“It burns and drowns”: a former American boat of the Navy “Starobelsk” entered into battle with a conditional enemy

The Ukrainian Navy decided to conduct a training involving an Island-type patrol boat previously handed over by the United States of America. We are talking about a boat, which in the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the name "Starobelsk" and number P191.

In the press service of Ukrainian fleet stated that "Starobelsk" as part of the Navy first worked out the "experimental course task."
This task consisted of performing a set of exercises: repulsing an enemy attack from the sea, firing standard (Ukrainian) weapons at surface and air targets.

The Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tells about the legend of the exercises: the Starobelsk boat was forced to engage in artillery battle with enemy ships and air means. Given the armament of Starobelsk, it must be assumed that the use of its 25-mm gun was called a boat by artillery in Ukraine. The video confirms this (presented below).

As a result of the battle in one of the compartments of the Ukrainian (which was originally American) boat, a fire started, then the boat received a hole below the waterline.

Ukrainian users, commenting on this legend, not without irony, note that it is quite realistic for a boat of the Island type written off by the United States - “it burns and drowns in the event of a battle with ships and helicopters as well”.

At the same time, the commander of the patrol boat, senior lieutenant of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Pavel Gladchenko, notes that "the crew confirmed the readiness of the boat to perform both a single voyage and to conduct combat."

As you can see, the crew members of the boat can not always pick up Ukrainian words when telling about the exercises - sometimes they have to be in Russian ...

As it turned out, during the training on the boat, actions were also worked out to “repel the attack of divers-saboteurs”.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

quite realistic - “it burns and drowns in the event of a battle with both ships and helicopters”

.Fire during a flood in a house of tolerance ... oh, how realistic it is. We wait.

[seregatara1969]

Judging by the photo, in the event of a helicopter attacking a boat, is the shooter obliged to fall on his knees to raise the gun barrel?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: seregatara1969

the gun barrel is bound to fall to his knees

For the cookie then. Not once.

[Cyril G ...]

This, as I understand it, the barrel is taken from 2M3M and installed on a makeshift machine. Where shells will be taken if they have not been fired for 50 years is not clear ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Cyril G ...

This, as I understand it, the barrel is taken from 2M3M and installed on a makeshift machine

It is especially interesting how this fighter will fire on the move or with minimal pitching?

[avg]

Quote: seregatara1969

Judging by the photo, in the event of a helicopter attacking a boat, is the shooter obliged to fall on his knees to raise the gun barrel?

Not at all! Hearing the noise of helicopter propellers, the crew laughed briskly overboard, loudly demanding the adoption of measures of the international position of Salvation on the waters.

[Evdokim]

"The crew confirmed the readiness of the boat to perform both a single voyage and to conduct combat."

Well, he’ll drown everyone alone. Kikabidze Ukrainian. Piracy on it is certainly more comfortable than on an inflatable boat.

[Avior]

RCC theoretically possible on these boats
I wonder if they will bet or not?

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

RCC theoretically possible on these boats

One piece? And the meaning? Not only is it necessary to install a launching conveyor somewhere, but also a bunch of different equipment, will there be enough space or will the crew need to be reduced? And how this boat will feel on the wave, obviously its "metacentre" will be higher
But if they really try to do this, they will be drowned in the port ...

[Avior]

They write that he has reserved 10 tons for weapons
Rocket 900, with a launch of 1.5 -2 tons, for example.
For PCR, other equipment is not needed, a small targeting radar unless.
That is, the total weight of 4 missiles 6-8 tons, it turns out

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

That is, the total weight of 4 missiles 6-8 tons, it turns out

And all this load on the stern? Yes, he will turn into a submarine, though missile.

[Avior]

I don’t know how he planned it there.
I also do not believe in 4 launchers, but a couple, in my opinion, is quite possible.
Ukraine simply has no other opportunities to put anti-ship missiles on ships, and this was stated.
Although it’s obvious that missiles for such boats are too big

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine simply has no other opportunities to put anti-ship missiles on ships, and this was stated.

