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Plates and Cords: Armor of the Land of the Rising Sun

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Plates and Cords: Armor of the Land of the Rising Sun
Samurai of the Nambokutyo era (1336-1392): Samurai on the left in the traditional o-yoroy armor; a samurai in the center - in do-maru armor (“around the body”) with geyo breastplates; the samurai on the right is also dressed in a Do-Maru, and on his head is an eboshi hat - the headgear of the samurai, which they wore instead of a comforter. Fig. Angus McBride


I'm sitting at the brazier
and look how it gets wet under the rain
on the street the prince ...
Issa


Armor and weapon samurai of japan. Plate of Japanese armor is usually painted in various colors with the help of organic pigments. For example, they were blackened with ordinary soot; bright red color was given by cinnabar; brown was obtained by mixing red paint with black. It was the dark brown color of the varnish that was especially popular in Japan, which was associated with the custom of drinking tea, as well as the fashion for everything old. In this case, this color gave the impression of a metal surface, rusty from old age, although the rust itself was not there. The fantasy of the masters was unlimited: one added finely chopped straw to the varnish, the other poured powder of burnt clay, and some pounded corals. Golden Lacquer was obtained by adding gold dust to it or by coating products with thin sheet gold. The red color was also very popular, since it was considered the color of the war, in addition, blood was not so visible on such armors, but from afar they made a frightening impression on the enemy. It seemed that the people in them were splattered with blood from head to toe. Not only varnishing of armor, but even the varnish itself was very expensive. The fact is that the varnish tree juice is collected only from June to October, and since it is best secreted late at night, its collectors do not have to sleep at this time. And for the whole season, which lasts six months, one tree gives only one cup of juice! The process of coating finished products with this varnish is also complicated. The reason is that the Japanese varnish Urusi cannot be dried, as is usually accepted, but must be kept in the fresh air, but it is necessary in the shade and in damp. Therefore, varnishing of large batches of varnish products is sometimes done in an earthen pit arranged so that water flows down its walls and is covered with palm leaves on top. That is, such a production required great knowledge, experience and patience, but on the other hand, the resistance of the varnish to the effects of the Japanese climate and mechanical damage was really exceptional. The sheath of swords and metal and leather plates of armor, the surface of helmets and face masks, greaves and stirrups were varnished, so it is not surprising that only one armor needed varnish from several trees, which is why its cost was very, very high !


A pair of daiso sonee swords ("big and small"): katana and wakizashi. It is assumed that their owner was Toyotomi Hideyoshi. The sheath is red lacquered and decorated with stripes of gold foil.

Box perfection


In the previous article, it was said that already at the beginning of the XNUMXth century the classic armor of the samurai was the o-yoroy armor, or “big armor”, which differed from keiko’s later armor in that it was one large piece that wrapped around the warrior’s torso and covered chest, left side and back, but on the right side it was necessary to put on a separate plate of vaidate. The cuirass was called sh-yoroy before and consisted of several rows of nakagawa plates. On the upper part of the Munaite cuirass, shoulder straps were provided by the wagons, which had a thick lining, while on their shoulders they had vertically standing shojin-ita plates that did not allow a sword to strike from the side of the warrior's neck.


Shiro-ito odoshi tsumadori o-yoi - a very old armor of the o-yo Heian era with a chevron pattern in the form of a half corner to the left. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The plates on the chest of the cuirass were covered with dressed leather, which was associated with the practice of Japanese archery. The shooter stood to the opponent with his left side and pulled the bowstring to his right shoulder. So, so that when shooting the bowstring does not touch the edges of the plates of the cuirass, they were covered with smoothly crafted skin. The armpits in front were protected by plates fixed to the cords: the sandan-no-ita also of the plates was on the right, and the narrow one-piece kyubi-no-it plate was on the left. Protection for the lower body and thighs was the trapezoidal shape of the kusazuri, which also consisted of laced plates. They did not come up with a shell-like collar for armor, but the warrior's shoulders were covered with large rectangular o-sode shoulder pads, similar to large flexible shields. They rested on thick silk cords tied on their backs in the form of a bow called agemaki. Interestingly, no matter what color the lacing of the armor itself was, the o-sode cords and agemaki bow were always only red.


