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Xerox Corvette

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On June 18, 2020, an ordinary event took place at the PLA naval base in Xiamen: the ceremony of introducing a new corvette of project 056A Jingdezhen to the PLA Navy (tail number 617).


Information about this really went casually. Well, what’s wrong, another corvette got into operation. Is not it?

Unfortunately, this is so. There are countries where launching a diving boat is already an event of the first magnitude, and somewhere corvette is commonplace. Especially if from the beginning of this year alone, No. 617 is the ninth in a row. A total of 57 PLA project 056 corvettes are in service at the PLA Navy.

If compared with ours fleet, then by the number we have so many anti-sabotage boats. But this, you see, is a slightly different class of ship than a corvette.

The Chinese fleet today is the fastest growing fleet on our planet ... Twenty years ago, such a statement would have caused laughter, but alas, the modern reality is that.


The Chinese were able to do what few countries could: put the construction of warships on stream. It really is in stories few have committed. What became the “fault” here, a rational approach, a planned socialist economy, a huge number of workers, is not so important.

And now far from all can be called the contemptuous term “Chinese Xerox”.

Although there are a lot of Chinese corvettes from the Soviet school. When creating their ships, the Chinese used a lot of what the Soviet Union provided. Specifically, there are a lot of corvettes from Soviet small missile ships, only the corvettes came out pretty much larger than their predecessors.


Is it worth comparing Chinese corvettes, for example, with Russian? It seems that we are not even rivals in any region. And in the Pacific Ocean, and even more so, our Pacific Fleet is in no way a competitor to the Chinese fleet. Neither in the number of ships, nor in quality.

However, it makes sense to compare. Despite the fact that the Chinese have been actively extracting technologies and models of technology around the world for the past twenty years, they have actually created their own design school, which is confirmed by Project 056 corvette. We are simply silent about shipbuilding, because only the Americans are really more powerful. Until.

Our project 20385 ship will be the subject of comparison.


Yes, they were built not so much as the Chinese, but here it is clear, on the one hand, we do not have such opportunities as in China, on the other hand, the project 20380 is more impressive than 056, and not only in size. Although in size, too.

The total displacement of 20380/056 is 1300/2430 tons.

Still, the increased in size missile boat is not a full corvette yet. Although the German Braunschweig has a displacement of 1840 tons, which is also smaller than ours, it is not so critical.

The Russian ship is 10 meters longer, 2 meters wider, and the draft is also greater.

Speed ​​data is approximately equal, 056 is faster by 1 knot, the economical move is also higher, 18 knots versus 14.

Our ship has 4000 miles in range against 3500 for the Chinese.

Crew: 60 people on a Chinese ship and 100 on a Russian one.

But further serious differences begin. And immediately it becomes clear that the difference in displacement and the number of crew gives its advantages.

The Chinese equipped their corvette rather modestly in terms of radar equipment. Survey radar type 364 and fire control radar - type 347 (guidance missiles HQ-10). The Russian ship is richer: Furke-2, Monument-A, MP-231 and Pal-N.

Hydroacoustic equipment is approximately equal, active and passive towed hydro-acoustic systems, there are also internal keel sonars.

Artillery weapons. The Russian ship has a 100 mm gun, and the Chinese ship has a 76 mm copy of the AK-176. Then you can not comment.

The anti-aircraft artillery of the Chinese ship consists of two 30-mm H / PJ-17 anti-aircraft guns, ours also has two AK-630Ms. Preferred looks Russian weapon.

Project 056 anti-aircraft missiles are very, very good. This is the HQ-10 SAM, the Chinese version of the RAM SAM (RIM-116). A very effective complex, the only negative is a small (8 pcs.) Stock of missiles. We have the Redut air defense system, a completely modern and high-quality complex.

The main missile weapons. The Chinese ship is armed with 4 YJ-83 missiles.


Range: 120 km. Speed: subsonic and supersonic (not a fact, there are doubts about this) at the end of the flight. The Russian ship is armed with Onyx or Zircons, which can be launched from the UKKS system. But since the Zircon in terms of launch is comparable with the Caliber, it means that these corvettes can operate with the original Caliber, which is much more serious than the Chinese. And the Russian ship has 8 missiles.

