In the Arab world comment on the words of the President of Egypt about the readiness to send troops to Libya

Libyan military-political tangle continues to get confused. In Saudi Arabia, they expressed their full support for Egypt, which has recently been increasing the number of forces and assets on its border with Libya. Recall that earlier the command of the armed forces of Egypt gave the order to transfer dozens tanks, Infantry fighting vehicles, helicopters, MLRS and other equipment closer to Libya.

In the Arab world, they comment on the words of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi about the readiness to send troops to Libya.

The so-called Libyan National Accord Government, which actually broadcasts Turkish policies, accused Cairo of preparing for aggression against the Libyan state. The representative of the armed forces of the PNS said that the actions of Egypt "threaten the sovereignty of Libya." In Cairo, retorted: "But Turkey’s actions do not threaten sovereignty?"

In Saudi Arabia, a statement was made that Egypt has every right to use its troops to protect its borders from militants who are used in the PNS. These are militants who, with the help of Ankara, were transferred to Libya from the province of Idlib (Syria).

MFA CA:

Saudi Arabia upholds Egypt's right to defend its borders against terrorism.

Some time ago, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi warned pro-Turkish forces in Libya, noting that they should not organize provocations against Egypt. At the same time, al-Sisi called the country's only parliament elected by the Libyan people the only legitimate force in Libya. It is important to note that the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar is also supported by the country's parliament.

According to the Egyptian president, if the threat from the PNS and the militants grows, he is ready to send troops to Libya. Today, statements were made from Cairo that the Egyptian army could enter Libya if the PNS and pro-Turkish militants cross the Al-Jafra-Sirt line and occupy this city.

At the moment, the advanced parts of the PNS, actively supported by Turkey, are located on the outskirts of Sirte.

At the same time, the PNS Faiz Saraj refused to participate in the negotiations in the format of the League of Arab States, saying that such a meeting "will lead to a split in the Arab world." Such a decision was condemned by the PNS in the UAE, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to enter. Otherwise, the mess will be 100 years in Libya. At the same time, thin out the "brothers" and fighters from Syria.

[Sky strike fighter]

This will further aggravate the mess in the region, just like putting out a fire with gasoline. Turkey is in conflict with the Arab world. Iraq, Syria and Libya are few. They want to fight with Egypt. The armies of Egypt and Turkey are comparable. Erdogan will soon be removed from the post.

[Zaurbek]

If Egypt mates with the Turks ..... this is not the worst scenario for us.

[Shurik70]

Egypt live there.
Civil war is close at hand, and this is a hotbed of terrorists. Regardless of which side wins. But the terrorists are different. If Haftar wins, it will be terrorists "against Israel and Turkey," and if the PNS, they will be "against Israel and Egypt."
So who to support is obvious to Egypt.
Although, of course, the United States may intervene, intimidate, bribe ... But so far Egypt has taken its step.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Shurik70

If Haftar wins, it will be terrorists "against Israel and Turkey"

Seriously?) Will a US citizen be against Israel and Turkey? Oh well

[Shurik70]

Quote: Grazdanin

Seriously?) Will a US citizen be against Israel and Turkey? Oh well

There is a difference between politicians and terrorists.
Dysfunctional countries, poverty, war - all this contributes to the emergence of terrorists.
But against whom they will fight, it depends on whom they blame for their troubles.
And when someone wins the civil war, they won’t stop fighting, whatever the victorious rulers would say to them.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Shurik70

Although, of course, the United States may intervene, intimidate, bribe

In Saudi Arabia, a statement was made that Egypt has every right to use its troops to protect its borders from militants who are used in the PNS.

Isn't a Saudi statement a US endorsement?

[Shurik70]

Quote: Tank Hard

Isn't a Saudi statement a US endorsement?

They are now "a little divorced" because of US shale oil

[Tank hard]

Quote: Shurik70

They are now "a little divorced" because of US shale oil

Well, I don't think this is a serious divorce, there are more common interests than disagreements, and the United States doesn't like the Turkish "movement" in Libya. However, I could be wrong, time will tell.

[Shurik70]

So I said "a little".
And few people like the Turks. And the USA including

[Volkov]

Egypt will not allow the creation of a threat on the western borders. Ethiopia will complete the dam on the Nile in December, after which it will be able to threaten Cairo with a decrease in the water level in the river. If at this time there will be a threat of invasion by militants from Libya, then Al-Sisi will have serious problems. Therefore, Cairo is unlikely to be bluffing the possibility of sending troops to Libya.

[Benedict]

Quote: Zaurbek

If Egypt mates with the Turks ..... this is not the worst scenario for us.

Yes, yes .. It would be nice .. The main thing is that the outflow of devils goes in Syria ..!
We will support Haftar as much as we can .. Well, let's the Egyptians, show the class in military art of strategy !!!! Israel will not touch you, we will cover ..

[Zaurbek]

He has already gone.

[Benedict]

Quote: Zaurbek

He has already gone.

Fuck .. Quietly becoming in Syria .. Well, if Israel only reminds the devils what they should do ..

[Zaurbek]

The Turks did not just enter the troops in Idlib .....

[Benedict]

Quote: Zaurbek

The Turks did not just enter the troops in Idlib .....

Well, as they entered and will withdraw .. Something that the Turks do not succeed in both this and that ..
Eh Erdogan, you are not listening to Russia! You’ll get it in the soup, Allah is a witness to that ..

[Zaurbek]

Nobody is listening to anyone. While they themselves do not step on the rake. This also applies to the Russian Federation. Some, then, and on the 2nd rake go.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Benito

Well, as entered and withdrawn.

