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Representatives of Russia may be included in the investigation team in the case of MH17

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There are no legal obstacles to the entry of Russian representatives into the Joint Investigative Group (SSG) in the case of the crash of a passenger plane that followed flight MH17 in the Donbass in 2014. The Russian Federation has the right to voice its vision of this issue.


Such a statement was made by Dutch lawyer Sabine ten Dusskhate, who defends Russian Oleg Pulatov.

She noted that Russia is a country that has signed the UN Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, so it needs to be given the floor in the process. The lawyer considers it unfair that there are representatives of Ukraine in the composition of the CCG, but no Russians.

The Russian Federation expressed a desire to participate in the investigation as early as 2015, but the Netherlands prosecutor's office rejected her request.

The trial takes place in the Hague District Court. It resumed on June 8, but the number of those present at its meetings is limited due to the threat of the spread of coronavirus infection. Two people are participating from each side. There are no defendants at the meetings. Their only representatives are Oleg Pulatov's lawyers. In addition to him, the deaths of a Malaysian airliner are accused of citizens of the Russian Federation Igor Girkin and Sergey Dubinsky, as well as Ukrainian citizen Leonid Kharchenko.

The Russian side has repeatedly sent requests for inclusion in the investigation team. Moreover, the Russian side provided materials of "full-scale" experiments with the Buk missile defense system missile, published data on Ukraine’s belonging to the missile, the number of which was shown by the investigation team. At the same time, neither Kiev nor the investigation answered a number of key questions, including the question of why there are still no data from the dispatchers (and where are the dispatchers themselves), as well as why the airliner was operated precisely above the epicenter fighting in the Donbass.

It is hoped that the true perpetrators of this tragedy will someday fall on the dock.
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  1. marchcat
    marchcat 22 June 2020 18: 47
    +2
    This had to be done when the investigation began. In general, it is not very clear why right now, maybe someone knows the details?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 June 2020 19: 23
      10
      Quote: marchcat
      This had to be done when the investigation began.

      Didn’t they read the whole article, or what?
      The Russian Federation expressed its desire to participate in the investigation as early as 2015, but the Dutch prosecutor rejected her request.

      The Russian side has repeatedly sent requests for inclusion in the investigation team.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 22 June 2020 20: 07
        +1
        Malaysia tried to introduce a draft tribunal for Boeing, which was supposed to become international under the auspices of the UN. Voting on this project in the UN Security Council took place on July 29, 2015, but the project was blocked and did not pass.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 22 June 2020 23: 13
          -3
          Quote: military_cat
          Malaysia tried to introduce a draft tribunal for Boeing, which was supposed to become international under the auspices of the UN. Voting on this project in the UN Security Council took place on July 29, 2015, but the project was blocked and did not pass.

          Blocked by whom?
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 23 June 2020 00: 01
            12 th
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            Quote: military_cat
            Malaysia tried to introduce a draft tribunal for Boeing, which was supposed to become international under the auspices of the UN. Voting on this project in the UN Security Council took place on July 29, 2015, but the project was blocked and did not pass.

            Blocked by whom?

            By Russia.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 22 June 2020 23: 50
        15 th
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: marchcat
        This had to be done when the investigation began.

        Didn’t they read the whole article, or what?
        The Russian Federation expressed its desire to participate in the investigation as early as 2015, but the Dutch prosecutor rejected her request.

        The Russian side has repeatedly sent requests for inclusion in the investigation team.

        In real life, Russia refused to participate in the investigation in the case of MH17
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 June 2020 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: Normal ok
          In real life, Russia refused to participate in the investigation in the case of MH17

          Can you find out more about this failure?
        2. Cheerock
          Cheerock 23 June 2020 23: 58
          +1
          Given how the investigation was organized and the fact that the Russian Federation was denied all aspects of participation in the investigation and the ability to defend itself, not blocking such a resolution would be crazy.
    2. military_cat
      military_cat 22 June 2020 19: 36
      +3
      Quote: marchcat
      In general, it’s not very clear why right now, maybe someone knows the details?
      Today at the trial, a statement by the defense began. Prior to this, the position of investigators was read out for several days.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 23 June 2020 06: 33
        +6
        Quote: military_cat
        the position of investigators was read out for several days.

