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Ukrainian "Neptune" and its chance to break through to goals

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Means of the complex RK-360MTs. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine


June 17, Ukraine tested a promising anti-ship missile R-360 "Neptune" in full full-time configuration. Allegedly, two products successfully discovered the target and hit it with a direct hit. All this brings the final development work and the entry of Neptune into service. Accordingly, the topic of the future deployment of such weapons and his abilities in the context of the military-political situation.

Neptune from Uranus


Recall, “Neptune” is a subsonic low-altitude anti-ship missile system for hitting ships with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons. The design is based on a fairly old X-35 missile, used on different carriers, including with the ship complex "Uranus". In the past, Ukrainian enterprises participated in the manufacture of the X-35 as suppliers of individual units. Now they had to master the production of other products, resulting in a full-fledged rocket of local production.

In the current configuration, for launching from the ground platform, the R-360 has a length of 5,5 m with a case diameter of 380 mm, folding planes with a span of 1,33 mm are provided. Starting weight - 870 kg, of which 150 kg falls on the warhead penetrating type. The power plant includes a starting solid propellant engine and a mid-flight turbojet MS-400, made on the basis of the serial P95-300.


Start June 17, 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

The speed of the Neptune rocket on the trajectory reaches 0,8-0,85 M, the flight takes place at altitudes of no more than 250-300 m with a decrease in the final section. Flight range - up to 280 km. While the product can only be used by the coastal missile system RK-360MTs, but development has already begun aviation and ship modifications.

Production and Deployment


To date, the plans of the Ukrainian command for the deployment and combat alert of new missile systems have become known. It is supposed to build and put into operation three divisions of the coastal "Neptune". Each division includes six launchers with four anti-ship missiles on each, as well as six transport-loading and transport vehicles. The division simultaneously has three ammunition, 24 missiles each; one of them is ready for immediate use.

The production of pilot anti-ship missiles was carried out as part of the cooperation of several enterprises. Apparently, for the series it will be saved. So, the electronic systems are supplied by the Impulse plant (Shostka city), the main engine is manufactured by the Zaporizhzhya Motor Sich plant, the start engine is supplied by the Pavlograd Chemical Plant, etc. Combat and auxiliary vehicles of the coastal missile complex are built on the KrAZ chassis with the involvement of various organizations.


Target after hitting two missiles. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

The ability of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense within a reasonable time not only to order, but also to pay the required amount of ground facilities and anti-ship missiles for a promising complex raises obvious doubts. 18 launchers and 36 auxiliary vehicles, as well as at least 216 missiles, so far look like an excessively large order, which is simply beyond the power of a country with limited financial capabilities.

In addition, problems should be expected in the production line. Almost all participants in the Neptune project experience certain problems of an economic, technological or other nature. A chronic lack of funding, outdated production facilities and forced staff reductions do not at all contribute to the rapid and high-quality fulfillment of military orders.

Platform issue


Since the first announcements of the RCC, the R-360 has been called a universal weapon for use on different platforms. They promised to create coastal, aviation and ship versions of the complex. However, to date, only one has been created, built on automobile chassis. The prospects for other developments are vague. It is alleged that work on this topic has already begun, but the timing of their implementation remains unknown.


One of the previous launches, 2019. Photo by GK "Ukroboronprom"

For the Navy, two versions of boats with anti-ship missile weapons are offered. The first is the project of the missile and artillery boat 58260 Doe. It is proposed to equip the product with a length of 54 m with a displacement of 445 tons by various weapons systems, including eight anti-ship missiles Neptune and related controls.

A further development of these ideas is the Vespa / Doe-LK missile boat project. The 640-ton boat should also carry artillery weapons of various calibers. The main percussion product remains 8 P-360 products. There are some design differences that increase the basic characteristics in comparison with the "Doe".

Back in 2015, it was decided to build three boats, pr. 58260 with delivery in 2018-2020. However, the project was stuck at the stage of development of working documentation, fundraising, preparation for construction, etc. As a result, “Lani” has not even been laid. Whether the situation will change in the future and whether the construction of such boats will begin is a big question.


The rocket after launch, the solid fuel engine is still running. Photo by GK "Ukroboronprom"

The Vespa project was first presented in 2018, and the following year it was decided to build three units. The lead boat is planned to be part of the Navy in the next 2021. However, the "successes" of several previous projects make it doubtful whether it is possible to carry out plans for the current.

It was previously stated that by 2020, the Neptune missile launcher could go into service with the Air Force. They plan to make the Su-24M front-line bomber the main carrier of such weapons. The possibility of its use by the An-148-300MP patrol aircraft, designed for naval aviation, was also considered.

According to known data, the number of Su-24 drillings in Ukraine is small - no more than 25-30 units. A few dozen more are in storage. The patrol version of the An-148 has not yet reached production and its prospects are dubious. It is possible that the development of an aircraft modification of the R-360 rocket will take a lot of time, and by the time it is ready, the situation with potential carriers will worsen.

Limited potential


Low-altitude subsonic anti-ship missile can be a serious threat. However, the presence of a developed layered air defense covering the ship’s warrant or naval base will make it possible to detect the attack in time and bring down the missile at a safe distance. For this reason, such weapons should be used as part of massive strikes that can "overload" enemy air defenses.


Missile version of the boat "Doe". Graphics Ukrmilitary.com

In the near future, the Ukrainian army plans to get up to three divisions of coastal complexes RK-360MTs, each of which can simultaneously launch up to 24 missiles. A joint strike of three divisions will send up to 72 missiles to the targets. However, the real volley volumes at which the missiles will not interfere with each other are unknown. The ship and aircraft versions of Neptune so far can not be considered due to the lack of real time and results.

72 missiles of three divisions are a serious threat to any naval group or base. Such an amount of anti-ship missiles is enough to create a high load on the enemy’s air defense, up to the expenditure of the air defense system’s ammunition and transfer to defense using artillery. In such conditions, individual missiles have a chance to break through to their targets and at least damage them and disable them.

There is no reason to hope for a second salvo. The enemy will make every effort to detect and destroy coastal complexes performing reloading as soon as possible. In a number of situations, solving such a situation will be relatively simple and quick.


Vespa boat model. Photo Mil.in.ua

It should be borne in mind that Ukraine considers Russia to be the main adversary, and Neptune is created primarily to counter the Black Sea the fleet RF Given the geographical, organizational, combat and other features of the Russian Navy, it is not difficult to imagine how the use of the RK-360MTs systems could end. Most likely, the first salvo of a separate launcher or division will be their last.

Continuous difficulties


Thus, the RCC project “Neptune” is faced with a host of problems that sharply limit its real potential. As a result, the Ukrainian authorities cannot seriously rely on this missile and consider it as a convenient tool of political pressure and an argument in disputes with the "aggressor neighbor".

As tests show, the P-360 product is really capable of hitting surface targets and can be a fairly effective weapon. However, obtaining all the desired results due to a number of objective factors is possible only with mass production, deployment and application. In addition, the results of the use of "Neptune" directly depend on the ability of a potential opponent to defend against such attacks.

The ability of Ukrainian industry to build and deliver the required equipment to equip three new divisions within a reasonable time frame, as well as the large number of missiles for them, raises fair questions. It is possible that the real production of RK-360MTs and R-360 will be lower than planned and will drag on for several years. And this means that even the limited potential of Neptune will not be fully realized.
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  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 25 June 2020 05: 51 New
    0
    Who will collect them? The people, accustomed to washing toilets in the EU, will not return to defense enterprises with a much lower salary. Single episodes will be released. And massively? ..
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 June 2020 06: 02 New
      19
      Thanks to the author for the article. It is quite objective and shows a more or less real state of affairs with this missile system of Ukraine. Everything, as always, rests on the economy ...
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Who will collect them?

      Yes, who will find, especially since now the borders are not as open as before. There are many old specialists of pre-retirement age who do not go to Europe. Here, the main thing is whether there are enough "pennies" and "chovny" and build rockets
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 25 June 2020 06: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Here, the main thing is whether there are enough "pennies" and "chovny" and build rockets

        No, this is not the main thing, the main thing is that:
        it is easy to imagine how the application of the RK-360MTs complexes can end. Most likely, the first salvo of a separate launcher or division will be their last.

        And not only for the division, but for the entire Ukrainian army and navy, and possibly for the whole state. hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 June 2020 06: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Evdokim
          And not only for the division, but for the entire Ukrainian army and navy, and possibly for the whole state.

