In Ukraine: Neptune missile can reach ships in Novorossiysk

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In Ukraine: Neptune missile can reach ships in Novorossiysk

In Ukraine, they comment on the capabilities of their Neptune cruise missile, the tests of which ended a few days ago. Earlier, a statement was published in Ukrainian media stating that such a missile could "destroy the Crimean bridge."

New statements are no less odious. So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhirokhov) stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.



The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other targets, including "targets around the occupied Crimea."

The Neptune anti-ship cruise missile in Ukraine is endowed with the most incredible properties, up to the “impossibility of interception”. However, not everyone thinks so. Even the same Zhirokhov said that Russia has every opportunity to repel an attack carried out with the help of such missiles. However, he added that the Russian Federation has such opportunities “on paper”.

Zhirokhov:

The development of the Neptune rocket was carried out to contain the Black Sea fleet RF But the problem is that Ukraine is unlikely to find funds for its serial production. In addition, the missile system must be covered by a mobile anti-aircraft missile system. But while Ukraine does not have such a complex.

In Russia, they respond to expert statements with the following comments:

It is good that the Ukrainian military expert understands the following fact: if they really intend to use launchers from the Neptune Kyrgyz Republic against Russian Black Sea Fleet bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, these installations will be destroyed before the first attempt to launch a missile.

The country is controlled from the outside, and they remember everything about Crimea. Now Novorossiysk has already gathered.

"Neptune" refers to the class of subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles. The developer previously stated that it can be used as a percussion instrument against ships with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons, as well as against some coastal targets. The maximum range is 300 km.

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    1. +25
      21 June 2020 08: 13
      To want does not mean to be able to! wink
      1. +35
        21 June 2020 08: 44
        This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities. No, of course they can try to launch - just I do not think that subsonic anti-ship missiles are such a difficult target for air defense .... but the return will fly - it will not seem enough! In general, having received such a statement, not from the Expedition, but from the persons making the Decisions, it is necessary to act in advance, destroy the hell and production and all available stocks.
        1. +24
          21 June 2020 09: 23
          Quote: ANIMAL
          In general, having received such a statement, not from the Expedition, but from the persons making the Decisions, it is necessary to be proactive, destroy the hell and production and all available stocks.

          This must be learned from Israel. Those Iranians are bombing despite NATO, the UN, and so on ...
          1. +3
            21 June 2020 11: 22
            Quote: NEXUS
            This must be learned from Israel. Those Iranians bomb despite NATO, the UN, etc.

            Until our (I mean .... rulers) do not learn to "give" on hands "(and the same on the brain) all that ....". am .... "from the side of the" horses "will continue.
            Although what is easier, to declare "country 404" terrorist (there are full precedents - seizure of ships and hostages, undermining power lines, sabotage on a water pipeline, persecution and spread rot of the Russian-speaking population and its destruction) and that's it ........ "mouth" skakuas opened and ..... "caliber"
            in the "pumpkin" received.
            And everything will end very quickly and ... "ahead of schedule".
            But for this it is necessary ........... but here we have, unfortunately ... not at all soldier This is IMHO
            1. +2
              21 June 2020 16: 15
              Quote: ancient
              Until our (I mean .... rulers) do not learn to "give"

              To do this, at least you do not need to talk and behave like a liberal trash.
            2. -1
              22 June 2020 08: 53
              and ..... "caliber"
              in the "pumpkin" received.


              Why is it so weak? Maybe it's better to start with a missile with a nuclear filling? It’s easier than one - the second such expert in the trunk of a car and in Mordovia to feed mosquitoes for 10-15 years so that others would follow the "broom".
              1. -1
                22 June 2020 10: 09
                Quote: private person
                Why so weak?

                That is why, that ... "weakly" .. we are reviled by all and sundry and at every corner ... but we only inflate our cheeks on Twitter and express our concern.
                What is so about us ... about a nuclear power, so .. "they wipe their feet"? recourse
                Quote: private person
                Maybe it's better right away with a nuclear missile?

                Filling ... it's in pies wassat and .. "will bring everything to us" ..... have you ever heard about the "wind rose"?
                .
                Quote: private person
                It’s easier than one - the second such expert in the trunk of a car and in Mordovia to feed mosquitoes for 10-15 years so that others would follow the "broom".

                Here are terrorists, .. "letting go" ... and you are going to take someone out there in the .. "trunk" ... to take out .... it's not even funny ...
                . "THEY" in "that" direction even ....... are afraid to look wassat
        2. +9
          21 June 2020 09: 30
          Quote: ANIMAL
          This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities.

          Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.
          1. +5
            21 June 2020 10: 05
            Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

            Svidomye Mriy laughing laughing laughing
            1. +6
              21 June 2020 11: 01
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

              Svidomye Mriy laughing laughing laughing

              Let my respected fellow countryman add his "drop of tar" to Svidomo's barrel of the same substance.
              "The financial condition of Ukraine may cause" serious problems "at the stage of serial production of Neptune. Several months ago, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant, the only producer of solid fuel for the complex in Ukraine, practically stopped its work, about 700 highly qualified specialists were dismissed."
            2. +9
              21 June 2020 12: 08
              Something quickly skakuasy Debaltseve and Ilovaisk forgot their frightened faces when crossing the Russian border!
              1. 0
                22 June 2020 18: 59
                In Debaltseve, you drove the Ukrainians into the boiler?
                1. 0
                  24 June 2020 15: 57
                  If necessary, I will also drive you, I have experience ...
                  1. 0
                    24 June 2020 20: 18
                    Pampers do not forget to change, warrior
                    1. 0
                      25 June 2020 08: 43
                      Not a "warrior", but a military pensioner, 23 years of service, with 30 benefits. He retired from injury, a retired colonel ... Something like this, diaper master, "Pediatrilo". It's a pity you didn't get to me ...
                    2. 0
                      25 June 2020 08: 56
                      With a broken spine, "Exercise No. 8 from NFP" I still perform perfectly well ... And you only have thoughts about diapers!
                    3. 0
                      25 June 2020 09: 38
                      Phone number, size, company, - I will send. Maybe bedding for pet dogs will do? Do not be shy, write what I can, the help!
                      1. 0
                        25 June 2020 20: 26
                        What got agitated like this, normal military do not write about their merits, and do not measure their pussy
                      2. 0
                        25 June 2020 20: 28
                        The second rule of the Fight Club: never tell anyone about the Fight Club.
                        1. 0
                          11 July 2020 16: 03
                          Well, where did the colonel of the couch merge?
          2. +5
            21 June 2020 10: 11
            ..... The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other goals, including "goals around the occupied Crimea" .....

            ...... and after 15 minutes a state called Ukraine will cease to exist.
            And it’s better to send this expert ... for forced treatment.
          3. +7
            21 June 2020 10: 21
            Too many Ukrainian military "experts" have appeared recently, even among the ladies with low social ...
            1. 0
              22 June 2020 10: 04
              It remains only to add a boy with a cardboard tank ...
        3. +7
          21 June 2020 10: 31
          There are no decision makers in Ukraine - decisions are made at the Washington Regional Committee. And yet there are still not everyone on the head of the pot.
          1. 0
            21 June 2020 14: 30
            Quote: Metallurg_2
            There are no decision makers in Ukraine - decisions are made at the Washington Regional Committee. And yet there are still not everyone on the head of the pot.

