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NI: We never found out if NATO’s anti-Communist invasion plan worked

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NI: We never found out if NATO’s anti-Communist invasion plan worked

The American magazine National Interest published an article that talks about the confrontation between the USSR (Warsaw Pact) and NATO.


Browser Robert Farley writes that the United States had a program that calculated the specific number of Soviet people to be destroyed by nuclear weapons. It is added that with all the power of the North Atlantic Alliance, it is not at all obvious that it was able to defeat the Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS).

From the article:

The Warsaw Pact had huge material advantages and a well-thought-out planning mechanism that brought all the partners in the alliance (that is, Soviet satellites) into a single whole.

Further, the author writes the following:

Fortunately, the Soviet Union decided to disappear, and we never knew if NATO’s plan to combat the invasion of the Communists would work.

The concept of conducting a potential war against the ATS “in case of a communist invasion” is considered. One of the directions of this concept is “active defense in the air”, as well as the destruction of “Soviet armored units breaking through the line of defense”.

From the material:

In the end, this will lead to a foiled, disconnected Soviet offensive that would allow the seizure of territory, but could not destroy the ability of NATO to fight. At that time, NATO was counting on potential attacks against countries included in the Warsaw Pact, where, as hoped, the pro-Soviet governments would collapse.

Several components of the NATO and ATS war are examined. One example is the naval. The observer writes that the carrier forces and landing formations were the main striking force. In particular, the landing was planned to be used to capture relatively small areas in the Arctic, on the Pacific and Black Sea coast of the USSR.



From the article:

This would be tantamount to distracting raids, but, nevertheless, it was a way to use NATO’s naval superiority and create new problems for the Russians that needed to be addressed.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 21 June 2020 09: 02
    20
    there have always been many plans to capture and attack from NATO and others that have joined ... BUT neither the Warsaw Pact ... nor the USSR would they defeat ... other people ... Soviet people ... as it turned out, they can be temporarily defeated only by betrayal from above
    1. WILL
      WILL 21 June 2020 09: 15
      +5
      Russia also will not learn to “win” without receiving unacceptable damage!
      I hope those who can make decisions about the attack do not want to transfer the planet to the complete use of cockroaches ...
      Destroy Friend - Friend Can defeat No! Parity.
      It is very sad that now the Security Mechanisms created in due time are breaking down with such difficulty! Contracts are broken, for example, the DRSM, ABM, START, all this does not make our life safer.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 21 June 2020 09: 33
        12
        Please note that all the plans of NATO and the United States and Britain-France * to repel aggression * began with the planning of the bombing of the territory of the Soviet Union and the landing from aircraft ships.
        Technological progress was stepping up and plans for * repelling aggression * were keeping pace with it. Now the beginning * of repelling aggression * was already planned by launching missiles with nuclear warheads and only then bombing and landing. But always all plans provided for the destruction of most of the Soviet citizens.
        The NATO even divided into * humanists * and * radicals *. * Humanists * planned the destruction of 60% of the population, * radicals * planned the complete destruction of ALL CITIZENS OF THE SOVIET UNION.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 21 June 2020 12: 07
          12
          NI: We never found out if NATO’s anti-Communist invasion plan worked

          The author cunningly turns everything in history upside down. Namely.

          First of all. The Warsaw Pact was concluded in response to NATO and above all for the militarization of Germany.
          And secondly, precisely The Warsaw Pact became a guarantee of peace and the basis of the military-strategic balance in Europe.

          However, contrary to this, the author is trying to shield and justify the existence of NATO in the eyes of the world community, blaming its existence not just on the ATS, but on the USSR / Russia.
          And it is noteworthy at the same time that this Goebbel-style propaganda American article was published just on the eve of the 24th anniversary Victory Parade 75 in Moscow on June 2020!
          Shame on the American author as a provocateur-pseudo-expert!

