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The upgraded version of the "train" "Maglev" in China exceeded a speed of 600 km / h

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The upgraded version of the "train" "Maglev" in China exceeded a speed of 600 km / h

In the section “Talk about science” today there is a small story about how in China a modernized version of the high-speed Maglev vehicle was tested (using the combination of the words “magnetic levitation”). Usually this vehicle is called a train. It moves along a peculiar magnetic cushion on a special line, which is a canvas elevated above the surface of the earth.


To run Maglev trains, relatively small sections several kilometers long were created. For example, from the airport to the city. Typically, when moving, the speed of such a train reached 431 km / h (in China). At the same time, it could reach 470-500 km / h, but it was deliberately limited due to increasing risks.

The upgraded version of the Maglev is able to accelerate to a speed of 600 km / h and even exceed this bar. The train has already been tested by CRRC Sifang specialists at the test line at Tongji University in Shanghai - the 600 km / h bar was successfully overcome during such tests.

To reduce the risks of getting off the canvas, Maglev implemented the principle of “grasping” its edges. The design is such that, for example, if there is a roll on one side, the system will immediately begin to align its position, and the “girth” will not allow, as they say, to fly off the road.

It should be noted that earlier in Japan they announced the maximum speed of such a train at 603 km / h. But never a speed above 600 km / h was not used in a practical version. Now it is planned that at such speeds the updated Chinese Maglev will be able to carry passengers.

Given the fact that, from the point of view of passenger transportation, the project has been causing losses for several years, it is important to note the following: Chinese space industry is very interested in it. The fact is that there is a project according to which the acceleration system when using the effect of magnetic levitation could be used to launch a certain payload into space. In particular, the option is being considered with the launch of satellites into relatively "low" orbits.
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  1. Avior
    Avior 22 June 2020 09: 21 New
    -2
    Looking at this train, it comes to mind that aerodynamics is pseudoscience, and it was not used for the train
    1. SS-18
      SS-18 22 June 2020 09: 32 New
      26


      and yesterday, the PRC was all on bicycles ..
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2020 09: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: SS-18
        and yesterday, the PRC was all on bicycles ..

        It wasn’t, but was ..KNRepublic
        The USSR is the same from the "bast and agricultural", was able to become "industrial, nuclear and space"
        I’m more interested in using such trains to transport goods, then it would be possible to increase the profitability and speed of transportation of goods, the same containers
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 09: 41 New
          11
          Expensive. About the same as carrying passengers with supersonic aircraft.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 June 2020 10: 01 New
            +8
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Expensive. About the same as carrying passengers with supersonic aircraft.

            Yes expensive. China has the most high-speed lines, but they do not cover the mileage that is available for simple trains. Take the same Peregrine Falcon ... optimally 200 km / h is not very bad, but ... for it you need high-speed roads, which are few. And reworking the entire infrastructure for high-speed trains is kapets how expensive.
          2. Zeev
            Zeev zeev 22 June 2020 10: 15 New
            +4
            Nevertheless, passengers carried supersonic planes for almost thirty years. And the main problem was the high cost of fuel, which can be changed at the current level of development.
          3. Civil
            Civil 22 June 2020 10: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Expensive. About the same as carrying passengers with supersonic aircraft.

            In general, people are expensive to maintain. But the Chinese Communist Party is doing everything for its own.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 10: 55 New
              -5
              Maglev is more for tourists. Demonstration of achievements, attraction.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 22 June 2020 14: 00 New
                0
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Maglev is more for tourists. Demonstration of achievements, attraction.

                Unfortunately, we have NO achievements for 20 years!
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 08 New
                  -2
                  Are you sure about that? For me, it’s a decent achievement. And this is not a worthless Maglev, whom both the Germans and the British abandoned.
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 22 June 2020 14: 15 New
                    +5
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    Are you sure about that? For me, it’s a decent achievement. And this is not a worthless Maglev, whom both the Germans and the British abandoned.

