Repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost a little more than a quarter billion rubles

The final cost of repairing the only one in Russia is determined navy aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov". According to information published on the public procurement portal, USC will pay the contractor 251,4 million rubles.

According to the portal, only one contractor announced the tender for the repair of an aircraft carrier announced in early May, which offered to make repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but as a result of pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles. The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself has not been concluded, but according to the terms of reference, it must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.

The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.

Recall that the repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr began in 2017. It was originally planned that the cruiser will be delivered to the customer in 2020, but a series of accidents on the ship led to the fact that the timing of the return of the TAVKR began to shift to the right. According to the latest information voiced by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OSK) Alexei Rakhmanov, most likely the cruiser will be delivered to the customer at the end of 2022.

Currently, “Admiral Kuznetsov” is located at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (Zvezdochka branch), where work continues on the creation of a dry dock, including for docking TAVKR. As previously reported, the work is being delayed, the commissioning of the dock was postponed from 2020 to 2021. In May, USC terminated the contract with the contractor for the construction of the dry dock.

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[Vasyan1971]

only one contractor claimed to offer repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but as a result of pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles.

Like one milon bargained? Cool! I respect

[Sandor Clegane]

deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!

[Marconi41]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!

Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Marconi41

Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him.

are you an economist and why do so many people like to count other people's money? why everyone is so sure that aircraft carriers are "attack weapons", straight kindergarten, any weapon - attack !! Talking about cost and need in chat is stupid. There is a fact - Kuzya will live and automatically the carrier-based aircraft will not disappear as a species !!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

why do many people like to count other people's money?

The money is not someone else's, but from the Russian budget. If this is a "foreign" country for you, then excuse me.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

The money is not someone else's, but from the Russian budget. If this is a "foreign" country for you, then excuse me.

Yes, money is not strangers. Yes, from the budget of Russia.
But you have already calculated; how much will its butchering cost? when will he get a replacement? You know for sure, taking into account all the political nuances, that he will not be needed until he has a replacement? You surely, confidently know that we do not need aircraft carriers?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You surely, confidently know that we do not need aircraft carriers?

Yes. Personally, I'm sure. And at the expense of cutting, let there be a museum.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

Yes. Personally, I'm sure. And at the expense of cutting, let there be a museum.

And what would it cost you to convert it into a museum and its contents as a museum? Or will it be someone else's money and not from the budget?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And what would it cost to re-equip it into a museum and its contents as a museum?

In any case, cheaper than the maintenance, as an active combat unit.

[Vladimir1155]

an aircraft carrier is a thing useful to those countries that need it and harmful to those who don’t need it, it all depends on the specific situation and country. Russia has no tasks for Av. There are no tasks far away on their shores except for retaliatory strikes using submarines. There are no opportunities to actively engage in non-nuclear and non-missile torpedo forces far from the coast (there is not enough personnel in the army and navy for this), there is no ACG to escort an aircraft carrier in case of war .... he simply cannot go to sea .... useless expensive toy for show-offs, Meanwhile, India and China have enough surface ships for the AUG and combat missions for an aircraft carrier, they can sell it profitably and invest this money in military aircraft, minesweepers, submarines and anti-aircraft defense frigates.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

We will turn the entire fleet into a museum, and as visitors, we will wait for the NATO military. That's adviser

[mvg]

that he will not be needed until he has a replacement?

I’m embarrassed to ask: how will he help, “when needed”? He already showed everything in Syria .. look at his years of service and exits to the database. When it is needed, it will be repaired, and if not, then screwed up again

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Piramidon

Money is not strangers, but from the budget of Russia.

that is yours?

Quote: Piramidon

If this is a "foreign" country for you

for me, someone else’s power, and my country, but whining in the internet and discussing the dangers of aircraft carriers can only deletants

[TermNachTer]

It can be written off when the Russian shipbuilding industry will restore the competence of building such ships. Alas, I'm afraid it won't be soon. All aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev, the repair of the Gorshkov in Severodvinsk showed that even the repair of ships of this class is a very difficult matter, not to mention building from scratch.

[Ded_Mazay]

A large-capacity shipyard "Zvezda" is being completed in the Far East in the town of Bolshoy Kamen.