Torpedo weapons. The Chinese corvette has two three-pipe torpedo tubes 324 mm, the Russian two four-pipe caliber 330 mm.

Of course, the Russian ship looks uniquely stronger, but 2 ships against 57 are not a very nice comparison. Not in terms of a hypothetical confrontation, but in terms of the release of such ships.

However, we are saying that the Project 065 corvette, which is a continuation of the Project 037 missile boat project, is a very interesting ship.


In fact, it is a multi-functional ship, suitable for both patrol and anti-submarine operations, and has good anti-ship weapons. Anti-submarine weapons were significantly strengthened in the ships of Project 056A, which generally transferred the corvette to the category of good full-fledged universal ships.

And despite the fact that the ship has also disadvantages, such as the lack of a hangar for a helicopter. There is a platform, that is, the use of a helicopter is possible, but permanent basing is not provided. And this weakens the functions of anti-submarine defense and reconnaissance capabilities of the ship.

But the main advantages of the project 056 corvette are its low cost and manufacturability, which made it possible to establish the release of the corvette in a series that inspires respect.


And the ship itself fully meets the requirements of today for a patrol ship, the main task of which is the protection of territorial waters. 056 will cope with this work, moreover, ships of this class will be able to eliminate the possibility of a more serious threat.

In any case, there is a case where the “Xerox” proved to be very useful in ensuring state security. And the PRC shows this very well.


Afterword. The error that the Caliber can be fired from the Uranus launcher was fixed. I admit, I apologize.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 June 2020 18: 18 New
    +9
    project 20380 is more impressive than 056, and not only in size. Although in size, too.
    The total displacement of 20380/056 is 1300/2430 tons.
    Not understood..... request
    1. Borik
      Borik 23 June 2020 18: 33 New
      17
      Yes, the author is a bit confused. 20380 water has a total of 2200t. it is at 23085 - 2430 tons and the 100mm gun is not 130mm It should be fixed. But here it is not enough of them - there are not enough corvettes - so let's hope that they will be laid a couple more dozen, and it is desirable to have exactly the 85s.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 23 June 2020 23: 08 New
        -5
        why do we need dozens? even if there are hundreds of them, they will still be isolated in our closed seas and destroyed or disabled or withdrawn from the borders of the theater of operations (they will remain within the borders of the theater of war but will go beyond the borders of the theater of military operations). In China, everything is exactly the opposite, on the contrary, they have "one water area" (in quotation marks) elongated in different directions and divided into dangerous areas, directions, therefore their influence of "quantity" on "efficiency" is orders of magnitude more significant than ours. ..
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 24 June 2020 18: 03 New
          +1
          well-deserved cons - focus on the sacred, I also get 70 tons for aircraft carriers ..........
          steppes and swamps are not measured, but forum users want to be "mistress of the sea"
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 25 June 2020 13: 47 New
            +2
            Another thing amuses me, so then I also am for the fleet and I also want the Russian Federation to be the "mistress of the seas and oceans" and for aircraft carriers including 100 + ct but where does dominion and corvettes in enclosed seas? why no one answers the question? Why, for example, at the World Cup dozens / hundreds of corvettes? for the submarine (nuclear submarine \ diesel electric submarine) there are tasks, for the aircraft carriers \ UDC there are tasks, and without them these tasks are orders of magnitude more difficult, but why the hell are the corvettes? All of their tasks today are covered by ground and aviation forces as part of the Navy, of course, not by themselves, but with infrastructure support.
            Yes, even if you forget about all the new technologies created since WWII \ HV, and focus only and only on ships, why the heck dozens / hundreds of corvettes if even from overweight corvettes (under-frigates / under-destroyers with equipment from corvettes) will be an order of magnitude more useful, at least they are suitable for long-distance transitions. including between our western and eastern seas.
            1. Sckepsis
              Sckepsis 1 July 2020 22: 22 New
              0

              why no one answers the question? Why, for example, at the World Cup dozens / hundreds of corvettes?