But this is already lighter and not so heavy haramaki-do armor, which means "around the body." An example of a monochromatic tight lacing of a blue odoshi kebiki


Back view. Interestingly, the bow agemaki on this armor is for some reason dark blue, although, in theory, it should have been red!


Another Kuro-do-maru armor of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries - all black, with black plates and cords. The o-sode shoulder pads for the do-maru armor were the same as the o-yory armor

Two types of art: odoshi and cabiki


Also, Japanese armor differed from European ones in that, firstly, the lacing pattern, and secondly, its density and material of the cords did not play a utilitarian, but a very important role, and, moreover, they were even special for gunsmiths types of art: the first - odoshi, the second - kebiki. And the point here was far from one beauty. It was the color of the cords and the patterns of these cords on the armor that helped the samurai distinguish their own from strangers, even if the armor of the same color was on different sides. It is believed that clans began to distinguish by color even during the time of Emperor Seyv (856-876), when the Fujiwara family chose light green, Tyra chose purple, and Tachibana chose yellow, etc. The armor of the legendary Empress Jingo had a dark crimson lacing, for which they were called “red sewing armor”.

As in many other countries of the world, the Japanese warriors preferred red to everyone else. But among them, white was also popular - the color of mourning. It was usually used by those who wanted to show that they were looking for death in battle or that their cause was hopeless. Accordingly, the density of weaving with cords demonstrated the position of the warrior in his clan. The tight lacing, which almost completely covered the entire surface of the plates, was the property of the noble armor. And ordinary infantry-ashigaru on armor had the very minimum of cords.

Cords and colors


To connect the plates in Japanese armor, leather cords (gava-odoshi) or silk cords (ito-odoshi) could be used. The simplest and at the same time popular was the dense weaving of cords of the same color - kebiki-odoshi. It is interesting that if the cords were leather, say, white, then they could be decorated with a small drawing of flowers of Japanese cherry - kodzakura-odoshi. In this case, the flowers themselves could be red, and dark blue and even black, and the background, respectively, white, yellow or brown. Weaving with such cords was especially popular during the Heian period and at the beginning of the Kamakura period. However, the fantasy of Japanese masters was not limited to such a simple one-color lacing, and over time they began to combine the colors of the cords. And for each such weaving, naturally, its own name was immediately invented. So, if with one-color weaving, one or two upper rows of plates were fastened with white cords, then this weaving was called kata-odoshi, and it was popular at the very beginning of the Muromachi period. A variant in which cords of a different color came from below was called kositori-odyoshi; but if the color stripes in the armor alternated, it was already a Dan-Odoshi weaving, characteristic of the end of the same period.


Do-maru with Iro-Iro-Odoshi weaving

Weaving from strips of cords of different colors was called iro-iro-odoshi, also characteristic of the end of Muromachi. Iro-iro-odoshi, in which the color of each strip was replaced in the middle by another, also had its own name - katami-gavari-odoshi. In the XII century. the complex weaving of susugo-odoshi spread, in which the uppermost strip was white, and the color of each new strip was darker than the previous one, starting from the second strip and down. Moreover, between the white strip at the top and the rest with shades of the selected color, one strip of yellow weaving was placed. Sometimes weaving had the form of a chevron: saga-omodaka-odoshi (top angle) and omodoga-odoshi (downward angle). The tsumadori-odoshi pattern looked like a half angle and was especially popular at the end of the Kamakura period - the beginning of the Muromachi period. And sikime-odoshi is a checkerboard weave.


Do-maru armor from Aomori Prefecture (northern part of the former Mutsu province), dates from the end of the XNUMXth century. and is traditionally associated with Akita Sanesue, a daimyo of the Akita family. The armor is fastened with an unusual motley silk cord in the style of kata-aka oshoshi (with a red top). On the belts atagi appeared curly leaf-shaped plates of gyo. The mirror on the helmet between the horns of the Kuwagat served to scare away evil spirits


And here is the o-sode shoulder pad from this armor. The lacing paint on the top faded a lot

And this is only a small part of the options for weaving generated by the imagination of the master armor. Much of the lacing depicted the coat of arms - the mon of the owner of the armor. For example, the swastika was on the o-sode of the northern Tsugaru clan. Well, such weaving as kamatsuma-dora-odoshi completely represented the original color pattern. But the pinnacle of the art of weaving, which required special skill, was weaving fushinava-me-odoshi. Its essence was to use leather cords embossed with blue paint, which after drawing through the holes formed a complex colored pattern on the surface of the armor. The most popular such lacing was in the Nambokutyo era.