                    If we consider the robbery of the country and the rapid increase in dollar billionaires and millionaires to be achievements, then yes we are ahead of the whole planet, and the rest of ebnoputinism threw us a century ago. hi
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 35 New
                      -6
                      Are you up to these billionaires? Envy? Well, people were able to get settled - their happiness. Yeah, they threw it back: we walk in bast shoes, it itches with a bump, we wipe ourselves with the Pravda newspaper. This morning stood in a traffic jam for two hours - the robbed were driving.
                      1. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 16: 00 New
                        -8
                        And I would for comments, from which for 100 versts envy envy, would ban mercilessly, as for a mat and even more.
                        And according to the material of the article, I have such an opinion. Until economists are removed from the economy, it will not become modern.
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 16: 11 New
                        -4
                        Economists are different. There are theorists who try to turn the steering wheel or give us very smart predictions, usually with a HSE diploma. And there are practices that have created and rule entire business empires. Without specialized education, but well knowing where the money comes from and how to make a lot of it. So they must manage the economy
                      3. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 16: 16 New
                        -2
                        Do not say, economists should serve the creators and not be engaged in optimization. But only then everyone will try to think of himself as a creator and they all quarrel. Who will make the decisions? That's the question. Everywhere solid economists. In the RAS, in the government ... even in the church.
                        Who do we have most of the leaders. These are people who received a normal first education, but really did not work in their specialty. Then no second, but economic. And now the path to the career ladder is open to you
                      4. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 22 June 2020 16: 25 New
                        +1
                        It’s better not to have them at all than like now. Let the salary, as they say in the USSR. You can’t trust them anymore.
                      5. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 16: 29 New
                        +4
                        I will sooner trust my life to a simple surgeon who has performed hundreds of successful operations during his practice than to a brilliant theoretician with a degree who does not really know how to hold a scalpel in his hands. With the economy, the same thing.
                  2. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 22 June 2020 16: 24 New
                    0
                    And to remove, this is in the sense of a spy thriller.
                  3. RESEARCHER
                    RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 16: 42 New
                    0
                    You can remove it as you wish. I would not hesitate to work with them using the Stalinist methods. The main thing is that there should be sense, and not the notorious human rights are respected.
                  4. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 22 June 2020 17: 48 New
                    +3
                    Quote: RESEARCHER
                    You can remove it as you wish. I would not hesitate to work with them using the Stalinist methods. The main thing is that there should be sense, and not the notorious human rights are respected

                    Well, let's say Stalin differs from Putin in exactly the same way as the CHANNEL differs from the SEWER.
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 22 June 2020 17: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              What are these billionaires up to you? Envy?

              No envy, they just stole from my children the right to a happy future and 20 years of my life, and for this I will punish them with all the proletarian hatred!
            3. RESEARCHER
              RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 18: 23 New
              -5
              Who and what stole from whom and how, there are many interesting things. They wrote that the millionaire blogger died. Some 18-year-old Nastya Tropitsel. Or maybe she and her kind are stealing our children by telling them tales about a beautiful life. And the children listen and dream to live and travel beautifully and at the same time not to work a damn thing. And then we are surprised that we have to raise the retirement age and still have a beggarly pension.
            4. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 June 2020 12: 29 New
              0
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              Some 18-year-old Nastya Tropitsel. Or maybe she and her kind are stealing our children by telling them tales about a beautiful life. And the children listen and dream to live and travel beautifully and at the same time not to work a damn thing.
              This is all fixed quite easily. It is enough for all social networks to remove the monetization of channels. As soon as bloggers stop earning money from subscribers, there will be a need to look for a normal job. At the same time, blogging will cease to be such an attractive niche for shkolota.
            5. RESEARCHER
              RESEARCHER 23 June 2020 14: 20 New
              0
              How everything is simple here. You might think that social networks have nothing from this. And the military review also has income from advertising.
            6. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 June 2020 14: 28 New
              0
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              How everything is simple here.
              There is nothing complicated here. Another question is that this will run counter to the business interests of Facebook, Google, Mail.ru Group and other companies that own social networks. But other measures to stop this:
              And the children listen and dream to live and travel beautifully and at the same time not to work a damn.
              does not exist.
  2. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 22 June 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    In the first place in terms of dollar billionaires in the world, China, in second place the United States.
  • forpost
    forpost 23 June 2020 20: 06 New
    0
    bad that you have nothing
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 22 June 2020 12: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    people keep expensive.

