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“The world will never be the same”: about the “plateau” of the coronavirus and the new attitude to medicine

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In Russia, restrictions due to coronavirus are gradually being lifted. President Vladimir Putin said pandemic losses have been minimized. But the situation still remains tense.


There are still many new patients, it is premature to talk about the vaccine


According to the operational headquarters, by June 20, 2020, the total number of detected cases of coronavirus infection in the Russian Federation amounted to 576 thousand people. Only on the day of June 20, 7889 new patients were identified in 85 regions of the country. Mortality from coronavirus as a percentage and in the number of cases per day is reduced, but not as fast as we would like.

Of course, people with chronic diseases, elderly Russians, as well as overweight people who usually also have various health problems are primarily affected by COVID-19. But one cannot say that the disease does not spare only the elderly. So the other day, the former head of Chuvashia, Mikhail Ignatiev, died of coronavirus. He was 58 years old. But there are quite impressive statistics on the deceased at the age of 30-40 years. The press said that coronavirus exacerbated heart and vascular disease.

Meanwhile, experts argue that talking about some kind of "going out on a plateau" in the case of coronavirus infection is pointless. Indeed, infections transmitted by airborne droplets have only an increase and a decrease in the number of cases. So believes, in particular, the main freelance infectious diseases specialist of the Oryol region, the head of the regional hepatological center of the city hospital named after S.P. Botkina Victoria Adonyeva. Interview with a doctor published an information resource “Oryol news».

According to Victoria Adoneva, the general situation with coronavirus in all countries, and Russia in this case is no exception, was the result of an inattentive attitude to health problems, including infectious medicine. For example, infectious beds in Russian hospitals have been minimized. This is true: it is known that over the past years the number of beds in many hospitals has been reduced, and they tried to save on medicine. And here is the result.

There is much talk about the prospects for creating a vaccine against coronavirus. It is alleged that almost by the end of 2020, at least - by February - March 2021, but the vaccine will succeed. However, experts are not so optimistic.

I know that a good vaccine is made from five to ten years. And what has been done in two to three months, personally causes me great fears regarding efficiency and safety. I have been working with viruses for the past 20 years and I understand that the assertion that some universal vaccine will appear that protects everyone is very far from the truth. Most likely, vaccine strains will have to be constantly updated,

- says Victoria Adonyeva.



You need to get used to the limitations and change your attitude to medicine


Despite the fact that the government and regional authorities in most constituent entities of the Federation have begun to remove restrictions, now there are still a lot of patients with coronavirus. Moreover, as we noted above, thousands of new cases appear every day. In addition, there are quite real fears about the possibility of re-infection with coronavirus, although it is impossible to say for sure whether people are re-infected or simply not treated.

We had five cases of re-hospitalization. People were discharged with two negative tests and did not contact anyone after discharge, but a week later they came with a positive test. But we regard this not as re-infection, but as reactivation, i.e. the virus just disappeared for a while and came out again,

- says Dr. Adonyeva.

At the same time, not to remove restrictions means to inflict a serious blow to the economy. The government understands this, therefore, they gradually allow work to those industries whose activities were terminated in April - May 2020. At the same time, the Minister of Health Mikhail Murashko recently announced that the complete lifting of restrictions before 2021 will not happen.

Dr. Adonyeva in his interview makes a much more pessimistic conclusion:
We will not return to the initial situation: there will be some restrictions, we will live in constant risk. The virus has taken root well, it is perfectly transmitted. The world will not be the same.


In any case, a number of fundamental conclusions need to be drawn from the whole pandemic situation.

Firstly, this is a revision of the general attitude to medicine, which, like education and culture, was funded on a residual basis. The health care system should be one of the priorities in terms of budget spending, and in terms of attention from the state and society. As the pandemic has shown, big money and high positions are also not a vaccine against diseases. New hospitals, high salaries for doctors and nurses, supplies of equipment and medicines, scientific research - you can not spare money for all these purposes.

Secondly, a revision of the attitude to sanitary standards, which for a long time was rather superficial, is necessary. This concerns the control of crowded places, retail outlets, and production, and requires, inter alia, the fight against corruption in supervisory authorities.

Thirdly, the state should pay special attention to the problems of social support of the population. Workers in trade and catering, tourism and transport, hairdressing and beauty salons are all our fellow citizens, and if some segments of the market temporarily stop due to the pandemic, the state cannot and should not leave these people and their families to their fate. making you survive on your own. Some measures of social support have already been taken, but the state will have to come to terms with the fact that social spending will also have to be raised in the future.
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  1. Kleber
    Kleber 20 June 2020 16: 18
    -8
    The state needs, the state needs, the state needs .... what? For each resident it is necessary to put an official so that he checks whether he washed his hands after visiting the toilet? The state needs a medical program and, naturally, its financing. Development of R&D in the field of medicine. Disease prevention and financing.
    But with what fright the state should monitor every citizen, whether he is washing his hands after the toilet or not.
    We are used to blaming everything on the state ... even the coronovirus is brought into Russia by disorderly citizens, but the state is to blame.
    People forgot basic hygiene rules.
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 20 June 2020 16: 43
      -4
      Judging by
      5 minuses, it turns out that the state should take a look if you wash your hands after visiting a public toilet.

      And this is nonsense.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 20
        -3
        I put a plus: for the state should, simply obligated, wipe your sphincter after a bowel movement. And in addition to kiss there
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 12
        +2
        No wonder, here the last days divorced and whiners. Some work out bitcoins, others always whine, but they are united - passion as they like a freebie and are very afraid of any responsibility. And they all owe it to them ... if they really were in quarantine, at least for a week, then the consequences would be much less sad ... But, we are smart! We know our rights! And there is no virus, it was invented to insert a chip for everyone. Now, reaping the fruits of their oligophrenia, as usual, they found the culprit - the state must! In how
        1. RESEARCHER
          RESEARCHER 22 June 2020 09: 31
          0
          There are many whiners, that's for sure. But back to public policy during the epidemic. They scare us all the time, and as we know from psychology, if a person is in a strong emotional state of fear, then it is easiest to control. And this is just what most of all begins to enrage a free man and undermines his attitude to any government.
          PS And why did someone decide for me that if I am 66, then I am in such a risk group that I must not stick my nose out of the house and wear a mask for life. For example, I personally survived this coronavirus in Moscow. He worked on a remote site for 10-12 hours and every day he wound 50-100 km on a bike. I didn’t wear a mask, and I’m not going to.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 20 June 2020 16: 45
      +7
      It's not about the hygiene of an individual. Although this is extremely important. And the fact that the state should plan for the future, have a certain margin and financial and material, develop certain industries that are critically important in certain conditions. And yes, OPTIMIZE. Requests for individual characters who can print their little egg and not pull another billionaire from the budget.
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 20 June 2020 16: 51
        -6
        Quote: 210ox
        It's not about the hygiene of an individual.


