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In Ukraine: Neptune missile can reach ships in Novorossiysk

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In Ukraine: Neptune missile can reach ships in Novorossiysk

In Ukraine, they comment on the capabilities of their Neptune cruise missile, the tests of which ended a few days ago. Earlier, a statement was published in Ukrainian media stating that such a missile could "destroy the Crimean bridge."


New statements are no less odious. So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhirokhov) stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.

The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other targets, including "targets around the occupied Crimea."

The Neptune anti-ship cruise missile in Ukraine is endowed with the most incredible properties, up to the “impossibility of interception”. However, not everyone thinks so. Even the same Zhirokhov said that Russia has every opportunity to repel an attack carried out with the help of such missiles. However, he added that the Russian Federation has such opportunities “on paper”.

Zhirokhov:

The development of the Neptune rocket was carried out to contain the Black Sea fleet RF But the problem is that Ukraine is unlikely to find funds for its serial production. In addition, the missile system must be covered by a mobile anti-aircraft missile system. But while Ukraine does not have such a complex.

In Russia, they respond to expert statements with the following comments:

It is good that the Ukrainian military expert understands the following fact: if they really intend to use launchers from the Neptune Kyrgyz Republic against Russian Black Sea Fleet bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, these installations will be destroyed before the first attempt to launch a missile.

The country is controlled from the outside, and they remember everything about Crimea. Now Novorossiysk has already gathered.

"Neptune" refers to the class of subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles. The developer previously stated that it can be used as a percussion instrument against ships with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons, as well as against some coastal targets. The maximum range is 300 km.

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  1. Mouse
    Mouse 21 June 2020 08: 13 New
    25
    To want does not mean to be able to! wink
    1. WILL
      WILL 21 June 2020 08: 44 New
      35
      This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities. No, of course they can try to launch - just I do not think that subsonic anti-ship missiles are such a difficult target for air defense .... but the return will fly - it will not seem enough! In general, having received such a statement, not from the Expedition, but from the persons making the Decisions, it is necessary to act in advance, destroy the hell and production and all available stocks.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 June 2020 09: 23 New
        24
        Quote: ANIMAL
        In general, having received such a statement, not from the Expedition, but from the persons making the Decisions, it is necessary to be proactive, destroy the hell and production and all available stocks.

        This must be learned from Israel. Those Iranians are bombing despite NATO, the UN, and so on ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 21 June 2020 11: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          This must be learned from Israel. Those Iranians bomb despite NATO, the UN, etc.

          While ours (I mean .... rulers) do not learn to "give" hand "(and the same thing in the brain) all that ....". am .... "from the side of the" horses "will continue.
          Although it’s easier to declare “the country 404” terrorist (precedent is the complete seizure of ships and hostages, the undermining of power transmission lines, sabotage on the water main, the persecution and slander of the Russian-speaking population and its destruction) and all ........ "mouth" Skakuas opened and ..... "caliber"
          in the "pumpkin" received.
          And everything will end very quickly and ... "ahead of schedule."
          But for this it is necessary ........... but here we have, unfortunately ... not at all soldier This is IMHO
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 21 June 2020 16: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            While ours (I mean .... rulers) do not learn to "give" hands "

            To do this, at least you do not need to talk and behave like a liberal trash.
          2. private person
            private person 22 June 2020 08: 53 New
            -1
            and ..... "caliber"
            in the "pumpkin" received.


            Why so weak? Maybe it's better right away with a nuclear missile? There it’s simpler than one - the second such expert to feed mosquitoes into Mordovia for 10-15 years so that others follow the “broom”.
            1. ancient
              ancient 22 June 2020 10: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: private person
              Why so weak?

              That’s why, that ... "weakly" .. we are all blasphemed by everyone and on every corner ... and we only cheeks on Twitter and we express concern.
              What is so about us ... about the nuclear power, so .. "feet wiped"? recourse
              Quote: private person
              Maybe it's better right away with a nuclear missile?

              Filling ... it's in pies wassat and .. "it will bring everything to us" ..... about the "wind rose" have you ever heard of?
              .
              Quote: private person
              There it’s simpler than one - the second such expert to feed mosquitoes into Mordovia for 10-15 years so that others follow the “broom”.

              There are terrorists, .. "letting go" ... and you are planning to take someone out ... in the trunk ... to take out .... not even funny ...
              . "THEY" in the "that" side even ....... afraid to see wassat
      2. figwam
        figwam 21 June 2020 09: 30 New
        +9
        Quote: ANIMAL
        This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities.

        Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 21 June 2020 10: 05 New
          +5
          Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

          Svidomye Mriy laughing laughing laughing
          1. major147
            major147 21 June 2020 11: 01 New
            +6
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

            Svidomye Mriy laughing laughing laughing

            Let the respected countryman add his "drop of tar" in the Svidomo barrel of the same substance.
            “The financial condition of Ukraine can cause“ serious problems ”at the Neptune series production stage. A few months ago, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant, the only Ukrainian producer of solid fuel for the complex, practically stopped its work, about 700 highly skilled specialists were laid off.”
          2. Sergey269
            Sergey269 21 June 2020 12: 08 New
            +9
            Something quickly skakuasy Debaltseve and Ilovaisk forgot their frightened faces when crossing the Russian border!
            1. Mikhail Carpel
              Mikhail Carpel 22 June 2020 18: 59 New
              0
              In Debaltseve, you drove the Ukrainians into the boiler?
              1. Sergey269
                Sergey269 24 June 2020 15: 57 New
                0
                If necessary, I will also drive you, I have experience ...
                1. Mikhail Carpel
                  Mikhail Carpel 24 June 2020 20: 18 New
                  0
                  Pampers do not forget to change, warrior
                  1. Sergey269
                    Sergey269 25 June 2020 08: 43 New
                    0
                    Not a “warrior”, but a military pensioner, 23 years of service, with benefits 30. A retired colonel retired ... Something like this, diaper master, Pediatril. Sorry, you didn’t fall for me ...
                  2. Sergey269
                    Sergey269 25 June 2020 08: 56 New
                    0
                    With a broken spine, "Exercise number 8 from the NFP" I still perform perfectly ... And you only have thoughts about diapers!
                  3. Sergey269
                    Sergey269 25 June 2020 09: 38 New
                    0
                    Phone number, size, company, - I will send. Maybe bedding for pet dogs will do? Do not be shy, write what I can, the help!
                    1. Mikhail Carpel
                      Mikhail Carpel 25 June 2020 20: 26 New
                      0
                      What got agitated like this, normal military do not write about their merits, and do not measure their pussy
                    2. Mikhail Carpel
                      Mikhail Carpel 25 June 2020 20: 28 New
                      0
                      The second rule of the Fight Club: never tell anyone about the Fight Club.
                      1. Mikhail Carpel
                        Mikhail Carpel 11 July 2020 16: 03 New
                        0
                        Well, where did the colonel of the couch merge?
        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 21 June 2020 10: 11 New
          +5
          ..... The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other goals, including "goals around the occupied Crimea" .....

          ...... and after 15 minutes a state called Ukraine will cease to exist.
          And it’s better to send this expert ... for forced treatment.
        3. 4ekist
          4ekist 21 June 2020 10: 21 New
          +7
          Lately, too many Ukrainian military “experts” have appeared, even among ladies with reduced social .....
          1. Sergey269
            Sergey269 22 June 2020 10: 04 New
            0
            It remains only to add a boy with a cardboard tank ...
      3. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 21 June 2020 10: 31 New
        +7
        There are no decision makers in Ukraine - decisions are made at the Washington Regional Committee. And yet there are still not everyone on the head of the pot.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 21 June 2020 14: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Metallurg_2
          There are no decision makers in Ukraine - decisions are made at the Washington Regional Committee. And yet there are still not everyone on the head of the pot.

