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Leader can only be changed to a leader

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Military parades took place in almost thirty cities of Russia. No matter how much our lovers ask "historical the truth ”about why we are holding a parade on June 24, the educational level of our youth, no matter how we scolded him, nevertheless logically allowed us to relate two dates: June 24, 2020 and June 24, 1945.


Of course, quarantine also played a role. The people were simply tired of being afraid of the coronavirus, tired of the “farm life”. Russians in this regard are much more “public” than other nations. We always live together. We work together, celebrate joyful or tragic events together, fight together. Yesterday we saw this in parks, on embankments, on city streets.

“Putin has brought the country to a pen and must leave”


I belong to the generation of those who take places in advance, even before the start of the action. Young readers will probably remember their surprise that the best places they aspired to 5 minutes before the start always turn out to be occupied by someone before. Experience is the son of difficult mistakes ... Naturally, in anticipation of a salute, we talked about the upcoming vote. More precisely, the interlocutors said, I just listened and inserted replica questions.

How short human memory is ... “He brought the country to a pen, ruined industry, medicine, schools, and transport. The plants are closed, the coronavirus is again "... I think such conversations are not for you news. Only one thing is striking: I spoke with people of "40 and even 50 plus." Those who need to remember!

No, I understand that human memory is designed so that after some time any event is “varnished” by our brain. To stay mentally healthy, the brain removes from itself all the bad things that happened in the past. The brain tries to remove pain, suffering, shame for their own actions. Rummage in your brain now and remember the 90s. Some snippets of events, some vague silhouettes, some shadows. But in general, "then they lived normally, hard, but normal" ...

Well, I’m materializing today some “forgotten” events from our, mine and yours, life. The one we really lived. The one about which our young children usually say: "Oh well, that can't be." Let me remind you of the country of Chinese bilateral “down jackets” and “Bush's legs”, the main food for the majority.

Remember, comrade officers, a hungry, impoverished, decently drinking Russian army in the 90s? Remember commodity stations where not only lieutenants worked as loaders, but also majors and lieutenant colonels? Remember life after life? When to receive monetary allowance was happiness, not the norm. Doesn’t resemble anything? Look at the APU today. This is us, only in the 90s.

Remember how you looked for those who could at least somehow fight in the first Chechen? Maybe this is only I remember the total drunkenness, drug addiction and poverty in a civil war? Maybe only I remember how the “Afghan brothers in arms»In the Kotlyakovsky cemetery in the fight for big money, which allowed to earn power then?

And the movie, which was probably the most popular then, remember? The "brigade"? Remember the boys who wanted to get into these same "brigades"? Remember the lists on several pages, which listed only the names of the gang brigades? When such brigades totaled hundreds of “active bayonets”, and could mobilize thousands in a short time?

Honestly, I also sometimes say to myself: "Oh well ... Is this really true?" And then I see in the cemetery an “alley of heroes of the 90s”, through which it is impossible not to pass. She is right at the entrance. Marble and granite youth from the 90s. Those who "lived well, but not for long." There is no more or less large city in Russia where there would not be such “malls” ...

Is this exactly Putin brought to this country? Surely he sold the plants for a penny? Did he ruin everything else? Is it because of him that I “fell in love” with chicken legs and, in general, hens for life?

Today, sitting on the couch in front of a huge “plasma” or taxiing out of a yard full of neighbors' cars in his Toyota or BMW, which soon has a warranty that needs to be replaced urgently, you really think about this issue ... Or a neighbor rocker boy with with his growling "iron horse" pushes to such thoughts ...

I want happiness right today or tomorrow in the morning!


We forgot our bestial state at the end of the last century. It’s probably right that they forgot. After all, what are we living for? So that the lives of our children are better than ours. In order for them not to have their “Chinese down-padded coats”, their “Bush legs”, their “brigades”. In order for there to be a state for the people, not a people for the state.

I really want this! Probably we all want this. Right today, at least tomorrow morning. We do not want “later” or “soon”. And I understand those who today dream of changing the steed to a young, promising stallion who will carry us into the bright future with great speed ... Wasn't this what Ukrainians dreamed about a year ago? Sorry for the association.

Notice how the tone of the statements of our liberals has changed? Now they are talking about a change of leader. They do not change horses at the crossing, no one will argue here. But what if this crossing is akin to the Crimean bridge? Endlessly long. At half life, the length of the ferry. The shore is not far there, it seems, but to reach it for a long time. The young horse runs faster.

I don’t think much about horses. Spectator, no more. But even I know that young horses always have a lot of problems. Such a horse accelerates at the start, like a rocket. He needs to beat the competition. You have to show yourself. But soon there will be a calming. The competitors are no longer annoying, he already bypassed them at the start, the tension of the start decreases, and the horse decides that she has nowhere to rush. True, if the rider is experienced, then he will be able to "dissuade" her. But most of these horses are always second.

Another thing is those horses that already know the taste of victory. These are dear horses! World class! I remember the number that once stunned me. 200 million dollars per horse! This is exactly the amount paid for the horse named Frankel. Speed ​​is 70 km per hour. 14 victories in the most top races and ... well-deserved rest. Pension is horse.

Today we have just such a leader. Already accustomed to victories and not allowing thoughts of second place. Scored his "14 victories." Become a world leader. The only drawback is age. Another 10-20 years, and there will be no strength left at all. And, as it seems to me, this is understandable even to the leader himself.

Leader must be changed only to a leader


I wrote many times that Putin is most likely not going to a new term. Even despite his own statement made in a recent film. It won’t do just because it understands that there may not be enough strength. Alas, no one has yet left old age.

Have you ever wondered why accusations of having huge capital abroad, huge palaces, islands and other real estate do not stick to Putin? How many “honest investigations” were about this! How many bloggers and opposition politicians have spoken about these bills and palaces! And nothing. The overwhelming majority of people do not believe in these stories.

Someone doubts that even after leaving power, Putin will not suffer from poverty. He will live out his life with dignity, as an outstanding president, a world-class politician. And to earn decent money for politicians of his caliber is not a problem at all. Any lecture or performance - and he is a millionaire ...

And what remains after a person leaves? After life? Not wealth or palaces remain. Things remain! One poem by Pushkin crosses out all his shortcomings in life. One view of St. Petersburg crosses out all the nasty things, all the folk blood that Peter the Great shed. The victory over fascism, industrialization, the country's withdrawal into world leaders crosses out the Gulag and the repressions of Stalin.

And vice versa, the collapse of the USSR cancels Gorbachev’s whole life. All his achievements and victories. The surrender of the country to the Americans crosses Yeltsin’s past. The very scales on which history puts your actions. And the descendants will decide your fate, find your place in this very story.

A leader must be changed only to a leader. On a leader who would not be afraid to take the helm after a president of such a scale as Putin. Just because any new leader will be deliberately worse. Thicker, thinner, higher, lower, not so persistent or too uncompromising. Alas, this is a fact. Exactly the same reason why we “forgot” the 90s.

The country will soon be able to see a new leader


The fact that people will vote for amendments to the Constitution today is understandable. For or against, no matter. In my opinion, the “for” option will win. Amendments will be accepted. Therefore, write about it is not worth it. But what will happen after a while, what we will see, perhaps soon, is worth talking about.

We, as if on purpose, are silent about one moment that simply cannot be seen. Putin is looking for a successor! Look at the governors of the Russian regions. The very nestlings of Putin’s nest, which gradually replaced the veterans. And who gained tremendous power during the pandemic.

Is that why in different regions the struggle with coronavirus is conducted in different ways. Is it because the president "let go of the reins" (which, in fact, is not characteristic of Putin)? When else can you see the potential of a leader, if not in the extreme conditions of a pandemic? But, in addition to fighting the virus, governors continue their routine work. Revive the economy of the regions, restore cities and villages, create jobs and more.

Now let's look at a future candidate whom Putin would ideally replace. Who does the people in this place want to see? So, the age is 40-50 years old, not a talker-politician, but a practitioner who has experience in government of a region or industry not less than a minister, able to take responsibility for the decisions made and to resist attempts to return the country to the West.

I think it’s clear that the appointment of relatively young governors is the search for a successor. Insurance for the case of a sudden departure of the current management for some reason. Another "cunning plan of Putin." It is in the spirit of the times. The hope of the “right choice of the people” and “cooks” from the Internet is nothing more than stupidity. Again, back to Ukraine. In the first round there really was at least some choice. And in the second?

So, I think, the time is not far off when we will see the very young and promising one who will be offered to us as a candidate for the next president of Russia. The opposition’s hopes for the appearance in their ranks of at least someone who can claim leadership in the country are so illusive that it’s not worth talking about them. We have already seen Sobchak - the presidential candidate ...

The caravan will go further. And the dogs will bark further. In this world, nothing changes ... Only people come and go ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 25 June 2020 15: 52 New
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    "Это точно Путин до этого страну довел? Точно он продал заводы за копейки? Он развалил все остальное? Это из-за него я «полюбил» куриные ножки и вообще куриц на всю жизнь?". Хочу напомнить, кем был Пути в 90-е.А он был не на вторых ролях в "команде Собчака" И отсюда следует, что он приложил руку к беспределу 90-х.Я не буду вспоминать кем он был раньше и где работал. Кому давал присягу и почему нарушил. Тогда многие служивые, да и не только вообще не понимали что происходит.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 June 2020 16: 03 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      Хочу напомнить, кем был Пути в 90-е.А он был не на вторых ролях в "команде Собчака" И отсюда следует, что он приложил руку к беспределу 90-х

      This is a clear fact!
      And note, Colleague, that the author writes
      near the time when we will see that very young and promising, which we will be offered as a candidate for the next president of Russia

      Keyword "предложат" and in his opinion, we ourselves are not able to choose a candidate.
      Once we already appointed an ebn receiver, we got ebnoputinism and it's time to finish with this garbage.
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        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 30 New
          -35
          Taken by pencil laughing
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 25 June 2020 16: 31 New
            -33
            Quote: Tank jacket
            Taken by pencil laughing

            Not no, it’s just under the pencil ... not all the data has been entered yet, they are waiting for the vote ... and there already ... wink
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 32 New
              -26
              "Работайте, Братья"(с) wink
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 25 June 2020 16: 33 New
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                Quote: Tank jacket
                "Работайте, Братья"(с) wink

                Rest assured! Work!
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 27 June 2020 12: 19 New
              +1
              The leader creates the TV.
              I reviewed 1 Batman, it was previously unclear, but now it became clear that the structure of the system was watered with capital. Westerners are not shy about showing the ulcers of capitalism.
              In particular, an oligarch, a money bag, can be made a homeless by the mayor, for this you need to hire a PR team, a television company, buy journalists, buy a TV channel and deal with the homeless hat will become the mayor and president.
        2. Sergey39
          Sergey39 25 June 2020 16: 36 New
          -32
          Quote: Nasr
          The policy of the site is changing ... and all grant-eaters are taken under the pencil ..

          Long overdue!
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 27 June 2020 12: 22 New
            +3
            Grantoedov in VO, no more than 3, there is another problem a lot of Olgins.
            1. Sergey39
              Sergey39 27 June 2020 13: 30 New
              -2
              I have not even heard such a term. But this does not change the essence of the matter. Both of them work for money.
      2. domokl
        25 June 2020 16: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Malyuta
        Ключевое слово "предложат" и по его мнению мы сами не способны выбрать кандидата.

        Be so kind as to tell the technology of choosing a worthy people. Only not at the level of the five-story building entrance, but at least at the regional level. Only without the people being offered candidates please. It’s just interesting to know such an outstanding invention of human genius.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 June 2020 16: 45 New
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          Quote: domokl
          Be so kind as to tell the technology of choosing a worthy people.

          Quote: domokl
          It’s just interesting to know such an outstanding invention of human genius

          Colleague, we have the richest experience in building the Soviet state from scratch, after 30 years we know all the details and shortcomings of that power, develop strengths, eliminate shortcomings, or minimize voila. Why do we need to reinvent the wheel again? hi
          1. perm23
            perm23 25 June 2020 17: 55 New
            +7
            Sorry, we did not build the Soviet state from scratch. but on what imperial Russia left us.
            1. U-58
              U-58 25 June 2020 18: 45 New
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              Well, please, do not confuse economic construction and state building.
              А чтобы не путать, узнайте, что же такое "государство".
              Then you may realize that the old state was destroyed to the ground, and then a new state of workers and peasants was built, fundamentally different from the previous
              1. perm23
                perm23 25 June 2020 18: 55 New
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                YOU know, I don’t confuse and the state is the economy and the social system .. ..
                1. U-58
                  U-58 25 June 2020 19: 20 New
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                  Кол, в смысле, оценка " единица", ибо "двойка" предполагает наличие неких знаний... Дискуссию с Вами прекращаю. Пардон за отнятое у Вас время..
              2. a.hamster55
                a.hamster55 25 June 2020 19: 16 New
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                Let’s do it one more time ... and we’ll call to control Vanka Red, Ho-la and Zhi-a.
              3. AnderS
                AnderS 25 June 2020 19: 39 New
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                Then you may realize that the old state was destroyed to the ground,

                The fact of the matter is that there was already almost nothing to destroy there ... By 1917, the Russian Empire had rotted to the limit and the First World War and then the February Revolution clearly showed this.
                Well, the fact that the Soviet state was built from scratch, here I agree with you.
              4. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 June 2020 07: 54 New
                +5
                Quote: U-58
                that the old state was completely destroyed

                it remains in the same place, speaks the same language, the Kremlin rules everything, prisons .... maybe not the state, but its social structure was not destroyed but transformed?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 26 June 2020 21: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  and his social structure was not destroyed but transformed?

                  I would add that it was transformed based on the implemented Ideology, scientific, progressive for that time
            2. cniza
              cniza 25 June 2020 21: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: perm23
              Sorry, we did not build the Soviet state from scratch. but on what imperial Russia left us.


              Only not Russia, but Russia ...
          2. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 02 New
            -10
            Read the story, the builder of communism ...
          3. Parabelum
            Parabelum 26 June 2020 14: 02 New
            +2
            So how do you choose a decent one? You have not answered.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 27 June 2020 12: 40 New
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              . So how do you choose a decent one?

              You and us will not be asked. Worthy of this is an outdated concept of feudalism, functionaries are needed in the bureaucratic apparatus.
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 25 June 2020 17: 38 New
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          Quote: domokl
          Be so kind as to tell the technology of choosing a worthy people. Only not at the level of the five-story building entrance, but at least at the regional level. Only without the people being offered candidates please. It’s just interesting to know such an outstanding invention of human genius.

          Вы правы. Подлинный выбор (предмета, человека, изделия и т.д.) возможен лишь только когда ты знаешь подлинные свойства, характеристики. Всё остальное это маркетинг, тебе расхваливают (предмет, человека, изделие) скрывая его истинные свойства и возможности и чем дороже и лучше сделана реклама, тем больше успехов у рекламируемого товара. Это же и относится к "демократическим" выборам. То есть побеждает на выборах, как правило, человек у кого больше денег на предвыборную агитацию, увы. Платон в древности ещё говорил, что выборы возможны в населённом пункте до 5 тысяч человек, когда все жители знают кандидата почти лично - Вася пьёт , а Ваня работящий. Это прекрасно знают наглосаксы потому и заставляют другие страны идти по "демократическому" пути.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 June 2020 08: 24 New
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            Quote: neri73-r
            hiding its true properties and capabilities

            Do you know that Putin plays the piano?
            1. AUL
              AUL 26 June 2020 11: 25 New
              +8
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Do you know that Putin plays the piano?

              Accompanied by a cello ... Such a glorious duet! laughing
            2. Freeman
              Freeman 26 June 2020 13: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Quote: neri73-r
              hiding its true properties and capabilities

              Do you know that Putin plays the piano?


              He also sings.

        3. perm23
          perm23 25 June 2020 17: 56 New
          +5
          Yes, even at the level of multi-storey buildings, we can’t always choose worthy management companies .. choose worthy local deputies.
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 01 New
            0
            Quote: perm23
            Yes, even at the level of multi-storey buildings, we can’t always choose worthy management companies .. choose worthy local deputies.


            This has always been a problem, as if we don’t even know the neighbors ...
        4. Far B
          Far B 25 June 2020 21: 14 New
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          Less to you, author. Even a minuscule. Putin is not a leader. Poser, show off, magician, but not a leader. Type Benito Mussolini: a lot of chatter and window dressing, and real achievements at least, instead of them most often a loud zilch. A true leader goes forward and leads the rest into the bright tomorrow. Is Putin leading us into the bright tomorrow? Don’t tell my slippers! For twenty years he has been broadcasting that there is no time for buildup - and continues to sway. Calls for a jerk - and still can not tear. Leader, yeah
          1. alecsis69
            alecsis69 26 June 2020 19: 33 New
            -9
            Please list your achievements over the past 28 years.
        5. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 22: 01 New
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          but at least at the regional level.

          Heh, in about 89th, future deputies went to apartments, explained what they want, and campaigned to vote.
        6. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 25 June 2020 22: 07 New
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          Александр! Это может показаться обидным для людей, что народ сам способен выбрать лидера, НО ПРИ ДЕМОКРАТИИ ЭТО НЕ ТАК. Так что Вы правы. Не устану повторять меткий афоризм Михеева. "Демократия - это система выборов более ловких м прикольных, но не лучших". При современном развитии СМИ это закон. Примеры. Выбор Зеленского на Украине, выбор Трампа в США... В нашей стране по этой логике в РФ выберут Галкина - он и ловкий (так жениться!) и сам по себе прикольный. Но есть условие. Он должен пройти кастинг. Кто проводит кастинг? - тот кто за "девушку" готов заплатить. Почему? Потому что для успеха необходимо написать "партитуру" выборов. А это очень дорогие специалисты. Необходимо нанять "оркестр". А там тоже одни затраты. Я уверен, что перекупить Соловьёва народ не сможет - даже если по тысяче сложатся - тут совсем другие деньги - он и при существующей власти получает много - не то слово. Возникает вопрос - кто готов потратиться, кому это надо? Нашим олигархам - сомневаюсь-им и при существующей власти неплохо. История нам подсказывает кому это выгодно - и кто может и любит ставить своих. Доводы о том, что при Октябрьской революции к власти пришёл народ и поставил во власть самородков из народа не состоятельны. Потому что в октябре к власти пришёл не народ. а группа товарищей. Просто массовка была большая, потому что дешёвая, такой был тогда жанр в отсутствие СМИ. Какие бедствия и жертвы для народа, если не считать народом кучку спекулянтов, нажившихся на народном горе, произошли потом, думаю никому объяснять не надо.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 25 June 2020 22: 44 New
            +1
            Александр! Это может показаться обидным для людей, что народ сам способен выбрать лидера, НО ПРИ ДЕМОКРАТИИ ЭТО НЕ ТАК. Так что Вы правы. Не устану повторять меткий афоризм Михеева. "Демократия - это система выборов более ловких м прикольных, но не лучших"

            And what options?
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 26 June 2020 05: 37 New
              +2
              Yuri. I do not expect a good outcome in the current situation! If you dream up, you can come up with the kind of monarchy in which the heir is placed in a certain incubator and the best teachers of our time are engaged in his education. But this is not real.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 29 June 2020 13: 27 New
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                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                If you dream up, you can come up with the kind of monarchy in which the heir is placed in a certain incubator and the best teachers of our time are engaged in his education.

                scary fantasy ... tell me, why not the most progressive system of slave owners? could drip deeper in fantasies wink
                а кроме варианта "другого хозяина" есть варианты?
          2. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 26 June 2020 09: 05 New
            +5
            There is an even more telling example - France. Sarkozy, Holland, Macron.
            Не устану повторять меткий афоризм Михеева. "Демократия - это система выборов более ловких м прикольных, но не лучших"
            Я бы этот процесс сравнил с американским шоу "Реслинг" -которое одно время у нас показывали. Очень популярное шоу. Вот только есть там одна особенность. Все бои - постановка. И судя по комментариям в интернете у нас в стране есть большой запрос на проведение такого вот шоу в рамках политической жизни. Чтоб было интересьненько, ярко, скандально, с интригой. И не важно что люди реально рулящие процессом не меняются.
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 26 June 2020 10: 13 New
              +1
              Андрей, привет! Ну да если отбросить всю непрофессиональную лирику у многих претензия к власти сводится к фразе "А чего это всё Путин, да Путин". Надоела народу эта его борьба с нанайскими мальчиками. Народ устал в самоизоляции. Хочется чего-то прикольного. Но есть шанс. Американские партнёры хвастались, что Украина стоила им 4 млрд. долларов, дешёвая девушка. РФ будет стоить гораздо больше, но думаю вполне по деньгам, благо приз-то заманчивый.
              1. Heathen
                Heathen 26 June 2020 10: 55 New
                +2
                It is unlikely that someone will lead me to these already unspecified candy wrappers. The hegemon is now not the same, they themselves would not fall apart ...
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 29 June 2020 13: 33 New
                0
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                Tired of the people this struggle with the Nanai boys. People are tired of self-isolation. I want something cool.