          WARSAW CONTRACT. Declassified Pages. Published: • Apr 27 2016 year
          1. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 10
            +1
            "... Shame on the American author as a pseudo-expert provocateur! ..."
            - Shame on the police state - the United States, the world's greatest killer and terrorist, a professional liar and a scammer.
            - shame !!!
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 21 June 2020 09: 35
        -8
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Destroy Friend - Friend Can defeat No! Parity.

        This statement is only as erroneous as the concepts of parity are incorrect on their and our part. Their parity has long been lower than ours, if we evaluate it by the state, armament, quantity, interaction and fighting spirit of the opposing armies.
        If, nevertheless, it comes to military confrontation, then there can be no war with truces, because then it will last forever.
        All measures must be taken to ensure that at least all the participants in the military confrontation sign acts of universal and complete surrender - no half measures and deferrals can be taken into account until the occupation :: the act of surrender is signed - the regulations for the withdrawal of our occupying forces.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 21 June 2020 14: 12
          -4
          What, liberda, do not like the considerations of a Russian person?
          So it’s better for you to move away from your state leadership, otherwise they will lead you to 3 MB, which will end without starting, but you will be defeated.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 22 June 2020 06: 34
            -2
            No, liberda, now you think for yourself: here you are drowning for NATO, for its victorious march, for the fact that this dirty crust will be defeated ...
            Do you already have a little imagination to look forward?
            What did the Americans do when World War II began?
            That's right, they immediately started repressions and in a few days gathered almost 700 thousand Japanese civilians in concentration camps (the camps, though they were built a little earlier). Then look at the pace of construction of field hospitals 3-4 months ago in Russia and compare ...
            Do you think that in the event of a NATO attack on Russia, Russia will behave in some other way?
            Never another, and it will do exactly the same as the United States - thank God, there is someone to take an example with: the United States considered yupps to be America’s internal enemy - and how does a liberal in Russia differ from yapps in the United States ?!
            That's it ... laughing laughing
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 11
          0
          there can be no war with truces, for then it will last forever.

          - AHA,
          bows, wooden spears and stone axes
          8 - ((
      3. iouris
        iouris 21 June 2020 11: 01
        -1
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Russia also will not learn to “win” without receiving unacceptable damage!

        If it worked once, then why didn’t it work the other time? The same schemes always work. Here the island of Manhattan was bought from the Indians for a few glass beads. Now on the island a square meter costs, probably, millions of US dollars.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 21 June 2020 14: 21
          +3
          And what difference does it make for our nuclear weapons WHAT to glass - Manhattan or Warsaw: missiles know where to fly! It will be beautiful with Manhattan :: first it will warm up during glass transition, and then the Poseidon will explode and immediately flood 15o km from the coastline
          The main thing is that these are territories of Russophobes and our enemies who want to do harm to us.
          And if minke whales, starting a war from Polish territory, will still survive, if only because they have a nation of much larger numbers than the Polish ethnos, then the Poles, starting a war from their home, have the opportunity to stay alive, and even with their statehood, completely lost.
          Tell me, Poles, why do you need a war that you are guaranteed to lose ???
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 13
          0
          Here the island of Manhattan was bought from the Indians for a few glass beads. Now on the island a square meter costs, probably, millions of US dollars.

          - no, the highest profitability - FROM PRINTING MACHINE
          8-)))
          - somewhere "beads for Manhattan" ...
          8-))
    2. major147
      major147 21 June 2020 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      as it turned out, you can only temporarily defeat betrayal from above

      "All means are good in war" (c)
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 21 June 2020 11: 49
        +1
        Armies of only lazy states did not enter Russia. Both the British and Americans have already tried to occupy Russia, the French and Japanese also
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 22 June 2020 06: 44
          0
          Then strain your memory and remember the state in which these armies left Russia (fled, draped, carried away, taken away, covered with flags, buried by bulldozers ...)
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 26
          0
          "... Both the British and the Americans have already tried to occupy Russia, the French and the Japanese also ..."
          - “Enlightened” Europe has an interesting tradition.
          once in a hundred years - to gather the ENTIRE LOT - and go "to conquer Russia" ...
          8-))