          They decided to bend over to the vile military industrial complex in the hope that the trampampam would all be raking in the election. Now they will start buzzing, come on, give money, otherwise Russia wants to enslave us. The Black Sea Fleet is able to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth three times.
          1. Mikhail Carpel
            Mikhail Carpel 22 June 2020 18: 54 New
            -2
            Do you serve in the Black Sea Fleet and go to war with the Ukrainians?
            1. Sergey269
              Sergey269 23 June 2020 10: 22 New
              +1
              Do you think that Russia is at war with you, for you it is an aggressor? So declare war, tear diplomatic relations! You look, and Russia will come to you ... It will be completely different, this is not to fight with militias ... Pleasure is not pleasant!
      4. hydrox
        hydrox 21 June 2020 12: 21 New
        0
        Yes, there is no production there: it can be done by any engineering team in any full-cycle engineering production (or by cooperation).
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 21 June 2020 19: 59 New
        +1
        let the "Neptunes" better armor the dams of the Dnieper cascade
      6. Mikhail Carpel
        Mikhail Carpel 22 June 2020 18: 52 New
        -1
        Will you send a return lying on the couch?
    2. Benedict
      Benedict 21 June 2020 09: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: Mouse
      To want does not mean to be able to! wink

      In in! The keyword "hold out" .. But in Soviet times, on the outskirts of the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west .. Shameful ..!
      1. edmed
        edmed 21 June 2020 09: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Benito
        the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west.

        Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the medium-range SS-20, the Satan-ICBM.
        1. Benedict
          Benedict 21 June 2020 09: 27 New
          0
          Quote: edmed
          Quote: Benito
          the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west.

          Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the medium-range SS-20, the Satan-ICBM.

          I'm not special, excuse me, confused, but in fact rocket science in the Ukrainian SSR was at the highest level in those years .. Question Where is EVERYTHING?
          1. edmed
            edmed 21 June 2020 09: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: Benito
            . Question Where is ALL?

            In the same place as the Soviet Union, the rest are doping the legacy of whoever can.
            1. Benedict
              Benedict 21 June 2020 11: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: edmed
              Quote: Benito
              . Question Where is ALL?

              In the same place as the Soviet Union, the rest are doping the legacy of whoever can.

              Well, in Russia they still managed to maintain the basis of the military-industrial complex, etc. ! Of course, Ukraine was stuffed with high-tech production (the whole country), but ..
              We had a good lesson ..
              Now we can still “butt” with the USA, etc. No wonder they started yelling again about the "Russian threat", etc.
              In the future, Ukraine will wake up as an agricultural country .. No rocket science, shipbuilding and other space technologies .. They didn’t live up to our hopes .. such theft and looting, the world did not know ... Even they don’t have the right to produce their own fat ..
              PS Now they live like "Quiet Ukrainian night, but it is better to hide the lard wassat
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      2. Sailor
        Sailor 21 June 2020 09: 12 New
        +5
        SS-20 is a medium-range missile, and they were produced in my opinion in the Russian Federation, but Satan is SS-18, and Yuzhmash did it in Dnepropetrovsk.
      3. RESEARCHER
        RESEARCHER 21 June 2020 10: 36 New
        +3
        KEYWORD, Ukraine has NO MONEY for production. Therefore, the calculation of inadequate Bandera and other loonies is glad that they can at least allocate something from the budget. But seriously commenting, arguing, proving is the same as a bull’s reaction to a red rag.
        So you, dear forum users, do not get very excited and better save your time and peace of mind.
      4. major147
        major147 21 June 2020 11: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Benito
        Shameful ..!

        According to Konstantin Sivkov, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Neptune is a version Soviet rockets.
    3. Trevis
      Trevis 21 June 2020 09: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: Mouse
      To want does not mean to be able to!

      Pipka has not grown. Let them hang out more often.
    4. Civil
      Civil 21 June 2020 09: 20 New
      -12
      Russian-Ukrainian friendship is growing stronger.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 21 June 2020 11: 16 New
        11
        I turned the “friendship” with such Banderzyans at the speed of AI-24 screws laughing
        Greetings from RUSSIAN Sevastopol! tongue
        1. ApJlekuHo
          ApJlekuHo 22 June 2020 00: 00 New
          -1
          I turned the “friendship” with such Banderzyans at the speed of AI-24 screws

          You lived in that country 6 years ago, if you are not lying .. Only an unwise person can project statements of corrupt, pro-Western media to all the people of Ukraine. A bunch of "Bendera" and their shepherds in the Rada, these are not Ukrainians, this is a system failure. It seems to me that your goal is to overthrow people with your stupid slogans.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 21 June 2020 13: 17 New
        +2
        No one sane with friends will not be friends.
    5. AUL
      AUL 21 June 2020 09: 44 New
      +6
      So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.
      And Mr. military expert Zhikhorov knows which Russian can rockets reach Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...
      1. major147
        major147 21 June 2020 11: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: AUL
        And Mr. Military Expert Zhikhorov knows which Russian missiles can reach Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...

        According to Konstantin Sivkov, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Russia possesses weapons whose range is two to two and a half times that of Ukrainian missiles.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 21 June 2020 22: 25 New
        0
        Quote: AUL
        So, in the publication “Business Capital”, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), stated that the KR “Neptune” is able to “reach” Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Novorossiysk.
        And Mr. military expert Zhikhorov knows which Russian can rockets reach Kiev? To Lviv? And there are such ...

        Kuev can be reached by the Kyrgyz Republic MB and the ALCM, the land version of the Caliber will be adapted by its naval version ....
        OTRK "Iskander" armed with the KR and BR, can also be modernized in terms of increasing the range of destruction of targets ...
        The most important feature of the Caliber complex is its versatility. Exist Four options for this system. "Caliber-NK" is intended for installation on surface ships, "Caliber-PL" is proposed for submarines, "Caliber-A" is designed for use by aircraft, and "Caliber-M" is a mobile land complex. For use as part of a particular modification of the complex, missiles with various equipment and characteristics are offered.

        https://topwar.ru/84004-raketnyy-kompleks-kalibr-siriya-harakteristiki-i-politika.html
        Another interesting question is whether the land version of this missile will be created. If we leave for now the discussion of the real range of land-based missiles of the Iskander-M complex 9M728 and 9M729 (the arguments of the Russian and American sides on these issues are known, but the truth will become known a little later), then it is very likely that, in the case of the almost inevitable "untimely death" of the INF Treaty, the land version of Caliber-M can also be created. And then all Eurasia, and not only it, will be under the gun of the winged Iskanders. So it’s probably possible to expect a similar step by the Russian side, but it will only follow after the creation of the marine version of the Caliber-M KR.

        https://topwar.ru/152250-superkalibr.html
    6. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 21 June 2020 14: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Mouse
      To want does not mean to be able to! wink

      Yes, and what 300 km? 80 km.
      Ukraine announced the successful testing of the RK-360MC Neptune anti-ship missile system, and now, according to Ukrainian experts, Kiev will be able to dictate its conditions to Russia in the Black and Azov Seas.
      Starts took place at the Alibey state training ground in the Odessa region. The lighters acting as targets were hit from a distance of 80 km. This was an occasion for Ukraine to talk about its ability to conduct a much more aggressive policy in the Black Sea region.