                Ouch! belay это что за народ? ваша тусовка? и много там этого "народу"? или your so few people that 2% do not gain in the election? or 10%?
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                But there is a chance. American partners boasted that Ukraine cost them $ 4 billion, a cheap girl. RF will cost much more, but I think it’s for the money, the benefit is a tempting prize.

                hmm .. so besides the monarchy your alternative is to sell? prostitution it went wink
          3. nickname7
            nickname7 27 June 2020 12: 53 New
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            . Because in October, not the people came to power. but a group of comrades. It’s just that the crowd was big because it’s cheap

            You write nonsense, it was the people who came in October, the people elected among themselves the delegates from whom they formed the councils. The Soviets of Workers and Peasants Soldiers' Committees became a system of self-organization of the people,
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 27 June 2020 13: 39 New
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              Tips - this is an extras necessary for immersion in the cauldron of the revolution like yeast in the dough, and no more, if only to boil. By the way, in 1917, the majority of the Soviets belonged to the Mensheviks - reformists, but still boiled over. . The tips were different. The Council of Workers' Deputies, before nationalization, resolved the problems of the class struggle in a particular enterprise. The councils of peasant deputies resolved land redistribution issues. The issues of desertion from the army were decided by the councils of soldiers' deputies. In fact, the October Revolution in Petrograd was carried out by the forces of a naval crew and a reserve regiment with the neutrality of the rest. The revolution was not decided by the soviets, but by the WRC in secret from the Congress of Soviets. It was only after the coup that Lenin came to the Congress and declared that the revolution had taken place, and the dictatorship of the proletariat arrived. So it was. War communism set in, in which the activity of the soviets was reduced to zero. And further to the very end (later the Plenum of the Party decided by the Council of People's Commissars - the Supreme Council stamped). The role of grass-roots councils was to lobby for the interests (often justified) of individual citizens in terms of accelerated housing, and so on the little things in terms of improvement - the budgets there were meager. Then no. In general, the idea of ​​parliamentarism in one form or another is nothing more than a chimera. In the USA, for example, the establishment rules - which includes business magnates and a bunch of intellectuals. They considered that the Russian Federation was behaving incorrectly and let the congress into Russia as a pack of rabid dogs. Try now someone there to praise Putin, (and in some ways there is something even in the interests of America) - he will remain without work.
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 25 June 2020 17: 55 New
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        The author is not the messiah. And not a prophet.
        The question is different.
        In Russia there is no sane political elevator, no strong opposition parties, in fact there are no alternative politicians by weight, popular opinion is not taken into account, and this will inevitably lead the country to collapse. Sure, Putin has done a lot for Russia, but if he leaves behind a clean political clearing with one party, this will be a slow-moving world.
        I could still understand the Communist Party of the Soviet Union behind it was an idea. Edra has no idea.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 22: 02 New
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          Quote: Campanella
          parties, in fact there are no politicians alternative in weight, the popular opinion is not taken into account,

          Do the people have an opinion? Or do you think that your opinion is the opinion of the people? If in Russia they are only slightly interested in politics, say, 5 million people, then there will be as many opinions. And they will never find a common language. Until someone offers them an option that one way or another will suit the majority. Again, not all, only the majority.
          That’s what the opinion of the people is.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 25 June 2020 22: 19 New
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            All problems are solved by dialogue with society as open as possible. In order for the whole nation to have a more objective opinion, but I know that it exists, but there is not always a correct understanding of the situation, you need to educate it, fill it with knowledge and be with the people as I have said sincerely.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 22: 33 New
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              Quote: Campanella

              All problems are solved by dialogue with society as open as possible.

              How to practically carry out this dialogue?
              After all, in fact, he goes constantly. You just don’t notice it.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 25 June 2020 23: 41 New
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                Yes, there is no dialogue, do you really think that the straight lines and fake elections of the same edrosov, which people don’t see this dialogue live?
                Take the same propagandists of Venediktov and his antipode Solovyov, are they talking to the people?
                Yes, they behave worse than any dictator, both are intolerant of dissent and mutually hate each other.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 26 June 2020 07: 53 New
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                  Quote: Campanella

                  Take the same propagandists of Venediktov and his antipode Solovyov, are they talking to the people?

                  Yes to me on both ....
                  Although, I pay tribute to the erudition and memory of V. Soloviev.
                  But after all, stupid people gather at Solovyov. A lot can be learned from them, a lot can be understood. I do not urge you to accept everything that is said there as truth, but this is a great occasion for reflection on the basis of your life experience. I look at Solovyov on YouTube, those characters whose opinions are not interesting to me, I'm just scrolling.
                  Но Вы, сделав предложение "о диалоге власти с народом", так и не ответили на вопрос - как практически это сделать?
                  Power speaks to us like that. Do we hear her? Not. And if we hear, then we do not believe. And what to do?
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 26 June 2020 10: 50 New
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                    In practice, it is very simple to make it enough to fulfill the Constitution in the part where the people are defined as the bearer of power.
                    And more importantly, what is missing from it and what needs to be brought into it is the responsibility for misleading the people and manipulation
                    theirs.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 28 June 2020 18: 18 New
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                      Quote: Campanella
                      where the people are defined as the bearer of power.

                      Well, yes, it is written on paper. And in reality? Who has power? The one to whom they submit voluntarily or under duress. Who is subordinate to the people? Yes, no one.
                      А чтобы сделать народ носителем власти необходима еще одна статья в Конституцию. - " Ответственность власти перед народом" На основании этой статьи на каждых очередных выборах президента, депутатов всех уровней, избиратель дает оценку отслужившей свой срок власти.
                      If the majority of voters gives a negative assessment of the outgoing government, the life of the people has not improved, a criminal case is being instituted against them, the president, deputies. And if they are found guilty, then you are welcome to logging.
                      In this way, the people will show their power in practice. No other way.
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 28 June 2020 19: 51 New
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                        I agree, responsibility is needed.
                        Something can be taken in the west.
                        When everyone from the president to the last deputy must go with his own specific program.
                        This will clearly assess the activities of each chosen one and the effectiveness of his work.
              2. Roman123567
                Roman123567 26 June 2020 10: 22 New
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                After all, in fact, he goes constantly. You just don’t notice it.

                In fact, the authorities simply openly spit in the face of their people ..
                At the same time, they still know the opinion of the people very well .. or is there any doubt that they are aware of the mood of the people ?? It's just that they are doing far from what the people would like to ..
                Pension reform, amendments - this is what is right on the surface ..
            2. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 26 June 2020 05: 57 New
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              Campanella. Открытое общество это как проводник, обладающий сверхпроводимостью. Одним из пороков такой системы является возбуждение истерики через индукцию. В открытом обществе она распространяется с бешеной скоростью . Теперешние события в США или давнишнее поклонение вполне себе уравновешенного немецкого народа перед Гитлером - тому доказательство. Инициатору истерики нужно только погрузить общество в благоприятную для истерики среду. "нужно просвещать его (народ, МК) , наполнять знаниями и быть с народом как я сказал максимально искренним" написали Вы . Кто это будет делать?, власть имущим выгодно наполнять знаниями и просвещать в рамках нужного для правящего класса образа мыслей. Отдельные же "гиганты мысли" из интеллигенции не в счёт. Если обратиться к истории, кто-то из народа знал о Чернышевском?. Знала о нём только узкая группа товарищей, но и там - знание исказилось и вылилось в террор народовольцев.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 26 June 2020 10: 54 New
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                Therefore, I wrote not as open as possible, but as open as possible.
            3. nickname7
              nickname7 27 June 2020 13: 02 New
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              . problems are solved by dialogue with society as open as possible

              This is your stupidity.
              In this way, problems can be solved at the entrance level, neighborhood, strategic issues, as well as the interests of the ruling ones, go down to execution without asking anyone's opinion, they didn’t ask you out of pensions, you better discuss Efremov.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 29 June 2020 00: 36 New
                +1
                This is not about the vicious practice of bureaucracy, but about the optimization of public administration.
                If you focus on existing management practices, you can safely forget about any hopes for improving human society.
                Stupidity is your cynicism, not everyone in this life wants to be Potanin or Prokhorov.
                Many just want to remain human, and not turn into cattle.
          2. Roman123567
            Roman123567 26 June 2020 10: 19 New
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            5 million people, there will be as many opinions

            Come on..))
            Opinions are essentially only two .. Leave Putin to plunder further, or still change it ..
            These opinions are both discussed here and in real life ..
            And everything else - to fight or not to fight in Syria, to climb or not to climb to Ukraine, etc. - it all depends on purely the first option ..
        2. AAK
          AAK 25 June 2020 22: 40 New
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          Colleague, let me complement you a little. I would say that in Russia there are no opposition parties, but alternative competitive parties and there are no parties that truly reflect (defend) the interests of all groups of society (to name the United Russia, the Right Russians, the Liberal Democratic Party and even the Communist Party of the People’s Party by no means). As for the absence of both a political and a social elevator, as well as the invisibility of any noticeable serious politicians who are not built into the current system, I fully agree
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 25 June 2020 22: 50 New
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            Есть возрождённая партия "Родина", но в Госдуме один кандидат - Журавлёв, и то прошёл, как одномандатник.
          2. Campanella
            Campanella 25 June 2020 23: 49 New
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            The trouble is that Putin’s policy is to weaken alternative parties to a united Russia, and not to increase the political and civil responsibility of United Russia. That is, the movement follows an easy path that does not require edros any creativity and social responsibility.
            There was a political bureau in the CPSU, i.e. collective decision-making, and here one person decides what to do, and this naturally worsens the quality of political decisions.
          3. nickname7
            nickname7 27 June 2020 13: 20 New
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            I remind you that the concept of the president was invented in the states, you cannot be a true, patented president more than 2 times. But why should we keep up with the states? We need our own system of power.
            The presidency in the Russian Federation itself is outdated and does not correspond, it can be abolished, instead, the chancellor, or vice-king, or tsar can be introduced.
            (I give the idea to Tereshkova)
        3. Heathen
          Heathen 26 June 2020 11: 02 New
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          What makes you think that there is no political elevator?
          And the opposition shoots itself in the foot constantly. Who is their doctor? Is something Putin should constantly wipe their snot? They want not to build Russia, but to lie down under the white gentlemen from behind a hillock - their own business.
        4. alecsis69
          alecsis69 26 June 2020 19: 42 New
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          Putin has long distanced himself from Edra. With amendments, he is trying to solve, among other things, the continuity of the course towards a left-democratic turn.
          As for the fact that the government has been in power for 20 years, remember at least our history. Ivan Kalita began to covertly collect Russian lands around Moscow, but only his grandson Dmitry Donskoy went to Kulikovo Field, and another hundred years passed before standing on the Ugra under Ivan III. Now life goes faster, but 20 years is still nothing. Although of course I want everything now ..
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 26 June 2020 19: 53 New
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            Suppose he distanced himself ... but on whom is he leaning? Who drags his initiatives in a thought?
            1. alecsis69
              alecsis69 27 June 2020 00: 34 New
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              Well, firstly, as for Edra. We all understand that this is not a party, but a union of officials.
              Secondly, they drag, most of his initiatives, as befits those who are most worried about their place, he is still power, the official can fly off. One truthless rider here really decided to raise a riot, filed a lawsuit that he was unfairly removed, but died of a caronovirus. But when Putin’s initiatives hurt deputies for a sore spot, that is, for a wallet, they unanimously vote against. As an example - a ban for deputies to have real estate abroad. A ride.
              До недавнего времени Путин балансировал между "силовым" блоком и "либеральным", пока от последних хоть какая то польза была в виде иностранных инвестиций. Вы понимаете, что политик опирающийся только на одну силу превращается в марионетку этой силы. Теперь, уже стало очевидно, что от "либералов" инвестиций как с козла молока и их надо срочно зачищать. В этой ситуации Путин и пытается опереться непосредственно на народ, для того и голосование по поправкам, а народ начал в позу вставать, да чё так поздно, да чё все сразу, а может потом, а может ещё что выторгуем если сейчас прокатим. Не будет потом. Сейчас мировая ситуация сложилась так, что открылось окно возможностей, второй раз может и не открыться. Вспомните ленинское: "вчера было рано, завтра будет поздно".
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 27 June 2020 06: 01 New
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                Yes, that’s the logic.
                But what about mediocre economic policies?
                Or do we recognize that Putin’s political weight is not so great, or are we talking about not understanding how to solve these problems?
                1. alecsis69
                  alecsis69 27 June 2020 14: 30 New
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                  Бездарная экономическая политика не бездарная, а направленная на удовлетворение потребностей транснациональных банков, за что нам от щедрот тоже перепадал кусочек, это работало до 2008 года, когда начался глобальный кризис который пытались залить деньгами доограбив всю периферию, в том числе и нас. Эта политика была начата ещё при Ельцыне, и когда ставили Путина, то полномочий её менять, ему никто не давал, или Вы и правда думаете, что он абсолютно полновластный властелин. Поставленный нам американскими "друзьями" экономический блок правительства Путину фактически демонстративно не подчиняется, что нам было чётко показано во время "каронокризиса" в процессе транслируемых на всю страну совещаний президента. Людей там он менять может, но на аналогичных, на пимер Силуанова на Орешкина или наоборот, а вот например на Глазьева уже нельзя. Сейчас появился шанс их снести всех целиком, благодаря тому, что Трамп со своими "либералами" сцепились рогами намертво, причём похоже Трамп всё таки побеждает. Он нам не друг, просто у нас враги общие. После сноса всего экономического блока, можно менять и внутреннюю политику. При них - невозможно.
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 27 June 2020 17: 06 New
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                    Did Yeltsin pass the baton?
                    Everything can be, but there is not a single ruler who was not willing to become independent.
                    1. alecsis69
                      alecsis69 27 June 2020 19: 34 New
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                      But why? For example, Zelensky, for example, won the election and what, having rolled up his sleeves, rushed to work? No, I’ve gone abroad to rest, such as you decide here, and when you return I’ll tell you what to do.
              2. nickname7
                nickname7 27 June 2020 13: 36 New
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                . a sore spot, that is, for a wallet, they together vote against. As an example - a ban for deputies to have real estate abroad. A ride

                Это игра в "доброго и злого полицейского". Гарант озвучил идеи циркулирующее в обществе, таким образом, чтоб их не бай бог не принять и заодно рейтинг повысить, типо забота о народе. Если же делать для результата, то нужно не запрещать владение зарубежной собственностью, а ввести налоги на эту собственность, к оплате в
                RF as in the world and do. Buy Westminster Abbey to your health, but please pay tax in the Russian Federation.
                For this, you can choose a monument.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 27 June 2020 17: 10 New
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                  The monument is not a monument, but the Russian elite does not see itself in Russia. This is outrageous and should change. Or are you our businessman and work for the country or went out of Russia!
                  1. alecsis69
                    alecsis69 27 June 2020 19: 37 New
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                    It is impossible not to agree with this. By the way, Putin has nowhere to run, Munich, Crimea, Syria, his fear of our new weapons will not be forgiven him, and he knows this very well, so there is only one way for him, this is together with a strong and independent Russia.
        5. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 29 June 2020 13: 37 New
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          Quote: Campanella
          There is no sane political elevator in Russia

          программа "Лидеры России" не? там не дети депутатов. или вам ваша секта запрещает трогать все что от Путина? laughing
      4. Vicontas
        Vicontas 25 June 2020 20: 01 New
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        Нонешняя власть старательно выжигает всю оппозиционную поляну и стремится убрать любого,кто кажется ей опасным и способным ее пошатнуть! Вспомним генерала Рохлина,который был довольно популярен - и его убили накануне его доклада в Думе про "достижения" властной вертикали! Депутат Илюхин тоже подготовил доклад про эти самые достижения - и здоровый мужик,никогда не жаловавшийся на болячки умирает от инфаркта накануне своего доклада! Безобидный директор подмосковного совхоза Грудинин,сумевший построить крепкое хозяйство в котором люди могли жить по человечески,осмелился выставить свою кандидатуру в президенты! То что победить ему не дадут было и ежику понятно! Но что началось после выборов! Хозяйство стали планомерно уничтожать с помощью губернатора Подмосковья Воробьева,который привлек бизнес-киллера,спецализирующегося на рейдерских захватах!А когда КПРФ захотела отдать Грудинину мандат выбывшего из Думы депутата по высшему указанию вмешался ЦИК и запретил! Потому что получая думскую трибуну Грудинин может стать более популярен и опасен для власти! Сейчас уже доходит до смешного! Задрипанный шаман Габышев захотел прийти в Москву и глянуть на Путина своим косым взглядом! Его тут же завинтили в дурку и теперь старательно делают из него овощ! А насчет лидера - навскидку могу назвать Левченко,экс-губернатора Иркутской области,которого снял Путин в угоду лесной мафии,вырубающей леса и которую Левченко сильно поприжал. Саму область Левченко поднял и сделал из реципиента (просителя) донором.Сам Путин в марте промямлил,что сняв Левченко перегнули палку,а у его преемника-единороса Кобзева все показатели рухнули! Но Левченко из КПРФ,а Кобзев - свой!Пусть и туповат! Народишко все стерпит!
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 25 June 2020 22: 51 New
          +6
          Absolutely agree!!!
        2. Heathen
          Heathen 26 June 2020 11: 14 New
          -11
          Особенно смешно про "крепкого хозяйственника" Грудинина получилось. Капиталист-коммунист со счетами в зарубежных банках, рубящий деньги на сдаче земли в аренду, а отнюдь не на клубнике, как сам пытался рассказывать. Да и с клубникой этой не всё чисто, как я понял... И этого мутного дельца в президенты???))
          1. Vicontas
            Vicontas 26 June 2020 20: 04 New
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            На тему счетов - если бы у Грудинина РЕАЛЬНО были бы счета - его бы просто не допустили к выборам - такой шикарный повод снять! Счета "появились" только со слов заместителя Памфиловой Бушуева,когда по результатам опросов Грудинин стал сильно беспокоить администрацию президента в лице киндер-сюрприза Кириенко. Но заострим вопрос - а что плохого в счетах?Там что ворованные деньги? Между прочим,когда сенатора Керимова из Совета Федерации гостеприимные французы устроили на уютную тюремную шконку,за то что тот внаглую таскал через границу миллионы зелени и спекулировал элитной недвижимостью,никого из российской вертикали не смутила причина ареста и наличие зарубежных счетов - вся "королевская рать" в лице сливок российской элиты кинулась защищать "соратника по труду".И до сих пор Керимов греет своим задом кресло в Совете Федерации России! Типа,достойный человек! И на президентское кресло не покушается! Так что может воровать и дальше! И счета за бугром его не скомпрометируют! А счета Грудинина - это просто отмазка для дурачков! Некоторые,как смотрю покупаются!
            1. Heathen
              Heathen 26 June 2020 22: 03 New
              -5
              Seriously? The facts on Grudinin's foreign accounts were established in court, they did not even have to look for a long time: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2439356.html
              What is wrong with the presidential candidate’s foreign accounts? Turn on the fool? Everything is bad)) if you don’t understand why, then what's the point of talking with you about politics?
              And now we are not talking about someone else, but about the mustached Communist-capitalist.
              Some slogans and manuals are used to puke, as I look))
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 27 June 2020 09: 38 New
                +2
                Do not drive the blizzard, corporal!
                1. Heathen
                  Heathen 2 July 2020 22: 22 New
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                  Рядовой вообще-то. А по местным "званиям" - сержант. В погонах разучлись разбираться, тащ "подполковник"? ))
                  Where did you see the snowstorm in my message do not enlighten? Well, I kind of did not report on weather reports ...)))))
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 3 July 2020 00: 03 New
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                    Not just a sergeant, but already a senior, but acting as a corporal.
                    Put everything in a heap.
                    Can you answer a simple question? Do we have equality before the law? Do we have a law for everyone? You need to start criticizing those who send such power, and then blacken candidates from the Communist Party.
                    Tell our erudite why you can’t buy Strawberry strawberries this year in Moscow?
                    You’re sick of the regime’s defenders!
                    1. Heathen
                      Heathen 3 July 2020 19: 05 New
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                      Hmmm ... did you even serve? Looks like no. Senior sergeant - one broad line across the epaulette, actually)) Well, if you didn’t serve, then how do you, my dear, know how sergeants and corporals act and how they don’t work? The question is rhetorical, do not bother to answer.
                      Equality before the law is spelled out in the law itself. We have no untouchables. This is evidenced by the presence of high-ranking officials sitting under various articles, including governors and ministers. I am already silent about those who have been dismissed, these more. So equal. Planting and will plant. This is on the one hand. And now about the other. Where is such a fabulous country where absolutely all criminals do not escape punishment? Be realistic - there is no such country. And the majority of impunity is ALWAYS in power. This is a problem of any state.
                      Criticizing, of course, is easy. What is mainly left-wingers and do. Where is the alternative pension reform project? There is none ... instead of working, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation preferred to gather protest rallies, to engage in populism ...
                      There is no longer the Communist Party that was under the USSR, the Communists degenerated. Now they do not shun all sorts of bourgeois in their ranks, accept capitalists and bankers)) with the liberals have to talk and have connections, but to blow the pipe together.
                      And about the Strawberry Strawberry, I kind of threw a link ... This is 80-90% Turkish strawberry))) and does not meet sanitary standards. Even Auchan refused it at the time)) not surprisingly even)
                      In general, feel sick to your health and further) only, please, not in public places. And then spoil all the aesthetics))
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 4 July 2020 20: 54 New
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                        You have three merging into one.
                        So either a corporal or a senior sergeant.
                        Я бы на вашем месте более уважительно относился к оппонентам. Ваше пренебрежительное "леваки" мне не очень нравится,но это личное.
                        You seem to be new to the work of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the Duma, and here you are discussing indiscriminately.
                        They offer very necessary and sensible things, but your edrosnya, apparently from the command from above, blocks most of their offers.
                        I don’t know about the link. I bought Strawberry's Strawberry and can’t compare it with Turkish. And then you don’t know the simple thing, the strawberry season is very short, you can just track it. So don’t have to drive the blizzard.
                        Personally, I was with the child in the Stalinist park, and I and the child liked it there. But what did his critics for children do for you, I don’t know. The fact that people with a pension were thrown is just a masterpiece of political and state thought.
                        So the presence of you, supporting bastards and embezzlers!
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 27 June 2020 14: 09 New
            +4
            A communist capitalist with accounts in foreign banks, chopping up money for leasing land,

            A person who does not have a million in Kapstran is 0 for example, here you are 0 nobody will follow you.
            Under capitalism, it is good to cut money, if there were more entrepreneurs and the country would be richer. The same trump businessman. Grudinin did not participate in privatization, which means that it is ten times cleaner than any privatizer.
            The difference between the two capitalists Potanin and Grudintny is that the former is taking out resources from the zone of contamination, and the latter is thinking about the country and not about feeding, in this capacity Grudinin is positive.
            1. Heathen
              Heathen 2 July 2020 23: 00 New
              0
              for example, here you are 0 nobody will follow you.
              And I don’t try to lead anyone along. Why do I need it? I do my favorite thing, and here in breaks with a cup of coffee I go to laugh at some))
              Under capitalism, it is good to cut money, if there were more entrepreneurs and the country would be richer.
              Lies)) The country will not be richer. The capitalist will be richer. A vivid example is the United States, which has a national debt of more than 26 trillion dollars (more than 110% of GDP). http://webdiscover.ru/v/22301
              Grudinin did not participate in privatization, which means that it is ten times cleaner than any privatizer.
              Well yes, yes ... Raider capture is much cleaner
              https://life.ru/p/1074539
              https://cont.ws/@alenabajowa12/813242
              I wonder how he has not yet been imprisoned ...
              ... and the latter thinks about the country, and not about feeding, in this capacity Grudinin is positive.
              Well, of course))
              "In the morning I smear a sandwich -
              Immediately thought: what about the people?
              And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
              And compote does not pour into your mouth!
              I will stand at the window at night.
              And stand all night without sleep
              All worried about Rasee,
              Как там, бедная, она?" (с)
      5. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 21: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Malyuta

        Ключевое слово "предложат" и по его мнению мы сами не способны выбрать кандидата.