        Really. Go to the toilet for the most part so immediately the official should fly in and wipe your anus? Or can you handle it yourself?

        Quote: 210ox
        And the fact that the state should plan for the future, have a certain margin and financial and material


        And that there is no stock? He didn’t even end.

        Quote: 210ox
        Requests for individual characters who can print their little egg and not pull another billionaire from the budget.


        Well, tell me how much you personally printed it?
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 20 June 2020 17: 02
          +6
          Such an impression .... that before that no one ever washed their hands ...
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 12
            -1
            Well, one of 10 soaps ..... now the statistics have changed.

            By the way, always infuriated that, colleagues leaving the toilet pull your hand for a handshake, and only the flushing barrel murmurs. And after the toilet and sink and hand dryer.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 June 2020 20: 47
              +7
              Quote: Kleber
              colleagues leaving the toilet pull your hand for a handshake

              Where do you work? belay
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 20 June 2020 17: 37
            -6
            Quote: Mouse
            Such an impression .... that before that no one ever washed their hands ...

            Vasya, a long time ago, my girlfriend asked me a riddle ... "Who has cleaner hands, a worker or an engineer"? wink
            1. Kleber
              Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 39
              +4
              Quote: sabakina
              Vasya, a long time ago, my girlfriend asked me a riddle ... "Who has cleaner hands, a worker or an engineer"?

              At the surgeon.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 20 June 2020 17: 43
                -4
                Valera, are you sure? The surgeon may be with clean hands, but forget the cotton swab in the body. wink
                1. Kleber
                  Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 46
                  -1
                  The question was who had cleaner hands, and not who forgot to change the swab on critical days.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 20 June 2020 17: 48
                    -1
                    Valera, the answer is "the worker's hand is cleaner." Why, think for yourself. wink
                    1. Kleber
                      Kleber 20 June 2020 18: 00
                      +2
                      I’ll clarify: in what plan is your hands cleaner? Hygienic or corrupt?
                      1. Mouse
                        Mouse 20 June 2020 19: 30
                        +5
                        The surgeon's hands in gloves ... yes as a result, hands are pure tears ....
                      2. sabakina
                        sabakina 20 June 2020 20: 14
                        -5
                        Quote: Kleber
                        I’ll clarify: in what plan is your hands cleaner? Hygienic or corrupt?

                        A worker washes his hands in front of the toilet, and an engineer after. So whose hands are cleaner?
                    2. Kleber
                      Kleber 20 June 2020 18: 13
                      -4
                      I realized that you mean the corruption component. Here the worker and engineer are the same. Give me the money and he (if not an ardent patriot and not) will take anything from the factory to you.

                      In general, at the expense of clean hands, a warm heart and a cold head, I hope you do not need to be reminded.
                  2. Mouse
                    Mouse 20 June 2020 19: 25
                    +6
                    I will dilute your argument ...
                    Cold mind, warm heart and clean hands ... yes
                2. ver_
                  ver_ 21 June 2020 13: 19
                  +3
                  ... I haven’t visited VO for a long time, but I feel (like a dog) that something in the atmosphere has changed .. but I can’t understand - it’s something * in the barn Germans * ..
            2. sergo1914
              sergo1914 20 June 2020 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: sabakina
              Quote: Mouse
              Such an impression .... that before that no one ever washed their hands ...

              Vasya, a long time ago, my girlfriend asked me a riddle ... "Who has cleaner hands, a worker or an engineer"? wink


              A simple riddle. The answer is obvious. The following puzzles will be about a warm heart and a cold head?
        2. 210ox
          210ox 20 June 2020 18: 01
          -2
          And with what fright you are interested in my "pod". Despite the fact that I work on two jobs, there is practically no savings. Everything goes to food, education of children. This year, the summer vacation seems to be over for them.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 18: 17
            -9
            Why did you get so fussed right away? Is there any income that you hide from the state? There is. Otherwise, they would not have bothered.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 20 June 2020 18: 27
              +6
              Yes, you seem to be scampering. And immediately declares that I am hiding from the state. You asked about the egg, I answered. Yes, and I’m an ordinary worker, an electrician. What a little egg in a family of six people. You would be interested in about the little bottle of those upstairs. But you are dumb, there they can also give a cap to those especially interested.
              1. Kleber
                Kleber 20 June 2020 18: 29
                -13 qualifying.
                And who checked it?
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 20 June 2020 18: 45
                  +7
                  My marital status Or financial condition? In my opinion, we live in a state that has the ability and institutions to control and, if something happens, punish. Or do you personally want to joke in my pocket? Well, this is not permissible.
              2. The comment was deleted.
                1. Kleber
                  Kleber 20 June 2020 18: 35
                  -11 qualifying.
                  Quote: Kleber
                  There are 70 percent from at least from Ukraine. And they are pursuing their state policy here, which they drove into the head with a TV box.

                  I am leaving as readers until either the administration begins to cleanse the ranks of those who are "from the Tambov region", or my colleagues will soon start working on this site.


                  Dixi
              3. alone
                alone 20 June 2020 21: 41
                +9
                Nowadays, being able to contain six is ​​already considered ohm heroism. .Taking off my hat hi
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 21 June 2020 08: 01
                  +2
                  Four sons, of different ages, from five to twenty. My wife and I are retired. Thank.
            2. Mouse
              Mouse 20 June 2020 19: 35
              +5
              Who, what hurts ....
              1. The popuas
                The popuas 20 June 2020 20: 55
                +3
                Some Kleber is inadequate fool
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 17
            +1
            Children after 18 are no longer children. I have been working since 18 years
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 June 2020 17: 41
        -6
        Quote: 210ox
        It's not about the hygiene of an individual ... But the fact that the state should plan ...

        I can convince you that it is with the observance of hygiene and preventive measures that an individual individual develops the general epidemiological safety in a particular settlement.
        The state is obliged to provide citizens with protection against the disease and create a quarantine regime such that there is no mass infection of the carriers of the infection in the region.
        Our people were simply deceived. He was thrown into self-isolation. And the most disgusting thing in the whole story is the imposition of monetary fines on those who were not physically able to carry out these preventive measures “sucked by the power from the finger”.
        But we all immediately understood the nature of this “campaign” ... With this coronavirus, previously established laws providing for punishment for making (for example) bonfires in the spring period went by the wayside. And this notorious Smoking Act?
        This pandemic will pass and everyone will forget about it, as they once forgot about everything that the state with "special love and care" invented for its obedient people.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 48
          +4
          The fines did not help: the people roamed about the case and not the case. Probably it would be better to stick with sticks, as in India, or to place the offender in a forced observation in the appropriate institution. You look and the victims of the cove would be less.
      3. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 20 June 2020 19: 26
        +4
        The fact is that the task of our state in its current form is to provide a service and make money on it ... And the task must be "so that people do not get sick" ... But for this it is necessary to change the entire healthcare system ... (And by the way , return the optimized and destroyed departments of sanitary epidemiological stations in many areas.)
        The task of the official: to report on high rates, but it is necessary that the population was comfortable living ...
        And the elite should also have the task to improve life within the country, and not to grab and dump abroad.
        Local businessmen should have preferences for foreigners if they pay taxes. In general, non-resident investors should be limited in their rights to use (purchase, develop, etc.) the raw materials of our country, since using the public domain does not contribute to improving the lives of the people ...
        1. Moore
          Moore 21 June 2020 06: 07
          +5
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          The fact is that the task of our state in its current form is to provide a service and make money on it.