      The whole point of persistent PR about RCC Neptune.
      Kiev does not have an atomic bomb that could strike Russia, so Ukraine will be engaged in the "reintegration" of Donbass and Crimea by information methods, said in March this year, Verkhovna Rada deputy from the presidential party "Servant of the People" Nikita Poturaev.

      https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/21/13124971.shtml
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 June 2020 08: 19 New
    +8
    Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist. And just a little bit so that all coastal weapons would follow him.
    Why do these "experts" never think about retaliatory actions on an attempt, for example, to destroy the Crimean bridge?
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 21 June 2020 08: 34 New
      13
      so that the Ukrainian fleet ceases to exist.

      Does he exist? Can you call this semblance a fleet? recourse
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 June 2020 08: 36 New
        +7
        Does he exist?

        There are ropes ... But only for sebe)))))
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 June 2020 08: 43 New
          +6
          The name speaks for itself ... FU is FU! wassat
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 21 June 2020 08: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Mouse
        Does he exist? Can you call this semblance a fleet?

        So we transferred their fleet, after an epic breakthrough under escort to Kerch bully
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 21 June 2020 09: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Why do these "experts" never think about retaliatory actions on an attempt, for example, to destroy the Crimean bridge?

      What do you mean, "they are for SHO." They won’t even start discussing a new cool law. A referendum on the accession of new territories to Ukraine announced at Zelensky . True, if they adopt such a law, then why should they shoot at the Crimean bridge and Novorossiysk? They will unanimously vote for the annexation of the Krasnodar Territory and Stavropol Territory to Ukraine and that’s all, shoot no longer ...
      1. major147
        major147 21 June 2020 11: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: Fitter65
        A referendum on the accession of new territories to Ukraine announced at Zelensky

        So they play "on the contrary." "Let's not notice that the pieces are falling off from the country, we will pretend that someone wants to join us! And we will still think about accepting them in our" state of the world ", we will hold a referendum, because not everyone is worthy!"
    3. Benedict
      Benedict 21 June 2020 09: 05 New
      +8
      Quote: Wedmak
      Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist.

      Yes, no, for a long time the "Ukrainian fleet" alone, "admirals" remained laughing
      1. Gogamagoga
        Gogamagoga 21 June 2020 10: 51 New
        0
        and not admirals at all, but as in the old soviet joke: drop-drop, drop three, drop two, drop once and the admiral ...
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 22 June 2020 19: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Benito
        Quote: Wedmak
        Russia will need a lot less missiles for the Ukrainian fleet to cease to exist.

        Yes, no, for a long time the "Ukrainian fleet" alone, "admirals" remained laughing

        And rafts, inflatable boats ...? winked
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 21 June 2020 13: 22 New
      0
      Russia is enough for a couple of missiles to turn this entire territory into a desert, though the junta doesn’t give a damn, they plan to be the first to slip off, if that.
      1. Mikhail Carpel
        Mikhail Carpel 22 June 2020 19: 44 New
        -1
        Will you launch rockets?
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 June 2020 08: 21 New
    -8
    I understand that the tests are over? Is the missile adopted? The goals may be different, this is undeniable. Like the Wishlist.
    I’m much more interested in the statements not of this Zhirokhov, but of those "experts" who wrote about the "water pipe with GPS" three years ago, and not the rocket, because "all the engineers left for Poland to strawberries" ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 June 2020 08: 34 New
      12
      They wrote about the “water pipe with GPS” and not the rocket, because “all the engineers left for Poland for strawberries” ...

      This is the same X-35 on anabolic steroids. Increased the length, reduced the caliber, slightly increased the warhead, stuck GPS. What is there such a breakthrough, invisible and formidable - it is not clear.
      The goals may be different, this is undeniable.

      Yeah ... but in my opinion, only those from whom you do not have to wait for an answer.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 June 2020 09: 41 New
      +5
      Nobody developed Neptune, they already had it in the form of X-35 (3M24 is the index, if sclerosis does not fail), it remains to add only DGPS and more on the little things, then grind files and deal with the end. Even the PU was.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 21 June 2020 13: 50 New
        +1
        A reference sample of the X-35 KB Luch received in 2002, Kharkov aircraft factory documentation. PU Ball, apparently a working prototype. No one changed the size, increased the supply of kerosene due to warheads. Initially, range 130, warhead 150. In fact, Russian enterprises gave the order to subcontractors, remaining with their gesheft.
    3. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 21 June 2020 09: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      and those "experts" who wrote about "a water pipe with GPS" three years ago, and not a rocket, because "all the engineers left for Poland to strawberries" ...

      All documentation, samples were available, key components were produced. Including an engine that Ukraine itself would never, in principle, have made. Glider - a trifle, not so important, but still.
      The GOS is new, but the GOS of the “hit the target” level is the easiest with current electronics. Despite the fact that there was a technical base in Ukraine, and the ARLGSN for the Air Defense Forces were quite produced for themselves, that is, people with some experience were not only in abstract electronics. There are small-scale production of guided missiles of various types, solid fuel for accelerators - already a giant plant of the USSR left, with all the serial technologies and recipes. Ukrainian PKR a la "clone of Uranus" is only a matter of time and desire.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 21 June 2020 14: 06 New
        +1
        Not time and desire, but the development of the economy of the productive forces, and just with this is a complete seam
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 June 2020 08: 23 New
    +4
    I recalled a joke about an elderly gentleman at a doctor's appointment: ... and a neighbor says that three times a night!
    So you say! wassat
    However, I never liked the direction of their thoughts. It’s good that “God doesn’t give a horny goat”!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 June 2020 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Reminded a joke

      It reminds me of virtual reality:
      Virtually there is a rocket that can destroy the Russian fleet, but in reality we have ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 22 June 2020 19: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        It reminds me of virtual reality:
        Virtually there is a rocket that can destroy the Russian fleet, but in reality we have

        good
        An elderly man runs to the urologist, takes off his pants and begins to lament: Doctor! Oh, wei! What should I do with him, he is so small! Doctor calmly: hmm, to carry ....
        Bandera patients of a psychiatric dispensary who are not covered by specialized medical care can whisper about the atomic bomb, missiles, how to sting, and sabotage detachments, Russia needs to do something bad, America is with us .... Someday doctors will come and treat me.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 21 June 2020 09: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Reminded a joke

      Daily diet of an elephant in a zoo:
      Cabbage -20kg.
      Carrots -50kg.
      Apples -30kg.
      Bananas -40kg.
      And then everything is in the know ...
      1. edmed
        edmed 21 June 2020 09: 27 New
        +3
        laughing
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Daily diet of an elephant in a zoo:
        Cabbage -20kg.
        Carrots -50kg.
        Apples -30kg.
        Bananas -40kg.
        And then everything is in the know ...

        "He will sit down to eat, but who can he give him!" laughing
  5. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 21 June 2020 08: 23 New
    14
    In Ukraine, how many types of weapons do Russia have that can cover any point in Ukraine and in the world?
  6. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 21 June 2020 08: 31 New
    11
    It's time to deal with these Sumerians. It is a pity that in 2014 they did not finish the job and did not return Novorossia back to Russia. So and so imposed sanctions. Half measures never lead to good. In addition to Crimea, it was also necessary to attach the Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. With the deprivation of these areas, industrial capacity, 15 million people and access to the seas, Ukraine would become a dwarf state like Romania.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 21 June 2020 09: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      It is a pity that in 2014 they did not finish the job and did not return Novorossia back to Russia.

      Not too late.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 21 June 2020 11: 24 New
      -4
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      It's time to deal with these Sumerians.

      A painless way.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 21 June 2020 11: 32 New
        +1
        Do you continue to ride for Zelensky or are you on the mute "Mute President"? Or have you been Bendera from the very beginning, and are still skipping for Poroshenko and Bender?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 June 2020 11: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Do you continue to ride for Zelensky or are you on the mute "Mute President"? Or have you been Bendera from the very beginning, and are still skipping for Poroshenko and Bender?

