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Expert Kedmi spoke about the "omission" in Putin's article on World War II

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Expert Kedmi spoke about the "omission" in Putin's article on World War II

An article by Vladimir Putin on World War II, written, according to the president himself, on the basis of archival data, including the testimonies of politicians of the 1930s and 40s, is being actively discussed. It is discussed, including in the expert community. A variety of reviews are heard about the article by the President of Russia: from words of support and approval of the material up to the critical version of “9 thousand words of lies,” which was published in the Danish press the other day.


A well-known Israeli political scientist, an ex-employee of one of the Israeli intelligence agencies, Jacob Kedmi, in a teleconference with the studio of TC "Russia 1" noted that Vladimir Putin made one omission in his article. According to Kedmi, Putin, describing the situation in his material, did not specify the ideological component of the confrontation, did not mention that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.

Kedmi noted that the West supported Hitler in his attack on the Soviet Union precisely on ideological principles.

Israeli expert:

It was a war against Bolshevism. The war against the ideology on which the USSR was based. If there were no Soviet Union at that time, then they would not have won the war. And the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from the catastrophe that happened after the First World War with the German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires. And all this is not mentioned ... Not a single word, not a hint. And that was the main part of the war. The ideology was from both Germany and the USSR. And the resistance movement fought against Nazi Germany, since it was mainly communists.

According to Yakov Kedmi, this is exactly what he lacked in the historical analysis, which was carried out by Vladimir Putin.

Kedmi:

Well, who, who, and he certainly should have said this.

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  1. revnagan
    revnagan 24 June 2020 08: 11 New
    47
    Yakov well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 24 June 2020 08: 39 New
      -27
      Cunning Yakov Kazakov
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 24 June 2020 08: 52 New
        -3
        Adolf Hitler's appeal to the German people
        in connection with the beginning of the war against the Soviet Union
        June 22, 1941 1).
        http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/1941gitler.php
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 24 June 2020 09: 28 New
          +8
          But Vladimir Vladimirovich ... He was a member of the CPSU.

          Or I'm wrong?
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 24 June 2020 12: 01 New
            +8
            It was, yes swam. Now the mausoleum is shy.
            However, today one person voiced the opinion that he is not worthy to stand at the mausoleum.
            1. New
              New Year day 24 June 2020 21: 04 New
              +5
              Quote: Pereira
              Now the mausoleum is shy.

              and not only! portraits of Stalin and the marshals of the USSR - where?
              Please note there are no Red Stars on the T-34.
              The day before yesterday they convinced me that they would draw for the parade request
          2. Uncle Izya
            Uncle Izya 24 June 2020 12: 27 New
            +4
            Both Gaidar and Yeltsin
          3. Fidel
            Fidel 24 June 2020 12: 29 New
            +5
            Michal Sergeich was definitely. Can you compare cases and results?
          4. The
            The point 24 June 2020 14: 42 New
            +6
            Apparently there is still a difference between a communist and a member of the CPSU.
        2. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 24 June 2020 16: 21 New
          -1
          The task of this front is not to protect individual countries, but to ensure the security of Europe and thereby save everyone.
          Recently we often hear (taken from circulation on June 22, 41). And it doesn’t smell like a war of ideologies from the appeal you presented.
          In circulation, England is to blame for everything and this is not a communist state of the Bolsheviks. He accuses Moscow of conspiring with Britain and threatens to force 160 divisions, it doesn’t smell of ideology at all.
          From the first days of the war there was a total annihilation of the male population of the USSR, death camps grew like mushrooms on the territory of the USSR occupied by fascists. And it is no less strange to see an ideological war in the murder from infants to old people as Bolsheviks, by the Nazis. It was always believed that the Second World War for the Soviet people in WWII was a war for the right to life.
          Nazism cannot be an ideology, it is a crime. WWII, this is an attempt to revenge the losers in WWII (offended by the Treaty of Versailles), in the limit of resources and territories.
          Yes, in the USSR there was an ideology of communism, but they went to the front to beat Nazi-Nazis, not bourgeois capitalists.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 25 June 2020 17: 01 New
            0
            It was the bourgeois who went to beat. Cruel and greedy bourgeois. However, it would be more accurate to call them slaveholders. Slavic, Asian slaves and their lands were promised to every German.
            In the minds of most Soviet fighters and commanders, the instinct of self-preservation, pride in belonging to a great nation, and the ideological hatred of the exploited by the exploiters naturally united. The people perfectly understood that the fascists were going to rule them, suck out all the juices and gradually destroy them. The combination of natural and ideological incentives gave a huge increase in morale compared to other wars.
            T.N. "courage coefficient" - the ratio of those killed to prisoners during the Second World War compared with the period of 1 MV for Soviet (Russians in 1 MV) soldier soldiers is 4 times better, for commanders - 10 times. To some extent, this coefficient is better for the Germans. Ideology cannot be discounted.
            1. Konstantin Shevchenko
              Konstantin Shevchenko 25 June 2020 23: 50 New
              -1
              And what is the ideology of the British and Americans? Beat the bourgeois too? And Lengism from the capitalists to the Communists? Then how to understand? And last, what was Hitler’s ideology, what did the Soviet Union prevent? You dear cunning, argues that there was a clash against the backdrop of contradictions of the ideologies of states in the likeness of religious warriors. Hitler did not have an ideology poop plan to capture and destroy. All that you described is the internal work of the political instructor, the soldiers were raised to fight against the Nazis, not understanding the essence of what was happening. Only after the liberation of the occupied territory of the USSR did the soldiers get acquainted with the atrocities of the Nazis and gave more confidence in their correctness.
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 27 June 2020 09: 59 New
                0
                The correct last statement does not negate the high communist consciousness.
                As for American incentives, they are simpler. Interview with an American soldier: "I’m at war with Hitler for my mother’s apple pie and turkey on July 4th!"
                Well, the results ... Otto Carius (tank ace SS): "Six Russians are more dangerous than 30 Americans."
                As for the fascists, read carefully what I wrote about their incentives. However, I must add, since you actually deny their ideology. Without fascist ideology, the Germans would fraternize with Russians, as in 1 MV. It was ideology that strengthened the fortitude and morale of the German military machine! No one will give their lives for money and cookies. Unprofitable. And for the idea - it will be! And they gave. The French SS Legion Charlemagne defended the Reichstag together with the German SS Sheep to the last man! It was a war of principles of existence.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 June 2020 10: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: meandr51
                  As for American incentives, they are simpler. Interview with an American soldier: "I’m at war with Hitler for my mother’s apple pie and turkey on July 4th!"

                  Quote: meandr51
                  No one will give their lives for money and cookies.