Haramaki-do Sengoku armor with katami-gawari-oshoshi lacing - “half body replacement”


Haramaki armor, before the Edo era, XVII century, whose o-sode is decorated with the image of a paulownia flower

In theory, the pattern and colors of the lacing should have been repeated on all details of the armor, including o-sode and kusazuri. But there were do-maru and haramaki-do armor on which the o-sode had one pattern, which was then repeated on the body, but the pattern was different on the kusazuri plates. Usually it was the darkest color of the strip on the cuirass before and on o-sode. When describing lacing, terms like ito and gava (kava) are often found. They indicate flat silk cords and leather straps, respectively. Thus, the description of the cord consists of the name of the material and its color, which, for example, shiro-ito-odoshi is a white silk cord, and kuro-gava-odoshi is a black leather strap.


O-sode of this armor


Dzinbaori is a sleeveless cape worn by generals over armor. Usually made of dense fabric and decorated with the image of monks. In this case, we see the Shinazu clan jinbaori sewn from red velvet with a white collar. Still, some samurai were great originals, needless to say! Age of Edo, XIX century


Shimazu Clan Jinbaori: Rear View


And this is the Jinbaori of the Shinosukaku Clan: front view. Age of Edo, XIX century


Rear view

The full name of the Japanese armor was very difficult and difficult for the European to remember, since it included the name of the color of the cords and the material from which they were made, such as the weaving used and the type of armor itself. It turns out that the o-yoru armor, in which the red and blue silk cords alternate, will have the name: aka-con ito dan-odoshi yoroy, while the color that was always above was always called the first. A do-maru with a red lacing and a half chevron would be called aka-tsumadori ito-odoshi do-maru, and haramaki armor with black leather straps would be called kuro-gawa odoshi haramaki-do.

However, one should not think that the Japanese used only armor made of plates, both metal and leather. Very original armor of the Haramaki-do type is known, on the outside it looked like it was made entirely of leather strips connected by cords.


The most famous of this type of armor is the brown armor of the kawatsuzumi haramaki from Itsukushima Shrine (Miyajima Island in the Inland Sea), the Nambokutyo period

Fusube-kawatsutsumi haramaki armor (indoor smoked skin). It consists of two plates for the torso, front and back, and a “skirt” of seven five-tiered kusazuri. Such armor was popular during the Sengoku period, the “war period”, when demand for them grew and it was necessary to satisfy it in a hurry. Here the gunsmiths came up with such armor. The fact is that under the skin there were also metal plates, but ... very different, of different types and sizes, from different armor, collected from the pine forest. It is clear that no self-respecting samurai would wear such armor. He would have been laughed at. But ... they were not visible under the skin! There is also one such armor in the Tokyo National Museum, which we will now see, both in front and behind.


Fusube-kawatsutsumi haramaki armor: front view


Back view. Please note that, unlike other armors tied on the side, haramaki was tied on the back. The place where the ties were located was covered by a special plate called se-ita - the “plate of a coward”. But on this armor it is absent. Either she was not at all, or she was simply lost

To be continued ...
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 June 2020 05: 09 New
    +4
    I can not unequivocally appreciate all these cords, ribbons and records. There is some "ostentatiousness" in it: look at me and my armor and tremble with fear. I have no opportunity to compare the fighting power of samurai and warriors of other states, and I have no desire to learn the skills of a warrior against a peasant. ONE I CAN'T MISS:
    Samurai upbringing
    Family education and teacher's instructions were two main factors, the foundation in the education of young people of the samurai class, which formed the ideal of a warrior, based on mythical tales, Buddhist indifference to death, fear and pain, the Confucian cult of filial piety and a purely Japanese basis - loyalty to his feudal lord. The family and the mentor primarily cared about the formation of the character of the teenager, developed courage and courage, endurance and patience. In addition to training, future samurai were raised fearless and bold, in other words, developed qualities that were considered among the samurai to be the most important virtues, in which a warrior could neglect his own life for the life of another. This character was developed by reading stories and stories about the courage and militancy of legendary heroes, famous military leaders and samurai, watching theatrical performances. Often, the father ordered the future warrior to develop courage at night to go to the cemetery or place known for its notoriety (where the "evil spirit" was "found", etc.). It was practiced by the boys visiting public punishments and executions, as well as a night inspection of the severed heads of the criminals, in which the samurai son should have left his sign proving that the young bushi really came to the place indicated to him. In order to develop patience and endurance among young people, the sons of warriors were forced to do overwork and hard work, spend nights awake (during the holidays of the teaching gods), walk barefoot in winter, get up early, etc. Unintentional deprivation of food was considered useful.