They will not deduce, there are fraternal Turks who are the people they defend. And the Kurds need a buffer zone.

[Volkov]

June 15 was a deadline for the withdrawal of pro-Turkish militants from Idlib. On the 14th there should have been negotiations between Moscow and Ankara, but they were postponed. Already there have been reports of the preparation of the SA for the offensive in that area. This may somewhat distract Turkey from Libya.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zaurbek

this is not the worst scenario for us

As Karabas-Barabas said: "... yes, it's just some kind of holiday ..."

[NordUral]

Right! Found Russia, represented by the guarantor, to us faithful ally.

[Tank hard]

Quote: NordUral

Right! Russia has found, in the person of the guarantor, our faithful ally.

Which of the "allies" do you mean?

[NordUral]

In this case, Turkey.

[Tank hard]

Quote: NordUral

In this case, Turkey

Turkey is not an ally of Russia, not once!

[NordUral]

I agree, not an ally, of course, a "partner" and a "field of miracles" where people's money is buried.

[Alekseev]

"Not a bad scenario"
That's right.
The Idlibs found themselves in Libya, and there the regular troops of Egypt slam them, even if all of them. Erdogan on the hill, otherwise he pops it everywhere to sober up.

[tekinoral]

Quote: Zaurbek

If Egypt mates with the Turks ..... this is not the worst scenario for us.

I’m not tired of sucking up after the pluses of the elder!

[cradle]

the best scenario is when the boys rattle their guns and disperse. Extra war, it is superfluous.

[bayard]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

.Turkey comes into conflict with the Arab world.

Turkey practically \ actually entered this conflict on several fronts. And if the Arabs do not stop her at this (quite vulnerable in logistics) phase, they will soon have to remember what the Ottoman Empire is.
The fact that Egypt supported the SA is already good - it is finances and a role in the Islamic world, perhaps now an anti-Turkish bloc of Arab states will form. It is precisely the countries of the region, against which, in fact, this Turkish aggression is taking place that should attack the aggressor.
And Egypt has a chance to get even for the "Muslim brothers" of the Turkish flood.

[Zaurbek]

While you can get rid of the blockade from the sea and air

[bayard]

Sea battles with the protection of Turkish convoys? Drowning Turkish transports including aircraft?
The Turks have already imported into Libya from 12 to 20 thousand of their proxies from Idlib. These fighters have long been in the war, shelled, trained. For Libya, this is a lot. They broke the balance of power.
Having entered troops in Libya at the request of its parliament, Egypt will fight with Turkish proxies - mercenaries, but not against the Turkish army. So it is possible to keep the war within the borders of Libya. If sea battles begin in the Mediterranean Sea with its intensity of shipping, the conflict will very quickly grow to enormous proportions and involve many more states than can be imagined now.
So it’s better to put out a war within the borders of Libya. Your proposal is to send Egypt troops to Libya, cleanse terrorists and foreign mercenaries, and start the peace process - elections, normalization of peaceful life, I consider it the only true one in this situation. Egypt must take such a responsibility.
But the Turks for the promised oil (ALL OIL) to Libya will fight fiercely. You need to be prepared for this.

[Zaurbek]

These people have to fight and ride on something .. aviation will deprive Babakhs of food. How did the videoconferencing. And then we still have to fight.

[Grazdanin]

1. There will be no conflict in the Mediterranean. Nobody needs them and the US 6th Fleet will not allow it.
2. There will be no direct conflict between Egypt and Turkey. They have a lot to do with each other.
3. In Libya, there is an ordinary colonial war. It does not concern the people of Libya itself. They will eventually agree on how to split the oil; now there is a dispute about%.

[anzar]

Your proposal is to introduce troops to Egypt in Libya, clean from terrorists and foreign mercenaries, and start the peace process - elections, normalization of peaceful life, I consider it the only true one in this situation

They (the Egyptians) will not be able to "cleanse" anyone - help from Sinai. And rejoicing in the defeat / isolation of Turkey, one should not forget that the energy from the AEC Akkuyu must be sold to someone ... There are not enough "streams", now the AEC is on credit.

[bayard]

American nuclear power plants and Boeing are critically dependent on supplies from Russia - nuclear fuel and aircraft structures made of titanium, but this does not interfere with the US-Russian differences.
That's life .
It is unlikely that Russia, and I, too, wish Turkey evil - we and it have a lot of interesting things in trade and cooperation. But Turkey didn’t take into account the interests of Russia in Libya?
And with the interests of Egypt - also did not count.
And with the interests of many others - also did not count.
And what claims to those whose interests suffer from the actions of Turkey?
Is she not herself to blame for everything that is and can happen?
The one who first struck must be prepared for an approximate punishment ... Or at least for a retaliatory strike.
And no offense. For it is fair.
What do you have against justice?

I personally am a very kind person, but if someone does this to me ... he will be very upset.
This is the law of karma.

[anzar]

What do you have against justice?

Nothing, it's not about "justice" at all (who understands how it is), but about money. Too much Russia has invested in Turkey, and in the crisis of the Turkish economy, it will be quite robust. Here is the decline in gas consumption (flows) and electricity (Akkuyu) and their prices! Or say these are the problems of Gazprom and Rosatom, which do not prevent the "forum society" from enjoying ... what?

Turkey didn’t take into account Russia's interests in Libya?

And what are they? Hypothet. Railway line from Tripoli to Benghazi? Very profitable investment)))

[bayard]

Quote: anzar

Nothing, it's not about "justice" at all (who understands how it is), but about money.