                  You probably did not understand the meaning of what was said by an American soldier
                  U.S. Independence Day (Eng. Independence Day) - the day of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence of the United States in 1776, which proclaims independence of the United States from the Kingdom of Great Britain; celebrated in the United States on July 4.

                  Independence Day is considered the birthday of the United States as a free and independent country.

                  he said that he was fighting for the independence of his country.
                  Unlike the USSR, in the USA there was no compulsory draft and the bulk were volunteers.
                  1. meandr51
                    meandr51 9 July 2020 09: 22 New
                    -1
                    Perhaps he was referring to independence, although there are options. The association of independence with a bold piece is symptomatic ... As for voluntariness, the US military was paid well, and the ground forces had the opportunity to take advantage of trophies. Amid unemployment and the crisis, these were weighty arguments. In the Air Force, everyone dreamed of drumming off their 60 sorties and returning home.
                    Everyday life of American aviation is not bad, albeit somewhat grotesque, described in the classic book by D. Heller, "Trick-22."
                    I also recalled a message about a unique case when an American soldier through German captivity came to the Soviet troops. After spending a week at the forefront, he asked to leave him in the company. He explained this: “Here you are fighting with the Hans for real! I have my own score for them ...” He fought well, a few months later he was sent to his own.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 9 July 2020 17: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: meandr51
                      As for volunteerism, the military in the United States was paid well, and the ground forces had the opportunity to take advantage of trophies.Amid unemployment and the crisis, these were weighty arguments..

                      epic nonsense.
                      1. meandr51
                        meandr51 10 July 2020 11: 30 New
                        0
                        Read at least the “Cruiser of His Majesty Ulysses” about who was recruited into the English and American fleets. From 38 to the 43rd year (maximum production) in the United States, the number of employees increased by only 10 million people. Https: // gezesh. livejournal.com/9899.html Depression was replaced by "prosperity" only after the war.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 25 June 2020 05: 18 New
          0
          Quote: To be or not to be
          http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/1941gitler.php

          And "My struggle" and the expansion of living space to the Ural Mountains is true, fake ...
      2. LAWNER
        LAWNER 24 June 2020 09: 14 New
        -3
        The author is cunning ... Ex-intelligence officers do not happen
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 24 June 2020 11: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: LAWNER
          Ex-intelligence officers do not happen

          please explain whose intelligence?
        2. Fidel
          Fidel 24 June 2020 12: 34 New
          -6
          Yasha is the same scout as a Negro member of the KKK. Clown mumbled.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 24 June 2020 13: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Fidel
            as a black man a member of the KKK.

            Oh, that day is not far away, especially in the light of recent events. yes wassat
      3. Gaubvaxta
        Gaubvaxta 24 June 2020 09: 19 New
        -20
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Israeli expert:

        It’s a misleading word ..This “Israeli expert ex” is not without reason settled in Russia ..
        Again they want to fool Russia with their chatter and then I will laugh, counting the profits .. Guys do not believe them! But the main thing is to watch them .. They are like weathercocks of the political and financial situation of the world ...:
        But the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from that catastrophe

        The nightingale sings beautifully .. Only then can she stab it in the back .. Damascus was bombed today, where many of our specialists may have killed anyone ..
        And the answer is impossible .. Oh Russia naive soul
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 24 June 2020 09: 44 New
          +2
          On March 4, 2015, in Chisinau, an open meeting was held with Jacob Kedmi, a military-political expert, former head of the Israeli intelligence service Nativ.
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            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 10: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Gaubvaxta
              Well, why are you doing this? He is a Jew and a Jew in Africa .. Now he says so, tomorrow is different .. How many of them were in Russia and remain ..
              Dostoevsky was right nevertheless ..

              Are you anti-Semite?
              1. Gaubvaxta
                Gaubvaxta 24 June 2020 13: 59 New
                -4
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you anti-Semite?

                No, I'm Russian! But shaw, a little against and immediately call names .. angry
              2. Volodin
                Volodin 24 June 2020 14: 31 New
                +9
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you anti-Semite?

                He’s a bot provocateur.
                Quote: Gaubvaxta
                No, I'm Russian!

                Russian? This is not even funny ... Russian is a person who is characterized by the concept of "friendship of peoples." For bots and trolls, this concept is unknown.
              3. Cheldon
                Cheldon 24 June 2020 19: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you anti-Semite?

                If a Jew, for example, of the “left” type, criticizes a Jew of the “right” type (Zionist), then which of them is anti-Semite, can you tell?
            2. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 24 June 2020 10: 42 New
              +7
              It's not about nationality .. He worked for his new homeland

              Moreover, he boasts about the departure of 1.5 million Soviet Jews organized by him from the USSR - scientists, doctors, engineers ..., and with them technologies ... that the state of Israel itself saved at one time and negatively affected fate The Soviet Union ... If you were eager for the native. So that again frequented a preacher to the old? How funny and ugly it all looks, looks and leads to bad thoughts
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 24 June 2020 13: 22 New
                0
                Quote: To be or not to be
                If he was eager for the primordial. So that he again frequented the preacher to the old?

                Duc, he is not alone. yes And you don’t need to go anywhere for examples. I am sure you are familiar with a bunch of Israeli runners that hang around here on an ongoing basis. And yes, the point is not in nationality, but in the rotten bestial nature of some organisms.
                On a case-by-case basis, these multi-passport “citizens of the world” will just as easily surrender their current abode under the motto “where there is nishtyak - there is a house there”.
                And Yasha ... Yes, he beautifully threw it for the Communists. And how he fled from them, how he fled ... laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 24 June 2020 15: 58 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  If he was eager for the primordial. So that he again frequented the preacher to the old?