              Not hundreds, of course, but corvettes are primarily PLO bases, exits from them, water areas, which we consider our own. So that the submarine lives peacefully, so that sudden minefields do not happen. Well, you get the point.
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 2 July 2020 02: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Sckepsis
                but corvettes are primarily PLO bases

                This is the problem, it sounds like a “cap instead of brains,” and no, I personally do not insult you, I just voice the error in the analysis of the available information, this is when they think with military propaganda slogans, and not with my own brains. Today, corvettes in the PLO are not needed at all, because there is infrastructure around bases with submarine wire HACs, drones with HACs, and helicopters with HACs, but even where ships are more efficient, corvettes are still not needed because their functions are performed by frigates, destroyers and their "under- *" version. And this is when using those technologies that have already been developed for decades.
      2. Kalmar
        Kalmar 24 June 2020 00: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Borik
        hope that a couple of dozen of them will be laid down, and it’s desirable to have exactly the 85s

        85x will be only two pieces. Only weird 20386 will do next.
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  2. Asad
    Asad 23 June 2020 18: 19 New
    18
    But our children are beautiful!
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 24 June 2020 03: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: ASAD
      But our children are beautiful!
      yeah, it turns out everything that is not done by hand !!!
  3. ares1988
    ares1988 23 June 2020 18: 19 New
    13
    Can you launch Onyx from Uranus launchers ???
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 24 June 2020 00: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: ares1988
      Can you launch Onyx from Uranus launchers ???

      Of course, the “Mace" at the same time)) It seems that the author mixed 20380 and 20385 in a heap. And at the same time, he "sketched" a 22350-mm gun with 130. And suddenly torpedoes 330 mm steel (everywhere declared as 324).
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 June 2020 18: 19 New
    -1
    While photocopying looks more attractive ....
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 23 June 2020 20: 08 New
      +8
      In our country, photocopying is precisely the industry that cannot, in the broadest sense of the word. Starting from the fact that in our country there is no money for such shipbuilding capacities and the volume of naval orders. The Chinese, nevertheless, have a larger budget and plus their military shipbuilding program is pretty much supported by the most powerful civilian shipbuilding industry, which fulfills almost half of all world orders for the construction of civilian ships.
  5. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 23 June 2020 18: 21 New
    +2
    Russia is harder in this matter. 4 fleets isolated from each other, each of which is super important.
    Well, you need to stop building ships for the Indies and Algerians. When the country's Navy is in crisis, there can be no talk of this.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 24 June 2020 00: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Well, you need to stop building ships for the Indies and Algerians.

      There is concern that this could lead to the cessation of the construction of ships in general.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 24 June 2020 18: 08 New
        +1
        I’m glad I will if they build the density of highways with a grid of 30 km, and you: drown in a nuclear war somewhere in the Caribbean and the Mediterranean Seas 20 frigates of the Baltic, North and Black Sea Fleets and aircraft carriers, 7 pieces
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 24 June 2020 21: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: antivirus
          I’m glad I will if they build the density of highways with a grid of 30 km,

          Hmm, dreams ... Asphalt the whole of France, and in the continental climate ... It’s easier to boil the South Coast of the Arctic Ocean and set up resorts.
  6. Odysseus
    Odysseus 23 June 2020 18: 28 New
    17
    The author was a little mistaken. For this year they took not 9, but already 11 new corvettes smile So the "Chinese Xerox" is even faster. In general, my opinion, it’s been correctly noted that 056 is a very successful ship in terms of price / quality ratio. But the comparison with our ships is not entirely correct.
    The author himself correctly noted that now comparing the fleets of the PRC and the Russian Federation is pointless. The Chinese fleet needs to be compared with its enemy No. 1 with the US fleet. And plus with their satellites. And here the Chinese still have a lot of problems. However, they don’t lift their nose. As for 056, it goes on to replace the IPC type 037 and clearly increases the capabilities of the PRC fleet both in anti-submarine defense and in solving a number of other tasks.
    Our ships, however, need to be assessed as part of the objectives of our fleet for the defense and support of the SSBN's activities. In my opinion, our main problem is that we get “white elephants”. Miscellaneous ships each with their own unique composition of weapons and characteristics. It is not clear where the Zircons from 20380 come from. The EMNIP is X-35 there, and the zircons are not adopted at all.
  7. makmak
    makmak 23 June 2020 18: 36 New
    +4
    The Russian ship is armed with Onyx or Zircons, which can be launched from the Uran UCC system. But since the Zircon in terms of launch is comparable to the Caliber, then these corvettes can operate with the original Caliber,
    Where is it from? But what about 20385?
  8. Poetry
    Poetry 23 June 2020 18: 41 New
    -1
    The Chinese, they are anyone: artisans, traders, negotiators, gymnasts, karate, but not Warriors. Mark my words.
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 June 2020 23: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      The Chinese, they are anyone: artisans, traders, negotiators, gymnasts, karate, but not Warriors. Mark my words.