    It’s expensive to keep balcony consumers and parasites - those from whom there is no return. yes
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2020 11: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Expensive. About the same as carrying passengers with supersonic aircraft.

    Any new business is expensive, but it is necessary to start sometime ... Our country has HUGE distances, where the speed of movement of freight transport plays an important role ... and if it is possible to quickly deliver container cargo from one end of the country to the other within a day and a half , then this would greatly help the development of the country both within and as a transit country ...
    It would not only pay off, but the price of such transportation would decrease, and at the same time industry would support
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 22 June 2020 13: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: svp67
      It would not only pay off, but the price of such transportation would decrease, and at the same time industry would support

      I am very sorry, But With this power it is impossible, only rollback and cut. hi
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 22 June 2020 16: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    I’m more interested in using such trains to transport goods

    The cost of building such lines and trains, the profitability of their operation, as you can understand, are not interested. You can, for example, carry goods along the Northern Sea Route on nuclear submarines, then icebreakers will not need to be built. lol
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 22 June 2020 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      The cost of building such lines and trains, the profitability of their operation, as you can understand, are not interested. You can, for example, carry goods along the Northern Sea Route on nuclear submarines, then icebreakers will not need to be built.

      Do you propose moving and carrying horse-drawn loads? I’ll remind you a little bit that the world already lives in the 21st century, and you in which?
      Threat. With the money that Putinism stole from the country, it would be possible to encircle the whole country along and across with fast lines, take a tram to the moon and colonize Mars, and we all continue to search for enemies, even where they cannot be. hi
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 June 2020 18: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        Do you propose moving and carrying horse-drawn loads? I’ll remind you a little bit that the world already lives in the 21st century, and you in which?
        Threat. With the money that Putinism stole from the country, it would be possible to encircle the whole country along and across with fast lines, take a tram to the moon and colonize Mars, and we all continue to search for enemies, even where they cannot be.

        About the "horse traction", I hope you did not think about it? Not to mention the "Putinism" and the "enemies" that you stuck here. negative . If we live in the age of nuclear energy, this does not mean that all cars need to be equipped with nuclear reactors. It is necessary to consider profitability under any power.
        1. dauria
          dauria 22 June 2020 23: 23 New
          +2
          It is necessary to consider profitability under any power.


          Not only count, but also manage this profitability. Taxes, customs barriers, (or rates, as in the USSR). Forcing cash flows to be redirected to the right niche in the country. So let me disagree with you. In the USSR there were children's railways, unprofitable. There was a metro in cities - everywhere unprofitable except for Moscow. Close? In our city, trams were removed for unprofitability. All moved to personal cars. And now traffic jams - it’s faster to reach on foot. Now what ? To rebuild the whole city with roads and parking lots for personal cars is very cost-effective ...
          The Chinese made the road, albeit unique and unnecessary ... But they got a bunch of sensible engineers "in the load." Profitability - it is different. Short-term and long-term.
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2020 20: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      The cost of building such lines and trains, the profitability of their operation, as you can understand, are not interested. You can, for example, carry goods along the Northern Sea Route on nuclear submarines, then icebreakers will not need to be built.