                  Duc, he is not alone. yes And you don’t need to go anywhere for examples. I am sure you are familiar with a bunch of Israeli runners that hang around here on an ongoing basis. And yes, the point is not in nationality, but in the rotten bestial nature of some organisms.
                  On a case-by-case basis, these multi-passport “citizens of the world” will just as easily surrender their current abode under the motto “where there is nishtyak - there is a house there”.
                  And Yasha ... Yes, he beautifully threw it for the Communists. And how he fled from them, how he fled ... laughing

                  Heh I'm one of them laughing Multi-passers, who at 35 years old can already live in any country in the world, exactly where it is better. Such, we, the runners-up, nature wink Live where there is more dough lol
                2. meandr51
                  meandr51 9 July 2020 09: 38 New
                  -1
                  Different are Jews. I know well one (he is 80 years old) who served as a radiometer on the reconnaissance ship during the Kiriban crisis. So he still writes on his rather old kayak the name of this ship (converted from a German seiner), and we, in the company of elderly tourists on the White Sea, every year merrily celebrate the day of the USSR Navy!
                  Do you think it was conspiratorial?
              2. Gaubvaxta
                Gaubvaxta 24 June 2020 14: 04 New
                -2
                Quote: To be or not to be
                Moreover, he boasts about the departure of 1.5 million Soviet Jews organized by him from the USSR - scientists, doctors, engineers ..., and with them technologies ... that the state of Israel itself saved at one time and negatively affected fate Soviet Union

                Yes, yes .. Now he’s returned to Russia and sings nightingale on all channels .. He has finished the money and is preparing to save Jews from the "bloody regime" ..)))))) How much does he take for the export of an "engineer" trained in the military-industrial complex ? Prices jump and shekels too ..
            3. Uncle Izya
              Uncle Izya 24 June 2020 12: 28 New
              +1
              Come on in Eaton -tv against Russia, I didn’t say anything like that. What nasty things were said against Nevzlin now they don’t invite him
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 10: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: Gaubvaxta
          But the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from that catastrophe

          The nightingale sings beautifully .. Only then can she stab it in the back .. Damascus was bombed today, where many of our specialists may have killed anyone ..
          And the answer is impossible .. Oh Russia naive soul

          How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself? This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?
          1. Gaubvaxta
            Gaubvaxta 24 June 2020 10: 30 New
            -9
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

            I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody .. hi
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

            Experience, son of difficult mistakes. wink . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 10: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: Gaubvaxta
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

              I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody .. hi
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

              Experience, son of difficult mistakes. wink . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!

              You would essentially answer the questions asked better, rather than trying to jump to the side.
      4. Uncle Izya
        Uncle Izya 24 June 2020 12: 26 New
        -1
        This nightingale is cunning, they say Putin said the truth
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        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 16: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: To be or not to be
          I wanted. That stamp collectors confirmed the presence of such.

          Common crap. During the war, opponents spanked propaganda stamps with Hitler, with Stalin, etc. in various perversions. Call them brands only in form. Israel then was not in the project. Ruklabludy. request
          You are the owner of a masterpiece. request
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 24 June 2020 20: 17 New
            0
            understood agree thanks
        2. aglet
          aglet 24 June 2020 19: 16 New
          -1
          photoshop is called
      6. Wolverine
        Wolverine 24 June 2020 15: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Cunning Yakov Kazakov

        When Jacob says, Solovyov is silent like a fish - it’s difficult to argue against Yasha.
    2. knn54
      knn54 24 June 2020 08: 40 New
      15
      The people also realized (somewhere around four months later) that whoever is against Stalin is against the Motherland.
      And almost all of Europe rose precisely against the USSR.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 08: 55 New
        -26
        Quote: knn54
        And practically all of Europe has risen It is against the USSR.
        Really?
        More specifically. Europe gave its national SS legions, separate units. This is the ideology of fascism, the superiority of supermen, dizzy. Only Hungarians, Romanians and Finns fought with us fully in armies. Not much for ALL. The economy of Europe, yes, but Hitler had his own cockroaches in his head. The Germans, having the potential of the whole of Europe, could not deliver and mobilize it, subordinate it to the needs of the front.
        Communists were mowed throughout Europe and there were .... legion. But the Gestapo worked.
        1. Rakovor
          Rakovor 24 June 2020 09: 03 New
          +7
          The Italians have been forgotten.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 09: 20 New
            -17
            Quote: Rakovor
            The Italians have been forgotten.

            Just ignored, well, if it’s important ....
        2. audigamma
          audigamma 24 June 2020 09: 15 New
          18
          Another victim of the exam. Read the literature of those who fought against the USSR and who sent volunteers for the war with the USSR. Almost all of Europe. And who helped Germany with resources from supposedly neutral countries.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 09: 38 New
            -21
            Quote: audigamma
            Another victim of the exam.

            I sympathize. From sleeping ?.
          2. snucerist
            snucerist 24 June 2020 10: 02 New
            -7
            Almost all of Europe is Great Britain with dominions, Poland, France, Belgium, Greece, Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia?
            And at the final stage of the war Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Finland, Italy?
            Have you ever passed the exam?
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 10: 25 New
            -12
            Quote: audigamma
            Another victim of the exam. Read the literature of those who fought against the USSR and who sent volunteers for the war with the USSR. Almost all of Europe. And who helped Germany with resources from supposedly neutral countries.

            Rather, the victim of official propaganda. Nothing, I suppose soon the refrigerator will triumph over the TV.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 12: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Rather, the victim of official propaganda. Nothing, I suppose soon the refrigerator will triumph over the TV.

              The victim is fried at the stake. Especially those who sing in unison with the State Department. repeat As for the refrigerator, the TV, then this is vital for you.
          4. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 24 June 2020 11: 43 New
            +1
            Exam failed too?
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 24 June 2020 09: 49 New
        +9
        So they are a gang! And now the same thing! Imperialist gang! The freedom of which they sing is a bugbear for those who do not fit into their world order!
      3. Andrey Stavropolsky
        Andrey Stavropolsky 24 June 2020 09: 50 New
        +3
        What nonsense do you have in your head? I do not associate my homeland with either Stalin or Putin or anyone else. My Homeland is land, people, language and culture. Everything else is temporary.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 10: 29 New
          -4
          Quote: Andrew Stavropol
          What nonsense do you have in your head? I do not associate my homeland with either Stalin or Putin or anyone else. My Homeland is land, people, language and culture. Everything else is temporary.

          That is, you absolutely do not care what kind of group stands at the head of state and where does it lead our country?
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 24 June 2020 09: 59 New
        -1
        Most likely not against the USSR, but for fascist Germany, the embodiment of all “Western values” at that time.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 June 2020 08: 48 New
      +8
      Quote: revnagan
      Jacob well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point

      He correctly noted. And Putin correctly missed ... He would have said about ideology - and nobody else would have even taken the rest of the historical content of the article - would have attacked it ...
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 24 June 2020 09: 11 New
        +4
        I've always been wondering, what kind of * ideology * came under the declaration of war of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE on the part of Germany-Austria in 1914?
        But then the king and the Kaiser were relatives, like most of the titled nobility, calibrated with imported nobles. Because of what actually?
        No ideology other than - * conquered lands and slaves * is not visible either in 1914 or in 1941. And the words in Europe can speak different. Do not believe them
        In Putin, this is precisely what he emphasized, but diplomatically.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 24 June 2020 09: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: Vasily50
          I've always been wondering what kind of * ideology * came under the declaration of war of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE from Germany-Austria in 1914