        Why not capable? Very capable. Each locality will choose its own candidate. AND? How will we decide whose is better? With what fright will I vote not for my Krasnoyarsk, but for your Petya from Ensk? And you, in turn, will also vote for Petya from your Ensk, and not for Vasya from Zarechensk.
        What is your suggestion?
      6. Shuttle
        Shuttle 26 June 2020 02: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta

        Keyword "предложат" and in his opinion, we ourselves are unable to choose a candidate ...

        A candidate is just able to choose. But the president is not very. And even more so make him a leader.
        In general, bourgeois elections are such a periodical performance in which workers pay to attend the appointment of a new (or old, this is not the point) representative of the ruling class.
      7. Hagen
        Hagen 26 June 2020 09: 13 New
        -4
        Quote: Malyuta
        Ключевое слово "предложат" и по его мнению мы сами не способны выбрать кандидата.

        And you, as if, are capable?
        Quote: Malyuta
        and with this garbage it's time to finish.

        А чего же вы тогда сидите? Пробуйте... Да нет... Будете сидеть ровно и принимать, что предложат. На большее, чем на комментарии вы, увы, вряд ли сподвигнетесь. Весь ваш пар уйдет в свисток(интернет), и то пока не введут регистрацию в сервисах по паспорту, чтобы тут был не безликий Малюта, а фамилия и имя с адресом. Чтобы за каждую сплетню, подобранную у подъезда и распространенную в комментах, приходило реальное решение суда... Как вам такая перспектива? По мне, так вполне "ничего себе".
        1. snake
          snake 26 June 2020 12: 55 New
          +5
          Quote: Hagen
          so that there was not a faceless Malyuta, but a surname and a name with an address.

          Well of course ... Faceless Malyuta is not that the world famous Hagen!
          Hagen, well, who doesn’t know him ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 29 June 2020 14: 11 New
            0
            Quote: serpent
            Faceless Malyuta is not that world famous Hagen!

            Well, Hagena doesn’t seem like such a prospect is scary, but on the contrary, inspires. and you are not? Are you afraid to answer for your words?
            1. snake
              snake 29 June 2020 14: 21 New
              +1
              Of course, Hagena is inspiring. Licking power is easy and safe. Although, even in such greenhouse conditions, Hagen did not even bother to write his own name.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 29 June 2020 15: 37 New
                0
                Quote: serpent
                Although, even in such greenhouse conditions, Hagen did not even bother to write his own name.

                in this situation it is quite reasonable wink or do you see it differently? In your opinion, Hagen should put your passport data here, and will you continue to throw anonymous feces into it, and maybe not even figuratively? creative idea bully

                спецслужбы уже сейчас успешно находят особо зарвавшихся любителей "свободы слова" которые думают что из под ника можно безнаказанно распространять ложь и клевету, так что измениться? такие как вы боятся что окружающие будут знать кто вы. не спецслужбы, а обычные пользователи. власть тут не причем. это ваш страх перед теми кого вы называете народом и боитесь гораздо больше чем какой-то режим или власть. wink

                I do not require that you someone else immediately publish your data when registering or in the public domain, but the person’s attitude to the issue of registration with a passport is like a marker. if a person is for registration tied to a person, then he is ready to answer for his words, if against, then this person needs anonymity to spread some rubbish and avoid responsibility. I note once again responsibility to ordinary usersnot in front of the state. yes
                1. snake
                  snake 29 June 2020 19: 23 New
                  0
                  It seems to me that you do not need me for dialogue. You decided everything for me: who am I, what am I, why and why. Who I fear and what I want. Plus some of your creatures with feces ...
                  And about Hagena ... I do not need his passport data. Like his regrets about passport authorization. There are site rules. And even if you are Hagen, even Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich, it’s very rude to be rude and you will not be able to rush into feces. All these calls for identification are not from a great mind, but from a lack of arguments.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 30 June 2020 00: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: serpent
                    All these calls for identification are not from a great mind, but from a lack of arguments.

                    Do you want to remain anonymous with excess arguments and incredible mental abilities? it's funny. lol
                    я вам привел очевидный факт - если вы совершите какую нибудь глупость вроде публикации фото фашистов на акции "Бессмертный полк" или будите угрожать государственным служащим то государство вас найдет и покарает не зависимо от того как анонимно вы тут регистрировались.
                    registration with a passport eliminates the need to communicate with the next daughters of officers who burned 15 times on Kuznetsov and personally saw how terribly we live here.
                    1. snake
                      snake 30 June 2020 13: 52 New
                      +2
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      Do you want to remain anonymous with excess arguments and incredible mental abilities?

                      And who told you that I want to remain anonymous? You decide for me again ...
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      the state will find and punish you no matter how anonymously you are registered here.

                      Caesar is Caesar. For example, why do you need to know my name and address? So if you suddenly do not like what I wrote, come and arrange a debriefing? Who will decide what can be written and what cannot?
                      If you do not like to communicate with the daughters of officers - do not communicate. Nobody forces you.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 14: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Caesar is Caesar. For example, why do you need to know my name and address? So if you suddenly do not like what I wrote, come and arrange a debriefing?

                        what for? just to know that it is you wink change your nickname and change your touch on the fly laughing and so everyone will know that you wrote nonsense repeatedly and will relate accordingly. Yes, and it will be clear who the Siberian is here, and who is the West Ukrainian Siberian, who is the militia, and who is the sofa militia ... from how many artists got divorced. then one role they have another .... and so registration on the passport and everything written on your sovset, and not on some uchetka which you will change tomorrow and type clean.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Who will decide what can be written and what cannot?

                        Of course the site administration! What do you think? request
                        Quote: serpent
                        If you do not like to communicate with the daughters of officers - do not communicate. Nobody forces you.

                        uh nah! you can’t give a damn about them with impunity wink and so immediately it will be clear that this one has already been inflamed and you can put a provocateur in place for 1 post, and not for 10 while you bring it to clean water yes
                      2. snake
                        snake 30 June 2020 14: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        everyone will know that you wrote nonsense

                        Who will decide what is nonsense and what is not?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Yes, and it will be clear who the Siberian is here, and who is the West Ukrainian Siberian, who is the militia, and who is the sofa militia ...

                        Who will understand? Are there really certain criteria for dividing members of the forum into castes? Do you have any? Do not share?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Of course the site administration! What do you think?

                        So the site administration has ALREADY been deciding and acting for 10 years already ... And, imagine - without authorization for a passport.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        uh nah! you can’t give a damn about them with impunity

                        Why? If the truth is on your side, then what difference does it make? You will at any time, if desired, defeat your opponent in a dispute. Or do you doubt your truth? Or do you want to argue like a cheater - so that your opponents get a little ban and you get a carte blanche?
                        Таким как вы дай волю - они и самого господа бога начнут учить - как "правильно". Хотите быть святее Папы Римского.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 14: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: serpent
                        Who will decide what is nonsense and what is not?

                        everyone decides for himself. the question is who has more convincing arguments. wink
                        Quote: serpent
                        Who will understand? Are there really certain criteria for dividing members of the forum into castes? Do you have any? Do not share?

                        here is a good example of delirium yes Did I write something about castes? not. I wrote that they should know nonsense and provocateurs and it would be nice to deprive them of the opportunity to get rid of their bad reputation by simply changing their nickname.
                        Quote: serpent
                        So the site administration has ALREADY been deciding and acting for 10 years already ... And, imagine - without authorization for a passport.

                        what question, such and answer wink You asked who will decide what to write, I answered. registration by passport does not affect what can or cannot be written.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Таким как вы дай волю - они и самого господа бога начнут учить - как "правильно". Хотите быть святее Папы Римского.

                        another good example of delirium laughing
                        in short, the information war is also a war, and if you do not respond to fakes and anti-Russian propaganda, then it will be perceived as true. Do you suggest walking on the same rake? no really laughing
                      4. snake
                        snake 30 June 2020 15: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Did I write something about castes?

                        What is this?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Yes, and it will be clear who the Siberian is here, and who is the West Ukrainian Siberian, who is the militia, and who is the sofa militia ...

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        it would be nice to deprive them of the opportunity to get rid of a bad reputation

                        You, I suppose, have a reputation that shines right in all spectra! Meanwhile, in the Abrahamic religions there is an opportunity to repent and start life anew. You want to deprive people who stumbled (in your personal opinion) of this.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        registration by passport does not affect what can or cannot be written.

                        Why then is it needed?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        The information war is also a war, and if you do not respond to fakes and anti-Russian propaganda, then it will be perceived as true.

                        Ну так отвечайте! Жгите врага глаголом! Бейте его неоспоримыми доводами! Уничтожайте его подтверждёнными аргументами! Или проблема с этим? Легче кулаками и репрессивными методами, да? Как на Украине - тупо перестать транслировать российские каналы и разрешить только свои, где "правда и только правда".
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 17: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        What is this?

                        caste of siberians? caste of militias ??? ha ha ha lol
                        tell us in more detail how do you expose the bastards mimicking decent people (residents of the Crimea, militias, veterans, engineers of the military-industrial complex, etc.) to give credibility to their stuffing, suddenly cross with castes? I'm curious about the logical chain.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Meanwhile, in the Abrahamic religions there is an opportunity to repent and start life anew. You want to deprive people who stumbled (in your personal opinion) of this.
                        это как "добрые католики" из ОУН УПА которых в Канаду вывезли? не. пора с этим завязывать. yes
                        Quote: serpent
                        Why then is it needed?
                        in order for the responsibility to be borne by a specific person and not the nickname that will be replaced tomorrow.
                        Quote: serpent
                        Well answer! Burn the enemy with a verb! Beat him with undeniable arguments! Destroy it with confirmed arguments!

                        with all the pleasure bully
                        Quote: serpent
                        Or a problem with that?

                        as you see no wink
                        Quote: serpent
                        Easier with fists and repressive methods, right?

                        But what is the repressiveness of the method? is that the bulk player Vasya Pupkin will be on all the sites and resources of Vasya Pupkin and everyone will know that this individual breshes how he breathes? Oh my God! what uhos !!! the bastard cannot pretend to be a pensioner from Novgorod. what a terrible injustice !!! #sarcasm
                        Quote: serpent
                        Как на Украине - тупо перестать транслировать российские каналы и разрешить только свои, где "правда и только правда".

                        really stupid! yes do you have any other ideas? what
                      6. snake
                        snake 30 June 2020 19: 57 New
                        +2
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        tell us in more detail how do you expose the bastards mimicking decent people

                        Castes, strata, categories - in the context of our discussion, the difference between these concepts can be neglected. It suddenly dawned on me that you would like it. Do you know how in the Nazi concentration camps there was a division into Jews, Gypsies, Communists, etc.? Each category had its own icon. Jews have a star of David, gypsies have a triangle, and so on.
                        It would be great, right? Adjusted for your Wishlist. The Siberians have their own badge, the Ukrobanderites have their own badge. Again - thinking and analyzing once again is not necessary - very convenient. Digital concentration camp.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Navalnik Vasya Pupkin will be on all the sites and resources of Vasya Pupkin and everyone will know that this individual breshet how breathing?

                        And who will determine whether Vasya Pupkin is lying or not? It turns out that Vasya will have something like a wolf ticket on the Internet. All this struggle with dissent has never led to anything good. Today Pupkin, and tomorrow the responsible comrades will declassify you too. Here, after all, as they say: the main thing is not to overdo it.
  • Heathen
    Heathen 26 June 2020 10: 45 New
    -2
    Nah, not capable))
    Democracy in the form in which it is now, when everyone who has reached the age limit can vote, does not mean choosing one who is competent, but only one who speaks beautifully)
  • domokl
    25 June 2020 16: 29 New
    -12
    And who was Sobchak at the state level? As far as I remember, only the mayor of the city ... And about the oath ... well, don’t be likened to the guys who reproach the officers of that time for not starting a civil war. The man in uniform is primarily discipline and the execution of orders. Even if you personally do not like the order. Read the charter. Everything is written there ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 June 2020 17: 14 New
      37
      As for the mayor .. He played a very large role in the then swaying of the country. This mug did not come off the screen with EBN and others like him. I know about the Charter, I served. The people around did not really understand what had happened. Concerned about surviving literally. About the leader. Once again, under the head of state there should be a vice president. Maybe then it will make the couple move, creating healthy competition.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 June 2020 23: 53 New
        12
        That’s for sure, that's why Putin’s personal words about the fact that the people chose capitalism are what makes me sad. The most interesting thing is that in this view his implacable critics from the liberal opposition agree with him.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 26 June 2020 09: 19 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Once again, under the head of state there should be a vice president.

        What for? There is a head of government, there are leaders of the chambers of parliament, what do you expect from vice? Why does the car have two wheels?
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 26 June 2020 12: 21 New
        +2
        Дмитрий. Вспоминаю как раскачивали лодку в Ленинграде. В конце восьмидесятых в Маркизовой луже стали строить дамбу для защиты от наводнений. Каковы там были наводнения и какие последствия знаю не понаслышке. На ТВ появилось "Пятое колесо". Там хор "экологов" под руководством проф. Яблокова стал петь страшные песни о том как погибнет рыбка в Финском заливе , а сама маркизова лужа прекратится в вонючую помойку. И что - люди поверили - потому что для многих слово профессор означает. что -то священное, хотя бы он на самом деле профессор кислых щей. Строительство остановили. Таким образом из людей сделали послушное стадо. Открылось окно Овертона. И стало возможным то. что ещё вчера было невероятным. Лет пять назад дамбу достроили. Никакой помойки. Народ там ловит рыбу и довольно успешно, впрочем как повезёт.
    2. snake
      snake 25 June 2020 17: 48 New
      14
      Quote: domokl
      The man in uniform is primarily discipline and the execution of orders. Even if you personally do not like the order.

      Если Вы, Александр, привыкли делегировать свою совесть кому-то вышестоящему и делать какие-то неприятные вещи "патамушта ПРИКАЗ", то это не значит, что все в стране такие как Вы.
      Quote: domokl
      Read the charter.

      Charter is for the army. It would seem that the citizen should be a little different. Our country is not a barracks country, honestly ...
      So that they do not have their “Chinese down-padded coats”, their “Bush legs”, their “brigades”.

      We exchanged Chinese down jackets for Chinese everything, Bush's legs for palm oil, the crews became smaller, but no, no, and there are disassemblies a la the 90s.
      1. MBRSS
        MBRSS 25 June 2020 18: 57 New
        27
        snake, brigades enlarged, legalized and are now called industrial and financial groups.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 26 June 2020 07: 05 New
        15
        Quote: serpent
        Charter is for the army.
        KGB officer, this is somewhat more than the army in terms of oath. In addition, to be also a communist, it’s a little more to immediately take and become a capitalist.
        A betrayer once - will betray more than once ...
        Lied once, who will believe you.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 26 June 2020 09: 30 New
        0
        Quote: serpent
        They traded ...... Bush’s legs for palm oil, the brigades became smaller, but no, no, and there are disassemblies a la the 90s.

        Open your eyes, the country in 2019 earned more on food exports than on arms. Was it like that in the 90s? And in the 80s?
        1. snake
          snake 26 June 2020 12: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Hagen
          in 2019, the country earned more on food exports than on armaments. Was it like that in the 90s? And in the 80s?

          In the 1913th year it was. Grains sold more than weapons.
          And what do you mean by that? So we have a lot of oil and gas exported, and gasoline is getting more expensive and more expensive. So it is with food. Normal products are exported and palm oil is imported. Including for fighters.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 26 June 2020 15: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: serpent
            In the 1913th year it was. Grains sold more than weapons.

            In 1913, three quarters of the peasants did not see clean bread without bran, and 9 out of 10 drafted soldiers first tried meat in the army canteen. Do you feel the difference? On a palm tree - give statistics on poisoning in Russia from palm oil.
            1. snake
              snake 26 June 2020 21: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              In 1913, three quarters of the peasants did not see clean bread without bran, and 9 out of 10 drafted soldiers first tried meat in the army canteen.

              Yes, you are talking about the 1913th, I look, they took it seriously ... But it was a hint that to compare with the past is bad manners. But can you just take it and not write about the 90s, right?
              Quote: Hagen
              On a palm tree - give statistics on poisoning in Russia from palm oil.

              First, give statistics on Bush leg poisoning.
              In fact, the harm of palm oil is manifested, in particular, in increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease. And nobody talks about poisoning.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 27 June 2020 14: 19 New
          0
          . in 2019, the country earned more on food exports than on armaments.

          This grain, that is, unprocessed raw, add another round timber and oil, a raw materials appendage, is pride for you?
          Do you know what Germany exports? Some cars give more profit than all raw stuff combined.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 27 June 2020 17: 50 New
            0
            Quote: nickname7
            This grain, that is, unprocessed raw, add another round timber and oil, a raw materials appendage, is pride for you?

            The list of export products includes not only grain, but also meat, fish, seafood, and more. Despite the fact that the United States, Canada, the EU are actively participating in the same grain market and are not at all complex. Although I will not deny that it is better to trade goods with a high degree of redistribution, because this product is more expensive. However, recalling that in the early 2000s we barely filled our market by 40%, I believe that this is progress, and very tangible.
            Quote: nickname7
            Do you know what Germany exports? Some cars give more profit than all raw stuff combined.

            And how many nuclear technologies does Germany export? Moreover, I completely agree that the Germans have something to adopt. That's why we are building joint production of cars, turbines, and much more. I do not see anything wrong with this.
            Вы считаете, Россия ни на что, кроме сырья не способна? Ну посыпайте себе голову пеплом и гордитесь знанием "конечной истины". В этом я вам не помощник. Нам, нашей стране, РИ-СССР-РФ, западные страны санкции всевозможного масштаба и калибра объявляют с петровских времен. После 1917 года не было, чтобы нас не пытались в экономике придушить. Даже когда мы официально в "союзниках" ходили. И ничего, живем, и периодически этот Запад своим сапогом по хитрой рыжей морде бьем. И сегодня можем это сделать, и они это достоверно знают, потому и не рыпаются совсем уж по-наглому. Так что не плачьте, мы не совсем пропащие. Утрем сопли и выстоим. laughing
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 27 June 2020 17: 54 New
            0
            Quote: nickname7
            raw materials appendage, pride for you?

