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When will LDN tighten border crossings with Ukraine?

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When will LDN tighten border crossings with Ukraine?

Genie from the bottle



The decision of the DPR government to open the border with Ukraine (before the epidemiological situation changed - exclusively towards Ukraine) immediately turned into a scandal. As usual, there were much more willing people than border guards could draw up, and many rushed to the border even without issuing relevant documents: what if it works out? As a result, there weren’t enough buses, and according to social networks, the process of passing KPVV Elenovka became longer due to the decision of border guards to photograph and fingerprint everyone leaving the republic. The reliability of this information is being clarified, but it seems quite possible, since the quirks of the Donetsk CPVV have long become a byword.

A thunderstorm added due to which electricity was temporarily lost. Rumors (not confirmed by anything) that the CPVV will work only one day have also spread, in connection with which hysteria has begun for individual citizens. As a result, about two hundred people passed to Ukraine. The rest will have to try their luck the next day.

Admittedly, the number of people wishing is amazing: the epidemiological situation in Ukraine, especially in the occupied part of Donbass, leaves much to be desired. In addition, everyone entering Ukraine will have to undergo mandatory observation or self-isolation. Donetsk and Lugansk did not want to open checkpoints at all, but Kiev skillfully provoked discontent among people by announcing the opening of all CPVV unilaterally (and immediately recalling it). As a result, in order to reduce the passions, the LDNR authorities made concessions.



Where are you going?


Involuntarily the question arises: who are all these people and what did they do on the territory of the republics? Usually, a significant part of the human traffic is made up of pensioners and shuttle traders (to imagine the volumes of counterfeit trade, it’s enough to know that, according to Kiev, 300 thousand tons of potato were imported from LDN last year). However, at the moment, mandatory observation / self-isolation and unclear prospects of the possibility of return were supposed to reduce the number of people wishing to enter Ukrainian territory. But they, however, are still too many.

Of course, this issue has attracted attention before. Passenger traffic between the republics and LDNR is always extremely intense, even higher than with Russia. It is clear that there are still students, people who look after their relatives, and those who work in Ukraine, although all these people are unlikely to cross the border too often, pushing themselves in lines for many hours. Nevertheless, it turns out that a colossal number of people with unclear goals are steadily traveling to Ukraine from the republics? And this, of course, does not look too safe.

And not only for the republics, but also for the “tourists” themselves: after all, even participation in the preparation and conduct of the referendum or elections, membership in public movements (mandatory for all state employees and civil servants) is enough for the harsh article “aiding terrorism” with terms from 7 to 15 years.

Other values


Apparently, a whole pool of people has formed in the republics of Donbass who are accustomed to traveling between the two sides of the military conflict, and they go, as they say, "for matches." Moreover, they, apparently, are not too worried about the moral and ethical side of the issue, as well as their own safety (there are plenty of cases when the MGB of LDNR sits agents recruited by the SBU for space periods). It does not bother that at the same moment, while they cross the line of demarcation, bloody battles are nearby and civilians are dying. The whole essence of the civil war and the significance of its victims fade before the philistine concerns and selfish interest.

Probably, in the foreseeable future, the government of LDNR will still have to take unpopular measures and introduce additional restrictions on crossing the demarcation line. Without this, a divorce from Ukraine, as well as integration with Russia, is simply impossible. People who do not actually live in LDNR, but who go “to spend an apartment” or with some other, not too important (or not too obvious) intentions, should reduce the number of visits to the republics and it is advisable to record every visit or exit to Ukraine and its reasons .

And it’s best to make a choice once and for all: either you are with Russia, or with Russophobic Ukraine. However, sometimes it seems that this choice was finally made by far not all in the government of LDNR, not to mention the townsfolk.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 23 June 2020 15: 07
    +4
    And it’s best to make a choice once and for all: either you are with Russia, or with Russophobic Ukraine. However, sometimes it seems that this choice was finally made by far not all in the government of LDNR, not to mention the townsfolk.

    And in the Russian government, what choice did you make? They decided to shift all responsibility to LDNR ... but people have been living under bombardment for 6 years already ... with the tacit consent of Russia.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 June 2020 15: 11
      +2
      When will LDN tighten border crossings with Ukraine?