            They decided to bend over to the vile military industrial complex in the hope that the trampampam would all be raking in the election. Now they will start buzzing, come on, give money, otherwise Russia wants to enslave us. The Black Sea Fleet is able to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth three times.
            1. -2
              22 June 2020 18: 54
              Do you serve in the Black Sea Fleet and go to war with the Ukrainians?
              1. +1
                23 June 2020 10: 22
                Do you think that Russia is at war with you, for you it is an aggressor? So declare war, tear diplomatic relations! You look, and Russia will come to you ... It will be completely different, this is not to fight with militias ... Pleasure is not pleasant!
        4. 0
          21 June 2020 12: 21
          Yes, there is no production there: it can be done by any engineering team in any full-cycle engineering production (or by cooperation).
        5. +1
          21 June 2020 19: 59
          let "Neptunes" outweigh the armor resistance of the Dnieper cascade dams
        6. -1
          22 June 2020 18: 52
          Will you send a return lying on the couch?
      2. +7
        21 June 2020 09: 02
        Quote: Mouse
        To want does not mean to be able to! wink

        In in! The key word is "hold on" .. But in the days of the USSR, on the outskirts of the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west .. Shameful ..!
        1. +6
          21 June 2020 09: 11
          Quote: Benito
          the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west.

          Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the SS-20 medium-range, the Satan-MBR.
          1. 0
            21 June 2020 09: 27
            Quote: edmed
            Quote: Benito
            the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west.

            Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the SS-20 medium-range, the Satan-MBR.

            I'm not special, excuse me, confused, but in fact rocket science in the Ukrainian SSR was at the highest level in those years .. Question Where is EVERYTHING?
            1. +3
              21 June 2020 09: 36
              Quote: Benito
              . Question Where is ALL?

              In the same place as the Soviet Union, the rest are doping the legacy of whoever can.
              1. +3
                21 June 2020 11: 33
                Quote: edmed
                Quote: Benito
                . Question Where is ALL?

                In the same place as the Soviet Union, the rest are doping the legacy of whoever can.

                Well, in Russia they still managed to maintain the basis of the military-industrial complex, etc. ! Of course, Ukraine was stuffed with high-tech production (the whole country), but ..
                We had a good lesson ..
                Now we can “butt” with the USA, and so on. No wonder they started yelling again about the "Russian threat" and so on.
                In the future, Ukraine will wake up as an agricultural country .. No rocket science, shipbuilding and other space technologies .. They didn’t live up to our hopes .. such theft and looting, the world did not know ... Even they don’t have the right to produce their own fat ..
                PS Now they live like this "Quiet Ukrainian night, but it's better to peel fat wassat
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        2. +5
          21 June 2020 09: 12
          SS-20 is a medium-range missile, and they were produced, in my opinion, in the Russian Federation, but "Satan" is SS-18, and Yuzhmash made it in Dnepropetrovsk.
        3. +3
          21 June 2020 10: 36
          KEYWORD, Ukraine has NO MONEY for production. Therefore, the calculation of inadequate Bandera and other loonies is glad that they can at least allocate something from the budget. But seriously commenting, arguing, proving is the same as a bull’s reaction to a red rag.
          So you, dear forum users, do not get very excited and better save your time and peace of mind.
        4. +2
          21 June 2020 11: 03
          Quote: Benito
          Shameful ..!

          According to Konstantin Sivkov, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences, "Neptune" is a version Soviet rockets.
      3. +7
        21 June 2020 09: 07
        Quote: Mouse
        To want does not mean to be able to!

        Pipka has not grown. Let them hang out more often.
      4. -12
        21 June 2020 09: 20
        Russian-Ukrainian friendship is growing stronger.
        1. +11
          21 June 2020 11: 16
          I twirled "friendship" with such banderzians at the speed of AI-24 screws laughing
          Greetings from RUSSIAN Sevastopol! tongue
          1. -1
            22 June 2020 00: 00
            I twirled "friendship" with such banderzians at the speed of AI-24 screws

            You lived in that country 6 years ago, if you're not lying .. Only an unwise person can project the statements of the corrupt, pro-Western media to the entire people of Ukraine. A bunch of "Benderites" and their shepherds in the Rada, these are not Ukrainians, this is a system failure. It seems to me that your goal is to overpower people with your stupid slogans.
        2. +2
          21 June 2020 13: 17
          No one sane with friends will not be friends.
      5. AUL
        +6
        21 June 2020 09: 44
        So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.
        And Mr. military expert Zhikhorov knows which Russian missiles are able to "reach" to Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...
        1. +3
          21 June 2020 11: 06
          Quote from AUL
          Does Mr. Zhikhorov, a military expert, know which Russian missiles are capable of reaching Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...

          According to Konstantin Sivkov, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Russia possesses weapons whose range is two to two and a half times greater than Ukrainian missiles.
        2. 0
          21 June 2020 22: 25
          Quote from AUL
          So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.
          And Mr. military expert Zhikhorov knows which Russian missiles are able to "reach" to Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...

          KR MB and ALCM can get to Kuev, the land version of the "Calibers" will be adapted by its naval version ....
          OTRK "Iskander" armed with KR and BR, can also be upgraded in terms of increasing the range of destruction of targets ...
          The most important feature of the Caliber complex is its versatility. Exist Four options for this system. "Caliber-NK" is intended for installation on surface ships, "Caliber-PL" is proposed for submarines, "Caliber-A" is designed for use by aircraft, and "Caliber-M" is a mobile land complex. For use as part of a particular modification of the complex, missiles with various equipment and characteristics are offered.

          https://topwar.ru/84004-raketnyy-kompleks-kalibr-siriya-harakteristiki-i-politika.html
          Another interesting question is whether a land-based version of this missile will be created. If we leave the controversial issue of the real range of the ground-based missile systems of the Iskander-M 9M728 and 9M729 complex for now (the argumentation of the Russian and American sides on these issues is known, but the truth will become known a little later), then it is very likely that, in the case of the almost inevitable the "untimely death" of the INF Treaty, a land version of the Caliber-M could also be created. And then the whole of Eurasia, and not only it, will be under the gun of the winged Iskander. So it’s probably possible to expect such a step by the Russian side, but it will follow only after the creation of the naval version of the “Caliber-M” KR.

          https://topwar.ru/152250-superkalibr.html
      6. +2
        21 June 2020 14: 50
        Quote: Mouse
        To want does not mean to be able to! wink

        Yes, and what 300 km? 80 km.
        Ukraine announced the successful testing of the RK-360MC Neptune anti-ship missile system, and now, according to Ukrainian experts, Kiev will be able to dictate its conditions to Russia in the Black and Azov Seas.
        Starts took place at the Alibey state training ground in the Odessa region. The lighters acting as targets were hit from a distance of 80 km. This was an occasion for Ukraine to talk about its ability to conduct a much more aggressive policy in the Black Sea region.


        The whole point of persistent PR about RCC Neptune.
        Kiev does not have an atomic bomb that could strike Russia, so Ukraine will be engaged in the "reintegration" of Donbass and Crimea by information methods, said in March this year, Verkhovna Rada deputy from the presidential party "Servant of the People" Nikita Poturaev.

        https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/21/13124971.shtml
    2. +8
      21 June 2020 08: 19
      Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist. And just a little bit so that all coastal weapons would follow him.
      Why do these "experts" never think about retaliatory actions to an attempt, for example, to destroy the Crimean bridge?
      1. +13
        21 June 2020 08: 34
        so that the Ukrainian fleet ceases to exist.

        Does he exist? Can you call this semblance a fleet? recourse
        1. +7
          21 June 2020 08: 36
          Does he exist?

          There are ropes ... But only for sebe)))))
          1. +6
            21 June 2020 08: 43
            The name speaks for itself ... FU is FU! wassat
        2. +5
          21 June 2020 08: 52
          Quote: Mouse
          Does he exist? Can you call this semblance a fleet?

          So we transferred their fleet, after an epic breakthrough under escort to Kerch bully
      2. +3
        21 June 2020 09: 04
        Quote: Wedmak
        Why do these "experts" never think about retaliatory actions to an attempt, for example, to destroy the Crimean bridge?