          Well, you piled a bunch here! Filter the bazaar. fool Carrying anything. When did I ride and was for Bandera? But I just suggested sending ukroekspertov to where they belong, in connection with another exacerbation. Or are you against it? Then I'm sorry, I didn’t know that you would regret them. request
    3. Mikhail Carpel
      Mikhail Carpel 22 June 2020 19: 02 New
      -2
      Well, go figure it out, enlist in the army and show yourself, hero
  7. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 21 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +9
    Well, maybe it can, or maybe it can not ... and the AK-74 bullet can kill a Ukrainian expert .. so what?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 June 2020 09: 42 New
      +1
      Once iksperd wrote very not bad books.
      1. major147
        major147 21 June 2020 11: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Once iksperd wrote very not bad books.

        Apparently the situation in the country dictates other requirements. It is necessary to maintain a certain “confidence in the power of the state” in the population.
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 21 June 2020 09: 45 New
      +1
      Danger must always be considered.
      Argentina had 5 received Exetos aircraft out of 28 ordered, 2 British warships sank ... If the Sumerians use these harpoon-like missiles at all levels, from flight tests during the creation to exercises of calculations and command post, they will be absolutely dangerous.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 21 June 2020 10: 04 New
        +5
        The analogy in my opinion is “far-fetched” .. Is there any danger in which we are planning a naval battle with the great Navy or our landing for them? Or are you talking about what to consider when planning (though the British also considered)?
        The APU tank brigade to Belgorod can do much more damage, for example, if it came out to do, but do you really believe that it could be? The air defense, which is now on this minute on duty — it’s all the same what nationality a missile is shot down — it just works and protects it — from the appearance of a couple of dozen copies of the X-35 among Ukrainians — nothing changes in the service .. Even if we assume a war with Ukraine, it will definitely not be naval battles .. but if you mean that the air defense calculations need not to relax on duty, I completely agree, you never need to ..
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 June 2020 10: 11 New
          +1
          The tank attack on Belgorod is from the realm of fantasy.
          But the incident at sea with the detention of the ship, capable of growing before the launch of anti-ship missiles under some special circumstances, is not only reality, but is incomparably more realistic.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 21 June 2020 10: 17 New
            +3
            Yes, I’m saying that the air defense, regardless of the presence of APU missiles, also works to intercept .. and so hypothetically .. you also need to take into account that during the detention the Navy’s vessel can ram, it can be a firewall, it can be a trap, that's all understandable and logical .. The news is essentially in something that some kind of iksperd popped up the idea that you can hit Novoross and now we are discussing this? I'm just talking about it ..
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 June 2020 10: 31 New
              -1
              I think it’s easier.
              Someone who illustrated the range of Neptune in style is able to get to Novorossiysk, and the information was given that they will shoot almost tomorrow.
              So quite often in the press they do, passions wind up.
        2. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 21 June 2020 10: 27 New
          +2
          It is a weapon, and it kills.
          Any civilian ship will be sunk by this anti-ship missile or - if the ship is very large - at least critically damage. The usefulness of using such pieces against warships of the Russian Navy is in great doubt. But again: there are amphibious assault tugs. Which of the "air defense" - a self-defense machine gun and MANPADS. Sumerians can shoot from the shore.
          And the Sumerians do not need a large series. In Ukraine, it cannot be big. Semi-handicraft production of 1-10 pieces per year is no different from the manufacture of single products. And obviously in strength. The fact that 50 years ago in electronics was a high-tech of insanely complex, today - in Chinese consumer goods at $ 2.50 per ten pieces. High-resolution radars are cheaply set to track a cat's movement around the house. By the way, another 17 years ago, one Australian Simpson proved this by building a perfectly suitable cruise missile in the garage ... and the most expensive was a turbojet engine for modellers.
          In general, there is no need to relax. Everything can be.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 June 2020 12: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        they will certainly be dangerous.

        laughing Are these? Exclusively for themselves. yes
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 June 2020 12: 41 New
          +3
          That’s for sure, they would have to attend to this, and not threaten their fists.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 June 2020 08: 33 New
    +6
    Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships on the basis of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.
    One regrets that he did not "drown the Russians in blood" in the Crimea, another dreams of the Kuban and beyond, now the next "warrior" wants to reach missiles to Novorossiysk ... The American military already lives and settles in this territory, Canada sends in addition to the existing 90 instructors, American PMCs, and we are all talking about the "fraternal people" who may suffer from our sanctions, not to mention any other actions.
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 21 June 2020 08: 33 New
    +7
    ... "In Ukraine: the Neptune missile can reach the ships in Novorossiysk ..."
    It’s only necessary to add that if this missile “reaches” Russian ships, Ukro-ina itself can “stretch its legs” lol
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 June 2020 08: 48 New
      +5
      In my youth, we had a humorous saying: "Do not stretch your arms, otherwise you will stretch your legs." wink
  10. svp67
    svp67 21 June 2020 08: 35 New
    +9
    The appearance of Neptune anti-ship missiles at the Armed Forces of Ukraine is of course their success. But he is not fixed. Since there is no understanding yet how much and at what time they will be able to release them in series. In addition, being the "sister" of the Soviet X-35, it is not something "new" for Russian air defense systems.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 June 2020 08: 43 New
      +4
      Sergei hi but it doesn’t matter. For them, the main thing is to crow. wink
  11. basal
    basal 21 June 2020 08: 57 New
    +7
    I, as in the past an engineer who dealt with the development of rockets, approach the issue without unnecessary emotions. To create a rocket, it is not enough to dust off the old Soviet drawings and build something rocket-like. A rocket is a very complex product. Even if you try to just make the product according to the finished drawings, it is unlikely that you will get sensible. Well, if you make changes ... Excuse me, but where is the R&D complex (research and development work, if anyone does not know)? And where is the technical base of R&D (research and production), where are the experts, not just literate, but thoroughly versed in the essence of the issue? Since the days of the USSR were mothballed? Sorry it doesn’t happen. After all, we also have the main problem - the loss of succession of personnel, but Russia at least invests considerable money, albeit with a scratch, but there is movement. What about Ukraine? Where did the money come from, Zin? Remember how much noise was around the new AN, so what? They rolled out a cute yellowish airplane, rode through the territory on a rope and safely forgot ...
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 21 June 2020 09: 19 New
      +2
      The same thing happened with the BTR-4 repeat
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 21 June 2020 13: 27 New
        0
        And with the "stronghold" it was still the same.
    2. Avior
      Avior 21 June 2020 09: 20 New
      -8
      Neptune is not a copy of Uranus, they differ in size.
      Working enterprises are engaged in Neptune.
      KB Luch, KhAZ, engine Motor Sich-, GSN- Radionics.
      1. basal
        basal 21 June 2020 09: 29 New
        +2
        Tell me, I'm not in the know. Since when does Motor Sich work with rocket engines? As far as I remember from the days of the USSR, this is the Ukrainian branch of the Leningrad Design Bureau Klimov (helicopter engines are a priority). I strongly doubt that it would occur to someone in their right mind to give Klimov's design bureau a technical task for a rocket engine. There is no appropriate base, no specialists. Yes, and enough of their tasks.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 June 2020 09: 44 New
          -5
          The engine has been producing engines for cruise missiles since the first Soviet anti-ship missiles in the 50s.
          Technically, this is not a problem for him.
          About Klimov’s branch, it’s not even close to reality. There is no direct connection between them.
          Motor has a large nomenclature, and helicopter - only a part of them.
          By the way, next to the Motor KB Ivchenko-Progress.
          1. basal
            basal 21 June 2020 09: 53 New
            +2
            Thanks for the info. I will not argue about the relationship with Klimov Design Bureau, although as far as I remember, the development of helicopter engines began on the basis of the development of Klimovites. But where did you get about rocket engines I do not understand. Even on the official site of Motor Sich there is nothing about it. Is there anything about the development of aircraft and helicopter engines, a word about rocket engines - is it strange, do not you think?
            1. Red Dragon
              Red Dragon 21 June 2020 10: 13 New
              -4
              Not weird. wink All rocket engines are secret, so they are not laid out on the site, away from sin. By the way, how does the rocket engine for cruise subsonic missiles (cruise missiles is a mini plane) differ from a conventional aircraft engine in the complexity of manufacturing and design? I’ll answer right away. Nothing, moreover, a rocket engine is simpler, no need to lay a large resource. wink
              1. basal
                basal 21 June 2020 10: 21 New
                +2
                I am not an engine operator, so I will not argue, although I strongly doubt the identity of engines for cruise missiles and aircraft. Here for the drone, yes - this is obvious. Well, what about secrecy ... Almaz-Antey, or, say, Energy do not hide that they are engaged in missiles. Why do they need it? For the Caliber complex (which is quite real and tested in military operations in Syria), the Novator Design Bureau (Yekaterinburg) makes a rocket. Open information, where are the secrets?
                1. Red Dragon
                  Red Dragon 21 June 2020 10: 36 New
                  -4
                  So a cruise missile is a single-use subsonic “drone”. wink
            2. Avior
              Avior 21 June 2020 10: 20 New
              -6
              They are not placed in a separate category.
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A095-300