          The poem below was Pushkin’s reaction to the mass campaign in France for military intervention on the side of Poland during the suppression of the Polish uprising by Russia. Gilbert Lafayette, Francois Mogin, General Maximilian Lamarck and other deputies of France spoke in the Chamber of Deputies with fiery speeches, calling for military action against Russia.
          Etc.
          What are you noisy about, folk-like?
          Why anathema threaten you Russia?
          What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
          Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
          Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
          A question that you will not solve.

          For a long time among themselves
          These tribes are at war;
          More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
          Theirs, then our side.
          Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
          Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
          Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
          Will it run dry? here is the question.

          Leave us: you have not read
          These bloody tablets;
          It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
          This is a family feud;
          The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
          Pointlessly seduces you
          Fights of desperate courage -
          And you hate us ...

          For what? answer: for whether
          What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
          We did not recognize the brazen will
          Who were you trembling under?
          For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
          We are an idol gravitating over kingdoms (Napoleon - ed.)
          And redeemed with our blood
          Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..

          You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
          Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
          Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
          Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
          Or should we argue with Europe new?
          Il Russian weaned from victories?
          Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
          From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
          From the shocked Kremlin
          To the walls of immobile China,
          Shiny bristles,
          Will not the Russian land rise? ..
          So send it to us, Vitia,
          His angry sons:
          There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
          Among the coffins that are not theirs.
          ("Slanderers of Russia" Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin. 1831)
      2. iouris
        iouris 21 June 2020 12: 51
        -1
        Quote: major147
        "All means are good in war" (c)

        Can't you come to war? Is this a "remedy"?
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 29
          0
          But can I not come to war?


          - It is possible.
          For example, Russia - Iak and "did not appear" to the war with Ukraine ...
          8-))
          - But how could that Moska be torn!
          8-)))
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 21 June 2020 09: 05
    19
    It is added that with all the power of the North Atlantic Alliance, it is not at all obvious that it was able to defeat the Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS).

    I would say that defeating the USSR was not real without dying ourselves. And here you can argue as much as you like, but the fact remains that the USSR was the strongest state in the world, not inferior, but in many ways superior to the enemy.
    Fortunately, the Soviet Union decided to disappear, and we never knew if NATO’s plan to combat the invasion of the Communists would work.

    Fortunately for the enemies and unfortunately for hundreds of millions of Soviet citizens .. the traitors never suffered either moral or physical punishment .. on the contrary .. monuments are put up and pensions are paid ..
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 21 June 2020 09: 12
      13
      They did not suffer any punishment during their lifetime, maybe they will be tried by another court, Although I would not really hope for that court, it was always customary to execute such people in the square publicly.
    2. Courier
      Courier 21 June 2020 09: 30
      24 th
      The United States has been and remains the strongest state. The union therefore collapsed because it could not stand the struggle. If in the 60s Khrushchev could still be in the Caribbean crisis, then in the 80s, everything was obvious. No betrayal, but a natural impasse, the jammed record of communism.
      1. Lebed
        Lebed 21 June 2020 10: 03
        +2
        All empires fall apart, and the United States is no exception (funny, they consider themselves exceptional). It's a question of time.
        1. iouris
          iouris 21 June 2020 12: 50
          -4
          Quote: Lebed
          All empires fall apart

          And what is "empire"? Is Russia an empire?
          1. saigon
            saigon 21 June 2020 14: 46
            +3
            Empire is a country with an IDEA!
            The empire should be tempted to conditional barbarians, joining the empire gave stability and involvement in the construction of the empire, in fact any state has the signs of an empire, any in which different peoples live.
            The Russian Federation is an empire, but it is a fragment of the former Soviet and Russian empire, but it is the central region of the former empires.
            But with the idea strained.
      2. poquello
        poquello 21 June 2020 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: Courier
        The United States has been and remains the strongest state. The union therefore collapsed because it could not stand the struggle. If in the 60s Khrushchev could still be in the Caribbean crisis, then in the 80s, everything was obvious. No betrayal, but a natural impasse, the jammed record of communism.