        What do you mean, "they are for SHO." They even started to discuss a new cool law A referendum on the accession of new territories to Ukraine announced at Zelensky . True, if they adopt such a law, then why should they shoot at the Crimean bridge and Novorossiysk? They will unanimously vote for the annexation of the Krasnodar Territory and Stavropol Territory to Ukraine and that’s all, shoot no longer ...
        1. +2
          21 June 2020 11: 10
          Quote: Fitter65
          A referendum on the accession of new territories to Ukraine announced at Zelensky

          So they play "by contradiction". "Let's not notice that pieces are falling off the country, we will pretend that someone is dreaming of joining us! And we will think about accepting them into our" state of light ", we will hold a referendum, because not everyone is worthy!"
      3. +8
        21 June 2020 09: 05
        Quote: Wedmak
        Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist.

        There is no "Ukrainian fleet" for a long time, only "admirals" remained laughing
        1. 0
          21 June 2020 10: 51
          and not admirals at all, but as in the old soviet joke: drop-drop, drop three, drop two, drop once and the admiral ...
        2. 0
          22 June 2020 19: 37
          Quote: Benito
          Quote: Wedmak
          Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist.

          There is no "Ukrainian fleet" for a long time, only "admirals" remained laughing

          And rafts, inflatable boats ...? winked
      4. 0
        21 June 2020 13: 22
        Russia is enough for a couple of missiles to turn this entire territory into a desert, though the junta doesn’t give a damn, they plan to be the first to slip off, if that.
        1. -1
          22 June 2020 19: 44
          Will you launch rockets?
    3. -8
      21 June 2020 08: 21
      As far as I understand, the tests are over? Is the missile put into service? The goals may be different, this is undeniable. As well as "Wishlist".
      I am much more interested in the statements not of this Zhirokhov, but of those "experts" who wrote about "a water pipe with GPS" three years ago, and not a rocket, because "all the engineers went to Poland for strawberries" ...
      1. +12
        21 June 2020 08: 34
        wrote about "a water pipe with GPS", not a rocket, because "all the engineers went to Poland for strawberries" ...

        This is the same X-35 on anabolic steroids. Increased the length, reduced the caliber, slightly increased the warhead, stuck GPS. What is there such a breakthrough, invisible and formidable - it is not clear.
        The goals may be different, this is undeniable.

        Yeah ... but in my opinion, only those from whom you do not have to wait for an answer.
      2. +5
        21 June 2020 09: 41
        Nobody developed Neptune, they already had it in the form of X-35 (3M24 is the index, if sclerosis does not fail), it remains to add only DGPS and more on the little things, then grind files and deal with the end. Even the PU was.
        1. +1
          21 June 2020 13: 50
          A reference sample of the X-35 KB Luch received in 2002, Kharkov aircraft factory documentation. PU Ball, apparently a working prototype. No one changed the size, increased the supply of kerosene due to warheads. Initially, range 130, warhead 150. In fact, Russian enterprises gave the order to subcontractors, remaining with their gesheft.
      3. +4
        21 June 2020 09: 56
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        and those "experts" who wrote about a "water pipe with GPS", not a rocket three years ago, because "all the engineers went to Poland for strawberries" ...

        All documentation, samples were available, key components were produced. Including an engine that Ukraine itself would never, in principle, have made. Glider - a trifle, not so important, but still.
        The GOS is new, but the GOS of the "hit the target" level is the simplest thing with today's electronics. Despite the fact that there was a technical base in Ukraine, and ARLGSN for URVV were quite produced, that is, people with some experience were not only in abstract electronics. There are small-scale production of guided missiles of various types, solid fuel for accelerators - already a giant plant from the USSR left, with all serial technologies and recipes. Ukrainian anti-ship missiles a la "clone of Uranus" is only a matter of time and desire.
        1. +1
          21 June 2020 14: 06
          Not time and desire, but the development of the economy of the productive forces, and just with this is a complete seam
    4. +4
      21 June 2020 08: 23
      I recalled a joke about an elderly gentleman at a doctor's appointment: ... and a neighbor says that three times a night!
      So you say! wassat
      However, I never liked the direction of their thoughts. It's good that "God doesn't give a horn to a thirsty goat!"
      1. +3
        21 June 2020 09: 03
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Reminded a joke

        It reminds me of virtual reality:
        Virtually there is a rocket that can destroy the Russian fleet, but in reality we have ...
        1. +1
          22 June 2020 19: 47
          Quote: Tusv
          It reminds me of virtual reality:
          Virtually there is a rocket that can destroy the Russian fleet, but in reality we have

          good
          An elderly man runs to the urologist, takes off his pants and begins to lament: Doctor! Oh, wei! What should I do with him, he is so small! Doctor calmly: hmm, to carry ....
          Bandera patients of a psychiatric dispensary who are not covered by specialized medical care can whisper about the atomic bomb, missiles, how to sting, and sabotage detachments, Russia needs to do something bad, America is with us .... Someday doctors will come and treat me.
      2. +2
        21 June 2020 09: 20
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Reminded a joke

        Daily diet of an elephant in a zoo:
        Cabbage -20kg.
        Carrots -50kg.
        Apples -30kg.
        Bananas -40kg.
        And then everything is in the know ...
        1. +3
          21 June 2020 09: 27
          laughing
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Daily diet of an elephant in a zoo:
          Cabbage -20kg.
          Carrots -50kg.
          Apples -30kg.
          Bananas -40kg.
          And then everything is in the know ...

          "To sit down then he will eat, but who, will give him!" laughing
    5. +14
      21 June 2020 08: 23
      In Ukraine, how many types of weapons do Russia have that can cover any point in Ukraine and in the world?
    6. +11
      21 June 2020 08: 31
      It's time to deal with these Sumerians. It is a pity that in 2014 they did not finish the job and did not return Novorossia back to Russia. So and so imposed sanctions. Half measures never lead to good. In addition to Crimea, it was also necessary to attach the Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. With the deprivation of these areas, industrial capacity, 15 million people and access to the seas, Ukraine would become a dwarf state like Romania.
      1. +8
        21 June 2020 09: 20
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        It is a pity that in 2014 they did not finish the job and did not return Novorossia back to Russia.

        Not too late.
      2. -4
        21 June 2020 11: 24
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        It's time to deal with these Sumerians.

        A painless way.
        1. +1
          21 June 2020 11: 32
          Do you keep jumping for Zelensky or are you on the "Dumb President" march? Or have you already been a Bendera from the very beginning and are still jumping for Poroshenko and Bendera?
          1. -1
            21 June 2020 11: 55
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Do you keep jumping for Zelensky or are you on the "Dumb President" march? Or have you already been a Bendera from the very beginning and are still jumping for Poroshenko and Bendera?

            Well, you piled a bunch here! Filter the bazaar. fool Carrying anything. When did I ride and was for Bandera? But I just suggested sending ukroekspertov to where they belong, in connection with another exacerbation. Or are you against it? Then I'm sorry, I didn’t know that you would regret them. request
      3. -2
        22 June 2020 19: 02
        Well, go figure it out, enlist in the army and show yourself, hero
    7. +9
      21 June 2020 08: 32
      Well, maybe it can, or maybe it can not ... and the AK-74 bullet can kill a Ukrainian expert .. so what?
      1. +1
        21 June 2020 09: 42
        Once iksperd wrote very not bad books.
        1. +4
          21 June 2020 11: 15
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Once iksperd wrote very not bad books.