            I’m embarrassed to ask, what did you do to make it different?
    3. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 04 New
      -7
      "насколько" слитно.
    4. snucerist
      snucerist 25 June 2020 20: 03 New
      +7
      Charter is good. The thing is necessary.
      Just do not forget that there is also the Oath.
      And in some special services - it’s also special. To break which is bad manners.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 25 June 2020 22: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: snucerist
        Charter is good. The thing is necessary.
        Just do not forget that there is also Oath.
        And in some special services - it’s also special. To break which is bad manners.

        То как ЕБН отдавал власть на самом деле, россияне узнают не раньше чем лет через 100, но то, что его уход был добровольным -"Я устал, я ухожу", то я в этом сильно сомневаюсь. Не для того он в 1996 году в двух турах пятую точку рвал, что бы добровольно и досрочно отказаться от власти. В моменте передачи власти, probably there is a shadow of the special services of the remaining faithful oath, которые поняли то, что дальнейшее пребывание ЕБНа у руля может привести страну к полному развалу и предложили ему "слиться" по хорошему под гарантии безопасности ему и его семейству. Именно после этого, страна начала движение в обратном, от предложенного Западом, направлении и стала предпринимать шаги к восстановлению суверенитета, после чего "дружба" со стороны США и ЕС стала трансформироваться в санкции, угрозы, русофобию и демонизацию России.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 26 June 2020 07: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          It was after this that the country began moving in the opposite direction from that proposed by the West

          The fact that Yeltsin brought the country to a pen, and that the country is on the verge of a social explosion, is precisely what the West understood first. Zyuganov was actually the winner of the 1996 elections, and this confirmed the failure of capitalist innovations under the carbon copy of the overseas masters.

          Ельцин в своё время пришёл к власти поправ и Конституцию, и референдум за сохранение СССР, а Горбачёв предательски умыл руки, вместо того чтобы арестовать путчистов из Беловежской пущи. Ельцин стал ставленником Запада, но именно Запад и не был заинтересован в таком деятеле дальше, который компрометировал ни только себя, позоря Россию, но и "демократический" выбор.

          Был Собчак, его прозападная команда, новый выбор был сделан. Надувание щёк и показное бодание с Западом подняло рейтинги власти, позволило наварить деньги на новом противостоянии, как Западу, так и его карманной российской "элите". В остальном, как был "вашингтонский обком", так он и остался, как ЦБ РФ фактически не принадлежит правительству России, так всё и осталось.
          Everything else is husk, but the point is that you cannot live in capitalism and be free from its laws, I repeat, not for the benefit of the colonies invented by the masters of the world capitalist system.
          У кого и где лежат денежки нашей "элиты", тот "девочку" и танцует, и без разницы, сколько ядерных кнопок будет у таких лидеров в российском капитализме, страна останется зависимой.
        2. Sergey Zhikharev
          Sergey Zhikharev 26 June 2020 16: 25 New
          +2
          То как ЕБН отдавал власть на самом деле, россияне узнают не раньше чем лет через 100, но то, что его уход был добровольным -"Я устал, я ухожу", то я в этом сильно сомневаюсь. Не для того он в 1996 году в двух турах пятую точку рвал, что бы добровольно и досрочно отказаться от власти. В моменте передачи власти, наверное присутствует тень представителей спецслужб оставшихся верных присяге, которые поняли то, что дальнейшее пребывание ЕБНа у руля может привести страну к полному развалу и предложили ему "слиться" по хорошему под гарантии безопасности ему и его семейству. Именно после этого, страна начала движение в обратном, от предложенного Западом, направлении и стала предпринимать шаги к восстановлению суверенитета, после чего "дружба" со стороны США и ЕС стала трансформироваться в санкции, угрозы, русофобию и демонизацию России.

          Yeltsin was leaving at the end of 1999, and the presidential term would end in the summer of 2000. Yes, the special services worked quickly, couldn’t we say in the summer of 1999 to turn to him? But Yeltsin’s sudden departure dealt a heavy blow to his political opponents - they were preparing for the election campaign that would begin in the summer, and in the winter - there were no plans, and the fight turned out to be crumpled. Yeltsin himself received a receiver that did not drag the oligarchs (and himself) into the cell.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 26 June 2020 17: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
            Yeltsin was leaving at the end of 1999, and the presidential term would end in the summer of 2000. Yes, the special services worked quickly, couldn’t we say in the summer of 1999 to turn to him? But Yeltsin’s sudden departure dealt a heavy blow to his political opponents - they were preparing for the election campaign that would begin in the summer, and in the winter - there were no plans, and the fight turned out to be crumpled. Yeltsin himself received a receiver that did not drag the oligarchs (and himself) into the cell.

            I put forward my version. You have put forward your version. Both that, and another, only two versions from many. But how it really was, we will not know soon. One thing is obvious, a clear change in the country's course of movement occurred after the change of EBN.
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 27 June 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          . At the time of the transfer of power, there is probably a shadow of the representatives of the special services remaining loyal to the oath,

          This was the first stage - grab grabbing nobody's property. The state prevented the robbery, so they broke it. After the appearance of the oligarchs of the owners, they began to defend their own, the second stage began - stabilization, the state became necessary to protect the loot, moreover, the west with which the oligarchs wanted to merge did not accept the nouveau riche as their own. It is a mistake to think that the guarantor was guided by patriotism, here only the interests of the ruling. The state is needed to protect the feeding zone, from attacks by oligarchs against each other and to protect against Western sharks.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 16: 52 New
    38
    Quote: 210ox
    "Это точно Путин до этого страну довел? Точно он продал заводы за копейки?

    Do not remind who exactly said - there will be no revision of the results of privatization? But the whole country, minus 1-2 percent, would support in this matter .... And the roofing thief, he is no better than that thief. But rather, even worse. A thief only steals, personally. Roofing creates the environment for mass theft.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 22: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Lannan Shi

      Do not remind who exactly said - there will be no revision of the results of privatization?

      Are you sure that if he promised to review the results of privatization, the next day he would be alive? I'm not sure.
      And then what? And there would be no review and the president would be different. Which also would not review the results of privatization.
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 23: 05 New
        19
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

        Are you sure that if he promised to review the results of privatization, the next day he would be alive? I'm not sure.

        Interesting. Now, if Alexander 2 so reasoned, abolishing serfdom, and deciding not to risk his skin, would he leave everything as it is, would Russia survive to 1917? If for me, it is unlikely. Covered before.
        Nobody kicks into the presidency at all. Want a quiet life? A job as a watchman in the country can be found.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And then what?

        1937 year. Version 2.0 Potanolisins are in a ravine, and the country's budget is about twice as thick. A bunch of private traders? Bending over the army, police, state security? And all this in the 21st century? Unscientific fiction. Even in wild Colombia, this attraction somehow did not work out. Although some potanin, against the backdrop of drug cartels, when they were at the peak ... Baby. Helpless. But so yes. If the goal is not to raise the country, but try to get into the camera, eat deliciously, drive the Siberian Cranes, then such adventures are useless.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 26 June 2020 07: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Lannan Shi

          Interesting. Now, if Alexander 2 so reasoned, abolishing the serfdom

          I agree with everything that you wrote. I think so. But..
          .
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk

          And then what? And there would be no review and the president would be different. Which also would not review the results of privatization.

          Вам понравилось бы, если бы он "попер грудью вперед" и его грохнули. Вы бы ему оду сложили. Но у человека другой характер - "я поступлю иначе", и таки заставлю, и их тоже, работать на государство. Согласитесь, у него немного получилось. Не так, чтобы как нам хотелось, но все же. А у Вас все и всегда сразу получается?
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 26 June 2020 09: 58 New
            14
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Но у человека другой характер - "я поступлю иначе"

            Here I agree. I remember his statements in style. Street taught a lot. You have to beat first. Simply put - a typical shit from the gateway. The type is famous. But by no means courage.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            I will force them, too, to work for the state. Agree, he did a little. .

            Md Take the example of Norilsk Nickel. In February, 4.5 billion dollars of dividends were sawn. About half the aircraft carrier. Already in March, in the list of seriously injured, which urgently need to dump money from the budget. And who actually works for whom?
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Not like we wanted.

            Yes, for sure. First, leave the thief stolen, then hang up with state awards, including half a dozen, then start sponsoring from the budget. A very extravagant way to fight crime. Yes, we certainly would not want such a way to combat theft as rewards and tranches from the budget.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Do you always get it right away?

            Yes, it would be funny if, after applying for a job, I would tell the employer that there will be no road repair. I just don’t want it and that’s it. Putin is just an employee. And he, in principle, has no right to decide that everyone needs to comply with the laws, but Ivanov / Petrov / Sidorov is not necessary. This is generally called corruption and the criminal community, if chew. And at the head of Russia is an outright criminal, if from the point of view of the law.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 27 June 2020 14: 58 New
              -1
              . outright criminal, if from the point of view of the law
              You are fixated on criminals, as if this is something bad, in big politics. Are baboons criminals for you too?
              As a woman, you don’t understand that this is the primitive struggle of aggressive baboons egoists for a resource, this is a natural, universal thing. In the House of Lords, in politics and in prison, the same rules apply, only the terminology is different.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 28 June 2020 18: 39 New
              -1
              Quote: Lannan Shi

              Street taught a lot. You have to beat first. Simply put - a typical shit from the gateway. The type is famous. But by no means courage.

              Usually in life, those who are afraid or hesitate to hit first are the ones who hit the most.
              If someone offended you, should your husband wait for your abuser to hit him?
              After all, we are talking about this. Beating first does not mean waving fists left and right.
              You are a woman, so you misunderstood his words.
              Quote: Lannan Shi

              Md Take the example of Norilsk Nickel. In February, 4.5 billion dollars of dividends were sawn. About half the aircraft carrier. Already in March, in the list of seriously injured, whom it is urgent to dump

              I do not have genuine information, so I can not argue. And how many taxes did Norilsk Nickel pay to the budget?
              Our, and my often, mistake is that we make clear demands in a socialist society. But, alas, we live in a completely different society, and we must learn to make claims that are relevant to this society.
          2. Roman123567
            Roman123567 26 June 2020 10: 36 New
            +7
            "я поступлю иначе", и таки I will force them, too, to work for the state. Agree, he has it turned out a little.Not so that as we wanted, but still.

            I read and cry ..
            Poor Timchen women, Lisins, Abramovichs, Potanins, Rottenbergs, Sechins, Millers ..
            They were forced to .. a little .. Not so, of course .. but still ..
            Fucking shame ..
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 26 June 2020 10: 28 New
        +4
        Are you sure that if he promised to review the results of privatization, the next day he would be alive?


        Какое-то слабенький "аргумент"..
        It turns out that in order to save his ass, he will SELL us and SELL us as many times as needed ??
        Уж такого позорного обвинения в трусости в адрес "уважаемого президента" от даздрапутов я никак не ожидал услышать..))
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 26 June 2020 10: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Do not remind who exactly said - there will be no revision of the results of privatization? But the whole country, minus 1-2 percent, would support in this matter .... And the roofing thief, he is no better than that thief. But rather, even worse. A thief only steals, personally. Roofing creates the environment for mass theft.

      You underestimate the combined power of thieves and the West! They will demolish anyone, there is only a long game.
  • Berber
    Berber 25 June 2020 16: 54 New
    +6
    When Putin became prime minister, they began to pay salaries to the military stably. And when he became president, they began to raise. One I do not understand why Serdyukov.
    1. MBRSS
      MBRSS 25 June 2020 17: 28 New
      21
      As far as I know, under Serdyukov, many were dismissed or dismissed; the number of specialized educational institutions was reduced. Due to this, and increased salaries remaining.
    2. U-58
      U-58 25 June 2020 18: 52 New
      19
      Of course, they began to pay. Putin was not [censored] and understood very well that reliance on the people to the leader was OPTIONAL.
      Достаточно иметь хорошо прикормленных силовиков. Вот и платит, чтобы любые приказы исполнялись "монументально". Нелишним будет напомнить, что нацгвардия страны по численности превышает собственно армию. С чего бы это, собенно в условиях возрастающей враждебности НАТО и США?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 22: 14 New
        -6
        Quote: U-58

        Of course, they began to pay. Putin was not [censored] and understood very well that reliance on the people to the leader was OPTIONAL.

        And how can one rely on the people if the people have only one thing on their mind - bread and circuses.
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 26 June 2020 10: 39 New
          +1
          the people have only one thing in mind - bread and circuses.
          Well, yes .. it’s at the request of the people Putin holds parades several times a year ..))
          When they can’t give bread, it remains only to show spectacles ..
    3. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 20: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: BerBer
      One I do not understand why Serdyukov.


      You know, many are asking this question, but so far the secret, I am convinced it will still be revealed.
  • perm23
    perm23 25 June 2020 17: 36 New
    13
    Well then, a lot of people violated something and took pride and 16 million communists fled in one day, and we all had a hand in what was then. those who chose Boria. those who sold their vouchers. those who calmly watched the demolition of monuments. so who to blame but themselves
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 June 2020 17: 45 New
      21
      Yes you are right. It remains to blame ourselves. But to say that Putin had nothing to do with it, so stood aside, is not true. He was an adviser to one of the leaders, the privatizationists. Maybe because the redhead is still alive, and this theoretician thief is in the grave? Nothing about the dead, or good?
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 June 2020 19: 30 New
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    Хочу напомнить, кем был Пути в 90-е.А он был не на вторых ролях в "команде Собчака"

    And by whom? Fifth wheel in the cart? A forced servant. What the bosses said, you did. Or are you walking under your boss and behaving differently?
    Quote: Malyuta
    Ключевое слово "предложат" и по его мнению мы сами не способны выбрать кандидата.

    I once asked a question, well, who is the popular candidate? Point with your finger, if you yourself are capable and so on ... where is this unfortunate hiding?
    Я часто говорил,а точнее напоминал тут оппонентам ,как было в 90-е. Челночники на всех вокзалах,жвачка "Турбо" и "Лав ю",задержки зарплат на месяцы,на Ж/Д путях горники касками машут об рельсы....я это помню. Автор зря не напомнил все эти краски ТОЙ жизни более подробно,чтоб у людей немного просветлело...
    In the days of EBN, someone calculated that so many people (and more of the male population) died, which is comparable to the losses in the Second World War. People forgot how they lived then ... and do not want to remember.
    We don’t bend our backs under the West now, and the standard of living allows us to ride on the seas and buy cars regularly, and so on ... just a man is a mysterious animal, give him a nickel, he will want a ruble afterwards. And there will be a nickel for that, which was not long ago glad immensely to look at alms. Here is such a humanity.
    Putin will leave, and I agree with the author, age. So far, Duncans McLauts have not been nominated for presidency. And a replacement is definitely needed. Young, patriotic, with the makings of a strong leader, with a good strategist. Will there be one? I really hope that yes, there is. And there, let the people themselves decide, back in the 90s, succumbing to the tales of fraudsters, and hanging their ears, or forward, to continue development.
    То что построил ВВП -это база...плохая хорошая,каждый для себя решает сам,но...именно на этой базе,мы будет жить после него.И тут либо улучшим,преумножим,и разовьемся,либо к жвачке "Турбо","Челночникам" и осовременненому НЕПу.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 22: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      The fifth wheel in the cart?

      Yeah. And he, in turn, was bonded, Sechin surname. Secretary
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 22: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      I often spoke, or rather, reminded my opponents here, as it was in the 90s.

      That's right, Andrey. I did not forget how in the 90s I asked the children at the family council - we had the last ruble left at our farm, what we would buy, bread or soap, both of these ended. The children said soap. There is no bread, there is potato.
      No one will be able to answer the question - if not for Putin, but conditional Ivanov, how would we live? It’s very easy to judge the boss, I, in my youth, did it very easily. But the time has come and he himself became the boss. And I realized - not everything is as simple as it seems from the cellar.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 03: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        I did not forget how in the 90s I asked the children at the family council - we had the last ruble left at our farm, what we would buy, bread or soap, both of these ended. The children said soap. There is no bread, there is potato.

        What are you driving? In the 90s, moonshine was worth 8 thousand, but he:
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        last ruble

        Where did you find the ruble, show.
        1. Zvonarev
          Zvonarev 26 June 2020 10: 16 New
          +2
          What are you driving? In the 90s, moonshine was worth 8 thousand, but he:

          The 90th concept is extensible, 91 also falls there, so that year you could buy a Lada for 8000
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 10: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Zvonarev
            91 also gets there, so that year you could buy a Lada for 8000

            It is impossible. Already in the 89th, gold and precious metals prices doubled and off and on. In addition, in the 91st work everyone was provided, my acquaintance at that time a year and a half spent in prison for parasitism.
            1. Zvonarev
              Zvonarev 26 June 2020 10: 29 New
              +1
              In what sense is it impossible?
              ВАЗ 2108 стоил порядка 8300 в 1991, так что экономически можно было купить. Другое дело распределение, не все были "допущены"
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 10: 41 New
                -1
                Quote: Zvonarev
                In what sense is it impossible?

                In the 91st prices were released. Okay, they released at the end of the year, but the person is clearly not about this time. In the 92nd, I remember, for a week of work in practice, I received 350 rubles, for which I went to Moscow for a walk, and the master threatened to pay 9 thousand a month. Ommanula, and after a couple of years there they began to pay salaries with sand and cement.
                1. Zvonarev
                  Zvonarev 26 June 2020 10: 45 New
                  +1
                  I agree, of course, it was far-fetched, already by the summer cars had doubled or tripled. I remember that my father was going to take a new Niva, but while he had scratched out money from Sber, there were 5 wheels left ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 11: 02 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Zvonarev
                    I remember that my father was going to take a new Niva, but while he had scratched out money from Sber, there were 5 wheels left ...

                    Bullshit. My uncle’s friend had 20 thousand in a nest egg while he was hunting in the taiga, Pavlov’s reform was announced. And the wheels are gone.
    3. rruvim
      rruvim 25 June 2020 22: 58 New
      +9
      20 лет живём на этой "базе". Постоянно отмазки: "санкции, короновирус, международный кризис". И ещё четыре года, а после обнуления ещё 12-лет. И опять будет у Соловья и Киселя - "всё хорошо прекрасная маркиза..." и " это всё злобный Запад!", а так бы в России был-бы город-сад.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 26 June 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      Of course, I do what my boss gets bored with. But there was an episode in my life when I realized that the leader was tyranny. And then I took it and left work. By the way, this was at the beginning of those very ones. 90s. In this case, then still subordinate V. Putin was happy with everything. And maybe even more.
    5. Per se.
      Per se. 26 June 2020 10: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Я часто говорил,а точнее напоминал тут оппонентам ,как было в 90-е. Челночники на всех вокзалах,жвачка "Турбо" и "Лав ю",задержки зарплат на месяцы,на Ж/Д путях горники касками машут об рельсы....я это помню. Автор зря не напомнил все эти краски ТОЙ жизни более подробно,чтоб у людей немного просветлело
      Я тоже это помню, и это было следствием развала великой страны. " Забыли люди как жили тогда...и не хотят помнить", это когда цветное ТВ было в диковинку и напрочь не было смартфонов и вообще интернета? Только это заслуга прогресса, а не капитализма и новой власти в России, которая будучи у руля скоро 30 лет, лишь проедает советский запас прочности, не создав ничего, что могло бы сравниться с развитием за такой же период в СССР. Вот уже и призвали попов окроплять космические ракеты святой водой перед стартом, теряя все достижения по космосу.
      Да, но фоне алкаша Ельцина, наверное, любой за гения бы сошёл, особенно, когда долг и непосредственные обязанности уже начинают восприниматься за подвиги и великие одолжения, а любые слабости, ошибки и просчёты за "хитрый план".
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 21: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Хочу напомнить, кем был Пути в 90-е.А он был не на вторых ролях в "команде Собчака" И отсюда следует,

    И что из этого следует? Из этого следует, что "команда Собчака" "рулила" Россией? Не Ельцин, не?
    In no way do I relieve him of any responsibility. But this is not a country, it is only Leningrad and the region.
    And in general, do we have the right to judge him for the 90s? For 00th, 10th yes, we have.
    I do not like when they unfairly blaspheme.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 27 June 2020 09: 10 New
    +1
    When they say to me, do you remember 90 e ????? !!! I always have a gag reflex and I answer, but remember the 45th ??? !!! The whole country lay in ruins! Do you remember the 61st ??? The man in space ?! For 16 years, the country has gone from ruins to space!
  • zenion
    zenion 27 June 2020 17: 53 New
    0
    It is clear that it is easier to make a leader than to get rid of him later.
  • zenion
    zenion 29 June 2020 13: 34 New
    0
    Have you read about the affairs of Putin? He was not just like that. Just like that, this is the one who considers the raven. But the leader can be changed and this was done only for a person with a consonant word.
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 25 June 2020 15: 53 New
    19
    "Надежды же оппозиции на появление в их рядах хоть кого-то, кто сможет претендовать на лидерство в стране, настолько призрачны, что и говорить о них не стоит"
    You will say that in Belarus. There were no worthy ones there yesterday. Today, most of them. Society itself gives birth to Minins and Pozharsky. Power must change and point.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 June 2020 15: 57 New
      17
      You will say that in Belarus. There were no worthy ones there yesterday. Today, most of them.