      Excuse me, but at the beginning of the last century, what was more advantageous than horse-drawn transport or a car, electric transport? The horse cost much CHEAPER, but something I now do not see them on the road ...
      1. forpost
        forpost 23 June 2020 20: 12 New
        -1
        and on concordes no one carries goods; an example about a horse is not appropriate
  • antivirus
    antivirus 22 June 2020 10: 40 New
    +4
    except veleks - MAIN - DENSITY OF THE POPULATION AND NUMBER OF IT.
    to pay off Mlskva-Kazan need the number of passengers and trips to work,
    “PREPARE” PEOPLE NEEDED --- IN THE 90S, TO BUILD YOUNG PEOPLE FOR MULTI-CHILDREN IN THE 00TH AND 10TH, THEY GIVE BIRTH AND IN THE 20TH A ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED AND SO ALL DIRECTIONS
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 June 2020 17: 15 New
    0
    It’s cheaper to create and launch a hypersonic passenger plane with a scramjet engine than to build roads for such trains across the country.
  • demo
    demo 22 June 2020 17: 44 New
    +1
    In China, today is the largest number of bicycles in the world.
    I remembered one moment.
    Once the Chinese invited them to go "out into the open."
    On three minivans drove towards the Sino-Korean border.
    It was necessary to go for two and a half hours.
    And in some place there was a need to refuel.
    The company came across a little smoker, so there was an opportunity to get poisoned.
    Moved away from the gas station to the side and look at the field.
    And I can’t understand what is happening there.
    And there a man goes with a harrow to get a horse, and next to him the little man steps and throws something into the ground.
    I ask a Chinese man who was poisoning with me - what is this?
    He looked and said (since the company works with Russia, there are a lot of Russian speakers) - it’s he who plants some local culture.
    I say - for myself?
    He was surprised - why for himself, for sale.
    We drove away from the gas station, and I looked around and saw hundreds of such Chinese in the field on horseback plowing and sowing land.
    And then it dawned on me - this is the reason for the cheapness of Chinese products.
    Costs - feed the horse, but yourself with a bite to eat.

    Such a train is more a status and a lesser means of transportation.
    High-speed trains require the construction of special railway tracks.
    Fenced and inaccessible.
    But these still need to be covered from precipitation (snow, showers).
    And if something happens, such a projectile, if it flies off the road (there were precedents in China), is clearly a mixture of meat, bones and magnets with wires.
    Such a road, in general, should move in an isolated requirement, in an airless space, preferably two hundred meters below ground level.
    And at distances of five hundred to seven hundred kilometers.
    And go where mountains, deserts, forests, i.e. where it’s difficult and impossible to build roads in the usual way, on the surface.
  • minus
    minus 22 June 2020 09: 35 New
    +8
    Well, why say so?) This is depicted one of the middle sections. For clarity, grasp the paths of the body. In full-fledged compositions, everything is fine with aerodynamics)
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 June 2020 09: 41 New
      -2
      Probably, the picture should have been better chosen, since they wrote about the train, and not just the way of suspension
      1. minus
        minus 22 June 2020 09: 43 New
        +1
        Well, what do you want from journalists? wink drinks
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 June 2020 17: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Probably, the picture should have been better chosen ...

        Well, you need to look for it, spend time. The main thing is to put the news here faster. Local bloggers for such "little things" (as often happens) are not exchanged. lol
  • loki565
    loki565 22 June 2020 09: 39 New
    +8
    Strange, on prototypes with aerodynamics it was all normal)))
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 28 New
    -1
    No looking at this miracle comes to mind that the creator has no head. The higher the speed, the higher the resistance, the greater the expense of overcoming it, the greater the cost. And it also comes to mind that the cost of a trip on this will be more than on an airplane.
  • SS-18
    SS-18 22 June 2020 09: 29 New
    11


    the future has come. Isaac Asimov could not have imagined such a design ..
    1. jekasimf
      jekasimf 22 June 2020 10: 14 New
      +2
      Just yesterday, Russia imported cereals ....... Everything flows, everything changes.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 22 June 2020 10: 41 New
        0
        Just yesterday, Russia imported cereals.

        -Arely the aircraft carriers in 70 000 tons of export VI begin to drive? like T90 and Su34-5, -57
      2. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 22 June 2020 11: 29 New
        +7
        On this occasion you have to grieve. The USSR did not import grain for the population, but for livestock feed. And mainly to feed the cows. Now we have a failure in beef, we import, but there are a lot of birds. And the feed costs there are completely different. To get a kilogram of beef requires 7 kilograms of grain, and per kilogram of chicken only 1,5. That's how we got the "extra" grain ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 June 2020 13: 59 New
          0
          Grain is strife
          Wheat was imported for the population.
          Corn and carded food.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 14: 10 New
          +4
          Wheat was imported into the USSR, just for feed to the population. "Ear of America"
        3. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 22 June 2020 14: 20 New
          +3
          To get a kilogram of beef requires 7 kilograms of grain, and per kilogram of chicken only 1,5. That's how we got the "extra" grain ...