Well then, let's talk about money.
In your opinion, when is the state ready for a confrontation, when it is at risk not yet received — a hypothetical profit, or when it ALREADY suffers losses due to the partner’s fault on money already invested in him?
Attach this example to the ordinary - human level, between two men.
So, it seems to me that in our case it is the second case that is already developing, because in the first (expected profit) Russia did not want to go to the conflict and tried / tries to resolve the matter by negotiations (the scale of interest is not the same), but the second ... Turkey is already violating the agreements concluded by not purchasing the proper amount of gas from the Turkish Stream, and the damage from such actions is estimated at several billion dollars.
For the money already invested in laying the pipeline.
New!
What is this if not intentional damage?
Instead, increased LNG consumption from Qatar ...
That is, Turkey is already damaging Russia unilaterally, proactively.
And this is without taking into account her actions in Libya.
And if you plus it?
What do you think, for SUCH harm ... should be responsible?
And when you consider that the same story can happen with the nuclear power plant in Akuyu , isn’t it better ... to agree to a change of ownership on its territory?

I was considered a Turkophile on this site, because in the choice between Greece and Turkey, I preferred betting on Turkey, and in the choice between Azerbaijan and Armenia - Azerbaijan. Considering Armenia and Greece as less reliable and less valuable partners. In addition, I once served in Azerbaijan and I know the local specifics and the history of their conflict with Armenia very well ...
But betrayal ...
And from the side of Turkey in relations with Russia, its behavior cannot be qualified otherwise ... very quickly and simply changes the estimated characteristics from plus to minus. Therefore, I believe that investment in the Turkish economy should be frozen. Trade - freeze. Tourism - freeze.
Until a complete and comprehensive resolution of all mutual contradictions between our countries.
And if the resolution of the contradictions does not take place, then to support Turkey and its opponents in the unfolding conflicts (fortunately, we have excellent relations with them) both diplomatically and by military supplies and consultations.
Turkey itself has chosen the path to confrontation.
And if, as a result of political turbulence within Turkey and on the external circuit, or as a result of a war with the anti-Turkish coalition, this state disappears from the map (as the British and French wanted at the end of WWII), then I think Russia has its property and commercial interests with the new authorities. .. will receive.
I do not wish evil to the state of Turkey and the Turkish people.
I do not want the fact of the existence of this state to be called into question. This is the choice of the Turkish leadership itself, and alas, it looks like a fair part of its population.
If you all insist on this, nobody will dissuade you - go for it. But all responsibility for the consequences of such actions will be solely on you.

It’s one thing - they promised me a deal and tore it off, and it’s a completely different thing if you took the money, guaranteeing a profit and ... stole it.
The situation with Turkey for Russia now looks just that, or may become such in the near future.
This is worse. And more expensive (!) Downed aircraft.
But there is still time to think it over.

[Incvizitor]

Yes, they will not take it off, they are crap in their heads about the "great Ottoman empire" as at one time the Germans were washed about the "great Reich" until they were completely fucked by everyone and they will dream.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

This will further strengthen the mess in the region

This, if you look at one side. And on the other hand, the more biomass utilizers, the better the disposal. And the counterweight to the Sultan, the more he is, the better.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

This will further aggravate the mess in the region, just like putting out a fire with gasoline. Turkey is in conflict with the Arab world. Iraq, Syria and Libya are few. They want to fight with Egypt. The armies of Egypt and Turkey are comparable. Erdogan will soon be removed from the post.

The Turks have a stronger fleet and aviation, but only Egypt has a common border with Libya

[Russia]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

This will further aggravate the mess in the region, just like putting out a fire with gasoline. Turkey is in conflict with the Arab world. Iraq, Syria and Libya are few. They want to fight with Egypt. The armies of Egypt and Turkey are comparable. Erdogan will soon be removed from the post.

The Turks have a stronger fleet and aviation, but only Egypt has a common border with Libya

Indeed, in the famous series, a saying constantly passes through, like Egyptian power.

[Krasnodar]

Welcome
The Egyptians are far from whipping boys, and when it comes to Libyan oil, they will be fighting in earnest - all the more, sponsors were found right away))

[Grazdanin]

They are whipping boys. When is it from the time of Tutankhamun militarily they represented power?

[notingem]

The tombs were built for themselves the coolest. From the history it is clear that their strength in funeral rituals

[notingem]

In modern history, the military power of the Egyptians can be found in the Israelites. Tombs again

[Krasnodar]

Not the easiest opponents

[Grits]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Turkey is in conflict with the Arab world. Iraq, Syria and Libya are few. They want to fight with Egypt. The armies of Egypt and Turkey are comparable

Personally, I would not mind if Turkey begins to fight the whole Arab world. And she would have been all the more against it if she had lost this war.
But about the comparability of the forces of Turkey and Egypt, I would be careful. It seems to me that the Turks are still more powerful and organized.

[Krasnodar]

Quite right, the Turks are more powerful, more organized, but their land border with Libya is dumb.

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnodar

but their land border with Libya is dumb.

Yes, logistics is much easier for them. True and they are not able to produce their weapons. All the same, imported by sea. Therefore, as soon as the tanks run out, the war will end.

[Krasnodar]

Why by sea through their ports? Delivery to Israel, from there via Sinai, or to Jordan (Aqaba) from there a couple of kilometers of Israeli land and again Sinai

[APASUS]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The armies of Egypt and Turkey are comparable

There is only one decisive factor: Turkey needs to drag its troops across the Mediterranean Sea, and Egypt can very seriously hinder this. There is still strained with Greece, so Egypt will have more chances to win

[Igor K]

Let the Janissaries let the blood, we will have more maneuver after that in the Middle East.