        they believed in such noodles at the time of the collapse of the USSR, and they could not have destroyed 60% of the population with all their wishes, for everything was calculated by the Civil Defense Organization, and naive Gorbachev and not the army merged the positions of the USSR
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 21 June 2020 12: 06
          +9
          Quote: poquello
          and merged the positions of the USSR naive Gorbachev and not the army

          He was not naive, he was a stupid, greedy, corrupt and talkative protege of Andropov.
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 21 June 2020 10: 51
        +5
        Quote: Courier
        The United States has been and remains the strongest state.
        We don’t argue No. were and let them stay ... we'll see ...

        Quote: Courier
        The union therefore collapsed because it could not stand the struggle.

        Quote: Courier
        If in the 60s Khrushchev could still be in the Caribbean crisis, then in the 80s, everything was obvious

        What a fight? Military? Yes, no NATA I did not dare to squeak against the USSR neither in the deep sea, nor in the stratosphere .... Ask former NATO members.

        Quote: Courier
        No betrayal, but a natural dead end, jammed record communesisma.

        Ism ... nothing to do with it No. (example, China), and the thirst for profit overpowered the traitors of the ideas of Mars and Lenin-Stalin. When capitalist shit began to take shape and manifest itself: Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Abramovich and other public ...
        By the way, some still remain parasitic on the ridge of the working people ...
        1. Courier
          Courier 21 June 2020 10: 57
          -4
          It was the United States that raised China, just as they raised Japan and South Korea.

          Did not pick? They growled actively, I would say, especially Reagan.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 21 June 2020 11: 14
            +5
            Quote: Courier
            It was the United States that raised China, just as they raised Japan and South Korea.

            In this I agree to ... 120% yes Only the infusion of the US (plundered around the world) of funds (investments) into the economies of these countries allowed them to rise. At the same time, on the USSR and Russia, only pressure with sanctions, restrictions, blocking, bribery of officials, the organization of the "fifth column" ... Yes, you can see it yourself (and maybe even participate ...)

            Quote: Courier
            Did not pick? They growled actively, I would say, especially Reagan.

            You mean his idiotic joke about bombing the Soviet Union? in 1984? So the first to be shocked and really scared were the Americans themselves.
            And even in that period, the apotheosis of the Cold War, American officials cringed crying began to assure Moscow that the president’s joke did not reflect the policy of the White House and that the US had no military plans
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 21 June 2020 20: 15
            +3
            Quote: Courier
            It was the United States that raised China, just as they raised Japan and South Korea.

            Did not pick? They growled actively, I would say, especially Reagan.


            Snarled? belay I remember that the Yankees decided to kill Gaddafi - the fleet, the aircraft were overtaken, let's bomb. "Out of nowhere ..." - 2 Soviet ships silently stood on the roadstead of Tripoli. The Americans were warned - God forbid, something will happen to them ... And Gaddafi successfully ruled a prosperous country for another 20 years laughing The Yankees could not oppose anything in a military-political sense to an absolutely unpredictable Union - remember the same "Caribbean crisis", it turned out to be a crisis for them, and the Union, as a result, got rid of many threats on its borders. Well, and hinted: if anything, you have no chance. The Yankees "washed up". laughing drinks
      4. Malyuta
        Malyuta 21 June 2020 12: 03
        +9
        Quote: Courier
        The United States has been and remains the strongest state. The union therefore collapsed because it could not stand the struggle.