          Alas, the way it is, only worse. The state is represented by officials, and any official (no, not any, of course, well-paid) is primarily interested in keeping his precious ass in a warm place. And if you add to this his absolute disinterest in the final result and feasibility he indicated in principle, we get the queues in the subway (check passes are canceled immediately), schedule walks (canceled almost immediately), electronic passes on vehicles, (canceled) and a bunch of other brain-bearing activities that help the official to demonstrate his active work, but in no way aimed at improving the situation.
          I always welcome minusculers and this time I would like to turn to those who think:
          colleagues, compare the mortality statistics from COVID-19 with other recent infections of our time. Personally, it reminds me of a worldwide hysteria of kneeling in front of everything that is not white. IMHO and covert hysteria, and Negro skillfully provoked by quiet mrazy, trying to mess up their affairs.
    3. WILL
      WILL 20 June 2020 16: 50
      -3
      Everyone should draw conclusions, first of all, for Himself, including the observance of basic safety measures, and not only during outbreaks of viral diseases. And the State will accordingly more closely supervise Russian virologists. I hope that they will begin with the fact that Our children will be vaccinated with Domestic vaccines. Well, I want to believe that both the vaccine and the medicine for Coronovirus will be developed in the near future! Russian virology has many glorious victories over seemingly “invincible” diseases.
      As for the social support of the population, of course - it is necessary to support, especially the most socially unprotected ... actually the support of pensioners in the form of supplements and children under 18 years old has already begun, I hope it will not be a one-time campaign, but a clearly structured State program.
      1. Crane
        Crane 20 June 2020 20: 27
        0
        I hope that they will begin with the fact that Our children will be vaccinated with Domestic vaccines.
        ======
        I think it’s important that the vaccine is working, and not necessarily domestic. Will you not be vaccinated with imported ones?
      2. minus
        minus 21 June 2020 09: 33
        0
        For children under 18 years old unfortunately. For example, a one-time up to 15 inclusive. The eldest 15 turned January 21 and did not get into a lump sum.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 20 June 2020 16: 52
      0
      It remains to understand - then, to hell, we generally pay taxes to such a state and endure its requisitions - and it will be just wonderful .. If it doesn’t answer for anything at all ..
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 20 June 2020 16: 56
        -18 qualifying.
        It remains to understand one thing: have adequate people remained at VO who have not been counting on the state for a long time.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 20 June 2020 16: 59
          10
          Yes, it’s easy - only then I would like to know more about taxes ... If I can’t count on the state, then why the hell will I pay him? Just with this money - I’ll get out on my own, no?
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 01
            -6
            How much taxes do you pay per year and for what specifically?

            By the way, we are talking about payments to the budget of the Russian Federation, and not Ukraine.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 20 June 2020 18: 05
              +1
              I can say. In one job, with accrued 34kilorubl with a tail, I get 31kilorubl. In the second job, much less. Count yourself.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 June 2020 20: 57
              +8
              Quote: Kleber
              How much taxes do you pay per year and for what specifically?

              And why the hell do you immediately get personal, wagging with a specific question?
              No matter how much a particular person pays, it is important that he pays them. And everyone pays taxes, even the unemployed, paying VAT. And accordingly, they have the right to ask questions to the state. Do not agree?
          2. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 04
            -1
            Question above. Only water is not needed. Only specifics: object - payment in rubles.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 20 June 2020 19: 13
              +5
              Specificity? JSC "Smart" White Clay. Krasnodar region. Russia.
        2. WILL
          WILL 20 June 2020 17: 03
          +5
          Also, the interpretation is completely wrong. Of course, you must first rely on Yourself, but the State also has certain social obligations. No matter how we rely on ourselves, we still cannot invent a vaccine like a medicine.
          There are groups that survive only at the expense of the State (orphans, for example, people with disabilities), and we must not forget about them.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 16
            -6
            Quote: ANIMAL
            Also, the interpretation is completely wrong. Of course, you must first rely on Yourself, but the State also has certain social obligations.


            Here is a part of what I wanted to say, but the alcohol bastard bothers :)
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 20 June 2020 17: 13
          +4
          Quote: Kleber
          It remains to understand one thing: have adequate people remained at VO who have not been counting on the state for a long time.

          If the state spits on its citizens for a long time and persistently, sooner or later the moment will come when citizens spit on the state. In general, the history of the state will end. At least in this, disregard, format. As a maximum at all.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 26
            -7
            No lyrics needed. Citizens have long spat on the state. Remember the 90s and what percentage went voluntarily, and which with the article was mowed from the army. Pay taxes to the state and now no one pays in full. And so do not touch.

            And the state is not officials. The state is called Russia, and not Putin, the dog, etc.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 20 June 2020 17: 38
              +2
              Quote: Kleber
              Remember the 90s and what percentage went voluntarily, and which with the article was mowed from the army.

              In the 90s, the state first struck a bolt on people. Offering every fifth to die out voluntarily and smartly. But draft evasion is just a reaction to the behavior of the state. Exactly what they say to you.
              Quote: Kleber
              Pay taxes to the state and now no one pays in full.

              Laponka. Until March of this year, she paid exactly everything that was supposed to be paid. I did not like it, I spoke out that such a state would be bold, but paid. And then ... I was kindly offered to pay rent, taxes, salaries, contributions to funds, both for myself and for the employee, while forbidding me to work. If I realized these good wishes of the state ... Two of my daughters, my husband and I would have to live a little more than 5.000 re per month. 43 rubles and 33 kopecks per person per day. Are you surprised that now even 1 ruble of tax, any, I will pay only on the condition that there will be no opportunity to avoid this? And mind you. This is only a response to the actions of the state. If it were not for the frankly boorish and redneck behavior of the guarantor .... And now, forgive me generously, but as he comes around, he will respond.
              Dixi.
              1. Kleber
                Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 50
                -7
                Laponka. But I’ll check. Dixi
                1. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 20 June 2020 20: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Kleber
                  Laponka. But I’ll check. Dixi


                  Our service is both dangerous and difficult
                  And at first glance it’s as if not visible
                  It is not visible as if on the second
                  And on the third the same ...
              2. Mouse
                Mouse 20 June 2020 20: 02
                +1
                If I could realize these good wishes of the state

                High style! ... forgot to specify which state ???
          2. Mouse
            Mouse 20 June 2020 19: 40
            -2
            If the state spits long and hard on its citizens,

            Just wondering...
            Did you get a wave?
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 20 June 2020 22: 39
              -2
              Quote: Mouse
              If gosudarstvo spits long and hard on its citizens,

              Just wondering...
              Did you get a wave?