      Do not confuse those who are worthy with candidates who have accidentally come to hand. If only not for Lukashenko. There, in fact, the vote is for or against Lukashenko. And the rest of the candidates are purely nominal.
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      2. snucerist
        snucerist 25 June 2020 20: 13 New
        +8
        If people vote against Lukashenko (spit, for whom), does this mean Lukashenko himself? Moreover, not in the best tones?
        Lukashenko can be treated differently. But looking at what is happening in Belarus today, you understand: Old Man just got tired of Syabram.
        So, tired of it - that's all. Sitting for one person on the throne for decades does not work. Initially, people accumulate irritation, then it turns into banal hatred.
        And if you were at least seven spans in the forehead, nobody will be able to avoid this fate.
        1. Snarkxnumx
          Snarkxnumx 25 June 2020 20: 28 New
          0
          "И будь ты хоть семи пядей во лбу, избежать этой участи не удастся никому."
          At 100. percent is true ..
          But for some reason they (nullified, sun-faced, and other bad people) think that they confuse everyone in three pines.
    2. unaha
      unaha 25 June 2020 16: 04 New
      11
      "Власть должна меняться и точка" - следует добавить "независимо от предыдущих заслуг". В противном случае начинается поздний СССР с анекдотом: "Дорогие товарищи! Вы, конечно, будете смеяться, но нас опять постигла тяжелая утрата… ".
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 25 June 2020 16: 29 New
        11
        The elite will age .... and then they will change the GDP to Shoigu, etc. only in comparison with the late USSR is the situation different. The elite has interests, children and accounts abroad and it will be much easier to influence them. And then he will shoot like Zelensky (a man from nowhere).
        1. flicker
          flicker 25 June 2020 17: 33 New
          -1
          And then he will shoot like Zelensky (a man from nowhere).
          Это он сам "выстрелил" или кто то ИМ "выстрелил"?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 25 June 2020 18: 00 New
            +3
            He himself will not shoot at all.
      2. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 17: 30 New
        -10
        "Власть должна меняться и точка"
        Are you talking about Ukraine? bully
      3. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 17: 38 New
        0
        It should of course only be here to whom this is the question.
      4. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 17: 50 New
        +8
        we had old experienced electricians at our factory. masters. new power has come. changed they were removed. . when switching transformers. new have made an accident. and here is not a plant here is a country.
      5. Tatiana Egorova
        Tatiana Egorova 26 June 2020 09: 03 New
        +2
        I join what has been said !.
    3. domokl
      25 June 2020 16: 31 New
      -14
      Have you read the material carefully? The situation that we now saw in Belarus a year ago in Ukraine ... One to one ... This is also in the article
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 25 June 2020 16: 48 New
        +4
        The situation that is now in Belarus

        The situation that they want to create in Belarus.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 25 June 2020 17: 11 New
          -10
          And which we would very much like to see with us.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 25 June 2020 17: 27 New
            -1
            What are you doing? Your affairs are your affairs! It's just that my namesake incorrectly assesses the situation in Belarus.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 25 June 2020 18: 02 New
            0
            Who loves sausage, and who is pig cartilage! Someone longs for the return of the USSR and collective farms! Duc, what is the problem? Lukashenko, the President of Russia! And it will be for us both, in Soviet style, and on the collective farm! (As Lukashenko understands this!)
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 25 June 2020 18: 04 New
              +2
              Will not be already. There will be a redistribution of assets
      2. Snarkxnumx
        Snarkxnumx 25 June 2020 20: 13 New
        +6
        "Один в один с Украиной"
        And where is one to one here.
        Luka has been sitting for 26 years, while there are 6 presidents in Ukraine. has changed. Your eyesight is strange. I see there is not.
      3. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 56 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Have you read the material carefully? The situation that we now saw in Belarus a year ago in Ukraine ... One to one ... This is also in the article


        Why people point blank do not notice this, and then they will vote ...
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 June 2020 16: 56 New
      12
      Quote: Snark1876
      Society itself gives birth to Minins and Pozharsky.

      Society does not always give birth to Miginsky and Pozharsky, but also Zelensky.
      1. Harry cuper
        Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 16 New
        +5
        Society gives birth even to Chikatilo. But when Chikatil and Zelensky will be stopped depends on the maturity of society and the presence / absence of the INSTITUTES of power in it. Otherwise, the cycle from king to king will be repeated endlessly
      2. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 54 New
        +4
        But Zelensky is much more often, or rather constantly ...
    5. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 17: 47 New
      +5
      but the minin and the fire department didn’t quite appear there, too, there was everything and everyone, and those who put the Poles into the Kremlin didn’t want to establish power by war and blood again.
    6. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 17: 52 New
      -1
      and who told you that they are worthy. shouting the right and beautiful words is one thing, but managing and doing it is completely different. As the grandmother said, the Reds came. the committee of the poor occupied the manor house. they spoke very beautifully and correctly. but they didn’t work, they rallied only and sang songs two months later the house was littered. and fled
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 25 June 2020 19: 30 New
        0
        And in the grandmother’s village at the head of the commander was Vanka her red neighbor. Vanka’s favorite pastime was playing the balalaika all day. And in the evening I came to my grandmother and asked - Man, give me a piece of bread, otherwise the children will cry.
    7. codetalker
      codetalker 25 June 2020 18: 19 New
      +1
      But who is against the Minins and Pozharsky ... But so far, only Putin and goofs. Why change places?
      1. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 19: 32 New
        0
        no reason. I agree.
      2. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: codetalker
        But who is against the Minins and Pozharsky ... But so far, only Putin and goofs. Why change places?


        Well said, but sooner or later, but a change must be found ...
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 25 June 2020 21: 16 New
          +4
          So that's what the conversation is about. One way or another, Putin will leave soon enough. We should use the remaining time in such a way as to transfer power without the collapse of the entire state.
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 21 New
            0
            The author correctly says that he himself understands this ...
    8. Heathen
      Heathen 26 June 2020 11: 32 New
      -5
      Why does it (power) have to change? Because the left heel is combed? Who invented this nonsense at all?
      In Great Britain, for example, the queen rules for life and everyone is happy ...
      1. alone
        alone 26 June 2020 12: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Heathen
        In Great Britain, for example, the queen rules for life and everyone is happy ...

        The queen is a symbol of power there .. And the Prime Minister rules Great Britain
        1. Heathen
          Heathen 26 June 2020 14: 34 New
          0
          Congratulations to you, citizen, deceit (s)
          The prime minister is approved and dismissed by the queen. The prime minister is accountable to the queen (don't believe me, ask google). Therefore, she has real power, and the prime minister is only a hardworking performer.
          1. alone
            alone 26 June 2020 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Heathen
            Congratulations to you, citizen, deceit (s)
            The prime minister is approved and dismissed by the queen. The prime minister is accountable to the queen (don't believe me, ask google). Therefore, she has real power, and the prime minister is only a hardworking performer.

            .United Kingdom constitutional monarchy ... And Russia is also a monarchy? Well, change the constitution, declare a monarchy, make Putin the king (Vladimir the First) and let him rule forever .. And then who needs all this fuss with amendments with zeroing.
            Quote: Heathen
            The prime minister is approved and dismissed by the queen. The prime minister is accountable to the queen (don't believe me, ask google). Therefore, she has real power,

            Well, yes .. I agree ... She is still the ruler of 15 countries .. so what? Have you ever seen that she did not get off the screens, was praised on TV around the clock? There are certain points, she appears, speaks her word and that’s all ... But at least she doesn’t put her head into the economy, bearing nonsense about the middle class and the fact that the fall of the ruble is beneficial to the Russian economy belay
            1. Heathen
              Heathen 26 June 2020 16: 40 New
              -1
              И ничего. Вопрос стоял о сменяемости-несменяемости власти. Вам привели факт, но вы сначала начали старую песню "всё-вы-врёте", а теперь пытаетесь делать хорошую мину при плохой игре, уводя разговор в сторону))

              And if you don’t like to watch the president around the clock, buy a subscription to MTV. And without understanding anything in the economy, you can, of course, talk about nonsense. However, a weak currency is beneficial to exporters, and a strong one to importers. Export is the country's income. Accordingly, the development of the economy. But the weak currency is a bone in the throat to lovers of jamon, parmesan and the last iPhone. Such just shout that everything was gone))

              Upd. It is possible and the monarchy, but such a howl rises. You can simply remove the item limiting the number of terms))
              1. alone
                alone 26 June 2020 16: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Heathen
                но вы сначала начали старую песню "всё-вы-врёте", а

                I do not like this expression .. Everyone has the right to have their own adequate and reasoned opinion .. I just do not like frank nonsense ... Sometimes there are such thoughts
                Quote: Heathen
                And if you don’t like to watch the president around the clock, buy a subscription to MTV.

                I don’t watch TV ... Actually.
                .
                Quote: Heathen
                It is possible and the monarchy, but such a howl rises.

                And who will pay attention to this howl ..
                Quote: Heathen
                You can simply remove the item limiting the number of terms))

                Monarchy De facto ... Any de facto is still worse than de jure
                Quote: Heathen
                and now trying to make a good face in a bad game, taking the conversation aside))

                I just made a mistake .. about the queen ... it’s peculiar to a person to make a mistake .. But you will agree that they have only a performer in sight hi
                1. Heathen
                  Heathen 26 June 2020 21: 42 New
                  -1
                  Monarchy De facto ... Any de facto is still worse than de jure
                  Not at all. Monarchy involves the transfer of power to the heir within the same family. And here you are free to choose anyone who meets the necessary criteria. And re-elect him as much as you want. In the United States 150 years right up to Truman it was possible and no one stuttered about undemocracy.

                  But you will agree that they have only the performer in sight
                  hardly. I don’t monitor the English press, but I think there is a lot of attention paid to the royal family. And besides, if only the performer is in sight, then this is some kind of serocardialism. One is to blame, and the cones are flying to another ... complete nonsense ...
  • Dmitry Donskoy_2
    Dmitry Donskoy_2 25 June 2020 15: 57 New
    +8
    The leader is the one they are listening to. And here are some promises, but to the point of 0.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 June 2020 16: 04 New
      23
      I will say that. On the screen, he is the Leader. This cannot be taken away. He speaks in many respects the correct speech. Another thing is that they all spit on the ground. Or pretend to be work. I have already given an example of everyday life-extension of a disability for six months in absentia. Yes dreaming! Transport does not work between municipalities, but you still need to drag yourself to doctors and experts. This is the Krasnodar Territory. Over two decades, he has turned into a talking head that can be listened to, or not.
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 25 June 2020 16: 11 New
        0
        On the screen, he is the Leader. This cannot be taken away. He speaks in many respects the correct speech. Another thing is that they all spit on the ground.
        So is he the leader or the one who says the right thing?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 00 New
          +8
          Quote: Threaded screw
          So is he the leader or the one who says the right thing?

          Chatterbox he.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 25 June 2020 16: 16 New
        28
        Quote: 210ox
        I will say that. On the screen, he is the Leader. This cannot be taken away.

        Он плод пиара с придуманной биографией и имиджем "крутого парня из народа" -он аватар-трикстер, ширма, если угодно, за которой неуклонно укреплялся эльцинизм и продолжалось разграбление страны.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 20: 42 New
          -5
          What a phantasmagorist you are, mock everything, would work for your own good or something.
      3. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 17: 40 New
        -13
        unfortunately any leader and king makes his retinue. so in our places we have those whom we have chosen. and we all want something from him alone. and one in the field is not a warrior. and the local authorities and we ourselves are slowing down everything.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 20: 39 New
          -5
          Now, we don’t want to look at ourselves from the side.
      4. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 17: 42 New
        -1
        I read like that officials under the kings and the USSR, and now very learned how to slow down all work.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 20: 38 New
          0
          Quote: perm23
          I read like that officials under the kings and the USSR, and now very learned how to slow down all work.


          So this is the whole point of bureaucracy; they are the same at all times.
      5. rruvim
        rruvim 25 June 2020 23: 02 New
        +3
        Сейчас Бригадир новую речь к нации готовит... Уж лучше, каждое утро, на первом канале вёл передачу - "С добрым утром Россия!". Что-бы потом от постановлений налоговой не так тошнило...
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 26 June 2020 12: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: rruvim
          Сейчас Бригадир новую речь к нации готовит... Уж лучше, каждое утро, на первом канале вёл передачу - "С добрым утром Россия!".


          I imagined what it might look like ...



          ЗЫ. Заменить "Вьетнам" на "Россия" и "Хо Ши Мин" на "коронавирус" - и можно в эфир. wassat laughing
    2. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 17: 40 New
      -10
      The leader is the one they are listening to.

      The leader is the one who is ahead.
      ---
      "Слушают" - в смысле выполняют то что им говорят. Тогда тот кого слушают это управляющий.
      Он сказал - другие выполнили. Т.е, "команда - действие" есть управление.
    3. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 19: 39 New
      -1
      the division commander himself does not run into the attack, he directs and gives the order.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 25 June 2020 21: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: perm23
        the division commander himself does not run into the attack, he directs and gives the order.


        Кто руководил хоть маленьким коллективом, подразделением, командой - тот знает, что самое трудное - это контроль своих подчинённых. Даже если вдруг допустить патриотизм Первого, то эффективность "руководства" с очень слабым КПД. На миллиарды на оборону, образование, медицину приходится локальный "выхлоп" в виде концептов в технике, "Сириусов" и медицинских "заповедников". Проблема Путина-управленца, что миллиарды ФЦП не меняют жизнь миллионов людей.
        1. perm23
          perm23 26 June 2020 07: 15 New
          -1
          Duck gave us the population the right to choose those who will work below. so questions then to ngam. our choice and our control ..
  • Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 25 June 2020 16: 01 New
    -5
    How short human memory is ... "He brought the country to a pen, ruined industry, medicine, schools, and transport. The plants are closed, the coronavirus is again "... I think such conversations are not news for you either. Only one thing is striking: I spoke with people of "40 and even 50 plus." Those who need to remember!

    If a person persuades something for a long time and hard, sooner or later he himself will believe it. The policy of forming public opinion is so popular in the West.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 June 2020 16: 42 New
      -7
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      The policy of forming public opinion is so popular in the West.

      Иначе называется "зомбирование", или НЛП. Если не заткнуть псевдо-либеральные СМИ, то Россию ждет судьба Окраины.
      1. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 17: 42 New
        0
        Иначе называется "зомбирование", или НЛП.
        Absolutely.
      2. AnderS
        AnderS 25 June 2020 19: 54 New
        +7
        If you do not shut up the pseudo-liberal media, then Russia will face the fate of the Outskirts.

        Are you serious? In RI, how serious censorship was, and to shoot a demonstration (Bloody Sunday) or a strike (Lenski shooting) it was like two fingers, but one hell didn’t save her ... There is no way to stop it. The absence of a positive selection for power in politics is the path to degeneration. All this is perfectly visible both on the example of the Ottoman Empire, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire and the example of the USSR. If the government does not feel competition, then it loses its grip, begins to make mistakes and generally ceases to work for the benefit of the people, but works only for its own benefit.
        1. Heathen
          Heathen 26 June 2020 11: 38 New
          -3
          This is a double edged sword. If there is too much competition, then everything comes down to one undercover intrigue.
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  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 25 June 2020 16: 04 New
    11
    Putin is looking for a successor!
    The Middle Ages is back.
    It was in 2040, the President of Russia in his New Year’s speech recognized a difficult time: unemployment, a drop in GDP, impoverishment of the population, the abolition of pensions, a dollar of 15000 rubles, but noted the positive aspects
    remember the 90s.
    1. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 17: 48 New
      -17
      It was in 2040, the President of Russia in his New Year’s speech recognized not an easy time
      Notice, 2040 ... once the president of Russia in his speech (it means Russia has survived). bully
      Although in 2018, the USA allocated 80 billion rubles to the collapse of Russia.
      ---
      But interestingly by 2040 the United States will still exist?
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 25 June 2020 19: 37 New
        +2
        2040 year. Former state A .... and, somewhere, a dog doomedly howled. It was getting dark ...
      2. AnderS
        AnderS 25 June 2020 19: 56 New
        +4
        Notice, 2040 ... once the president of Russia in his speech (it means Russia has survived). bully

        Yeah, just not indicated in what boundaries. It may well be that this is Russia within the borders of, say, 1612 ...
        1. flicker
          flicker 25 June 2020 22: 21 New
          -7
          Yeah, just not indicated in what boundaries. It may well be that this is Russia within the borders of, say, 1612 ..
          Russia has such an option - Russia can exist within its current borders, or it won’t exist.
      3. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 37 New
        -3
        Good question, now our Navalny will carry their heads.
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 25 June 2020 16: 05 New
    13
    In order not to change anything so that there is stability, Putin needs to be cloned. Imagine, President Putin, all the ministers of Putin, the deputies are also Putin, the heads of the regions of Putin, the municipalities are again Putin. In a word, all the officials in the country are Putin!
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 25 June 2020 16: 07 New
      25
      In a word, all the officials in the country are Putin!
      Not a ride, you need at least one extreme, can you imagine that Putin would be extreme?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 June 2020 16: 14 New
        19
        at least one extreme
        clone Medvedev.
        1. Threaded screw
          Threaded screw 25 June 2020 16: 17 New
          15
          clone Medvedev.
          This taxidermy will cost)
      2. Junior Warrant Officer
        Junior Warrant Officer 25 June 2020 16: 26 New
        26
        Quote: Threaded Screw
        In a word, all the officials in the country are Putin!
        Not a ride, you need at least one extreme, can you imagine that Putin would be extreme?

        Do not change the list of extremes and fix it in the constitution!
        - Obama-4mo
        - Children of Bulk
        - Xokly-ko3ly
        - fifth column
        - Liberals
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 June 2020 18: 10 New
          -1
          [Quote
          - Liberals [/ quote]
          Liberasty, sir! So more generally accepted!
      3. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 25 June 2020 18: 09 New
        +4
        The extreme people are appointed!?
    2. Snarkxnumx
      Snarkxnumx 25 June 2020 16: 12 New
      +4
      And the country will become Putinostan ....
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 25 June 2020 16: 14 New
        10
        And the country will become Putinostan ....
        With the capital in Putengrad.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 25 June 2020 23: 14 New
          +4
          They will return the mosaic with Putin back to the Temple of the Armed Forces, and they will make a copy in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 25 June 2020 16: 54 New
      22
      Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
      In a word, all the officials in the country are Putin!

      And everyone asks to be treated with understanding.
  • Evdokim
    Evdokim 25 June 2020 16: 08 New
    +6
    I agree with you in everything.
    A leader must be changed only to a leader.

    hi
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 10 New
    -14
    I agree with the author. The memory of the crowd is 14 days. And in the cemetery there are many monuments of fraternists and drug addicts from the 90s.
  • alone
    alone 25 June 2020 16: 12 New
    28
    The receiver should choose the people from dozens of candidates. The nominee of the departing does not change anything .. I am 200% sure that there are people who can lead the country ..
    As for the author’s words that the GDP will leave, I’m not sure about it .. Such people don’t leave themselves voluntarily .. There are a lot of examples
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 June 2020 16: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: lonely
      There are tons of examples.

      The handsome man was Mobutu, he also built palaces. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 31 New
        -5
        Do you live in Zaire - Congo?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 June 2020 20: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          Do you live in Zaire - Congo?

          laughing after all, I’m finding myself in the Central Federal District, but analogies with the Republic of Congo and its former leader are very strongly traced here in our country. Love of luxury and power, excessive consumption, disregard for their own people.
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 18 New
            -7
            Something somehow does not fit, but in the USA or in Europe, or in China, how do they relate to their people?
    2. domokl
      25 June 2020 16: 37 New
      -12
      Quote: lonely
      There are tons of examples.

      Just like the care examples ...
      Quote: lonely
      The receiver must choose the people from dozens of candidates

      And who should offer these candidates? Political parties, movements and power, including. Now the question is, do we have really serious and trained management specialists in political parties or not. Opposition slid to the level of critics. It’s simpler and easier to score.
      I don’t see in any party a really serious plan for the country's development for at least 10 years. More and more floodlights
      1. alone
        alone 25 June 2020 17: 10 New
        16
        Quote: domokl
        I don’t see in any party a really serious plan for the country's development for at least 10 years. More and more floodlights

        And who is to blame for this Alexander? The management system itself is to blame for this .. Powerful sane political competitors are unprofitable. Here and sit for 20-30 years
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 June 2020 17: 18 New
        -6
        I will say more, the opposition is political freaks. Next to the president should be another statesman. I already wrote above.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 20: 35 New
          +4
          Or maybe all power at all levels should be statists?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 26 June 2020 08: 59 New
            +2
            Absolutely. Statisticians and business executives. But just not assigned to feeding.
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 June 2020 12: 24 New
              0
              These are all our words, but how to achieve this ...
      3. MBRSS
        MBRSS 25 June 2020 18: 12 New
        +6
        Duc, then she and the opposition to criticize, and not clap her hands. Almost the entire opposition is for a really progressive personal income tax, limitation of salaries and bonuses to top officials, investigation of corruption in the upper echelons of power, nationalization of mining, basic unconditional income. This is already a lot. And the development plan for 10 or 50 years should be adopted by the government.
        why are Putin not accused of having huge capital abroad ... palaces ...

