Expert Kedmi spoke about the "omission" in Putin's article on World War II

An article by Vladimir Putin on World War II, written, according to the president himself, on the basis of archival data, including the testimonies of politicians of the 1930s and 40s, is being actively discussed. It is discussed, including in the expert community. A variety of reviews are heard about the article by the President of Russia: from words of support and approval of the material up to the critical version of “9 thousand words of lies,” which was published in the Danish press the other day.

A well-known Israeli political scientist, an ex-employee of one of the Israeli intelligence agencies, Jacob Kedmi, in a teleconference with the studio of TC "Russia 1" noted that Vladimir Putin made one omission in his article. According to Kedmi, Putin, describing the situation in his material, did not specify the ideological component of the confrontation, did not mention that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.

Kedmi noted that the West supported Hitler in his attack on the Soviet Union precisely on ideological principles.

Israeli expert:

It was a war against Bolshevism. The war against the ideology on which the USSR was based. If there were no Soviet Union at that time, then they would not have won the war. And the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from the catastrophe that happened after the First World War with the German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires. And all this is not mentioned ... Not a single word, not a hint. And that was the main part of the war. The ideology was from both Germany and the USSR. And the resistance movement fought against Nazi Germany, since it was mainly communists.

According to Yakov Kedmi, this is exactly what he lacked in the historical analysis, which was carried out by Vladimir Putin.

Kedmi:

Well, who, who, and he certainly should have said this.

Kedmi on "tiny" omission in Putin's article

It seems that Yakov understands that Putin couldn’t DO this omission. For Putin serves what all the communists of the world fought against then and are fighting now, namely against imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism ... pic.twitter.com/ZPdMvuLrc0

- Soviet! (@Soviet_flag) June 23, 2020

Comments

[revnagan]

Yakov well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point.

[To be or not to be]

Cunning Yakov Kazakov

[To be or not to be]

Adolf Hitler's appeal to the German people
in connection with the beginning of the war against the Soviet Union
June 22, 1941 1).
http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/1941gitler.php

[Ilya-spb]

But Vladimir Vladimirovich ... He was a member of the CPSU.

Or I'm wrong?

[Pereira]

It was, yes swam. Now the mausoleum is shy.
However, today one person voiced the opinion that he is not worthy to stand at the mausoleum.

[New Year day]

Quote: Pereira

Now the mausoleum is shy.

and not only! portraits of Stalin and the marshals of the USSR - where?
Please note there are no Red Stars on the T-34.
The day before yesterday they convinced me that they would draw for the parade

[Uncle Izya]

Both Gaidar and Yeltsin

[Fidel]

Michal Sergeich was definitely. Can you compare cases and results?

[The point]

Apparently there is still a difference between a communist and a member of the CPSU.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The task of this front is not to protect individual countries, but to ensure the security of Europe and thereby save everyone.

Recently we often hear (taken from circulation on June 22, 41). And it doesn’t smell like a war of ideologies from the appeal you presented.
In circulation, England is to blame for everything and this is not a communist state of the Bolsheviks. He accuses Moscow of conspiring with Britain and threatens to force 160 divisions, it doesn’t smell of ideology at all.
From the first days of the war there was a total annihilation of the male population of the USSR, death camps grew like mushrooms on the territory of the USSR occupied by fascists. And it is no less strange to see an ideological war in the murder from infants to old people as Bolsheviks, by the Nazis. It was always believed that the Second World War for the Soviet people in WWII was a war for the right to life.
Nazism cannot be an ideology, it is a crime. WWII, this is an attempt to revenge the losers in WWII (offended by the Treaty of Versailles), in the limit of resources and territories.
Yes, in the USSR there was an ideology of communism, but they went to the front to beat Nazi-Nazis, not bourgeois capitalists.

[meandr51]

It was the bourgeois who went to beat. Cruel and greedy bourgeois. However, it would be more accurate to call them slaveholders. Slavic, Asian slaves and their lands were promised to every German.
In the minds of most Soviet fighters and commanders, the instinct of self-preservation, pride in belonging to a great nation, and the ideological hatred of the exploited by the exploiters naturally united. The people perfectly understood that the fascists were going to rule them, suck out all the juices and gradually destroy them. The combination of natural and ideological incentives gave a huge increase in morale compared to other wars.
T.N. "coefficient of courage" - the ratio of those killed to prisoners during the Second World War compared to the period of 1 MV for Soviet (Russians in 1 MV) soldiers, soldiers are 4 times better, for commanders - 10 times. To some extent, this coefficient is better for the Germans. Ideology cannot be discounted.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

And what is the ideology of the British and Americans? Beat the bourgeois too? And Lengism from the capitalists to the Communists? Then how to understand? And last, what was Hitler’s ideology, what did the Soviet Union prevent? You dear cunning, argues that there was a clash against the backdrop of contradictions of the ideologies of states in the likeness of religious warriors. Hitler did not have an ideology poop plan to capture and destroy. All that you described is the internal work of the political instructor, the soldiers were raised to fight against the Nazis, not understanding the essence of what was happening. Only after the liberation of the occupied territory of the USSR did the soldiers get acquainted with the atrocities of the Nazis and gave more confidence in their correctness.

[meandr51]

The correct last statement does not negate the high communist consciousness.
American incentives are simpler. American Soldier Interview: "I Fight Hitler For Mom's Apple Pie And Turkey On July 4th!"
Well, and the results ... Otto Karius (SS tank ace): "Six Russians are more dangerous than 30 Americans."
As for the fascists, read carefully what I wrote about their incentives. However, I must add, since you actually deny their ideology. Without fascist ideology, the Germans would fraternize with the Russians, as in 1 MV. It was ideology that bolstered the stamina and morale of the German war machine! Nobody will give their lives for money and cookies. It's not profitable. And for the idea - will be! And they did. The French SS Legion "Charlemagne" together with the German SS-sheep defended the Reichstag to the last man! It was a war of principles of existence.