        About the position of "investigators" and so everything is clear. But what about the facts? And in fact, the "investigation" to the "accused" has nothing. As for Ukraine, there are many questions, but who will ask them. Most of all, the position of the United States is touching. Here Russia is accused, and on their part there is deathly silence. For once. With their silence, they burned the "chubatyh". If, at least something was against Russia, they would have been using guano long ago.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 22 June 2020 20: 59
      -5
      Quote: marchcat
      In general, it’s not very clear why right now, maybe someone knows the details?

      So the whole performance began at the repentance of Russia. And then whoever takes all of their missiles - Almaz Antey. Who launched? not important. Bloody pastor on the scaffold. And how that Kondraty, who wooed everyone, they say 3 times they buried an encore
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 22 June 2020 21: 30
        +8
        Quote: Tusv
        So the whole performance began at the repentance of Russia. And then whoever takes all of their missiles - Almaz Antey. Who launched? no matter. And like that Kondraty, who had enough of everyone, they say 3 times they buried an encore

        I am afraid that after such a statement the "truth-seekers" would not bury the Dutch lawyer Sabine ten Dusshatte, who is defending Russian Oleg Pulatov, since her position clearly runs counter to the general line of investigation. At least, considering how the Hague court and its puppeteers are trying to make the Russian side guilty, I would not be surprised if news comes out tomorrow that she is registered at the labor exchange. There is no truth there.
    4. iouris
      iouris 22 June 2020 21: 46
      -6
      Details: yesterday it was still early, but tomorrow it may be too late: the "client" may "jump off". The indictment is ready. They can enter. But without the right to vote.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 June 2020 18: 51
    24
    The true culprits! Gold words. I remember how Obama was begging Merkel to impose sanctions. She didn’t give up. Then the Boeing was fluttered, and right away ... Right almost the next day ... As the Latins said there - look for someone who benefits! Russia in that list of beneficiaries is the first from the end!
    1. Vrungeli
      Vrungeli 22 June 2020 19: 11
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The true culprits! Gold words. I remember how Obama was begging Merkel to impose sanctions. She didn’t give up. Then the Boeing was fluttered, and right away ... Right almost the next day ... As the Latins said there - look for someone who benefits! Russia in that list of beneficiaries is the first from the end!

      I remember I remember Eugene wink .. They immediately blamed Russia and began to impose sanctions (thanks to them for this)).
      Now, of course, everyone has been cleaned up and everyone has been invited to Russia. Well, what are you going to dig out yet? And again for years of investigation, etc. Everything is familiar
      Always with such monstrous provocations, look for someone to profit from .. And the benefit immediately began, even before the investigation .. Here and think why Russia was invited and for what ..
      1. snucerist
        snucerist 22 June 2020 21: 08
        +9
        They invited Russia ???
        Alas, no one invited Russia anywhere.
        For the simple reason that the investigation is completed. I remind you that the trial is already underway.
        So ...
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 June 2020 00: 27
        -5
        Quote: Vrungeli
        began to introduce sanctions (thanks to them for this)).

        Thanks for what? For sanctions?
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 22 June 2020 20: 05
      +9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      look for who benefits!

      That's right. It’s not for nothing that the dispatcher is hiding, most likely he has already been buried. But unfortunately it is not clear why there is still no qualified analysis of the air situation. In addition to the Malaysian Boeing, there was another aircraft nearby, a Russian one and, according to its trajectory characteristics, it was the Il-96. If this is true, then it becomes clear what was the real goal and how the CIA tried to draw Russia into this war. .
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 June 2020 18: 53
    12
    If they let us go there, then our people will make the second Nuremberg trials out of this booth. Do they need it?
  4. kig
    kig 22 June 2020 18: 57
    18 th
    Who writes such news there, did he even read the investigation materials? Over this area several hundred passenger aircraft flew every day. No one specially brought Boeing there.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 22 June 2020 19: 59
      +6
      Quote: kig
      No one specially brought Boeing there.