          And if she will not be alone, then Ukraine, but along with Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia? Or with the USA, Romania, Turkey, Canada, Great Britain? Have you thought about this?
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          2. Evdokim
            Evdokim 25 June 2020 08: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            And if she will not be alone

            I won’t write about grandma. I will not say anything about Georgians, the Baltic states, and other riffraff like Poland, they are not suicides. They just want to eat, but not about them to fight. But they can be inadequate from / to Ukraine, for that they are inadequate, moreover, greedy and envious to disgrace. hi
            1. svp67
              svp67 25 June 2020 08: 20 New
              +3
              Quote: Evdokim
              I will not say anything about Georgians, the Baltic states, and other riffraff like Poland, they are not suicides.

              Somehow in 2008 they didn’t think so and now they don’t think so, they have already recovered from that defeat.
              1. Evdokim
                Evdokim 25 June 2020 08: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Somehow in 2008 they didn’t think so and now they don’t think so, they have already recovered from that defeat.

                Do not tell my slippers. Georgians will attack, on whom? Russia? That's all, their train no trolley left without even arriving.bully
                1. svp67
                  svp67 25 June 2020 08: 31 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Evdokim
                  Do not tell my slippers.

                  He laughs well who laughs without consequences ...
                  Quote: Evdokim
                  Georgians will attack, on whom? Russia?

                  In Abkhazia and Ossetia, which, in the event of a war against the coalition, we will not particularly support
                  1. Evdokim
                    Evdokim 25 June 2020 08: 39 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    case of war against coalition

                    Where do you see the coalition? I'm only at the parade. If all this chantrap gathers at least for something, then grandmother will definitely become a grandfather. One must really look at all these squeals of what they can and what not.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 25 June 2020 08: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Evdokim
                      If all this chantrap gathers at least for something, then grandmother will definitely become a grandfather.

                      So grandmother already ... These countries have already united.
                      1. Evdokim
                        Evdokim 25 June 2020 08: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        These countries have already united

                        Do not be suspicious, be vigilant !!! Do not worry earlier than necessary, panic in this case is inappropriate. I’m saying for sure - the fart they have cracked to fight, just money is not enough. lol
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 25 June 2020 09: 18 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Evdokim
                        I’m saying for sure - the fart they have cracked to fight, just money is not enough.

                        "Green candy wrappers" they will not regret it ...
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 27 June 2020 02: 19 New
                        +2
                        Sergey, all the militancy of these "tigers" is only from the realization of their own impunity. They are afraid of wars to colic animals, but to the public they are doing everything to remain "beloved wife."
                        Ukraine really managed to create the KR according to the characteristics (I do not know how with noise immunity) close to the X-35 and warhead even more powerful. And she will be able to build these missiles - these engines before, during the time of the Union, there - in Ukraine they did. And it will be assembled in Pavlograd, and this is the birthplace of the solid propellant pride of Soviet rocket science, Molodets for the BZHRK and Typhoon for the Akula nuclear submarines (the first two stages) were built there before. So if there is funding, in three years they will be able to put these divisions into operation.
                        The question is, they cannot be given these three years. The problem has already dragged on for 6 years.
                        And time contributes to this.
                        In the United States, riots, a split, pogroms, and just about the same - a civil war. America will never be the same, and the rest of the West, without the USA, is not worth a penny. And she won’t come to war.
                        Loud statements and threats from the infuriated Outskirts already ran into a hundred "incident bailey". Only the latest threats of a missile attack on the Crimean bridge and fleet bases give Russia's rights to preventive action. FOR PREVENTIVE actions of a military and political nature.
                        It is enough to officially recognize the former Ukraine as a terrorist state, along with ISIS (it is forbidden in Russia), recognize its "government in exile", allow the formation of a liberation army and provide it with military-technical and simply military support.
                        And it will end VERY quickly.
                        There would be a will. bully
                        But is she there?
                        ... Putin’s latest statement about the illegal possession of some former brothers by Russian lands gives grounds for this.
                        And the weakness of the United States.
                        Which right now is not up to Ukraine.
                        And it is necessary to solve this issue especially without delay.

                        And no arguments that this is “not our land” and “not our people” are bullshit.
                        This land is OUR.
                        Always has been.
                        And it should be.
                        And people are ours too.
                        And for criminals there is a LAW in which it would not hurt to return the death penalty - as the supreme measure of social protection.
                        And right after solving this problem, Russia will get better. smile
                        And with a power plant for warships. yes
                        And with engines for airplanes and helicopters. yes
                        And with steam turbines for nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers. yes
                        And the Nikolaev shipyards will return to their native harbor. yes
                        And on the grain market, Russia will become an unconditional monopolist (with such black chernozems in the black). yes
                        And the famous KB them. Antonova, with its factories in Kharkov and Kiev, will provide us with military transport and just transport aircraft (An-70 and An-124 will still be able to go into production in an updated form), and Zaporizhzhya Motor Sich will provide them with excellent engines. yes
                        And you don’t have to “feed” anyone - this territory will feed anyone you want ... and now it’s not starving ... even when the parasites are hanged ... and even more so. smile
                        There will be flowers and tears of joy from liberation. yes
                        And a little lynching over the ghouls ... smile ... not without this ... But it is like in Odessa during the liberation, when the Romanians fled with the Germans, and the troops had not yet entered ... in three days all the posts were decorated with policemen and calabrants. smile
                        It was self-cleaning - the immune system worked. yes

                        The United States believes (and has always believed) that Russia without Ukraine will not be able to become the Great Empire again ... and really - it doesn’t work ...
                        Including due to our non-recognition of such a status.
                        All over the world, even at the household level they say:
                        "How are you - Russians divided into three states, and even enmity?"
                        "What kind of Empire are you if you split your kernel of condos?"
                        And in this they are certainly right. what
                        It is necessary to correct the matter.
                        And the whole international situation contributes to this. yes soldier bully
                  2. Sergey_G_M
                    Sergey_G_M 25 June 2020 08: 56 New
                    +3
                    The coalition united against Libya and twice Iraq. With Iraq and Libya, oil and money are clear there.
                    And in Georgia, what?
                    Georgia and Ukraine are fighting desperately against the Russian Federation, all the Borjomi have already pissed off and Roshen obviously wants to infect all Russians with caries, but the coalition has not drawn up, sadness is direct!
                    Iran and North Korea generally relaxed and look at these coalitions as shit.
                  3. Harry cuper
                    Harry cuper 26 June 2020 13: 34 New
                    0
                    Borjomi is 100% owned by Alfa Group. So this water is Russian laughing
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 25 June 2020 11: 31 New
              +1
              They did not take Ossetia even when there was only one of our battalions of peacekeepers, and the Russian army was very weak. So in the current conditions they have even less chances. In what forms Western support is manifested, I think everyone understands too.
            3. Jager
              Jager 26 June 2020 10: 53 New
              0
              Against the tribal super powers and Ukraine? It's funny ...
            4. Left shot
              Left shot 9 July 2020 07: 29 New
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              Exactly nothing? laughing And for a long time there is nothing?
              1. svp67
                svp67 9 July 2020 07: 44 New
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                Quote: Left Shot
                And for a long time there is nothing?

                Do you think that we have an army of the scale of the USSR? In the event of a war in several directions, 58, it will be more precisely occupied with confrontation with Ukraine than will throw forces to defend Ossetia and Georgia
                1. Left shot
                  Left shot 9 July 2020 07: 46 New
                  0
                  That is, everyone dreamed of 2008? Or girlish memory? What a confrontation with Ukraine, stop raving.
                2. svp67
                  svp67 9 July 2020 07: 51 New
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                  Quote: Left Shot
                  That is, everyone dreamed of 2008?

                  But what did the 58th and Russia in general then fight on several fronts? I’m talking about the fight against the hostile coalition of states
              2. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 29 July 2020 19: 56 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Left Shot
                And for a long time there is nothing?

                Do you think that we have an army of the scale of the USSR? In the event of a war in several directions, 58, it will be more precisely occupied with confrontation with Ukraine than will throw forces to defend Ossetia and Georgia

                58th will remain in place, there is someone to be employed in the Ukrainian direction))
  2. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 25 June 2020 09: 40 New
    -10
    Quote: svp67
    And if she will not be alone,

    Reason absolutely correctly. If Ukrainians enter into cooperation with a country with money and access to technology, then to make a multi-platform rocket, to learn serially more than real. As soon as there is a crisis in Russia, the DNI, LC, Ossetia will cease to exist and this will be coordinated.
    I’m directly surprised at how the Russians are pouring mud on the fraternal Slavic peoples, I will never understand that.
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 25 June 2020 10: 08 New
      +1
      As soon as there is a crisis in Russia, the DNI, the LC, Ossetia will cease to exist and this will be coordinated.

      What kind of crisis should this happen? I constantly hear about the crisis in the Russian Federation, but something doesn’t come all of it. The ruble fell twice in half (a straight pun came out), the price of oil fell, the imposition of sanctions (everyone suffers from jamon and Belarusian shrimps burst with tears), but the crisis did not come. Maybe due to the fact that most goods are produced in the Russian Federation and for rubles. But then tell me what should happen so that the DNI, LC, Ossetia and Abkhazia lose our support.
      I’m directly surprised at how the Russians are pouring mud on the fraternal Slavic peoples, I will never understand that.