[atalef]

Quote: meandr51

American incentives are simpler. American Soldier Interview: "I Fight Hitler For Mom's Apple Pie And Turkey On July 4th!"

Quote: meandr51

No one will give their lives for money and cookies.

You probably did not understand the meaning of what was said by an American soldier

U.S. Independence Day (Eng. Independence Day) - the day of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence of the United States in 1776, which proclaims independence of the United States from the Kingdom of Great Britain; celebrated in the United States on July 4.

Independence Day is considered the birthday of the United States as a free and independent country.

he said that he was fighting for the independence of his country.
Unlike the USSR, in the USA there was no compulsory draft and the bulk were volunteers.

[meandr51]

Perhaps he was referring to independence, although there are options. The association of independence with a bold piece is symptomatic ... As for voluntariness, the US military was paid well, and the ground forces had the opportunity to take advantage of trophies. Amid unemployment and the crisis, these were weighty arguments. In the Air Force, everyone dreamed of drumming off their 60 sorties and returning home.
The everyday life of American aviation is well, albeit somewhat grotesquely, described in the classic book by D. Heller "Catch-22".
I also remembered the message about a unique case when an American soldier got to the Soviet troops through German captivity. After spending a week on the front line, he asked to be kept in the company. He explained it like this: "Here you are at war with the Hans for real! I have my own account with them ..." He fought well, after a few months he was sent to his own.

[atalef]

Quote: meandr51

As for volunteerism, the military in the United States was paid well, and the ground forces had the opportunity to take advantage of trophies.Amid unemployment and the crisis, these were weighty arguments..

epic nonsense.

[meandr51]

Read at least "His Majesty's Cruiser" Ulysses "about who was recruited into the British and American fleets. From 38 to 43 years (maximum production) in the United States, the number of employees increased by only 10 million people. Https: // gezesh. livejournal.com/9899.html Depression gave way to "prosperity" only after the war.

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: To be or not to be

http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/1941gitler.php

And "My Struggle" and the expansion of living space to the Ural Mountains is so, fake ...

[LAWNER]

The author is cunning ... Ex-intelligence officers do not happen

[aybolyt678]

Quote: LAWNER

Ex-intelligence officers do not happen

please explain whose intelligence?

[Fidel]

Yasha is the same scout as a Negro member of the KKK. Clown mumbled.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Fidel

as a black man a member of the KKK.

Oh, that day is not far away, especially in the light of recent events.

[Gaubvaxta]

Quote: To be or not to be

Israeli expert:

Disingenuous is not the right word .. This "Israeli expert ex" has settled in Russia for a reason ..
Again they want to fool Russia with their chatter and then I will laugh, counting the profits .. Guys do not believe them! But the main thing is to watch them .. They are like weathercocks of the political and financial situation of the world ...:

But the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from that catastrophe

The "nightingale" sings beautifully .. Only then a knife can be stuck in the back .. Damascus was bombed today, where a lot of our specialists may have killed someone ..
And the answer is impossible .. Oh Russia naive soul

[To be or not to be]

On March 4, 2015, an open meeting was held in Chisinau with Jacob Kedmi, a military-political expert, ex-head of the Israeli special service "Nativ".

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gaubvaxta

Well, why are you doing this? He is a Jew and a Jew in Africa .. Now he says so, tomorrow is different .. How many of them were in Russia and remain ..
Dostoevsky was right nevertheless ..

Are you anti-Semite?

[Gaubvaxta]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Are you anti-Semite?

No, I'm Russian! But shaw, a little against and immediately call names ..

[Volodin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Are you anti-Semite?

He’s a bot provocateur.

Quote: Gaubvaxta

No, I'm Russian!

Russian? It's not even funny anymore ... A Russian is a person for whom the concept of "friendship of peoples" is characteristic. For bots and trolls, this concept is unknown.

[Cheldon]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Are you anti-Semite?

If a Jew, for example, a "leftist", criticizes a Jew of a "right" wing (Zionist), then who is an anti-Semite, can you tell me?

[To be or not to be]

It's not about nationality .. He worked for his new homeland

Moreover, he boasts about the departure of 1.5 million Soviet Jews organized by him from the USSR - scientists, doctors, engineers ..., and with them technologies ... that the state of Israel itself saved at one time and negatively affected fate The Soviet Union ... If you were eager for the native. So that again frequented a preacher to the old? How funny and ugly it all looks, looks and leads to bad thoughts

[Paranoid50]

Quote: To be or not to be

If he was eager for the primordial. So that he again frequented the preacher to the old?

Duc, he is not alone. And you don’t need to go anywhere for examples. I am sure you are familiar with a bunch of Israeli runners that hang around here on an ongoing basis. And yes, the point is not in nationality, but in the rotten bestial nature of some organisms.
These multi-passport "citizens of the world" on occasion will just as easily surrender their current dwelling under the motto "where there is a nishtyak, there is a home."
And Yasha ... Yes, he beautifully threw it for the Communists. And how he fled from them, how he fled ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: To be or not to be

If he was eager for the primordial. So that he again frequented the preacher to the old?

Duc, he is not alone. And you don’t need to go anywhere for examples. I am sure you are familiar with a bunch of Israeli runners that hang around here on an ongoing basis. And yes, the point is not in nationality, but in the rotten bestial nature of some organisms.
These multi-passport "citizens of the world" on occasion will just as easily surrender their current dwelling under the motto "where there is a nishtyak, there is a home."
And Yasha ... Yes, he beautifully threw it for the Communists. And how he fled from them, how he fled ...

Heh I'm one of them Multi-passers, who at 35 years old can already live in any country in the world, exactly where it is better. Such, we, the runners-up, nature Live where there is more dough

[meandr51]

Different are Jews. I know well one (he is 80 years old) who served as a radiometer on the reconnaissance ship during the Kiriban crisis. So he still writes on his rather old kayak the name of this ship (converted from a German seiner), and we, in the company of elderly tourists on the White Sea, every year merrily celebrate the day of the USSR Navy!
Do you think it was conspiratorial?