          No one hid ... the protection of the Slav brothers from Austria-Hungary ...
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 09: 19 New
          +9
          Russia has always been a bone in the throat for Europe. Regardless of who was in our power: the emperor, the secretary general or the president.
        3. Basil50
          Basil50 24 June 2020 11: 55 New
          +1
          arrow
          Own ignorance is not so obvious ..............
          In 1914, the Germans and Austrians declared war on the RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
          And further. For the ignorant.
          Even under Wilhelm’s grandfather No. 2, the Germans organized a ministry for colonial affairs, which, in addition to Africa, included the lands of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. German rogue noblemen received money through this ministry and bought land for the formation of latifundia in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 June 2020 09: 25 New
      +6
      'Do not turn down, do not add'
      You can add.
      Not only Western partners directed Hitler against communism, but also AGAINST the USSR as the heir to the Russian Empire. Today it is perfectly visible with the naked eye.
      They admitted the victory of the Bolsheviks on the basis of the belief that this power would ruin a great country and would fall apart, not in 70 years, much earlier.
      But ... miscalculated both there and there.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 24 June 2020 10: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Alekseev
        but also AGAINST the USSR as the heir to the Russian Empire.

        Yes, the collective West does not care about the heirs of the "Russian Empire." In the Russian Empire, the West did an excellent job. Both German, French and other capital felt like a fish in water. If not for the Great October Socialist Revolution, then after a couple of decades the Western capital would receive a controlling stake, RI would remain "AO Russia". It was the USSR that broke their plans to buy Russia, it was in the USSR that the collective west saw the root of all its "troubles" laughing . Well and resources, of course. Where without them ....
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 24 June 2020 12: 57 New
          0
          Quote: revnagan
          spit collective West on the heirs of the "Russian Empire" The West did an excellent job

          You hurried it ....
          Where is that revolution and the Bolsheviks now, after all, by historical standards, very little time has passed? But in order to sell resources to the “sharks of kamitalizma” there is a fierce competition, as well as for
          Quote: revnagan
          The West did an excellent job
          , i.e. invested ...
          But the struggle of the West against Russia and Russophobia almost reached its climax in peacetime. So, the matter is not only in the “Bolsheviks, or the Communists ..." It is here that it is precisely the anti-Russian orientation that is being seen, the struggle against a nation that could compete on this planet. After all, it’s impossible to live well and consume like the USA and other “gold billionaires” ... In addition, the one who can give you a hat on occasion is considered dangerous, despite the king there or the general secretary. The same can be said about the struggle of the West with China, etc.
    5. Roman Zykov
      Roman Zykov 24 June 2020 09: 48 New
      -2
      According to Jacob, the Germans turned out to come to us as liberators in order to save our people from the atrocities of Bolshevism. and this he says the main reason) This is especially evident in the way Hitler saved Jews) For me, these tales about ideology are typical words of all Vlasov and other traitors
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 June 2020 10: 00 New
      0
      Quote: revnagan
      Yakov well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point.

      I respect this Hades, he says more than all our politicians.
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 24 June 2020 08: 17 New
    -4
    In general, the entire article was written for the last paragraphs about the need for a new summit of the UN Security Council member countries.
  3. fider
    fider 24 June 2020 08: 17 New
    -5
    Kedmi is great against sheep. You need to add this: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = qM5RuzYIQTA
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 24 June 2020 08: 19 New
    +5
    There are still omissions in the article about the Moscow Treaty, etc., but Kedmi singled out the main ...
  5. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 24 June 2020 08: 23 New
    12
    Quote: revnagan
    Kedmi:
    Well, who, who, and he certainly should have said this.

    Already someone, but he certainly will not say that. For it refers to communism, to put it mildly, without sympathy.
    1. U-58
      U-58 24 June 2020 08: 35 New
      -2
      What a sympathy there is! The Bolshevik system chose him from among many to a responsible service, which gives a person a certain and rather big power, and he himself entrusted the service with a clear effort. What is there to love?)))))
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 24 June 2020 08: 47 New
        +7
        Quote: U-58
        ... Bolshevik system ...

        The power of the Bolsheviks was from 1924 to 1955. Before and after the power was in the hands of the Trotskyists. Let me remind you. All decisions in the party are made by a majority vote.
  6. U-58
    U-58 24 June 2020 08: 31 New
    11
    Kedmi’s words are all the more valuable because they were written by a man who himself had once escaped the “horrors of communism” and headed the intelligence agency that helped other Zion’s children escape.
    That is, there is an objective approach
    1. D16
      D16 24 June 2020 09: 08 New
      -3
      Kedmi’s words are all the more valuable because they were written by a man who himself had once escaped from the “horrors of communism”

      And I still can’t understand how this “expert”, who once betrayed his country, is allowed into Russia and allowed to earn money on the fool he carries. It is high time to evict these "returnees" back. Let them work in their new homeland. am
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 24 June 2020 09: 19 New
      10
      Quote: U-58
      they were written by a man who himself once escaped from the "horrors of communism"

      If a Jew goes to his homeland, then this means necessarily flees from the "horrors of communism"? Strange your setting! What horrors then escaped the numerous Jews who came to Israel from a well-fed Europe? The fact that Jews were traveling from the USSR means that there was such an opportunity, whatever they say about totalitarianism!

      Jacob Kedmi wrote everything correctly. I respect the opinion of this expert.
      1. U-58
        U-58 24 June 2020 11: 51 New
        +1
        What is strange about the production, if I put everything in quotes?
        In addition, I am a Soviet man of communist convictions and an opponent of tricolor, “Only Russia” and its proteges
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 24 June 2020 14: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: U-58
          I am a Soviet man of communist convictions and an opponent of the tricolor, "Only Russia" and its proteges

          I fully support you, colleague! hi
    3. New
      New Year day 24 June 2020 21: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: U-58
      That is, there is an objective approach

      thought so too! But somehow he began to notice that it was too painful often for him to push Russia to power actions somewhere.
  7. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 24 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +9
    There is nothing simple to justify fascism and the actions of European Nazis on the territory of the USSR, how to hide behind a battle of ideologies. They spit on ideology (a fairy tale for sheep), had completely different goals.
    1. Sly
      Sly 24 June 2020 09: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
      There is nothing simple to justify fascism and the actions of European Nazis on the territory of the USSR, how to hide behind a battle of ideologies.