        It is not true! The Soviet Union was divided exclusively by traitors and agents of influence.
        The Great Patriotic War showed that it is impossible to destroy the USSR either by military, or economic, or political influence, therefore, it is exceptional only to undermine from the inside at the expense of traitors.
        Kuusinen, andropov, Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Eltsin is an incomplete list of traitors.
        1. iouris
          iouris 21 June 2020 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Malyuta
          The Soviet Union was divided exclusively by traitors and agents of influence.

          They "dismembered" in order to become owners and shareholders of "nornickels", "savings banks", "deputies", "siloviki" ...., owners of markets selling "tomatoes", etc., or so, for interest: look , "and what is it there - inside"?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 21 June 2020 12: 42
            +3
            Quote: iouris
            They "dismembered" to become owners

            Well, of course, for the "gingerbread", but under the supervision of an older brother.
            1. iouris
              iouris 21 June 2020 12: 47
              0
              Okay. Move on. And now what about the "supervision", is it there or was it dropped?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 21 June 2020 12: 58
                0
                Quote: iouris
                And now what about the "supervision", is it there or was it dropped?

                Trying to lose, for themselves, loved ones.
                1. iouris
                  iouris 21 June 2020 16: 20
                  0
                  Have you got up from your knees?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 June 2020 17: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: iouris
                    Have you got up from your knees?

                    Yeah, in an interesting pose.
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 21 June 2020 13: 00
                +6
                Quote: iouris
                Okay. Move on. And now what about the "supervision", is it there or was it dropped?

                Why do you ask such questions, given that a confirmed 1,5 trillion have been exported from Russia, and 3 trillion dollars worth of experts have been exported. hi
      5. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 22 June 2020 14: 51
        0
        No betrayal, but a natural impasse, the jammed record of communism


        - about the "jammed record" - tell the Chinese about it.
        Let them laugh ...

        China's GDP by years: 1992 - 2019 (at current prices, IMF data):
        1992 - 495.6 billion dollars + 19%
        1993 - 623.0 billion dollars + 25%
        1994 - 566.4 billion dollars -10%
        1995 - 736.8 billion dollars + 30%
        1996 - 867.2 billion dollars + 17%
        1997 - 965.3 billion dollars + 11%
        1998 - 1 trillion. 032.5 billion dollars + 7%
        1999 - 1 trillion. 097.1 billion dollars + 6%
        2000 - 1 trillion. 214.9 billion dollars + 10%
        2001 - 1 trillion. 344.0 billion dollars + 10%
        2002 - 1 trillion. 477.5 billion dollars + 9.8%
        2003 - 1 trillion. 671.0 billion dollars + 13%
        2004 - 1 trillion. 966.2 billion dollars + 17%
        2005 - 2 trillion. 308.8 billion dollars + 17%
        2006 - 2 trillion. 774.2 billion dollars + 20%
        2007 - 3 trillion. 571.4 billion dollars + 28%
        2008 - 4 trillion. 604.2 billion dollars + 29%
        2009 - 5 trillion. 121.6 billion dollars + 11%
        2010 - 6 trillion. 066.3 billion dollars + 18%
        2011 - 7 trillion. 522.1 billion dollars + 24%
        2012 - 8 trillion. 570.3 billion dollars + 14%
        2013 - 9 trillion. 635.0 billion dollars + 12%
        2014 - 10 trillion. 534.5 billion dollars + 9%
        2015 - 11 trillion. 226.1 billion dollars + 7%
        2016 - 11 trillion. 221.8 billion dollars - 4%
        2017 - 12 trillion. 062.2 billion dollars + 7%
        2018 - 13 trillion. 407.3 billion dollars + 11%
        2019 - 14 trillion. 216.5 billion dollars (forecast) + 6%
  3. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 21 June 2020 09: 08
    -4
    In this hypothetical war, there would be no winners if you hadn’t planned
  4. Benedict
    Benedict 21 June 2020 09: 15
    +3
    Of course, Russia is not the USSR, but in principle nothing has changed .. The West liked the "Russian threat" so much that the rhetoric practically did not change ..
    And most importantly, we already specifically understood on ourselves. What is Western Imperialism and double standards ..
  5. knn54
    knn54 21 June 2020 09: 34
    13
    After the collapse of the socialist camp, experts from the United States studied the equipment left in the GDR from the ASUV complex (Automated command and control system and were in shock, it would take literally a few days to defeat NATO.
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 June 2020 12: 40
      0
      And I was shocked when "experts from the United States examined the equipment from the ACCS complex that remained in the GDR."
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 21 June 2020 20: 19
        0
        Quote: iouris
        And I was shocked when "experts from the United States examined the equipment from the ACCS complex that remained in the GDR."