[Gaubvaxta]

Quote: To be or not to be

Moreover, he boasts about the departure of 1.5 million Soviet Jews organized by him from the USSR - scientists, doctors, engineers ..., and with them technologies ... that the state of Israel itself saved at one time and negatively affected fate Soviet Union

So yes .. Now he has returned to Russia again and sings like a nightingale on all channels .. See, the money is over and again he is preparing to save Jews from the "bloody regime" ..)))))) How much does he charge for the export of an "engineer" trained in the military-industrial complex ? Prices jump and shekels too ..

[Uncle Izya]

Come on in Eaton -tv against Russia, I didn’t say anything like that. What nasty things were said against Nevzlin now they don’t invite him

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gaubvaxta

But the Soviet Union won the war because they (the people) fought not only for their country, but in many ways because they fought precisely for the SOVIET Union. Because this ideology saved the Soviet Union and with it Russia from that catastrophe

The "nightingale" sings beautifully .. Only then a knife can be stuck in the back .. Damascus was bombed today, where a lot of our specialists may have killed someone ..
And the answer is impossible .. Oh Russia naive soul

How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself? This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

[Gaubvaxta]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody ..

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

Experience, son of difficult mistakes. . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gaubvaxta

Quote: aleksejkabanets

How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody ..

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

Experience, son of difficult mistakes. . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!

You would essentially answer the questions asked better, rather than trying to jump to the side.

[Uncle Izya]

This nightingale is cunning, they say Putin said the truth

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: To be or not to be

I wanted. That stamp collectors confirmed the presence of such.

Common crap. During the war, opponents spanked propaganda stamps with Hitler, with Stalin, etc. in various perversions. Call them brands only in form. Israel then was not in the project. Ruklabludy.
You are the owner of a masterpiece.

[To be or not to be]

understood agree thanks

[aglet]

photoshop is called

[Wolverine]

Quote: To be or not to be

Cunning Yakov Kazakov

When Jacob says, Solovyov is silent like a fish - it’s difficult to argue against Yasha.

[knn54]

The people also realized (somewhere around four months later) that whoever is against Stalin is against the Motherland.
And almost all of Europe rose precisely against the USSR.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: knn54

And practically all of Europe has risen It is against the USSR.

Really?
More specifically. Europe gave its national SS legions, separate units. This is the ideology of fascism, the superiority of supermen, dizzy. Only Hungarians, Romanians and Finns fought with us fully in armies. Not much for ALL. The economy of Europe, yes, but Hitler had his own cockroaches in his head. The Germans, having the potential of the whole of Europe, could not deliver and mobilize it, subordinate it to the needs of the front.
Communists were mowed throughout Europe and there were .... legion. But the Gestapo worked.

[Rakovor]

The Italians have been forgotten.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Rakovor

The Italians have been forgotten.

Just ignored, well, if it’s important ....

[audigamma]

Another victim of the exam. Read the literature of those who fought against the USSR and who sent volunteers for the war with the USSR. Almost all of Europe. And who helped Germany with resources from supposedly neutral countries.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: audigamma

Another victim of the exam.

I sympathize. From sleeping ?.

[snucerist]

Almost all of Europe is Great Britain with dominions, Poland, France, Belgium, Greece, Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia?
And at the final stage of the war Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Finland, Italy?
Have you ever passed the exam?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: audigamma

Another victim of the exam. Read the literature of those who fought against the USSR and who sent volunteers for the war with the USSR. Almost all of Europe. And who helped Germany with resources from supposedly neutral countries.

Rather, the victim of official propaganda. Nothing, I suppose soon the refrigerator will triumph over the TV.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Rather, the victim of official propaganda. Nothing, I suppose soon the refrigerator will triumph over the TV.

The victim is fried at the stake. Especially those who sing in unison with the State Department. As for the refrigerator, the TV, then this is vital for you.

[Alex Justice]

Exam failed too?

[Campanella]

So they are a gang! And now the same thing! Imperialist gang! The freedom of which they sing is a bugbear for those who do not fit into their world order!

[Andrey Stavropolsky]

What nonsense do you have in your head? I do not associate my homeland with either Stalin or Putin or anyone else. My Homeland is land, people, language and culture. Everything else is temporary.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Andrey Stavropolsky

What nonsense do you have in your head? I do not associate my homeland with either Stalin or Putin or anyone else. My Homeland is land, people, language and culture. Everything else is temporary.

That is, you absolutely do not care what kind of group stands at the head of state and where does it lead our country?

[Incvizitor]

Rather, not against the USSR, but for fascist Germany, the embodiment of all "Western values" at that time.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: revnagan

Jacob well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point

He correctly noted. And Putin correctly missed ... He would have said about ideology - and nobody else would have even taken the rest of the historical content of the article - would have attacked it ...

[Basil50]

I've always been wondering, what kind of * ideology * came under the declaration of war of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE on the part of Germany-Austria in 1914?
But then the king and the Kaiser were relatives, like most of the titled nobility, calibrated with imported nobles. Because of what actually?
No ideology other than - * conquered lands and slaves * is not visible either in 1914 or in 1941. And the words in Europe can speak different. Do not believe them
In Putin, this is precisely what he emphasized, but diplomatically.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vasily50

I've always been wondering what kind of * ideology * came under the declaration of war of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE from Germany-Austria in 1914

No one hid ... the protection of the Slav brothers from Austria-Hungary ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Russia has always been a bone in the throat for Europe. Regardless of who was in our power: the emperor, the secretary general or the president.

[Basil50]

arrow
Own ignorance is not so obvious ..............
In 1914, the Germans and Austrians declared war on the RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
And further. For the ignorant.
Even under Wilhelm’s grandfather No. 2, the Germans organized a ministry for colonial affairs, which, in addition to Africa, included the lands of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. German rogue noblemen received money through this ministry and bought land for the formation of latifundia in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE.