        потому что обвинители сильно рискуют. Известен случай, когда за решетку попали люди, попытавшиеся выяснить, почему "дворец Путина" (резиденция на мысе Идокопас,частная лавочка) охраняется силовиками из госструктур.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 25 June 2020 18: 58 New
          0
          Yes, look, whoever criticizes there ... Sable, Sobchak, Bulls ... And others like them. Clowns, they are all and bid. Show people, look what a circus is. Of course, such an opposition cannot be trusted.
          1. MBRSS
            MBRSS 25 June 2020 19: 15 New
            +4
            210ox, вышеперечисленных "подсвечивают" в СМИ, а вот про другую оппозицию, скажем, выступающую с площадки ютуб-канала Сталинград (быстро набирающего популярность), предпочитают умалчивать. Взять хотя бы их акцию 22-го июня. Как будто ее и не было.
            The Communists also criticize, but somehow cautiously. They are also not spoiled by the central media, to say the least.
      4. WIKI
        WIKI 25 June 2020 18: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: domokl
        Now the question is, do we have really serious and trained management specialists in political parties or not.

        And Putin and Medvedev, at the beginning of his career, did they meet the requirements that you listed? What did they manage? And if led, what are the results of their work? Are there any numbers on this?
      5. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 29 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Now the question is, do we have really serious and trained management specialists in political parties or not. Opposition slid to the level of critics.


        And why do they need responsibility, the main thing is to crawl into the Duma, receive funding and criticize yourself for your health.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 June 2020 17: 00 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      The receiver must choose the people from dozens of candidates.

      Are candidates being nominated, or are they choosing, what is the process?
      1. alone
        alone 25 June 2020 17: 13 New
        +6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And the candidates are appointed,

        If a candidate is appointed, then he is no longer a candidate
    4. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 17: 44 New
      +8
      the people and Gorbachev chose Yeltsin. people and Lena Golubkov believed from MMM.
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 26 New
        +1
        And how many of these can still be, but I would not want to ...
    5. bar
      bar 25 June 2020 18: 10 New
      +7
      The receiver must choose the people from dozens of candidates.

      По принципу "тысячи мух не ошибаются"?
      Unfortunately, the people are wonderful on populism and beautiful promises.
    6. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 19: 12 New
      -4
      I am 200% sure that there are people who can lead the country ..
      good Your transcendental confidence (especially on the issue of leadership in the country) says a lot.
      ---
      А что значит "руководить страной"?
      He issued a decree and it was carried out? laughing
      1. alone
        alone 25 June 2020 19: 30 New
        +8
        Quote: flicker
        I am 200% sure that there are people who can lead the country ..
        Your transcendental confidence (especially on the issue of leadership in the country) says a lot.

        I’m sure, because it’s impossible that out of 146 million there isn’t one person who can become the head of the country .. This is nonsense ..
        Quote: flicker
        А что значит "руководить страной"?
        He issued a decree and it was carried out?

        You know, there are a lot of officials who hold third-level posts, but they are the ones who bear the brunt of the management ... Do you think the First dictates all the decrees himself?

        People live and die ... Everything ... And if suddenly tomorrow he will not be, then everything? No.
        1. flicker
          flicker 25 June 2020 22: 34 New
          -4
          You know, there are a lot of officials who hold third-level posts, but they are the ones who bear the brunt of the management ... Do you think the First dictates all the decrees himself?

          "Основная тяжесть управления" - а в чем "тяжесть управления"?
          Do you think the first one dictates all the decrees himself?
          Судя по этому вопросу, вы видите "тяжесть управление" в издании указа. good
          ---
          А потому еще раз: в чем "тяжесть управления"?
          Let me tell you, management: team - action.
          В чем "тяжесть управления"?
          1. alone
            alone 26 June 2020 00: 20 New
            0
            Quote: flicker
            Management

            Do you think it’s easy to manage with a country like Russia? Well, if it’s easy and simple for you, why are you not a candidate for post No. 1? bully
            1. flicker
              flicker 26 June 2020 14: 33 New
              -1
              Do you think managing with a country like Russia is easy?
              laughing You are well done!
              Я считаю, что управлять страной крайне сложно, т.е я согласен с вами, что "управлять тяжело".
              But you see this severity (judging by what you write) in the publication of decrees.
              Which means that you don’t understand this at all, from the word at all.
              Не разбираетесь, зато "уверены" bully
    7. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 20: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: lonely

      As for the author’s words that the GDP will leave, I’m not sure about it .. Such people don’t leave themselves voluntarily .. There are a lot of examples


      And you give examples ...
      1. alone
        alone 25 June 2020 22: 17 New
        +7
        The entire Politburo of the USSR. That was 40 years ago .. all were old sick people. They could not move but stubbornly sat in their posts. .
        Amin, Mugabe, who was under 100 years old. What is the effect of a 100 year old man?
        Power must change. Any .. sat 2 terms, goodbye to the throne. From excessive power one clouding of the brain
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 June 2020 12: 22 New
          0
          We live in Russia, and not in the USSR and especially not in Zimbabwe ...
        2. Heathen
          Heathen 26 June 2020 13: 05 New
          0
          From excessive power one clouding mosaic

          Yeah, and from the towers 5g - coronavirus))))
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  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 June 2020 16: 16 New
    26
    It is possible / not possible, but as they say, it will be so.
    He said - Medvedev will be President, and as they did not hate him, he became.
    He said - EDR was in power, and no matter how everyone voted against it, PZHV grabbed up to 99,9% of the vote.
    He said - to conduct PR, raise taxes - and increased.
    The owner of the word, said - do not change / change the Consumption to life - and changed.

    And a leader, not a leader .... any lifelong African president comes and becomes a leader.

    И куда ни глянь - везде "хитрый план Путина". Навальные, Сердюковы, Песковы, Собчаки, Рогозины, Миллеры, Чубайсы, Глефы да Леонтьевы....
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 25 New
      14
      any lifelong African president comes and becomes a leader.

      Very accurate observation .. we have fewer differences from Africa .. but in something positive they are even ahead of us .. this is actually an indicator of 20 years of management ..
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 39 New
        -13
        Why did they come to Moscow? They were ahead, you know ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 49 New
          13
          Why did they come to Moscow? They were ahead, you know ...

          They took over the experience of how to govern a country for life ..
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 52 New
            -16
            No, no ... Tired of the liberal colonial Anglo-Saxon model. They adopted the experience of liberation from the Anglo-Saxons and Europeans.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Tank jacket
              No, no ... Tired of the liberal colonial Anglo-Saxon model. They adopted the experience of liberation from the Anglo-Saxons and Europeans.

              Тогда бы в Китай приехали..ибо Африка уже под китайским "крылом" ..
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 57 New
                -12
                Sewed on soap ... China is also part of the liberal economic model ...
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 June 2020 17: 00 New
                  18
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Sewed on soap ... China is also part of the liberal economic model ...

                  In your opinion, only Russia resists the liberal economic model .. laughing Yes, we have liberals at all important posts .. and their children all study abroad .. wake up already .. Russia is a colony led by Gauleiters .. and everything else is a circus that can only be trusted in a person who does not have the ability to elementary analysis. .
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 17: 02 New
                    -17
                    Hungary is also resisting, the Trump team. Comrade C
        2. Harry cuper
          Harry cuper 25 June 2020 18: 24 New
          +2
          They beg for money, too, to me, the secret of the Opener. And I must say, they did it.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 June 2020 17: 04 New
        -4
        Quote: Svarog
        Very accurate observation .. we have less and less differences from African countries.

        Хорошо хоть от "демократической" Европы есть отличие.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 June 2020 17: 05 New
          +8
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Svarog
          Very accurate observation .. we have less and less differences from African countries.

          Хорошо хоть от "демократической" Европы есть отличие.

          Yes, only differences with a minus sign ..
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 20: 06 New
            -7
            The downside is, there is no LGBD flag?
      3. codetalker
        codetalker 25 June 2020 18: 28 New
        +1
        What are they ahead of the positive?
    2. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 19: 39 New
      -4
      And a leader, not a leader .... any lifelong African president comes and becomes a leader.
      He becomes a ruler, not a leader.
      The leader goes first, paves the way, overcomes obstacles, everyone equals him, they follow him.
      For this, all the cones that get in the way go to the leader.
      The ruler rules: ordered - executed, not executed - executed.
      ---
      Leader and ruler (one might say management style) define different relations in society.
      The leader forms it through his own example (i.e., voluntarily), as a rule, such a style has its advantages (if you voluntarily accepted these relations, then you follow them forever)
      and shortcomings (many formally follow, essentially sabotage these relationships)
      ----
      The ruler through the requirements (i.e., rigidly) also has positive sides (the requirement must be fulfilled otherwise the punishment is the attitude of fear of punishment)
      and negative (no one will accept a voluntary relationship of fear - and therefore, everyone is waiting for the case when the prtvk stumbles).
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 June 2020 16: 19 New
    +6
    Interestingly, there is nothing to do with everywhere now. There was no quarantine, the people themselves simply wanted to sit at home. Now there is no referendum, just people go to poke. At what no prohibitions work. If a referendum, then campaigning is prohibited. The people themselves go to poke. Staver writes the article himself. Although he got excited with the 90s, Even those who rarely use gray matter think about it.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 20: 05 New
      -3
      You read your post, do not rush on the clave in such a way, the meaning is not at all clear.
  • prior
    prior 25 June 2020 16: 23 New
    21
    Наш президент - "галерный раб", он сам себя так обозначил.
    Just wanted to know - whose slave is he? So to say, who works for?
    And further. And where did the brothers from the 90s evaporate?
    But aren't they now in government offices, thoughts and offices?
    1. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 19: 42 New
      -5
      Just wanted to know - whose slave is he? So to say, who works for?

      To the country, to us.
      Are you not opposed to Russia being?
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 20: 04 New
      -5
      And if you think about it, you haven’t tried ...
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 16: 36 New
    -15
    Quote: svp33
    Absolutely lysoblyudskoy article. There is nothing to discuss here.

    Well, pass by ... Do not discuss ... bully
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 25 June 2020 17: 03 New
      +3
      Such a manner ... go to the person or insult the author.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 17: 16 New
        -14
        Piglets are such piglets ... laughing
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 25 June 2020 17: 18 New
          +6
          And here are not the pigs, but the users.
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 20: 03 New
      +1
      He can’t work for every post apparently dripping ...
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 20: 13 New
        -7
        Виктор, привет, у него работа, а у меня чувство долга...Вспоминая мою мать и отца , как они в "святые девяностые " корячились меня поднимали, моего тренера по боксу, тренера по таэквондо,тренера по рукопашке, учителей в школе и в математической школе, участкового врача и участкового, преподавателей в институте и на военной кафедре, друзей и однокашников...Я чувствую, что должен им всем за то, что я такой...
        And even that trucker who saved me on the Kurgan highway from frostbite in 2003, I also remember ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 21: 12 New
          +1
          Well, the author said that memory forgets the bad, but sometimes it does not happen, I understand you Ruslan. Good time! hi
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 25 June 2020 21: 15 New
            +1
            I also try not to remember the hunger of the 90s, my mother said go to sleep and the feeling of hunger will pass ... Good time to you too hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 25 June 2020 21: 20 New
              +1
              At that time, of course, I didn’t need it so much, but my son still asks where you disappeared at night ...
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 25 June 2020 21: 24 New
                +1
                Father and mother worked at UVZ in Nizhny Tagil. Wagon I lived in Altai ...
                1. cniza
                  cniza 25 June 2020 21: 46 New
                  +3
                  The main thing is that we survived this ...
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 25 June 2020 21: 50 New
                    -1
                    And became stronger and smarter laughing
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 25 June 2020 21: 55 New
                      +1
                      Moreover, we don’t hide much of our names ...
                      1. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 25 June 2020 22: 01 New
                        +1
                        Victor is the winner ... How many victories ...
                        Ruslan-Lev ... Martial arts my life ...
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Nizhny Tagil. Wagon I lived in Altai ...

                  And with whom will you ask for the 90s? Maybe with the Gene-Herat?
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 26 June 2020 04: 28 New
                    0
                    There were many gnomes ... Many are already sitting. Kokorin, Caro.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      Many are already sitting. Kokorin, Caro.

                      And this one, thug, forgot how he, that he fought with Gena, also roamed like?
                      1. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 26 June 2020 08: 06 New
                        0
                        Там много, кто окочурился...."Фортуна" Шатов?
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 09: 06 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        ."Фортуна" Шатов?

                        Oh, I don’t remember. I need to ask bro. I visited Tagil on short visits.
                      3. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 28 June 2020 22: 15 New
                        0
                        And what if Abdulov is removed? Where will Gena go? Will yesterday's bread stop interfering in a new one? There is impossible Tagilhleb ... Almost a blockade recipe! negative
                      4. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 28 June 2020 22: 25 New
                        0
                        Imagine how someone on 12 + 1 sits in T + silt ... wassat
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 June 2020 16: 38 New
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    "Лидера можно менять только на лидера"
    Petty frivolity counted! So what was Putin leader in 1999?
    "«Путин довел страну до ручки и должен уйти»"
    Exactly - golden words!
    1. Minus 8 million people.
    2. It has become half the number of hospitals.
    3.School has become 40% less, students by 21%. Instead of 68100 schools in 2000, it became 41349 in 2018/19.
    4. The ruble depreciated by 129%. From $ 28,1 in 2000 to 64,5 in 2019
    5. Gasoline went up by 483%. From 7.2 rubles in 2000 to 42 rubles in 2019
    6. The number of $ billionaires has grown by almost 14 times. From 8 to 2000 until 110 in 2019
    7. The number of officials has almost doubled. From 485566 in 1999 to 855000 in 2019
    Etc. And why is Putin compared with EBN and the 90s? But because there is no one else to compare !!!
    "Страна скоро сможет увидеть нового лидера"
    Every year, Putin is asked over 2 million questions on everyday topics via video! And which governor can be a leader?
    In such a situation they can vote for anyone - if only not for Putin! Even for Navalny ?! Therefore, criminal cases are already being opened against all known oppositionists: Navalny, Grudinin, Platoshkin. That there were no surprises in the elections.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 June 2020 16: 52 New
      13
      Quote: steel maker
      Therefore, criminal cases are already being opened against all known oppositionists: Navalny, Grudinin, Platoshkin. That there were no surprises in the elections.

      I support, this is a serious approach based on the analysis of the board .. But you can’t trample against the numbers, unless of course a person is sane. All indicators indicate that the slave is not effective, and his oars are dry ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 20: 03 New
        -12
        Well, all the prowlers continue to whine. Do you sometimes look around, talk to people, and then write your stamps.
    2. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 18: 06 New
      -9
      so how many old schools were closed which were just worthless like hospitals. and so on throughout your list. it’s better to throw away the old TV and buy a new one. and I compare, for example, because I experienced a mess and the horror of the 90s when they didn’t pay wages for several months. when my friend a fleet officer roared when his ship was cut into metal and sold. when you had to go to the hospital with all your
      1. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 22: 48 New
        -1
        so how many old schools have closed
        Now many schools are studying in one shift. And all because there are fewer children. In the provinces, schools are closed altogether (not even because they are old), but because there are no schoolchildren.
    3. WIKI
      WIKI 25 June 2020 18: 48 New
      0
      Quote: steel maker
      7. The number of officials has almost doubled. From 485566 in 1999 to 855000 in 2019

      Небольшая неточность. " Число чиновников за первые 5 лет существования РСФСР подскочило до 5,2, а к смерти Сталина - до 10,2. За годы перестройки и начала рыночных реформ (1985-1994 гг.) оно упало с 8,7 до 6,8, а с 2000 по 2014 г. вновь подскочило с 7,9 до 15,4 человека на 1000 жителей. К концу 2016 г. в России насчитывалось 1,4 млн только государственных чиновников ". https://aif.ru/politics/russia/armiya_stolonachalnikov_zachem_rossii_stolko_chinovnikov
      1. perm23
        perm23 26 June 2020 07: 12 New
        +3
        The inaccuracy is also that under the USSR they were not considered officials. all sorts of party organizers. the comsorgs who were at every enterprise and were freed. as the city committees did not consider. regional party committees
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 26 June 2020 11: 08 New
          0
          You all gathered together. Tell me, from what sources zpl paid for regional and party committees.? In 2018, according to the CEC documents, the United Russia party received the most from the budget for its needs - 7,2 billion rubles.
          1. perm23
            perm23 26 June 2020 15: 45 New
            0
            and where does the year 2018 and the USSR .. I wrote about the USSR about that time. and now the parties are getting from the budget according to the places accumulated.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 27 June 2020 00: 47 New
              0
              Can you clarify the information that the CPSU was financed from the budget?
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 June 2020 20: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: steel maker
      "«Путин довел страну до ручки и должен уйти»"
      Exactly - golden words!

      The worst thing is that we do not know the true situation and evil tongues claim that everything is much worse than we see on the surface and everyone will be horrified by what they have done for 20 years.
      In addition to all the stolen, plundered, destroyed, sold out, there are still these same 20 years of development, taken from the country and each individual citizen.
    5. rruvim
      rruvim 25 June 2020 23: 21 New
      +5
      Спросили "гадкие журналюги" руководство Газпрома по поводу ОГРОМНЫХ проблем по реализации "Силы Сибири". Ответ: "всё хорошо прекрасная маркиза...". А там, если, что китайцы отсудят 1.3 трлн. рублей. Больше, чем так называемая помощь малому и среднему бизнесу, озвученная Бригадиром.
    6. savage1976
      savage1976 26 June 2020 03: 13 New
      0
      I already asked a question, but all your supporters threw cons and modestly said nothing, maybe you have the courage to answer. Why did the number of hospitals grow in the USSR and the LSS decreased, and why in modern Russia the number of hospitals decreases and the LIV increases?


      Why, while reducing the number of schools, do Russian schoolchildren win prizes at international olympiads? Education should deteriorate.
      https://xn--b1aecn3adibka9mra.xn--p1ai/blog/43581697752/Rossiyskie-shkolniki-zanyali-pervoe-mesto-v-obschekomandnom-zach?nr=1 2014 год,
      http://ru-good.ru/page/rossijskie-shkolniki-zanjali-pervoe-mesto-na-mezhdunarodnoj-olimpiade-po-informatike 2015 год,
      https://news.myseldon.com/ru/news/index/210328388 2019 год,
      https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2018 2018 год?

      Maybe all the same, it’s not just the number of schools and hospitals?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: savage1976
        I already asked a question, but all your supporters threw cons and modestly said nothing, maybe you have the courage to answer.

        I will answer. Easy. Skates threw back all who fought. Take my grandfathers as an example. One had a bullet in his chest, the other a splinter. Long live with such gifts?
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 26 June 2020 04: 29 New
          +1
          There is such, I agree, but this can explain the reasons for the decline in the life expectancy in the USSR, but it does not explain the growth now and the victory of schoolchildren. And if it’s no secret, at what age did your grandfathers leave?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: savage1976
            And if it’s no secret, at what age did your grandfathers leave?