          Apparently the situation in the country dictates other requirements. It is necessary to maintain a certain "confidence in the power of the state" in the population.
      2. +1
        21 June 2020 09: 45
        Danger must always be considered.
        Argentina had 5 received aircraft "Exocets" out of 28 ordered, 2 British warships sank ... If the Sumerians work out these harpoon-like missiles at all levels, from flight tests during creation to exercises of calculations and command and staff, they will certainly be dangerous.
        1. +5
          21 June 2020 10: 04
          The analogy, in my opinion, is "far-fetched" .. Is there a danger in what-are we planning a sea battle with the great Naval Forces or our landing party to them? Or are you talking about what needs to be considered when planning (though the British also took into account)?
          The APU tank brigade to Belgorod can do much more damage, for example, if it came out to do, but do you really believe that it could be? The air defense, which is now on this minute on duty — it’s all the same what nationality a missile is shot down — it just works and protects it — from the appearance of a couple of dozen copies of the X-35 among Ukrainians — nothing changes in the service .. Even if we assume a war with Ukraine, it will definitely not be naval battles .. but if you mean that the air defense calculations need not to relax on duty, I completely agree, you never need to ..
          1. +1
            21 June 2020 10: 11
            The tank attack on Belgorod is from the realm of fantasy.
            But the incident at sea with the detention of the ship, capable of growing before the launch of anti-ship missiles under some special circumstances, is not only reality, but is incomparably more realistic.
            1. +3
              21 June 2020 10: 17
              Yes, I’m saying that the air defense, regardless of the presence of APU missiles, also works to intercept .. and so hypothetically .. you also need to take into account that during the detention the Navy’s vessel can ram, it can be a firewall, it can be a trap, that's all understandable and logical .. The news is essentially in something that some kind of iksperd popped up the idea that you can hit Novoross and now we are discussing this? I'm just talking about it ..
              1. -1
                21 June 2020 10: 31
                I think it’s easier.
                Someone who illustrated the range of Neptune in style is able to get to Novorossiysk, and the information was given that they will shoot almost tomorrow.
                So quite often in the press they do, passions wind up.
          2. +2
            21 June 2020 10: 27
            It is a weapon, and it kills.
            Any civilian ship this anti-ship missile will sink or - if the ship is very large - at least critically damage. The usefulness of using such pieces against warships of the Russian Navy is in great doubt. But again: there are landing boats, tugs. Which of the "air defense" - a self-defense machine gun and MANPADS. The Sumerians can shoot from the shore.
            And the Sumerians do not need a large series. In Ukraine, it cannot be big. Semi-handicraft production of 1-10 pieces per year is no different from the manufacture of single products. And obviously in strength. The fact that 50 years ago in electronics was a high-tech of insanely complex, today - in Chinese consumer goods at $ 2.50 per ten pieces. High-resolution radars are cheaply set to track a cat's movement around the house. By the way, another 17 years ago, one Australian Simpson proved this by building a perfectly suitable cruise missile in the garage ... and the most expensive was a turbojet engine for modellers.
            In general, there is no need to relax. Everything can be.
        2. +3
          21 June 2020 12: 14
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          they will certainly be dangerous.

          laughing Are these? Exclusively for themselves. Yes
          1. +3
            21 June 2020 12: 41
            That’s for sure, they would have to attend to this, and not threaten their fists.
    8. +6
      21 June 2020 08: 33
      Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships on the basis of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.
      One regrets that he did not "drown the Russians in blood" in Crimea, the other dreams of the Kuban and beyond, now the next "warrior" dreams of reaching Novorossiysk with missiles ... The American military is already living and settling in this territory, Canada is sending in addition to the existing 90 instructors, American PMCs, and we are all about the "brotherly people" who may suffer from our sanctions, not to mention any other actions.
    9. +7
      21 June 2020 08: 33
      ... "In Ukraine: the Neptune rocket can" reach "the ships in Novorossiysk" ...
      It should only be added that if this missile "reaches" the Russian ships, Ukro-ina herself can "stretch her legs" lol
      1. +5
        21 June 2020 08: 48
        In my youth, we had a joking saying: "Do not stretch out your hands, or you will stretch your legs." wink
    10. +9
      21 June 2020 08: 35
      The appearance of the Neptune anti-ship missile system at the Ukrainian Armed Forces is, of course, their success. But it is not fixed. Since there is no understanding yet how many and at what time they can be mass-produced. In addition, being the "sister" of the Soviet X-35, it is not something "new" for Russian air defense systems.
      1. +4
        21 June 2020 08: 43
        Sergei hi but it doesn’t matter. For them, the main thing is to crow. wink
    11. +7
      21 June 2020 08: 57
      I, as in the past an engineer who dealt with the development of rockets, approach the issue without unnecessary emotions. To create a rocket, it is not enough to dust off the old Soviet drawings and build something rocket-like. A rocket is a very complex product. Even if you try to just make the product according to the finished drawings, it is unlikely that you will get sensible. Well, if you make changes ... Excuse me, but where is the R&D complex (research and development work, if anyone does not know)? And where is the technical base of R&D (research and production), where are the experts, not just literate, but thoroughly versed in the essence of the issue? Since the days of the USSR were mothballed? Sorry it doesn’t happen. After all, we also have the main problem - the loss of succession of personnel, but Russia at least invests considerable money, albeit with a scratch, but there is movement. What about Ukraine? Where did the money come from, Zin? Remember how much noise was around the new AN, so what? They rolled out a cute yellowish airplane, rode through the territory on a rope and safely forgot ...
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 09: 19
        The same thing happened with the BTR-4 feel
        1. 0
          21 June 2020 13: 27
          And with the "stronghold" everything was the same.
      2. -8
        21 June 2020 09: 20
        Neptune is not a copy of Uranus, they differ in size.
        Working enterprises are engaged in Neptune.
        KB Luch, KhAZ, engine Motor Sich-, GSN- Radionics.
        1. +2
          21 June 2020 09: 29
          Tell me, I'm not in the know. Since when does Motor Sich work with rocket engines? As far as I remember from the days of the USSR, this is the Ukrainian branch of the Leningrad Design Bureau Klimov (helicopter engines are a priority). I strongly doubt that it would occur to someone in their right mind to give Klimov's design bureau a technical task for a rocket engine. There is no appropriate base, no specialists. Yes, and enough of their tasks.
          1. -5
            21 June 2020 09: 44
            The engine has been producing engines for cruise missiles since the first Soviet anti-ship missiles in the 50s.
            Technically, this is not a problem for him.
            About Klimov’s branch, it’s not even close to reality. There is no direct connection between them.
            Motor has a large nomenclature, and helicopter - only a part of them.
            By the way, next to the Motor KB Ivchenko-Progress.
            1. +2
              21 June 2020 09: 53
              Thanks for the info. I will not argue about the relationship with Klimov Design Bureau, although as far as I remember, the development of helicopter engines began on the basis of the development of Klimovites. But where did you get about rocket engines I do not understand. Even on the official site of Motor Sich there is nothing about it. Is there anything about the development of aircraft and helicopter engines, a word about rocket engines - is it strange, do not you think?
              1. -4
                21 June 2020 10: 13
                Not weird. wink All rocket engines are secret, so they are not laid out on the site, away from sin. By the way, how does the rocket engine for cruise subsonic missiles (cruise missiles is a mini plane) differ from a conventional aircraft engine in the complexity of manufacturing and design? I’ll answer right away. Nothing, moreover, a rocket engine is simpler, no need to lay a large resource. wink
                1. +2
                  21 June 2020 10: 21
                  I am not an engine engineer, so I will not argue, although I strongly doubt the identity of the engines for cruise missiles and aircraft. For a drone, yes - it's obvious. Well, about secrecy ... Almaz-Antey, or, say Energia, do not hide that they are engaged in rockets. Why would they? For the Caliber complex (quite real and tested in combat in Syria), the rocket is manufactured by the Novator OKB (Yekaterinburg). Open information, where are the secrets?
                  1. -4
                    21 June 2020 10: 36
                    So a cruise missile is a single-use subsonic "drone". wink
              2. -6
                21 June 2020 10: 20
                They are not placed in a separate category.
                https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A095-300

                http://www.missiles.ru/arhiv/10.htm
                MC400 on the site is
              3. +2
                21 June 2020 13: 38
                Quote: basal
                I will not argue about the relationship with Klimov Design Bureau, although as far as I remember, the development of helicopter engines began on the basis of the development of Klimovites.