[Alekseev]

'Do not subtract, do not add'
You can add.
Not only Western partners directed Hitler against communism, but also AGAINST the USSR as the heir to the Russian Empire. Today it is perfectly visible with the naked eye.
They admitted the victory of the Bolsheviks on the basis of the belief that this power would ruin a great country and would fall apart, not in 70 years, much earlier.
But ... miscalculated both there and there.

[revnagan]

Quote: Alekseev

but also AGAINST the USSR as the heir to the Russian Empire.

Yes, the collective West does not care about the heirs of the "Russian Empire." In the Russian Empire, the West did its business excellently. Both German and French and other capitals felt like a fish in water. If not for the Great October Socialist Revolution, then in a couple of decades the Western capital would receive a controlling block of shares, from RI there would be "AO Russia". It was the USSR that broke their plans to buy Russia, it was in the USSR that the collective West saw the root of all its "troubles" . Well and resources, of course. Where without them ....

[Alekseev]

Quote: revnagan

the collective West does not care about the heirs of the "Russian Empire" The West did its business excellently

You hurried it ....
Where is that revolution and the Bolsheviks now, because, according to historical standards, very little time has passed? But in order to sell resources to the "sharks of kamitalizma" there is a strong competition, as well as for the fact that

Quote: revnagan

The West did an excellent job

, i.e. invested ...
But the struggle of the West against Russia and Russophobia reached almost a climax in peacetime. So, the point is not only in "the Bolsheviks, or the communists ..." Here we can see precisely the anti-Russian orientation, the struggle against a nation that can compete on this planet. After all, it is impossible to live well and consume like the United States and other "billionaires of gold" ... In addition, the one who can slap you on the hat on occasion is considered dangerous, regardless of whether the king is there or the secretary general. The same can be said about the struggle between the West and China, etc.

[Roman Zykov]

According to Jacob, the Germans turned out to come to us as liberators in order to save our people from the atrocities of Bolshevism. and this he says the main reason) This is especially evident in the way Hitler saved Jews) For me, these tales about ideology are typical words of all Vlasov and other traitors

[tihonmarine]

Quote: revnagan

Yakov well done. As they say, neither add nor turn down. To the point.

I respect this Hades, he says more than all our politicians.

[Deniska999]

In general, the entire article was written for the last paragraphs about the need for a new summit of the UN Security Council member countries.

[fider]

Kedmi is great against sheep. You need to add this: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = qM5RuzYIQTA

[parusnik]

There are still omissions in the article about the Moscow Treaty, etc., but Kedmi singled out the main ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: revnagan

Kedmi:
Well, who, who, and he certainly should have said this.

Already someone, but he certainly will not say that. For it refers to communism, to put it mildly, without sympathy.

[U-58]

What a sympathy there is! The Bolshevik system chose him from among many to a responsible service, which gives a person a certain and rather big power, and he himself entrusted the service with a clear effort. What is there to love?)))))

[Boris55]

Quote: U-58

... Bolshevik system ...

The power of the Bolsheviks was from 1924 to 1955. Before and after the power was in the hands of the Trotskyists. Let me remind you. All decisions in the party are made by a majority vote.

[U-58]

Kedmi's words are all the more valuable because they were written by a man who himself once escaped the "horrors of communism" and headed the special service that helped other children of Zion escape.
That is, there is an objective approach

[D16]

Kedmi's words are all the more valuable because they were written by a man who himself once escaped the "horrors of communism"

And I still cannot understand how this "expert", who had once already betrayed his country, is allowed into Russia and allowed to earn money on the fucking thing he is carrying. It is high time to evict these "returnees" back. Let them work in their new homeland.

[Stas157]

Quote: U-58

they were written by a man who himself once escaped from the "horrors of communism"

If a Jew goes to his homeland, then it means necessarily runs from the "horrors of communism"? You have a strange setting! What horrors then fled the numerous Jews who came to Israel from a well-fed Europe? The fact that Jews came from the USSR means that there was such an opportunity, no matter what they say about totalitarianism!

Jacob Kedmi wrote everything correctly. I respect the opinion of this expert.

[U-58]

What is strange about the production, if I put everything in quotes?
In addition, I am a Soviet man of communist convictions and an opponent of the tricolor, "The only Russia" and its proteges

[Stas157]

Quote: U-58

I am a Soviet man of communist convictions and an opponent of the tricolor, "The only Russia" and its proteges

I fully support you, colleague!

[New Year day]

Quote: U-58

That is, there is an objective approach

thought so too! But somehow he began to notice that it was too painful often for him to push Russia to power actions somewhere.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

There is nothing simple to justify fascism and the actions of European Nazis on the territory of the USSR, how to hide behind a battle of ideologies. They spit on ideology (a fairy tale for sheep), had completely different goals.

[Sly]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

There is nothing simple to justify fascism and the actions of European Nazis on the territory of the USSR, how to hide behind a battle of ideologies.

I agree - the ideologies that we have, that the Germans had to rally society, but the goals of the war are completely different. Therefore, the war between Germany and the USSR cannot be called a battle of ideologies, of course they were present in it, but only along the way.

[Egoza]

Quote: Sly

Therefore, the war between Germany and the USSR cannot be called a battle of ideologies, of course they were present in it, but only along the way.
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Wow along the way! It was ideology that was the core on which the spirit of our soldiers, partisans, and underground workers rested. Allowed them to withstand inhuman torment and perform real feats. Right Kedmi! He said this openly.
P.S. But as ideology died, so sausages fried over eternal flame, and golden youth like M. Bogdasaryan got it.

[AU Ivanov.]