            For his father - a little over 60, for his mother - a little to seventy did not reach. I remember the armless neighbor, also a shrapnel shattered, died about 55 years old.
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 26 June 2020 05: 11 New
              0
              The kingdom to them is heaven. And even with wounds, they fit completely into the statistics on life expectancy and in no way does the injury explain the decline in life expectancy in the USSR. The reasons are completely different and they are the same as a strong decline in fertility, for example.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 09: 03 New
                +3
                I remember how in the early 80s, war veterans who looked quite young to themselves went into the other world. And you start asking their relatives, and it turned out that almost all of them were wounded, shell-shocked. After the war, it was full of legless ones, for example, but in the 80s there were already very few of them. All these injuries are not in vain.
                1. savage1976
                  savage1976 26 June 2020 09: 17 New
                  +1
                  I heard you, I agree with you, war, injuries are one of the reasons for the decline in the number of patients living with them, but the construction of hospitals should smooth out this reason, the decrease in the number of hospitals should reduce the number of people living with them, but this does not happen, the opposite picture is emerging. So this reason is not in the number of hospitals, beds, but in another. The number of hospitals is growing from the 50s, while the number of hospitals and the number of births is decreasing. Conversely, the number of hospitals is decreasing, the number of births is increasing, and the number of births is also decreasing. It somehow goes wrong.
                2. savage1976
                  savage1976 26 June 2020 11: 32 New
                  +1
                  By the way, in Germany (Germany, it is necessary to inquire about the GDR.) There were also many wounded and crippled, but the situation with the life expectancy is completely different.
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 25 June 2020 16: 39 New
    20
    The author did not write about pension reform.
    Probably forgot ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 25 June 2020 17: 26 New
      14
      Он о многом, чего не написал.... "Сабж"-"навсегда"(читай разросшийся кооператив "Озеро" и его гб-шные крышеватели-в оригинале все это называется: "патриотично настроенные чиновники, предприниматели, силовики"), ибо других нет... ну нет и- все....Ага. yes
    2. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 18: 14 New
      -19
      The author did not write about pension reform. Probably forgot ...
      Yes, and you also forgot a lot about that:

      "МЕТОДИЧКА НЫТИКА-неполживого либерала

      1. If foreigners build a plant at home - "Well, they could have built in Russia."
      2. If foreigners are building a plant in Russia - "Now, if ours were built in Germany."
      3. If ours are building a plant in Germany - "Well, they don’t build it at home."
      4. If ours are building a plant at home - "All the same, this is a bourgeois plant, profits will go to the bourgeois."
      5 Foreign policy:
      6. Russia does not interfere in the affairs of Syria / Libya / Venezuela - “Russia has leaked”.
      7. Russia intervenes in the affairs of Syria / Libya / Venezuela - "This is aggression and imperialism."
      Reaction to international provocations:
      8. Russia responds softly - "Snot chew."
      9. Russia responds firmly - "The militarists are damn!".
      10. Russia ignores - “Snot chew, militarists are damn!”.
      Interaction with "civil society".
      11. The West is investing in grants - "Soft power, we could learn."
      12. Russia is investing in grants - "Cut, waste taxpayer money."
      Trade in resources.
      13. The West threatens to oust Russia from the gas market in Europe - "Putin is a wimp, nothing can be done."
      14. Russia is ousting from the European gas market the United States - "Country gas station."
      Chronicles of decline.
      15. Ford closes a plant in Russia - "The poor Russians have no money for cars."
      16. Ford closes plants in Europe / USA - diligently pretend that nothing is happening.
      17. Ford declares itself bankrupt (this is already possible in the near future) - “In the post-industrial economy, nobody needs this outdated primitive industry.”
      Finance.
      18. Russia sterilizes surplus dollar weight in securities to avoid the Dutch disease - “Russia pays the colonial tribute to the USA”.
      19. Russia is getting rid of treasure - “We have not yet figured out why, but it's still bad.”
      Domestic elections.
      20. The representative of "United Russia" wins - "The elections are falsified!"
      21. The representative of any other party wins - “Aha! The people became disillusioned with the authorities! ”
      Opposition.
      22. Do not plant bulk - “Why do not this traitor plant?!”.
      23. Bulk will be imprisoned - "The regime arranges political repression!".
      24. Navalny will flee abroad - “Where is the FSB looking ?!”.
      The fight against corruption.
      25. Corruptionists are not imprisoned - “ПЖиВ! They stole everything! ”
      26. Corruptionists are planted - “This is a redistribution of property, not shared.”
      27. Corruptionists are actively imprisoned, despite their political affiliation - “This is political repression, 1937!”
      Taxes.
      28. Create preferential conditions for business - “You need to introduce a progressive tax!”.
      29. Introduce new taxes for business - "Putin strangles entrepreneurs!".
      Well, a set of common phrases suitable for all occasions.
      30. It would be better if they handed out to pensioners.
      31. Putin has passed the point of no return.
      32. The Kremlin is in a panic.
      33. The mode received a black mark.
      34. Hey, damned guards!
      35. In Russia, fascism! SUGS!
      36. You are outside the Moscow Ring Road!
      37. The system is moving toward an inevitable collapse.
      38. Klassenkampf uber alles! Klasov’s fight!
      39. The Kuril Islands are given, Siberia was sold to the Chinese, they drank Baikal, they cut down the taiga.
      40. Putin has cornered himself.
      (А. Роджерс)"[quote][/quote]
      1. U-58
        U-58 25 June 2020 19: 13 New
        +8
        You, sir, distort. But I am not surprised by this.
        А удивлен я тем, что ВО как- то "поправел" в последние 2-3 месяца .
        Пусть это паранойя, но каэтца мне, что сюда брошен довольно мощный прокремлёвский десант, дабы влиять на мнение публики в "нужную" сторону
      2. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 19: 59 New
        -11
        How all of them are wrong, though they don’t like it, they need to receive grants ...
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 June 2020 20: 26 New
          +9
          Quote: cniza
          How all of them are wrong, though they don’t like it, they need to receive grants ...

          On voting advertisement The AP has allocated grants to the TV channels for 3 billion rubles of national money from the budget! hi
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 15 New
            -7
            I don’t know, maybe because you are buying advertising or do you have your own head? Tell me, what money is not M.F. highlights?
      3. rruvim
        rruvim 26 June 2020 00: 08 New
        +9
        Answer to the Liberal Putin from the National Patriot (point by point):
        1. Let them build;
        2. Do not build;
        3. "Ну вот, у себя не строят";
        4. Delirium;
        6. Delirium;
        7. "Это империализм (ничего плохого)";
        8. Люди из МИД всегда отвечают мягко "сопли жуют";
        9. Russia never answers harshly;
        10. Люди из МИДа на "шашлыках";
        11. All grants from the West fall into the loyal authorities of NPOs;
        12. Cut - definitely !;
        13. The usual competition, but Putin is a weakling;
        14. Russia has nothing to do with it, one private company Gazprom is trying to oust several private companies from the USA with WASP-capital;
        15. Russians really have no money for new cars;
        16. Henry Ford was an anti-Semite;
        17. See item 16;
        18. The liberals would never recognize this item, but I recognize;
        19. For specialists;
        20. Exactly!
        21. The votes were counted honestly;
        22. Question to putinoids ...;
        23. Конечно "политические", дело "Кировлеса" уже доканало своим безумием;
        24. The FSB leadership will run away earlier;
        25. BC;
        26. Exactly so, and what is shy ... Redistribution, it is a redistribution. And not only property, but also flows of bribes and influence. I think someone even replaced Colonel Zakharchenko. The system, however ...
        27. These are Putin's words, but he is also a liberal;
        28. It is necessary to introduce a progressive personal income tax !!!
        29. He himself does not choke us, but the tax one is for sure! VAT from 18 to 20 is not enough;
        30. It would be better to give penduli to commercial banks for overpriced loans;
        31. Putin has long passed the point of no return when he began to wear Sobchak’s personal belongings;
        32. In the Kremlin, tile is laid;
        33. Режим получил "маску";
        34. A soldier broke glass at a foreign car FSO;
        35. In Russia, liberalism! SUGS !;
        36. Really! Try to get out ...;
        37. I absolutely agree;
        38. Ὀρθοδοξία ἢ θάνατος!
        39. Курилы не отдадим, Сибирь китайцам не отдадим, Байкал сами выпьем, тайгу если надо перед китайцами "засеками" положим. Но не к Курилам, ни к Байкалу, ни к Тайге путиноидов и чиновников из ЕР не допустим!
        40. The corner drove Putin into himself.
        1. flicker
          flicker 26 June 2020 01: 38 New
          -8
          Как "Национал- патриоту" вам это должно понравится bully

          Large plants built under Putin from scratch:

          Volgorechensk pipe plant

          Factory "Danone Industry", Chekhov district of Moscow region

          Khakass Aluminum Plant

          Purovsky gas condensate processing plant

          Pipe-electric welding workshop “Height 239” of the Chelyabinsk pipe rolling plant

          Cement Plant "TulaCement"

          Cement Plant "Shchurovsky Cement"

          32 Iron Ozone Steelmaking Complex at the Pervouralsk New Pipe Plant

          Akashevskaya Poultry Farm, Mari El Republic

          "Bryansk broiler" - a project for the production of poultry meat in the Bryansk region

          Complex for deep processing of oilseeds "Nefis - Bioproduct", Tatarstan

          Borschevsky cement plant in the Ferzikovsky district of the Kaluga region

          Asia-Cement Cement Plant in the village of Ust-Inza, Nikolsky District, Penza Region

          Cement plant "Voronezh branch" Eurocement group "

          Serebryansky cement plant

          Sengileevsky cement plant

          Brick factory, Nikolskoye village, Kirovsky district, Leningrad region

          Caspian Flat Glass Plant

          Boguchansky timber industry complex

          Woodworking complex "Arkaim"

          Big Bratsk

          Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen

          Associated Petroleum Gas Processing Plant Monolit LLC

          Polyom Polypropylene Plant, Omsk

          Tobolsk Polymer

          Severstal - Varietal Plant Balakovo

          UGMK-Steel Steel Mill, Tyumen

          Foundry and rolling complex of the United Metallurgical Company in the Vyksa district of the Nizhny Novgorod region

          This is not counting the restored Soviet factories. In total, from 2011 to 2014, more than a thousand plants and factories were built.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 26 June 2020 02: 08 New
            +7
            What are you saying !!! A thousand in three years! Just some kind of industrialization! Even the cement factories (3 people. Personnel and two. Conveyor from the bunkers with source) glued. These cement plants for 10 million rubles. in nete, complete. Wholesale and Retail. All electronics are Chinese. And in Silesia for this (2010-15) time 750 enterprises were commissioned, of which high-tech (polymers, CNC machines, electrics for trams, electronic components) - 80% and only 20% manufacture of building and finishing materials. The lending rate to private owners is 0.2% per annum in euros for 10-15 years. And this, some fucking province of Poland.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 26 June 2020 02: 18 New
              +9
              А у нас в Электростали (Московская обл.): Фабрика печати №1 закрылась, ЭЗТМ (Электростальский завод тяжёлого машиностроения) в фазе банкротства, сам завод "Электросталь" на 70% площадей и рабочих скукожился, Завод "ХИМПРОМ" почти был обанкрочен, но спасло резкое производство "масок" и комплектов защиты для медперсонала во время пандемии, но и то временно. Завод "Спецмонтаж" выглядит, как Тракторный в Сталинграде в 43-м. "На плаву" единственный завод - 12-й "Машиностроительный" РОСАТОМА. И всё!!! За 20 лет правления Бригадира запустили один новый цех на "Электростали" и пару линий на "машзаводе", а 80% мощностей закрыли (сократили). Вот и всё развитие...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 03: 31 New
                +8
                В пределах 15 минут ходьбы от дома закрылись 4 предприятия. Зато на месте столовой одного из них открылись "Ритуальные услуги".
              2. flicker
                flicker 26 June 2020 12: 25 New
                -5
                EZTM (Elektrostal Heavy Machine-Building Plant) in the bankruptcy phase

                Good bankruptcy phase laughing
                Новости "ЭЗТМ"
                13 April 2020
                The Elektrostal Heavy Engineering Plant, founded in 1942, is one of the largest heavy industry enterprises in Russia.
                Today, EZTM OJSC is a modern enterprise that independently designs, manufactures and supplies complex equipment for pipe rolling and pipe welding units, pipe finishing and coating equipment, cold pipe rolling mills, medium-grade, low-grade, wire, detail rolling, ball rolling and other special rolling mills, liquid friction bearings, steel rolling rolls for cold and hot rolling mills, spare parts for manufactured equipment.

                I looked at the vacancies: both engineering and workers are required.
                Good bankruptcy phase good
                ---
                We must work and not whine.
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 26 June 2020 12: 52 New
                  +3
                  Рекламу никто не отменял. Просто вы не знаете, чем отличался Советский ЭЗТМ (мой отец был начальником цеха "обрубки") от нынешнего. А то, что требуются ИТР и рабочие на 17 000 в месяц (грязными), они всегда требуются.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 21 New
            +6
            Quote: flicker
            This is not counting the restored Soviet factories.

            What? Tomorrow I’ll go past the destroyed concrete goods plant and take a picture.
            1. flicker
              flicker 26 June 2020 12: 33 New
              -1
              Tomorrow I’ll go past the destroyed concrete goods plant and take a picture.

              Ага, а за одно и компанию "Бетондеталь" bully
              The Betondetal LLC company carries out wholesale and retail sales of reinforced concrete products in the city of Saransk. Today, the company occupies a leading position in the market of suppliers of building materials in Russia. The production of concrete products, wall blocks and bricks by Betondetal LLC began in 2009. The geography of supplies of Betondetal LLC covers a huge number of construction projects, for example, such as the largest cities of the Republic of Mordovia: Saransk, Ruzayevka, Kovylkino, Komsomolsky, Zubova Polyana, Krasnoslobodsk, Chamzinka, Ardatov, Torbeevo and other settlements of the republic
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 12: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: flicker
                The geography of supplies of Betondetal LLC covers a huge number of construction projects, for example, such as the largest cities of the Republic of Mordovia: Saransk, Ruzayevka, Kovylkino, Komsomolsky, Zubova Polyana, Krasnoslobodsk, Chamzinka, Ardatov, Torbeevo and other settlements of the republic

                I am from the Tula region, a miracle in feathers.
                1. flicker
                  flicker 26 June 2020 15: 04 New
                  -3
                  I am from the Tula region, a miracle in feathers.

                  Do not worry, the main thing is that the children do not get scared. bully
    3. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 25 June 2020 19: 19 New
      +7
      the author forgot a lot about how he used to write repainted some kind of progress apparently occurred in a person
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 June 2020 20: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: Qwertyarion
      The author did not write about pension reform.
      Probably forgot ...

      And why should he write about this, he is a pensioner.
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  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 25 June 2020 16: 45 New
    10
    Наши кони-руководители сначала бодро скачут вперед,потом начинают притормаживать,а потом по причине старости просто плетутся к финишу.Добровольно(может ЕБН-исключение,если только ему настойчиво не подсказали что пора уходить) практически никто с дистанции не сходит.Чтобы лидер сменил лидера этот лидер должен появится и проявится(если ему дадут возможность,а не остановят вовремя).Может Медведев("денег нет,но вы держитесь") устроит автора?
  • ximkim
    ximkim 25 June 2020 16: 53 New
    -1
    There will be no happiness, so they will not survive to retirement ..
  • ximkim
    ximkim 25 June 2020 17: 06 New
    0
    [/ quote] So, I think, the time is not far when we will see the very young and promising one who will be offered to us as a candidate for the next president of Russia [quote]
    The question is, with what will come and with what ideas such an unknown and unseen leader?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 June 2020 17: 47 New
      13
      Quote: ximkim
      The question is, with what will come and with what ideas such an unknown and unseen leader?

      In 2000, Putin told you, with what does he come to power? Then don’t moan. Read the Platoshkin program (for starters).
      Even now we do not know the programs of either Putin or edrosov. We all strive for a head on the head.
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 25 June 2020 18: 49 New
        -5
        I don’t even know where are the groans of sound in the comments you read ... and I don’t wrap films, at least whom, these programs repeat every year.
      2. flicker
        flicker 26 June 2020 09: 31 New
        -3
        Read the Platoshkin program
        good You do not read in the clouds.
        Which Platoshkin, what program?
        The impression that you really do not understand reality.
        ---
        Every program (not even considering its contents - it can be just stupid) has one small drawback - who will implement it?
        1917 - there was a party of Bolsheviks. And now? bully
  • MBRSS
    MBRSS 25 June 2020 17: 17 New
    19
    And why did the respected Author decide that all of the achievements of the 2000s listed above came about thanks to Putin? Yes, against the backdrop of Yeltsin, Putin wins. But against the backdrop of Pol Pot and Yeltsin, it seems like nothing. Moreover, under Putin, more industrial enterprises fell apart / closed, even than under Yeltsin and Gorbachev combined. And the country got hooked on the trade in raw materials.
    1. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 18: 01 New
      -8
      Dear you are wrong. Putin didn’t close those enterprises, but those who bought them under the BNE and took them into ownership. This is the same thing that you will blame me for selling your car. He has nothing to do with it. if the private trader has sold or bankrupted his company. our factory was bought six times
      1. MBRSS
        MBRSS 25 June 2020 18: 37 New
        +6
        perm23Of course, not personally eliminated. He put the matter in such a way that the state has priority over the export of raw materials and semi-finished products, rather than long-term and capital-intensive production (exceptions may be prom-financial. Groups close to the president). Putin boasted about the development of seaports and the construction of new ones, as an achievement of the current government. It is clear that we export raw materials with low added value, and we import equipment and consumer goods. Basically.
        1. perm23
          perm23 25 June 2020 18: 47 New
          -5
          well, it’s not quite that much at all and we are processing it .. and here it’s not so simple. only where does Putin then. if for example you are not able or do not want to develop your plant it is easier for you to sell the semi-finished product what to do with you. this is your factory. even under the USSR we traded raw materials with might and main and imported consumer goods. and for ports, for example, the Balts lived very well with our cargo transportation and the work of the ports .. It’s not Putin’s fault that we can’t or don’t want to assemble machines or laptops, that it is better and cheaper for Korea or China
      2. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 22: 52 New
        -6
        It's the same thing that you will blame me for selling your car.
        In vain you told them laughing
  • flicker
    flicker 25 June 2020 17: 18 New
    -18
    Ну, все "ВОшняя сотня" anti-Putin moaned
    The country plows, a hundred groans! bully
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 25 June 2020 18: 09 New
      -5
      Quote: flicker
      The country plows, a hundred groans!

      Да тут, за красивыми никами, с красными флагами и гербами СССР, большинство со страны 404 и Прибалтики. Так что, правильней будет, "Страна пашет, сотня скачет!". А многие "радетели России", даже чешут, как под одно лекало, сразу видно, с одной конюшни!Чего стоит (с его же слов) слесарь Mordvin3, with a maximum of 10 years old, and instructs everyone as a professor at HSE.
      1. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 19: 46 New
        -7
        правильней будет, "Страна пашет, сотня скачет!"
        That's right! good
      2. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 19: 56 New
        -3
        Well you noticed ...
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir61
        What is (from his own words) a locksmith Mordvin3, with a maximum of 10 years,

        Akela missed. I generally have 8 classes of education. laughing
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 25 June 2020 18: 27 New
      +3
      Ну, все "ВОшняя сотня" антипутинцев застонала,,
      In, and the main, “hard worker,” noted. What rowing rowing?
    3. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 56 New
      -4
      Quote: flicker
      Ну, все "ВОшняя сотня" anti-Putin moaned
      The country plows, a hundred groans! bully


      And you can’t calm down what I’m talking about, they’re at work.
  • seacap
    seacap 25 June 2020 17: 24 New
    18
    Лет 100 назад вообще в лаптях ходили,может быть с этим сравним. А кто ад для народа 90-х устроил,война,стихия или все-таки наши же люди, они где? Они никуда не исчезли, все они продолжают мягко спать и сладко жрать. Это те же люди(язык с трудом повернулся)которые предавали и уничтожали свою страну,отдавая ее на разграбление,которые "из подворотни" волею судьбы оказались у власти,не имея для этого ни интеллектуальных способностей,ни жизненного опыта руководства,а главное,общечеловеческих соответствующих качеств для этого,одни амбиции да мещанские запросы, что и показало время.За эти годы было уничтожено советское общество,основанное на общих целях,дружбе и взаимопомощи,интернационализме.Создано сословное общество,разделенное пропастью доходов, законами и привилегиями,живущие,по сути,в разных государствах,по разным законам.Одни,дуреющие от бабла и пресытившиеся от роскоши,когда на проявление кича уже не хватает убогой фантазии,а другие,презираемые верхним сословием,которые непосредственно заняты производством и обеспечением богатства страны,еле сводят концы с концами. Причем,былое равнодушие друг к другу между сословиями стремительно перерастает в неприязнь,а сегодня уже в ненависть,что очень настараживает.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 25 June 2020 17: 30 New
      -11
      ",общечеловеческих соответствующих качеств," wassat Which ones? There is a geyropa, here is Africa, here is China ...
      --------
      Tired of universal people and tolerasts ...
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 25 June 2020 18: 29 New
        +3
        Tired of the general people and tolerasts .. ,,
        And Putin complain about them, weak? And for some reason he gives them money (Raikin, Serebryakov).
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 30 New
          -8
          Serebryakov’s time is running short ...
          Latynina was summoned to the UK
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 25 June 2020 18: 32 New
            +7
            Yes, there are many who are worried about it, but not how it is not uprooted. Serdyukov also got stuck, so what?
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 34 New
              -6
              We also have a deep state, like Trump ...
              Kiselev for the monument to Krasnov has not yet been called?
              1. 210ox
                210ox 25 June 2020 18: 45 New
                +7
                We even had a Deep Drilling Office ... But somehow it didn’t help .. Ah! Well yes. There was no order.
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 52 New
                  -7
                  А что про макарошки забыли или про государство не просило вас рожать или про то как, с наводнениями три раза Путин ездил разгребать, как воют роженицы или как врачам деньги не доходят, я придумал или реально "бояре очумели..." А как их потом на прямой линии с президентом чихвостят под хвост...
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox 25 June 2020 19: 05 New
                    +8
                    Are you talking to me? And what about the macaroni and women in labor was not said from the lips of officials? Okay, that's not the point. Maybe we will not cover up with the fig leaf of the Constitution and declare everything! There is no one besides Putin until his death! Stop playing democrats and liberals. Come on autocracy! Olgovich will support.
                    1. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 25 June 2020 19: 15 New
                      -13
                      Why not, I’m sure that the Russian multinational people are very savvy in management and there are people who are comparable in intellect to manage and think globally, even here among the members of the forum I would like to mention Boris55, Flicker, NasRat, Nyrobsky, Lopatov, Terenin, Mountain shooter and many more but put any of them for a year or two, until a person enters there will be a loss in the quality of management ...
                      You need to go through the KGB-FSB school and have a lot to visit in the country, to learn all its features and secrets ...
                      And about the macaroni, so it’s about those boyars that the mattress covers ...
    2. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 18: 30 New
      -8
      Over the years, the Soviet Union was destroyed societybased on common goals, friendship and mutual assistance, internationalism. Estate created societydivided by an abyss of income, laws and privileges, living, in fact, in different

      Вы дважды упомянули ОБЩЕСТВО, первый раз со знаком "+", а второй со знаком "-", со знаками согласен.