      The Russian Federation very strongly supports both financially and politically fraternal Slavic peoples, and compared to the leadership of some of these peoples, our politicians defecate in Russia, our politicians are just angels.
      1. Jager
        Jager 26 June 2020 10: 56 New
        -4
        Turbopatriotism is never welcomed. Like frenzied nationalism, it does not lead to anything good.
        The crisis is and will be. Only the oil and gas industry "lives" with us, more or less military production, and some crumbs go to allies. Everything else survives as it can
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 25 June 2020 11: 34 New
      0
      Russia has never poured mud not only the fraternal Slavic peoples, but just do no nations!
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 25 June 2020 13: 41 New
        -3
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Who will collect them? People used to wash toilets in the EU
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 June 2020 13: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Grazdanin
      I’m directly surprised at how the Russians are pouring mud on the fraternal Slavic peoples, I will never understand that.

      I also wonder how the brotherly-Slavic peoples poured dirt on Russia with mud, but they consider this a normal occurrence. But as soon as Russia wants to say what they actually represent, all offenses, indignations like, I never understand, but for what we are, well, all in the same vein.
      Quote: Grazdanin
      If Ukrainians enter into cooperation with a country with money and access to technology,

      Here, after all, the main word is IF, which in the case of Ukraine means not when ... Something over the past 6 years, no one has cooperated with and has not admitted to modern technologies ... So with what a fright someone will do it in future?
  3. venik
    venik 25 June 2020 09: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    And if she will not be alone, then Ukraine, but along with Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia? Or with the USA, Romania, Turkey, Canada, Great Britain?

    =======
    Do you think the United States, Romania, Turkey, Canada, the United Kingdom, and, just the same, are burning with the desire to "lay down their belly for their own friends" (that is, for the "Ukrainian independence" ??? No matter how! Absolutely "not burn" ( desire)!
    Another thing - in the event of a large-scale conflict between Russia and NATO, Ukraine can, of course, “podsutitsya with its" Neptunes "..... But that’s just what American strategists would not chatter about the possibility of a" non-nuclear "or" limited nuclear "conflict with Russia is all" bla-bla-bla "! They will go very quickly more powerful "arguments":

    There will be no time for “Neptunes” - here alreadyspruce countries in the "furnace will fly" .....
    Quote: svp67
    Have you thought about this?

    Have you thought about this?
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 25 June 2020 10: 24 New
      +2
      Come on comrade probably jokes:
      And if she will not be alone, then Ukraine, but along with Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia?

      For example, when I heard about such a powerful military alliance, I almost fell off my chair from laughter!

      Now all countries are extremely pragmatic and all wars are purely for loot and for dough. And the military conflict of the North Atlantic alliance with the Russian Federation for any outcome, in the current military-economic situation, will definitely lead to the victory of China !!! So while no one will do this and you can breathe out calmly. And Ukrainians and Georgians to think, or else the slogans of their military and politicians are "America with us", etc. look very stupid, the table would have to guess that America is not with you but about the loot, and you do not already have it.
      1. venik
        venik 25 June 2020 17: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        For example, when I heard about such a powerful military alliance, I almost fell off my chair from laughter!

        ========
        good So Sergey is not you alone !!! drinks Znachite us (almost fell off the chair) - at least TWO !!! drinks
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        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        Now all countries are extremely pragmatic and all wars are purely for the loot и for dough.

        =======
        That the story with the coronavirus is brilliant and proved!!! hi
  4. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 25 June 2020 09: 54 New
    0
    Who puts the cons is not clear. Although tfu on them.
    The United States created today's Ukraine precisely as a battering ram against Russia. And it doesn’t matter what happens to the ram during the assault. Behind even a dead volley of Neptune, another volley of the enemy will fly harder. The main thing is to weaken the air defense in the first salvo.
    1. venik
      venik 25 June 2020 17: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: Hagalaz
      Who puts the cons is not clear.

      =======
      Here it is, Roman is EXACTLY !!!
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      Quote: Hagalaz
      Although tfu on them.

      =========
      good And here it is - "neither add nor decrease" !!! Well, since the “pigs” and the “fighters of the Ukrainian Information Front” - “minus” - then ALL SAY CORRECTLY !!! [b] [/ b] drinks hi
  5. Hermit21
    Hermit21 25 June 2020 11: 02 New
    +2
    How long have these colonialists begun to stand up for the natives?
  6. 5-9
    5-9 25 June 2020 15: 44 New
    -1
    The haberdashery and the cardinal are power !!!

    Everyone except the United States will come ... though why the United States this shell for a total nuclear war I can not imagine ...
  7. ZAV69
    ZAV69 26 June 2020 20: 09 New
    0
    Then completely different ammunition will be used. Few will not seem to anyone
  • 210ox
    210ox 25 June 2020 06: 27 New
    +6
    Underestimation of the now obvious adversary is fraught. They can easily be supplied with components by the same “partners”
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 June 2020 06: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      They can easily be supplied with components by the same “partners”

      Yes, I’m more than sure that such a “breakthrough” in creating the same GOS for RCC and “Alder” could not be done without the help of partners ... Well, it doesn’t happen that they didn’t, they didn’t know how, they didn’t work, but they created in two years
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 25 June 2020 07: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        Well, it doesn’t happen that they didn’t, they didn’t know how, they didn’t work, but they created in two years

        hi All documentation, samples were available, key components were produced. Including an engine that Ukraine itself would never, in principle, have made. Glider - a trifle, not so important, but still.
        The GOS is new, but the GOS of the “hit the target” level is the easiest with current electronics. Despite the fact that there was a technical base in Ukraine, and the ARLGSN for the air-blast missiles were quite produced for themselves, that is, people with some experience were not only in abstract electronics.
        Semi-handicraft production of 1-10 pieces per year is no different from the manufacture of single products. And obviously in strength. The fact that 50 years ago in electronics was a high-tech of insanely complex, today - in Chinese consumer goods at $ 2.50 per ten pieces.
        There are small-scale production of guided missiles of various types, solid fuel for accelerators - already a giant plant of the USSR left, with all the serial technologies and recipes. Ukrainian PKR a la "clone of Uranus" is only a matter of time and desire.
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 June 2020 08: 14 New
          +1
          hi
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          All documentation, samples were available, key components were produced.

          Just not on such Heads of Self Guidance. They didn’t have it and Russia didn’t provide documentation to them.
          And their creation requires both a scientific, experimental and production base.
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 25 June 2020 10: 25 New
            +4
            GOS was developed by the private company Radionics, which mainly worked for export of repair and modernization of radar, as well as the development and production of passive and active GOS. Her success is based on the fact that she absorbed a lot of Ukrainian specialists who left state enterprises and constantly recruited relatively young ones. A large number of Soviet radio-electronic systems abroad were repaired precisely by the Radionics company, although for the most part it was an aircraft avionics and modernization of old Soviet SAM / ASWMs.
            Regarding the GOS for Neptune, when accessing the modern element base of the West, there are no problems creating the GOS, if before that they had already been working on similar systems.
            GOS for anti-ship missiles and for SAM / ASWM have few fundamental differences in architecture, mainly the differences are “programmatic” in nature. Iran and North Korea created their GOS for X-35 analogues in about 4-5 years, Radionics began in 2016, a little less than 4 years, so there is nothing strange about this.
      2. venik
        venik 25 June 2020 09: 53 New
        -1
        Quote: svp67
        and I’m more than sure that such a “breakthrough” in creating the same GOS for RCC and Alder’s was not done without the help of partners ... Well, it doesn’t happen that they didn’t, they didn’t know how, they didn’t work, but they created in two years

        =======
        good Sorry, Sergey ( hi ) - not reading your comment with your 5 cents leaned out! So at least two of us !!! drinks
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 June 2020 08: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: 210ox
      Underestimation of the now obvious adversary is fraught. They can easily be supplied with components by the same “partners”

      “Whether or not it will fly” is an eternal question, why does Ukraine need rockets? There are no such belligerent neighbors, but if the owners force them to fight, then they will throw Svidomo a "bungalow. If only for sale in Africa."
    3. venik
      venik 25 June 2020 09: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Underestimation of the now obvious adversary is fraught.

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      I agree! good
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      Quote: 210ox
      They can easily be supplied with components by the same “partners”

      =======
      Do you think they do not deliver now? Or "Neptune" - it is entirely from the components exclusively of Ukrainian production? And electronics (element base) - also?? belay I doubt however ..... what
    4. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 26 June 2020 13: 40 New
      0
      Underestimation of the now obvious adversary is fraught
      You are absolutely right. Even reevaluation of the enemy will be correct
  • antivirus
    antivirus 25 June 2020 07: 06 New
    0
    -Stierlitz is walking along the corridor.
    -which corridor?
    - in our opinion.