      I agree - the ideologies that we have, that the Germans had to rally society, but the goals of the war are completely different. Therefore, the war between Germany and the USSR cannot be called a battle of ideologies, of course they were present in it, but only along the way.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 24 June 2020 10: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: Sly
        Therefore, the war between Germany and the USSR cannot be called a battle of ideologies, of course they were present in it, but only along the way.
        Reply

        Wow along the way! It was ideology that was the core on which the spirit of our soldiers, partisans, and underground workers rested. Allowed them to withstand inhuman torment and perform real feats. Right Kedmi! He said this openly.
        P.S. But as ideology died, so sausages fried over eternal flame, and golden youth like M. Bogdasaryan got it.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 10: 23 New
          +5
          When you see burnt cities, murdered women and children, enslaved people, you will not be up to ideologies. You will take revenge.
          "... So kill the fascist so that he
          And you did not lie on the ground,
          Not in your house to moan,
          And he stood by him in the dead.
          So he wanted, his guilt, -
          Let his house burn, and not yours,
          And let not your wife,
          And let him be a widow.
          Let her cry out not yours,
          And his born mother,
          Not yours, but his family
          Ponaprasnu let him wait.
          So kill at least one!
          So kill him quickly!
          How many times will you see him,
          So many times and kill him! "
          K. Simonov.
        2. Sly
          Sly 24 June 2020 10: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Wow along the way! It was ideology that was the core on which the spirit of our soldiers, partisans, and underground workers rested.

          I do not deny this, and of course I agree with this. It is a pity that you did not understand me.
        3. U-58
          U-58 24 June 2020 12: 15 New
          0
          You confuse the struggle of the ideologies of the two states and the internal ideology as a support rod in mobilizing the people to fight the invader
  8. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 June 2020 08: 40 New
    +4
    Putin just tried to soften. It was also necessary to emphasize the role of all the "European" countries, except Great Britain, in the war with the USSR. I think the following article and I need to write about how countries such as Denmark, France, Holland, etc. supplied Germany with soldiers, weapons, equipment, etc.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 24 June 2020 08: 54 New
      +9
      I think the next article and I need to write about how countries such as Denmark, France, Holland, etc. supplied Germany with soldiers, weapons, equipment, etc.
      Such an analysis should already be not so much on the political as on the economic plane: who, how much when invested in the fascist common fund for the war against the USSR. True, this will entail the need to mention transnational corporations of the same allies. But this was not touched, not punished (not even voiced) even at the Nuremberg trials.
  9. Boris55
    Boris55 24 June 2020 08: 41 New
    -4
    Putin said exactly what he was supposed to convey to "progressive" humanity.
    Well, how do the Communists oppose the social guarantees of the working people, to us comrade Zyuganov lucidly explained.
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 June 2020 08: 41 New
    -3
    he did not specify the ideological component of the confrontation; he did not mention that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.
    Kedmi is cunning what to take from him ..... request Yes, they were and strengthened us, and the CPSU (b), and ideology. But, if the authorities did not have the CPSU (b), the war would still be. For Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was pathological. The West - there is no West (juggles), there is England forever suffering from indigestion and a bunch of "eternally hungry", including France. And England did not care, the USSR, not the USSR, if only there was no Russia.
    And that was the main part of the war.
    Well, this is ideological nonsense at the 8th grade level of the Soviet school, solid knowledge affects Kedmi. request
  11. Timon2155
    Timon2155 24 June 2020 08: 46 New
    10
    The war was fought against the Russians. At all times. The destruction of the Russians is the goal of the West. What does ideology have to do with it? She helped, no doubt. But the enemy has always rushed towards us, regardless of ideology. And almost always we won up! Jacob takes a lot on himself: Russia must do so, sort of, Putin wrote not that, it was necessary like this. This opinion is just an Israeli leader; one should not take it for truth.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 24 June 2020 09: 42 New
      +2
      Even the "civilized" West in its aggressive plans needs excuses, ideological differences are the best suited for this. The imperialists are imperialists! Syria, Iraq, Libya, too, was capitalism, but they dug up insufficient democracy by accusing the rulers of genocide and dictatorship.
      Democracy and human rights are respected by them, and even then not always, only in their territories, and they don’t give a damn about the rest. Cedmi is a thousand times right! Imperialism is a great universal evil that feeds any shoots of the rational.
  12. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 08: 46 New
    +7
    Hitler went to expand the living space for the "higher race". And he didn’t give a damn who was in power with these "untermanent" and what their ideology was.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 24 June 2020 09: 08 New
      +2
      Everyone who thinks Kedmi’s words “ideological nonsense” advise repeating history and remembering how fascism carefully cultivated and pumped up finances, Hitler appeared thanks to Western democracies as a sword against the communist union. That is, there would be no USSR, Hitler would not have appeared as his history knows
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 09: 16 New
        +1
        At all times, a strong independent Russia was a scarecrow for the West, no matter who was in power. It seems that now the communist government has rested in Bose, but all the same Russia is encircling NATO with military bases. The sword is not against the Communists - against the Russians they have ground it and are now sharpening it.
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 24 June 2020 09: 27 New
          0
          Well, but as you say an independent and strong Russia (before the revolution) never threatened Western values ​​and territories in the West, in World War I Russia was just on the side of the Western powers against Germany, but as soon as the USSR appeared on Versailles restrictions (read by the way which they were) with respect to Germany, they close their eyes and calmly watch a monster grow up from a defeated Germany .... What did the influential ruling circles of England and France go off the roof or suddenly the memory wander off? No, it’s just a forged instrument in an ideological war
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 12: 05 New
            -3
            If my memory serves me, then the USSR provided polygons to Germany when it was still the Weimar Republic. And he actively collaborated with her in the military-technical sphere. Incidentally, quietly from the Entente countries that strangled Germany with indemnities.
            Western values ​​of RI may not have threatened, but it threatened Western interests, as a result of the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Crimean campaign. And do not forget that Russians for Europe have always been second-class people, what used to be, what is now.
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 24 June 2020 10: 05 New
        -2
        It is clear the ideology of Germany (and indeed all of Europe and America) and the USSR as the reason for their confrontation can be pushed into the days when two opposing ideologies
        But. Now. When Russia returned to the capitalist camp - why, again and again, the whole organized west attacks Russia .. It seems that the point is not in ideology
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 24 June 2020 11: 11 New
          -1
          On what front did Russia attack? Now, apart from the financial spheres of influence, there are no contradictions between capitalist Russia and Western countries.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 24 June 2020 11: 50 New
      +2
      And did Hitler attack France and England because he did not like the Communists?
  13. Doccor18
    Doccor18 24 June 2020 08: 51 New
    15
    that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.

    What are you? Even then, the villages were completely burned. There are no communists left either. And children in VKPb were not accepted at all.
    The war was made against the Russian people. War of annihilation. Against the people, not against the communists.
    Kedmi noted that the West supported Hitler in his attack on the Soviet Union precisely on ideological principles.