      Вопрос кто "общество" в первом случае " уничтожил", а во втором создал?
      How could societybased on common goals, friendship and mutual assistance, internationalism - to destroy?
      What is this force that could destroy such a society?
      The question itself is extremely important, since it implies a certain FORCE capable of destruction on such a scale.
      And this POWER did not disappear anywhere.
      Эта СИЛА (еще раз: а это реально СИЛА!!!), которая впоследствии создала "сословное общество".
      Once again: this POWER - turned out to be stronger than the USSR
      And now the main question:

      How to deal with this FORCE?
      Or otherwise, what power to oppose it and where to get it?
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 June 2020 19: 54 New
        -7
        How to deal with this FORCE?
        Or otherwise, what power to oppose it and where to get it?


        There is something to ponder over and you can’t express it in a nutshell, but you can try - these are our traditional values ​​of a person, family, justice and truth.
      2. savage1976
        savage1976 26 June 2020 03: 29 New
        +3
        And who brought up those who destroyed such a wonderful society? Or are all these Gorbachevs, Shivarnadze,, Yeltsins, Kravchuk, Chubais brought by aliens?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 June 2020 17: 43 New
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    Now let's look at a future candidate whom Putin would ideally replace.

    And what, to remind you, who could replace EBN? Or show you how the GDP went sideways into the cabinet? Do not be afraid, there will be people for whom the increase in their own condition and the condition of their children's friends is not an end in itself. I believe PLATOSHKIN N.N. There are many other literate people, and if you, the author, think that one person can manage a country, then you are deeply mistaken.
    Putin himself is not important, his team is important, which cannot, does not want, does not know how, does not want to bear responsibility, is not able to work as planned, cannot tighten its belts in order to boost the economy ...
    Everything has rotted. No issue in the country can be resolved by law. LAW FOR EVERYONE.
    There will always be people living according to their special status. Under Putin, this status depends on the fullness of the wallet, and professionalism, honesty and selflessness are not in fashion here.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 25 June 2020 17: 51 New
      -14
      Lavrov, Zakharova, Nebenzya are also incompetent?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 June 2020 18: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: Tank jacket
        Lavrov, Zakharova, Nebenzya are also incompetent?

        You would clean your jacket, citizen "boss" ... lol
        Do you know what is the professionalism of this department? Dictate by letter:
        A politician should be able to predict what will happen tomorrow, in a week, in a month, and in a year. And then explain why this did not happen.

        Perhaps the foreign policy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has reached such heights when the original Russian territory is not recognized in the world, and Russia itself is wiped off by some sanctions and restrictions that are not related at all to international law or to any other legal acts.
        Real estate in the US "beaten off"? That's
        not very here - leave the door
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 09 New
          -9
          Those. if the deepest state in the USA (let's call them Clintonoids) went against Trump and arranged a provocation with embassies, then should we be led to a provocation?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 28 June 2020 04: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Tank jacket
            and arranged a provocation with the embassies, then we should be led to a provocation

            If you don’t want to respond to the provocation with the embassies, force them to reconsider the situation with the response of the HMS of the Russian territory:

            Quote: Tank jacket
            By the way, I would like to note the professionalism of Patrushev. How many terrorist attacks were prevented in the last 3 years and in 2020?

            Want to mark - mark. You can even note the professionalism of Arkady Rotenberg. This is how much work "tirelessly" to become a Hero of Capitalist Labor ...
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 25 June 2020 18: 16 New
          -11
          By the way, I would like to note the professionalism of Patrushev. How many terrorist attacks were prevented in the last 3 years and in 2020?
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    2. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 21: 04 New
      -8
      if you, the author, think that one person can rule a country, then you are deeply mistaken.
      And if you think that managing the country is so simple, then you are even more mistaken.
  • Azis
    Azis 25 June 2020 17: 58 New
    10
    governors continue and routine work. Revive the economy regions rebuild cities and villages, create jobs And so on
    Восстанавливают сёла - я посмеялся. Максимум - губернаторы режут ленточки в рамках нац.программы "Привлечение инвесторов", причем не всегда известно - на каких условиях и что регион опять потеряет. И с рабочими местами: новый губернатор - новые рабочие места в администрации губернатора и около, ну, максимум, торгово-развлекательный центр новый отгрохают. Ах, да... еще такси и маршрутки, после уничтожения общественного транспорта
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 43 New
      -6
      I understand that in your region it’s full ... but this does not mean that in all as well.
      1. Azis
        Azis 25 June 2020 22: 20 New
        +4
        Not complete yet ... Would be complete, probably I would not be here. I understand that in many regions governors
        rebuild cities and villages laughing
        но полагаю, что они не более чем потемкинские. Сёла вымирают и разъезжаются, либо агломерируются в ближайший город. А в тех, что сохранились - либо кондоминимум с кондомами (прости, Господи) и огороженной коттеджной застройкой, либо частное феодальное владение с главой администрации во главе или "фермером"-главой КФХ, на которых вынуждено пахать оставшееся население. Село, ёптыть... восстановленное
  • perm23
    perm23 25 June 2020 17: 59 New
    -3
    but first of all it would not hurt us all to remember the history of the country the kings did not like. overthrew and what they received. devastation war. loss of territory. Soviet power came. again do not like it. again not that. THEN Lenin is bad either Stalin or Khrushchev or Brezhnev. removed this power and that again received the ruin of the war, the loss of territories. Now I like it again. I’m not tired of stepping on the same rake.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 42 New
      -6
      A person will always be not satisfied, but the mind must feel and understand that where and when ...
      1. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 19: 44 New
        +3
        Hemingway wrote. how many people do not give him it will still be small and even if you lie in the mud and let you walk and they will be indignant that you are not soft enough
        1. flicker
          flicker 25 June 2020 20: 56 New
          -7
          if you lie in the mud and let you walk and you will be indignant that you are not soft enough
          Эта да, прямо как про "ВОшнюю неполживую сотню".
          При Сталине эта "сотня" в Гулагах бы давно сидела.
          1. cniza
            cniza 25 June 2020 21: 10 New
            -3
            But something else has not all manifested itself, apparently the main ones today will work on the night shift.
        2. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2020 21: 09 New
          0
          Quote: perm23
          Hemingway wrote. how many people do not give him it will still be small and even if you lie in the mud and let you walk and they will be indignant that you are not soft enough


          There is strength and weakness in this, then the Spirit must decide ...
  • shura7782
    shura7782 25 June 2020 18: 00 New
    +1
    Leader can only be changed to a leader
    Есть о чем поговорить. Что бы обсуждать статью, хотелось бы для начала узнать приблизительный список Вам известных кандидатов в лидеры на первый пост. От себя. Что то я сомневаюсь, что при нынешнем будет всенародное обсуждение кандидата в лидеры. Скорее все произойдет как в армии перед строем. " Это теперь ваш новый командир!" И не важно лидер он для Вас или нет. Командиров не выбирают.
    Одно с другим связано. Судя по тому, что на верху уже по настоящему запаниковали, срочно родился проект с поправками. Глупо отрицать, что первостепенная причина этих поправок это "личная неприкосновенность первого лица." Почему так то вдруг? - От лукавого.
    Why panicked? There was an opportunity to really fall under international court at least GDP and put Shoigu or Russia in complete isolation. What will be the choice of our next Leader?
    1. sevryuk
      sevryuk 25 June 2020 19: 04 New
      +1
      Судя по развитию событий, под суд (новый Нюрнберг) пойдут организаторы всяческих цветных революций и "борцы за демократию" 90-00-х годов. Бестиарий нашего времени.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 27 June 2020 16: 24 New
        0
        Quote: sevryuk
        ... in court ....

        I think that they will have time to slip away over the hill.
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 40 New
      +2
      Why panicked? There was an opportunity to really fall under international court at least GDP and put Shoigu or Russia in complete isolation. What will be the choice of our next Leader?


      Then you go too far ...
      And if we talk about potential candidates, it’s very difficult, we don’t have that information, and if Putin now declares someone to be the receiver, they’ll just bite him.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 27 June 2020 16: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        .... they just peck him.
        Да, согласен. Все произойдет неожиданно. Я уверен, что это будет человек того же круга, без конкурса и дебатов и победной "всенародной поддержки".
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 June 2020 18: 51 New
          +1
          It’s hard to say where this person will be from, but I would really like everything to go smoothly, without shocks, we are tired already. ,,
      2. shura7782
        shura7782 27 June 2020 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Then you go too far ...

        Виктор, очень рекомендую послушать "Генерал полковник Ивашов: "Трамп и Байден. Что ждать? В программе Караулова. Там в концовке без всяких перегибов по существу вопроса. Весь ролик заслуживает большого внимания и неожиданно находятся ответы по статье.
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 June 2020 18: 53 New
          +1
          Thanks, I’ll listen, but now we don’t need sudden movements and shocks ...
          1. shura7782
            shura7782 30 June 2020 12: 41 New
            0
            ..... but we do not need ....
            Of course, that would be fabulous, ideally. It’s good if everyone follows the rules of the game. And if not all? Again to the Reds and the Whites.
    3. perm23
      perm23 25 June 2020 19: 48 New
      +1
      but otherwise it’s like. fellow soldiers. today we will choose a commander among ourselves. . straight even very interesting. ok if it's a squad and if a regiment
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 27 June 2020 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: perm23
        .... okay if this is a detachment and if a regiment

        Sergey, out of respect for your shoulder straps. Read it as an election race for several presidential candidates.
  • sergo
    sergo 25 June 2020 18: 00 New
    +1
    Take the pen from this scribbler. More precisely the keyboard))))
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 38 New
      0
      Quote: sergo
      Take the pen from this scribbler. More precisely the keyboard))))


      And specifically, what do you have to say? or you just don’t like it, you have the right ...
  • perm23
    perm23 25 June 2020 18: 09 New
    0
    taxi drivers in the parking lot of the station know best how to manage the country. but the train came and they ran to look for passengers. It is easy to sit in a warm apartment with light and internet and talk about how to. The fan syndrome is called this. when I sit on TV I know best how to play football and then I would have scored for sure.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 June 2020 19: 01 New
      10
      Quote: perm23
      It’s easy to sit in a warm apartment with light and internet and talk about how to

      Respected! Those who are obliged to know how to, do not burn a splinter in the dugout ... If they undertook to guarantee and fulfill the requirements of the “bearer of power”, then let them do so so that there are fewer reproaches. And then, how a straight line millions strive to reach the guarantor, and record temporary records for him ...
      Fifty will receive answers, and the remaining millions will be left to local officials.
      Perhaps it would be difficult for me to complete state affairs, but I would not raise the retirement age before the introduction of the progressive personal income tax scale.
      The choice of priorities is deliberately distorted. Minor affairs go first and foremost, and the necessary projects for years lie under the cloth.
      1. perm23
        perm23 25 June 2020 19: 22 New
        -1
        That is the question. we very easily talk about what we don’t know .. what is more correct that n. raise age or taxes. and that the president should do everything for the local authorities. so it is simply impossible. but that’s why we choose such power on the ground. it is a question for us .. and I don’t know you. what was advised to him. experts.
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 37 New
      -3
      Very interesting, you are right in many ways.
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    1. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 20: 00 New
      -9
      "Просто потому, что любой новый лидер будет заведомо хуже. "
      It depends.
      Для меня он скорее будет даже лучше, а вот для "ВОшней сотни", точно хуже. Вас погонят метлой поганой. laughing
      Это только Путин такие "сотни" терпит bully
  • Alsur
    Alsur 25 June 2020 18: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Snark1876
    "Надежды же оппозиции на появление в их рядах хоть кого-то, кто сможет претендовать на лидерство в стране, настолько призрачны, что и говорить о них не стоит"
    You will say that in Belarus. There were no worthy ones there yesterday. Today, most of them. Society itself gives birth to Minins and Pozharsky. Power must change and point.

    You confuse it with the Maidan, but nobody chooses there, they themselves come. Those who are not ready to rule the state come, who can only blame the previous government, since they are not capable of building up, can do nothing for the benefit of the country, only are able to fill their pockets.
    There are no real candidates in Belarus and the Russian Federation. In the Russian Federation there was only Primakov, Luzhkov as prime minister. Viktor RB Gonchar, Yuri Nikolayevich Zakharenko and Anatoly Stepanovich Krasovsky were in the Republic of Belarus, but after their disappearance, there was no one.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 36 New
      0
      Well, there was Maslyukov in Russia, and I would have mentioned Gerashchenko with a kind word.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 04: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: cniza
        Yes, I would mention Gerashchenko with a kind word.

        This is which he promised to chop off his hands, swearing that there will be no default?
  • dgonni
    dgonni 25 June 2020 18: 25 New
    10
    Just in the nineties there was no oil at 100 bucks per barrel. And gas at 400 per thousand cubic meters. Even for 40 there was no oil and 50 for gas. And there was oil at 12-15 and gas at 20-25.
    That's the whole story.
    Well, GDP still does not have money. But the freeloaders have accounts in offshore fields half a half lard Baku. What they play so virtuoso is just not clear
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 34 New
      -4
      And you look at all the dynamics, but in some places there was luck, but under Yeltsin, even at high prices, they did not pay taxes.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 June 2020 18: 29 New
    -4
    Thank! You put on the shelves and my thoughts and reasoning.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 32 New
      -4
      I agree with you.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 25 June 2020 18: 30 New
    -5
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    Автор знатно подлизнул. Статья большая и вся во славу Путина. Полно пустых лозунгов и пёрлов, например, "Просто потому, что любой новый лидер будет заведомо хуже. " В стране 140 миллионов человек и нет ни одного умнее Путина?

    In addition to the mind, you need a will, the ability to organize and much more. Of course, others need a combination, of course, but we still need some mushrooms for managing state structures, and here the circle of suitable ones sharply narrows.
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 32 New
      -2
      And not just a will, but a flair and, of course, a desire to be always the first and to win.
  • U-58
    U-58 25 June 2020 18: 37 New
    +3
    Author- 21st Century Gapon.
    Honestly earned money from the government.
    Maladtsa! ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 30 New
      -2
      And to justify such a statement on facts and figures.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 25 June 2020 18: 50 New
    0
    Quote: U-58
    Author- 21st Century Gapon.
    Honestly earned money from the government.
    Maladtsa! ....

    Gapon brought the masses to the street, how this action is connected with the author and the topic of his article. Just to blur?
    1. U-58
      U-58 25 June 2020 19: 27 New
      +1
      Well, boldly. A couple more details: why did you deduce, under what slogans and how did it end.
      And then there is half the audience of the victim, oh, sorry, the products of the exam ..
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 25 June 2020 18: 55 New
    +6
    "Это точно Путин до этого страну довел? Точно он продал заводы за копейки? Он развалил все остальное? Это из-за него я «полюбил» куриные ножки и вообще куриц на всю жизнь?"

    And what did he do to return those plants or, more importantly, the sources of mineral raw materials to national ownership?
    Berezovsky is good, but what about Abramovich?
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2020 19: 29 New
      -2
      In order not to break firewood, they do not need to be returned, new ones must be built, using new technologies, much more effective and compete.
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 25 June 2020 18: 59 New
    +5
    Why is there no thesis in the amendments on the crime of Belovezhiee and the fact that any region of the former Russian Empire and the former USSR has the right to reunite with the Russian Federation?
  • Alsur
    Alsur 25 June 2020 19: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: sevryuk
    "Это точно Путин до этого страну довел? Точно он продал заводы за копейки? Он развалил все остальное? Это из-за него я «полюбил» куриные ножки и вообще куриц на всю жизнь?"

    And what did he do to return those plants or, more importantly, the sources of mineral raw materials to national ownership?
    Berezovsky is good, but what about Abramovich?

    From WiKi:
    According to two different sources, Abramovich first met Berezovsky either at a meeting of Russian businessmen in the Caribbean in 1993, or in the summer of 1995 on the yacht of his friend Pyotr Aven.] Berezovsky introduced Abramovich to his “family” - the close circle of Russian President Boris Yeltsin, which included his daughter Tatyana Dyachenko and chief security adviser Alexander Korzhakov.
    Therefore, Abramovich is from the same company and from the same time as Berezovsky.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 25 June 2020 19: 21 New
    +2
    Democracy is fairy tales for the snotty or an option for Eurovision or the Miss Universe.
    God forbid someone experienced responsible and with brains will make the choice of the president’s successor for the people.
    We already went through all this at least twice in the 17th and 90s.
    Democracy is when sailors of a warship vote where to send him and what to do instead of a captain. The outcome of such decisions is obviously sad.
    In the USA, the same people sit in Congress for 50 years and do not bother anyone, and when their president begins to bend his line, he is very quickly shown his place, and many were simply killed.
  • cniza
    cniza 25 June 2020 19: 27 New
    -2
    I read the article and already know which of the regulars and what will write and wrote already. For a long time there were no such articles, thanks to the author for raising this topic, and indeed the author is brave.
  • dedvladimir
    dedvladimir 25 June 2020 19: 33 New
    -7
    1). It is clear that the SUPREME AUTHORITY made mistakes, but citizens will forgive and support it, because it has done the MOST IMPORTANT - RESTORED FULL SOVEREIGNTY AND RELIABLE DEFENSE OF RUSSIA.
    Следующий этап деятельности ВЕРХОВНОЙ ВЛАСТИ - это МОДЕРНИЗАЦИЯ ПИРАМИДЫ ВЛАСТИ. Чтобы избавиться от ИНТЕЛЛЕКТУАЛЬНО - ДЕЛОВЫХ НЕДОТЁП во власти, не способных включить творческий потенциал каждого гражданина в дело обустройства РОССИИ . ( Из статьи "Санкции - катализатор кристаллизации общества" ,что размешена на сайте www.proza.ru под авторством "Дед Владимир".).
    2). КАК НАГРАЖДАТЬ ПРЕЗИДЕНТА изложено в статье "Безнравственная элита губит ОБЩЕСТВО", что размещена на вышеуказанном сайте.
    ALL good health!
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 25 June 2020 19: 45 New
    +6
    Quote: flicker
    METHOD OF CINDERING - non-living liberal

    Уважаемый, а "неполживого либерала" это что такое, ругательство или должность?
    And the rest you repeat, this long post has already flickered on the pages of the site.
    Do not be lazy to write differently.
    1. flicker
      flicker 25 June 2020 20: 26 New
      -5
      Well, you write the same thing.
      А так специально для вас: пока "ВОшняя сотня стонет" Путин строит:
      "More giant bridges have been built in Russia in 20 Putin years than in the entire previous period."
      ---
      22 of the 32 longest bridges in Russia were built under Vladimir Putin.
      The length of the new bridges is 108 km, and the total length of all bridges is 129 km. That is, 83% of the total length of the giant bridges were erected during the years of Putin’s rule. And the kings and general secretaries for the centuries before this was built only 17%.

      1. Crimean bridge - the length of 19 km, opened in 2018.
      2. Russian bridge in Vladivostok - the length of 1886 meters, opened in 2012
      3. Krasavinsky bridge over the Kama River in Perm - 1737 meters, opened in 2005
      4. Kinesham bridge across the Volga - 1646 meters, opened in 2003
      5. Nikolaevsky bridge in Krasnoyarsk - 1600 meters, opened in 2015
      6. The bridge across the Kama, Arkharovka and Kurlyanka - the length over Kama 1608 meters, the total length 13967 meters, opened in 2002
      7. Boguchansky bridge in the Krasnoyarsk Territory - the length of 1611 meters, opened in 2011
      8. The bridge across the Kola Bay in Murmansk - the length of 1611 meters, opened in 2009
      9. Academic bridge over the Angara in Irkutsk - 1615 meters long, opened in 2013
      10. The bridge over the Tura River in Turinsk - a length of 1970 meters, opened in 2008
      11. Bugrinsky bridge across the Ob in Novosibirsk - the length of 2097,5 meters, opened in 2014
      12. Temernitsky bridge in Rostov - length 2255 meters, opened in 2010
      13. Ugra bridge across the Ob - the length of 2110 meters, opened in 2000
      1. flicker
        flicker 25 June 2020 20: 33 New
        -6
        Bridges are not everything, but because the continuation
        Пока "неполживая сотня стонет" Путин строит

        14. Saratov bridge across the Volga - 2351 meters long, opened in 2009
        15. Volgograd bridge - the length of 2514 meters, opened in 2009
        16. Bolshoi Obukhov bridge in St. Petersburg - length 2884 meters, opened in 2007
        17. Railway bridge over Yuribey - 3893 meters long, opened in 2009
        18. The bridge in Vladivostok through the Amur Bay - the length of 4362 meters, opened in 2012
        19. The Presidential bridge across the Volga in Ulyanovsk - the length of 5825 meters, opened in 2009
        20. The North Bridge on the expressway in St. Petersburg - the length of 8800 meters, fully opened in 2016
        1. cniza<