It's for now. They are now negotiating the supply of two decommissioned Perry-class frigates from the United States, plus they have a long-term construction in the form of the Vladimir Veliky corvette.

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

Nowhere to put them on Perry

Well, why, they can use the MK-13 installation, or completely abandon it, redoing something for their own

[Avior]

Mk13 for harpoons and cm1 in a drum set, too much to redo, and there is simply no place for launching Neptune on Perry
Is that instead of MK13, but then there will be a seafaring frigate without anti-aircraft weapons, what's the point?

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

Is that instead of MK13, but then there will be a seafaring frigate without anti-aircraft weapons, what's the point?

And in these frigates and so there is not much sense ... it was not for nothing that the Americans dismissed them so quickly, they were unsuccessful. And for Ukraine it is a "flag demonstration" and the role of a "missile kamikaze"

[Avior]

it’s in vain, the ship is not bad for its purposes, they were built in 30 years in a large lot, the Americans simply did not have the problem of escorting Atlantic convoys after 1991, for which they were built.
And so half is still running, including modernized, albeit obsolete.
But specifically, Ukraine its advantages in seaworthiness, range is simply useless. Especially since the American Perry Mk13 was simply dismantled due to the cessation of production of cm-1, it is a frigate PLO.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

it's you for nothing, the ship is not bad for its purpose

That's it - for their goals.

I will not give you a definition "forelock"(for now), but you have already" noted "the desire to heap the anti-ship missiles on the shell ...

I wonder for what purpose? "Defense Defenses", or you intend to sink ships"аХspring"Attack the Crimean Bridge?

There is a wise Ukrainian proverb: " God forbid, swine, that horns "...

[Avior]

Something you have some kind of porridge.
Perry was created for ocean escort purposes. It is clear that Ukraine is clearly not needed.

you have already "marked" the desire to heap the anti-ship missile belay on the shell ...

you would get to know the subject of conversation, since they wedged into someone else's discussion
In Ukraine, they constantly talk about a mosquito fleet, in fact, different and unrealistic, there is definitely no money for this.
Island boats - displacement of 170 tons
Permissible weight of weapons and equipment is 10 tons.
Theoretically, they completely allow their transformation into missile boats.
For comparison
Missile boats
project 183- 70 tons
project 205- 184 tons
project 206 tons
saar-3 220 tons

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

Something you have some kind of porridge.

I have ? And along the way, you ... I asked you simple question :

Quote: Insurgent

you have already "noted" the desire to heap anti-ship missiles on the shell ...
I wonder for what purpose? "Defense Defenses", or you intend to sink ships"аХspring"Attack the Crimean Bridge?

In response, you started to say something about the performance characteristics:

Quote: Avior

Permissible weight of weapons and equipment is 10 tons.
Theoretically, they completely allow their transformation into missile boats.

Can this be called a direct answer?

But this (quote) is generally beyond the bounds, because I have not seen in the VO rules (I had to reread) that comments are some kind of closed, personal space, "their"Or"a stranger".

Quote: Avior

you would get to know the subject of conversation, once in someone else's discussion wedged in

[Avior]

I did not discuss the issue with you

I have ? And along the way, you have ... I asked you a simple question:
Quote: Insurgent
you have already "noted" the desire to heap anti-ship missiles on the shell ...

I wonder for what purpose? "Zmitsniti defenders zagali", or do you intend to sink the ships of the "AHressor", attack the Crimean bridge?

I softly wrote that porridge.
But actually it was necessary to honestly say that you distorted my words.
and if it’s even more honest, it’s simply misinterpreted.
I did not express any desire.
And now you demand that I give you an answer for what you misinterpreted.

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

it's you in vain, the ship is not bad for its purposes,

Yes, no, unsuccessful, due to the unsuccessful location and nomenclature of weapons.
And somehow everyone forgot about the Priluki RTOs ...