      When our troops go to State border republics

      What intersects now is Front line, or, if you like temporary "demarcation line"

      And about the choice:
      And it’s best to make a choice once and for all: either you are with Russia, or with Russophobic Ukraine. However, sometimes it seems that this choice was finally made by far not all in the government of LDNR, not to mention the townsfolk.


      Donbass made its choice. Who and what would not write like that.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 16: 22
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        When our troops come to the State border of the republics.


        does such a border exist?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 June 2020 16: 26
          -1
          Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
          does such a border exist?

          Imagine - YES! These are the former administrative boundaries of the regions within which throughout then the Donetsk and Lugansk regions held referendums.
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 16: 32
            -2
            and did the administrative border suddenly become state? Her only in Lugansk and Donetsk consider?
            Well, what about the Russian-Ukrainian border? Do you also consider her your state?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 23 June 2020 16: 37
              +1
              Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
              But what about the Russian-Ukrainian border? Do you also consider her your state?

              Everything that is currently controlled by the Border Service of the DPR and LPR is the state border of the republics, and will remain so until the republics become part of the Russian Federation.
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 16: 43
                10 th
                Quote: Insurgent
                until the republics enter the Russian Federation.


                And why did you decide that there will be an entrance? Do you read between the lines of the speech of the Most Serene?
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 23 June 2020 16: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                  And why did you decide that there will be an entrance? Do you read between the lines of the speech of the Most Serene?

                  So you need to openly and immediately tell everything? Quickly, only rabbits breed, and in geopolitics you need to be completely headless in order to play open.
                  1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 16: 58
                    -7
                    and, I understand - to blur out about joining the composition, but to the natural question "from what ...?" is it important to puff out your cheeks with the look of "I know, but I won't tell"? laughing
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 23 June 2020 17: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                      and the natural question "from what ...?" is it important to puff out your cheeks with the look of "I know, but I won't tell"?

                      Do you think I know something? Not such a big boss that Moscow would report to me. But here it is clear to the hedgehog that everything goes according to the scheme with both Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Over time, it will be possible to replay to join.
                      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 17: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Do you think I know something?

                        Of course, I don’t think so.
                        Quote: CSKA
                        goes according to the scheme as with Abkhazia and South Ossetia

                        the scheme is brilliant, yeah. Feed but do not attach. To keep these endured in the status of "territorial problems". Yes, the same fate awaits Donbass.
                      2. Sergey S.
                        Sergey S. 24 June 2020 08: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                        the scheme is brilliant, yeah. Feed but do not attach. To keep these endured in the status of "territorial problems". Yes, the same fate awaits Donbass.

                        Fasting boorish.
                        You can not do it this way.
                        Even if among the inhabitants of the LDNR there are those who are "ours and yours", the majority is the main thing. active majority, stand on a principled position.
                        And you don’t need to tell tales about Putin.
                        I remember when he was asked about the accession of New Russia, he answered directly - we need all of Ukraine. And while this task has not been removed from the agenda, it makes no sense to attach the DPR and LPR.
                        And then you can recall his words about the statehood of Ukraine, if ....
                      3. New Year day
                        New Year day 24 June 2020 11: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey S.
                        we need all of Ukraine.

                        and then what to do with it? Continue the thought ...
                      4. Sergey S.
                        Sergey S. 26 June 2020 00: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        and then what to do with it? Continue the thought ...

                        Work upload.
                        Labor education is the only way to live in harmony and dignity.
                        A fair society to build - our common roots - is a craving for justice.
                        Otherwise, under our cover at the local level, the Kovpakovites themselves will figure it out.
                    2. Kronos
                      Kronos 24 June 2020 14: 41
                      -4
                      He likes to talk a lot, which then does not come true
                  2. Vladimir Kiev
                    Vladimir Kiev 26 June 2020 23: 49
                    0
                    Most recently, I discussed the topic of the entry of LDNR in another material - all sober-minded people (with both sides of the conflict) perfectly understood everything: there would never be such an entry. Not beneficial for the Russian Federation from any point of view.
          2. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 24 June 2020 08: 21
            +2
            22.06.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, VV Putin ..: "in the process of creating the Soviet Union, some republics of the USSR" received a huge amount of traditional Russian historical territories in their baggage. "

            "The question arises: if this or that republic became part of the USSR, but received in its baggage a huge amount of Russian lands - traditional Russian historical territories, and then decided to leave the composition? But then it would leave at least what it came with and did not drag gifts from the Russian people with you ",
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 24 June 2020 11: 47
              0
              Quote: To be or not to be
              "The question arises:

              and what is the answer?
    2. pereselenec
      pereselenec 23 June 2020 18: 32
      -4
      Quote: Insurgent
      Imagine - YES! These are the former administrative borders of the regions, within which referenda were held throughout the territory of the then Donetsk and Lugansk regions.


