territory of the Russian Federation.
This article is a pure and detailed sketch on the info-fan of anti-Russian hysteria, as part of the terms of reference of the State Department. Now this chorus will be picked up by "our" 2% of the liberal sludge.
By the way, why instead of the author of the article - "the site of the Kremlin"? .

[Akuzenka]

Quote: Terenin

By the way, why instead of the author of the article - "the site of the Kremlin"? ...

Because official propaganda is anti-Russian. Really did not notice before that?

[Terenin]

Quote: AKuzenka

Quote: Terenin

By the way, why instead of the author of the article - "the site of the Kremlin"? ...

Because official propaganda is anti-Russian. Really did not notice before that?

Yes, Alexander, something I - burst

[Qrank]

And here is another opinion, but not private - the Turkish party proposed to recognize Crimea as Russian

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/06/2020/5ef388e09a7947572e3c9e36

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Qrank

And here is another opinion, but not private ...

But, and in Germany there are right comrades !!!
Just the other day, in the city of Gelsenkirchen, a monument to Lenin was unveiled at the initiative of the Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD) What Die Welt newspaper wrote about. The statue was cast in Czechoslovakia in 1957. Its height is more than 2 meters. There were opponents of this, but the Administrative Court allowed! Although the party of the MLPD is small, she managed to get it! Despite the protests.

[tech3030]

These are real comrades!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: tech3030

These are real comrades!

The ruling party and Merkel were against it.

[mark1]

Well, why discuss every jerk. He will agree to the extent that Crimea is a historical German land (some kind of Hitler Youth)

[sevryuk]

And rename it Gothenland ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: mark1

Well, why discuss every jerk. He will agree to the extent that Crimea is a historical German land

But during the period of the occupation of the peninsula, the Germans under the auspices of the odious "Ahnenerbe" carried out archaeological research in order to prove that the Nordic Aryan race had formed and began its progressive development there in the Bronze Age.

Research began in July 1942. With the assistance of Gauleiter Alfred Frauenfeld, the first archaeological expedition to the peninsula was organized. The excavation team was supervised by the SS brigadenführer von Alvensleben.

The excavation was also watched by two Wehrmacht officers - Captain Werner Baumelburg and Colonel Kalk. The overall direction of the archaeological work was entrusted to Alfred Rosenberg.


Heinrich Himmler also equipped his expedition to Crimea. In search of the Crimean "treasures" Herbert Yankun was sent.

In the summer of 1942, the expedition began exploration and excavation in the Crimea and the Northern Black Sea region. Dr. Carl Kerstein, who specialized in the Bronze Age of Northern Europe, helped Yankun. The second assistant was the archaeologist from Latvia, Baron von Seefeld. In addition to knowledge of the epoch of the Goths, he also spoke Russian, and therefore established relations with the local population.

Excavations were carried out at Mangup-Kale, where the ancient Goth settlement was previously located. We managed to explore the cave cities. The main task of Nazi archaeologists was to find justifications for the presence of ancient Germans on the peninsula.

Yankun was given the task of finding the capital of Gothia by analogy with the existence of Naples Scythian. By the way, the Nazis planned to explore the Scythian mounds in the Crimea.
The Nazis managed to remove many valuable artifacts from the Museum of the Crimea, but the offensive of the Red Army prevented the excavation.

The plan of the top Nazi Germany in the Crimea, included:

· The project of the complete transformation of the peninsula into the German lands of Gotenland ("Gotenland"). Called the project "Gotengau".

· Simferopol, according to the project was renamed Gottsburg, and Sevastopol became Theodorichshafen.

· The plan of the route from Hamburg to the resorts of Crimea.

· Relocate German families to Crimea, creating here a kind of German reviera.

[Akuzenka]

Quote: Insurgent

But during the period of the occupation of the peninsula, the Germans under the auspices of the odious "Ahnenerbe" carried out archaeological research in order to prove that the Nordic Aryan race had formed and began its progressive development there in the Bronze Age.

Me too! The Russians always knew this, because the Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other peoples who inhabited the USSR were direct descendants of the Aryans. And the Germans clung to it. They have an inferiority complex from this, and their brains have moved to one side.

[tech3030]

Insurgent - I want to personally apologize to you for my statements! Was wrong! Not in this thread, but as it were.