              Obviously, he wants to offer the state ... his poison in saliva, so that winked with one spit ...
        4. Mouse
          Mouse 20 June 2020 17: 53
          -1
          You need to rely on yourself ... and only on yourself ... do not wait for the manna from heaven .... no one will come ... and will not bring it on a silver platter ....
        5. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 20 June 2020 18: 38
          -3
          I was always bothered when the state began to take care of my health ....
          So do not take it to the head, some do not take it in your mouth.
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 20
        +1
        Do you pay them? Or is it just a whining?
    5. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 June 2020 17: 28
      -7
      used to blame everything on the state
      I would move away from the state, so it’s not sucked off.
      Here is the story. One person with covid was put in a hospital. He felt shitty. Therefore, while lying under a mask, I did not pay attention to incoming SMS. Then it was easier to write out. So in SMS it was reported every day a fine of 4 thousand. And the man breathed every time he was not up to the selfie. Well, a certificate from the hospital withdrew 70 percent of the fines, but I didn’t know what was in front of the hospital, and a little after. Pay. This is how the state takes care of the people.
      But these fines were introduced by the one who in December insisted on further optimization of medicine.
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 29
        -2
        Sorry, we are talking about the state of Russia, and not about Kyrgyzstan.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 June 2020 17: 46
          -13 qualifying.
          Sorry
          Judging by your comments, you are an ardent Russophobe. You need together with Chubais
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 June 2020 17: 54
            -3
            Yes, no native, I'm Russian, and Russophobe is you with your nationality. Life was good in the USSR, now bear with me, this is not for you in Russia.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 20 June 2020 18: 07
              -4
              “The world will never be the same”: about the “plateau” of the coronavirus and the new attitude to medicine
              everybody shit from such a "plateau" the enterprises have stopped, communications have been broken, the borders are closed, the mortality rate is higher, the ambulances drive at night like "funnels" ... and oops .... remove restrictions ... hurray! pabeda! sur ... the population is definitely not in anything. apparently, the game is worth the candles.
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 20 June 2020 19: 12
              -2
              Well no
              Yes, you got your self in a rage, because people like you were destroying the Soviet Union, now Russia.
              Well, someone needs to know that I am from the Kirov region, and you7 There will be a show, they will stop paying you again, you will wander alone. Now you are brave, the cooks have flocked from all over Russia.
          2. Snail N9
            Snail N9 20 June 2020 18: 06
            0
            Yes, yes, you have to get used to the muzzle and the collar - without them, now, no way ... And then, and to the individual number with the genetic code - without them too, because you can't do it ... - the cattle must be safe, counted , used correctly and profitably, and then disposed of, without incurring costs to the "government".
            1. edmed
              edmed 21 June 2020 05: 42
              +1
              Quote: Snail N9
              Yes, yes, you need to get used to the muzzle and the collar - without them, now, nothing ....

              I will support, from the vastness of the Internet: "You voluntarily put on muzzles, and you will put on collars." not far from the truth. Alas ... crying .
            2. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 23
              0
              ... yes, yes, and even vampires drink the blood of children and communicate with aliens! And there is no pandemic; it's a fake, right?
    6. strelokmira
      strelokmira 21 June 2020 10: 48
      -1
      even the coronovirus is brought into Russia by disorderly citizens, but the state is to blame

      Those. with an epidemic escalating into a pandemic, should citizens, and not the state, close the border? lol
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 25
        +3
        And it was not closed? But why did the "citizens", knowing that they would close everything, suddenly rushed to "have a rest"? Tired of something?
  2. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 20 June 2020 16: 18
    +3
    Firstly, this is a revision of the general attitude to medicine, which, like education and culture, was funded on a residual basis. The health care system should be one of the priorities in terms of budget spending, and in terms of attention from the state and society.

    Really. Does this understanding come only after an epidemic? Or from epidemic to epidemic?
    Priority areas? Come on. "Kovidnye" only from April to June will pay doctors. And then again the "great medical salary".
    Thousands of students leave the walls of medical universities every year, and there are fewer and fewer doctors in hospitals.
    New hospitals, high salaries for doctors and nurses, supplies of equipment and medicines, scientific research - you can not spare money for all these purposes.

    That is yes. No need to regret. Beautiful words. It’s a pity that just words ...
    Thirdly, the state should pay special attention to the problems of social support of the population. Workers in trade and catering, tourism and transport, hairdressing and beauty salons are all our fellow citizens, and if some segments of the market temporarily stop due to the pandemic, the state cannot and should not leave these people and their families to their fate. making you survive on your own. Some measures of social support have already been taken, but the state will have to come to terms with the fact that social spending will also have to be raised in the future.

    Well, that’s how utopia sounds. On the contrary, social programs are being reduced on all fronts.
    1. Crane
      Crane 20 June 2020 20: 33
      +2
      On the contrary, social programs are being reduced on all fronts.
      ========
      I would like with examples of the reduction of social security. Especially "on all fronts" ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 June 2020 21: 03
        +1
        And the video of the doctors' appeals to Putin throughout Russia is not an example for you?
        1. Crane
          Crane 20 June 2020 21: 04
          +1
          No.
          What about "on all fronts"?
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 52
      +2
      Social is just increasing.
    3. minus
      minus 21 June 2020 09: 44
      +2
      * Thousands of students leave the walls of medical universities every year, and there are fewer doctors in hospitals. * But I counted at least 10 private medical centers in my town .... Well, I don’t even take private dentists ...
  3. bar
    bar 20 June 2020 16: 19
    +7
    "Chief Freelance Infectionist" is an interesting position.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 20 June 2020 16: 22
      +7
      Freelance, since her main work is science.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 20 June 2020 16: 41
      +2
      In any regional ministry of health there are such posts.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 June 2020 18: 09
      -6
      Quote: bar
      "Chief Freelance Infectionist" is an interesting position.