      Oh well, and then what did he correct the course three times - first in Germany, then in Poland, and then in Ukraine?
      1. kig
        kig 23 June 2020 05: 35
        -4
        Quote: Albert1988
        and what then he corrected the course three times already

        It is always useful to read the source, rather than the dubious horrible. In our case, these are the results of the investigation. There are also about other airlines, and negotiations of controllers, and changes in the route of the unfortunate Boeing. Read. In Russian, too. Then we'll talk.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 23 June 2020 11: 04
          0
          I read a lot, the sides flew fine, without such tricks ...
          1. kig
            kig 23 June 2020 13: 04
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            I read a lot, the sides flew fine, without such tricks ...
            hardly. This refers to a technical investigation of the disaster, published back in 2015. And you would know that two chapters are devoted to the choice of the route and its passage there. There are also crew negotiations with controllers. There is also a direct indication of Ukraine’s guilt that it did not completely close the dangerous area for flights, but limited itself to increasing the supposedly safe altitude. Moreover, literally the day before, An was shot down, flying at an altitude of 6500 meters, where MANPADS are not reached. That is, new weapons appeared in the area.

            Gentlemen of the minusants apparently also do not read official documents.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 23 June 2020 13: 05
              0
              Quote: kig
              There are also crew negotiations with controllers.

              And including recordings of crew negotiations with Ukrainian dispatchers at the time of the disaster?
              1. kig
                kig 24 June 2020 09: 55
                0
                В moment of accidentAlas, no entries. If you have them, I advise you to immediately contact the lawyers of the accused.
  5. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 18: 58
    +9
    The headline is loud, and the news is zilch! And the Marlezon ballet continues.

    As for the Boeing shot down over Donbass, the VO editor rejected my thorough article, calling it "conspiracy theories." And conspiracy theories are what he publishes about her. I am convinced that many, most would agree with my article and its conclusions.
    1. Vrungeli
      Vrungeli 22 June 2020 19: 18
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      The headline is loud, and the news is zilch! And the Marlezon ballet continues

      good So for sure .. again the western cardibalet begins ..
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      As for the Boeing shot down over Donbass, the VO editor rejected my thorough article, calling it "conspiracy theories."

      Here Volodya’s bending line .. hi
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      I am convinced that many, most would agree with my article and its conclusions.

      Vladimir there were many of them and they all ended badly ... hi
      Do not build you go and see too love Russia! And here it is not fashionable, in the field of democracy and LGBT communities ..... hi
      So get ready for the cons and maybe ban .. (take a steam bath together))))
    2. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 22 June 2020 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      As for the Boeing shot down over Donbass, the VO editor rejected my thorough article, calling it "conspiracy theories." And conspiracy theories are what he publishes about her. I am convinced that many, most would agree with my article and its conclusions.

      To shorten as much as possible without prejudice to, but in parts in the comments. Here you have the publication.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 19: 34
        +3
        Will not work. And the meaning of the publication is lost. And I published a slightly abridged article on RV.
        1. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 22 June 2020 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Will not work. And the meaning of the publication is lost. And I published a slightly abridged article on RV.

          And RV is who, excuse me?
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 19: 58
            +2
            "Russian Spring".
            1. Aag
              Aag 22 June 2020 20: 09
              +1
              Thanks. I get it.hi
            2. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 22 June 2020 20: 38
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              "Russian Spring".

              Found, read. It seems to be nothing new, this version with the SU-25 sounded for a long time, maybe only without such details. I just didn’t understand one thing - where did Moder (ast) see conspiracy theories there? Or in my thoughts on cui bono? So on this the whole consequence, consider, holds, the beneficiary in most cases turns out to be a criminal, or a customer of a crime.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 22 June 2020 21: 04
                +4
                Here I am about the same! Moreover, my title of the article, which the RV editor changed, was "My truth about MH17" and clearly fell into the "Opinions" section. I didn’t ask to publish it in Analytics, where the editor places much more conspiracy articles!
                And now I have an even more complete version with new data, which I will post somewhere if the case moves off the dead center.
            3. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD 23 June 2020 05: 33
              0
              Thank you, I read an article on RV
        2. Aag
          Aag 22 June 2020 20: 08
          0
          Let me ask you: "RV" is what?
      2. Aag
        Aag 22 June 2020 20: 05
        +1
        I visited the same thought. Ahead ... hi
        He repeatedly wrote: as a rule, comments, if you filter the noise, carry more information. Plus, the emotional background is monitored))).
        With the previous commentators, I agree in the sense that there’s nothing new at all. Has the situation changed? Have your views begun to change? Also not news. (If you read the headlines, then all the domestic artists died, the foreigners asked for Russian citizenship, etc. Well, you know...)
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 22 June 2020 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      . I am convinced that many, most would agree with my article and its conclusions.