[major147]

Quote: mark1

He will agree to the extent that Crimea is a historical German land

More Jews claimed the Crimean lands ....

[Insurgent]

Quote: major147

More Jews claimed the Crimean lands ....

There was a Jewish-Anglo-Saxon alliance on this subject, whose main guardian and lobbyist was W. Churchill ...

And yet V.I. Stalin gave way to their coordinated pressure, and granted them autonomy ... in the Far East

[Poetry]

In the queue ... kina children! Abyrvalg.

[Pereira]

I heard that ataman Gitlerenko was planning to take Crimea to himself. So can it be immediately transferred to Germany, without laying in the form of the Outskirts?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

So can it be immediately transferred to Germany, without laying in the form of the Outskirts?

They won’t take Crimea, but they’ll take the gasket.

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

the gasket will be taken.

Without residents. They simply won’t feed so many gorlopans ..

[boris epstein]

People's Republic of China to them all! People's Republic of China can decrypt in their own way, but one of the options is the Kherson People’s Republic.

[parusnik]

It started Mr. eeeeeee water through the pipes ..... Our song is good, start from the beginning ...

[x.andvlad]

And the author of the opus, apparently, has Goebelsian historical roots.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: x.andvlad

And the author of the opus, apparently, has Goebelsian historical roots.

The author of the opus simply did not bother to get acquainted with the text of the agreement between Russia and Turkey on the transition of Crimea to the Russian Empire, where the word "Ukraine" itself is completely absent as a concept. And yet, yes, at the time when the overseas masters of the current political beau monde of Germany were electing the first president of the United States, Crimea was Russian for several years.

[your1970]

Lord !! Yes, Germany even 150 years ago looked like a bunch of different states. And even each money issued its own ...
About free cities, there’s even no talk. And this is a single state ????

[Mountain shooter]

It is not even worth starting a discussion of this "vys ... ra" ... Historical excursion ... where he only learned this, about the majority of the Tatar population, about the "Tauride province" - a part of Ukraine ...
Well, why on IN all this nonsense? Especially for the collection of statements, for the most part not censored?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Don't even start ...

I agree with you in everything, as well as with other colleagues, except for the last phrase: you need to know the enemy. We’ll see a kilogram of such stuffing. Purposeful work is underway to replace concepts and Crimea is only a fraction.

[Topol M]

From a dead donkey ears, not Crimea Outskirts !!!!

[HAM]

It contradicts itself: Crimea in the Russian Empire was more than two hundred years old, and in the Ukrainian SSR -30 ... .... so whose Crimea? Moreover, the Ukrainian SSR is no longer ...
chickens don’t peck right in Kuyev ...

[Poetry]

The most interesting thing is that the fan of banging his boot on the podium grossly violated the then Constitution, according to which there should have been two referendums on secession from the RSFSR. "Kemsk volost? Let them take it."

[Essex62]

Well, this bald one has done so much that it only swears and remains. What is in, categorically unaware.

[Poetry]

It is impossible. I have already been punished. Sometimes there are not enough words. Some epithets ...
Peace to you.

[Pravodel]

It’s amazing whether the journalist-journalists generally lost their conscience, or maybe they didn’t have it, or they got stoned or got drunk for writing an article ... It would be nice, before writing such articles, to ask the French and English with whom they fought in times Crimean wars, probably with aliens or with Indians evicted from America, who later switched to the Russian side and returned to America through Alaska. Then one could ask the relatives of U. Churchill, if they are still alive, who killed his ancestors during the Crimean War and on whose territory they are buried. By the way, W. Churchill specially went to bow to the ashes of his ancestors during the meeting of the Big Three in Yalta. He would have been surprised if he had been told then that his ancestors had been killed by aliens or, for example, rebellious sepoys settled in the Crimea. Indeed, in truth, it could be aliens or sepoys ...
And so, the more nonsense the journalists invent, the better everyone lives in a prosperous Europe.

[210ox]

This German just lives on another planet. He was especially touched by the belief that the Tatars represent the majority of the inhabitants of the peninsula. Big child who was puffed up in his ears.

[Terenin]

Quote: 210ox

Big child who was puffed up in his ears.

Dmitry, I don’t know about the ears, but they definitely cheated it on the wallet.