When you see burnt cities, murdered women and children, enslaved people, you will not be up to ideologies. You will take revenge.
"... So kill the fascist so that he
And you did not lie on the ground,
Not in your house to moan,
And he stood by him in the dead.
So he wanted, his guilt, -
Let his house burn, and not yours,
And let not your wife,
And let him be a widow.
Let her cry out not yours,
And his born mother,
Not yours, but his family
Ponaprasnu let him wait.
So kill at least one!
So kill him quickly!
How many times will you see him,
So many times and kill him! "
K. Simonov.

[Sly]

Quote: Egoza

Wow along the way! It was ideology that was the core on which the spirit of our soldiers, partisans, and underground workers rested.

I do not deny this, and of course I agree with this. It is a pity that you did not understand me.

[U-58]

You confuse the struggle of the ideologies of the two states and the internal ideology as a support rod in mobilizing the people to fight the invader

[Viktor Sergeev]

Putin just tried to soften. It was also necessary to emphasize the role of all "European" countries, except Great Britain, in the war with the USSR. I think the next article and I need to write about how countries such as Denmark, France, Holland, etc. supplied Germany with soldiers, weapons, equipment, etc.

[abrakadabre]

I think the next article and I need to write about how countries such as Denmark, France, Holland, etc. supplied Germany with soldiers, weapons, equipment, etc.

Such an analysis should already be not so much on the political as on the economic plane: who, how much when invested in the fascist common fund for the war against the USSR. True, this will entail the need to mention transnational corporations of the same allies. But this was not touched, not punished (not even voiced) even at the Nuremberg trials.

[Boris55]

Putin said exactly what he was supposed to convey to "progressive" humanity.
Well, how do the Communists oppose the social guarantees of the working people, to us comrade Zyuganov lucidly explained.

[Mavrikiy]

he did not specify the ideological component of the confrontation; he did not mention that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.

Kedmi is cunning what to take from him ..... Yes, they were and strengthened us, and the CPSU (b), and ideology. But, if the VKP (b) were not in power, the war would still have been. For Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was pathological. West - there is no West (cringes), there is England, always suffering from indigestion, and a bunch of "always hungry", including France. And England did not care, the USSR, not the USSR, if only there was no Russia.

And that was the main part of the war.

Well, this is ideological nonsense at the 8th grade level of the Soviet school, solid knowledge affects Kedmi.

[Timon2155]

The war was fought against the Russians. At all times. The destruction of the Russians is the goal of the West. What does ideology have to do with it? She helped, no doubt. But the enemy has always rushed towards us, regardless of ideology. And almost always we won up! Jacob takes a lot on himself: Russia must do so, sort of, Putin wrote not that, it was necessary like this. This opinion is just an Israeli leader; one should not take it for truth.

[Campanella]

Even the "civilized" West needs excuses for its aggressive plans, ideological differences are the best fit for this. The imperialists are imperialists! Syria, Iraq, Libya also had capitalism, but they got to the bottom of insufficient democracy by accusing the rulers of genocide and dictatorship.
Democracy and human rights are respected by them, and even then not always, only in their territories, and they don’t give a damn about the rest. Cedmi is a thousand times right! Imperialism is a great universal evil that feeds any shoots of the rational.

[AU Ivanov.]

Hitler went to expand the living space for the "superior race" And he didn't care who was in power with these "Untermenshes" and what their ideology was.

[KERMET]

To everyone who thinks that Kedmi's words "ideological nonsense" I advise you to repeat history and remember how diligently fascism was nurtured and pumped up with finances, Hitler appeared thanks to Western democracies as a sword against the communist union. That is, the USSR would not have appeared that Hitler as his history knows

[AU Ivanov.]

At all times, a strong independent Russia was a scarecrow for the West, no matter who was in power. It seems that now the communist government has rested in Bose, but all the same Russia is encircling NATO with military bases. The sword is not against the Communists - against the Russians they have ground it and are now sharpening it.

[KERMET]

Well, but as you say an independent and strong Russia (before the revolution) never threatened Western values ​​and territories in the West, in World War I Russia was just on the side of the Western powers against Germany, but as soon as the USSR appeared on Versailles restrictions (read by the way which they were) with respect to Germany, they close their eyes and calmly watch a monster grow up from a defeated Germany .... What did the influential ruling circles of England and France go off the roof or suddenly the memory wander off? No, it’s just a forged instrument in an ideological war

[AU Ivanov.]

If my memory serves me, then the USSR provided polygons to Germany when it was still the Weimar Republic. And he actively collaborated with her in the military-technical sphere. Incidentally, quietly from the Entente countries that strangled Germany with indemnities.
Western values ​​of RI may not have threatened, but it threatened Western interests, as a result of the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Crimean campaign. And do not forget that Russians for Europe have always been second-class people, what used to be, what is now.

[To be or not to be]

It is clear the ideology of Germany (and indeed all of Europe and America) and the USSR as the reason for their confrontation can be pushed into the days when two opposing ideologies
But. Now. When Russia returned to the capitalist camp - why, again and again, the whole organized west attacks Russia .. It seems that the point is not in ideology

[KERMET]

On what front did Russia attack? Now, apart from the financial spheres of influence, there are no contradictions between capitalist Russia and Western countries.

[Alex Justice]

And did Hitler attack France and England because he did not like the Communists?

[Doccor18]

that the war was fought against the communist Soviet Union.

What are you? Even then, the villages were completely burned. There are no communists left either. And children in VKPb were not accepted at all.
The war was made against the Russian people. War of annihilation. Against the people, not against the communists.

Kedmi noted that the West supported Hitler in his attack on the Soviet Union precisely on ideological principles.

There was no communism in the Russian Empire. And the West in all history has only done what it planned to destroy and dismember. And only a Russian soldier prevented these plans.

[KERMET]

The West almost reached its goals after the February Revolution (a weak, pro-Western interim government ready to sell all stocks and resources), but the coming of the Communists broke them all. If the USSR had not appeared as a threat to the entire capitalist system, no Hitler would have appeared as a Fuhrer - the maximum controlled by the petty chancellor of a defeated country

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

If there were no Soviet Union at that time, then they would not have won the war.