      Those. for the rest of Ukraine sympathizers of the Russian Spring have no complaints? Decided to silently surrender Kharkov, Odessa and other hero cities to the enemy?
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 24 June 2020 14: 41
        -1
        They are commissioned long ago near Ukraine
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 June 2020 16: 39
    +2
    Don't sign for the whole Donbass. According to the article and video, not everyone supports this choice. It is clear that "not everything is calm in the DPR kingdom," but apparently, beyond the line is it more stable and richer?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 June 2020 16: 44
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      You do not sign for the entire Donbass. If you believe the article and the video, not all of these choices are supported.

      The article and video gave you a "cut" according to which the whole essence of Donbass became clear to you, better than for me, who has lived here all my life?

      Maybe you should be silent?

      After all, I, after all, have a greater right to speak about the Donbass and on behalf of the Donbass, than you.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 24 June 2020 07: 35
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        After all, I, after all, have a greater right to speak about the Donbass and on behalf of the Donbass, than you.

        on behalf of Donbass can say a referendum. Everything else is subjective. According to the press, no more than 200 thousand people received a Russian passport. Question: what do they think in the rest of the territory of Donbass controlled by Ukraine? My friend there does not want to change his status. Will you evict?
        And in the LPR not everything is going smoothly: “since the beginning of May, two underground miners' strikes have taken place in the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, actions are planned at three more mines. closure threatens. "
        https://svpressa.ru/society/article/268889/
        There are many questions, but no answers. Here Peskov just recently declared a united and indivisible Ukraine
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 June 2020 08: 34
          +4
          Quote: Silvestr
          on behalf of Donbass can say a referendum. Everything else is subjective.

          Referendum, or rather two(DNI and LNR), were held back in 2014.
          And the absence in the bulletins of the issue of joining the Russian Federation is the wish of the Kremlin, and not the will of Donbass ...
          Quote: Silvestr
          According to the press, no more than 200 thousand people received a Russian passport.

          Certification is extended for quite objective reasons, such as:

          - at the beginning you need to get a passport of the DPR / LPR (and this is the time), and without this you will not enter the citizenship of the Russian Federation, "directly from the Ukrainian";
          - COVID-19, the laboriousness and duration of inspections + the need to leave for the Russian Federation for a passport, also do not speed up the process ...
          Until recently, there was another important for the population exhausted by war and deprivation - financial issue, which in other matters has already been eliminated.

          With the "crown" it will get better, and things will go faster yes
          Quote: Silvestr
          Question: what do they think in the rest of the territory of Donbass controlled by Ukraine? My friend there does not want to change his status. Will you evict?


          Have you ever wondered how many such "refuseniks" are there at the moment in Crimea? And nothing, live, work, with Ukrainian passports.
          Quote: Silvestr
          And in the LPR not everything is going smoothly: “since the beginning of May, two underground miners' strikes have taken place in the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, actions are planned at three more mines. closure threatens. "


          This is not solvable, and carries some kind of component that categorically hinders obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation, and restoring order by the judicial authorities of the Russian Federation?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 24 June 2020 11: 46
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            The referendum, or rather two (the DPR and LPR), was held back in 2014.
            And the absence in the bulletins of the issue of joining the Russian Federation is the wish of the Kremlin, and not the will of Donbass ...

            undeniable! But in the yard 2020. Everything flows and changes
            Quote: Insurgent
            Certification is extended for quite objective reasons, such as:

            - at the beginning you need to get a passport of the DPR / LPR (and this is the time), and without this you will not enter the citizenship of the Russian Federation, "directly from the Ukrainian";

            and I agree with that, but ..
            LDNR began issuing its passports in 2016! If they have not received everything in 4 years, then why ...?
            Russian beginnings to issue a year ago, but received all-nothing. Why?
            Quote: Insurgent
            Have you ever wondered how many such "refuseniks" are there at the moment in Crimea?