Somewhere in the telegram channel Golovanov, the Germans themselves laid out the terms of reference of the State Department with the dates and prices of publications and their payment. Even receipts in receiving this money.

[V1er]

The Germans would still tell us if our Russian Crimea has a connection with Russia or does not. I think that Berlin is not a German city, you need to return it to the Franks, like all lands. After all, present-day Germany grew out of the East French kingdom.

[AU Ivanov.]

That's when the Germans give Berlin to the Franks, then we will return Crimea to the Greeks. The ancient Greeks.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: V1er

After all, present-day Germany grew out of the East French kingdom.

Berlin was founded by the Slavs.

[Liam]

The first mention of Berlin is 1237.
And Albrecht the Bear expelled the Slavs by 1157 and settled the deputy flanders, the Dutch, etc.

[V1er]

Well. Also, the Slavs need to return a lot. The Germans have a lot of work, there is no time to talk about Crimea.

[EvilLion]

And the German is aware that the bulk of Ukrainians according to the passport, having received new passports, recorded themselves as Russians, and Crimean Tatars, who in Ukraine were practically non-civilian there, about 10 percent of the population?

[major147]

Quote: EvilLion

And the German is aware that the bulk of Ukrainians according to the passport, having received new passports, recorded themselves as Russians, and Crimean Tatars, who in Ukraine were practically non-civilian there, about 10 percent of the population?

I didn't find the "nationality" column in my Russian passport

[EvilLion]

Especially. We do not know all Russian citizens and no "Ukrainians".

[Dmitry Potapov]

It is interesting, then, when Crimea was Ukrainian if you do not take into account the transfer of Khrushchev to the Ukrainian SSR?

[helmi8]

According to the author, all the allegations that Crimea has historical roots with Russia are just a common myth. Crimea was conquered in 1783 by Catherine II, and from 1802 to 1917 Crimea was part of the Tauride province, connecting Crimea with the current southern part of continental Ukraine, but not Russia. From 1954 to 1991, Crimea was part of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic

The author with logic and knowledge of the history of the problem ... Until 1917, there was no talk of Ukraine. There was a Russian empire. Ukraine, as part of the USSR, was formed in 1919. WITHOUT CRIMEA. And only since 1954, Khrushchev included Crimea in Ukraine. And who has more historical ties?

[Evdokim]

What a spreading cranberry. Yes, even with such an abstruse tone. Well, just bushes of red caviar.

[Vladimir_6]

Crimea has never had deep historical ties with Russia, and despite all the statements, after the end of Putin’s reign, the peninsula will again return to Ukraine

And what is the matter of the German Andreas Umland to the Crimea. If he is really German.
He would have better taken care of the problems with the influx of all rabble into Germany.

[Dmitry Potapov]

And Kaliningrad is always Russian!

[rocket757]

With such a statement in his article for the German edition of Focus made Andreas Umland.

Fu, fu, fu, I read ka into something obscene got involved.
It’s not beautiful, it’s not .... distorting other people's names \ surnames, but Dur / A \ k - the land is suitable for this shot more than ever.
Moreover, with education there, by the word, there is no way and forever ... although, tossing such silverfish or greens, they also recognize their own mother as a stranger who is not his own or not related.

[Dmitry Potapov]

And Kaliningrad is always Russian!

[Poetry]

I’m not repeating it twice. I do not repeat. Was the conversation about Crimea or am I confusing something?

[Sibguest]

Will give east fantastic!
Herr Umland - you need to change your surname according to your inflection: remove the first two letters.

[kartalovkolya]

Dreams, dreams where is your sweetness, dreams are gone, muck remains! And Germany was never German, but originally a Slavic territory! And Hitler was never a flayer, but an angel! About such "analysts" (from the word anus), Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov clearly said: "Morons bl .... b"

[Retvizan 8]

As always, statements about correct and incorrect unification of territories sound ridiculous.
Those that are conducted by the West are correct, if it concerns Russia it is not right.
And Germany eighty years ago squeezed the Sudetenland from the Czech Republic and then all the advanced and civilized European powers unanimously supported and recognized this robbery.

[Campanella]

Counter offer, again to separate East Germany from Germany!
Different Germans live ideologically and mentally there. Let this ylo prove that it is not.

[Cyril G ...]