      we and staff have interesting ...
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 20 June 2020 16: 41
    +9
    A doctor and a teacher are the people most needed by the state and people. Without health and knowledge, degradation and extinction are underway. But judging by the incentives, we need bankers and merchandisers. The driver of the garbage truck has a salary one and a half times more than the local therapist. I respect the work of drivers, but to become a doctor, you need to study for 8 years. The machine is not easy, but the human body is thousands of times more complicated, and is still not fully understood.
    There is no logic in our movement.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 53
      +5
      Well, under the USSR, a locksmith in the Central District Hospital earned more than the surgeon of this very medical institution. Tradition...
    2. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 22 June 2020 03: 27
      +1
      To become a good turner, driver or milling machine operator, you also need 8 years. AND?
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 20 June 2020 16: 47
    -7
    In general, they didn’t say anything new. Common truths, basically.
    But now they’ll fly off to their ears, and who has them to nest in their heads, a big question?
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 20 June 2020 16: 50
    +9
    I would like that for the reduction of medicine the last 20 years - someone answered after all .. Not out of revenge - for the sake of order. For every bureaucrat should know - you have to answer for your affairs. Only in this way can a normal state work .. However, what am I talking about under the current ruler, it’s even ridiculous to say out loud, the word responsibility ... If you are close to the body, it’s untouchable, no matter how much you steal, no matter how much you steal .. And here and for the collapse of medicine - shish who will answer ..
  7. knn54
    knn54 20 June 2020 16: 56
    +5
    The elite, the officials. deputies and other "successful" children live, receive treatment, study abroad, and their wives, accordingly, also give birth abroad. And if there is discontent, then the salaries of the security forces have been raised quite well. And there are departmental hospitals and sanatoriums.
    According to the authorities, teachers and doctors work "little" - no more than 5 hours a day, not as managers - 8. Hence the salary.
    I recall Kennedy when he raised the salary of teachers; it is impossible for people who teach our children to receive fewer plumbers.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 20 June 2020 17: 40
      +4
      not more than 5 hours a day, not as managers -8. Hence the salary.

      Wow! Where does this data come from? Even on an ambulance, working for a day or three - 6 hours is obtained.
      But no one has been working like this for about 15 years. Only a day or two, or a day or a day, otherwise you can put your teeth on the shelf. Salary - 12500. And in hospitals and clinics in general LIVE. Managers did not stand nearby.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 June 2020 18: 10
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      I remember Kennedy when he raised the salary of teachers

      he ended his life badly ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 20 June 2020 19: 17
        -1
        Quote: Dead Day
        he ended his life badly ..

        oh ... judging by the minus-norms.
        1. brat07
          brat07 23 June 2020 04: 00
          0
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: Dead Day
          he ended his life badly ..

          oh ... judging by the minus-norms.

          It was not for this reason that he was shot dead because he raised the salary of teachers.
          He could not have raised the salary at all, because it is not in his competence.
          And you have already been told about this in the comment "below".
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 June 2020 18: 52
      +2
      Kennedy could not raise his salary as a teacher, for education in the United States is under the control of individual states. He could only recommend this to the governors and state congresses.
  8. Asad
    Asad 20 June 2020 17: 06
    +5
    Today in the news, our Novosibirsk Vector reported that the coronovirus is mutating and the obesity is increasing, relaxing early, oh early!
  9. sevtrash
    sevtrash 20 June 2020 17: 06
    +6
    If there wasn’t this virus, it would be different. Viruses are changing, the emergence of a pandemic has long been predicted, because they have been before more than once. Predicted even tougher than coronavirus. Although this one is not weak. And then this will happen if the coronavirus does not kill humanity. There are still quite a few threats - a meteorite, a change in magnetic poles, pulsar radiation, the actual death of the Earth is a foregone conclusion due to the aging of the sun. And the collision of galaxies is inevitable. Perhaps some kind of physical constant will change - the end of the universe at the speed of sound. So while we live - and rejoice.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 June 2020 18: 12
      -8
      Quote: sevtrash
      If there wasn’t this virus, it would be different.

      precisely ... a measure was needed, to shove everyone into anthills, so that they would not flicker in front of the "GOLO with suvany" ...
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 20 June 2020 23: 36
        -1
        Quote: sevtrash
        If there wasn’t this virus, it would be different.

        precisely ... a measure was needed, to shove everyone into anthills, so that they would not flicker in front of the "GOLO with suvany" ...
        A colossal experiment was conducted on the manipulation of consciousness, and the management of the masses of people, in which compliance with laws and the constitution is not necessary.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 June 2020 17: 18
    -12 qualifying.
    I don’t even know that the propaganda of the Constitution or the propaganda of the so-called pandemic are worse.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 June 2020 19: 18
      -5
      Quote: Gardamir
      I don’t even know that the propaganda of the Constitution or the propaganda of the so-called pandemic are worse.

      so "coincided" ...
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 56
      +2
      Come to St. Petersburg, look at Botkinskaya and decide whether it’s propaganda or the truth.
    3. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 June 2020 23: 37
      -1
      I don’t even know what is worse than propaganda of the Constitution or propaganda of the so-called pandemic
      Both this and that, looks disgusting ....
  11. Gate68
    Gate68 20 June 2020 17: 18
    +4
    "We are used to blaming everything on the state ... even the coronavirus was brought into Russia by disorderly citizens, but the state is to blame."
    The state had to stop air traffic so that careless citizens would not import the virus. And in the first place we had airline profits.
  12. Junior Private
    Junior Private 20 June 2020 17: 28
    +7
    Where will the doctors come from if the pedicurists from beauty salons, whom the author calls for support, receive much more with much less responsibility? The author also forgot about the support of all sorts of singers with his mouth and other buffoons, who got into a big pandemic, and the terrorists became so insolent that they disagree less than Buzov. If the consumer society has not made any post-influenza conclusions for itself and wants to continue to consume, feeding the pedicure industry, then excuse me ... And with medicine we will have as in democracies: “Sir, you have found covid-2034. Ah! No health insurance? Then get out, nigga. "
  13. Dikson
    Dikson 20 June 2020 17: 28
    +4
    Crowded places .. infection .. Well, well .. let's attach a vestibule to each entrance and hang a bactericidal quartz lamp in it .. What prevents from hanging such lamps in the subway above escalators? In one thing they are right - if it is ARVI, then it is pointless to fight it .. - the virus will mutate constantly .. I am not a physician, but during this time so many titled and burdened with posts and scientific titles have already expressed opposite opinions that one gets the feeling - Nicherta they (doctors and virologists) do not understand what to do with the COVID epidemic19 .. They just stupidly list the methods of prevention from infectious diseases .. This means that most people on the planet will have a life span of 60 years. And everyone needs to give up bad habits and play sports .. But where is the Ganges littered with corpses? Where are the thousands of dead Chinese bodies floating on the yellow waters of the Yellow River? Where are the "hundreds of refrigerated bodies with corpses" from New York? There are none. Yes, people get sick. Yes, people are dying. But not all of them. And on this topic, you can turn your muddy affairs for a long time ..
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 20 June 2020 17: 47
      -1
      Yes, people are dying. But not all.