            I think when I see a Land Cruiser or gelding with numbers of Lugansk and Donetsk regions. They have been living for years.
            Quote: Insurgent
            This is not solvable, and carries some kind of component that categorically hinders obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation, and restoring order by the judicial authorities of the Russian Federation?

            what is not solved?
            Obtaining citizenship is indirectly related: if a hard worker does not pay money in Ukraine, LDNR or Russia, then logical questions arise - why and what next?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 June 2020 14: 24
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              if a hard worker does not pay money either in Ukraine, or in LDNR, or in Russia, then logical questions arise - why and what next?

              We’ll unite, and after a while we’ll decide what to do and what’s next ...
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 23 June 2020 16: 48
      -8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      but apparently, the line is more stable and richer?

      And where do you see the big-eyed?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 23 June 2020 16: 59
        -2
        Quote: CSKA
        And where do you see the big-eyed?

        Yes, he sits somewhere in Russia, and is nostalgic for "Kievi's cherry orchard"...
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 23 June 2020 17: 16
          0
          You do not shut up my mouth. Have you made a choice for yourself? Flag in hand and a steam locomotive towards. And for the rest is not necessary.
          I don’t know you, but I know a couple of people from Donbass. They have quite different opinions on what is happening. So speak for yourself and nothing more.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 23 June 2020 17: 20
            +1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I don’t know you, but I know a couple of people from Donbass. They have quite different opinions on what is happening. So speak for yourself and nothing more.

            Yes yes ,"representative sample"... TWO PEOPLE...

            Here, in another thread, there was an article about VTsIOM ... You didn’t learn from them how to sculpt a humpbacked wall?
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 23 June 2020 17: 23
              +2
              But even if two people, your fellow countrymen, have a different opinion, then this gives me the right to make a remark to you about the exaggeration of my powers.
              1. German Titov
                German Titov 23 June 2020 21: 56
                +3
                I’ll tell you a hundred, with whom on the same field “do not go to the wind”. Everyone is from Donbass, everyone is in Russia. A couple of thousand in dill, so what? Donetsk and Luhansk did not leave from here.
              2. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. 24 June 2020 09: 11
                -2
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                this gives me the right to comment on the exaggeration of my authority.

                You are not right.
                Wrong - about the right to make comments.
                wrong - no one exaggerated their powers.
                The situation is complicated.
                The conflict has a class coloring. The war is really civil.
                So all the described cases can be called natural.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 24 June 2020 11: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  The conflict has a class coloring.

                  what classes are you talking about? Which side are which classes? Very interesting
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 23 June 2020 17: 34
            -4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            but I know a couple of people from Donbass.

            Well, the standard song, familiar. All the same repertoire: “I haven’t been to the LDNR, but I know people, they have a different opinion.”)))) And you cannot tell where everything is from so beautifully.
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            So speak for yourself and nothing more.

            Insurgent and I don’t know the native people of Donetsk and we don’t know a couple of people, and we know how it all began not from the stories, but we watched in person. So it’s not for you to rub the pseudo patriots of Russia here.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 23 June 2020 17: 37
              +3
              And, apparently, this knowledge of yours allows you to pour mud over the rest of Ukraine? After all, there were not how many? Five or six years? But dirty posts about former neighbors are regularly observed.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 24 June 2020 08: 39
                0
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And, apparently, this knowledge of yours allows you to pour mud over the rest of Ukraine?

                Cesspool, and there is a cesspool that don’t drain there. If I pour slop and sewage there, then exclusively produced there.
              2. CSKA
                CSKA 24 June 2020 14: 13
                0
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And, apparently, this knowledge of yours allows you to pour mud over the rest of Ukraine? After all, there were not how many? Five or six years? But dirty posts about former neighbors are regularly observed.

                And I whom I consider necessary to be dirt and water it, and if most of it is a brainless herd there, you won’t call them anything else.
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 June 2020 09: 15
              -1
              Quote: CSKA
              Well, the standard song, familiar. All the same repertoire: "I haven't been to the LPNR, but I know people, they have a different opinion."

            3. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 June 2020 09: 20
              +1
              Quote: CSKA
              We then Insurgent native Donetsk and not a couple of people know

              To be fair, I'm not a Donetsk resident "in pure form"(not a resident of Donetsk), was born, raised and live in another city of the DPR, Donbass, but at a certain moment in my life, out of a little more than 3 years spent in the trenches near Donetsk, gives some reason to be considered him ...
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 24 June 2020 14: 15
                +2
                Quote: Insurgent
                For the sake of justice, I am not a Donetsk citizen "in its pure form" (not a resident of Donetsk), I was born, raised and live in another city of the DPR, Donbass, but at a certain moment in my life, from a little more than 3 years spent in the trenches near Donetsk, it gives some reason be considered it ...