I support. Well, very different people. And for some reason they don’t like blacks, but the GDR still loves

[Errr]

From the article:

Crimea has never had deep historical ties with Russia, and despite all the statements, after the end of Putin’s reign, the peninsula will again return to Ukraine ...
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah ...
With such a statement in his article for the German edition of Focus made Andreas Umland.

Well, here’s quite a bit of Wiki :

Andreas Umland (German: Andreas Umland, b. 1967) - German political scientist. Founder and chief editor of the book series “Soviet and Post-Soviet Politics and Society” - “Soviet and Post-Soviet Politics and Society” of the German scientific publishing house “Ibidem”, Stuttgart / Hanover (125 volumes from 2004 to 2013). He is a specialist in the fields of Russian ultranationalism, European neofascism and comparative democratization, as well as post-Soviet higher humanitarian education and social studies. The author of more than 180 scientific and journalistic articles about today's extremist trends and political transformations in Eastern Europe.
Since 2010, lecturer at the German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) and Associate Professor, Master's Program in German and European Studios, Department of Political Science, National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, Ukraine. Regularly published in Open Democracy (London), Harvard International Review (Cambridge, Mass.), Foreign Policy Journal (Washington), Ukrainian Truth (Kiev), “Mirror of the week” (Kiev), Ukraine-Analysen (Bremen), "Ukraine-Nachrichten" (Dresden). Member of the Institute for Central and Eastern European Studies of the Catholic University of Eichstätt since 2008. Founder of the Kiev Political Discussion Club of the German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD). Member of the Valdai International Discussion Club and the International Advisory Council of the Rights in Russia Charitable Organization (Great Britain) since 2010. Member of the Scientific and Expert Council of the Committee for European Integration of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and the Civil Council of the Ukrainian Section of the International Association of Students of Political Science since 2013

Everything is very clear - the uncle of Natsik is studying. Only now, he wouldn’t have been ill by chance, otherwise nazi love - she's so unpredictable ...
And the geography of this figure must be repeated, so as not to freeze more about the "Russian minority" in Crimea. You look, and on Valdai you would pass for a smart one.

[Sklendarka]

You know, to me personally, "before the light", what shredders and so on. Gansy say. The local population has once killed a white horse and where did this population end up ???.
And what’s interesting, but for what ... Hans got into the Crimea?
I understand that the Turks would blather ...

[The Siberian barber]

German "2" for knowledge / understanding of history
About Ebn: so he forgot about him, in a drunken stupor and from "prospects"

[tihonmarine]

Crimea cannot be compared with the German Democratic Republic, and modern Russia - with West Germany in 1990. Crimea compared with the Russian Federation is much smaller than the GDR compared with the then Federal Republic

If Crimea is smaller than the GDR, then this can be quickly fixed. Or Crimea to make more of the GDR, or GDR less of the Crimea.

[Amur]

Man divorced from reality.

[major147]

Quote: Amur

Man divorced from reality.

"Russians do not want to spend huge finances on its maintenance."

He also asked all Russians what they want and what not.

[Cyril G ...]

he, adding that, unlike Russia and the Crimea, western and eastern Germany have been linked historically for centuries, on their territory lived one people, not different.

author (Andreas Umland) Also dumb. Firstly, it does not know how to count. Crimea as part of Russia is longer in time than a united Germany exists. Secondly, Germany, before unification by Bismarck, was not at all one nation. There, according to rumors, the Bavarian dude from Rostock understood with difficulty or even did not understand at all

[ZVS]

What matters to the Germans in Crimea? They should raise the question of Poland transferring the former lands of Germany.

[Fedorovich]

And I can tell Herr Tupland that the Black Sea is historically called the Russian Sea ...

[faterdom]

With such a statement in his article for the German edition of Focus made Andreas Umland.

And to give him the honorary title "Durland". And then he clearly does not pull on Umland.

[Karaul73]

Quote: Svetlana

That private opinion, no more. And not all Germans think so. The same Schroeder, for example, says the opposite.

If you also pay the author of the article as Schroeder, then he will change his mind to a mirror. And the truth is somewhere in between. Let's live in peace!

[camo ridges]

Lord, how many more idiots around the world are hanging around, how many
"wonderful discoveries" are prepared by their spirit, unclouded by reason.
This one, another one - he’ve been to Crimea at least once
through the streets of the peninsula, with at least one resident
word spread? Hardly, otherwise I would not be able to
to write such wildness. As they say, crowed,
and there at least grass does not grow. Apparently, by order of the broad lads
tried ...