      After World War II, the whole history of China is a continuous series of wars and military conflicts. Just few people know about it. So they have rich experience
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 23 June 2020 23: 59 New
        -2
        The Vietnamese fought back. They did not dare to attack the Mongols, although the SA insured them. As for Korea, there were big casualties. In short, not the Red Army. Where else?..
        1. unknown
          unknown 24 June 2020 02: 22 New
          -1
          In the war with Vietnam, the Chinese achieved all their goals.
          And do not forget that in Afghanistan, our main opponent was China.
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 24 June 2020 02: 47 New
            -1
            Mujahideen-Chinese fought in Afghanistan? I have not heard of this. But with the wrong hands, yes, in their style. Well, of course, there were a lot of Chinese weapons. But I did not write about that. I wrote about personal fighting qualities. Their qualities are cunning, meanness and pretense. I know what I'm writing about. Sincerely.
            1. unknown
              unknown 28 June 2020 07: 21 New
              +1
              Amin was a Maoist.
              Behind Pakistan was China.
        2. Grits
          Grits 24 June 2020 06: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Poetiszaugla
          Where else?..

          Immediately after the war, they had civil rubilovo - the Communists against the Kuomintang. In India, 3 times fought. With Vietnam, with someone there in the Southeast - either with Burma, or with Thailand. But Damansky do not forget
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 24 June 2020 09: 31 New
            +1
            The Japanese slaughtered them like pigs for 12 years with a small number, until ours came and defeated the Japanese in 12 days. And Damansky? To please America, we were ready for war. True, came under the Grad. "Slightly beaten.
            1. Grits
              Grits 24 June 2020 14: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Poetiszaugla
              The Japanese slaughtered them like pigs in 12 years

              Here, yes, there is one. The Japanese were very good warriors. In any case, abruptly the Chinese.
      2. unknown
        unknown 24 June 2020 02: 19 New
        0
        The history of China is a continuous series of wars and conflicts beginning with the "opium wars."
  9. donavi49
    donavi49 23 June 2020 18: 43 New
    13
    The Russian ship has a 130 mm gun, and the Chinese ship has a 76 mm copy of the AK-176. Then you can not comment.


    In the Russian 100mm is permissible. The Chinese have interesting shells that they stole from the melar and adapted. The A-190 has a land mine, a PB, and that’s it.

    A very effective complex, the only negative is a small (8 pcs.) Stock of missiles. We have the Redut air defense system, a completely modern and high-quality complex.


    Yes and no. Different approaches to architecture, the Chinese have a classic non-zero opposition. That is, the enemy needs to allocate an outfit of forces and lay resistance / loss. Yes, this is a simple complex of near radius, which is slightly better. However, more is not required. In which case, these corvettes will act in groups with frigates 054A where there are 32 Calm, or even the destroyer 052D in the cover.


    20380 - do not have such luxury and must fight on their own or in a small group, against very superior forces and striking means.

    Speed: subsonic and supersonic (not a fact, there are doubts about this) at the end of the flight. The Russian ship is armed with Onyx or Zircons, which can be launched from the Uran ukraine system. But since the Zircon in terms of launch is comparable with the Caliber, it means that these corvettes can operate with the original Caliber, which is much more serious than the Chinese. And the Russian ship has 8 missiles


    Again wrong. These exoset-like missiles will be on the corvettes (although there is a modernization on the YJ-18 - the Chinese caliber with minor modifications, but it is used in destroyers of the 00s that are undergoing major modernization).

    But Uranus stands at 20380 and there are no Onyx / Caliber / Zircons there. Here is the most modern ship with a new mast and radar, under Uranus in the center of the ship. Uranus and Chinese Exoset are rockets of the same class. Therefore, only twice as much ammunition.