Do not quite understand.
He wants to say that if there were no USSR, and there was still the Russian Empire, would the war be lost?

[Krasnodar]

That's right. And he is right.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

How, then, did the Russian Empire win the Patriotic War of 1812?

[Krasnodar]

A slightly different time is a much smaller role of industry, etc.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Not suitable. So you can explain anything.
However, it is impossible to deny that RI successfully conducted many wars, significantly expanding its borders, and establishing itself as a superpower.
And making a fetish from the USSR is stupid.

[Krasnodar]

Making a fetish from the USSR is stupid - I agree. But RI lost the First World War, before the collapse, losing to the Germans all of Poland, a significant part of Belarus and the Baltic states.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The crisis observed in the Republic of Ingushetia from the beginning of the 20th century reached its climax by 1917. Thus, the First World War became the last straw, which entailed a cascading collapse of the entire system.

[Krasnodar]

Defeats on the German front were not the cause of the crisis of the Empire. In 1914 there was patriotism, etc. It was just that RI was not ready for this kind of war because of the low rates of industrialization, the Bolsheviks had a different situation.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The Bolsheviks tightened nuts as much as possible, rather than being liberal with the population. And they did it right. That is what allowed them to increase labor productivity.

[Krasnodar]

Not only. Industrialization, the transfer of the bulk of the population to cities, the most efficient evacuation of industry beyond the Urals and its launch, constant pressure on the allies in their interests, etc.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

It was all possible to do this thanks to constant ideological pumping and severe repressions fined.
If we do about the same now, then over the next twenty to thirty years, Russia would change beyond recognition.
But alas. They are trying to softer with the people, but he will not appreciate it, and he will still mutter that everything is wrong and that’s not it.

[Krasnodar]

I fully and completely agree.

[Avior]

Controversial statement.
Of course, all the large states of that time competed with each other in various spheres, but the Russian empire did not have such deep political contradictions as the West and the USSR did with the other states of that time.
Under such conditions, the anti-Hitler alliance could have formed much earlier, which in itself would limit Hitler’s claim to expansion.

[Krasnodar]

Or anti-Hitler, or anti-Russian. Ideological contradictions are an important thing. For domestic consumption

[Avior]

The world revolution is not a completely internal consumption, a non-empty ideology, but a very real practice, whatever form it takes

[Krasnodar]

Like National Socialism - providing one people at the expense of others. Moreover, under each ideology there is its own theoretical base - in this case, the class or racial struggle. However, the Nazis collaborated with the initially considered relaxed-inferior Japanese Asians, the Bolsheviks with the outspoken capitalist Hammer, etc.

[Avior]

The creation of a system of communist courts in the world is not a theory, but more than a practice
It was she who limited the creation of the anti-Hitler coalition

[Jurkovs]

Not right Kedmi. It was an inter-civilization war. Yes, and in the Ost plan it was said about the subhuman Slavs and was not mentioned about their ideology.

[Krasnodar]

Hitler as they said. The Slavs, led by the Yudo-Bolsheviks, adopted an ideology that threatened the survival of the German nation with their internationalism.

[AU Ivanov.]

A secret document initiated by Himmler called the master plan “Ost” was presented to him on July 15, 1940. The plan provided for the destruction and deportation of 25–30% of the population from Poland, 80% from Lithuania, 85% from Western Ukraine, within 85–65 years % from Belarus and 75% each from Latvia, Estonia and the Czech Republic. (I will not quote about Russia: and so everything is clear)
Neither in the Czech Republic, nor in Poland did the South-Bolsheviks exist and were not foreseen; in the same Poland, the bearers of communist ideology were persecuted no worse than in the Third Reich. However...
It seems that this is not a confrontation of ideologies, but drang nach Ost, heavily involved in racial theory.

[Krasnodar]

As part of the expansion of living space for the sake of building national socialism - providing finance, territories and products of one nation at the expense of others

[Crane]

A secret document initiated by Himmler called the master plan “Ost” was presented to him on July 15, 1940. The plan envisaged the destruction and deportation of 25–30% of the population from Poland, 80% from Lithuania, 85% from Western Ukraine, within 85–65 years % from Belarus and 75% each from Latvia, Estonia and the Czech Republic. (
============
Where can I look at this plan? According to many publications, this is a fake. As well as the secret protocols of 1939 between the USSR and Germany.
PS I do not whitewash Germany ...
With all due respect.

[Alex Justice]

Hitler as they said. The Slavs, led by the Yudo-Bolsheviks, adopted an ideology that threatened the survival of the German nation with their internationalism.

And attacked France with England. Got a direction? :)

[Krasnodar]

Why lost? In Mine Kampf it was clearly spelled out - the external enemy of France, the internal Jews. He did not want to fight the British, Churchill's personal, sharply anti-Hitler position played a role.

[Avior]

in mine kapp and with the USSR he did not plan to fight, he waited for it to fall apart
And on 2 fronts, too, did not plan to fight
But it was 1925

[Krasnodar]

1927, EMNIP
He did not write anything about the attack, he wrote about the danger of the Bolshevism led by the Jews of the existence of any nation

[Avior]

I mean living space
At the beginning of the 20s, many in the world expected that the USSR was unviable and that it would fall apart.
Hitler deduced from this that the Russians normally lived under the leadership of the Germans, Russian tsars
And from the age of 17, as he writes, Jews began to lead the Russians, and the question of the collapse of the USSR is a matter of time
That is, in Mine Kapp the question of war with the USSR was not, according to his views, then the Germans would go into the collapsed USSR (Many emigrants from Russia had similar ideas)
He attributed the revolution to the Jews, but, on the other hand, at that time Amira was also quite common, Churchill, for example, thought it was similar, although there were differences.
Hitler first of all complained about the Jews against the Germans - he believed that they had betrayed the Germans, lied to the German General Staff the most monstrous lie that is often mentioned

[Krasnodar]

Claims were against German (a stab in the back) and against the West (power of capital) and the Soviet (communism-internationalism). He began to speak about living space for a long time being in power

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

in mine kapp and with the USSR he did not plan to fight

Apparently only because primarily Mein Kampf, it program document in which the future Fuhrer outlined his theory of the racial superiority of the "Aryans", which in turn determined his subsequent plans for the future of "Germany-Reich" and the fate of the enslaved peoples ...