        Whether the experts studied it or not, I don’t know. But ASUV was there.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 09: 38
    +5
    The death of the empire called the USSR happened because its population stopped believing. Believe that the enemy is around, and his only goal is to destroy the country! They put on a sheep's skin, pretended to be white and fluffy, jeans, chewing gum, friendship, hey ... Well, the enemies in the leadership who promoted the "combiner" to the highest position ... The further we go from this time, the clearer many things become .. USA LOST competition with the USSR. In a global sense. But they managed to poison their enemy INSIDE ...
    1. Courier
      Courier 21 June 2020 10: 26
      11 th
      The United States closed the Union in its shell, along with part of Eastern Europe, and that’s all. The union was isolated. In such conditions do not win
      1. poquello
        poquello 21 June 2020 13: 20
        -1
        Quote: Courier
        The United States closed the Union in its shell, along with part of Eastern Europe, and that’s all. The union was isolated. In such conditions do not win



        and de?
    2. poquello
      poquello 21 June 2020 10: 41
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The death of the empire called the USSR happened because its population stopped believing. Believe that the enemy is around, and his only goal is to destroy the country! They put on a sheep's skin, pretended to be white and fluffy, jeans, chewing gum, friendship, hey ... Well, the enemies in the leadership who promoted the "combiner" to the highest position ... The further we go from this time, the clearer many things become .. USA LOST competition with the USSR. In a global sense. But they managed to poison their enemy INSIDE ...

      mouth, school ideologists fucking, instead of a brain a sickle and a hammer

      Note by the Department of Science and Culture of the CPSU Central Committee on the "negative role in the cause of communist education" of western song and dance music

      2 August 1954 g
      Central Committee of the CPSU

      Recently, the Department of Science and Culture of the Central Committee of the CPSU began to receive signals about a new over-distribution of Western song-dance music in everyday life. The latter sounds daily for many hours in pioneer camps, in sanatoriums, rest homes, summer gardens and parks, railway trains, in stadiums, etc., i.e. in places of rest and the most crowded places.
      The main "conductor" of this American, English and German mass music is a record.
      In the middle of last year, as directed by ex. USSR Minister of Culture, Comrade Ponomarenko, dance music began to be performed much more widely on the radio, and the production of phonograph records of this genre increased.
      However, while radio recordings of modern dance music are in most cases transmitted in a certain proportion (with recordings of Soviet music, light dance Russian music), then in places of mass rest where there is virtually no control, “western” recordings became the main ones in radio broadcasting . Once again, they became enormously popular among young people, determining their tastes, causing unhealthy excitement in acquiring precisely such records, in an increased interest in music programs from foreign radio stations, etc.