[serezhasoldatow]

You read the articles of Westerners and you are convinced that the pan-sauce, which appeared in Ukraine, is an even more dangerous virus than coronavirus.

[NordUral]

Deal with your lands first, and then begin to carry nonsense, if there is still a desire.

[tatarin1972]

Another "masterpiece" of another ignoramus. The question is, who is he? An engaged hack or an uneducated journalist?

[-ш-]

how are you to bavaria?

[vblotov]

In fact, the author is dense, like a century-old oak forest. He does not know the state system of Russia at the beginning of the 20th century and repeats the ravings of the nationalists of Ukraine. Crimea, immediately after joining Russia, was part of the provinces of Novorossia, which was not Ukraine. and the Tauride province bordered on the region of the Don army in the east, the Ekaterinoslav province in the north and the Kherson province in the west. The main population of Novorossia were Russians and Potemkin allowed the Little Russian peasants who fled from serfdom to settle. They were thrust into the bondage by Catherine II, who for some reason decided that it would be better. Were in serfdom among the Polish lords - they will stay with their landowners. The fool in this matter understood how this German. After the revolution and civil war in 1921, the Tauride province was divided into two parts. The north before Perekop became part of the Kherson and Donetsk regions, and the south after Perekop (actually the Crimea peninsula) became part of the formed Crimean Tatar Autonomous Republic within the RSFSR, which lasted until 1942. For two years she was in Germany, where Hitler had his own plans for the settlement of Crimea by the Germans and the creation of a naval base on the Black Sea in Sevastopol, and since 1944, after the eviction of the Crimean Tatars, the Crimean region was formed as part of the RSFSR. The leadership of the USSR had their own plans for the Crimean region, where they planned to resettle all Jews and form the Jewish Autonomous Republic, and even began resettlement. BUT 1952, Stalin died and Nikitka Khrushchev came to power, who on the birthday of his wife, Western Khokhlukh, presented Crimea to Ukraine without asking Crimean residents and even the leadership of the RSFSR under the guise that Crimea has no common borders with Russia. Or maybe it was easier to return Novorossia to the RSFSR and the residents would support and the common border was restored ?. But the Germans in general are not harmful to dream. It’s not harmful to dream.

[5-9]

Umland is a famous pepper ... his "opinion", or rather the propaganda channel, has been known for a long time and therefore is not interesting, he also has nothing to do with the Germans themselves, their opinions and interests ...

[aszzz888]

Andreas Umland spoke for the German edition of Focus.

The usual Western ordering against Russia.

[teron]

The look of a Martian. It seems to refer to history, but what happened and is happening in the Crimea is a complete zero.

[Sovpadenie]

"Military seizure of the peninsula in 2014" It is strange somehow ... And where are the long and prolonged battles? And where is the partisan movement aimed at driving out the invaders?

[1536]

Zadolbali these German neo-Nazis! As stupid as their fathers and grandfathers. Germans, GDR - this is your fate. You are not going anywhere from her. And the sooner you realize that all your Reichs and empires are fiction and ordinary universal evil, the sooner you begin to restore the GDR, the better for you. And stop looking at the East and kiss the berets of American soldiers and presidents. Russia will not give you a third chance, tired of it!

[Disorder]

According to the author, all statements that the Crimea is linked with Russia by historical roots are "just a widespread myth." Crimea was conquered in 1783 by Catherine II, and from 1802 to 1917 Crimea was part of the Taurida province, connecting Crimea with the present southern part of continental Ukraine, but not Russia. From 1954 to 1991, Crimea was part of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, so when the Soviet Union collapsed, it was left in its composition, and then Russian President Boris Yeltsin admitted it.

Well, for the truth, no one would pay him anything. So I had to dodge.
If you raise the maps of the times of the Tauride province, we see that Ukraine did not exist at all.

And from 1917 to 1954. Crimea was not Ukrainian. from and it turns out that he was part of Ukraine for only 60 years, of which 37 years was part of the Ukrainian SSR.

[Reserve buildbat]

Another delusional generator dumped a new batch without knowing what it was writing about.

[Zaurbek]

The native of the territory is a former conqueror!