    Stirlitz continues to walk along the corridors
  • major147
    major147 25 June 2020 12: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    Single episodes will be released. And massively? ..

    I already wrote somewhere that the factory producing fuel for them "was covered with a basin." The only opportunity for them is to upgrade existing models on the knee.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 25 June 2020 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    People accustomed to washing toilets in the EU, at defense enterprises, with a much lower salary, will not return

    Close the exit, attach to enterprises, as in 1940 - that's all.
  • Gate68
    Gate68 25 June 2020 06: 53 New
    +4
    In any case, this is a real threat to any opponent. Even if they manage to do just one salvo.
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 25 June 2020 07: 31 New
      +3
      Ukraine has already profiled its military potential remaining from the USSR, but has not created its own. RCC on the numbers looks good 280 km range, 150 kg warhead, pictures of boats with RCC look pretty.
      But the term “war machine” did not appear in vain, and this causes big problems in Ukraine, given the state of the armed forces and the numbers, and the pictures begin to look more pale.
      Who will give target designation to the boat and rocket adjustment when firing at 280 km? Who will give a massive salvo of anti-ship missiles, is it necessary to be blind so as not to notice the advance of forces and means, and the scouts hanging overhead?
      So that:
      In any case, this is a real threat to any opponent. Even if they manage to do just one salvo.

      This is not so, Ukraine has no opponents against whom this RCC can be applied.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 June 2020 08: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Tor68
      In any case, this is a real threat to any opponent. Even if they manage to do just one salvo.

      In Sarajevo, one shot was enough to start World War I.,
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 25 June 2020 08: 28 New
        0
        Yes, no one will fight with Ukraine, calm down.
        Because of the fools and the mentally ill, no one will kill ordinary Ukrainians in the Ukrainian leadership.
        If the launch of anti-ship missiles or other serious provocation takes place, there will still be no war, there will be "peace enforcement" and "demilitarization." Missiles are fired at airfields and warehouses, the fleet will enter Ukrainian ports and will melt all Ukrainian troughs. At the same time, ordinary soldiers of Ukraine will leave for a couple of days with relatives or take sick leave, there’s no sense in idiots fighting the Caliber and the Points among them. In general, all the toys will be broken for them, but the troops will not be brought in, no matter how much the curators of Ukraine and their puppets on the head of the government do not want to.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 June 2020 09: 50 New
          -2
          Quote: Sergey_G_M
          At the same time, ordinary soldiers of Ukraine will leave for a couple of days with relatives or take sick leave

          And then they will transfer to the Russian army. The guys do not really want to fight.
      2. 5-9
        5-9 25 June 2020 15: 49 New
        +2
        Didn’t they tell you at the history lessons at the school that wars have reasons and reasons, and these are overwhelmingly different things?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 June 2020 16: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: 5-9
          Didn’t they tell you at the history lessons at the school that wars have reasons and reasons, and these are overwhelmingly different things?

          And when this school was, everything has long been forgotten.
    3. svp67
      svp67 25 June 2020 08: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Tor68
      Even if they manage to do just one salvo.

      And it will have to be reflected ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2020 06: 54 New
    +3
    And why do these devices need Svidomo, with whom are going to fight? If with us, this will be the first and last launch of these missiles towards Russia in the history of Ukraine. And with the rest, Papa Trump or the next president will not allow the striped ones.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 June 2020 08: 59 New
      -1
      Calm themselves. Like, they can do something else, they are capable of something else. But it is, vanity from hopelessness.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 25 June 2020 09: 49 New
      0
      If there were historical examples, then I would be glad. And so they knock down, shoot, blow up, kill our soldiers, and in return we stop trading at most with tomatoes, for a couple of weeks.
    3. 5-9
      5-9 25 June 2020 15: 52 New
      -1
      They simply support the patriotic spirit of wuyks and raguli that Ukraine is strong!
      They are at war with us, and successfully, they will soon be like the 7th year ... in words, but they stupidly fired from a cannon in the Crimea or go with a tank to Tseurkinskiy Krim - the gut is thin and they strenuously pretend that such an easy way to deal with "aggressor" it simply does not occur to them :)))
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 June 2020 07: 51 New
    0
    Three divisions for Ukraine are an ambitious project, the more so to collect at least a couple of hundred rockets to it. Maybe by the thirtieth finish.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 25 June 2020 12: 15 New
    -1
    Three years ago they wrote that even in ten years they would not be brought to a combat state
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 25 June 2020 16: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    Who will collect them? The people, accustomed to washing toilets in the EU, will not return to defense enterprises with a much lower salary. Single episodes will be released. And massively? ..

    The more such experts will think that everything is bad in Ukraine, the better for Ukraine. Hats can end very quickly. There will be nothing to throw the enemy. Re armament is coming. Not as massive as the military would have liked, but let's see what happens.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 June 2020 20: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: Evdokim
    Where do you see the coalition? I'm only at the parade. If all this chantrap gathers at least for something, then grandmother will definitely become a grandfather. One must really look at all these squeals of what they can and what not.

    Worst of all is to underestimate the enemy. During the conflict 080808, not only Georgians were sitting at the control panels of the Georgian air defense systems. So it is now. On the basis of "mutual love for Russia" any kind of coalition can take place. And in reality, there is no need to hit the same "Neptunes" on specific ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Enough unrecognized state formations where such missiles can be used. And since there is no agreement between these unrecognized states with Russia on mutual assistance, such products can do a lot of trouble ...

    Quote: Sergey_G_M
    The coalition united against Libya and twice Iraq. With Iraq and Libya, oil and money are clear there.
    And in Georgia, what?
    Georgia and Ukraine are fighting desperately against the Russian Federation, all the Borjomi have already pissed off and Roshen obviously wants to infect all Russians with caries, but the coalition has not drawn up, sadness is direct!
    Iran and North Korea generally relaxed and look at these coalitions as shit.

    What is in Georgia? Georgia simply jumps out of its pants to become a member of NATO, but as long as there are territorial disputes with neighbors, it does not shine on it. And she does not need to fight with Russia. The second time she did not step on the same rake. Our bases may be inviolable, but the territory of Abkhazia or South Ossetia may become the object of attack. And what will ours do if 3-4 such missiles fly into the Roki tunnel and explode there? South Ossetia will be cut off. The same is with Abkhazia. A strike on the railway on the Abkhaz side and that’s it. Nothing can be thrown there with a piece of iron, and you can saddle the road in the narrowest place or keep it at gunpoint - there you can easily ...
    If Iran or North Korea begins to iron these coalitions, then they are more likely, these countries will turn into that very substance. Do not forget that the potential of even one country, such as the United States, is orders of magnitude greater than what North Korea or Iran have. And it all depends on political will. There will be US presidential elections, and after that we’ll see whether states such as the DPRK and the Iran remain, or go shit ...
    Damn, so throw all the hats ...

    Quote: 1976AG
    They did not take Ossetia even when there was only one of our battalions of peacekeepers, and the Russian army was very weak. So in the current conditions they have even less chances. In what forms Western support is manifested, I think everyone understands too.

    They did not take Ossetia because they did something stupid and launched an attack on Tskhinval, and did not throw people to the Roki tunnel to lock it. And then, when the units of the 58th Army entered, it was already too late ... The second time they would not attack such a rake ...

    Quote: venik
    Do you think the United States, Romania, Turkey, Canada, the United Kingdom, and, just the same, are burning with the desire to "lay down their belly for their own friends" (that is, for the "Ukrainian independence" ??? No matter how! Absolutely "not burn" ( desire)!
    Another thing - in the event of a large-scale conflict between Russia and NATO, Ukraine can, of course, “podsutitsya with its" Neptunes "..... But that’s just what American strategists would not chatter about the possibility of a" non-nuclear "or" limited the nuclear "conflict with Russia is all" bla-bla-bla "! More powerful" arguments "will come into play very quickly:

    Namesake. Of course it’s interstitious to post photos of ICBMs, but I haven’t heard something about Russia using these missiles in conflict 080808. EMRIP B. Franklin has the expression: “A large empire, like a large cake, is often eaten from the edges.” And for such a coalition there is no need to strike directly at Russia. For Russia, the same South Ossetia, the same Abkhazia, the same Donetsk and Lugansk republics - these are the lands of the very same pie. And starting a conflict with any such republic is not a problem. Moreover, in fact, all of them are part of Ukraine and Georgia, respectively. Ukraine was and is a unitary state, the constitution of which does not provide for the withdrawal of its parts from Ukraine. Crimea was a sore spot, which was officially transferred to Ukraine from Russia in the 50s, transferred with violations of the rules, but there, in Ukraine, it had the status of autonomy and the problem was solved in principle.
    But Donetsk and Lugansk are the regional centers of Ukraine. In the same way, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are autonomies within Georgia. Recognize these two states dozens of other states, and it would be better if hundreds were recognized - it would be completely different. But no one recognizes them. Especially recognize them - there would be problems in Spain, Britain (at least). Therefore, the maximum that we can do is to provide assistance, but hardly by troops, because from the point of view of international law this can be turned as aggression against Georgia itself

    Quote: Sergey_G_M
    For example, when I heard about such a powerful military alliance, I almost fell off my chair from laughter!