  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 June 2020 09: 46
    -7
    They themselves fell apart, without the Communists. Both you and the Union.
    1. DWG1905
      DWG1905 21 June 2020 10: 50
      -1
      NATO would certainly have blown through, the Americans on our territory would not have used their nuclear weapons, everyone would like to live. Together with us, we would have united Western and Eastern Europe. I think the fighting would stop because of the senselessness of the war for the radioactive desert. We didn’t fall apart, we took a breather by throwing part of the ballast overboard (we didn’t prevent individual fools from jumping overboard), this is cruel, but there was no other way out. And now the process of forming a new empire in Eurasia is underway, this is a natural process, because a land empire is more economically efficient, only an empire can provide protection to small nations, a sales market, etc. And Europe for the center of Eurasia is a province somewhere out there, it is interesting only from the point of view of access to the ocean for trade and defense, since it is easier to defend the coast. This is lyrics, but in reality we were ahead of NATO in the deployment of troops, plus a small depth of territory to the English Channel. Plus the dubious combat readiness of the Europeans, except for the Germans and the British.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 21 June 2020 11: 10
        -1
        Yes, it was clear to everyone, we remember Davy Crocket, and what for was he needed? Turn Kusman Europe into a clearing with glass ...
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 June 2020 10: 08
    +2
    I dare to suggest that such plans could well exist on both sides of the conflict.
    The happiness that they were not destined to materialize.
    I wish all of us that the apocalyptic scenarios of such clashes remain only on the pages of books on alternative history, where their authors can give free rein to their indefatigable imagination. hi
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 21 June 2020 20: 27
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I dare to suggest that such plans could well exist on both sides of the conflict.
      The happiness that they were not destined to materialize.
      I wish all of us that the apocalyptic scenarios of such clashes remain only on the pages of books on alternative history, where their authors can give free rein to their indefatigable imagination. hi

      Of course, both sides had plans, but they were not implemented for various reasons: there was nothing for us to fight there, and the Yankees were afraid to get on the head.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 June 2020 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Doliva63

        Of course, both sides had plans, but they were not implemented for various reasons: there was nothing for us to fight there, and the Yankees were afraid to get on the head.

        What an owl about a stump, what a stump about an owl.
        And the Americans did not have anything to climb into the USSR for, and the USSR was specifically afraid to rake in full.
        I repeat: happiness, that’s so. yes
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 21 June 2020 21: 09
          +1
          "And there was nothing for the Americans to get into the USSR for ..."
          True? Why did you climb all the time? Our "powers", it seems, did not fly over them. And the USSR was not afraid of anything. Well, really, there was a moment - they were afraid to clap, as in 41.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 22 June 2020 07: 07
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            "And there was nothing for the Americans to get into the USSR for ..."
            True? Why did you climb all the time? Our "powers", it seems, did not fly over them. And the USSR was not afraid of anything. Well, really, there was a moment - they were afraid to clap, as in 41.

            What climbed? Try to guess and don't disappoint me.
            The USSR would very, very much like to fly. "Powers" would have been found, but at that moment he had nothing except for a steam-driven chaise.
            As for the 41st, comparisons are inappropriate. It’s even funny to talk about it. hi
  9. SS-18
    SS-18 21 June 2020 10: 21
    +6
    history has no subjunctive mood ..
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 June 2020 12: 40
      0
      Are the prospects bright?
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 21 June 2020 10: 34
    0
    So you have to rejoice that no one checked anything and was not convinced!
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2020 10: 35
    -2
    An interesting situation is developing, the USSR has always supported the Negro population and other colored minorities of America in terms of the fight against racism. And now, after almost 30 years from the date of the termination of its existence, an answer came from him and what God is now waiting for the United States alone knows. Hence the conclusion - do not dig a hole for another, you yourself can get into it. Politicians need to think.
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      An interesting situation is developing, the USSR has always supported the Negro population and other colored minorities of America in terms of the fight against racism. And now, after almost 30 years from the date of the termination of its existence, an answer came from him and what God is now waiting for the United States alone knows. Hence the conclusion - do not dig a hole for another, you yourself can get into it. Politicians need to think.

      The USSR supported ... An otvetka arrived ... Riots in the USA ...
      I feel in my gut that the thought is correct, but I cannot formulate it.
      Could you clarify: who was standing on whom, who was digging to whom and whose
      Quote: Ros 56
      Politicians need to think.