    This says that the professional military was prepared ahead of time.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 June 2020 05: 43 New
      +6
      Hmm! To go to the cemetery, and even in order to educate !!! In childhood, knew such brave men. They are still there and sweets after the Trinity burst. The poor people didn’t know that they thereby embarked on the "Samurai path." laughing
      And yet, before the ancient Spartans, samurai were "like walking to the moon!" The first "upbringing" itself was not only elevated to a "fetish", but also put on a "nationwide stream" !!! Although not without flaws.
      However, the Japanese sharpened their attention to the formation of war, Sparta - the army.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 28 June 2020 10: 36 New
      +9
      I don’t know what about the warriors there now, but at one time it struck me that the Japanese didn’t tip, and the taxi driver who drove our delegation to the Okinawan Oceanarium was mistaken in price (rarely does anyone go there for 100 km), but despite this, he took the payment that he had originally appointed, that is, he took us there at a loss. Samurai!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 28 June 2020 12: 54 New
        +8
        That's right, the most important thing is reputation. And, which many do not understand - in the end it is more profitable. Less fuss and more income.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 28 June 2020 12: 56 New
          +3
          in the end, it’s more profitable. Less fuss and more income.

          Yes!
    3. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 28 June 2020 12: 52 New
      +1
      And where and when was it wrong, and where is it not now?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 28 June 2020 12: 57 New
        +3
        Guess Three Times laughing
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 28 June 2020 13: 00 New
          +6
          "Suvorov and Nakhimov schools? Military academies? No, you haven't heard!"

          The only example I know of when this is not the case is a warrior nation, such as the steppe nomads.

          And one hell, the sons of the tribal leader are stupidly better teachers, and more time for training, because less household duties.
  2. Esoteric
    Esoteric 28 June 2020 07: 59 New
    +2
    And what about the "horns" on the helmet? How are they useful in battle? On the contrary, they only interfere, the Japanese are stupid people or what?
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 28 June 2020 12: 54 New
      +3
      To seem taller.
      Stupidly psychology.
      In Europe, on tournament helmets, too, they loved to paw papier-mâché, even more ornate.
      After migrated to ball wigs, mainly for women. The notorious Rococo.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 June 2020 18: 52 New
        0
        Not only!
        Ceremonial hats for Janissaries with galleys !!! Beauty requires sacrifice! And having an army, many power holders knew how to wrap up and not only “powder, letters and leggings”!
  3. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 28 June 2020 08: 15 New
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    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    About the juice of the lacquer tree, I add that in addition to the complexity of its extraction, it is a strong contact poison.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 28 June 2020 16: 02 New
      +6
      Hi, hello!
      So this samurai reptile, among other things, was also poisonous like an adder? !!! laughing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 28 June 2020 17: 16 New
        +3
        Just polymerized with my brother on the subject of "Little Red Riding Hood" laughing
        In addition, the sap of the "lacquer tree" polymerizes very quickly, almost instantly, in air. How they worked with him - the mind is incomprehensible!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 June 2020 17: 18 New
          +4
          ... the mind is incomprehensible!

          Only not a samurai. laughing They had never thought of such a thing.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 June 2020 18: 54 New
            +3
            Class !!! crying laughing good hats off Konstantin !!!!!!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 June 2020 19: 50 New
              +3
              The picture lacks a cat licking an orphaned "tati" from freshly baked blood
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 28 June 2020 23: 45 New
                +2
                Paprashu without hints !!!
  4. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 28 June 2020 10: 31 New
    +3
    or covering products with thin sheet gold