              http://www.missiles.ru/arhiv/10.htm
              MC400 on the site is
            3. svp67
              svp67 21 June 2020 13: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: basal
              I will not argue about the relationship with Klimov Design Bureau, although as far as I remember, the development of helicopter engines began on the basis of the development of Klimovites.

              But in vain ... Motor Sich for a long time produced precisely Klimovsk helicopter engines.
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 June 2020 15: 39 New
                -2
                He is releasing it now.
                But not only climatic
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 June 2020 17: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  But not only climatic

                  Wait, but more recently, you argued that Motor Sich is not connected at all with Klimov’s side ... So where is the truth?
                  1. Red Dragon
                    Red Dragon 21 June 2020 17: 11 New
                    -1
                    My colleague did not deny the connection between Motor Sich and Klimov. He wrote, in response to a user comment, that Motor Sich is not a Ukrainian branch of Klimov. wink wink
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 21 June 2020 20: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Red Dragon
                      My colleague did not deny the connection between Motor Sich and Klimov.

                      Sorry, but otherwise it’s somehow hard to understand ...
                      About Klimov’s branch, it’s not even close to reality. There is no direct connection between them..

                      Now, of course, there is no connection, but it was direct ... otherwise, the production of a “foreign” design bureau cannot be put into production
              2. Red Dragon
                Red Dragon 21 June 2020 16: 24 New
                +1
                TV3-117-Klimovsk development. AI450 - SE "Ivchenko-Progress". wink
      2. svp67
        svp67 21 June 2020 13: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        Neptune is not a copy of Uranus, they differ in size.

        Of course of course....
        Given the fact that at the Kharkov Aviation Plant, even in the days before the collapse of the USSR, the production of X-35 rocket bodies was being established ... then of course ...
        Find 10 differences.

        1. Avior
          Avior 21 June 2020 15: 49 New
          -2
          The length, diameter and weight of the missiles are different.
          1. svp67
            svp67 21 June 2020 17: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            The length, diameter and weight of the missiles are different.

            we omit the "diameter", it is up to 0,42 here and there ... The rest is a matter of "taste" and "possibilities." And it’s so clear that they are made on the basis of one “grandparent”
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 June 2020 17: 37 New
              -5
              In one case, 0.38; in the other, o. 42.
              Length differs by 65 cm
              That is, clearly done not according to the old drawings, as someone wrote above.
              The weight of the rocket is very noticeable.
              And the fact that the basis is that Uranus, that Neptune is the Soviet x-35, and in a broader sense, the American Harpoon, is undoubted.
              1. svp67
                svp67 21 June 2020 20: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                In one case, 0.38; in the other, o. 42.
                Length differs by 65 cm
                "That is, clearly done not according to the old drawings, as someone wrote above.
                The weight of the rocket is very noticeable.

                In Soviet times, it was planned that serial production of the X-35 anti-ship missile will be carried out at the Kharkov Aviation Plant. The company has left the technical documentation for the production of the X-35 missile body. Do not use existing equipment and a production line, but stupidly spend government money on developing a new building, in the opinion of the general designer of the State Committee for Design and Design Bureau “Luch”, it was incorrect. Yes, in the future we will switch to composite materials, we will develop a new building that will be much better to meet the requirements of stealth. But now time does not tolerate. We need results. And they are. "
                https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1112935.html
  12. Ham
    Ham 21 June 2020 08: 57 New
    +4
    and what not immediately to Vladivostok?
    Why print nonsense of different ukro-iksperdy print?
  13. venik
    venik 21 June 2020 09: 02 New
    -1
    "...person, calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov), said that the KR "Neptune" is able to "reach" Russian warships on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk ..... "
    =======
    Ah, pug! Know she is strong, since barks at an elephant!
    Is this “couch expert” interesting in the course that the famous Neptune is just a copy (and not the most successful one) of the Russian X-35 Uranus? Or is he not familiar ???
  14. Incompetent
    Incompetent 21 June 2020 09: 08 New
    -14
    Maybe these are not the best missiles, but he will succeed in hammering the channels of our air defense, and when attacking the Crimea, not only Ukrainian missiles will be used, but also missiles of NATO countries! And if the top leadership of Russia had “eggs” and in 2014 helped Yanyku, then these missiles would be looking in the direction of, for example, Romania!
    1. venik
      venik 21 June 2020 11: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Incompetent
      Maybe it's not the best missiles, but he will succeed in hammering the channels of our air defense

      ========
      Given the technical and financial capabilities of Ukraine, as well as the pace at which this “Neptune” is being produced, it is extremely doubtful that in the next 10 to 15 years they could at least “score” something! Moreover, in addition to air defense / missile defense systems in the Crimea and Taman, there are also deployed electronic warfare systems (you should not howl about them either!).
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 21 June 2020 13: 29 New
      +1
      You might think that NATO countries will want to die for the breeder’s mri.
  15. Masha
    Masha 21 June 2020 09: 14 New
    +4
    Will Russia threaten the resettlement?
    I'm already afraid .... wassat
  16. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 21 June 2020 09: 27 New
    +4
    Excerpts from the article- "Drill to Novorossiysk ..":
    "However, it is not yet clear when the industry will pump out all three promised divisions. And yet, according to American analysts, at least four divisions are needed to reliably cover our coastline. And only three have been ordered in words."
    A few months ago, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant (the country's only producer of solid fuel for the Neptune complex) practically stopped its work, about 700 highly skilled specialists were fired.
    Speaking about the capabilities of the Russian military machine, then, besides the naval Caliber, the Kremlin also has, for example, Iskander. And there is complete superiority in the air. So, Neptune, in the course of combat work, should at least hide behind (and hide behind itself seriously) a mobile anti-aircraft missile system, which the APU does not yet have.
    In general, the impression of the article- Pompous boast looking around!
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 June 2020 09: 33 New
    -13
    enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 21 June 2020 09: 47 New
      +2
      And you see the special goals. Maybe they’ve already prepared a rocket launcher? laughing
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 June 2020 10: 36 New
        -6
        No ... I travel around the region for work .... I just know industrial facilities. Open the map and you will find out.
    2. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 10: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.