      What a scary word. Do you want everyone to die? Then it will become scary? And so - this is a fake.
      This is not a fake, ask infectious disease specialists from "covid" hospitals. Dies, thank God, and the truth is not much, but there are a lot of complications, in the form of pneumonia. And not only among the elderly and people with disabilities.
  14. Grading
    Grading 20 June 2020 17: 35
    0
    Quote: Kleber
    It remains to understand one thing: have adequate people remained at VO who have not been counting on the state for a long time.

    1. Clear
      Clear 20 June 2020 19: 26
      +5
      Quote: Grading
      Quote: Kleber
      It remains to understand one thing: have adequate people remained at VO who have not been counting on the state for a long time.


      And who is this crazy?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 June 2020 20: 00
        +5
        Quote: Clear
        And who is this crazy?

        This abnormal story every day on the main channel of the tale.
      2. Mouse
        Mouse 21 June 2020 06: 21
        +3
        Yeah ... not a couple of Belyanchikova ... laughing
        1. Clear
          Clear 21 June 2020 10: 01
          +5
          Quote: Mouse
          Yeah ... not a couple of Belyanchikova ... laughing

          Yes, Vasily. One loved people, and the other - money.

          By the way, today is Medical Worker's Day!
          Let me sincerely congratulate you on your professional holiday - Medic's Day!
          May self-confidence not leave you in these difficult days of the fight against coronavirus. May the respect and trust of friends, love and understanding of loved ones grow stronger.
          We will certainly stand, because doctors are special people. And may each of you also have a little luck! love
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 21 June 2020 11: 19
            +3
            Thank you !!! Let me give you a medical alcohol ...
            Note ... drinks
            And yes .... love
            1. Clear
              Clear 21 June 2020 13: 49
              +3
              Quote: Mouse
              Thank you !!! Let me give you a medical alcohol ...
              Note ... drinks
              And yes .... love

              Thank you. I remembered
              - Is that vodka? Margarita asked weakly. The cat bounced on a chair from resentment. “Have mercy, queen,” he croaked, “would I allow myself to pour a lady vodka?” This is pure alcohol! Margarita smiled ...
  15. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 20 June 2020 17: 47
    10
    In the USSR at school:
    1. You go into school, there is a sanitary patrol from the schoolchildren themselves - show your hands whether they are clean. They will pop in your hair .....
    2. Once a year, the whole class is taken to a polyclinic for a medical examination.
    Why am I - preventive medicine should be revived in the country in the country at all levels from village to city.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 June 2020 18: 45
      +4
      However, every year, both in the clinic and on the radio and in general everywhere, they invite residents to undergo a medical examination, for FREE!
      Yes, the level of verification is average, but they find the most critical, widespread!
      I go through the whole family too.
      And cleanliness, hygiene, this is the problem of parenting in the family, first of all, and then somewhere else. Like a healthy lifestyle, it is a person’s responsibility, PERSONALLY.
      1. Clear
        Clear 20 June 2020 19: 23
        +5
        Quote: rocket757
        And cleanliness, hygiene, this is the problem of parenting in the family, first of all, and then somewhere else. Like a healthy lifestyle, it is a person’s responsibility, PERSONALLY.

        Ok, Victor noticed
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 June 2020 19: 27
          +4
          We were taught that way EVERYWHERE.
          If someone passed all ears by ears ... Moydodyr and him will not change it.
          1. Clear
            Clear 20 June 2020 19: 34
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            We were taught that way EVERYWHERE.
            If someone passed all ears by ears ... Moydodyr and him will not change it.

            Moidodyr is an excellent children's story.
            However, some are waiting for the State in the person of the Crocodile, who swallows a washcloth, and then threatens the boy, which swallows him if he does not wash. smile
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 June 2020 19: 43
              +2
              They wait, they are indignant, and even they are completely nonsense ...
              Yes, the state has withdrawn from many functions, which, as it turned out, were important for the people, for each person personally ... well, yourself, you just broke it up yourself. Even now, much can be returned if the whole world demands for it! No, much to clatter, whine and scold. And did not try to achieve everything necessary ???
              You should always start with yourself, and then ...
              1. Clear
                Clear 20 June 2020 22: 56
                +1
                Well, of course. How is it possible without personal hygiene?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 20 June 2020 23: 23
                  +1
                  With brain hygiene in the first place!
              2. major147
                major147 21 June 2020 00: 10
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                You should always start with yourself, and then ...

                Everyone was told everything, everyone was shown everything, some were given a try. Look at the street, traffic, shops. Does everyone comply? And the state is to blame. What is it? Not following the established rules is bad! The police catch and punish those who do not comply - bad! If people had sat in isolation for even a month, this infection would have disappeared. And so "a sluggish epidemic with peaks and troughs", and how long will this all continue? Until everyone gets sick in one way or another? It's good that at least the covid dissidents have calmed down and are not trumpeting (putting on the OVZK), that there is no covid!
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 21 June 2020 08: 26
                  +1
                  If TROUBLE happened, the most reasonable, necessary, is to show mutual responsibility, and not vice versa. It is easy to blame, to do what is much more difficult.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 21: 58
      -3
      Yeah, in a Soviet school I caught dysentery and ended up in a hospital with salmonellosis. My children in Russia did not suffer from intestinal disorders.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 June 2020 23: 25
        +1
        Consider yourself lucky ... others are much less lucky. This was before, this is happening now.
        1. major147
          major147 21 June 2020 00: 11
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Consider yourself lucky

          My lice picked up in the 90s ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 June 2020 08: 30
            0
            Yes it was, it was always! Also in childhood, grandmother "treated" us with dust from lice! She called it a "gypsy gift".
            1. major147
              major147 21 June 2020 10: 50
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              she "treated" us with dust from lice!

              My water-kerosene emulsion ....
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 June 2020 11: 17
                0
                When (early 60s) our grandmother "treated" us, DDT (dust) was not considered so dangerous ...
  16. Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 June 2020 18: 40
    +1
    Come on ... Change the attitude to medicine? Not changed during the epidemic. A simple example:
    * Risk group - contactees, i.e. crowns returned from abroad and prone to severe course - diabetics, asthmatics, just fat ones, old people and possibly chronicles - chronic diseases of moderate severity.
    * The rest of the quarantine - like a goat’s drum, is a common SARS, which does not fall into the list of especially dangerous infections by any criterion.
    Everything was done through Jo ... alferov - exactly the opposite! And all over the world.
    For. in order to change something in medicine, the whole planet needs to change its head in places, and this is impossible, if 40 years of PR-aces around the planet powder their brains about the epidemics of the century - then AIDS, then Ebola, now you need to explain for another 40 years that you lied. And now, with the word "infection of the century", everyone is ready to bury themselves in the asphalt, like Tom from the cartoon
  17. Indifferent
    Indifferent 20 June 2020 18: 52
    0
    They say correctly, give free rein to medical officials, they will put us in constant quarantine for the rest of our lives. Idiocy is indestructible! More people were always sick and dying from the flu, and somehow managed. And now increase the number of infectious beds that will soon begin to be empty, and all your quarantine, your mother! And in 5-10 years we’ll invent a vaccine!
  18. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 June 2020 19: 01
    +5
    I don’t know how the world will change its attitude towards medicine, but the new attitude to medicine specifically in my country is explicitly spelled out in constitutional amendments, for which we are urged to vote:
    It was:
    Article 41
    1. Everyone has the right to health protection and medical assistance. <...> is free