[Kibl]

Yes, it’s just the Germans that the toad is strangling, they certainly would like a flag with a swastika to develop over the Crimea.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Maybe SCHECIN (Stettin) Let's take it from the logs, where one of the most enlightened rulers of the Russian Empire, Catherine II, was born, who was German, her father served as a regimental commander for the Prussian king, and was also the commandant of the fortress and the governor of a city in Pomerania?

[boris epstein]

“...and from 1802 to 1917, Crimea was part of the Tauride province, connecting Crimea with the current southern part of continental Ukraine, but not Russia.” But Ukraine as a state was not on world maps either before 1802 or during that period was. And the Tauride province was part of the Russian Empire. Ukraine had three attempts to become a state - under Khmelnitsky, under Grushevsky (then Skoropadsky under the Germans and Petliura under the Poles) and under Kravchuk. I didn’t use the first two Ukraines, and I also already failed the third.

[Gennady Fomkin]

At that time there was no Germany as a “state” - Andreas Umland

[_M_]

This not particularly enlightened comrade also does not want to point out that:
a) The Tauride province in these “1802 - 1917” was an administrative-territorial unit of the RUSSIAN Empire.
b) The Tauride province was the legal successor of the Novorossiysk province, which in turn was originally also an administrative-territorial unit of the RUSSIAN Empire.
c) (as a bonus) since he started singing about the indigenous population - the indigenous population of North America are the Indian peoples who inhabited it for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years before the CAPTURE of their lands by Europeans, not the best ones), including the Germans. And not only that, the Indians genotype originate from Siberia. And Altai is considered the birthplace of the first NATIVE Americans.

[Chever]

“Crimea has never been Russian”: Germany is confident that Moscow will return the peninsula

Well, if you dig even further, it was never Ukrainian

[Glory to Berkut]

My family moved to Crimea after the end of the Civil War. My grandfather was born here. He said all his life that Crimea was never Ukrainian. Even after 1954. As he said, in 1954 they tried to change the names of streets, shops and other institutions to rename them in Ukrainian. But at night these signs were torn down and broken. Even after 1991, the Ukrainization of Crimea proceeded with great difficulty. Well, the result was a reaction in 2014. We have 250 thousand Tatars here for a population of 2,5 million. So let him wipe himself with his wet dreams. We're home

[NF68]

The dog breaks, and the caravan moves on. You never know who thinks about this. It would be better if I studied history at school.

[Evil 55]

Crimea was the “slave market” of Russia and Europe for the countries of Asia and the Middle East until the ectomy of this tumor was carried out by Russian troops and the transition to Russian protectorate.. Maybe, instead of stupid heresy, this Um-Land will analyze approximately how many Germans and Poles were there sold by the Turks and Tatars, and how many of them were able to return home..

[Alexfly]

wait and see! There are enough experts in the world to provide opportunistic conclusions...

[Ryaruav]

some Fritz who doesn’t know history will raise waves, but he went where Makar didn’t drive calves

[Denis Grushchenko]

Well, for example, I don’t know much about the history of Germany. However, you are smart enough not to speak out

[Revolver]

Unlike Russia and Crimea, western and eastern Germany were linked historically for centuries; one people lived on their territory, and not different ones.

Until almost the end of the 1871th century, there was no German people, and there was no state either. There were kingdoms, mostly dwarf ones, the only serious ones being Prussia and Bavaria, as well as all sorts of “Great” duchies and other electors, not counting the “free” cities. They often fought among themselves. And the language differed, the Prussian understood the Bavarian approximately as well as the Russian Ukrainian, from the fifth to the tenth. And the culture was different, in Berlin or even Hamburg, if someone appeared in leather shorts with straps, it was immediately clear that they were Bavarian hillbillies. Only in XNUMX did the “Iron Chancellor” Bismarck unite Germany, or rather subjugate Prussia.
Crimea became part of the Russian Empire almost a hundred years earlier, in 1783, and there was no Ukraine at that time as a territorial-administrative unit, much less a subject of international relations.
Some people benefit from reading history books that have not been adjusted to the latest version of political correctness.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Moreover, in 1783 there was no Germany as a state.

[Griol]

Was there any point in publishing the opinion of this “politician”? Which of us is interested in it? I have nothing but the desire to send this “seer” on an erotic journey on foot.