    This gold has the generally accepted term "gold leaf".
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 28 June 2020 12: 55 New
      +2
      Want to say that in the same States eating hamburgers with gold leaf? And there are those with a cutlet in gold foil.
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 28 June 2020 11: 57 New
    +5
    Oh, beauty.
    The signature o-sode shoulder pads are an icon of style. With ultra-narrow specialization, do not interfere with archery and catch arrows of enemies
    The article lacks a comprehensive assessment of the protective properties of armor.
  6. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 28 June 2020 12: 17 New
    +4
    recourse
    Japanese culture is of course distinctive, which is primarily caused by isolation. Of course, the influence of the culture of Ancient China was, contacts with Korea ...
    However, armament, protection and combat tactics of "professional soldiers" in Japan developed as an independent soldier, and not as a combat unit in a subunit. Hence, numerous "codes of honor", rituals, armor, armor unchanged for centuries ...
    There is such a theory of multiple discoveries when they can come up with something almost simultaneously in different places.
    Historians believe that ringed armor (chain mail) was used in Western Europe and in Asia (India) at the same time in 4-2 centuries. BC.
    Indeed, the dictum: "war is the engine of progress" confirms that the clash of different cultures and peoples contributed to the improvement of weapons both in Europe and in the Near and Middle East.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 28 June 2020 13: 04 New
      +5
      This is not a completely correct example, since in late Antiquity it was no longer what India and the Mediterranean knew about each other, there is already regular trading along several routes. In the 4th century BC, Macedon already knew exactly where and why he was going to fight.

      But purely archaeologically, Celtic chain mail is a half to a hundred years older than Indian ones.

      But the ax - yes, multiple opening. There is no specific place where it was invented and after it went, it went.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 28 June 2020 22: 28 New
        0
        Maybe I have vaguely stated, but what I wanted to say was that the Japanese had contacts from ancient times with the mainland, China and Korea (they undertook campaigns of conquest). Chain mail was known in China, most likely obtained as a result of campaigns in the regions of modern Central Asia. By this I wanted to say that the development of armor and weapons in Japan went "its own way", different from the other world.
        The reason is isolation, the absence of invasions of foreign armies.
        Regarding chain mail, and the primacy of its invention, historians have not yet established which of the peoples first applied.
        If I am not mistaken, in Europe, the most ancient chain mail found dates back to about the 300th century BC.
        In my opinion, armor and weapons should be practical, repairable, without colored ribbons, cords, gilding, plumes and other horns ... wink
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 29 June 2020 19: 28 New
          0
          Fourth to ours). Three hundredth before ours is the Upper Paleolithic, and there is still not even a weapon divided into hunting and combat.
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 29 June 2020 23: 52 New
            0
            laughing
            Oops ... 300th year BC sure.
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 5 July 2020 13: 34 New
          0
          Chain mail is not suitable for the Japanese tactics of equestrian archers, at all. Chain mail is not armor at all, so that the quilting is not proportioned
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 5 July 2020 13: 55 New
            0
            And the Mongolian horsemen (archers) from the second half of the 13th century, in the 14th century, what kind of armor were?
            Of course, chain mail for protection is used with a shield.
            And chain mail in Japan were only peculiar.
            Try chopping a thick quilted leather jacket.
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 9 July 2020 16: 07 New
              0
              Of course, the Mongols had the same lamellar
              1. Icelord
                Icelord 9 July 2020 16: 08 New
                0
                There was no chain mail, it was just a fastening of plates instead of a cord
                1. Lynx2000
                  Lynx2000 9 July 2020 22: 39 New
                  0
                  There were chain mail from the Mongol warriors.
                  Initially, heavily armed and archers used armor: huyage (heavy lamellar in the form of a corset or dressing gown) and khatanga-degel (soft multi-layer leather with lining from the inside with metal plates), respectively.
                  The Mongols were already using chain mail in the period indicated by me, and the combined ones were plate-shaped ring-shaped.
                  1. Icelord
                    Icelord 14 July 2020 19: 57 New
                    0
                    The Mongols had them, but the Japanese did not have chain mail. There is a ringed fabric as a fastening element
                    1. Lynx2000
                      Lynx2000 15 July 2020 03: 35 New
                      0
                      Quote: Icelord
                      The Mongols had them, but the Japanese did not have chain mail. There is a ringed fabric as a fastening element

                      Yes and no...
                      As a connecting element of plates, protection of shoulders, arms and thighs, weaving (several types) appeared in the so-called. modern armor.