      And the distances, for example, to Nevinnomyssk or Sochi?

      The maximum range is 300 km.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 June 2020 10: 35 New
        -4
        It is necessary to measure. There, in a straight line, not far through the mountains.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 June 2020 10: 43 New
        -6
        By car, if you take the triangle Rostov-Krasnodar-Nevinnomyssk. Between each other + or - 300km
  18. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 June 2020 09: 42 New
    +4
    Mriy - mriy. There were mrii about lace panties, dreaming to bare backsides. And from such missile “dreams” one can dream at all.
  19. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 21 June 2020 09: 45 New
    +1
    Receive by the knob.
  20. Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 June 2020 09: 45 New
    +1
    This is what happens when Napoleons are not treated, but put in the presidency ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 21 June 2020 10: 02 New
      +1
      As soon as I see this miracle on TV, I immediately remember the comedy.
    2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 21 June 2020 10: 02 New
      0
      These Napoleons are dragging Caesars, Mozart and other well-deserved characters.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 21 June 2020 10: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        mozart

        And, yes, he’s a master on the piano ... Here’s the military-industrial complex, too, he plays the piano without hands ... The hands grow from the same place as the legs ...
        1. Ilya Nikitich
          Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 08: 56 New
          +1

          Something like this...
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        2. Ilya Nikitich
          Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 08: 57 New
          0
          And they have a head there
  21. Avior
    Avior 21 June 2020 09: 47 New
    -8
    . The state order for R-360 cruise missiles, which are part of the new Ukrainian coastal anti-ship complex "Neptune" (RK-360MC "Neptune"), is 120 units, said Vladimir Semenov, Director for Corporate Rights and Investment Projects of Motor Sich OJSC.
  22. tochila
    tochila 21 June 2020 09: 59 New
    +2
    Wet dreams of a pimple teen !!!!
  23. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 21 June 2020 09: 59 New
    +1
    In psychiatric hospitals, people who are probably stronger by reason than some figures from the neighboring territory lie.
  24. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 21 June 2020 10: 01 New
    +2
    They were kicked in the ass, in the Crimea, and they continue to dream ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      They were kicked in the ass, in the Crimea, and they continue to dream ...


      They just won’t calm down, especially since the owner forces ...
  25. cniza
    cniza 21 June 2020 10: 04 New
    +4
    The development of the Neptune rocket was carried out to deter the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. But the problem is that Ukraine is unlikely to find funds for its serial production. In addition, the missile system must be covered by a mobile anti-aircraft missile system. But while Ukraine does not have such a complex.


    And why make a noise, he himself answered all the questions.
  26. BAI
    BAI 21 June 2020 10: 09 New
    -4
    The main question is whether the air defense of the Russian Federation is guaranteed to intercept this missile. The probability of launch in the Russian Federation is not equal to zero. You never know what a scumbag would be behind the control panel. After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.


      Why are you so sure about this?
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  28. SS-18
    SS-18 21 June 2020 10: 18 New
    +8
    Ukraine is better not to want. they can pick up the Wishlist. so as not to do stupid things.
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 21 June 2020 10: 20 New
    +2
    Experts who do not understand what they are saying, because the defeat of at least one ship of the Russian Navy will mean the beginning of a military conflict. Will Ukraine drag out a war with Russia or hope that the Americans will die for Independence?
    1. Benedict
      Benedict 21 June 2020 10: 26 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Experts who do not understand what they say, because the defeat of at least one ship of the Russian Navy will mean the beginning of a military conflict

      Yes, they all understand ... Here is the essence of this, to keep Russia in constant tension .. And as for Ukraine, they warmed a snake on their chest .. negative
      Quote: APASUS
      .Ukraine will pull the war with Russia or the hope that the Americans will die for the Independent?

      Yes, not just the Outskirts, but the United States does not intend to fight for Europe .. Amers hope that the ocean will save them, and Europe in the trash .. There are no gentlemen, this time you will not stay, skimming the conflicts in Eurasia!
  30. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2020 10: 25 New
    0
    I don’t know who how, but I think it will be the first and last launch of Neptune with such a goal in the history of Banderlog.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 35 New
      +2
      Yes, there will be nothing but bravura shouts, and if God forbid it will be, then you wrote everything correctly.
  31. Suslin
    Suslin 21 June 2020 10: 37 New
    0
    Stop liberalizing! It is time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors. I consider such actions to be correct, especially since the parties to the Ukrainian government are constantly threatening us with the use of force. Stop waiting, it's time to take proactive actions
    1. Benedict
      Benedict 21 June 2020 10: 47 New
      -4
      Quote: Suslin
      Stop liberalizing! It’s time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors.

      If we did this, then first of all Israel would be destroyed. negative .Damask is bombed constantly ..Our ours was shot down with specialists of the highest rank .. Yes, and in general there they have a lot of "our thieves" sitting out with the loot .. How do you like that? And in Kiev there are many Jews ..
      So bite the tongue dear.
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 21 June 2020 10: 52 New
        0
        Benito, or maybe just Benya, I don’t give an example of Jews about Jews. But Kiev Jews themselves must think who and what their president is, they chose him, now it’s too late to fear for them.
  32. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 21 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +1
    There is no peace freaking ...
  33. impostor
    impostor 21 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +1
    So it was a sign:
    On Friday evening, a huge cloud appeared over Kiev, in its shape resembling a huge mushroom. And, despite the wind, it did not move. It is reported by Rambler.
    1. Benedict
      Benedict 21 June 2020 10: 49 New
      0
      Quote: impostor
      So it was a sign:

      This is a sign that Rossssi’s patience is ending .. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 June 2020 12: 33 New
        +3
        A rare natural phenomenon, but not casual.
        1. Benedict
          Benedict 21 June 2020 13: 18 New
          0
          Quote: cniza
          A rare natural phenomenon, but not casual.

          Everything in this world is not casual. Our mission is so difficult, to save the world.
  34. Captain45
    Captain45 21 June 2020 10: 52 New
    0
    in the Delovaya Stolitsa publication, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov) stated that the KR Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships at the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.
    The Ukrainian military expert also noted that the "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be used against a number of other targets, including "targets around the occupied Crimea."
    (C)
    He cried and laughed
    That bristled like a hedgehog
    He, bastard, mocked us
    Well crazy what you take!
    V.S. Vysotsky "A letter from patients of Kanachikova's dacha to the transmission" Obvious-Incredible "
    Such higher ... tales, in my opinion, do not deserve attention at all. Who knows, where, what kind of crazy person says.
  35. musorg
    musorg 21 June 2020 11: 07 New
    +1
    And from the Crimea to Kiev!
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: musorg
      And from the Crimea to Kiev!


      And this is according to the formula - "we are for sho"
      1. Benedict
        Benedict 21 June 2020 13: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: cniza
        And this is according to the formula - "we are for sho"

        laughing good A little that immediately scream ..))))
  36. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 21 June 2020 11: 14 New
    0
    I’m rumbling nimagu))) an experimental launch, with an incomprehensible result, but Napoleon’s plans))) I would like to ask eskperd - did you evaluate the consequences? Or does a victim of an epidemic of syphilis and chronic iodine deficiency have brains that far? Given the forces and air defense concentrated in the Crimea
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 31 New
      +2
      And so they run ahead of the engine, and most importantly, scream loudly.
  37. K-50
    K-50 21 June 2020 11: 22 New
    0
    in the Delovaya Stolitsa publication, a man calling himself a military expert (Mikhail Zhikhorov) stated that the KR Neptune is capable of reaching out to Russian warships at the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk.