[Romka47]

it's like extinguishing a fire with gasoline By the way, recently on Vaud there was a video like a RAPIRA cannon "extinguishing" the fire of a gas well, sometimes to extinguish the hearth, you need to knock down the armature that prevents the fire from shutting off the oxygen. But this is by the way. I do not presume to judge this situation

[gorecc]

and on what basis do they have the right to send troops there?

[Zaurbek]

The fact that this is a neighboring country and they are not satisfied with the development of a civil war there.

[gorecc]

and this gives them the right to intervene and invade the territory of a sovereign state-va? I would also understand if the war was near the borders of Egypt, and terrorists made attacks on the territory of the latter, as the Kurds do when they attack Turkey from neighboring countries.
But there is nothing like it in Libya, but there is a risk that Lna will lose Sirte and the nearby large oil fields, and foreign curators and Haftar sponsors do not want to allow this. So the UAE, KSA and France began to pull the strings, and Sisi began to fuss, began to broadcast that they supposedly threatened our borders, it was necessary to send troops .. although I repeat, no one really threatens their borders, the fighting goes hundreds of kilometers from their border. Moreover, the PNS states that after taking Sirte, she is ready to sit at the negotiating table, and no one is going to advance further.

[Zaurbek]

No one is able to talk there ....

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Gorecc

and on what basis do they have the right to send troops there?

Haftar will ask for the introduction of Egyptian troops, as Sarraj asked for the introduction of the Turkish army of Erdogan.
Escalation of conflict. A new level, so to speak.

[Zaurbek]

It may well be. Turkey will do business. Maybe I don’t have enough strength for Idlib .....

[gorecc]

unlike Haftar, the PNS is the only government recognized by the UN in Libya. And yes, the Turkish army as such is not in the Libyan conflict. There are advisers, MTRs and mercenaries from Syria, there is a supply of equipment.
So on the side of Haftar also mercenaries from Chad and Sudan are fighting. There are also advisers from the UAE. Haftaru is also supplied with equipment from Egypt, the UAE, Jordan, etc.

If tomorrow some Syrian national army that opposes Assad asks to be led by the United States or Turkey to send troops to Syria, you will also take this with hostility and begin to prove that Assad is the only legitimate authority in Syria, and that they have no right that it’s aggression ... let Assad’s legitimacy be sewn with white thread, but he’s considered legitimate. At least in Russia and Iran.
just the same, the PCs, although there is also not so simple with their legitimacy, but nevertheless they are the only legitimate authorities in Libya, at the invitation of which Turkey intervened in the conflict (like Russia intervened in the Syrian conflict at the invitation of Assad). They didn’t give such permission to others. Therefore, you should regard the potential intervention of the Egyptian army in Libya as the intervention of Turkey or the United States in the civil war in Syria, that is, consider it an aggression and a violation of international law .. but double standards are obtained)

[Incvizitor]

One might think now the opinion of the UN is of concern to someone on the world stage, even with the collapse of Yugoslavia, all of this turned out to be true.

[Aleksandr21]

If we talk about the sovereignty of the country and the legitimacy of power, then it ended with the intervention of Western countries in the Libyan affairs, which overthrew Kadaffi by force and chaos occurred in the country. Now there is a civil war and each side does not recognize the legitimacy of the other. By the way, the President of Egypt, too, does not seem to recognize the right to power of the PNS:

At the same time, al-Sisi called the country's only parliament elected by the Libyan people the only legitimate force in Libya. It is important to note that the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar is also supported by the country's parliament.

everything is complicated there, for example, Haftar will win, the UN will recognize it tomorrow, so the question of legitimacy is a difficult topic, in Syria everything is clear who the people chose and in Libya after the fall of Gaddafi there was no presidential election, and the question of power is open.

[gorecc]

yes, the "popular favorite" Assad needed military assistance and the intervention of Russia and Iran in order to stay in power and suppress the opposition. Have there been real elections in Syria? Well, yes, there was a semblance of elections in which, in fact, Assad legitimized his power, which he inherited from his father, the usurper. But I would not call it "people's choice"
In fact, there are no special differences between Libya and Syria. Both years there is a long civil war, and there and there we have the active intervention of foreign powers under various pretexts.

[Grits]

Quote: Gorecc

Have there been real elections in Syria? Well, yes, there was a semblance of elections in which, in fact, Assad legitimized his power, which he inherited from his usurper father. But I would not call it "people's choice"
In fact, there are no special differences between Libya and Syria

Have there been real elections in Libya? Did the locust choose by direct vote of the people in the election?

[gorecc]

no, they weren’t .. for the legitimacy of the PNS there are questions, as well as for the legitimacy of Assad .. But Russia is firmly convinced of the legitimacy of Assad (let him not be recognized by Europe, the United States, the League of Arab states, or most of its own population) and is in Syria at his invitation, and those forces that he did not invite to the country are considered invaders and aggressors ..
In the same way, Turkey considers Pns Saranja the only legitimate authority in Libya, and is also present in this country at the invitation of it. And it also considers the presence of the military forces of the UAE, Egypt and others in Libya as not legitimate, since Saranj did not give sanction, and did not invite them to the country ..

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Gorecc

Libya, at the invitation of which Turkey intervened in the conflict (like Russia intervened in the Syrian conflict at the invitation of Assad). They did not give such permission to others.

And what does Turkey do in idlib in this case? And amers did not call amers to Syria.

[WILL]

Quote: Gorecc

and on what basis do they have the right to send troops there?

And the Turks are there on a coca basis? Egypt at least has a common border with Libya, unlike Turkey.
Yes, it is possible to discuss early ... but if the Egyptians enter Libya, obviously the Turks will become at least uncomfortable. Egypt is being pushed by the Saudis and the UAE to send troops; they are also ready to finance this operation!
Nine years of the Civil War, poor Libya ... it is possible that everything is just beginning!