    There was no communism in the Russian Empire. And the West in all history has only done what it planned to destroy and dismember. And only a Russian soldier prevented these plans.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 24 June 2020 09: 32 New
      -5
      The West almost reached its goals after the February Revolution (a weak, pro-Western interim government ready to sell all stocks and resources), but the coming of the Communists broke them all. If the USSR had not appeared as a threat to the entire capitalist system, no Hitler would have appeared as a Fuhrer - the maximum controlled by the petty chancellor of a defeated country
  14. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 04 New
    +2
    If there were no Soviet Union at that time, then they would not have won the war.

    Do not quite understand.
    He wants to say that if there were no USSR, and there was still the Russian Empire, would the war be lost?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 18 New
      +2
      That's right. And he is right.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 19 New
        +2
        How, then, did the Russian Empire win the Patriotic War of 1812?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 25 New
          0
          A slightly different time is a much smaller role of industry, etc.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 28 New
            +2
            Not suitable. So you can explain anything.
            However, it is impossible to deny that RI successfully conducted many wars, significantly expanding its borders, and establishing itself as a superpower.
            And making a fetish from the USSR is stupid.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 31 New
              +4
              Making a fetish from the USSR is stupid - I agree. But RI lost the First World War, before the collapse, losing to the Germans all of Poland, a significant part of Belarus and the Baltic states.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 34 New
                +3
                The crisis observed in the Republic of Ingushetia from the beginning of the 20th century reached its climax by 1917. Thus, the First World War became the last straw, which entailed a cascading collapse of the entire system.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 38 New
                  0
                  Defeats on the German front were not the cause of the crisis of the Empire. In 1914 there was patriotism, etc. It was just that RI was not ready for this kind of war because of the low rates of industrialization, the Bolsheviks had a different situation.
                  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 41 New
                    0
                    The Bolsheviks tightened nuts as much as possible, rather than being liberal with the population. And they did it right. That is what allowed them to increase labor productivity.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 44 New
                      +1
                      Not only. Industrialization, the transfer of the bulk of the population to cities, the most efficient evacuation of industry beyond the Urals and its launch, constant pressure on the allies in their interests, etc.
                      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 47 New
                        +2
                        It was all possible to do this thanks to constant ideological pumping and severe repressions fined.
                        If we do about the same now, then over the next twenty to thirty years, Russia would change beyond recognition.
                        But alas. They are trying to softer with the people, but he will not appreciate it, and he will still mutter that everything is wrong and that’s not it.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 24 June 2020 10: 24 New
                        +3
                        I fully and completely agree.
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 June 2020 09: 45 New
      0
      Controversial statement.
      Of course, all the large states of that time competed with each other in various spheres, but the Russian empire did not have such deep political contradictions as the West and the USSR did with the other states of that time.
      Under such conditions, the anti-Hitler alliance could have formed much earlier, which in itself would limit Hitler’s claim to expansion.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 24 June 2020 10: 25 New
        -1
        Or anti-Hitler, or anti-Russian. Ideological contradictions are an important thing. For domestic consumption laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 June 2020 12: 05 New
          -1
          The world revolution is not a completely internal consumption, a non-empty ideology, but a very real practice, whatever form it takes
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 24 June 2020 12: 14 New
            -1
            Like National Socialism - providing one people at the expense of others. Moreover, under each ideology there is its own theoretical base - in this case, the class or racial struggle. However, the Nazis collaborated with the initially considered relaxed-inferior Japanese Asians, the Bolsheviks with the outspoken capitalist Hammer, etc.
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 June 2020 12: 21 New
              -2
              The creation of a system of communist courts in the world is not a theory, but more than a practice
              It was she who limited the creation of the anti-Hitler coalition
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 24 June 2020 09: 08 New
    -1
    Not right Kedmi. It was an inter-civilization war. Yes, and in the Ost plan it was said about the subhuman Slavs and was not mentioned about their ideology.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 29 New
      0
      Hitler as they said. The Slavs, led by the Yudo-Bolsheviks, adopted an ideology that threatened the survival of the German nation with their internationalism.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 10: 09 New
        +1
        A secret document initiated by Himmler called the master plan “Ost” was presented to him on July 15, 1940. The plan provided for the destruction and deportation of 25–30% of the population from Poland, 80% from Lithuania, 85% from Western Ukraine, within 85–65 years % from Belarus and 75% each from Latvia, Estonia and the Czech Republic. (I will not quote about Russia: and so everything is clear)
        Neither in the Czech Republic, nor in Poland did the South-Bolsheviks exist and were not foreseen; in the same Poland, the bearers of communist ideology were persecuted no worse than in the Third Reich. However...
        It seems that this is not a confrontation of ideologies, but drang nach Ost, heavily involved in racial theory.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 June 2020 11: 16 New
          -1
          As part of the expansion of living space for the sake of building national socialism - providing finance, territories and products of one nation at the expense of others
        2. Crane
          Crane 24 June 2020 16: 05 New
          -1
          A secret document initiated by Himmler called the master plan “Ost” was presented to him on July 15, 1940. The plan envisaged the destruction and deportation of 25–30% of the population from Poland, 80% from Lithuania, 85% from Western Ukraine, within 85–65 years % from Belarus and 75% each from Latvia, Estonia and the Czech Republic. (
          ============
          Where can I look at this plan? According to many publications, this is a fake. As well as the secret protocols of 1939 between the USSR and Germany.
          PS I do not whitewash Germany ...
          With all due respect.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 24 June 2020 11: 56 New
        0
        Hitler as they said. The Slavs, led by the Yudo-Bolsheviks, adopted an ideology that threatened the survival of the German nation with their internationalism.