    In Russia, thousands of missiles capable of covering the whole territory without a fall so what? fool
    Where are these "miracle experts" recruited? what
  38. Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 21 June 2020 12: 22 New
    -1
    I think that in Novorossiysk (RF) .. there is a small rocket that can destroy the whole of KIEV ... along with its general staff and all the plants and warehouses of NEPTUN missiles and whoever doesn’t believe, then check .. run at least one this bulldozer in the direction of PUTIN .. He lived his life in the UA ... and I never would have believed that there are so many idiots in the country. Every one is mentally ill ... a virus ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 12: 29 New
      +2
      Not necessarily in Novorossiysk, but definitely there. yes
  39. iouris
    iouris 21 June 2020 12: 42 New
    0
    It's time, my friend, it's time. It is high time.
  40. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 21 June 2020 13: 07 New
    +1
    Ukrainians are traitors.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 21 June 2020 14: 00 New
      -2
      Are you talking about the Donbass? Or about Kozhedub with Kovpak? We need to be friends with the firebrand.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 21 June 2020 14: 09 New
        +3
        No, I'm talking about today's Ukraine. Traitors - in the general sense of the word.
      2. Ilya Nikitich
        Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 07 New
        +1
        Both Kozhedub and Kovpak are RUSSIAN. And ukrointsy, these are former Russians who forgot that they are Russian. In general, I agree with the previous speaker
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Ukrainians are traitors.
  41. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 21 June 2020 13: 37 New
    0
    After such statements, there is no need to stand on ceremony, it’s enough to play bullshit under the name “Minsk Agreements”, immediately recognize the DPR and LPR as independent state formations, and conclude a military-political and economic treaty with them, at the same time strengthen propaganda work in other regions of New Russia and support everyone forces and means pro-Russian forces.
  42. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 21 June 2020 14: 08 New
    0
    This is Hochma. I remembered an ancient joke
    digging two Moldovan pit from a Romanian employer. and then just a shell. well what to do. here one of them offers
    - let’s give a whiff in Tiraspol
    other
    - come on, but how?
    -Yes, everything is simple, you have a shell under your arm
    shorter than BABAH, two Moldovans come out of the funnel
    -Well, nothing shied
    other
    Can you imagine what's going on in Tiraspol?
    so here, fat uncles, cheers. got somewhere, if I understood by radio in a certain area
  43. Old26
    Old26 21 June 2020 15: 30 New
    +1
    If statements that "Neptune" will be able to hit the Crimean bridge or ships in Sevastopol or Novorossiysk - this is a lull from the Ukrainian side, then the phrase in the article
    It is good that the Ukrainian military expert understands the following fact: if they really intend to use launchers from the Neptune Kyrgyz Republic against Russian Black Sea Fleet bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, these installations will be destroyed before the first attempt to launch a missile.

    this is already a lull from our Russian side. For the first strike on the launch of "Neptune" to the salvo will be regarded by all as aggression against Ukraine. Moreover, if in the DNR-LNR everything revolves around talking about "vacationers" and the Ukrainian side is unlikely to have any facts confirming their point of view, then a preventive strike on the launchers is a gift that Ukraine does not even dare to dream about.

    Quote: figvam
    Quote: ANIMAL
    This is just the case when the desires do not coincide with the possibilities.

    Well, here's the classic, - Dupe is getting richer in thought.

    Well, let's put it this way. Theoretically, Ukraine can strike at the bridge, and over Sevastopol, and Novorossiysk. IN THEORY, because TTX "Neptune" allows you to "reach out" to these goals. And practically such a blow will mean the beginning of the end of Ukraine

    Quote: Benito
    Quote: Mouse
    To want does not mean to be able to! wink

    In in! The keyword "hold out" .. But in Soviet times, on the outskirts of the famous SS-20 missiles were made, the so-called "Satan" in the west .. Shameful ..!

    Understand the materiel first. What is the SS-20, and what is the "Satan" ... And then all mixed in one pile ...

    Quote: edmed
    Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the medium-range SS-20, the Satan-ICBM.

    I will say the same to you. Decide on the terminology, and do not interfere all in one heap. The SS-20 rocket, which had the name Pioneer, never had the P-10 index. The contractual index was RSD-10. Yes, she, as you correctly wrote, was a medium-range missile. But the ICBM, which received the name "Satan" or SS-18 in the west, never wore the R-36 index. R-36 is a missile (according to Western classification) SS-9. The index of the Satan family was, respectively, R-36M, R-36M UTTH, R-36M2.

    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I understand that the tests are over? Is the missile adopted? The goals may be different, this is undeniable. Like the Wishlist.

    As far as I heard it is still being tested. Logically, there should still be a test from the ship. Therefore, hardly adopted yet

    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I’m much more interested in the statements not of this Zhirokhov, but of those "experts" who wrote about the "water pipe with GPS" three years ago, and not the rocket, because "all the engineers left for Poland to strawberries" ...

    Well, you understand, comrade, that it’s easiest to write urea-patriotic posts, while talking about .... I’m the opponent and lowering him below the baseboard with respect to his capabilities, than soberly looking at things. Usually, such "experts" later, when such a product is suddenly applied first, begin to be indignant: "Where did they get it," "again, the Washington Regional Committee transferred the offensive weapons to Ukraine." But what Ukraine is doing now (the Alder MLRS, the Neptune Kyrgyz Republic) is primarily a danger to the DPR-LPR, and not to Russia at all. The interception of missiles such as Neptune is not particularly difficult for the Russian Armed Forces and its fleet, but for republics in the east of Ukraine ...

    Quote: Zaurbek
    enough goals in the South. There are nuclear power plants in Volgodonsk and the Chemical Plant in Belorechensk and Nevinnomyssk. And the cottage in Sochi GDP, after all.

    There may be enough goals, but most of them are out of reach. Theoretically, only Belorechinsky chemical plant. Nevinnomyssky - 450 kilometers to it, as well as for other purposes more than 300

    Quote: BAI
    The main question is whether the air defense of the Russian Federation is guaranteed to intercept this missile. The probability of launch in the Russian Federation is not equal to zero. You never know what a scumbag would be behind the control panel. After all, there will be no answer. Nothing (other than another Foreign Ministry concern on Twitter). Even if they get somewhere, everyone will forgive.

    The question is interesting, but difficult to answer. It all depends on time, outfit of strength, distance. For example, having launched such a missile from their part of the braid in the east of Crimea, they could theoretically strike at the Crimean bridge. The flight time there is about 15 minutes, the missile will go to the SMV, whether there will be an air defense complex ready to fire on its way and how long it will take to destroy the missile defense - that’s the question. And if the launch is volley?
    So we cannot give a definite answer ourselves ... A lot of factors

    Quote: Suslin
    Stop liberalizing! It is time to act like the Israelis, who destroy any potential threat to the state, even in the territory of its neighbors. I consider such actions to be correct, especially since the parties to the Ukrainian government are constantly threatening us with the use of force. Stop waiting, it's time to take proactive actions

    You forget one Not important a detail that multiplies all your constructions by zero. Israel, with its neighbor Syria, in whose territory it "waters" any potential threat, is in STATES OF WAR. By delivering a preemptive strike, we will become aggressors, and even those in Ukraine who are neutral towards us or will be good against us. For we struck and became aggressors. And then what will happen to us (in the economic sense) is not difficult to imagine. For the Ukrainian elite, it will be a royal gift
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 June 2020 17: 48 New
      -3
      This is the final state test before adoption.
      A preliminary state order is known - 120 units.
      But they are unlikely to be made in a year.
      They write that they will collect on the Beam, and there production is limited to 50 pcs per year.
      Actually, I think they’ll do much less, write off the coronovirus.