      Throw in a personal - discuss
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 22 June 2020 20: 24
        +2
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Throw in a personal - discuss

        https://rusvesna.su/news/1583494279
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 23 June 2020 00: 17
          0
          Quote: Aleksandre
          https://rusvesna.su/news/1583494279

          Compressed and convincing.
          +1 hi
      2. cniza
        cniza 22 June 2020 20: 40
        +2
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        . I am convinced that many, most would agree with my article and its conclusions.

        Throw in a personal - discuss


        I join the request.
  6. fn34440
    fn34440 22 June 2020 19: 00
    +9
    And Malaysia, too, MUST BE REQUIRED to be included in the investigation team. And the nenkostat should be thrown out of there.

    In general, it is necessary to open a SEPARATE EMERGENCY trial about who in the "investigation group" for the Boeing shot down by Ukraine over the Donbas covers the Ukrainian murderers. It is imperative to quickly find out which countries in this "investigation group" were profitable to shield the banderlog and indiscriminately spit on Russia.

    The meanness of the barbarian west proved itself here, and not only in the falsification and concealment of the perpetrators of the beginning of 2 MV.
    Let me remind you on June 22, 1941, almost all of 28 countries of pro-Hitler Europe, except for the neutrals, attacked Russia. Yes, and they financed Hitler.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 22 June 2020 19: 51
      +8
      Quote: fn34440
      In general, it is necessary to open a SEPARATE EMERGENCY trial about who in the "investigation group" for the Boeing shot down by Ukraine over the Donbas covers the Ukrainian murderers.

      And for the sake of adequacy with the Hague district court, conduct a trial in the Magadan district ...
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 22 June 2020 23: 00
      -5
      Quote: fn34440
      Let me remind you on June 22, 1941, almost all of 28 countries of pro-Hitler Europe, except for the neutrals, attacked Russia. Yes, and they financed Hitler.

      The state of Russia was not then.
      It was the USSR. For a long time.
      Germany and its allies at that time had long fought with the same England.
  7. Kelwin
    Kelwin 22 June 2020 19: 03
    +5
    Well, why do we need this booth? When it is obvious that "the topic has not passed." Rake everything you have done yourself. And explain to the lawyer that he is paid for his client, and not for loud statements ...
  8. Mooh
    Mooh 22 June 2020 19: 18
    +3
    There is nothing for us to do, the Stockholm Arbitration Court has already sued, praised Western justice has taken a sip. Let them there themselves in Holland and judge until they get tired.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 22 June 2020 19: 19
    +1
    Somewhere behind the scenes there was an exchange?
    It seems that finding out the true cause of the death of MH-17 will allow the sanctions against Russia to be lifted. We are allowed to be investigated, although with great reluctance, I think the Dutch prosecutor's office did not manage to pull the "fox on the globe", many questions remained.
    The only question is what exactly went into the exchange?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 June 2020 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      We are allowed to investigate

      Not yet allowed, and unlikely to be allowed.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 June 2020 19: 32
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Not yet allowed, and unlikely to be allowed.

        Honestly, we haven’t been allowed yet, but it seems that this is exactly what is going on? The Dutch need to explain and prove that these are really participants and perpetrators of the tragedy, but it turns out with difficulty
    2. Siberian54
      Siberian54 22 June 2020 19: 32
      -3
      Sanctions imposed for the Crimea, so that they are not removable ..
      1. The comment was deleted.
    3. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 22 June 2020 19: 54
      +5
      Quote: APASUS
      We are allowed to investigate ...
      Yes, no one allows us. The chatter of a lawyer does not cost anything if it is not confirmed by a corresponding petition and an answer to it!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 June 2020 20: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir61
        The chatter of a lawyer does not cost anything if it is not confirmed by a corresponding petition and an answer to it!

        On the other hand, such statements are not received every day:
        Tokyo (Bernama): The Malaysian government wants strong evidence that Russia is responsible for the 17 Malaysia Airlines flight MH2014 tragedy, said Thun Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.

        “They blame Russia, but where is the evidence?

        https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019/05/31/mh17-where-is-the-evidence-russia-is-responsible-asks-dr-m/
        It's not evening yet, let's wait
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 22 June 2020 20: 15
          -2
          Article from 2019/05/31, Mahathir managed to leave his post during this time.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 23 June 2020 13: 35
            0
            Quote: military_cat
            Article from 2019/05/31, Mahathir managed to leave his post during this time.