          No need to pull out of the general sense. The production of pork in the Russian Federation is the same as in .... the USSR !!! Did you catch the difference? Now calculate the cost of feed and for the production of pork. In beef, the peak of its production occurred in 88-89 years, somewhere under 4 million tons. Why do you know? In pursuit of reporting figures and a plan, because of feed shortages, she went MASS slaughter !!! And yet, in the USSR there was completely no branch of production of purely meat cattle, only meat and dairy. It is for information only. Not everything was smooth then. And do not mindlessly groan the current time.
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 June 2020 17: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Sahalinets
          The USSR did not import grain for the population, but for livestock feed.

          In the USSR, it was strained with durum wheat, which went to "feed" the population. She was imported. And its own (soft varieties) went to feed livestock.
        5. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 June 2020 17: 32 New
          0
          47 million tons purchased by 1986 are somehow awesome for cows. Moreover, cows don’t eat one grain and bought 3,4 classes of grain because it was cheaper and they also bought under 500 thousand tons of meat. And we must admit the USSR lost a lot of its grain during transportation. Russia has as much meat production as the RSFSR in 1990 — more than 10 million tons, grain 120 million tons — and this with reduced sown areas of 377000 square kilometers 1177000 against the current 800000.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 29 New
      +2
      They built one miracle and realized that the fare is much higher than a conventional train, since creating an ultra-powerful magnetic field is much more expensive than wheels. But China can afford to get involved.
  • Titsen
    Titsen 22 June 2020 09: 29 New
    +5
    The Chinese are just great!
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 30 New
      0
      In what? The fact that they built a non-viable vehicle? Plane is faster and cheaper.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 June 2020 09: 33 New
    -3
    The author, with the help of what exactly do you want to get magnetic levitation for an apparatus that can go beyond the Earth’s atmosphere with the same levitation? Of course, magnetic fields are good, but how exactly using only one field you can break away from the surface of the planet, and even go beyond the atmosphere? This topic has been procrastinated for decades! Humanity does not yet have the necessary technology to use subtle magnetic disturbances in the planet’s atmosphere to obtain power sufficient to accelerate to 7,8 km / s. , and exit into orbit!
    1. minus
      minus 22 June 2020 09: 41 New
      +3
      Apparently acceleration along the guides. In fact, a Gaussian gun. And compared with Railgun there is no wear of conductive rails.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 22 June 2020 20: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Minus
        Apparently acceleration along the guides

        I would do something combined: the beginning of acceleration on the "electric traction", somewhere in the "end of the beginning" - the connection of the taxiway. It’s easier to drag a smaller mass of fuel ...
    2. knn54
      knn54 22 June 2020 10: 00 New
      0
      Not just to withdraw, but also to stabilize. Or magnets should be very complex in construction.
      The train has a different principle.
      Permanent magnets will not pull, and electromagnets need super powerful power sources. And to "provide" superconductivity.
      1. Zeev
        Zeev zeev 22 June 2020 10: 18 New
        +1
        All problems with electricity and stabilization are completely solvable.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 32 New
          0
          But the problems with the huge cost of creating a powerful magnetic field are the same solved? How much is the gap and how does its size depend on the power of the magnetic field? China has money to splurge, but economically this is a dead end.
    3. akropin
      akropin 22 June 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      But can’t it be used as an overclocking unit?
  • Coward
    Coward 22 June 2020 09: 51 New
    +2
    Before the green or No. 2 metro line reached Pudong, the project may also have been breaking even. But after they began to ride it only for the sake of curiosity. The main passenger traffic was transferred by metro.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 22 June 2020 10: 09 New
    +2
    So it’s a cool toy, but that’s what will happen in the event of an accident at the energy supply site, if the electricity dies ... this beautiful 600km train just flops on its belly, or it has "emergency wheels" there))
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 June 2020 10: 29 New
    0
    Everything flows, everything develops ... from the realm of fantasy, it is gradually being introduced into our life. It is a pity that we have to look at a lot from the side, I really hope that this is not for long.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 33 New
      +2
      This is a dead end tool, experimental, no one does this anymore, because it is unprofitable. Expensive, high cost of operation.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 June 2020 13: 55 New
        0
        Two options - they do, because they can afford it.
        We don’t know what.
        The topic really appeared a long time ago, but no one could allow such an excess ... let's see how it goes for them.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 17: 37 New
          +1
          But it didn’t. Pontonulsya and all, the end. Plane is cheaper.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 22 June 2020 11: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: SS-18


    and yesterday, the PRC was all on bicycles ..