    20385 gauges and stuff - there will be only 2 of them. Thundering and Agile. Then 20386 with Uranus again, without UKKS.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 23 June 2020 20: 03 New
      +2
      hi 056 - the replacement of the mass of watchdogs, which China riveted in 60-80, when there was already industrial potential, and there was no ambition for the ocean fleet yet. The ships, made often on the technology of the 40s, did not have any combat value, they were suitable solely for the role of self-propelled targets. However, it was these ships that became the manger of the Chinese fleet. There is no sense for China in 056 today. But sentimentality is inherent not only to people, but also to countries.
      Our 20380-20385 is a sample of cooking porridge from an ax, that is, a frigate from the IPC with SCRC. 20380 is a Baltic pocket frigate. There is no sense for us in its present form today either, it is necessary to increase the displacement of another tons by 1000-1500 and make a normal modern frigate.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 24 June 2020 00: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        20380 is a Baltic pocket frigate. There is no sense for us in its present form either

        In theory, it can be useful in the Black Sea - to contain Turkey. There is no need to crush aircraft carriers there, so a relatively inexpensive corvette with inexpensive weapons (the cost of Uranus is much lower than Onyx) can be very helpful.

        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        it is necessary to increase the displacement of another tons by 1000-1500 and make a normal modern frigate.

        20386 is trying to go some such expensive way (in any case, it pretends), but here the cost rises sharply. And why do we need another frigate when there are already 22350? You need something cheap and massive.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 24 June 2020 03: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Our 20380-20385 is a sample of cooking porridge from an ax, that is, a frigate from the IPC with SCRC. 20380 is a Baltic pocket frigate.
        both good and biting !!
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        There is no sense for us in its present form either,
        absolutely right !!. He was originally "disfigured by overpricing", because of a ride, put Redoubt there without Polement (which gave an overly expensive price for the corvette, with no chance to reveal the potential of missiles at long ranges !!). They would do it immediately under Calm-1, and project 20380 would have much greater prospects, and for less money (!) yes
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        it is necessary to increase the displacement of another tons by 1000-1500 and make a normal modern frigate.
        those. go closer to pr. 12441 Thunder, but do they need a new power plant?!. And for it, most likely, 16SD-500 (in 10000 hp) is needed, which will not be put into serial production like ?! . request
        Quote: donavi49
        20380 - do not have such luxury and must fight on their own or in a small group, against very superior forces and striking means.

        I wonder what ?! 12 "Redoubt" cells?!, Without a normal target designation system for them?! ... belay
        Quote: Kalmar
        You need something cheap and massive.
        maybe 11664 on a power plant from 20380?!
        Quote: Kalmar
        Quote: donavi49
        Then 20386 with Uranus again, without UKKS.

        Not really. Rumor has it that a module with four UKKSK cells can be mounted on it. At least theoretically.
        and take part in a theoretical war - with theoretical weapons ?! Then probably a theoretical enemy, - will be theoretically defeated !!! recourse
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 24 June 2020 11: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          I wonder what ?! 12 "Redoubt" cells?!, Without a normal target designation system?!.

          In my understanding of anti-aircraft defense, a corvette needs to shrug off some, say, random threats: single attack aircraft / helicopters. In the presence of enemy aircraft in significant quantities, corvettes must act under the guise of someone more powerful (22350, for example).

          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          maybe 11664 on a power plant from 20380?!

          As an option. It depends on what comes out of the price, again.

          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          to take part in a theoretical war - with theoretical weapons ?!

          Well, this is not the first time for us. How many of us have such "unparalleled in the world" adaptations in service seem to be there, but in fact they don’t)) But seriously, 20386 really looks rather awkward.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 24 June 2020 00: 22 New
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Then 20386 with Uranus again, without UKKS.