                Well, by the word Donetsk I meant the inhabitants of Donbass. We know the general opinion in our republic, but the PRC is not the same in size.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 24 June 2020 14: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: CSKA
                  Well, by the word Donetsk I meant the inhabitants of Donbass. We know the general opinion in our republic, but the PRC is not the same in size.

                  This is for you, my friend, and I understand, but for "arithmetic mean reader"Donetsk is the whole Donbass, without"all there"Makeevok, Khartsyzskov, Novoazovskov, ...

                  Met wishes "Donbass and Lugansk"as if it's not the same thing ... Moreover, a good piece of the Rostov region of the Russian Federation, this is also Donbass fellow yes ...
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 24 June 2020 14: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    I met the wishes for "Donbass and Lugansk", as if they were not the same ... Moreover, a good piece of the Rostov region of the Russian Federation, this is also Donbass

                    )))) Yes. For some reason, many people think that the Donbass is the Donetsk region, although in fact it is Lugansk, and part of Rostov, and Pavlodar.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 23 June 2020 15: 11
    -4
    Yes, let them fraternize. One thing.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 June 2020 15: 16
    11
    It has long been an impression, especially after the assassination of Zakharchenko, that LDNR, both for Russia and Ukraine, has a suitcase without a handle and it’s a pity and hard to drop it.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 June 2020 15: 33
      +4
      Frankly, in Russia, in Ukraine, for 6 years, LDNR left the sphere of constant attention of the authorities and the people. Remember from case to case.
      LDNR practically all left with their problems.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 16: 40
        -8
        but what is surprising? Why keep in focus when nothing happens? After the hokhs liquidly dressed themselves in the boilers, it became clear that the problem had turned into chronic hemorrhoids. And Mr. Wolfe's Tarantino "fixer" does not exist.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 23 June 2020 15: 45
    +4
    Pensions they went (sent) to receive.
    Before that, I had to travel to Russia in Rostov and then travel to Ukraine in Belgorod.
  • Timon2155
    Timon2155 23 June 2020 16: 39
    -2
    LDNR one devil to live with Ukraine. And we will come for our lands (completely Ukraine), not in vain Pu "uttered" about our lands during the collapse of the USSR. These words are not scattered. It’s just that the time has not come yet: now the USA will settle a little and the time will come.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Timon2155
      And we will come for our lands (completely Ukraine) -


      nd, I lived in my neighborhood at the old place of residence one such classic sofa "pick-up" in a T-shirt with Putin and sweat pants with bubbles. He got out of a patriotic binge on the occasion of the "Crimean Spring" and threatened to take Kiev "right up to the Carpathians". And on the board of shame at the entrance, his debt for housing and communal services grew in proportion to his passionarity.
      Well, judging by the fact that Kiev is not "ours" yet, I think cerroz prevented him from "taking his own"
    2. pereselenec
      pereselenec 23 June 2020 18: 38
      +8
      Quote: Timon2155
      And we will come for our lands (completely Ukraine), not in vain Pu "uttered" about our lands during the collapse of the USSR. It's just that the time has not come yet


      Children born when people like you promised a trip here to Kiev, this spring already went to school.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 June 2020 17: 19
    +8
    Another article, "best of all" who knows more than the LDNRs themselves and the DNRs themselves what to do.
    Like, due to poverty, one should not shuttle, not trade (what is he himself !!! GDP !!! said - "you need to rejoice")
    and "for the sake of safety" - to sit in the republics and must, must, must ...

    And trade, coal, leave the oligarchs-owners. They will take care of the "safety". About which infa only occasionally pops up somewhere.

    What, before there were no buffer zones around? When both yours and ours, a coal and humanitarian aid for money, gold for chandeliers, gold pistols, restaurants on the ruble, summer cottages over the hill and personal accounts in Moscow and over the hill. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, the Caucasus,?
    A little complication - to Russia, to popularity or bank accounts.