[Zaurbek]

We are waiting for development, in general. But the Arabs, it seems to me, are not capable of anything more than genocide in the controlled territories.

[gorecc]

Turks are in Libya at the invitation of the United Nations-recognized Government of National Accord (PNC). Well then bish on the same basis on which the Russians are in Syria.
Libya also has a maritime border with Turkey. In Libya (as a former component of the Ottoman Empire) there are many Turkic-speaking people kindred to Turkey, the "Turkish world" is all business)
But what did the UAE and Jordan with France forget in Libya, and who called them there?
Well, hedgehogs in Egypt have a common border with Libya .. then this changes things, let the troops lead, I forgot that the common border gives you the right to lead the army to neighboring states))
Yes, if the threat does not come from there. Here comes a real threat to Turkey from Syria and Iraq. Both their inhabitants and soldiers died more than once on this occasion. But however, the actions of Turkey in neighboring states here unanimously condemn and call aggression and interference in the affairs of neighboring states, but it turns out to be Egypt, Haftar is ours

[Russia]

Egypt is unequivocally counting on political and financial support, someone offered them all this, but they are not against it, all the more, in case of a favorable development of events, they can chop off something for themselves from above, from the common "pie".

[no better place for]

He doesn’t count but has, now the time has come to pay for this support. Saudis brought him to power and finance. Now they want to put in slaughter in return

[Igor K]

On the same grounds on which everyone fights there against all. States have taught how to properly respect territorial sovereignty.

[ancient]

Quote: Zaurbek

Must be entered

Totally agree
In general, the President of Egypt .... "MAN" since Abdel Fattah al-Sisi stated:
"......... any direct intervention by Egypt in Libya is now seen as a step that is endowed with international legitimacy."
“....... This right is based on the need to protect Egypt's borders from terrorist groups, help the Libyan brothers restore security and stability, end the bloodshed among Libyans in both the east and the west, and support efforts to end fire and the launch of a comprehensive political process under the auspices of the UN. "
This is really the President, the Guarantor and ... defender of the Fatherland.

And now .. "fantasy":
"......... any direct intervention RF in the LPR and the DPR now seen as a step endowed with international legitimacy. ”
“....... This right is based on the need to protect the borders of the Russian Federation from terrorist groups, help Donetsk and Lugansk brothers-citizens of the Russian Federation to restore security and stability, put an end to the bloodshed among Ukrainians in Donetsk and Luhansk in the east, and support efforts to achieve a ceasefire and launch a comprehensive political process under the auspices of the UN. "

There is an analogy 080808 .... what is missing ... our President to make such a decision? .......

[Zaurbek]

The elite in the Russian Federation is hindered by assets abroad .... nothing more.

[ancient]

Quote: Zaurbek

The elite in the Russian Federation is hindered by assets abroad .... nothing else

And the "minus" layer ... the main thing is that "spiritual strength" does not ... "suffer"

[Zaurbek]

And "fig" with them

[Igor K]

If the bull is disturbed by coca, they must be cut off.

[FIR FIR]

Is there enough strength? Egypt is the arbiter of the problems of Libya ... It even sounds funny. They can save Haftar, but in another they’ll just be PR.

[Igor K]

Let them come in, drink some blood for the Turks, and also France there.

[Mountain shooter]

She will also act in distressed Libya! What are the long and terrible consequences of the destruction of the state. For its inhabitants, for the balance of power in the region, even for those countries that participated in its destruction. A wave of refugees in Europe - is it not a consequence of the ruin of Libya?

[Zaurbek]

Not power. And they need to introduce an army and take territory, then put on a peaceful track.

[Sky strike fighter]

Do not you think that Egypt is deliberately provoked to unleash conflicts in Libya with Turkey and Ethiopia over the Nile water? Someone is seriously shaking Egypt. For Egypt, the Muslim brothers on the Libyan-Egyptian border, that the closure of the Nile water from Ethiopia is a disaster and he will be forced to defend himself, while having a difficult socio-economic situation in his country.

[Zaurbek]

Egypt is the largest Arab country with many problems.

[Sky strike fighter]

That's just the point. The Arab spring has not reached its goals. The second attempt to redistribute the region.

[Zaurbek]

And if Libya is not "put in order" the hotbed will be near the borders of Egypt. And there is not such a border as the border of the Russian Federation.

[Sky strike fighter]

And then another Mursi will appear with the support of Turkey. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are afraid of it. Having possessed Egypt, the Muslim brothers will want to remake Saudi Arabia and thus lead the Muslim world. Here she is Erdogan's dream. And then there may be an attempt to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

[Zaurbek]

In general, this is so.

[PN]

Measurement of pipelines is becoming more serious. On the one hand, the army of Egypt is large and has the advantage of a land border. But does she have experience in conducting serious clashes?

[Sky strike fighter]

Does Turkey have this experience? Only the Kurds are fighting.

[Igor K]

So let's see what the combined-arms operation performed by the Turks looks like in the conditions of isolation from the supply bases. In the Second World Italians and the British on this subject were notably drawn.

[voyaka uh]

There is. In the Sinai, they are fighting with ISIS.
The scale, of course, is small, but the ISIS Bedouins are persistent gopniks. Losses on both sides.

[Igor K]

In the afternoon the peasant, at night the terrorist. Partisanism, especially in the Middle East, is still a phenomenon.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: PN

But does she have experience in conducting serious clashes?

You might think that the Turks have it. Sweeps against the Kurds - it doesn’t count ... Erdogan will not fight with Egypt ... something tells me that he won’t ... the consequences are very unpredictable!