      Not really. Rumor has it that a module with four UKKSK cells can be mounted on it. At least theoretically.
  10. IC
    IC 23 June 2020 19: 10 New
    +2
    The level of Chinese and Russian shipbuilding are two incomparable things. Except Sevmash.
    Therefore, riveting the hulls of ships and making equipment for them is not particularly difficult. Same as for Japan and South Korea. Not to mention the financial factor.
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 23 June 2020 19: 12 New
    +3
    Shipbuilding in China is proceeding at a fast pace, I did not have to go on PLA warships, but I had to go to Chinese-built civilian ships 15-10 years ago. In appearance, the vessels are not bad, but the quality is poor. Welding seams differ from European ones not for the better, interior and living quarters are made to a minimum, no amenities, metal is cheap plastic, even a bridge, location is excellent, but everything is to a minimum, but on ships purchased by western companies all navigation equipment is either Japanese or European (made in China). But the engine room is a problem, everything is Made in China, in a couple of months everything flies. Although cheap. Of course, the Navy has other standards, and time passes. And Japanese women with loins are not the best option, even with the last years of the USSR there is no comparison.
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 30 August 2020 15: 02 New
      0
      Back in the late 80s, no one thought that South Korea would bypass Japan in shipbuilding. I went around. At first, too, Korean ships could be described approximately as you described above the Chinese ones 10 years ago, maybe a little softer. The difference with the Japanese was noticeable. For 10 years, the Koreans made a qualitative and quantitative leap and at the end of the 90s made a real competition to the same Japanese, and then thoroughly pressed them out. The Chinese are also growing and developing very quickly!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 August 2020 18: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Seaflame
        For 10 years, the Koreans made a qualitative and quantitative leap and at the end of the 90s made a real competition to the same Japanese, and then thoroughly pressed them out.

        South Korean shipyards are now among the top five in the world.
  12. Kostya Lavinyukov
    Kostya Lavinyukov 23 June 2020 20: 15 New
    0
    It seems that the question: “Why not put a dozen more launchers for RCC?” Will torment me until the end of time.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 23 June 2020 22: 18 New
      0
      The question is where to put it? Or how to put? Where is the problem. And how - a technically resolved issue.
      1. Kostya Lavinyukov
        Kostya Lavinyukov 24 June 2020 01: 33 New
        0
        The question is rather: "Why didn’t they immediately add more missiles to TK?"
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 23 June 2020 20: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    In our country, photocopying is precisely the industry that cannot, in the broadest sense of the word. Starting from the fact that in our country there is no money for such shipbuilding capacities and the volume of naval orders.
    And where did they go, fellow countryman? belay hi
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    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 24 June 2020 22: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      And where did they go, fellow countryman?

      Gone on the bridges. Many bridges (not only Crimean).
  14. Fishery
    Fishery 23 June 2020 20: 35 New
    +4
    or I missed or forgot to mention that the production time is about 7 weeks for this corvette)))) there is something to envy
  15. Eug
    Eug 23 June 2020 20: 37 New
    +2
    It seems that 056 is a very suitable ship to replace the well-deserved 1124M.
  16. Tests
    Tests 23 June 2020 20: 58 New
    0
    IMS (IMS), dear, is not at all the topic of the article, but the Chinese Navy, if I’m not mistaken, made 12 diesels. Moreover, the Chinese comrades visited the Red Sormovo, the Admiralty Shipyards, and Sevmash. I will not be surprised at all if the Chinese comrades “turn on the Xerox” on DEPL as soon as they do
    its analogue CLUB-S.
  17. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 23 June 2020 21: 27 New
    -4
    Apart from errors in the text and numbers, it is a completely robust, calm analytical article.
  18. Oleg Kaspersky
    Oleg Kaspersky 23 June 2020 21: 41 New
    0
    The Russian ship is armed with Onyx or Zircons, which can be launched from the Uran Uranus system

    it's like?
  19. Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 June 2020 21: 54 New
    +4
    The Chinese corvette is good for two reasons: mass and simplicity. It does not shine with technology and weapons, but this is not required of the corvette. Worker "donkey" of the maritime theater (not ocean). Our corvette is certainly solid, harsh and powerful. Manufacturability and almost frigate's set of weapons. This cross-breeding turned out. But such ships are piece. Hopes that 20385 will be built dozens absolutely utopian, not build. Expensive and long. Shove the frigate into the corvette almost worked out. What for?
    The fleet needs a lot of simple and reliable 1500 tons of ships with a standard set of weapons (without onyx and zircons), but the ability to search and put mines
    they must have.
  20. Alexey Petrovichev
    Alexey Petrovichev 24 June 2020 05: 06 New
    +1
    Just we would need such corvettes 056 for a plane. Our 20380 attempt to squeeze a frigate into the displacement of a corvette. Question to the author: how can all kinds of missiles be fired from uranium?
  21. Bez 310
    Bez 310 24 June 2020 07: 17 New
    0
    The author raves about our ships, but the Chinese are well done!
    We can’t even hope for such a pace of construction of the Navy.
  22. prior
    prior 24 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +1
    In order to be, it is necessary to build, rather than scribble articles ...
    Build factories, build corvettes.
    The case is small, here are a few articles in the constitution that we will correct (especially about gays), and then WHILE ....
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  24. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 24 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +1
    Before publication, the author should “subtract” and “fix” the text. What are the "Zircons" and "Caliber" of the PC "Uranus"? What 130 mm gun on 20380? Careful need.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 15: 17 New
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    Quote: prior
    In order to be, it is necessary to build, rather than scribble articles ...
    Build factories, build corvettes.
    The case is small, here are a few articles in the constitution that we will correct (especially about gays), and then WHILE ....