    It is clear that all this is beneficial to someone. And it’s not at all to Ivan or Mykola from the trenches who don’t own barbecue along the slopes, coal, metal, aluminum and titanium, gas, confectionery factories and other pleasures of life.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 23 June 2020 17: 23
    +7
    And it’s best to make a choice once and for all: either you are with Russia, or with Russophobic Ukraine.

    I agree to all 100%! Just which side do you make this choice?
    And he was not surprised when he asked a fellow traveler to Lugansk: - "Father, why don't you get Russian passports, the tax has been canceled?" A man in his eighties said bluntly: "I may be old, but still in my right mind. What will give me a new passport, no matter which one? I will stop twitching during shelling, get a normal pension? Is he not right?
    Donbass, together with Russia, recently celebrated the "Day of Russia". There are only positive statements in the local media that we are together with Russia with blood and heart. And it is true! The defenders of the LPR who shed blood and are dying on the front lines today, all 100%, have Russian passports!
    And what said, the day before this event, Mr. Peskov, in an interview with the newspaper, "Kommersant": - "We (Russia) are interested in preserving the territorial and political integrity of Ukraine as a state!" Further, more interesting: - Russian passports are issued to residents in the Republics of Donbass, because Ukraine has refused its citizens. And Russia?
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 19: 55
      -6
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Shedding blood and dying today at the forefront of the defenders of the DLNR,

      What is still shed? Or is this just a metaphor? The DB, it seems, is not there.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 23 June 2020 20: 40
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
        What is still shed? Or is this just a metaphor? The DB, it seems, is not there.

        Podkovyryni relatives of their patriots
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 21: 31
          -4
          56 for half a year? Yes, just a massacre ....
          In road accidents and from everyday life, it dies more, but no one considers roads and kitchens a war.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 24 June 2020 07: 39
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir61
      ... Ukraine abandoned its citizens

      according to the laws of Ukraine, even Crimeans are considered citizens of Ukraine.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 24 June 2020 09: 16
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        according to the laws of Ukraine, even Crimeans are considered citizens of Ukraine.

        She pays them pensions, or treats?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 24 June 2020 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Sergey S.
          She pays them pensions, or treats?

          just to say? no knowledge of the law does not exempt from punishment. Theoretically, any Crimean can sue Ukraine, but in retirement request Not all money is measured. By the way, about the treatment - proud of success will not work. In Ukraine there was no shortage of doctors, there was a shortage of drugs, now everything is in short supply
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 23 June 2020 17: 31
    -4
    Quote: Insurgent
    Everything that is currently controlled by the Border Service of the DPR and LPR is the state border of the republics, and will remain so until the republics become part of the Russian Federation

    Yes. Russian. for boilers, there is no such border due to the denunciation of the treaty, and, in truth, this border was not demarcated. and stupid nonsense, let’s wait until they all run away, Poland chopped off a piece, Hungary - there will only be a bonderstan of rogues, which everyone always must. they never knew how to work, except for their own garden.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 23 June 2020 18: 25
    +6
    When will LDN tighten border crossings with Ukraine?


    They just do not want to starve: https://topwar.ru/172375-komitet-razdora-grazhdanskij-protest-ili-udachnaja-provokacija.html
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  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 June 2020 17: 25
    -2
    The author writes: "The passenger traffic between Ukraine and the LPR is always extremely intense, even higher than with Russia." And this best illustrates the real state of affairs. And not ideologically verified fairy tales about total hatred and irreconcilable struggle.
  • Vladimir Kiev
    Vladimir Kiev 26 June 2020 23: 51
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    Quote: Sergey S.
    I remember when he was asked about the accession of New Russia, he answered directly - we need all of Ukraine. And while this task has not been removed from the agenda, it makes no sense to attach the DPR and LPR.

    And when I wrote this - a mountain of minuses was thrown ...
    You’re already minus your president!)
  • Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 29 June 2020 00: 22
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    What do you personally want?
    Stories about the Russian genocide in Ukraine did not work. These people know for sure that it’s a lie.
    Stories about the vile mov did not work. This is not Crimea. At surzhik level, everyone knows mov. One hundred percent. And some are better than Ukrainians.
    Stories about federalization have not inspired anyone. It does not start.
    Stories about the power of Bandera are also ridiculous. There parliamentarism, elections, a Jewish president, the sale of land - all that Bandera against. Screaming, but not popular.
    Why don't they go to Ukraine? Close, you say, and do not let go?