[Grazdanin]

In general, who is talking about the war?) This is only in the minds of the commentators of this site) They all have their own, agree on how to tear Libya apart. Moreover, the division of Libya into tripolitania and cyrenaics is logical. Libya is mostly a desert with a population of 6 million people.

[voyaka uh]

"You might think the Turks have it" ///
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The Turks, of course, have experience.
Against the regular army of Syria and against the troops of Haftar, who had tanks, and artillery, and aviation, and air defense.

[Junior Private]

The consequences are just predictable. The Arabs will continue their national fun called "drank a neighbor," and the powers that be, even long-term military turmoil in the BV region, plays into the hands of the powers that be - whoever wins without a difference, and the polymers will be easier to divide later. They will not listen to Erdogan's opinion.

[Igor K]

This farther is a rather stubborn comrade who imagines himself a great Janissaries collector of the lands of ancestors.

[Harry cuper]

The phrase "so-called" can be safely applied to all parties to the conflict: PNS, LNA, marshal, etc. Their legitimacy is about the same.

[bayard]

The parliament is higher - after all, an elected body, was elected by the citizens of Libya. And the Saraj’s government is a Calabrant administration set up by the invaders (first European, and now Turkish).
Marshall was appointed by parliament, followed by the army - so it became legitimate. At least to the extent possible in a chaotic country.

[gorecc]

According to the Egyptian president, if the threat from the PNS and the militants grows, he is ready to send troops to Libya. Today, statements were made from Cairo that the Egyptian army could enter Libya if the PNS and pro-Turkish militants cross the Al-Jafra-Sirt line and occupy this city.

what threat is from the PNS to Egypt, what kind of baby talk?) if the PNS cross the line .. in their own country, and on their territory Libyans can cross any lines, no one should ask Egypt for permission ... and the funny thing is that Sirte is as much as 800 km west of the Egyptian border, but if the PNS takes it, it will be a mortal threat to the borders of Egypt, the guard must be led troops

[Grazdanin]

It’s clear that they’re just sawing Libya. Libya itself does not care. I am interested to know how many percent of the "Libyans" in the armies of the PNS and LNA. Is it at least 10%?

[Igor K]

I don’t care, let’s start. Let's see what the Turks are made of.

[faterdom]

So, none of the parties to the conflict in Libya is a rootless orphan at all. Erdogn’s whole calculation was that if you quickly pile on, nobody will fit in (or maybe the Americans promised him that in order to improve the falling relations).
But, firstly, already what is happening is not a blitzkrieg, not at all.
Secondly, there are a lot of countries who have not dreamed of gaining Turkey’s influence in the Mediterranean for nothing — I won’t be mistaken if I say that this is all the countries of the region.
And of course, Egypt has its own interests in Libya, which is reasonable, and he definitely does not need a second Idlib at his side (and the personalities are the same). Moreover, Egypt is there, but the Turks are still overseas, logistics is not in favor of Turkey.
So, the warning is more than transparent, in the place of the Turks it would be time to backtrack, agree while they offer, otherwise you have to drape involuntarily. With great damage to the image, rating and the economy as a result.

[knn54]

There, and the Libyan border tribes are trained by the Egyptians and they planted weapons.

[donavi49]

For the second time in a month, the head of the PNS is meeting with the new president of Algeria. Algeria is for peace, but recognizes the PNS and relies on the PNS.

[sav]

Quote: donavi49

For the second time in a month, the head of the PNS is meeting with the new president of Algeria. Algeria for peace, but recognizes the PNS and relies on the PNS

At the same time, Algeria is our trading partner in the field of armaments, and quite reliable. Yes, I would not want to lose such a client

[Benedict]

Quote: sav

At the same time, Algeria is our trading partner in the field of armaments, and quite reliable. Yes, I would not want to lose such a client

No flags, sorry ... Whose partner is Algeria?

[donavi49]

Algeria is still a key arms purchaser. Although it replaces the vector in China and Europe.

The novelty of this year’s parade in Moscow, the BMP-2 Berezhok, was made for Algeria; moreover, in their version the modernization affected the engine (more powerful and stable in the heat), but what goes along Red Square has an old engine. And there are hundreds of BMP-2 Berezhkov

Mi-26T2, which is now purchased by the Moscow Region, with a bunch of updates and a completely new cabin, 2 people can operate a helicopter instead of 5. This is also Algeria. Moreover, at the final stage, Algeria acted not only as a starting customer, but also as an investor in the program.

Well, every Mi-28, Su-30MKA, hundreds of T-90, 4 submarines with Caliber, etc.

[WOLF330]

Not only Algeria. The head of Ethiopia is going on an official visit to Tripoli .. In short .. The bluff of the Pharaohs makes laugh. Egypt will not rock the boat, it is like death!

[Igor K]

Money was given, met, business then.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Well, the farther into the forest, the more firewood, but these forests do not, desert and oil.

[Cowbra]

Well, vinaigrette there, however. The funny thing is that Erdogan, it seems, is still raking in his mustache ... Not at the rank of swinging - they will devour a fool

[cniza]

Well, yes, how many fronts does he already have?

[Cowbra]

And how many opponents? Russia, the USA, Greece, the Arab world - the whole, from Iran to Egypt, Israel, Europe, he is an enemy and not a friend with his blackmail by refugees. China is his ally? But China will not climb into reinforced concrete in any weld. Is he trying to become papo in the region (pan-Turkism)? To make it so that in the region - well, everything is universal - against Turkey?

[cniza]

It seems not stupid, what is it counting on? stammer him inside Turkey.