      So far, only on shore installations, there are actually no ships under them, except for one old boat, which by age does not make much sense to upgrade.
      I think that at first they will work out various applications from coastal ones, including on land targets, and maybe, first of all, on land ones.
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    3. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Understand the materiel first. What is the SS-20, and what is the "Satan" ... And then all mixed in one pile ...

      Quote: edmed
      Actually, the SS-20 is the Pioneer R-10 and the Satan-R-36. These are different missiles: the medium-range SS-20, the Satan-ICBM.

      I will say the same to you. Decide on the terminology, and do not interfere all in one heap. The SS-20 rocket, which had the name Pioneer, never had the P-10 index. The contractual index was RSD-10. Yes, she, as you correctly wrote, was a medium-range missile. But the ICBM, which received the name "Satan" or SS-18 in the west, never wore the R-36 index. R-36 is a missile (according to Western classification) SS-9. The index of the Satan family was, respectively, R-36M, R-36M UTTH, R-36M2.

      Comrade, you are so meticulous that it takes terrible things. You tell me honestly you need to go, or checkers?
  44. Kibl
    Kibl 21 June 2020 18: 19 New
    0
    Heh heh! Subsonic Wishlist. Well! Well! Winged prodigy!
  45. Old26
    Old26 21 June 2020 18: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    This is the final state test before adoption.
    A preliminary state order is known - 120 units.
    But they are unlikely to be made in a year.
    They write that they will collect on the Beam, and there production is limited to 50 pcs per year.
    Actually, I think they’ll do much less, write off the coronovirus.

    So far, only on shore installations, there are actually no ships under them, except for one old boat, which by age does not make much sense to upgrade.
    I think that at first they will work out various applications from coastal ones, including on land targets, and maybe, first of all, on land ones.

    Thank you, Sergey! The fact that this is the final test - somehow fell out of sight. And yes, I agree. Now the greatest danger is this missile, not against Russian ships (or Russian facilities), but against people living in the Donbass. Yet 300 km is not 20 or 30 km. Like 150 kg warheads, they won’t immediately find an antidote against it ...
    1. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon 21 June 2020 19: 07 New
      0
      And why should Neptune be used in the Donbass? From the contact line to the Russian border, offhand it is unlikely that somewhere more than 100 km. Cruise missiles, weapons are not cheap, to use them in an armored personnel carrier is so-so use. wink Then where to?
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 June 2020 22: 54 New
        -4
        It’s stupid in armored vehicles, but in warehouses of armaments, ammunition, fuel and lubricants, headquarters, railway stations, bridges, etc., it’s quite suitable.
        There is a navigator - it is capable of shooting according to its data, or more precisely, arlgsn.
        1. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon 22 June 2020 00: 08 New
          +1
          Well I do not know. winked Then there will be an “action” in the mine, 1 cruise missile at the price of two jack hammers, and the “miners” will dig a couple of divisions for themselves. The conflict can creep out of Donbass, and this is for no one a buzz.
    2. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 26 New
      0
      Comrade, you’re so meticulous, how could you even suggest that the anti-ship cruise missiles will be used for ground purposes?
      And by the way, have ukrointsev that all the "Points" are over?
  46. shoroh
    shoroh 21 June 2020 18: 58 New
    0
    I see no reason to be particularly ironic. The enemy appeared guided long-range weapons. In the presence of the necessary stock of missiles, VSU gets a trump card in the Donetsk and Lugansk directions. It is clear that they will not use these weapons against Russia. However, such a weapon can become a trump card in a separate operation.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 22 June 2020 09: 56 New
      0
      300 km is a smaller radius, if in terms of the INF Treaty, under the non-proliferation of missile technology agreement, 300 km is something that can be sold to the Papuans.
      Even if you remove the ARLGSN from the RCC, then firing it at ground targets is extremely expensive ... like that (with Caliber and Tomahawks), and even under TV cameras, only we with the USA can afford it ....
      I'm not saying that the first 10 pieces will do 3 years and will be broken ...
      1. shoroh
        shoroh 22 June 2020 19: 09 New
        0
        If there is money, they will do in sufficient quantities. Given the complete puppet power in Ukraine, they will easily take loans for this disastrous business
        1. 5-9
          5-9 23 June 2020 09: 30 New
          0
          Do not tell me ... there will be no “day” even for such pressing things as tank repairs or normal mortars ... and here is the KR, which in the West will cost you $ XNUMX apiece ...
  47. Old26
    Old26 21 June 2020 20: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And why should Neptune be used in the Donbass? From the contact line to the Russian border, offhand it is unlikely that somewhere more than 100 km. Cruise missiles, weapons are not cheap, to use them in an armored personnel carrier is so-so use. wink Then where to?

    And no one talks about tanks or armored personnel carriers. What, there are no goals for which the APU in which case can work? For example, on the building of the Administration? After all, 150 kg of a warhead is 150 kg of a warhead. Plus accuracy

    Quote: shoroh
    I see no reason to be particularly ironic. The enemy appeared guided long-range weapons. In the presence of the necessary stock of missiles, VSU gets a trump card in the Donetsk and Lugansk directions. It is clear that they will not use these weapons against Russia. However, such a weapon can become a trump card in a separate operation.

    Unfortunately for some it’s easier to fast than to think.
    1. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon 22 June 2020 00: 20 New
      +1
      Well, from the administration of the city of Donetsk to the contact line of kilometers 15. If there was a desire, art or Grad can be worked out. To launch a cruise missile, with the risk that later the DPR will find a couple of divisions in the mine, the action is clearly not on the round five. Price againwinked
    2. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      What, there are no goals for which the APU in which case can work? For example, on the building of the Administration? After all, 150 kg of a warhead is 150 kg of a warhead. Plus accuracy

      I’ll ask again, But what about the “Points” of the calves already over? And what does accuracy have to do with it? In my opinion, accuracy is the least that worries koklovoins, and even more so their leaders ...
  48. Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 22 June 2020 00: 58 New
    +1
    UKRAINE has 100% of US support for all of it's missile projects- why would you think that Ukraines new version of "Harpoonski" is not more advanced than the Soviet version?
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 22 June 2020 09: 41 New
      0
      You see, Tom, it’s more profitable for the United States to support its military-industrial complex (by selling second-hand weapons to its slaves) rather than developing its own slaves.
      By the way, have you already bought Motor Sich, or simply banned from selling to the Chinese?
  49. demo
    demo 22 June 2020 08: 45 New
    0
    Well, why constantly give this information?
    Sick people, talking sick people.
    Anger and hatred made Ukrainians completely insane.

    If they could and wanted, they would have destroyed the bridge, the fleet, and Novorossiysk long ago.
    And so - evil nonsense.

    Only who decides that we need all the week through all the information channels to rub this stuff into our heads?
    Here is a question.
  50. 5-9
    5-9 22 June 2020 10: 00 New
    0
    I’m just wondering, did they gash it from scratch or did they import it from X-35 / Uranus?
    In general, in the world this can be done by those who are not quite Papuans, so the noise of the commander is not very clear ...
    Once again, the wheel of genotbot is spinning in the BSSR ... it’s overpowered in zrada, and that one is in ganba .... the fact that a couple of pieces were tested to find money, but that they find it, they can mass-produce it has nothing to do. ... in fact, such simple things as armored personnel carriers or the barrels of 120-mm mortars cannot do that either ... and then RCC.