    Try not to fall. Here are only those against whom such an alliance can be directed - the DPR, LPR, Abkhazia, South Ossetia are unlikely to support you in your laughter ...

    Quote: 210ox
    Underestimation of the now obvious adversary is fraught. They can easily be supplied with components by the same “partners”

    Alas, you are one of the few who does not perceive this through the prism of “hi-hahonki” or “let them try.” Even if, I repeat, the goal will not be Russia - 4 of the above state formations can feel it in their shoes ....

    Quote: tihonmarine
    “Whether or not it will fly” is an eternal question, why does Ukraine need rockets? There are no such belligerent neighbors, but if the owners force them to fight, then they will throw Svidomo a "bungalow. If only for sale in Africa."

    In addition to selling (and this is the currency), there are also domestic needs. They have virtually no precision weapons. “Points”, if they remain, breathe in the air. Now they have a system that can strike not only at ships, but also at targets on the shore. There is an adversary - the same DNR and LC. They can sell Georgia - Georgians can use them against the same South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In the long term - the creation of a Thunder-2 type OTRK by order of Saudi Arabia. And this is a full-fledged Iskander-class missile. As a result, it can fight with Russia and will not, but gradually squeezing the DPR and LPR is easy.

    Quote: major147
    I already wrote somewhere that the factory producing fuel for them "was covered with a basin." The only opportunity for them is to upgrade existing models on the knee.

    That is, they will also create fuel for Thunder-2, extracting from old models. A factory is good for itself if more than 1,5 thousand tons of solid fuel charges extracted from ICBMs are stored there just now ...

    Quote: Sergey_G_M
    Who will give target designation to the boat and rocket adjustment when firing at 280 km? Who will give a massive salvo of anti-ship missiles, is it necessary to be blind so as not to notice the advance of forces and means, and the scouts hanging overhead?

    Does the boat no longer have radar systems? In addition, the formation of the target’s appearance is carried out by the Delta digital command and control system. Each launcher has a connection with a higher control unit, from where target coordinates, speed, type can be transmitted. This appearance is created on the basis of the radar, satellite systems, RTR.
    Hanging out to the scout is absolutely not necessary. The transmission of information may be from a completely different source. In addition, if it is ground-based, then go to the position and shoot back - it will take several minutes. They will let you make a volley, or rather no one will interfere, because the interval between missile launches is 3-5 seconds. That is, each launcher can shoot back in 15-20 seconds. All six may need less than a minute to do this.
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 26 June 2020 00: 12 New
      0
      Iponamuher skok bukaf. Why is that you? No need to worry so much. The Cossacks will build a fleet of missiles and attack Russia .... The bourgeoisie conceived them as chiri on the body of Russia, and not as hemorrhoids for their ass.
    2. Bear040
      Bear040 30 June 2020 11: 45 New
      +2
      The Russian Federation has a VKS and Airborne Forces, there is a fleet and marines. Now is not the best of times, but there will be enough forces for Georgia, even if they fill up all the tunnels. In fact, it all depends on what Putin will do while sitting in the Kremlin. If Putin gives the order to wet the Georgians, they will be soaked, as the Chechen bandits were soaked in the concrete fortifications of the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR near Bamut. Volumetric explosion warheads are a great thing, for example, no bunkers and trenches can save from ODAB-500 bombs, everything burns out, even mice in basements.
  • Kestrel
    Kestrel 25 June 2020 20: 27 New
    +6
    I don’t know whether Bandera missiles will reach Russia, but hundreds of Russian missiles will fall in response to Banderostan.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 June 2020 09: 26 New
    +2
    As long as this Ukraine exists, there is a chance.
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 26 June 2020 23: 22 New
    -7
    They said that Ukraine was not able to do anything at all.
    Right now they say they can do it but are not able to build it.
    Tomorrow - able to build but not able to use ... etc. etc.
    Although, in reality, the dispute is about nothing, for Vova is already clear that there are still 15 years left. And this means that everything will go as it should.
    You can rattle anything and anything. But even if they decide to push the Donbass back, you will silently joyfully do it. Although he is in this state nowhere and a hundred years in the lunch is not needed.
    And I sincerely hope that in addition to some strange malice, you also have an understanding of what exactly you did in the Donbass, and in Ossetia with Abkhazia, and in Syria. For if the Pundos are fighting somewhere, then there is always direct benefit. But what you guessed from these conflicts is a mystery to match for "What, where, when."
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 26 June 2020 23: 46 New
      +5
      I'm afraid to upset you, but apparently, the Russophobia patients of the republic of the former USSR are tired of everyone, including Vova, and they will endure your antics less and less. 1) Vova openly said that the Russian army will suppress any firing points that will begin to work on the territory of the Russian Federation, with the destruction of decision centers. 2) Vova openly stated that she believed that all the republics of the former USSR should have left the USSR within the borders within which they were part of the Russian Empire, and not steal its land from Russia. In other words, a number of countries of the former USSR were called occupiers of the territories of the Russian Federation, so I wouldn’t have put a rabid Bandera dog in your place, it’s only three Mondays left to live.
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 27 June 2020 06: 46 New
    -8
    Quote: Shadow041
    ... the Russian army will suppress any firing points that will begin to work on the territory of the Russian Federation, with the destruction of decision centers. ....
    so I wouldn’t have put a rabid Bandera dog in your place, she would have three Mondays left to live.

    I would, in your place, not bet on what Vova says. For this is the only thing he can do ... but that's all.
    This time. Two - the decision center is Washington and London. Directly waiting for suppression. And it is really and honestly. For from the moment of the collapse of the union (with the cohort of the Wh), I can’t wait for it all.
    Well, three, for a snack, half of Bandera has a Russian passport and is funded from Moscow. Out of your pocket, by the way, too.
    Hence the logical question - where does so much malice come from and out of the blue?
    1. Bat039
      Bat039 27 June 2020 12: 14 New
      +6
      Saakashvili also thought so, and Dudaev received money from rot from Moscow. Saakashvili ate his tie and even in Georgia they do not like him. Dudaev died, and his friends, slowly, but caught, planted, or destroyed. By the way, Dudayev’s own son does not rot even in the Russian Federation, but in the Baltic prison of the pro-American Sprotland ... So it's not so simple as you think. Vova will have to shoot if UKROPs rock the boat, even if not around London, but around Kiev, but he will have to, because otherwise the army and people in the Russian Federation will not understand him, and he now has a rating and so doesn’t ...
    2. Bat039
      Bat039 27 June 2020 18: 01 New
      +7
      Sloboda0 (Aleksey) Today, 06:46
      Hence the logical question - where does so much malice come from and out of the blue? [/ Quote]
      It reminds a well-known joke about UKROPs and a phrase from it - “But less than that ?!” Do you seriously think that Ukraine is white and fluffy and the Russian Federation and Russians have no reason for a negative attitude towards Ukraine and UKROP of all stripes ?!
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 27 June 2020 21: 35 New
    -8
    Quote: Bat039

    It reminds a well-known joke about UKROPs and a phrase from it - “But less than that ?!” Do you seriously think that Ukraine is white and fluffy and the Russian Federation and Russians have no reason for a negative attitude towards Ukraine and UKROP of all stripes ?!

    Yes, I think so. And this is fully justified.
    Ukraine has always been grain-growing. And there was not enough land in the past. Under the kings, this issue was resolved by the allocation of land and the resettlement of the peasantry. For this reason, people still speak Surzhik (balachka) very far to the east. For it is not populated by you!
    Yet? Yes please! When was the USSR, what did we vote for the independence from the beginning? Not. You yourself pushed us to the sidelines. Stupidly through the KGB agents, collecting three downs and falling apart everything from above. Later, using the same method as you have now, Vova and edro vote - pile the second. And that is frail.
    And then - everything as you write above. First, you indulge the local princes, along with ami you cultivate incomprehensibly what, and then kill the Russians.
    Or according to Yanukovych. After all, yours have been guarded for the whole term. Under the guise of the Moscow security company. Will you deny this too? So it is he, i.e. from your submission, led everything into such a dead end.
    What? And then there will be a bunch of complaints to us? What is interesting for ...
    Do you want more? Sure, not a problem. Almost all the markets in my city belonged to the Baturinsky. Tons of black cash directly to Moscow from 1998 and even to 2005 somewhere. And this is all over the southeast. And Oblenergo, by the way and not only. Too to us claims? Oh well...
    Or now. We have an ass here by the way. And what are you doing? Who are you promoting us to help? Some radicals sponsor. And the main thing is tying us the son of a policeman and Rabinovich, who was imprisoned for such a scum that you can goof. And my dad just entered the group that took him. I know everything in detail. What's this? Also, there are some claims to us that you shit it for us, but we don’t want to eat it?
    I can go on for a long time ... But I don’t see the point. Just tired!