[Essex62]

Wet dreams of Russophobes

[Allex]

I hope the author of the article clarified to the Foreign Ministry where Ukraine is located?

[Kestrel]

Apparently the Germans were drunk on strong beer and drugs, since they are so buggy!

[Pacifist]

This German is the same “expert” as all Svidomo. Let him answer, was there “Ukraine” at that time? And within what boundaries was the so-called Ukraine part of the Russian Empire? And does the so-called Ukraine have anything to do with the Tauride province? And yet, maybe it’s not Ukraine, but Ukraine?

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

The idiocy and ignorance of some Western politicians goes beyond all reasonable limits. Crimea became part of Russia in 1783, and settlement by Russians began almost immediately. Already by the 19th century, Russians made up the overwhelming majority of the peninsula's population. And after the Crimean War, thanks to the defense of Sevastopol, Crimea became a symbol of the courage and heroism of the Russian army. I visited Crimea more than once during the Soviet period, when it was formally part of the Ukrainian SSR. And I never felt any differences from the territory of the RSFSR - no one spoke Ukrainian.

[seacrane]

Can I also say... - North America has never been American! The British and French captured the Indian territory and destroyed the indigenous population...

[Oleg Salov]

You can’t wait, mediocrity, learn history, Crimea was never part of Ukraine, it used Russian territory illegally for more than 60 years.

[Oleg Salov]

Here is a link, munich2011com, how the territory of Ukraine grew, anyone interested can watch and read.

[BOB044]

These are just stupid people; they don’t even know or read the history of the Russian state. If only to avoid looking like a fool, I would read history before writing.

[doubovitski]

It would be better if the Germans were concerned about the return of their territories to Poland. We can provide assistance.

[Kind Dec]

Today East Germany (the territory of the former GDR) is perceived as a native German land, but only 900 years ago (by historical standards, not so much) Slavic tribes lived in these parts.
Now only numerous toponyms, which have survived (in slightly modified form) to this day, remind us of the past Slavic domination.
Even Berlin itself was built on the site of several Slavic villages. It may raise the issue of returning the lands

[LeftPers]

"....Andreas Umland spoke......" even in Germany there are stupid animals.

[DeKo]

And who is this Shayze Arshlech?

[rotkiv04]

Well, it will definitely never be fascist (German), and this half-journalist forgot that Ukraine never existed before the Soviet regime, and I hope it will not exist in the future

[Tolik_74]

Sorry for the rudeness, please return it, by the way, with a soft or hard sign??

[Greenhouse]

Crimea has never been Ukrainian.

[uralant]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Svetlana

He would have at least looked at the results of the population census, for 2014, the peninsula lived
Russian - 65,2%
Ukrainians - 16,0%
Crimean Tatars - 12,6%

That's the census of 96-97. According to it, the population is 2500 thousand, the Tatars accounted for 200 thousand. In Ukropsky, statistics should have pulled the Tatars up to third place, but now, and here... In Crimea, according to their data, you won’t find a Russian during the day, only on ships, only in Sevastopol. In the rest of the part, the Tatar sits on the Tatar and chases the Tatar, and between them dill spins and drinks are served.

[venaly]

Such scribblers can be given the nickname “gray mare.” Because they are talking bullshit.

[geologist]

It seems like the Taurians are the most indigenous of the Indo-Europeans. People lived in caves, just as people still live today, somewhere in the mountains of Iraq and Iran, although their windows are now made of plastic. They spoke Iranian dialect, but this is not certain. They were buried in stone sarcophagi like the ancient Egyptians. Then the world was also full of contacts and the interpenetration of cultures was slow but inevitable. They hated the Greeks, who in their false fairy tales about a happy Greece said, “What are we doing?” And what happened - the Greeks used the children of the Tauri and Scythians in the galleys and not many lived to be 25-30 years old from the monstrous slave labor. People were beaten so that their ribs did not heal. a man was forced to row even with broken ribs. The history of Crimea is filled with wars of conquest, violence and devastation, but nevertheless, in this cauldron, former enemies made peace and lived happily.

[Svyatoslav Grechishnikov]

Why retell an anti-Russian and not very smart article on this site? This is not InoSMI...

[Arabfun]

the author is a provocateur or an enemy, close this site!

[Valery Kuzmin]

Absolute nonsense, not worth attention at all.