[Alex Justice]

And what did he write about Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Norway, etc.?

[Krasnodar]

And what did he write about Eva Brown and Blondie? Did he really want to kill Blondie?

[samarin1969]

Kedmi is very disingenuous. It is advantageous for the bearers of "European values" to present this war as a confrontation between the communists and the Nazis. Stupid statement by showman Kedmi.
Europeans went to kill to cleanse the space from the peoples of Russia. And they did it en masse, incredibly cruel and with pleasure. Evidence of this is the methods of war, the painful death of millions of prisoners of war, the occupation regime. It was a war of nations.

ps From Kedmi I would love to hear about the details of Israel's special operations, the history of the diaspora, the state. And for the history of Russia, his "advice from an outsider" is simply meaningless.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

showman cedmie's statement

I saw a video on YouTube, where Kedmi and some guy discussed, among other things, "Zircon".
As soon as they called, and "Cicron" and "Citron".
It would seem that if you consider yourself to be such great experts, well, take the trouble to reproduce the name of the product correctly. But probably they were worried about something else.

[comradChe]

I respect the Jews, and Kedmi - especially. Directly, clearly and to the point. Bravo!

[Krasnodar]

The USA supported Great Britain, who fought with Hitler. On March 11, 1941, Roosevelt signed the Law on Lend Lisa to London, and from November 1941 to the USSR .. As for ideology, everything is correct. People fought for the Soviet Motherland; in such a situation, the Republic of Ingushetia would have folded its paws.

[rotfuks]

Cunning Yakov Kedmi. In fascist propaganda, the Soviet Union was never mentioned as a state or ideological structure. The ideology of Germany at that time was built on the struggle against Bolshevism and the ideas of communism. When the German army captured Kiev, the special services did not organize mass genocide of the population. They destroyed only the Bolsheviks, the Communists and drove all the Jews into the ghetto. And for example, the Romanian army captured Odessa. There were no punitive actions at all. And Odessa Jews survived the occupation perfectly and even Jewish shops worked. And the most vivid examples were repeatedly shown to us by cinema. After the battle, the Germans built captured Red Army soldiers in a line, and no one shot the inhabitants of the Soviet Union. Only communists, commissars and Jews led to the execution pit.

[AU Ivanov.]

And in the villages burned by the punitive, along with the elderly and children, were there all Communists? In the besieged Leningrad alone did the Bolsheviks live? No, it was a deliberate genocide of our peoples.

[rotfuks]

You correctly said that the villages burned punishers. No one burned the village with the inhabitants immediately after the capture of the village. And they burned the village, that is, punished, usually for the support of partisans and saboteurs. Typically, the Germans themselves did not participate in punitive actions. The same Khatyn burned with the people of the Lithuanian-Ukrainian battalion. But the Soviet ideology of tolerant kept silent about the nationality of the punitive.

[Krasnodar]

About 30 thousand Jews were killed in Odessa

[silverwolf88]

Cedmi is absolutely right ... we fought with the combined Nazi forces all over Europe ... with the support of world financial circles ... all these European SS divisions are especially indicative ... for example, the Danish one which completely contained the royal house ... or the French (the last Hitler’s defenders) who laid down their heads for fascism in numbers exceeding the losses of France against (short war + free De Gaulle France) ... Czechs - Reich weapons workshops ... and other and other ...

[Campanella]

Kedmi is well done and he's right!

[sailor roman]

Our leadership of the country and most of the media really in every possible way avoid the ideological foundations of events, deeds and exposition of relations between peoples and groups of Russian society. So, in the draft amendments to the constitution, not a word about ideology in the state, but it is she, IDEOLOGY, that determines what is good and what is bad ...

[Incvizitor]

It was a war against Bolshevism. War against ideology

It was a war precisely against the Russian people to be destroyed by the West before this ideology, they all the same climbed to Russia, they always had anger, envy, a lot of inferiority complexes from the awareness of their inferiority.

[mag nit]

Omission of Peskov.

[tatra]

On the territory of the USSR, the people all 100 years after the October Revolution are divided into Soviet and ANTI-Soviet. And a united Europe led by Hitler, together with the anti-Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, attacked the USSR and the Soviet people, and destroyed 26 million Soviet people. And the ideology of the anti-Soviet people after the capture of the USSR is the justification of the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, the praise of their accomplices of their number of citizens of the USSR, and malice against the Soviet people, who defeated those.

[AU Ivanov.]

At all times and peoples, people were divided into two groups: patriots and collaborators.

[tatra]

Well, so I wrote about this. The Soviet people is a patriot people, he made his country and the life of the people better than it was in the Russian Empire, and proved that he was for the best for his country and people. And from the anti-Soviet people always, during the Soviet era, and after the capture of the USSR, there was only harm to the country and people, and huge sacrifices to the people, and he proved that he was only for the worst for his country and people, and the anti-Soviet people are a collaborating traitor by mentality. That is why, some representatives of the anti-Soviet people in the Civil and Great Patriotic War ran millions to play idiots in front of the invaders of their homeland, invaders and Nazis, while others, after the capture of the USSR, made these collaborators their heroes. That is why the anti-Soviet people betrayed their benefactors to Gorbachev and Yeltsin and threw them to the Soviet people. That is why your anti-Soviet people are not able to protect each other - if only for the sake of profit or for money.

[AU Ivanov.]