    And from here I have a very simple question for those who have a million complaints here, it is not clear to whom and for what. Doesn’t you squeeze anything in your skull box for an hour? I don’t mention God anymore, although hope remains ... for if he were, then those who would have too many claims to be under close scrutiny would now be.
    For you yourself are falling apart all over again. Then together gulbasite and rob everyone ... Well, then you have a bunch of questions and complaints to everyone ... well, except yourself naturally.

    That’s all for me. I am Russian. You are not Russian. This is not a Russian spirit. And such a Russian can not be called according to covenants not by nature. No way !. For it is stupid zhudovstvo in its purest form!
    See you in the trenches. On mine, on Russian soil.
    1. Phoenix040
      Phoenix040 27 June 2020 22: 32 New
      +5
      First of all, Ukraine was always rotten, swore allegiance to 8 countries and betrayed everyone. Even Ukraine was always lazy and thieving, because it did not like to work, in the USSR it was a subsidized region, but it loved stealing the territories of its neighbors and pumping rights on foreign lands. The soldiers from the Ukrainians were always mediocre, but the killers, marauders and SS men were first-class, this filthy affair the Ukrainians noted as a part of Austria-Hungary by taking part in the suppression of the Czech uprising against Austria-Hungary, for which they received from their duchess of Austria their black flag. Lack of land in foreign countries, this is not the sadness of Russia and we have no desire to supply you with our own land. Ukraine proclaimed independence one of the first. Nobody pushed out something to Chukotka, only rotten Banderaites try to transfer arrows for their natural rot to others. Russians don’t tear their ass for Bandera’s den, remember this once and for all, DROP. The earth is Russian, but not yours! And at the expense of God, such as you in Odessa, on the basis of Soviet missile boats, they killed and robbed those who refused to swear allegiance to your Ukraine in the name of God, or someone else ?! Or did you think no one remembers that ?! The lad was mistaken, Russia’s memory is good, strong, and Russians are accustomed to returning their debts ... Russia will return everything for Odessa and Chechnya and Ossetia and Donbass ... with percentages. For now, prepare your bags and your back, otherwise I’ll load in the trenches did not make ... Russia captive Bandera is not needed ...
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 27 June 2020 22: 58 New
    -6
    Quote: Phoenix040
    First of all, Ukraine was always rotten, swore allegiance to 8 countries and betrayed everyone. Even Ukraine was always lazy and thieving, because it did not like to work, in the USSR it was a subsidized region, but it loved stealing the territories of its neighbors and pumping rights on foreign lands. The soldiers from the Ukrainians were always mediocre, but the killers, marauders and SS men were first-class, this filthy affair the Ukrainians noted as a part of Austria-Hungary by taking part in the suppression of the Czech uprising against Austria-Hungary, for which they received from their duchess of Austria their black flag. Lack of land in foreign countries, this is not the sadness of Russia and we have no desire to supply you with our own land. Ukraine proclaimed independence one of the first. Nobody pushed out something to Chukotka, only rotten Banderaites try to transfer arrows for their natural rot to others. Russians don’t tear their ass for Bandera’s den, remember this once and for all, DROP. The earth is Russian, but not yours! And at the expense of God, such as you in Odessa, on the basis of Soviet missile boats, they killed and robbed those who refused to swear allegiance to your Ukraine in the name of God, or someone else ?! Or did you think no one remembers that ?! The lad was mistaken, Russia’s memory is good, strong, and Russians are accustomed to returning their debts ... Russia will return everything for Odessa and Chechnya and Ossetia and Donbass ... with percentages. For now, prepare your bags and your back, otherwise I’ll load in the trenches did not make ... Russia captive Bandera is not needed ...

    Blah blah blah, sworn, infidels, villains, scum. Where are the specifics? I've written specific things. Clear. As the Russians accepted. You write indiscriminately and on emotions. So Russian-speaking non-Russians like to build a dialogue.
    Then again blah blah blah ... thieving and lazy. Stamp for stamp. You go to any farmer and ask what the fertile layer of more than 30cm means. And you will be wildly upset. In a wooded and purely steppe area this is not characteristic. But the uniform distribution just indicates active CX activity. Long and successful.
    At the expense of where and how Ukrainians were noted in the armies of all sorts and the SS - I want to disappoint you. In WWII, slightly less than 1.5 million citizens of the USSR served in different parts of the Wehrmacht. And then Vlasovites or Bandera’s people figure out who is worthy!
    At the expense of independence - read the results of the referendum. YOUR specialists pots were scored by people, but they still voted for the union!
    At the expense of Odessa - I can get such a few scumbags up to my ears. Like our people, even in good times, they brought trains from the Far East, and along the way, the Chechens robbed under the roof of your state. Stupidly unloading cars on the go! But I do not breathe anger at you for this. Who are you anyway? Zero without a wand!

    In short ... we have not yet fought, and you have already "swam". Some emotions, indiscriminate cries, name-calling. And in general there is nothing but emotions.

    For the rest - you are driven only by some strange incomprehensible wild malice, which I started with. Russia will return everything. Russia has all the claims. Russia remembers everything.
    It is strange that you are broadcasting on behalf of the Russians ... I wrote above ... here the Russians no longer smell like anything. In me there are more than 10 Russian people like you. Go get upset about this.
    Threat. You also forgot to log in. Cheap...
    1. Phoenix040
      Phoenix040 27 June 2020 23: 13 New
      +5
      I also received a Soviet passport and a Soviet birth certificate with a column of nationality, so do not tell me for my nationality, I clearly know her boy. I swore to Russia, and you to your Ukropia, you will also go to war for your cat killer Stefanchik Bandera and his coder of Hitler’s deficiencies, so that Russian is from you, like a dung bullet .... So ROA Vlasov was formed not from Russian, but from Soviet There are more than half of the nationals of patients with Russophobia and Ukrainians such as the Vlasov Naumenko in the ROA, there were Volga Germans, such as the Vlas Lanvpe Vlas and Caucasians, such as the Kromiadi Vlasov, and of course people like you, the Russian-speaking nerus, including with Russian surnames, half-breeds, sick Russophobia ... Well, yes, as your one was shot in the Crimea, so you are still whining, but how our people were shot in Odessa, it’s such a trifle ... Well, no, you’ll be naughty, it won’t take a ride ... I certainly don’t big, but not zero, and I don’t complain about my kindness ... you sing to me about your kindness because you know the chip will go to war Russia will break your Bandera gangs like a Tuzik heating pad ... you won’t see any victory ... you’re cheap to eat, UKROPchik, and I brought enough facts, such as Dmitro Korchinsky, Valery Bobrovich, Igor Mazur and others of your scumbags from UNSO do not hide the fact that they fought against the Russian Federation and in Chechnya and Ossetia and are now participating in the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass, the very people who, unlike you, have preserved Russian culture and ride with portraits Shukhevych is not going to
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 28 June 2020 10: 43 New
    -5
    Quote: Phoenix040
    I also received a Soviet passport and a Soviet birth certificate with a column of nationality, so do not tell me for my nationality, I clearly know her boy. I swore to Russia, and you to your Ukropia, you will also go to war for your cat killer Stefanchik Bandera and his coder of Hitler’s deficiencies, so that Russian is from you, like a dung bullet .... So ROA Vlasov was formed not from Russian, but from Soviet There are more than half of the nationals of patients with Russophobia and Ukrainians such as the Vlasov Naumenko in the ROA, there were Volga Germans, such as the Vlas Lanvpe Vlas and Caucasians, such as the Kromiadi Vlasov, and of course people like you, the Russian-speaking nerus, including with Russian surnames, half-breeds, sick Russophobia ... Well, yes, as your one was shot in the Crimea, so you are still whining, but how our people were shot in Odessa, it’s such a trifle ... Well, no, you’ll be naughty, it won’t take a ride ... I certainly don’t big, but not zero, and I don’t complain about my kindness ... you sing to me about your kindness because you know the chip will go to war Russia will break your Bandera gangs like a Tuzik heating pad ... you won’t see any victory ... you’re cheap to eat, UKROPchik, and I brought enough facts, such as Dmitro Korchinsky, Valery Bobrovich, Igor Mazur and others of your scumbags from UNSO do not hide the fact that they fought against the Russian Federation and in Chechnya and Ossetia and are now participating in the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass, the very people who, unlike you, have preserved Russian culture and ride with portraits Shukhevych is not going to