        And attacked France with England. Got a direction? :)
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 June 2020 12: 03 New
          +1
          Why lost? In Mine Kampf it was clearly spelled out - the external enemy of France, the internal Jews. He did not want to fight the British, Churchill's personal, sharply anti-Hitler position played a role.
          1. Avior
            Avior 24 June 2020 12: 27 New
            -2
            in mine kapp and with the USSR he did not plan to fight, he waited for it to fall apart
            And on 2 fronts, too, did not plan to fight
            But it was 1925
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 24 June 2020 15: 20 New
              -2
              1927, EMNIP
              He did not write anything about the attack, he wrote about the danger of the Bolshevism led by the Jews of the existence of any nation
              1. Avior
                Avior 24 June 2020 16: 08 New
                -1
                I mean living space
                At the beginning of the 20s, many in the world expected that the USSR was unviable and that it would fall apart.
                Hitler deduced from this that the Russians normally lived under the leadership of the Germans, Russian tsars
                And from the age of 17, as he writes, Jews began to lead the Russians, and the question of the collapse of the USSR is a matter of time
                That is, in Mine Kapp the question of war with the USSR was not, according to his views, then the Germans would go into the collapsed USSR (Many emigrants from Russia had similar ideas)
                He attributed the revolution to the Jews, but, on the other hand, at that time Amira was also quite common, Churchill, for example, thought it was similar, although there were differences.
                Hitler first of all complained about the Jews against the Germans - he believed that they had betrayed the Germans, lied to the German General Staff the most monstrous lie that is often mentioned
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 24 June 2020 16: 11 New
                  -1
                  Claims were against German (a stab in the back) and against the West (power of capital) and the Soviet (communism-internationalism). He began to speak about living space for a long time being in power
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 June 2020 16: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              in mine kapp and with the USSR he did not plan to fight

              Apparently only because primarily Mein Kampf, it program document in which the future Fuhrer outlined his theory of racial superiority of the "Aryans", which in turn determined his subsequent plans for the future of the "German Reich" and the fate of enslaved peoples ...
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 24 June 2020 19: 24 New
            0
            And what did he write about Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Norway, etc.?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 24 June 2020 19: 38 New
              -2
              And what did he write about Eva Brown and Blondie? Did he really want to kill Blondie? laughing
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 June 2020 09: 11 New
    +2
    Cedmi is very disingenuous. Carriers of "European values" are beneficial to represent this war as a confrontation between communists and Nazis. Stupid statement by showman Kedmi.
    Europeans went to kill to cleanse the space from the peoples of Russia. And they did it en masse, incredibly cruel and with pleasure. Evidence of this is the methods of war, the painful death of millions of prisoners of war, the occupation regime. It was a war of nations.

    ps From Kedmi, I would love to hear about the details of the Israeli special operations, the history of the diaspora, and the state. And for the history of Russia, his "outsider tips" are simply meaningless.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 June 2020 09: 31 New
      +1
      showman cedmie's statement

      I saw a video on YouTube where Kedmi and some guy discussed, among other things, Zircon.
      As soon as they called, and "Cycron", and "Citron".
      It would seem that if you consider yourself to be such great experts, well, take the trouble to reproduce the name of the product correctly. But probably they were worried about something else.
  • comradChe
    comradChe 24 June 2020 09: 16 New
    -1
    I respect the Jews, and Kedmi - especially. Directly, clearly and to the point. Bravo!
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 17 New
    0
    The USA supported Great Britain, who fought with Hitler. On March 11, 1941, Roosevelt signed the Law on Lend Lisa to London, and from November 1941 to the USSR .. As for ideology, everything is correct. People fought for the Soviet Motherland; in such a situation, the Republic of Ingushetia would have folded its paws.
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 24 June 2020 09: 18 New
    -10
    Cunning Yakov Kedmi. In fascist propaganda, the Soviet Union was never mentioned as a state or ideological structure. The ideology of Germany at that time was built on the struggle against Bolshevism and the ideas of communism. When the German army captured Kiev, the special services did not organize mass genocide of the population. They destroyed only the Bolsheviks, the Communists and drove all the Jews into the ghetto. And for example, the Romanian army captured Odessa. There were no punitive actions at all. And Odessa Jews survived the occupation perfectly and even Jewish shops worked. And the most vivid examples were repeatedly shown to us by cinema. After the battle, the Germans built captured Red Army soldiers in a line, and no one shot the inhabitants of the Soviet Union. Only communists, commissars and Jews led to the execution pit.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 09: 27 New
      +4
      And in the villages burned by the punitive, along with the elderly and children, were there all Communists? In the besieged Leningrad alone did the Bolsheviks live? No, it was a deliberate genocide of our peoples.
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 24 June 2020 09: 46 New
        -2
        You correctly said that the villages burned punishers. No one burned the village with the inhabitants immediately after the capture of the village. And they burned the village, that is, punished, usually for the support of partisans and saboteurs. Typically, the Germans themselves did not participate in punitive actions. The same Khatyn burned with the people of the Lithuanian-Ukrainian battalion. But the Soviet ideology of tolerant kept silent about the nationality of the punitive.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 June 2020 09: 35 New
      -1
      About 30 thousand Jews were killed in Odessa
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 24 June 2020 09: 19 New
    +1
    Cedmi is absolutely right ... we fought with the combined Nazi forces all over Europe ... with the support of world financial circles ... all these European SS divisions are especially indicative ... for example, the Danish one which completely contained the royal house ... or the French (the last Hitler’s defenders) who laid down their heads for fascism in numbers exceeding the losses of France against (short war + free De Gaulle France) ... Czechs - Reich weapons workshops ... and other and other ...
  • Campanella
    Campanella 24 June 2020 09: 29 New
    +1
    Kedmi is well done and he's right!
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 24 June 2020 09: 43 New
    +1
    Our leadership of the country and most of the media really in every possible way avoid the ideological foundations of events, deeds and exposition of relations between peoples and groups of Russian society. So, in the draft amendments to the constitution, not a word about ideology in the state, but it is she, IDEOLOGY, that determines what is good and what is bad ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 June 2020 09: 58 New
    0
    It was a war against Bolshevism. War against ideology
    It was a war precisely against the Russian people to be destroyed by the West before this ideology, they all the same climbed to Russia, they always had anger, envy, a lot of inferiority complexes from the awareness of their inferiority.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 24 June 2020 10: 21 New
    -2
    Omission of Peskov.
  • tatra
    tatra 24 June 2020 10: 25 New
    -3
    On the territory of the USSR, the people all 100 years after the October Revolution are divided into Soviet and ANTI-Soviet. And a united Europe led by Hitler, together with the anti-Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, attacked the USSR and the Soviet people, and destroyed 26 million Soviet people. And the ideology of the anti-Soviet people after the capture of the USSR is the justification of the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, the praise of their accomplices of their number of citizens of the USSR, and malice against the Soviet people, who defeated those.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 11: 53 New
      +2
      At all times and peoples, people were divided into two groups: patriots and collaborators.
      1. tatra
        tatra 24 June 2020 12: 05 New
        +1
        Well, so I wrote about this. The Soviet people is a patriot people, he made his country and the life of the people better than it was in the Russian Empire, and proved that he was for the best for his country and people. And from the anti-Soviet people always, during the Soviet era, and after the capture of the USSR, there was only harm to the country and people, and huge sacrifices to the people, and he proved that he was only for the worst for his country and people, and the anti-Soviet people are a collaborating traitor by mentality. That is why, some representatives of the anti-Soviet people in the Civil and Great Patriotic War ran millions to play idiots in front of the invaders of their homeland, invaders and Nazis, while others, after the capture of the USSR, made these collaborators their heroes. That is why the anti-Soviet people betrayed their benefactors to Gorbachev and Yeltsin and threw them to the Soviet people. That is why your anti-Soviet people are not able to protect each other - if only for the sake of profit or for money.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 12: 17 New
          0
          Quite an anti-Soviet emigrant, ideological opponents of the Soviet regime, with might and main participated in the resistance movements of the occupied countries of Europe, believing that they help the Russian people and their homeland with this. And the main Hitler lackey, General Vlasov and his minions, were communists. Like Brigadefuhrer SS Kaminsky. So that people can be patriots of the homeland, negatively related to the state. And vice versa.
          1. tatra
            tatra 24 June 2020 12: 24 New
            +2
            That is why the Communists hanged Vlasov for treason, and you, the enemies of the Communists, made him your "hero", "fighter against communism." And the most important traitors on the territory of the USSR are the enemies of the communists who betrayed their country and people. millions fled to indulge the invaders of the Homeland and Hitlerites to indulge in millions of servants, kholuyski worshiped the enemy of their Motherland - the West, after seizing the republics of the USSR they ran to lay them under the West, pretended to be Communists and their stooges for decades, and then betrayed them, and 30 years after the seizure of the USSR betray and each other.
  • Slavs
    Slavs 24 June 2020 10: 47 New
    +5
    Precisely because Putin had an ideology and did not mention it ... He did not miss, not a stupid person ...
    All who write on their machines - "We can repeat!" - they just won’t repeat it ... There is no one to repeat it already ... There is no ideology at all ... Therefore, he did not mention it in his article ...
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 24 June 2020 11: 29 New
    -2
    It is amazing how friendly compatriots Kedmi supported. They supported very unanimously and unanimously. In the ranks of his compatriots, iron discipline.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 24 June 2020 18: 06 New
      +1
      In the ranks of his compatriots, iron discipline ,,
      Firstly, envy is a bad feeling and secondly: are you a nationalist?
  • About 2
    About 2 24 June 2020 11: 38 New
    +1
    Sneakers smart guy and now it is once again confirmed!
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 24 June 2020 11: 57 New
    +1
    In Russia, power is anti-Soviet. All its representatives, starting with the president, have an acute allergy to everything SOVIET. Even a simple mention.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 24 June 2020 12: 27 New
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      But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 26 June 2020 07: 49 New
        0
        But the Communist Party of course there were no people ...
  • Fidel
    Fidel 24 June 2020 12: 28 New
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    You would think that in the case of a non-communist ideology, there would be no war? Do not tell, Yasha. Now type capitalism in Russia. AND.....? We all kiss the loin as blacks in the SGA? The reasons are deeper. And at the same time easier.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 24 New
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    Quote: To be or not to be
    Cunning Yakov Kazakov