Quite an anti-Soviet emigrant, ideological opponents of the Soviet regime, with might and main participated in the resistance movements of the occupied countries of Europe, believing that they help the Russian people and their homeland with this. And the main Hitler lackey, General Vlasov and his minions, were communists. Like Brigadefuhrer SS Kaminsky. So that people can be patriots of the homeland, negatively related to the state. And vice versa.

[tatra]

That is why the communists hanged Vlasov for betrayal, and you, the enemies of the communists, made him your "hero", "fighter against communism." And the most important traitors on the territory of the USSR are the enemies of the communists who betrayed their country and people. millions fled to grovel before the invaders of their homeland by the invaders and the Nazis, grovelingly bowed to the enemy of their homeland - the West, after the capture of the USSR republics, they ran to put them under the West, pretended to be communists and their supporters for decades, and then betrayed them, and 30 years after their capture of the USSR , betray each other too.

[Slavs]

Precisely because Putin had an ideology and did not mention it ... He did not miss, not a stupid person ...
Everyone who writes on their machines - "We can repeat!" - they will definitely not repeat it ... There is no one to repeat it already ... Ideology just does not exist ... Therefore, he did not mention it in his article ...

[rotfuks]

It is amazing how friendly compatriots Kedmi supported. They supported very unanimously and unanimously. In the ranks of his compatriots, iron discipline.

[kotvov]

In the ranks of his compatriots, iron discipline ,,
Firstly, envy is a bad feeling and secondly: are you a nationalist?

[About 2]

Sneakers smart guy and now it is once again confirmed!

[16112014nk]

In Russia, power is anti-Soviet. All its representatives, starting with the president, have an acute allergy to everything SOVIET. Even a simple mention.

[AU Ivanov.]

But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

[Siberian54]

But the Communist Party of course there were no people ...

[Fidel]

You would think that in the case of a non-communist ideology, there would be no war? Do not tell, Yasha. Now type capitalism in Russia. AND.....? We all kiss the loin as blacks in the SGA? The reasons are deeper. And at the same time easier.

[Radical]

Quote: To be or not to be

Cunning Yakov Kazakov

Justify.

[Radical]

Quote: Ilya-spb

But Vladimir Vladimirovich ... He was a member of the CPSU.

Or I'm wrong?

And ... next?

[Radical]

Quote: LAWNER

The author is cunning ... Ex-intelligence officers do not happen

Of course - if he is a REAL employee.

[Radical]

Quote: Fidel

You would think that in the case of a non-communist ideology, there would be no war? Do not tell, Yasha. Now type capitalism in Russia. AND.....? We all kiss the loin as blacks in the SGA? The reasons are deeper. And at the same time easier.

And still weak. I mean, to call you something like - Maurice Thorez, or Che Guevara?

[Radical]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

And in the villages burned by the punitive, along with the elderly and children, were there all Communists? In the besieged Leningrad alone did the Bolsheviks live? No, it was a deliberate genocide of our peoples.

Are you having trouble with your history, or are you on purpose ...? At least look at the mouthpiece of the authorities - Zvezda TV channel.

[Radical]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

Kid - how much does the US State Department, Voice of America, Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle pay you, or maybe USAID for this crap?
I would like to know if you don’t understand, I’m in kind, maybe I will also earn. If what - in a personal write.

[Radical]

Quote: Gaubvaxta

Quote: aleksejkabanets

How is this quote in your comment related to the text of the comment itself?

I write as I think, and I’m not afraid of anything and nobody ..

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is called demagogy. For what reason do you think that fools are sitting on VO who can be bred roughly like this?

Experience, son of difficult mistakes. . I’ve been here for a long time and I know all this ins and outs of trash!

You are handsome, fighter! Worthy of the "cross with oak leaves", When are you going to hang up the "ins and outs"?

[Radical]

Quote: U-58

What a sympathy there is! The Bolshevik system chose him from among many to a responsible service, which gives a person a certain and rather big power, and he himself entrusted the service with a clear effort. What is there to love?)))))

Yah? And where was Shabak looking?

[Radical]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

Are you ready to hang communists, political officers, like fascists in the Great Patriotic War?

[MOLODCHIK]

Expert)))

[Radical]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: AU Ivanov.

But there was no Soviet power - the Soviets in the USSR did not really decide anything and did not have real power. The rule of the Politburo, which the people did not elect.

Are you ready to hang communists, political officers, like fascists in the Great Patriotic War?

"ASIvanov" is Rabinovich's pseudonym? Didn't hear the answer to the question. Did the policeman iron the bandage with an iron?

[Orca]

Quote: To be or not to be

Cunning Yakov Kazakov

What is his cunning, and what is the point of cunning, especially now?
In this case, the old wise Jew told the truth.

[Orca]

Quote: Paranoid50

... a dwelling under the motto "where there is a nishtyak, there is a home"

Already funny ...
And where is it - can you tell me?

[Alexander Yaroshenko]

In principle, for 30 years we have been ruled by Jewish fascists, who, under Pupkin, completed his work for Hitler by implementing the OST #

[Sergey Zhukov_2]

Duc Putin himself with his bourgeois power-the first enemy of Bolshevism))) in this they are with Hitler and the West at the same time)))

[Stalnov I.P.]

As they are afraid of communism, the mausoleum was draped back, in the president's speech there was only a mention of the Soviet people. Everyone, everyone understands that the Soviet PEOPLE WONDERED at the head of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union at that time, the CPSU (b), under the leadership of STALIN. And the roots of all this lie in what the Soviet People, the Party, STALIN did - Industrialization, Victory in a terrible war, Restoring the COUNTRY, nuclear, space breakthroughs, today's high inmates NEVER do, do not repeat, hence all this anti-Sovietism, hysteria, "all kinds of antics and jumps." Everything can be said in one phrase: "Born to crawl, cannot fly", M. Gorky, song "About the Falcon."

[kutuz]

"Expert Kedmi" is an expert on any issue!