    Again the emotions and incoherent delirium of the patient with an angry chauvinist. You can have Russian written in your passport at least 10 times. Only here you can’t deceive nature. Zero are you. Without a wand ... Russian.
    Korchinsky brought? So your half-blood bought it back in 2006-7. Famous story. And not only him.
    But the essence of your work is clear. Spatter anger. You yourself all fell apart at first. Then we were overseen by Yanyka. Then they finished off everything on the bottoms. And right now, your eyes were flooded with TV propaganda, they say, the Nazis were around.
    I want to upset you. Fascism in Ukraine rises, rises ... but it still does not rise. And it’s just enough for a picture for your media. And then you have to pull out!
    Well-known tactics. First, grow up radicals along with pundos, then supposedly shoot at them, but really around the country. It seems to be so in Syria.
    Which just proves once again. There is zero Russian in you. Neither by covenant nor by nature. Tactics are pure humor. In pure form.
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 28 June 2020 14: 06 New
      +4
      Incoherent nonsense, it’s you, Hitler’s untrained lackeys, and we know the price for you. Chauvinist ?! I never thought that this applies to a person who hits a boor and a thief in a brazen face, or is going to do it! Listen to you, so you don’t pay taxes on the ATO, financing the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass, but I! Yes, all your SBU, APU, UNSO, Freedom, Fatherland and the like fascists !!!
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 28 June 2020 20: 30 New
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    Quote: Shadow041
    Incoherent nonsense, it’s you, Hitler’s untrained lackeys, and we know the price for you. Chauvinist ?! I never thought that this applies to a person who hits a boor and a thief in a brazen face, or is going to do it! Listen to you, so you don’t pay taxes on the ATO, financing the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass, but I! Yes, all your SBU, APU, UNSO, Freedom, Fatherland and the like fascists !!!

    Again incoherently spraying with saliva.
    At the expense of the Donbass ... well, I xs. What did you do with the Chechens at one time?
    So I would advise you to learn from smart and Russian people. For example, with me. I don’t touch this topic. For there is no truth from either side. But, nevertheless, yours have acted more rotten with this region. It is a fact.
    So what? You have not given birth to anything besides malice.
    Do you speak Russian? Not a single Russian would hide behind a passport ... or do you think how we neutralized you all in the 30s and managed to get ready for war? Everything is simple :)
    In general ... spray on your saliva further. This is already touching ...
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 28 June 2020 22: 04 New
      +4
      With Chechens, or with 50000 of your UNSO who got lost in Chechnya ... I'm not talking about sprats and other Russophobes who got lost there. There was a civil war in Chechnya between Chechen Dudaev and Chechen Gantamirov, but what did Ukraine forget there ?! You are not smart, you are arrogant, like all Bandera and not Russian, so teach curies in the Carpathians, not me. And if you haven’t noticed, not one person writes to you ..
  • Old26
    Old26 29 June 2020 00: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: Sloboda0
    advised to learn from smart and Russian people. For example, with me.

    Yes, you certainly won’t die of modesty ...
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 29 June 2020 10: 10 New
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    Quote: Shadow041
    With Chechens, or with 50000 of your UNSO who got lost in Chechnya ... I'm not talking about sprats and other Russophobes who got lost there. There was a civil war in Chechnya between Chechen Dudaev and Chechen Gantamirov, but what did Ukraine forget there ?! You are not smart, you are arrogant, like all Bandera and not Russian, so teach curies in the Carpathians, not me. And if you haven’t noticed, not one person writes to you ..

    Yeah. 100500 lost UNSO. We, in the amount indicated by you, did not have them all over Ukraine then.
    This is already a blizzard.
    Moreover, given the fact that your fornication in the Donbass is still.
    And the first thesis is coming back. What did you do with Chechnya? And why is something wrong in the Donbass? Stupidly double standards.
    Sprinkle another saliva. This is already fun.
    1. Kestrel
      Kestrel 29 June 2020 15: 09 New
      +4
      Yes, you always had them, unfortunately Nikita Khrushchev released his Bandera compatriots with hard labor alive. And now you have the Nazis as dirt and you are one of them, since you have the audacity to blame Russia and Russians for all the sins of Ukraine, whom your Ukraine simply physically destroys by staging genocide. In Chechnya, we destroyed your fascists from the Baltic states and Ukraine + instructors from the USA who came in large numbers! By the way, you should be reminded how in Grozny, on Minutka Square, Dudaev and such ruky Ukrainians as you set up a slave market where people, including Chechens, were sold into slavery, like rams. Something I don’t remember in Russia, including the Donbass, such as you selling at the bazaar, like shoe laces, so keep quiet and don’t make yourself Russian and Devil’s lawyer. Such as you are only Bandera debris, animals, looters and fascists involved in robbery and murder on a national basis! We will not spray with saliva, we have rockets for this ...
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 30 June 2020 09: 04 New
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    Quote: Kestrel
    Yes, you always had them, unfortunately Nikita Khrushchev released his Bandera compatriots with hard labor alive. And now you have the Nazis as dirt and you are one of them, since you have the audacity to blame Russia and Russians for all the sins of Ukraine, whom your Ukraine simply physically destroys by staging genocide. In Chechnya, we destroyed your fascists from the Baltic states and Ukraine + instructors from the USA who came in large numbers! By the way, you should be reminded how in Grozny, on Minutka Square, Dudaev and such ruky Ukrainians as you set up a slave market where people, including Chechens, were sold into slavery, like rams. Something I don’t remember in Russia, including the Donbass, such as you selling at the bazaar, like shoe laces, so keep quiet and don’t make yourself Russian and Devil’s lawyer. Such as you are only Bandera debris, animals, looters and fascists involved in robbery and murder on a national basis! We will not spray with saliva, we have rockets for this ...

    Yeah. I already wrote this. Fascism is coming back. Everything will not return in any way. But right at the picture for the media there is enough of him to such dumbheads as you motivate.
    Everything else is again stupidly spraying with saliva and some kind of waste is not clear to me. In Chechnya, frostbite from Ukraine was garbage and officially the country dissociated itself from that ... but what informational reason. Well, in your Donbass, every second and the country is open in the process - and there is supposedly no reason.
    Stupidly double standards. Pundostan also always acted.
    What else can I say. It's time for the big scum. You are welcome to Ukraine. We also have enough shit ... but SUCH ... even this we do not have. Current export from Russia!
    1. Bear040
      Bear040 30 June 2020 11: 32 New
      +2
      And where did your fascism not return then, and DROP ?! You staged the genocide of the Russian people, namely the Russian people living in Russian culture, and not horses with portraits of Shukhevych, like you. Your army walks in Hitler’s helmets, with Hitler’s tattoos, the emblem of your 28th brigade is no different from any military unit of Nazi Germany. I'm not saying that for what you did in the Donbass, your entire army is not hung up 40 times, you are war criminals, no statute of limitations for your crimes. In Chechnya, yours was full and your Ukraine did not extradite a single Bandera bandit , at the request of the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation, and for Ossetia your bandits (including the APU) received apartments from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. You always had your own shit. Suffice it to recall Tymoshenko, who called for the Russians to be killed with an atomic bomb and Tyagnebok, who called for the killings of Russians and Jews. Worthy descendants of the Nazi SS!
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 1 July 2020 23: 43 New
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    Quote: Bear040
    And where did your fascism not return then, and DROP ?! You staged the genocide of the Russian people, namely the Russian people living in Russian culture, and not horses with portraits of Shukhevych, like you. Your army walks in Hitler’s helmets, with Hitler’s tattoos, the emblem of your 28th brigade is no different from any military unit of Nazi Germany. I'm not saying that for what you did in the Donbass, your entire army is not hung up 40 times, you are war criminals, no statute of limitations for your crimes. In Chechnya, yours was full and your Ukraine did not extradite a single Bandera bandit , at the request of the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation, and for Ossetia your bandits (including the APU) received apartments from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. You always had your own shit. Suffice it to recall Tymoshenko, who called for the Russians to be killed with an atomic bomb and Tyagnebok, who called for the killings of Russians and Jews. Worthy descendants of the Nazi SS!