Back in Soviet times, one of his "sister-ship" was converted to fit the X-35

[Avior]

Perry, first of all, PLO, in the Atlantic convoys, the Americans did not face anything else. And with this he was fine, the rest was auxiliary.
But the problem of convoys disappeared suddenly, and the frigate became unnecessary
And about Priluki, it was 1979, in 1996 it was withdrawn from the fleet, then Ukraine turned it on again. Very old, for a boat over 40 years, many.
The conversation was about what Neptune to put on it, maybe, as an experimental use.
if you don’t drown from old age when remaking

[strannik1985]

Back in Soviet times, one of his "sister-ship" was converted to fit the X-35

It makes no sense, without a strong air defense, such boats are not residents, it is easier to develop from the coast or an aviation version.

[Avior]

Without aviation and air defense and coastal not tenants with a serious enemy.
But the boats still do not go far from the coast.
So there is not much difference.

[strannik1985]

So there is not much difference.

Masking is easier.

[Avior]

sometimes it’s masked and it’s not necessary to identify the threat in some limited incidents, for example.
I simply don’t believe in big war and full-fledged military operations and other such resources.

[strannik1985]

As an option, but in my opinion a little bit more, "Neptune" is only being tested. For power pressure, you can choose a cheaper one - a cannon / KKP / ATGM.

[Avior]

I don’t think there will be many of them
and it is doubtful that someone really expects them to conduct military operations, and even more so to shoot at the bridge or at Novorossiysk, as I read here yesterday, this is complete nonsense.
And RCC, of ​​course, is a more powerful means of pressure in conflicts during the arrest of a ship, for example, and the like.

[navigator]

This is a Coast Guard boat. What escort, what convoys?

[Avior]

Take a closer look
It was about the frigates Oliver Perry, about whom there was also a rumor about the transfer to Ukraine.

[navigator]

So I misunderstood.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

And there isn’t much sense in these frigates ... it is not for nothing that the Americans sent them so quickly to resign, they are unsuccessful.

They were sent to the reserve and then written off / for sale, because there were no goals left for them - the Soviet submarine fleet and MRA died. Plus, the struggle for cost savings began, and even the creators of LCS promised that the new ship will be able to fulfill the tasks of the FR. As a result, the fleet made a rash (as it turned out later) decision on the uselessness of specialized frigates for the USN.

[venik]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine simply has no other options to put anti-ship missiles on ships

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And they have anti-ship missiles ??? About the "sufferer" of "Neptune" - I'm not talking at all: it is still not clear whether they will be able to establish serial production (taking into account economic and technological realities modern Ukraine), or this "miracle of technology" will remain in single copies ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Avior

That is, the total weight of 4 missiles 6-8 tons, it turns out

And all this load on the stern? Yes, he will turn into a submarine, though missile.

Moreover, with a vertical immersion method. And who knows what other problems these old troughs created for the Black Sea Fleet?

[Cyril G ...]

Yes, no. Attention! There were 2 P-15M missiles weighing 2600 kg each, there were 8 rockets of 600 kg each. I don’t remember how much PU weigh. And it doesn’t matter. It turned out to weigh 5200 and 4800 kg ... So more or less everything hits ..

[Rzzz]

The position of the metacentre is determined by the geometry of the hull. May vary slightly with changing load on the vessel, i.e. when changing its landing in water and changing moments of inertia. And if the metacentre becomes higher, then this is definitely good (with some reservations, which do not apply to the meaning of what is written in this case).

[svp67]

Quote: rzzz

The position of the metacentre is determined by the geometry of the hull.

Yes. Now imagine that missile containers were placed above it on deck ... That is, the metacentre will rise, which will reduce the seaworthiness of this ship

[assayor]

Not. The center of gravity rises and the metacentric height decreases. The metacentre will remain in place.

[Rzzz]

In fact, the metacentre will also move slightly due to the fact that the ship sits a little deeper into the water, the geometry of the submerged part of the hull changes. But definitely not say up / down, and there is such a miserable movement that you can not really count.

[hohol95]

And what do they even armed these boats with?
What kind of "terrible" gun mount is shown?