    After:
    .g) coordination of health issues, including ensuring the provision of affordable and quality medical care, <...>

    Was free of chargebecame affordable. Sleight of hand, as they say. And even if you cannot afford it, it’s your own fault (maybe you are a pensioner and you can only ruin the state with your existence?).
    1. major147
      major147 21 June 2020 00: 36
      -1
      Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
      I don’t know how the world will change its attitude towards medicine, but the new attitude to medicine specifically in my country is explicitly spelled out in constitutional amendments, for which we are urged to vote:
      It was:
      Article 41
      1. Everyone has the right to health protection and medical assistance. <...> is free

      After:
      .g) coordination of health issues, including ensuring the provision of affordable and quality medical care, <...>

      Was free of chargebecame affordable. Sleight of hand, as they say. And even if you cannot afford it, it’s your own fault (maybe you are a pensioner and you can only ruin the state with your existence?).

      Why is this a lie !? Is this work? Article 41 is not amended, free help remains free!
      Items are added to other articles:

      "And now let's translate into Russian. In fact, the Constitution enshrines the human right to receive affordable and high-quality medical care, regardless of place of residence. If the authorities do not provide people with decent treatment, this will be perceived as a violation of the country's main law. This, according to experts, is fundamentally different. responsibility to people and the state.
      - If earlier free medical care was guaranteed, then, probably, at that time it was a sufficient guarantee. Today this is no longer enough, such definitions as availability and quality should appear, - says Oleg Karpov. - Suppose it is a remote small settlement where the guarantees of free of charge remain, but there is no opportunity to receive medical services. Now, when the federal authorities, together with the constituent entities, are taking the necessary measures to create conditions for accessibility and quality, the municipal level is obliged to provide them. "
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 21 June 2020 09: 50
        0
        Quote: major147
        Lying!

        Word for word. The presence in the constitution of this text about the free of charge medicine didn’t prevent it from being transferred to paid, in fact, rails (some tests can be passed for free, but until the results come, you can either recover yourself or glue the fins). Today, with an emphasis on a vague concept of accessibility that is not measurable by anything (not accessibility of free medicine, but simply accessibility, mind you) - you can completely forget about free access.
        1. major147
          major147 21 June 2020 10: 49
          0
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Today, with an emphasis on a vague concept of accessibility that is not measurable by anything (not accessibility of free medicine, but simply accessibility, mind you) - you can completely forget about free access.

          Why the hell do you need free medicine? If it is not available, there is no hospital in the village! That’s why the constitution on accessibility is laid down.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 21 June 2020 18: 58
            +2
            Quote: major147
            she is not available

            This is a reason to make free medicine available, not just make medicine "affordable". Because only free medicine can be really available. And if you pay for it, even if you open a clinic across the street, it won't become more accessible if there is no money.
            Why the hell in the village of MRI, if it costs like a monthly salary?
  19. flicker
    flicker 20 June 2020 19: 02
    -4
    In any case, a number of fundamental conclusions need to be drawn from the whole pandemic situation.

    Firstly, this is a revision of the general attitude to medicine, which, like education and culture, was funded on a residual basis. The health system should be one of the priorities in terms of budget spending

    Yeah, first of all, it is necessary to assess the nature of this virus.
    For it depends on how you react to it.
    If this virus is artificial (and there are more than enough reasons for this), then such viruses will be regularly created and spread, and its creator will receive all the benefits from the fight against it.
    And then no spending of BUDGET money will help, sooner or later this mechanism will bankrupt any state.
    ---
    Artificial virus is a biological weapon.
    So its creator is an aggressor - accordingly, in the event of a repeated biological or other attack on our country, it is necessary to uncover Yars, Mace and other missiles and destroy the enemy.
    ---
    Fear of inevitable nuclear retaliation will stop the biological aggressor.
    ---
    Another such pandemic and all these enemy bio-laboratories must be destroyed.
    ---
  20. Shahno
    Shahno 20 June 2020 19: 11
    +1
    To the question, which in the article is the subtext ....
    Effectiveness measures. Here are the results of an analysis based on open data:

    Quality = quality of anti-infection measures and medical infrastructure ...
    0- maximum.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 June 2020 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: Shahno
      0- maximum

      Quote: Shahno
      quality of anti-infection measures and medical infrastructure

      Quality? And what is this indicator measured in?
      Is it relative? Absolute? Why are "measures" added to "infrastructure"? Is this infrastructure for everyone or for a select few?
      In general, the rating is as always: liters plus meters, divided by kilograms, the total United States in the first place, despite the terrible number of deaths and do not give a damn about common sense.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 20 June 2020 20: 38
        0
        Quality is a comprehensive statistically weighted hyperparameter .... Depends on many factors, up to 20 depending on the score. For me, the most important factors in this indicator are percent. put tests and a lot of tests per mil population ..
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 21 June 2020 19: 04
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          Depends on many factor

          To clean up, the most significant factor in such "hyperparameters" is the author's bias. It is even, so to speak, a "superfactor" that is not tangibly prescribed, but manifests itself in the very method of processing and selecting all other factors.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 23 June 2020 09: 20
            0
            Often (prov. A word often) I do not appeal to a personal factor. To tell you why? I don’t care about emotions at all, neither yours nor mine .. If we, of course, are not talking about the female gender .... This list does not have an over-factor ... Otherwise, well, you know, my colleagues will ask me questions about the results. Which I can’t confirm with actual data ...
    2. V1er
      V1er 21 June 2020 06: 54
      0
      And why is 0 taken as a maximum? And it turns out who has less digital quality, is that better? Something these figures do not fit with the real situation in these countries. Then the point is this, you can attribute yourself super quality and even justify it, but at the same time suffer maximum deaths from the epidemic?
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 21 June 2020 07: 55
        +1
        In my opinion, in this list Italy raises slightly up precisely the number of efforts made in the country against the development of the situation, namely, as part of the specific number of tests.
        Although I could be wrong ...
        0 is an indicator, the closer the value is to 0, the better the quality. You can replace it with 1 in 100, this will not change the picture ..
  21. Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 June 2020 19: 45
    0
    Quote: Shahno
    0- maximum.