[Cowbra]

Fuck knows them, that’s true, the East is a delicate matter. You can understand Europeans at least somehow, even Poles with their desire to get by the horns - eternal. But here is the logic of the Turks or the Saudis, who themselves drove themselves not into crisis, but deeper and smell not violets there ... Well, I don’t catch up with any side at all. Well really chtol some kamikaze in the area, or in a hookah forever not at all tobacco?

[cniza]

Quote: Cowbra

Well really chtol some kamikaze in the area, or in a hookah forever not at all tobacco?

Maybe this is, but it remains only to observe where and how the Sultan will taxi.

[no better place for]

That's because you get carefully filtered info

[Cowbra]

Enlighten us. unfiltered. Alga!

[Grazdanin]

So funny))) it’s in your head everything is completely against Turkey))
Russia sells weapons, the United States has bases, has a huge number of joint projects with the Arab world, they buy weapons and technologies from Israel, Europe is a key trading partner))

Turkey has neither permanent allies, nor permanent enemies. Turkey has only permanent interests. Like any power))

[carnifexx]

The disposition is not in favor of Haftar. Fights are not in favor either. From this news it is clear that the SA is ready to push Egypt into the war against the PNS, Turkey and Algeria with pleasure - which is not surprising. I doubt that Egypt is ready to go far - yet the problem with Ethiopia and the Hidase hydropower plant is much more important for them than some kind of Libya. The war with Ethiopia, too, will most likely not follow the latest PRC, but still get involved in the war on the verge of a larger crisis is to lose position.

[alone]

Quote: Carnifexx

The war with Ethiopia, too, will most likely not follow the latest PRC, but still get involved in the war on the verge of a larger crisis is to lose position.

By the way, Ethiopia began to fill the dam without the consent of Egypt and Sudan .. So if CC is silent, then Egyptian agriculture this year will remain without a crop, because everything that comes from the dam will be used by Sudan

[carnifexx]

Duck yes, the name of the dam is "revival", this is the golden ticket for Ethiopia, there is no chance at all that they will abandon the project, especially since everything is built.

[Ross xnumx]

At the same time, the NTC Faiza Saraja refused to participate in the negotiations in the format of the League of Arab States, stating that such a meeting "will lead to a split in the Arab world".

Wow ... Yes, the world has been collecting this Arabian mosaic for more than 2000 years.
There will never be peace here due to existing religious contradictions and "very clumsy klimat" ...
Even in Siberia people of different races manage to get along, and here one state strives to share, at least in two ...
You can put your sticks ...

[Zeev zeev]

Erdogan, dreaming of restoring the Ottoman Empire, got into intra-Arab relations, which the League of Arab States will forgive him (as well as Iran, expanding its influence among the Shiites of the Arab countries). Therefore, any actions of Egypt against the Turks and their proxies will be supported by other members of the Arab League.

[Oquzyurd]

"got into intra-Arab relations"))) Are you serious? Since when did the French, Italians and other "whites" become Arabs? Let me remind you that these so-called Arab countries, following the results of WWI, are drawn on the map with a PEN, literally, by the French, British and other imperialists, who to this day there are participants and direct perpetrators of "intra-Arab" showdowns. Interestingly, what other whites are under what dreams are there, thousands of miles from their home? Everyone chases his own truth, thinking that others do not have it, or that others have no right to it.

[gorecc]

Syria, Iraq, Libya - this is not intra-Arab relations, but the former territories of the Ottoman Empire, tobish of today's Turkey. And the fact that the Turks today have their interests there and defend them is completely normal. Or do you think that the UAE, France or Russia have more rights than Turkey in the Libyan conflict?
Erdogan can dream about anything, but I think no fools are sitting in Turkey, and are well aware that you don’t have to dream about any Ottoman imperial 2.0, no one will allow them to.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Gorecc

Syria, Iraq, Libya - this is not intra-Arab relations, but the former territories of the Ottoman Empire

These countries as Russia are CIS countries. No one comes up with a question: why are we helping Armenia or Uzbekistan?

[Reserve buildbat]

Widely t (d) urki pace. Togo and look, trousers will tear.

[Russia]

Quote: Krasnodar

Welcome
The Egyptians are far from whipping boys, and when it comes to Libyan oil, they will be fighting in earnest - all the more, sponsors were found right away))

I agree, they felt their weight and strength, especially since they are regional neighbors and historically they know everything about everyone. Well, knowing and feeling the weaknesses of the neighbors, the Egyptians do not refuse their momentary strength and profit for the future.

[cniza]

Oil is oil, but the main reason is the Nile's water resources.

[A. Privalov]

if the PNS forces and pro-Turkish militants cross the Al-Jafra-Sirt line and occupy this city.

Sirte - I know where. What is Al Jafra? Maybe Al Jouf?
From Al-Jawf to Sirte on the old road 1200 km. You can’t control a car in 15 hours.
There is a continuous bare desert - stones with sand. Where are the troops to be sent there?

[Grazdanin]

Why did you do this ?! Why did they show the map ?! Why did they bring adequacy?))

[Oquzyurd]

Al-Jufra province is the territory where the district of the airport of Waddan in the center of Libya. Many confuse the names Al-Jufra with Al-Kufrah, a town in southern Libya, near the Egyptian border.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Al-Jufra province is the territory where the district of the airport of Waddan in the center of Libya. Many confuse the names Al-Jufra with Al-Kufrah, a town in southern Libya, near the Egyptian border.

Even worse. From the border of Egypt to the line Sirte - Waddan 1000 km without a single road through the desert.

[Oquzyurd]

Sisi only gets there by camel through the desert, or via the northern route, through Benghazi. But, after all, events take place in the center of Libya, and how is this connected with the security of the Egyptian border?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Sisi only gets there by camel through the desert, or via the northern route, through Benghazi. But, after all, events take place in the center of Libya, and how is this connected with the security of the Egyptian border?