    and now all of Germany is on bicycles (although some are priced at the price of a car). In Germany and in France they didn’t go on the road to the Maglevs, it will be unprofitable, given the biting prices for tickets for ordinary wheeled high-speed trains (ICE and TGV), then no one will go to ManLevy
    1. kpd
      kpd 22 June 2020 11: 28 New
      +3
      The Shanghai Muggle was commissioned by the Shanghai authorities by the German consortium Transrapid, which included Siemens (Transrapid 08 trains) and ThyssenKrupp (road) in 2001-2003. And in Germany itself, after an accident on a demo squad, the Muggle has not yet developed.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 22 June 2020 11: 53 New
        +3
        I am aware that Maglev is not developing in Germany, what do you think the Germans will agree to pay 300-500 € per train ticket no matter how fast it is? Now more and more active people in Germany are changing to FlixBus (intercity buses) shopping mall. For example, a price from Basel to Frankfurt am Main on ICE costs about 75 € with FlixBus only 10 € and then 75 € is by the way still a very good reasonable price. and since electricity prices are creeping up, DB (Deutsche Bahn) will certainly increase ticket prices. And Maglev, in comparison with the conventional train of electricity, probably eats orders of magnitude more
        1. kpd
          kpd 22 June 2020 12: 09 New
          0
          Trains of this type have one chronic sore - they really do not like icing of the track, it can work in a warm climate, but in Germany or Russia in winter there are big problems.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 17: 39 New
            +1
            They have a different sore: the greater the distance between the hull and the tracks, the more the magnetic field is needed, as a result, a trip on such a miracle will be more expensive than on an airplane.
  • Old26
    Old26 22 June 2020 11: 48 New
    +6
    Quote: SS-18
    the future has come. Isaac Asimov could not have imagined such a design ..

    Yes that's for sure.
    In the early 80s was on a business trip in Moscow. He returned by train Moscow - Rostov-on-Don. Travel time is approximately 20 hours. Who during the times of the USSR traveled on a business trip by train knows that the main thing is to kill time. There were no tablets or e-books. It remained to buy newspapers and magazines (sometimes a whole pack). Once, on such a business trip, before sending the train, I bought a book at the station (series “Science”, in a paperback) called “Urban transport of the future”. If you flip through it now, we can say that 95-98 percent of what is written there exists. And some of the existing ones were not described there. So yes, the Future has come and now it’s even more difficult than 40 years ago to “fantasize” how the same transport will develop
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 13: 26 New
    +1
    That miracle rides is garbage. Can you lay out how much it costs to drive one kilometer? How much fuel is spent to maintain a powerful magnetic field? And then compare with the cost of flying on an airplane.
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 22 June 2020 14: 22 New
    -2
    I am very happy for Russian Railways.
    Nothing else a little bit and we will get out of the vaults of the Steam Engine and rush into a breakthrough into a brighter future !!!!
    Hooray.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 June 2020 17: 36 New
      +1
      I am also glad - 70% of the entire composition of Russian Railways have already been updated, and you keep your own locomotives of delirium.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 17: 41 New
      +1
      Steam locomotors are there. What does not suit you Russian Railways? Electromagnetic trains are nonsense, and very expensive nonsense. The wheels are much more economical, and the plane is the same. Only the Chinese were able to build this under-transport, and then one small route, that's all, physics and economics can not be fooled.
  • Old26
    Old26 22 June 2020 14: 58 New
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    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    That miracle rides is garbage. Can you lay out how much it costs to drive one kilometer? How much fuel is spent to maintain a powerful magnetic field? And then compare with the cost of flying on an airplane.