                      For the Japanese, the basis of armor is a cuirass; the typology begins with the name "yoroi or gusoku" (armor) with the prefix "do" (cuirass).

                      For chainmail protective gear, see:
                      - kusari-katabira;
                      - tatami-do;
                      - kusari-do-maru;
                      - kusari-gusoku.

                      Qusari is also a combat weapon.
                2. Lynx2000
                  Lynx2000 9 July 2020 23: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: Icelord
                  There was no chain mail, it was just a fastening of plates instead of a cord

                  A knitted cardigan is not a jacket yet.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 June 2020 13: 12 New
      +6
      I like this one more wink Czech historical fencing studio
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 28 June 2020 15: 57 New
        +4
        Entourage good And that's European swords)).
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 28 June 2020 17: 00 New
        +5
        Good staged fight!
        Bravo to the operator! Bravo to the director! Bravo to the participants! HBO weeps with envy !!!
        But there is one point ... In which European treatise on fencing, are judo techniques described?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 28 June 2020 17: 08 New
          +1
          They have a lot of things there. Take a look. wink
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 June 2020 18: 36 New
            +4
            Thank! I'll see.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 29 June 2020 19: 11 New
            +2
            I looked. Thanks again!
  7. saygon66
    saygon66 28 June 2020 15: 46 New
    +5
    - One of the Japanese authors, noting the aesthetic value of lacing the armor, noted that during long campaigns, the lacing was clogged with dirt and blood, stained and teeming with parasites, and its cleaning was difficult due to execution technique ...
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 28 June 2020 16: 43 New
      +6
      My respect, dear!
      Give the author and a quote, please. As far as I know, the Japanese have always been distinguished in matters of personal and public hygiene.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 28 June 2020 17: 42 New
        +4
        - This is from the book of Westbrook and Ratti about samurai ... Pretty detailed description of the life of samurai to power up to the Meiji era ..
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 28 June 2020 18: 01 New
          +5
          - laughing The well-groomed look of the samurai testified to a confused state of mind ... The same Miyamoto Musashi often neglected the generally accepted rules of behavior - take at least a description of the duel Musashi and Kojiro!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 June 2020 18: 47 New
            +5
            Musashi was a poet! Who better than a poet to neglect social dogmas?
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 28 June 2020 18: 49 New
              +4
              - wink And the master of the sword, and the lover to smear ...
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 28 June 2020 20: 05 New
                +4
                Perhaps for this reason, Musashi is so popular in Russia!?!?!?!
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 28 June 2020 20: 07 New
                  +4
                  - It is possible ... In each of us the Drunken Master slumbers for the time being! laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 28 June 2020 20: 16 New
                    +4
                    This is yes !!! laughing But to repeat Takeshi Kitano’s balance, not every Chinese circus can laughing
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 28 June 2020 20: 19 New
                      +4
                      - A chip with a stone in a scarf is quite accessible to every follower of Bushido! wassat
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 June 2020 20: 32 New
                        +3
                        Well, hell knows!
                      2. saygon66
                        saygon66 28 June 2020 20: 44 New
                        +3
                        - Early morning...
                        Fog over the river
                        And in my head ...
                        - Either "Brother of the Yakuza" or "Limitlessness" ... That scene where the hero Kitano scores two boryokudans ... on the seashore ...
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 24 New
                +3
                * San end Steel *, 1984, from the group * Iron Maiden *. good Popularity is not only with us hi
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 29 New
                  +4
                  Wow, I thought this secret knowledge, available only to the elect.
                  Either I was wrong, or ....))
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 39 New
                    +2
                    Or.....?!?! bully
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 40 New
                      +2
                      Or you are such a chosen one)
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 42 New
                      +2
                      Alas for me! Ignoramus, a lazy dog. So the upper classes picked up. But I am constantly working on self-education. hi
                    3. Engineer
                      Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 44 New
                      +2
                      Tell me how many concerts you attended and I’ll determine how far I have progressed along the path of enlightenment)
                    4. Phil77
                      Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 45 New
                      +2
                      Not one. Honestly.
                    5. Engineer
                      Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 47 New
                      +2
                      Approx.
                      I didn’t get this year.
                    6. Phil77
                      Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 54 New
                      +3
                      Steve Harris is certainly good! But AC / DC's Brian Johnson is better.
                    7. Engineer
                      Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 57 New
                      +2
                      Heresy and blasphemy)))
                      And so the virgin frontman Bruce, not Steve. And all three are not cakes anymore
                    8. Phil77
                      Phil77 28 June 2020 21: 04 New
                      +3
                      DICKINSON? Right! Steve Harris-bass.
                      Quote: Engineer
                      And all three of them are no longer cakes.