    Justify. winked
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    But Vladimir Vladimirovich ... He was a member of the CPSU.

    Or I'm wrong?

    And ... next? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: LAWNER
    The author is cunning ... Ex-intelligence officers do not happen

    Of course - if he is a REAL employee.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 29 New
    -1
    Quote: Fidel
    You would think that in the case of a non-communist ideology, there would be no war? Do not tell, Yasha. Now type capitalism in Russia. AND.....? We all kiss the loin as blacks in the SGA? The reasons are deeper. And at the same time easier.

    And still weak. I mean, to call you something like - Maurice Thorez, or Che Guevara? wassat
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    And in the villages burned by the punitive, along with the elderly and children, were there all Communists? In the besieged Leningrad alone did the Bolsheviks live? No, it was a deliberate genocide of our peoples.

    Do you have a history of problems, or are you on purpose ...? At least look at the mouthpiece of power - the Zvezda TV channel. lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 41 New
    -2
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

    Baby - how much does the US State Department, Voice of America, Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle pay you, well, or maybe USAID for this chernukha? winked lol wassat tongue
    I would like to know if you don’t understand, I’m in kind, maybe I will also earn. If what - in a personal write. wassat
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 47 New
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    Quote: Gaubvaxta
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

    I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody .. hi
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

    Experience, son of difficult mistakes. wink . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!

    You are a handsome fighter! Worthy of the "cross with oak leaves," When are you going to hang the "insidious trash"? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: U-58
    What a sympathy there is! The Bolshevik system chose him from among many to a responsible service, which gives a person a certain and rather big power, and he himself entrusted the service with a clear effort. What is there to love?)))))

    Yah? belay And where was Shabak looking? laughing
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 19: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

    Are you ready to hang communists, political officers, like fascists in the Great Patriotic War? sad
  • MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 24 June 2020 21: 08 New
    0
    Expert)))
  • Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 23: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

    Are you ready to hang communists, political officers, like fascists in the Great Patriotic War? sad

    Is ASIvanov the pseudonym of Rabinovich? I did not hear the answer to the question. Did the policeman iron the bandage? lol
  • Orca
    Orca 25 June 2020 06: 19 New
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    Quote: To be or not to be
    Cunning Yakov Kazakov

    What is his cunning, and what is the point of cunning, especially now?
    In this case, the old wise Jew told the truth.
  • Orca
    Orca 25 June 2020 06: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Paranoid50
    ... home under the motto "where nishtyak - there is a house"

    Already funny ... laughing
    And where is it - can you tell me? lol
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 25 June 2020 09: 53 New
    -1
    In principle, the Nazi Nazis have been ruling us for 30 years, who under Pupkin completed their work for Hitler by implementing the plan "OST№
  • Sergey Zhukov_2
    Sergey Zhukov_2 25 June 2020 11: 26 New
    +1
    Duc Putin himself with his bourgeois power-the first enemy of Bolshevism))) in this they are with Hitler and the West at the same time)))
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 June 2020 12: 18 New
    +1
    As they fear communism, the mausoleum was draped back; in the president’s speech there was only a mention of the Soviet People. Everyone, everyone understands that the Soviet PEOPLE were victorious at the head of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union at that time of the CPSU (B.), Under the leadership of STALIN. And the roots of all this lie in what the Soviet People, the Party, STALIN did - Industrialization, Victory in a terrible war, Restoration of the COUNTRY, nuclear, space breakthroughs, to the present high-ranking sitters NEVER do, do not repeat, hence all this anti-whiteness, hysteria, "all kinds of tweaks and jumps." All can be said with one phrase: “Born to crawl, cannot fly”, M. Gorky, song “About the Falcon”.
  • kutuz
    kutuz 25 June 2020 20: 43 New
    +1
    "Expert Kedmi" - and an expert on any issue!