    Of course, everything is known in comparison, but it is not worthwhile to focus exclusively on money. Yes, now for sure the ride on this train is more expensive. It may be expensive for a long time, but ... Agree, if you have a fundamental time factor (well, plus amenities) you will choose the best option. It may be more expensive, but convenient for you. Sometimes it’s more profitable to pay “more expensive” and move “faster” than “cheaper”, but at the same time “longer.”
    After all, people flew on the Concord across the ocean, spending more money, but at the same time three times less time. And so it is everywhere.
    Here is an example. Summer 2010 Business trip to Moscow. I need to get to Vnukovo Airport from the center of Moscow. Two options
    1. By metro to the "Southwest" and from there by minibus to Vnukovo
    2. By metro to Kievsky station and from there by express train to Vnukovo
    The price of the Aeroexpress is about three times more than the minibus. But outside the window is Saturday morning. According to information on the road, giant traffic jams. It may turn out that on the minibus I do not have time for the plane, getting stuck in traffic. What is selected? Yes, everything is correct, more expensive, but at the same time a high-speed route (in time). And so always and everywhere. Maybe at first this train will be expensive and unprofitable, but several years will pass and everything may change
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 June 2020 17: 50 New
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      Nobody needs a train that is much more expensive than a train and an airplane. Do you want speed: airplane, you want savings: train. Transport with 600 km \ h requires huge energy costs, smooth roads, very expensive service. Concord actually covered because of the high cost, and not accident, which was meager.
      Do you need to get to the plane? And can you imagine how much the path will cost for such an electric car and how smooth it should be? This is all a toy.
    2. Klingon
      Klingon 22 June 2020 17: 51 New
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      when the TOKOMAKI (ITER and others like them) work for us, then it will be possible to massively introduce Maga-Leva into the transport infrastructure, but for now it’s economically unprofitable fantasies apart from short trips from the terminals to the gate at some big cities
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 22 June 2020 17: 24 New
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    Still, I think that so far this is a technology demonstrator. The efficiency of a magnetic suspension is not a fountain, yes, and overcoming resistance is not a free thing.
    But in the development of high-speed trains, China is cool. A very convenient thing. And better than the French for sure. Ours is not that either.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 22 June 2020 17: 53 New
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    Quote: mmaxx
    Still, I think that so far this is a technology demonstrator. The efficiency of a magnetic suspension is not a fountain, yes, and overcoming resistance is not a free thing.
    But in the development of high-speed trains, China is cool. A very convenient thing. And better than the French for sure. Ours is not that either.

    I wonder WHAT is better than French? TGV is one of the best high-speed electric trains in the world. Please justify, otherwise I can also say a Colombian banana NOT that Ecuadorian will be better
  • Old26
    Old26 22 June 2020 21: 18 New
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    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    Nobody needs a train that is much more expensive than a train and an airplane. Do you want speed: airplane, you want savings: train. Transport with 600 km \ h requires huge energy costs, smooth roads, very expensive service. Concord actually covered because of the high cost, and not accident, which was meager.
    Do you need to get to the plane? And can you imagine how much the path will cost for such an electric car and how smooth it should be? This is all a toy.


    Such a project requires huge costs, no one thinks that it will be cheap. The costs are enormous, especially at the initial stage, but if you do nothing, such projects will not be cheaper or even implemented. Progress is underway, because electric cars 40 years ago did not have the same characteristics as they do now.
    But if you need to get, for example, to the airport, which is at a distance of, for example, 50 km from the city border. Plus 20 kilometers from the airport in the city to the outskirts of the city. In total, let it be 70 km. At a speed of 600 km / h it will take you 7 minutes. At a lower speed at the same range - a little more.
    In some situations, such transport will be necessary over time, in some - unnecessary. Let's say the same shuttles that go in such cases (buses). How much they transport people and how much they move. Of course, everything needs to be considered, but so to say right away that all this is nonsense and nobody needs it - too simple and presumptuous.
    For example, railways to the south, for example, from Rostov to Vladikavkaz, can be made and the road will take, for example, an hour or a half instead of 10-12 by bus or 1,5-2 hours by plane. A regular train will also go 12-14 hours. So to do sooner or later have to. But of course you need to count