[Marconi41]

Quote: hohol95

And what do they even armed these boats with?
What kind of "terrible" gun mount is shown?

Junk 2M3 in my opinion.

[hohol95]

2M3 twin tower unit. And this is a "pseudo-copy" of the bushmother.

[Cyril G ...]

Have ukrov homemade. One barrel taken from 2M3M is bolted to a home-made installation, an unlicensed Bushmaster pseudocopy of t.s.

[DeKo]

Here is Ukraine. Burns and drowns. And stinks

[Li17]

I’m talking to my friends and colleagues and am surprised. This is carried !!!! I’m starting to delve into what kind of super weapon you have there, slogans about freedom, independence and ... our GDP begin, which does not allow them to develop in this direction! So I’m not surprised that the main caliber will be the yellow-black flag and broadcast of the anthem independent, while this trough will go to the ram ... The main thing is that the filmmakers should shoot!

[bar]

I wonder why ukrovoinam camouflage on a boat?

[The leader of the Redskins]

As you can see, the crew members of the boat can not always pick up Ukrainian words when telling about the exercises - sometimes they have to be in Russian ...
Here the author generally dokanal me ...
For six years they have been repeating in VO that the conflict in Donbass began because of the draconian laws against the Russian language, that in Kiev they beat and make you jump for a word in "non-native", but here on you! The Russian-speaking was taken to the fleet!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

For six years they have been repeating in VO that the conflict in Donbass began because of the draconian laws against the Russian language, that in Kiev they beat and make you jump for a word in "non-native", but here on you! The Russian-speaking was taken to the fleet!

Are you trying to justify the “absurdity of war” in the SE on the example of the “language issue” (“little things”, or rather one of the many that led to the beginning and escalation of the conflict)?

Then what prevents you from developing the topic further and not claiming that the use of the APU in the Donbass was initially illegal and is a crime on the part of the authorities of the outskirts?

Russian speaking?
When was it an obstacle to a normal existence on the outskirts (and not only), if a native speaker is a native of nationalist and other radical ideas?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Rewind comments six years ago, read and ask again the question of Russian-speaking.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Rewind comments six years ago, read and ask again the question of Russian-speaking.

I, as a direct witness and participant in all the processes in Donbass, from the moment of birth, do not need to "unwind" anything.

For me, the criminality of the sequence of actions of the Outskirts regimes from the moment it acquired "independence" in 1991 is obvious, in relation to its own population of Donbass, now fortunately the former part of the ex-independent.

Your attempts, thus washing the black dog, cannot be successful, due to its obvious scallop ...

[Thrifty]

Since he swims and does not walk on the water surface, so they should be called in the uk-roine "naval floaters"!

[Angelo Provolone]

Let us take away and give Ukraine Chubais and Medvedev to Ukraine. They have little innovation there ...

[Victorio]

in the photo and video crew in balaclava, what is the point of using them?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Victorio

“It burns and drowns”: a former American boat of the Navy “Starobelsk” entered into battle with a conditional enemy

“It burns and drowns”: a former American boat of the Navy “Starobelsk” entered into battle with a conditional enemy

- and if so, then in the American manner, on a combat alert, you need to get pulled on Protective Face Shield FROG - non-combustible balaclava ...

[Victorio]

Quote: Insurgent

Protective Face Shield FROG - non-combustible balaclava ...

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probably it is, the British are white, and as an indispensable element of the form on duty / duty

[Eug]

It seems that this is an element of light-diving equipment for work in flooded compartments.

[113262a]

It came with a trough in the kit! Remember the movie Sea battle, there is a pind ... Americans are running around in such a ship! Gunners have helmets there!

[Insurgent]

Quote: 113262

It came with a trough in the kit!

But the most noticeable thing is that the ukrovoenmor put on a balaclava (protecting his confusion from the effects of the flame), dressed in incomprehensible (civilian?) Clothes "alarming red"...

Well, what's wrong ...

[Revolver]

Excuse me, but how could they make holes for themselves below the waterline, and even with a fire? Well, how should I try?