    Then this is nonsense. Is the USA with a maximum of deaths and corpses in the streets a maximum? Gee-gee-gee A Italy on the 3rd! Yeah huh!
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 20 June 2020 21: 17
      0
      And you calmly read ... Quality is the third column. The states are somewhere in the middle of the list.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 20 June 2020 21: 32
        +1
        And, bastard, I didn’t understand) But it doesn’t climb either - Italy has one and a half times that of the Russian Federation. It is unclear what they appreciated there. Is it Italy, with wild mortality and the complete absence of infection in the country - quality ?! In general - it seems, but if by the QUALITY of medical care - there China is the leader - no options, just no. Australia is on the edge, Israel is always in quarantine, war
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 21 June 2020 07: 57
          0
          Yes you are right. But China was deliberately excluded from the list. Because of? I don’t know, but the list is without China .... I think you can add China and it will be somewhere in the top three.
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 June 2020 20: 58
    +3
    Quote: Mouse
    Such an impression .... that before that no one ever washed their hands ...

    And now also wipe with alcohol.
  23. alone
    alone 20 June 2020 21: 58
    0
    The state is to blame first of all for the fact that when the whole story of the coronovirus was just beginning, it did all kinds of propaganda through the media that this virus was not terrible, it was wonderful miracles, Russians have special immunity, etc., etc.
    Remember what they said Malyshev, Butchers, as Medvedev
    made me take off masks during the meeting .. People were misled ..
    Russia was not materially ready for the fight against the pandemic. .. Hundreds of facts were like medical personnel lacked basic means of protection, ventilators were fire hazard ... there was no single state strategy ..
    Despite peppy statements, the danger did not pass. . The virus continues its dirty work and people die .. And for this state is directly responsible hi
  24. I think logically ... occasionally
    +4
    “The world will never be the same”

    Author, there is such a very correct saying: Never say never. In three to four years, human behavior will return to the state that was before the coronavirus. People will forget about him. Proving it is easy. Search the web for the very first documentaries. They appeared in the region of 1927. It shows bike races, races, etc. People in the stands sit shoulder to shoulder, completely ignoring social distance. Note that this is less than ten years after the Spanish woman who killed at least 50 million. As for future medicine, then, yes, it will change, a little. Arriving at the clinic after four years, you will not feel the difference between 2024m and 2019.
  25. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 20 June 2020 23: 46
    -2
    And again in the goodwill article.
    "Must .... must ... worth ...."
    The Kremlin and Elita have long been forgiven to everyone they owe ...
    "The world will be the same" - almost all the oligarchs simply left the country for quarantine .....
  26. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 21 June 2020 00: 57
    +3
    In Soviet times, everyone would have been provided with masks for free, they would have allocated immunoglobulin from the blood of those who had been ill, which would have reduced mortality to zero. And they would calmly and quickly make a vaccine.
  27. riwas
    riwas 21 June 2020 05: 56
    +2
    The Scientific Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences “Treatment of COVID-19: new methods” was held.
    It was opened by the President of the RAS Alexander Sergeev.
    In particular, for the treatment and prevention of coranavirus, the use of folic acid, or rather the drug, has been proposed Angiitis (cheap, affordable drug). The Covid-19 virus can be completely eradicated, since folic acid is a potential inhibitor of the assembly of coronavirus proteins.
    https://scientificrussia.ru/news/nauchnyj-sovet-ran-lechenie-covid-19-novye-metody-pryamaya-translyatsiya
    Video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQrXHpKhR2Y&feature=emb_logo
  28. Grading
    Grading 21 June 2020 09: 06
    +2
    Quote: Clear
    Quote: Grading
    Quote: Kleber
    It remains to understand one thing: have adequate people remained at VO who have not been counting on the state for a long time.


    And who is this crazy?

  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2020 09: 36
    +1
    Until you yourself begin to wiggle your brains and limit your wishes, no state can do anything. Because sometimes your ego goes against common sense. How many idiots have already declared - "but I want to." Well then, get your signature. Of course, the state can come closer by creating harsh conditions, but then you will all have to walk in formation and not speak.
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 21 June 2020 10: 53
      0
      Of course, the state can come closer with the creation of harsh conditions

      It was scary not to get closer, even to quarantine, it’s the state’s people who have to provide, and not vice versa, that it’s also wink So for more than the obligatory wearing of masks for 30 rubles, there can be no conversation
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 June 2020 11: 04
        -1
        Wholesale 6,50 per mask.
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 21 June 2020 11: 07
          0
          Wholesale 6,50 per mask

          I am happy for the wholesalers, but I take from local pharmacies at retail ... Although it really is time to take a reusable respirator with ali, it will be cheaper
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 June 2020 11: 06
        0
        You are greatly mistaken, you will walk in formation, and you will provide for yourself too, but by yourself.
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 21 June 2020 11: 11
          0
          Well, in such cases, I'm afraid we will have the same thing now in the USA. Only in the place of blacks the entire population of the Russian Federation is self-sufficient
  30. iouris
    iouris 21 June 2020 12: 44
    +1
    And we have already ceased to be "the same". Long.
  31. Grading
    Grading 21 June 2020 15: 01
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Clear
    And who is this crazy?

    This abnormal story every day on the main channel of the tale.

    At the same time, people all actively hawala, hawala and will haw!
  32. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 22 June 2020 02: 54
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    In the 90s, the state first struck a bolt on people. Offering every fifth to die out voluntarily and faster

    And in order to speed it up, he sent the bloody devil Chubais to our heads!
    "Chubais for a long time in Russian big politics and business. He did a lot of troubles in the "drunken 90s" when he squandered state property through privatization scams. His anecdotal vouchers, for which he promised us two Volgas each, became the crown of the criminal plunder of Russia. By the way, to this day, this figure believes that any attempts to change the status quo in terms of asset ownership, when at least half of the country's large industry belongs to offshore companies, will be harshly suppressed. Moreover, Chubais threatens: "Anyone who tries to turn these gears of history in the opposite direction, breaks the teeth and gets in response!"

    https://tsargrad.tv/articles/ot-chubajsa-s-ljubovju_260882
  33. akunin
    akunin 22 June 2020 09: 19
    0
    but the state will have to come to terms with the fact that social spending in the future will also have to increase
    I clap while standing, or rather, sitting in a gauze self-made mask (from the beginning of self-isolation, and I have 3 to replace), when we come to work, we measure the temperature with contact thermometers, a week ago they gave out protective screens for the face (1 per office, and 2 people work at the same time), and 3 days ago they gave out alcohol wipes for treating patients' hands. For 3 months I heard so many "thanks" to myself and the staff ("why are there no hand wipes?", "change gloves, so that I could see ...", " process your hands, what I would see ... "and so on.) you have to fulfill additional requirements for sanitary processing, but no one has foreseen additional payments for this.