            Well, it’s necessary, and when did it?
            Flag 7th Prime Minister of Malaysia
            May 10, 2018 - February 29, 2020

            Or maybe he didn’t leave ..................
        2. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 22 June 2020 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          It's not evening yet, let's wait

          Wow! And it’s better, the Russian Foreign Ministry to declare that Russia will withdraw from the agreement under the UN MS if the RF, one of the co-founders and permanent members of the UN, is not allowed to investigate! It’s even strange that ours didn’t do it right away.
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 22 June 2020 20: 09
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      We are allowed to investigate, although with great reluctance, I think the Dutch prosecutor's office did not succeed in pulling the "fox on the globe", many questions remained.

      You can participate in this booth only on conditions of full admission to all materials and examinations. With the right to conduct repeated examinations. But as far as possible, given the missed time, the mass of lost evidence, the cremation of some members of the crew. A large amount of data will not be recoverable. It will take a lot of time to unravel all the nodes that the OSG imposed, it is not at all a fact that it will be possible to weed out all the lies that are involved in the case. And there is a very big minus - participation in the investigation, even at its last day, will mean our recognition of the legitimacy of this investigation.
      1. Alexey Z
        Alexey Z 23 June 2020 20: 54
        0
        Quote: Hagen
        And there is a very big minus - participation in the investigation, even at its last day, will mean our recognition of the legitimacy of this investigation.

        Isn't an investigation legitimate? Or did you identify the perpetrators without trial? How are you then different from your opponents?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 23 June 2020 21: 15
          0
          Quote: Alexey Z
          Isn't an investigation legitimate? Or did you identify the perpetrators without trial? How are you then different from your opponents?

          Russia does not recognize the results of an investigation conducted without its participation. This has long been said. Today, Russian officials are silent. I don't think the position has changed. Russia is also collecting materials on this case within its capabilities. I think, or rather hope, that our commission has "trump cards up its sleeve." But there is no doubt that the court will adhere to the accusatory tactics towards Russia to the end. That is why this engine was started with amendments.
    5. Kelwin
      Kelwin 23 June 2020 03: 41
      0
      Somewhere behind the scenes there was an exchange?

      Hardly ... we're not in the 80s. Now what’s in use - petrodollars technically and the status of the queen politically. neither there nor there are cardinal shifts. and write off the whole topic in junk. IMHO. hi hi
  10. paco.soto
    paco.soto 22 June 2020 19: 28
    +4
    Seriously: the article is just weird. Court hearings are already underway. The investigation is over. Really could not hire more professional lawyers ?!
  11. fn34440
    fn34440 22 June 2020 19: 47
    -1
    Urgently appoint a special. representative from Russia Semyon Bagdasarov and give him Extraordinary powers. Let diplomats and lawyers carry out, under him, the functions of advisers.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 22 June 2020 20: 28
    +2
    The Russian Federation expressed its desire to participate in the investigation as early as 2015, but the Dutch prosecutor rejected her request.