    Sprinkle saliva on. Only confirm the first thesis. Russian in you zero without a stick.
    And there is just enough fascism to have enough for the media picture. The rest - stupidly small mercenaries on the RFP at the oligarchy, which is often rooted in the Russian Federation. Well, it's no secret to anyone for a long time. The United States acts differently in this regard. They control the Natsik mercenaries directly, without a layer in the form of money bags, Russian-speaking Negus.
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 2 July 2020 15: 30 New
      +3
      Why do we spit saliva. We have made our conclusion regarding you and your country Russophobia-sick and it is final. But do not scare us with trenches, it’s not scary how you yourself wouldn’t be scared, as the president of a union of Georgia, who ate a tie! I’m not a horse with a portrait of Shukhevych calling myself Russian and judging how much Russian is in us! You load these fables with magazines from the USA, we have seen your fascism and atrocities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over civilians with our own eyes. Only one thing you have forgotten - the Earth is small, round and you have to pay for everything, but from people like you still ask ...
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 4 July 2020 10: 13 New
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    Quote: Shadow041
    Why do we spit saliva. We have made our conclusion regarding you and your country Russophobia-sick and it is final. But do not scare us with trenches, it’s not scary how you yourself wouldn’t be scared, as the president of a union of Georgia, who ate a tie! I’m not a horse with a portrait of Shukhevych calling myself Russian and judging how much Russian is in us! You load these fables with magazines from the USA, we have seen your fascism and atrocities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over civilians with our own eyes. Only one thing you have forgotten - the Earth is small, round and you have to pay for everything, but from people like you still ask ...

    I agree. We walk under God. I did not go to you. And life didn’t make you worse. And you came to me and made worse. And half of the Natsiks are financed from Moscow, your half-bloods. So if God really were, he would not be looking at us right now. Everything is clear with us. And for those who shout the loudest and climb into someone else's garden.
    1. Night sniper
      Night sniper 4 July 2020 12: 14 New
      0
      Not you, so your fellow countrymen walked and shot at us in the Caucasus, which, including Chechnya, was not a part of Ukraine for a single day, and even in Ossetia and Abkhazia it doesn’t even smell of Ukraine, which did not prevent your Yushchenko from sending his Supreme scumbags. Washington finances your Natsikov, just as he finances all kinds of troubled ones, such as Dali Grybauskaite, who was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, in Soviet times was detained by USSR law enforcement agencies for currency passion for foreign men, and then changed his shoes in the air and how the Romanian fascist Sofochka Rotaru began to roll a barrel in Russian and the Russian Federation. So do not go into someone else's garden! Your Ukraine became part of Russia within the borders of 1, and this is yours, and leave our lands for good, late, and you see, the patience of the Russians and Russia is not unlimited, but for the genocide of the Russian people that your APU-SBUS animals have arranged in the Donbass 1654 skins to lower you a little.
  • Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 5 July 2020 12: 14 New
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    Quote: Night Sniper
    Not you, so your fellow countrymen walked and shot at us in the Caucasus, which, including Chechnya, was not a part of Ukraine for a single day, and even in Ossetia and Abkhazia it doesn’t even smell of Ukraine, which did not prevent your Yushchenko from sending his Supreme scumbags. Washington finances your Natsikov, just as he finances all kinds of troubled ones, such as Dali Grybauskaite, who was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, in Soviet times was detained by USSR law enforcement agencies for currency passion for foreign men, and then changed his shoes in the air and how the Romanian fascist Sofochka Rotaru began to roll a barrel in Russian and the Russian Federation. So do not go into someone else's garden! Your Ukraine became part of Russia within the borders of 1, and this is yours, and leave our lands for good, late, and you see, the patience of the Russians and Russia is not unlimited, but for the genocide of the Russian people that your APU-SBUS animals have arranged in the Donbass 1654 skins to lower you a little.

    Again verbal diarrhea. Your guest performers have done so much for us that a couple dozen scumbags in Chechnya will never compensate for this.
    So here you have a loud bunch in the water.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 10 July 2020 23: 54 New
    0
    Something everyone went into the distribution, they all mixed up, they all collected both personal and impersonal. Someone in the Russian front, some in the French, some in Russian, some in Perseus, in general, you can’t make out anything. This is such a vinaigrette.
    And the article, in fact, is only about a specific missile of Ukraine. In general, the opinion about the missile, yes, it is a project from the USSR in the base, can be slightly modernized, but the characteristics in general, the basic X-35 missile, are just all the accessories for its equipment, which previously they weren’t issued in Nezalezhnaya, now it can release, albeit with reservations, but maybe in small batches but it can, if Nezalezhnaya wants to. The question is, who in Nenka will take responsibility to simply give them a salvo? There are no madmen in RF, so just in case, let’s say, let’s say, let’s say “Caliber, Onyx, or X101” in Ukraine. Further “Neptuns” with platforms will need a lot, and in different geographical points, since this missile is intercepted by modern air defense and missile defense Russia, with effort, of course, but still intercepted. We won’t talk about lightness, in case of war everything is difficult and difficult. Plus in Russia, intelligence. Services with air and space intelligence also probably do not eat their own bread. So the perspective is unclear .Besides that the rocket itself, nothing needs a platform for their readiness to use. And they still have to build and build. Yes, and leakage of secret information from different Ukrainian representatives is a bit too much. Yes, and it’s difficult to hide the preparations for the war in general. the sight of all possible locations and deployment sites of missile systems of an unfriendly state, than they manage to provide an uninterrupted strike. Plus, we’ll have a look at the military operations at sea, the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine will not have better time. Maybe someday, I want it to be. In general, defeating the enemy’s army will not be possible with one or two types of weapons, even in a limited theater of operations. Reich also relied on miracle weapons, did not wait. Block and strike with heavy losses, if not fatal, as well as Russia will still have more leverage for ensuring the defeat of the enemy than Ukraine.
    And the political aspect: If Ukraine nevertheless stalks its opponents in relation to the Russian Federation and rushes to it. I don’t want to wish Ukraine anything bad, and in a nightmare I don’t dream of a war with it. But Ukraine doesn’t hurt to know that nationalization-fascism leads to sad results. Remaking a joint story, to put it mildly ignoble. Missile rattling, "Neptune, Alder" and God forbid use, this is no longer a provocation, it is a star. Let Ukraine have these missiles, no one is against it, the main thing is not to blackmail the threat, or use them against the Russian Federation. Then prove that the camel will not it’s not anyone, and it’s useless. Any top officials of the state or military leaders, even though they have to understand here that this will not be a provocation, this is a war. Provocation in order to start hostilities is a criminal operation of special forces (cold and small arms) on its territory against part of its population of its nationality, or the murder of its politician, or provocative actions, on the enemy’s territory against its national diaspora (such places in the Russian Federation and Ukraine are a dime a dozen) under the guise and in equipping of the enemy’s armed forces, the purpose of allegedly compromising the enemy’s armed forces in front of their population in order to justify the outbreak of war. And if a missile attack is considered a provocation, this is a war, definitely without options. Plus to all who it is planning to start a war, should it prepare for it, and whether the question will turn out? We don’t need a war, the actions of the Russian Federation in the Crimea, this was shown, by the way, the story with Georgia too. rubbish. In this case, to save the face, and even the life of the enemy, is decided more often by the Russian Federation. Someone tells us who doesn’t. Russia has provocations, angelic patience, but also probably unlimited. And the question is, does anyone need this? Russia definitely doesn’t. All this tramp needs to hide what the Anglo-Saxon society hides. As one of the field marshals of the Reich said, “You always know how to start a war with Russia, but you don’t know when, how and where Russia will end it.” Russians harness for a long time, but They drive too fast. Better thin, but peace than a good war.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 28 July 2020 04: 37 New
    0
    Most likely, the first salvo of a separate launcher or battalion will be their last.

    In my opinion, even the first salvo will be simply anticipated. With the "secrecy" shown by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only the lazy does not know about the "strategic" intentions of this entity, which calls itself "foreign".
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 29 July 2020 20: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Quote: svp67
    And if she will not be alone,

    Reason absolutely correctly. If Ukrainians enter into cooperation with a country with money and access to technology, then to make a multi-platform rocket, to learn serially more than real. As soon as there is a crisis in Russia, the DNI, LC, Ossetia will cease to exist and this will be coordinated.
    I’m directly surprised at how the Russians are pouring mud on the fraternal Slavic peoples, I will never understand that.

    They will not join, after problems with Southeast Asia no one will transfer technology, it’s not that time, and the cooperating countries are not the same, there are enough of our own problems. They can set them on, lend weapons, they are not capable of the rest yet
  • wow
    wow 13 August 2020 13: 53 New
    0
    There is, in fact, no one capable of producing anything. Either they died of old age, or fled, who are younger. And the rest of the svidomye (read - s) wash toilets in "europe".
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 August 2020 22: 31 New
    0
    If not Neptune, then Harpoon. You still need to be prepared to repel a volley, moreover, from 72 missiles.
  • DeKo
    DeKo 4 September 2020 08: 02 New
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    It's just that Ukraine once again decided to "fart loudly".