    Respect!
    laughing wassat good good good drinks hi
  26. seos
    seos 24 June 2020 16: 24 New
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    The Russian ship is armed with Onyx or Zircons, which can be launched from the Uran ukraine system. But since "Zircon" in terms of launch is comparable to "Caliber" ..... - The author confirms his last name ....
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  28. Usher
    Usher 24 June 2020 21: 04 New
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    About twenty years ago, such a statement would have caused laughter, but alas, modern reality is like that.
    why alas? Vota if they would write about it, it would be normal.
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 24 June 2020 23: 13 New
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    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    In our country, photocopying is precisely the industry that cannot, in the broadest sense of the word. Starting from the fact that in our country there is no money for such shipbuilding capacities and the volume of naval orders.
    And where did they go, fellow countryman? belay hi

    But the countryman turned out to be ... Bashkirkhan. Do we know Ufa? sad
  30. shonsu
    shonsu 25 June 2020 12: 26 New
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    the article abounds with inaccuracies, as if whipped up. and indeed its meaning is not clear to me. what we do 2430 ton corvettes slower than in China 1300 ton this is a no brainer. we generally talked about the mass production of new ships about 6 years ago. and even then it turned out that there are no engines of their own, but nobody wants to deliver them to us.
  31. Petersburg printing house
    Petersburg printing house 25 June 2020 12: 50 New
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    Of course, the Russian ship looks uniquely stronger, but 2 ships against 57 are not a very nice comparison.

    This is the most accurate statement. Despite the superiority of our 20385 project, a quantitative comparison does not go in any direction. It remains to hope for a difference between ours and China, geopolitical plans that bypass possible clashes drinks
  32. 5-9
    5-9 25 June 2020 15: 02 New
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    China's real GDP, according to PPP, is already noticeably greater than in the US, and it is critically dependent on the world's ocean routes .. what do we have to do with it?
    Let the United States, Japan think of Chinese corvettes .... India finally ....
  33. Tuzik
    Tuzik 25 June 2020 20: 31 New
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    I don’t understand why they are putting art installations on warships, is it like a dagger on the belt of sailors, a tribute to traditions?
    1. Graz
      Graz 26 June 2020 10: 55 New
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      for cheap solutions to a wide range of problems, all the more so when patrolling your own water area, and missiles on small ships especially have nowhere to put
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 26 June 2020 13: 59 New
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        If possible, explain what a wide range of tasks, I really don’t understand what you can do with a 76-100 mm art installation, you won’t get missiles, aviation has a range of 200 km and beyond, you can’t approach the coast at a salvo range, except for pirates in Somalia, world mines 2 and motor boats can be shot at 30 mm, even in 2008 missiles shot at boats with missiles at boats, and range and accuracy are better.
        I’m not joking, I really don’t understand why it’s necessary to take such weight and volume on modern ships.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 28 June 2020 00: 22 New
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          Well, the answer is quite simple. A modern ship (civilian) is a "floating reinforced-concrete high-rise building," use it from a 30mm shoot? the infantry will simply move to the other side, and then immediately return. But when using calibers of 50 + mm, and preferably tank-like 120 + mm, everything changes dramatically, there you can even add a new panamax container add-on with OFSs, and again, OFSs can damage the engine \ radar, etc. which is very beneficial to minimize the likelihood of war, for example, they won’t fight for a couple of dead sailors, but they can easily fight for a sunken ship. Well, finally, purely economically, the projectile is stupidly cheaper for minor operations.
  34. Graz
    Graz 26 June 2020 10: 53 New
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    we need a base in Cuba for both the navy and the air force