                But in vain ... Motor Sich for a long time produced precisely Klimovsk helicopter engines.
                1. -2
                  21 June 2020 15: 39
                  He is releasing it now.
                  But not only climatic
                  1. +1
                    21 June 2020 17: 01
                    Quote: Avior
                    But not only climatic

                    Wait, but just recently you argued that Motor Sich is not connected in any way in Klimov ... So where is the truth?
                    1. -1
                      21 June 2020 17: 11
                      My colleague did not deny the connection between Motor Sich and Klimov. He wrote, in response to a user comment, that Motor Sich is not a Ukrainian branch of Klimov. wink wink
                      1. +1
                        21 June 2020 20: 53
                        Quote: Red Dragon
                        My colleague did not deny the connection between Motor Sich and Klimov.

                        Sorry, but otherwise it’s somehow hard to understand ...
                        About Klimov’s branch, it’s not even close to reality. There is no direct connection between them..

                        Now, of course, there is no connection, but it was also direct ... otherwise, the products of the "foreign" design bureau cannot be put into production
                2. +1
                  21 June 2020 16: 24
                  TV3-117 is a Klimov development. AI450 - SE "Ivchenko-Progress". wink
        2. +3
          21 June 2020 13: 57
          Quote: Avior
          Neptune is not a copy of Uranus, they differ in size.

          Of course of course....
          Given the fact that at the Kharkov Aviation Plant, even in the days before the collapse of the USSR, the production of X-35 rocket bodies was being established ... then of course ...
          Find 10 differences.

          1. -2
            21 June 2020 15: 49
            The length, diameter and weight of the missiles are different.
            1. +1
              21 June 2020 17: 03
              Quote: Avior
              The length, diameter and weight of the missiles are different.

              we lower the "diameter", it is there and there to 0,42 ... The rest is a matter of "taste" and "possibilities". And it is so clear that they are made on the basis of one "progenitor"
              1. -5
                21 June 2020 17: 37
                In one case, 0.38; in the other, o. 42.
                Length differs by 65 cm
                That is, clearly done not according to the old drawings, as someone wrote above.
                The weight of the rocket is very noticeable.
                And the fact that the basis is that Uranus, that Neptune is the Soviet x-35, and in a broader sense, the American Harpoon, is undoubted.
                1. +1
                  21 June 2020 20: 50
                  Quote: Avior
                  In one case, 0.38; in the other, o. 42.
                  Length differs by 65 cm
                  "That is, clearly done not according to the old drawings, as someone wrote above.
                  The weight of the rocket is very noticeable.

                  In Soviet times, it was planned that serial production of the X-35 anti-ship missile will be carried out at the Kharkov Aviation Plant. The company has left the technical documentation for the production of the X-35 missile body. Do not use existing equipment and a production line, but stupidly spend government money on developing a new building, in the opinion of the general designer of the Luch State Design Bureau, it was wrong. Yes, in the future we will switch to composite materials, develop a new body that will better meet the requirements of stealth. But now the time is running out. Results are needed. And they are.
                  "
                  https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1112935.html
    12. Ham
      +4
      21 June 2020 08: 57
      and what not immediately to Vladivostok?
      Why print nonsense of different ukro-iksperdy print?
    13. -1
      21 June 2020 09: 02
      "...man, calling himself military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), said that the "Neptune" KR is capable of "reaching" Russian warships based on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk ..... "
      =======
      Ah, pug! Know she is strong, since barks at an elephant!
      It is interesting that this "sofa expert" is aware that the famous "Neptune" is just a copy (and not the most successful one) of the Russian X-35 "Uranus"? Or does he not know ???
    14. -14
      21 June 2020 09: 08
      Maybe these are not the best missiles, but he will succeed in clogging the channels of our air defense, and after all, during an attack on Crimea, not only Ukrainian missiles, but also missiles from NATO countries will be used! And if the top leadership of Russia had "eggs" and in 2014 would have helped Yanyk, then these missiles would look towards Romania, for example!
      1. +1
        21 June 2020 11: 27
        Quote: Incompetent
        Maybe it's not the best missiles, but he will succeed in hammering the channels of our air defense

        ========
        Considering the technical and financial capabilities of Ukraine, as well as the pace at which this "Neptune" is produced, it is extremely doubtful that in the next 10 - 15 years, they could score anything! Moreover, in addition to air defense / missile defense, electronic warfare systems have also been deployed in the Crimea and Taman (you should not howl about them either!).
      2. +1
        21 June 2020 13: 29
        You might think that NATO countries will want to die for the breeder’s mri.
    15. +4
      21 June 2020 09: 14
      Will Russia threaten the resettlement?
      I'm already afraid .... wassat
    16. +4
      21 June 2020 09: 27
      Excerpts from the article - "Shoot to Novorossiysk ..":
      "However, it is not yet clear when the industry will pump out all three promised divisions. And yet, according to American analysts, at least four divisions are needed to reliably cover our coastline. But only three divisions have been ordered in words."
      A few months ago, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant (the country's only producer of solid fuel for the Neptune complex) practically ceased its work, about 700 highly qualified specialists were fired.
      Speaking about the capabilities of the Russian military machine, apart from the naval "Calibers", the Kremlin also has Iskanders at its disposal. And then there is complete air superiority. This means that in the course of combat operations, the Neptune should at least cover (and cover seriously) a mobile anti-aircraft missile system, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces does not yet have.
      In general, the impression of the article- Pompous boast looking around!
    17. -13
      21 June 2020 09: 33
      enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 09: 47
        And you see the special goals. Maybe they’ve already prepared a rocket launcher? laughing
        1. -6
          21 June 2020 10: 36
          No ... I travel around the region for work .... I just know industrial facilities. Open the map and you will find out.
      2. +4
        21 June 2020 10: 07
        Quote: Zaurbek
        enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.


        And the distances, for example, to Nevinnomyssk or Sochi?

        The maximum range is 300 km.
        1. -4
          21 June 2020 10: 35
          It is necessary to measure. There, in a straight line, not far through the mountains.
        2. -6
          21 June 2020 10: 43
          By car, if you take the triangle Rostov-Krasnodar-Nevinnomyssk. Between each other + or - 300km
    18. +4
      21 June 2020 09: 42
      Mriy-mriya. There were mriyas about lace panties, dreamed up to bare butts. And from such missile "dreams" in general it is possible to dream.
    19. +1
      21 June 2020 09: 45
      Receive by the knob.
    20. +1
      21 June 2020 09: 45
      This is what happens when Napoleons are not treated, but put in the presidency ...
      1. +1
        21 June 2020 10: 02
        As soon as I see this miracle on TV, I immediately remember the comedy.
      2. 0
        21 June 2020 10: 02
        These Napoleons are dragging Caesars, Mozart and other well-deserved characters.
        1. 0
          21 June 2020 10: 07
          Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
          mozart

          And, yes, he’s a master on the piano ... Here’s the military-industrial complex, too, he plays the piano without hands ... The hands grow from the same place as the legs ...
          1. +1
            22 June 2020 08: 56

            Something like this...
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          2. 0
            22 June 2020 08: 57
            And they have a head there
    21. -8
      21 June 2020 09: 47
      ... The state order for R-360 cruise missiles, which are part of the new Ukrainian coastal anti-ship complex Neptune (RK-360MTs Neptune), is 120 units, said Vladimir Semyonov, director for corporate rights and investment projects of Motor Sich OJSC.
    22. +2
      21 June 2020 09: 59
      Wet dreams of a pimple teen !!!!
    23. +1
      21 June 2020 09: 59
      In psychiatric hospitals, people who are probably stronger by reason than some figures from the neighboring territory lie.
    24. +2
      21 June 2020 10: 01
      They were kicked in the ass, in the Crimea, and they continue to dream ...
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 12: 38
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        They were kicked in the ass, in the Crimea, and they continue to dream ...


        They just won’t calm down, especially since the owner forces ...
    25. +4
      21 June 2020 10: 04
      The development of the Neptune rocket was carried out to deter the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. But the problem is that Ukraine is unlikely to find funds for its serial production. In addition, the missile system must be covered by a mobile anti-aircraft missile system. But while Ukraine does not have such a complex.