[Avior]

The usual set of exercises is fire, artillery, and the struggle for survivability.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Nagan

Excuse me, but how could they make holes for themselves below the waterline, and even with a fire? Well, how should I try?

In fact, this is a common practice when practicing course tasks. Exactly the same issues (fire, struggle with water,) are being worked out by Russian ships.

[Revolver]

Those. there were no holes and fire in fact, but merely gave introductory exercises. Thank you, admonished.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It is necessary to get to such a state of the fleet! Of course, I’m always ironic over the forelocks, but now, seeing this video, I just feel sorry for them .. An unfortunate clogged country .. Degradation below the level of Gabon ...

[vladimych]

Commander Krivoruchko, this is epic.

[Region-25.rus]

hmmmmm ... a cannon (!) with manual (!) guidance in the 21st century !! ?? Well this is a subject of pride! Yes, yes!

[Avior]

Backwardness - she is so

[rotmistr60]

commander of a patrol boat senior lieutenant of the Navy APU Pavel Gladchenko

If in the photo in red it is not clear that the boat commander is also a bachelor, then we can conclude that fat is eaten in excess and they have long forgotten about physical training.

"The crew confirmed the readiness of the boat to perform both a single voyage and to conduct combat."

There is no doubt about a solo voyage, because. It is difficult to assemble a "pack of wolves" about which Ukrainian strategists have spoken so much, but the conduct of the battle is probably until the first shot.

[Mongoose]

Very surprised)) in all respects should not have drowned

[Prisoner]

"The Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tells about the legend of the exercises: the boat" Starobelsk "was forced to engage in an artillery battle with enemy ships and air assets ..." What the hell is a fight? In this situation, it is necessary to send SMSki to relatives that if everything goes well, then by the evening you will be captured.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Also, actions to "repel the attack of divers-saboteurs." - Buryats?

[kris_67]

Rave! “And it burns and drowns in the event of a battle with both ships and helicopters” - name at least one ship that does not burn and does not sink?

[Staffa1976]

I read the comments. I understand that anti-Ukrainian sentiments are stronger than ever. But if we discard politics, then what will we see ?! At its core, the Ukrainian and Russian Charters are the same. And all that is shown is just the completion of task K-2. Exactly the same are carried out on Russian ships. Therefore, I do not see anything funny or remarkable. Conventional exercises on a not entirely new ship as part of a not completely worked out and close-knit crew.

[DominickS]

Quote: Avior

RCC theoretically possible on these boats
I wonder if they will bet or not?

The ship will be disposable, as will the crew.

[navigator]

What is the conversation about? These boats are used by the Coast Guard. They were chased into the tail and into the mane, and after the write-off they began to sell them to the "partners". I'm wondering: in what system of measures are these boats built? If in an inch, then Ukraine has acquired a significant crap. And as for their modernization, even the Americans succeeded in it. They tried to upgrade several of them, and the case ended with their complete write-off, due to problems with the strength of the hulls.

[Avior]

They tried to increase them, so the problem arose
Normal boats

[navigator]

normal, but age-related. In general, I came across infa that all Icelandic buildings of the 80s of construction had problems with the hull (I will not vouch for the authenticity of this). But the question with the measurement system remains open. I have not seen anything about this. It is logical to assume that, since they were built in the USA and for the USA, the measurement system is inch. And this, you see, results in a bunch of problems.

[navigator]

Quote: Staffa1976

I read the comments. I understand that anti-Ukrainian sentiments are stronger than ever. But if we discard politics, then what will we see ?! At its core, the Ukrainian and Russian Charters are the same. And all that is shown is just the completion of task K-2. Exactly the same are carried out on Russian ships. Therefore, I do not see anything funny or remarkable. Conventional exercises on a not entirely new ship as part of a not completely worked out and close-knit crew.

Not entirely new - to say the least. For such boats, more than 30 years is a respectable age. And believe me, this is without irony and without reference to Russian-Ukrainian relations.