    COURT would be there ... a trial was started there, that’s the whole story.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 June 2020 20: 46
      +4
      Somewhere on the subconscious mind there is a hope that all the same the COURT will ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 June 2020 20: 51
        +1
        We do not hold those f / s for Faberge, alas.
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 June 2020 20: 52
          +2
          Here the question is very controversial, it’s not the main thing who keeps it, but the main thing is who will break through the wall of lies ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 June 2020 21: 08
            +2
            There, if you tear the wall, then only a special charge!
            The Second World War, almost everything is known, is documented by our and their historians, political figures of that period, and WHAT? Now all sorts of co / w / would be completely nonsense, but the mass media, politicians, boil it up in the ears of the average person .... and the people grab it and yap, screech, already foam is flying out of my mouth.
  13. Aag
    Aag 22 June 2020 20: 51
    -2
    This is our mentality? How is it customary to broadcast now? Are we trying to achieve the Truth? What are the sanctions for? Crimea, Boeing, SP, no difference! Take a look at how the USA is crushing everyone who can compete. About ten years ago, someone yelled: China, China! Others smirked, yes brost! ...
    And about the US body movements? Kosovo, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine .... much more. And this is only territorial. And also under contracts, etc. and the like .... The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed concern, Zakharova emotionally spoke (for the domestic market), some compatriots who were not busy cutting bobs, or who were tasting the joys of life (each, as they understood it) boiled, held meetings in front of the blue screens (sinful) , it was)) ...
    Excuse me, as education and life experience suggest, - it will always be like this! ... Until the domestic economy shows something to be combined with. (IMHO: otherwise I constantly hear about success in this regard, but I don't see ! I understand that with age, vision "sits down." But not so much!).
    True, I didn’t want to tire anyone, but, boiling, pent, I want positive!
  14. Bullba
    Bullba 22 June 2020 21: 20
    0
    Bullshit, how many years have passed.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 June 2020 21: 34
    +2
    And why is this? Obviously they are in full ... pope. Looking for an object on which to fail the investigation? They’ll call, they’ll trample for 3-4 months, then they will say that Putin’s agents have failed the investigation tightly.
  16. demo
    demo 22 June 2020 21: 38
    0
    There are no legal obstacles to the entry of Russian representatives into the Joint Investigative Group (SSG) in the case of the crash of a passenger plane that followed flight MH17 in the Donbass in 2014. The Russian Federation has the right to voice its vision of this issue.

    A normal, self-respecting country (and after 25 years from the beginning of the Bacchanal in the Russian Federation I do not consider it one) should have declared immediately after we were denied entry into the investigative group to state the following.

    TASS is authorized to declare:
    “In connection with the refusal of our country's proposal to join the investigation team of the International Investigation Group (JIT) under the leadership of the Netherlands, we consider ourselves free from any accusations against us.
    All the conclusions that this group will draw and provide to the court cannot have any legal consequences for our country now or in the future.
    In the case of indictment of our state or its citizens, our country reserves the right to attract all participants in this process on the basis of the laws of our country under the articles of the criminal code of our country:
    Article 128.1. Slander;
    Section 205.1. Assistance to terrorist activities;
    Article 210. Organization of a criminal community (criminal organization) or participation in it (her);
    Article 294. Obstruction of the administration of justice and the conduct of preliminary investigations;
    Article 299. Criminal prosecution of a knowingly innocent or unlawful initiation of a criminal case;
    Article 302. Coercion to testify;
    Article 303. Falsification of evidence and the results of operational investigative activities;
    Article 305. Delivering knowingly unjust verdict, decision or other judicial act;
    Article 307. Obviously false testimony, opinion of an expert, specialist or incorrect translation;
    Persons suspected of committing crimes under the aforementioned articles will be subjected to compulsion to the courts of our country.
    Persons guilty of committing crimes under the aforementioned articles will be sentenced to serve their sentences in a correctional institution of our country. "

    I didn’t write the name of "our country" on purpose.
    And suddenly there are those in "our country" who do not consider "our country" as such for themselves.

    This is how statements must be made.
    So that the country of tulips, marijuana and women with low social responsibility begins to think about the consequences of their unconstructive activities.
    But "our country" will not do that.

    I recall Rodrigo Duterte and his words addressed to the first black president of the United States, Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama.
    So what?
    Has the intervention in Indonesia begun?
    Are the killers from the CIA?
    The guy took and spat in the face of the head of the United States, and he wiped himself off and .... went away.
    That's the way to act boldly and decisively!

    Who said - if a fight is inevitable, then hit first?
    The words of a man, but deeds .....
  17. ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 22 June 2020 21: 44
    -1
    There are no legal obstacles to the entry of Russian representatives into the Joint Investigative Group (SSG) in the case of the crash of a passenger plane that followed flight MH17 in the Donbass in 2014. The Russian Federation has the right to voice its vision of this issue.

    How is a witness? Do they want to interrogate Russia as an indirect accomplice? How about, our specialists should be allowed to the materials of the case? Or simply, to answer the questions of the "stoned" Dutchmen? Here Efremov is odd on the road, no one from Holland wants to come and comment ..
  18. Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 22 June 2020 21: 46
    -3
    Which investigation team? The court is already there
  19. iouris
    iouris 22 June 2020 22: 03
    -3
    Or a "great power" or "a member of an international (!) Investigative (!!) group." Take your pick!
  20. Terenin
    Terenin 22 June 2020 22: 28
    +3
    Such a statement was made by Dutch lawyer Sabine ten Dusskhate, who defends Russian Oleg Pulatov.