      Could you somehow structure your stream of consciousness?
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 June 2020 10: 35
    +2
    would allow to seize territory, but could not destroy NATO's ability to fight
    As the practice of the last 30 years (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria ...) shows, NATO is able to fight only against a weak enemy and preferably without air defense means. And to meet in a direct military confrontation, eye to eye, what could happen in those years on the border with Western Europe are not at all capable of. Therefore, in general, was it worth discussing what would happen if, if only?
  13. Doccor18
    Doccor18 21 June 2020 10: 50
    +3
    NATO’s anti-Communist invasion plan would work.

    If the Communists conceived an invasion, the capitalists would have remained only overseas. No options.
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 June 2020 12: 57
      -3
      Quote: Doccor18
      If the Communists conceived an invasion,

      First, it was not "conceived" but implemented. Secondly, for whom the "communists" and for whom the "Russians". Third, who needs capitalism "only overseas"? That's right - no one.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 21 June 2020 11: 03
    -1
    The meaning of the article is that the USSR fell apart, otherwise it would have been hard.
  15. meandr51
    meandr51 21 June 2020 11: 04
    0
    They would simply run away when they heard the clang of tracks of Soviet tanks.
    When in 1968, during the seizure of Czechoslovakia, a small Soviet column mistakenly entered the territory of Germany, the Bundes border guards lurked like mice under a broom and phoned the tank unit along the column. Those just ran home. If the leading car did not understand the signs on the road, then they could capture the whole of Germany without a fight ...
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 21 June 2020 13: 01
    -1
    NI is a very tricky edition, a kind of nesting doll in which a Russian-speaking person sits through a slot. The founder of the publication, A. Simes, is a frequent guest on our TV (a native of the USSR) as an expert on Washington affairs. It especially brings that this edition likes to cite in its program (Postscript) A. Pushkov, as an "example of active intrigues of the West" - SUDDENLY being one of the editors of this magazine.
    So I would be skeptical about discussing information from this publication ..
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 10: 11
      0
      And what's wrong with that
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      in which a Russian-speaking person sits through the slot. Founder of the publication A.Simes is a frequent guest on our TV (native of the USSR)

      And is Pushkov one of the editors?
      You probably like DW, BBC and Radio Liberty better ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 22 June 2020 11: 46
        0
        You see, it turns out to be a very funny thing. The dude who sits with us in the position of "chairman of the committee for international affairs of the state Duma" (if I'm not mistaken), and also conducts an analytical program devoted to 2/3 sinister intrigues and intrigues of the West - (OUT OF THE BOARD!) Turns out to be one of the editors Western magazine, which we (most often by the way) are quoted in the context of "this is how they think in America." Moreover, the subject himself often (yes, each of his programs) quotes this magazine.
        What bothers me? The fact that the comrade angrily stigmatizes those who receive salaries and grants from the West - and at the same time he is in a position that gives a great opportunity to receive grants from the West.
        That in a collective of a large number of former (and current) citizens of Russia / former USSR, they write articles that reflect "our view of how the United States looks at us" rather than simply "the view of the United States." Consciously or unconsciously - with or without intent, and for whose money is a good question.

        Zs, I don’t listen to the radio at all and the name DW does not tell me anything. Probably here you really know me more)
  17. Junior Private
    Junior Private 21 June 2020 13: 31
    +2
    All these false scribblers, painstakingly forget to mention that on the other side of socialist ideas, terror has stood and continues to stand in a capitalist guise, under the flag of which any crimes are still committed and justified.
    And the Communists continue to scare children and law-abiding taxpayers.
  18. Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 48
    0
    "It would be tantamount to a distraction, but it nonetheless represented a way to exploit NATO's naval superiority and create new problems for the Russians to solve."

    That is, NATO created all "naval superiority" for the sake of distracting raids? Expensive ...