[petrol cutter]

It would be strange to discuss my peninsula without me.
So let me put in my two cents.
"After the end of Putin's rule, the peninsula will again return to Ukraine,"
The local population as a whole is very afraid of this. And me personally, in particular.
"Crimean Tatars are anti-Putin and want to reunite with Ukraine"
God forgive the Crimean Tatars - 13% of the population. How they are set up there is the least of everyone's worries.
Although I work with them, and have worked before. They are indifferent. Wherever it swings, we will go.... I personally do not observe any unfriendly position towards Russia.
"The military takeover of the peninsula in 2014, supported by 70% of Russian citizens, led to great economic problems in Russia itself and spoiled foreign relations"
There was no direct military takeover... There was no observation.
The military didn't really interfere in anything. Mostly we just watched. His presence alone does not allow the “orgy” to begin. This is where the term “polite people” comes from.
Yes, they intervened (and in my city) against completely irresponsible comrades (who were not imbued with the idea that UA is not welcome here). But, as if no one was seriously injured during the event.
“Thus, the author concludes, a “realistic” assessment of the likely internal processes in Russia suggests that the seizure of Crimea is a temporary phenomenon.”
Thus, my peninsula categorically does not want to be UA.
And if it is not Russia, then it will be the Independent Republic of Crimea. The status of independence was adopted in 2014.

[bar]

Germany is confident that Moscow will return the peninsula

In Germany, too, there are not quite smart and not quite adequate citizens, that’s all. These can be found in any country. Is this worth discussing?

[Siberian54]

Two masterpieces of logic: Was part of the Taurida province (conclusion - did not belong to Russia - the highest class of sophistry) and further - if the Russian economy collapses (wet dreams again). - the article was written according to the State Department manual

[rruvim]

And Germany has never been German. I'm sure Berlin will return Germany to the Roman Empire. This happened many times.

[babylon]

I don’t understand at all why write about this and discuss any statements there, you never know what anyone says and what they think, before you write something you need to first think with your head and not look for ratings

[Antonio_Mariarti]

I still can’t understand why the Russian Federation took only Crimea in 2014, because it could have taken Donetsk, Kharkov, and Odessa. But she didn’t support it. After all, if they took away this entire territory, it would be a huge plus.

[Prisoner]

"....Andreas Umland made this statement in his article for the German publication Focus..." Since when did this little-known Andreas become Germany?! Gentlemen, authors, the price of a word is not only a penny per syllable, but something more!!! Be careful with headings!

[Etric]

But Pomerania is generally a Slavic land, don’t the Germans want to separate it into a separate state?

[Ros 56]

This German scribbler is just an idiot, he apparently forgot with whom they fought for Crimea in the 40s of the 20th century and how many of his relatives remained there forever, not to mention the Crimean War of the 19th century and how many French, small-shaven and Turks they laid their heads there. Well, if he likes the role of a dog barking at the wind, then that’s his problem, and our caravan continues on its way.

[Li17]

Actually, it’s time for Germany to think about its own country, it is in fact becoming a Turkish-Arab and other similar country. And then I see our foreign partners jumping out of their underpants in our direction, and they themselves are a big mess! While they hang out gay flags and teach us about life, they forget that they will soon be slaughtered by Floyd’s followers!

[Li17]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

I still can’t understand why the Russian Federation took only Crimea in 2014, because it could have taken Donetsk, Kharkov, and Odessa. But she didn’t support it. After all, if they took away this entire territory, it would be a huge plus.

A plus for foreign partners! You have to wait... until the corpse of your enemy floats past you!

[Igor Pa]

Well, a man wrote an article, received a fee, and here you are indignant that he doesn’t know the history. They have been telling you for a long time that history is being rewritten in the West. The Germans, of course, are not as stupid as mattress makers, but only a few may know the history of Russia (the author is not one of them). We should advise him to read the Ukrainian version, well, about the Sumerians and about the Black Sea dug up by diggers. So he will write this!

[Orca]

For the scrotum of this German, and to Crimea - let him look and talk with the Crimeans about what it was like when Ukraine ruled Crimea, and how Russia does not want to invest anything in its development. And then we’ll see if he has the conscience to write in the same spirit. ...Fritz clearly fulfilled someone’s order.

[mordor]

He is as German as I am, a Frenchman from Square.