                      So after all, they take their years.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 28 June 2020 20: 43 New
          +2
          And the group is quite famous.
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 June 2020 20: 46 New
          +4
          Come on to the aphedron, guys !!! This is not a topic to butt to "pink snot"
        4. Engineer
          Engineer 28 June 2020 20: 52 New
          +3
          What angered?
          Yes, and do not butt. Just a few here discuss armor. Weight, protective properties, comparison with European ones. It is not interesting to people. No holivar
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 June 2020 22: 37 New
          +5
          Holy war - let's do it right now!
          Do not give the Kuril Samurai! Russian Shulem with a barmitza is better! This is not some shalom from the bar mitzvah!
        6. Engineer
          Engineer 28 June 2020 22: 44 New
          +4
          Kabuto is not a masterpiece, but an interesting helmet
          Who is interested
          Replicas of the Japanese sword cut replicas of Japanese armor
          Helmet testing for 10-30
        7. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 June 2020 22: 52 New
          +3
          A chance to strike from a direct stance with all the force in front in a real battle - unless on finishing
        8. Engineer
          Engineer 29 June 2020 09: 16 New
          +2
          With this wording, rather yes.
          Although at the tournament, St. George saw a performance in the form of three amplitude strikes in a row to the body with a two-handed sword. Scrum 1x1.
          If about helmets, then I read the opinion of the Bugurtsman-leader of his own club of reenactors.
          Helmets in ascending order of protective qualities.
          1. Bacinet
          2. Salad (subject to the presence of bivor)
          3. Arme.
          The rest is not helmets at all))
        9. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 29 June 2020 19: 43 New
          0
          Bugurt has the same relation to a real fight as adult films - to real sex.

          Still, the main cause of death following the battle in the prenatal era is the loss of blood, or a stabbing-chopping blow (often more than one).

          All three types of helmets described above rule the knight’s lists with all its conventions in exactly the same order, but nothing more.

          And in the end - the same morion looks at them slightly so from top to bottom.
        10. Engineer
          Engineer 29 June 2020 21: 34 New
          +1
          I have never argued the contrary, and the word boogurtman is often used as a diagnosis.
          Nevertheless, all three helmets have obvious advantages and not one of them is purely tournament
      2. Icelord
        Icelord 5 July 2020 13: 41 New
        0
        Yeah, schA, and Hundskugel, tophelm and a bunch more. And probably they meant grand bascinet by bascinet?
      3. Engineer
        Engineer 5 July 2020 15: 21 New
        0
        Under the bascinet, it was the hundsugel that was meant there.
        Its shortcomings - it fits snugly around the back of the head and sides and therefore does not fly weakly there. For sharp tulle and visor it is convenient to grab in a clinch.
        Tophelm for hand-to-hand landfill is worse than all of the above.
        Grand Bacinet is imprisoned specifically for the lance tournament
      4. Icelord
        Icelord 9 July 2020 16: 10 New
        0
        And what does the melee have to do with it?
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 29 June 2020 09: 44 New
    +5
    - This is from the book of Westbrook and Ratti about samurai ... Pretty detailed description of the life of samurai to power up to the Meiji era ..

    Anton, it seems, there really are such words. yes I have this book. drinks
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 29 June 2020 19: 50 New
      +1
      wink In the edition that I have - page 218 ...
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 29 June 2020 19: 34 New
    +1
    Yes, as it were, Alexander the Great once ordered to burn several thousand linothorax most likely for this reason. I see no other explanation.

    A little disclosed aspect, but - armor still chronologically strives for the convenience of calcination on fire, lice are lice.
  • Simon
    Simon 28 June 2020 16: 42 New
    +5
    Yes, very interesting! He knew very little about Japanese armor. Thank.
  • vel1163
    vel1163 20 September 2020 01: 26 New
    0
    In short, they did not go far from the Papuans. Here they tied a plank, there a mat.