    Obviously, the guy got acquainted with the case materials, even regarding it, and is trying to save the court from shame ...
    But they do not seem to understand this hint of a lawyer. No.
    1. BAI
      BAI 22 June 2020 23: 29
      0
      has done Dutch lawyer

      This is a woman.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 22 June 2020 23: 39
        +2
        Yes they figs understand hu from hu? laughing
    2. Kelwin
      Kelwin 23 June 2020 03: 50
      +2
      Gene, count Cho will be further))
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 23 June 2020 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: Captive
        Yes they figs understand hu from hu?
        in terms of tolerance and western democracy winked .
        Quote: KelWin
        Gene, count Cho will be further))
        it will be "attorney 1 and attorney 2" crying
  21. Cristall
    Cristall 22 June 2020 23: 15
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    Joint Investigation Team (JIT)
    it includes 11 countries whose citizens died (plus the country of origin and the country of the operator + the country over whose territory it was shot down)
    The Russian Federation is not in it because neither citizens, nor the plane, nor over the Russian Federation are shot down.
    The RF is not included in any side.
    We can say that Belgium is also no sideways, however
    Belgium became part of the Joint Investigative Group, since its creation required the participation of at least two member states of the European Union Police Service, Europol, but its participation was formal.
    Specialists of the Russian Federation provided assistance and consultations in the course of the case. (Federal Air Transport Agency, etc.)
    But it cannot enter the OSG of the Russian Federation due to the voiced above
    There are no grounds.
    By the way, the newspaper Ru writes that these lawyers (Pulatov) announced the fighters.
    FROM Witnesses who saw planes on the day of the fall.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 23 June 2020 02: 51
      -2
      Quote: Cristall
      We can say that Belgium is also no side

      On board the MH17 were 4 Belgian citizens.
    2. Kelwin
      Kelwin 23 June 2020 03: 57
      +1
      The newspaper Ru incidentally writes about

      Ugreshka will write this to you, for example, "a certain big-eyed oligophrenic, according to the source, bumped into a traffic light after the accident of a toy Porsche, our source does not have information about the identity of the glasses ..." "and further.))))
  22. BAI
    BAI 22 June 2020 23: 28
    +1
    There are no legal obstacles

    There are political ones.
  23. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 23 June 2020 08: 28
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    And when, generally speaking, does the statute of limitations on this case expire?
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  30. boris epstein
    boris epstein 23 June 2020 16: 13
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    "I would like to hope that the true culprits of this tragedy will one day find themselves in the dock." I would like to, of course. But the main developers and culprits are overseas. And velikokry are only performers. Therefore, the chances of their "landing" -maker.
  31. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 23 June 2020 19: 43
    0
    "... I would like to hope that the true culprits of this tragedy will one day find themselves in the dock." (from)

    I'm afraid that by this time, they will "cleanse" them and there will be no one to judge. Is that - posthumously ...
  32. Cheerock
    Cheerock 24 June 2020 00: 00
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    Quote: kig
    Quote: Albert1988
    and what then he corrected the course three times already

    It is always useful to read the source, rather than the dubious horrible. In our case, these are the results of the investigation. There are also about other airlines, and negotiations of controllers, and changes in the route of the unfortunate Boeing. Read. In Russian, too. Then we'll talk.

    I personally watched the flight tracks of this flight during the 10 days prior to the crash on the "flight radar". Everything is clearly visible there, how the course was corrected. Don't lie.
    1. kig
      kig 24 June 2020 13: 40
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      Quote: CheeRock
      I personally watched the flight tracks of this flight during the 10 days prior to the crash on the "flight radar". Everything is clearly visible there, how the course was corrected. Don't lie.


      I won’t argue, but I’ll say that you still need to read the source. Here is an excerpt from the Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 document - this is the final report of the crash investigation commission. Only the event itself, without trying to point out the culprits. Page 26



      Page 25 and 26



      With the translation, I hope you can figure it out.
      1. Cheerock
        Cheerock 10 July 2020 15: 55
        0
        Sorry for delay, there is no problem with the translation.
        In these primary sources the route, requests and corrections on the day of the disaster are registered, but there is not a word about how the route of this flight changed within 10 days before the disaster. And this is very indicative information.