      And why make a noise, he himself answered all the questions.
    26. BAI
      -4
      21 June 2020 10: 09
      The main question is whether the air defense of the Russian Federation is guaranteed to intercept this missile. The probability of launch in the Russian Federation is not equal to zero. You never know what a scumbag would be behind the control panel. After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 12: 36
        Quote: BAI
        After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.


        Why are you so sure about this?
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    28. +8
      21 June 2020 10: 18
      Ukraine is better off not wanting. can pick up the "Wishlist". so that she did not do stupid things.
    29. +2
      21 June 2020 10: 20
      Experts who do not understand what they are saying, because the defeat of at least one ship of the Russian Navy will mean the beginning of a military conflict. Will Ukraine drag out a war with Russia or hope that the Americans will die for Independence?
      1. 0
        21 June 2020 10: 26
        Quote: APASUS
        Experts who do not understand what they say, because the defeat of at least one ship of the Russian Navy will mean the beginning of a military conflict

        Yes, they all understand ... Here is the essence of this, to keep Russia in constant tension .. And as for Ukraine, they warmed a snake on their chest .. negative
        Quote: APASUS
        .Ukraine will pull the war with Russia or the hope that the Americans will die for the Independent?

        Yes, not just the Outskirts, but the United States does not intend to fight for Europe .. Amers hope that the ocean will save them, and Europe in the trash .. There are no gentlemen, this time you will not stay, skimming the conflicts in Eurasia!
    30. 0
      21 June 2020 10: 25
      I don’t know who how, but I think it will be the first and last launch of Neptune with such a goal in the history of Banderlog.
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 12: 35
        Yes, there will be nothing but bravura shouts, and if God forbid it will be, then you wrote everything correctly.
    31. 0
      21 June 2020 10: 37
      Stop liberalizing! It is time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors. I consider such actions to be correct, especially since the parties to the Ukrainian government are constantly threatening us with the use of force. Stop waiting, it's time to take proactive actions
      1. -4
        21 June 2020 10: 47
        Quote: Suslin
        Stop liberalizing! It’s time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors.

        If we did this, then first of all Israel would be destroyed. negative Damascus is constantly bombed .. Or ours was shot down with high-ranking specialists .. And in general there they have a lot of "our thieves" sitting out with the loot .. How do you like that? And there are many Jews in Kiev too.
        So bite the tongue dear.
        1. 0
          21 June 2020 10: 52
          Benito, or maybe just Benya, I don’t give an example of Jews about Jews. But Kiev Jews themselves must think who and what their president is, they chose him, now it’s too late to fear for them.
    32. +1
      21 June 2020 10: 42
      There is no peace freaking ...
    33. +1
      21 June 2020 10: 42
      So it was a sign:
      On Friday evening, a huge cloud appeared over Kiev, resembling a huge mushroom in shape. And, despite the wind, it did not move. It is reported by Rambler.
      1. 0
        21 June 2020 10: 49
        Quote: impostor
        So it was a sign:

        This is a sign that Rossssi’s patience is ending .. hi
        1. +3
          21 June 2020 12: 33
          A rare natural phenomenon, but not casual.
          1. 0
            21 June 2020 13: 18
            Quote: cniza
            A rare natural phenomenon, but not casual.

            Everything in this world is not casual. Our mission is so difficult, to save the world.
    34. 0
      21 June 2020 10: 52
      in the Delovaya Stolitsa publication, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov) stated that the KR Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships at the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.
      The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other targets, including "targets around the occupied Crimea."
      (C)
      He cried and laughed
      That bristled like a hedgehog
      He, bastard, mocked us
      Well crazy what you take!
      VS Vysotsky "Letter from patients of Kanatchikova dacha for the transfer" Obvious-incredible "
      Such higher ... tales, in my opinion, do not deserve attention at all. Who knows, where, what kind of crazy person says.
    35. +1
      21 June 2020 11: 07
      And from the Crimea to Kiev!
      1. +3
        21 June 2020 12: 32
        Quote: musorg
        And from the Crimea to Kiev!


        And this is according to the formula - "and we are for sho"
        1. -1
          21 June 2020 13: 21
          Quote: cniza
          And this is according to the formula - "and we are for sho"

          laughing good A little that immediately scream ..))))
    36. 0
      21 June 2020 11: 14
      I’m rumbling nimagu))) an experimental launch, with an incomprehensible result, but Napoleon’s plans))) I would like to ask eskperd - did you evaluate the consequences? Or does a victim of an epidemic of syphilis and chronic iodine deficiency have brains that far? Given the forces and air defense concentrated in the Crimea
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 12: 31
        And so they run ahead of the engine, and most importantly, scream loudly.
    37. 0
      21 June 2020 11: 22
      in the Delovaya Stolitsa publication, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov) stated that the KR Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships at the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.

      In Russia, thousands of missiles capable of covering the whole territory without a fall so what? fool
      Where are these "miracle experts" recruited? what
    38. -1
      21 June 2020 12: 22
      I think that in Novorossiysk (RF) .. there is a small rocket that can destroy the whole of KIEV ... along with its general staff and all the plants and warehouses of NEPTUN missiles and whoever doesn’t believe, then check .. run at least one this bulldozer in the direction of PUTIN .. He lived his life in the UA ... and I never would have believed that there are so many idiots in the country. Every one is mentally ill ... a virus ...
      1. +2
        21 June 2020 12: 29
        Not necessarily in Novorossiysk, but definitely there. Yes
    39. 0
      21 June 2020 12: 42
      It's time, my friend, it's time. It is high time.
    40. +1
      21 June 2020 13: 07
      Ukrainians are traitors.
      1. -2
        21 June 2020 14: 00
        Are you talking about the Donbass? Or about Kozhedub with Kovpak? We need to be friends with the firebrand.
        1. +3
          21 June 2020 14: 09
          No, I'm talking about today's Ukraine. Traitors - in the general sense of the word.
        2. +1
          22 June 2020 09: 07
          Both Kozhedub and Kovpak are RUSSIAN. And ukrointsy, these are former Russians who forgot that they are Russian. In general, I agree with the previous speaker
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Ukrainians are traitors.
    41. 0
      21 June 2020 13: 37
      After such statements, there is no need to stand on ceremony, stop playing bullshit called the "Minsk agreements", immediately recognize the DPR and LPR as independent state entities, and conclude a military-political and economic agreement with them, at the same time strengthen propaganda work in other regions of Novorossia and support everyone by forces and means of pro-Russian forces.
    42. 0
      21 June 2020 14: 08
      This is Hochma. I remembered an ancient joke
      digging two Moldovan pit from a Romanian employer. and then just a shell. well what to do. here one of them offers
      - let’s give a whiff in Tiraspol
      other
      - come on, but how?
      -Yes, everything is simple, you have a shell under your arm
      shorter than BABAH, two Moldovans come out of the funnel
      -Well, nothing shied
      other
      Can you imagine what's going on in Tiraspol?
      so here, fat uncles, cheers. got somewhere, if I understood by radio in a certain area
    43. +1
      21 June 2020 15: 30
      If the statements that "Neptune" will be able to hit the Crimean bridge or ships in Sevastopol or Novorossiysk is a shuffle from the Ukrainian side, then the phrase in the article
      It is good that the Ukrainian military expert understands the following fact: if they really intend to use launchers from the Neptune Kyrgyz Republic against Russian Black Sea Fleet bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, these installations will be destroyed before the first attempt to launch a missile.

      this is already shouting from our Russian side. For being the first to strike at the Neptune launchers before the salvo will be regarded by all as aggression against Ukraine. Moreover, if in the DPR-LPR everything revolves around talk about "vacationers" and the Ukrainian side hardly has any facts confirming their point of view - then a preemptive strike on launchers is a gift that Ukraine does not even dare to dream of.

      Quote: figvam
      Quote: ANIMAL
      This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities.

      Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

      Well, let's put it this way. Theoretically, Ukraine can strike at the bridge, and over Sevastopol, and Novorossiysk. IN THEORY, because the performance characteristics of "Neptune" allow you to "reach" these goals. And practically such a blow will mean the beginning of the end of Ukraine

      Quote: Benito
      Quote: Mouse
      To want does not mean to be able to! wink

      In in! The key word is "hold on" .. But in the days of the USSR, on the outskirts of the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west .. Shameful ..!

      Deal with the materiel first. What is SS-20, and what is "Satan" ... And then they mixed everything in one heap ...

      Quote: edmed
      Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the SS-20 medium-range, the Satan-MBR.

      I'll tell you the same. Decide on the terminology, and do not mix everything in one heap. The SS-20 rocket, which was named Pioneer, never had the P-10 index. The contractual index was RSD-10. Yes, it, as you correctly wrote, was a medium-range missile. But the ICBM, which received the name "Satan" or SS-18 in the West, has never carried the P-36 index. R-36 is a rocket (according to western classification) SS-9. The index of the "Satan" family was, respectively, P-36M, P-36M UTTH, P-36M2.

      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      As far as I understand, the tests are over? Is the missile put into service? The goals may be different, this is undeniable. As well as "Wishlist".

      As far as I heard it is still being tested. Logically, there should still be a test from the ship. Therefore, hardly adopted yet

      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I am much more interested in the statements not of this Zhirokhov, but of those "experts" who wrote about "a water pipe with GPS" three years ago, and not a rocket, because "all the engineers went to Poland for strawberries" ...

      Well, you know, comrade, that it is easiest to write urya-patriotic posts, while about .... I am the enemy and lowering him below the plinth with regard to his capabilities, than to look at things soberly. Usually, such "experts" then, when such a product is suddenly used, they are the first to be indignant: "Where did they get it from," "again the Washington Regional Committee handed over offensive weapons to Ukraine." But what Ukraine is doing now (Alder MLRS, Neptune KR) primarily poses a threat to the DPR-LPR, and by no means to Russia. Intercepting missiles such as Neptune is not particularly difficult for the Russian Armed Forces and its fleet, but for the republics in the east of Ukraine ...

      Quote: Zaurbek
      enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.

      There may be enough goals, but most of them are out of reach. Theoretically, only Belorechinsky chemical plant. Nevinnomyssky - 450 kilometers to it, as well as for other purposes more than 300

      Quote: BAI
      The main question is whether the air defense of the Russian Federation is guaranteed to intercept this missile. The probability of launch in the Russian Federation is not equal to zero. You never know what a scumbag would be behind the control panel. After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.

      The question is interesting, but difficult to answer. It all depends on time, outfit of strength, distance. For example, having launched such a missile from their part of the braid in the east of Crimea, they could theoretically strike at the Crimean bridge. The flight time there is about 15 minutes, the missile will go to the SMV, whether there will be an air defense complex ready to fire on its way and how long it will take to destroy the missile defense - that’s the question. And if the launch is volley?
      So we cannot give a definite answer ourselves ... A lot of factors

      Quote: Suslin
      Stop liberalizing! It is time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors. I consider such actions to be correct, especially since the parties to the Ukrainian government are constantly threatening us with the use of force. Stop waiting, it's time to take proactive actions

      You forget one Not important a detail that multiplies all your constructions by zero. Israel with its neighbor - Syria, on whose territory it "wets" any potential threat is in STATES OF WAR. By delivering a preemptive strike, we will become aggressors, and even those in Ukraine who are neutral towards us or will be good against us. For we struck and became aggressors. And then what will happen to us (in the economic sense) is not difficult to imagine. For the Ukrainian elite, it will be a royal gift
      1. -3
        21 June 2020 17: 48
        This is the final state test before adoption.
        A preliminary state order is known - 120 units.
        But they are unlikely to be made in a year.
        They write that they will collect on the Beam, and there production is limited to 50 pcs per year.
        Actually, I think they’ll do much less, write off the coronovirus.

        So far, only on shore installations, there are actually no ships under them, except for one old boat, which by age does not make much sense to upgrade.
        I think that at first they will work out various applications from coastal ones, including on land targets, and maybe, first of all, on land ones.
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        22 June 2020 09: 20
        Quote: Old26
        Deal with the materiel first. What is SS-20, and what is "Satan" ... And then they mixed everything in one heap ...

        Quote: edmed
        Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the SS-20 medium-range, the Satan-MBR.

        I'll tell you the same. Decide on the terminology, and do not mix everything in one heap. The SS-20 rocket, which was named Pioneer, never had the P-10 index. The contractual index was RSD-10. Yes, it, as you correctly wrote, was a medium-range missile. But the ICBM, which received the name "Satan" or SS-18 in the West, has never carried the P-36 index. R-36 is a rocket (according to western classification) SS-9. The index of the "Satan" family was, respectively, P-36M, P-36M UTTH, P-36M2.

        Comrade, you are so meticulous that it takes terrible things. You tell me honestly you need to go, or checkers?
    44. 0
      21 June 2020 18: 19
      Heh! Heh! Subsonic "Wishlist". Well! Well! Winged prodigy!
    45. +1
      21 June 2020 18: 31
      Quote: Avior
      This is the final state test before adoption.
      A preliminary state order is known - 120 units.
      But they are unlikely to be made in a year.
      They write that they will collect on the Beam, and there production is limited to 50 pcs per year.
      Actually, I think they’ll do much less, write off the coronovirus.

      So far, only on shore installations, there are actually no ships under them, except for one old boat, which by age does not make much sense to upgrade.
      I think that at first they will work out various applications from coastal ones, including on land targets, and maybe, first of all, on land ones.

      Thank you, Sergey! The fact that this is the final test - somehow fell out of sight. And yes, I agree. Now the greatest danger is this missile, not against Russian ships (or Russian facilities), but against people living in the Donbass. Yet 300 km is not 20 or 30 km. Like 150 kg warheads, they won’t immediately find an antidote against it ...
      1. 0
        21 June 2020 19: 07
        And why should Neptune be used in the Donbass? From the contact line to the Russian border, offhand it is unlikely that somewhere more than 100 km. Cruise missiles, weapons are not cheap, to use them in an armored personnel carrier is so-so use. wink Then where to?
        1. -4
          21 June 2020 22: 54
          It’s stupid in armored vehicles, but in warehouses of armaments, ammunition, fuel and lubricants, headquarters, railway stations, bridges, etc., it’s quite suitable.
          There is a navigator - it is capable of shooting according to its data, or more precisely, arlgsn.
          1. +1
            22 June 2020 00: 08
            Well I do not know. winked Then there will be a "action" in the mine, 1 cruise missile for the price of two jackhammers, and the "miners" will build themselves a couple of divisions. The conflict can get out of the Donbass, and this is good for no one.
      2. 0
        22 June 2020 09: 26
        Comrade, you’re so meticulous, how could you even suggest that the anti-ship cruise missiles will be used for ground purposes?
        And by the way, ukrointsev that all "Points" are over?
    46. 0
      21 June 2020 18: 58
      I see no reason to be particularly ironic. The enemy appeared guided long-range weapons. In the presence of the necessary stock of missiles, VSU gets a trump card in the Donetsk and Lugansk directions. It is clear that they will not use these weapons against Russia. However, such a weapon can become a trump card in a separate operation.
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        0
        22 June 2020 09: 56
        300 km is a smaller radius, if in terms of the INF Treaty, under the non-proliferation of missile technology agreement, 300 km is something that can be sold to the Papuans.
        Even if you remove the ARLGSN from the RCC, then firing it at ground targets is extremely expensive ... like that (with Caliber and Tomahawks), and even under TV cameras, only we with the USA can afford it ....
        I'm not saying that the first 10 pieces will do 3 years and will be broken ...
        1. 0
          22 June 2020 19: 09
          If there is money, they will do in sufficient quantities. Given the complete puppet power in Ukraine, they will easily take loans for this disastrous business
          1. 5-9
            0
            23 June 2020 09: 30
            Don't tell me ... "there will be a day" not even for such vital things as tank repairs or mortars are normal ... and here is the CD, which in the West costs lam bucks and more apiece ...
    47. 0
      21 June 2020 20: 26
      Quote: Red Dragon
      And why should Neptune be used in the Donbass? From the contact line to the Russian border, offhand it is unlikely that somewhere more than 100 km. Cruise missiles, weapons are not cheap, to use them in an armored personnel carrier is so-so use. wink Then where to?