There, all life is really only on the coast. East in the region of Egypt and to the south - darkness, a continuous dry desert. Egypt already has bandits in the Sinai desert and is afraid of getting a "second front" from this side as well. He still faces a war for the water of the Nile with the Ethiopians and Sudan. This is with the most terrible poverty with grain riots and with a population growing at an incredible pace.

[cniza]

He still has a war for the water of the Nile with the Ethiopians and Sudan.

It seems to me that this is the main reason, but he does not want to voice it.

[gorecc]

nothing, but the reason is to be sucked out of the finger, otherwise the UAE and the KSA are pushing so that Egypt (which they actively sponsor, including their military purchases) begins to move its rolls, otherwise the damned Ottomans are completely unbelted))

[gorecc]

Well, as I understand it from other sources, Al-Jufrah is a military air base, it seems to be located somewhere near the city of Waddan, which in turn is located 230 km south of Sirte

[Igor K]

But the roads are good, let them start.

[Graz]

I strongly doubt that the combat effectiveness of the Egyptian troops, they can perform purely police functions, the Turks can not afford

[Igor K]

The Egyptians have a better disposition for a first strike and further strangulation of the enemy in the absence of a rhythmic supply.

[alone]

Al Sisi hastened with a statement .. It seems he will have to fight with Ethiopia. Ethiopians "gently" sent Egypt and Sudan, starting to fill the dam without trilateral consent .. And a couple of days ago, the Ethiopian President visited Tripoli and met with Saraj ..
Filling the dam will lead to drought and destruction of the crop in Egypt ... and it will also hurt the economies of Egypt and Sudan very much ... Sudan is a little lucky to have Sudan taken after the dam. Then, in general, Egypt will get drops

[Alsur]

Quote: lonely

Al Sisi hastened with a statement .. It seems he will have to fight with Ethiopia. Ethiopians "gently" sent Egypt and Sudan, starting to fill the dam without trilateral consent .. And a couple of days ago, the Ethiopian President visited Tripoli and met with Saraj ..
Filling the dam will lead to drought and destruction of the crop in Egypt ... and it will also hurt the economies of Egypt and Sudan very much ... Sudan is a little lucky to have Sudan taken after the dam. Then, in general, Egypt will get drops

Why hurry up, this is not the first time Egypt will send troops to Libya. I think this is not an unfounded statement.

[cniza]

At the same time, the NTC Faiza Saraj refused to participate in negotiations in the format of the League of Arab States, saying that such a meeting "would lead to a split in the Arab world."

It seems that Erdogan decided to fight on several fronts, and even with Greece on the brink of war.

[Igor K]

Yell.

[steelmaker]

And in Africa, after the United States, international law does not work. By right of a strong one. And Egypt needs to train its armed forces. And Libya is suitable for this!

[TatarinSSSR]

In short, Libya is like a ring, where several countries decided to compete against each other. Mostly neighbors.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Zaurbek

The elite in the Russian Federation is hindered by assets abroad .... nothing more.

They already lubricate skates))

"The demand among Russian citizens to buy a second home abroad and obtain a foreign passport has grown by 20% in recent years. Such data are given in a study by Knight Frank. The most popular destinations are Italy, Spain and Cyprus. Restrictions that were introduced due to the pandemic COVID-19 prompted our elite to dramatically intensify their activities in obtaining citizenship of other countries.According to the same Cyprus, in January-May 2020, there were 30% more applications from Russian moneybags who want to buy real estate on the island. These figures were going to flee from Russia, if suddenly the situation here gets out of control? "

[sen]

In Saudi Arabia, a statement was made that Egypt has every right to use its troops to protect its borders from militants who are used in the PNS.

But will Saudi Arabia be able to finance the supply of Russian weapons to Egypt?

[Petrik66]

The Egyptians and Libyans have proven their ability to shake off enchanting people from their opponents, in principle, like all Arab armies. Obviously, in the Middle East, armies serve as a good feeding trough for local samurai, who are sick of work as such, well, sheikhs need to be attached somewhere, so the officer corps is ready. Masters of participation in local showdowns with local bearded men, running from the Armed Forces to all kinds of fighters, then "seeing", especially after the bombing by Russians, Americans or their own falcons and pacification. Again - the supply of internal foes with free equipment supplied for money or without, naive American, Soviet, Russian gullible brothers or no less naive Saudi sheikhs. But honor and respect from local gopniks and hicks, who were too lazy to enroll in the detachments of motorized camels. Participation in revolutions also brings baksheesh, and the "right thing" will be paid either for what you do not betray, or for what you betray in time. And now, this is all, will go to bayonets at each other. Residents of Antalya and HURGHADA, having ceased to distribute drinks to German pensioners and our vovans from Tagil, will go into battle. You just need to understand which of them will be Rommel, and who will be Montgomery. We stock up on popcorn and watch. And to Erdogan a separate respect and respect, this is how a real politician is done, out of the blue, find problems for yourself, this is a world-class politician.

[kriten]

Arabs hate Turks. And everything that will be done against them - whether by arbs, Kurds, or by someone else - is only to Russia's advantage. This is not an ally but an enemy and a deceiver, a sponsor of terrorists of all stripes.

[Sergey Ivanov_15]

Well, the Egyptians do not like Turks, they hate, like the British !!! So many years of blood and occupation !!! The Mustachioed Sultan is not in the lump, that for the second time the GDP will not help with the information about the coup in Turkey !!! There are many countries in eliminating the mustachioed interested, not even considering the striped evil !!!