      And no one talks about tanks or armored personnel carriers. What, there are no goals for which the APU in which case can work? For example, on the building of the Administration? After all, 150 kg of a warhead is 150 kg of a warhead. Plus accuracy

      Quote: shoroh
      I see no reason to be particularly ironic. The enemy appeared guided long-range weapons. In the presence of the necessary stock of missiles, VSU gets a trump card in the Donetsk and Lugansk directions. It is clear that they will not use these weapons against Russia. However, such a weapon can become a trump card in a separate operation.

      Unfortunately for some it’s easier to fast than to think.
      1. +1
        22 June 2020 00: 20
        Well, from the administration of the city of Donetsk to the contact line of kilometers 15. If there was a desire, art or Grad can be worked out. To launch a cruise missile, with the risk that later the DPR will find a couple of divisions in the mine, the action is clearly not on the round five. Price againwinked
      2. 0
        22 June 2020 09: 32
        Quote: Old26
        What, there are no goals for which the APU in which case can work? For example, on the building of the Administration? After all, 150 kg of a warhead is 150 kg of a warhead. Plus accuracy

        I will ask again, And that the "points" have already ended? And what does accuracy have to do with it? In my opinion, accuracy is the least that worries the Koklov warriors, and even more so their leaders ...
    48. +1
      22 June 2020 00: 58
      UKRAINE has 100% of US support for all of it's missile projects- why would you think that Ukraines new version of "Harpoonski" is not more advanced than the Soviet version?
      1. 0
        22 June 2020 09: 41
        You see, Tom, it’s more profitable for the United States to support its military-industrial complex (by selling second-hand weapons to its slaves) rather than developing its own slaves.
        By the way, have they already bought Motor Sich, or have they simply been banned from selling to the Chinese?
    49. 0
      22 June 2020 08: 45
      Well, why constantly give this information?
      Sick people, talking sick people.
      Anger and hatred made Ukrainians completely insane.

      If they could and wanted, they would have destroyed the bridge, the fleet, and Novorossiysk long ago.
      And so - evil nonsense.

      Only who decides that we need all the week through all the information channels to rub this stuff into our heads?
      Here is a question.
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      0
      22 June 2020 10: 00
      I’m just wondering, did they gash it from scratch or did they import it from X-35 / Uranus?
      In general, in the world this can be done by those who are not quite Papuans, so the noise of the commander is not very clear ...
      Once again, the wheel of genotbot is spinning in the BSSR ... it’s overpowered in zrada, and that one is in ganba .... the fact that a couple of pieces were tested to find money, but that they find it, they can mass-produce it has nothing to do. ... in fact, such simple things as armored personnel carriers or the barrels of 120-mm mortars cannot do that either ... and then RCC.
    51. 0
      22 June 2020 12: 23
      Quote: Ilya Nikitich
      Quote: Old26
      What, there are no goals for which the APU in which case can work? For example, on the building of the Administration? After all, 150 kg of a warhead is 150 kg of a warhead. Plus accuracy

      I will ask again, And that the "points" have already ended? And what does accuracy have to do with it? In my opinion, accuracy is the least that worries the Koklov warriors, and even more so their leaders ...

      What, "Points" do not have a warranty period? They are at least 30 years old already. If not all, then most have already exceeded the warranty period.
      What does accuracy have to do with it? No, of course we can assume that for military personnel the accuracy of their weapons is a kind of sphero-horse. Especially for employees of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. (or are you one of them, one of the cabal warriors, and are well versed in what worries them and what doesn’t???
      But if you throw away all the political and ideological chaff, it becomes clear that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have received new high-precision weapons. And for the DPR-LPR this is far from good news

      Quote: Ilya Nikitich
      Comrade, you are so meticulous that it takes terrible things. You tell me honestly you need to go, or checkers?

      Are you at a military resource or are you sitting on a bench near the entrance and husking seeds (as an alternative - slaughtering a goat)????
      If on a military resource, then ACCURACY IS VALUED HERE.. But writing nonsense doesn’t require much intelligence. If you don’t know what to write, there is the whole Internet for help...

      Quote: 5-9
      I’m just wondering, did they gash it from scratch or did they import it from X-35 / Uranus?

      Of course not from scratch. And our "Uranus" - in fact, also had its predecessor - the American "Harpoon". How much we borrowed from "Harpoon" - HZ. As well as how much was borrowed from Uranus.
      They had a set of documentation for the engine back in the late 80s. Samples of "Uranus" probably too. Well, reengineering is not an impossible task for specialists. Moreover, the missile segment in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex has not yet been completely destroyed...

      Quote: 5-9
      Once again, the wheel of genotbot is spinning in the BSSR ... it’s overpowered in zrada, and that one is in ganba .... the fact that a couple of pieces were tested to find money, but that they find it, they can mass-produce it has nothing to do. ... in fact, such simple things as armored personnel carriers or the barrels of 120-mm mortars cannot do that either ... and then RCC.

      Still, do not underestimate the enemy. If there is a need, they will find money for government orders. And according to the State Defense Order, the Ukrainian Defense Forces plans to supply 120 missiles. Taking into account plans for the purchase of 3 divisions, this is 1,7 rounds of ammunition for these divisions. And, to be honest, it is impossible to say for sure what is easier to make: a rocket or an armored hull (or barrel). For me, a rocket is easier...
    52. 0
      22 June 2020 19: 30
      Even if, suddenly and unexpectedly, they launch something like this in our direction, many will no longer know how it will end for the territorial unitary Nazi entity called Ukraine.
    53. 0
      22 June 2020 19: 46
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      It's time to deal with these Sumerians. It is a pity that in 2014 they did not finish the job and did not return Novorossia back to Russia. So and so imposed sanctions. Half measures never lead to good. In addition to Crimea, it was also necessary to attach the Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. With the deprivation of these areas, industrial capacity, 15 million people and access to the seas, Ukraine would become a dwarf state like Romania.
      so it was necessary to go to war and return Novorossiya, and not lie on the sofa
    54. +1
      22 June 2020 22: 24
      Quote: komandir8
      Even if, suddenly and unexpectedly, they launch something like this in our direction, many will no longer know how it will end for the territorial unitary Nazi entity called Ukraine.

      The biggest mistake of many comments on VO is that only one side of the problem is considered. If we are talking about a new version of the American W-76-2 warhead with a yield of 5-6 kt instead of the standard 100-150, then for some reason the emphasis is placed exclusively on Russia, twisting a finger at their temple in relation to this American development. They say they hit us with 5 kt, and we will hit them with 10 megatons.
      No, the question is not only in relation to Russia. These new BGs are a “surgical instrument” for Americans to solve their problems anywhere in the world.
      The same applies to Neptune. Don't listen to the political chatter and propaganda cliches surrounding this issue. Ukrainian politicians perfectly distinguish between when it is possible and necessary for their own domestic consumption to say blah blah (we have sunk the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet, etc.) and reality. But the reality now is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, whether we want it or not, are receiving new high-precision weapons. Moreover, it is universal. Both in the anti-ship missile version and in the tactical missile version. It's the same with their new Alder system. And in the future, with the Grom-2 BRMD, which they are making for the Saudis. First of all, these weapons will be used not against Russia (the elite in Ukraine understands how this will end), but against their rebellious provinces. Let's mock their statements about the anti-Russian orientation of these weapons. Although it is the “second plan” that is most dangerous. Using all this against their "rebel provinces"

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