[TermNachTer]

I am sincerely glad, but even the most modern shipyard is not all. Working hands - welders - shipbuilders, etc. Are they available in sufficient quantities? What about their qualifications? Even just a good welder is a considerable experience, and a welder, a ship-collector, a hull, is even more difficult; my uncle worked all his life at the Kherson shipbuilding. Welding machines for Nikolaev Kiev Institute of Welding them. Paton designed and manufactured.

[Ded_Mazay]

There are specialists, it would be where to work.

[TermNachTer]

Specialists are not parsley, they will not grow in a couple of months. These are years of work.

[Ded_Mazay]

If there is no where to work there will be no specialists. And if there is a shipyard and there are orders, then specialists are a matter of time.

[Greenwood]

This shipyard was created for commercial orders for tankers and gas carriers. The first Aframax tanker was recently launched there, and it is planned to build at least 12 more tankers. Moreover, the fact that the shipyard actually assembled only the cargo section of the tanker is indicative. The bow and stern were assembled in South Korea, and the equipment was also brought from there. Those. in fact, a screwdriver assembly is implemented. Do you really think that at the current level of qualifications the shipyard is capable of building aircraft carriers ?!
Whatever it was, the shipyard workload plan was written right up to 2035. And no aircraft carriers there and does not smell. Purely commercial assembly for domestic oil and gas companies and foreign customers.

[Ded_Mazay]

As far as I know, we have no other shipyard of this size, so there are no options either. And as for your argument, please do not pull the owl on the globe - show humanity.

[Clone]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

are you an economist and why do so many people like to consider other people's money?

Aliens ??? Stolen? Not. This is not even government money! This, as Thatcher once said, is the money of our taxpayers! This, including, and personally, my money.

[Alanart]

250 million per 100 million economically active population. 2,5 rubles for the ship sorry? Well, you lived, brother :))

[cat Rusich]

Labor force (hard workers) from 15 years old - 74,8 million people, of which 3,5 million are unemployed. Information from gks.ru ... more than 3 rubles comes out, maybe deputies of the State. Thoughts Will they donate one monthly salary to Russia? - 2019 - 353 rubles (information from visasam.ru) per month ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

are you an economist

I do not need to poke, they did not sit at one table.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Kuzya will live and deck aircraft will not disappear automatically as a species !!!

And when was Kuznetsov taking planes for the last time? And when next time will accept? The mere maintenance of this ship (out of order) carries away a lot of money that the fleet needs for combat-ready projects.

[Doccor18]

Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.

There are no other options yet. The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years. And naval aviation should live this time. Navy Elite - Deck Aviation pilots must train. So Admiral Kuznetsov needs to be repaired and operated in the Navy.

[Grits]

Quote: Doccor18

The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years.

Yes you are a seasoned optimist. Even if they start to troit right now, then all the same they will not meet these deadlines.

[Doccor18]

Yes you are a seasoned optimist

In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Doccor18

In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.

That is, when will the senior tomato die?

[Grits]

Quote: Doccor18

In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.

It is truth too.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Doccor18

There are no other options yet. The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years.

That is the question, do we really need aircraft carriers? There is no need to chase the Yankees, who are already beginning to doubt their usefulness. But they can still be understood, "exporting democracy" is the basis of their foreign policy. If everything goes to the fact that now some MRK or fighter-bomber can shoot this trough one and a half thousand miles before approaching it to the strike position, then is it worth the frantic money spent on such structures? The age of aircraft carriers is ending, just as the stars of all battleships and battleships once rolled.

[bayard]

Quote: Piramidon

The age of aircraft carriers ends, just as the stars of all kinds of battleships and battleships once rolled.

A century of strike aircraft carriers is possible. But only the drums.
And reconnaissance, including long-range radar, what are you going to conduct in the long-range and OZ?
And KUG air defense than to secure?
Including from the Kyrgyz Republic?
Shipborne SAMs?
And what is the detection range of low-flying targets in a surface ship?
12 - 30 km. depending on how close to the waves will be pressed?
And if a massive raid?
Will you get it right?
"Kuznetsov" is not a strike or even a multipurpose aircraft carrier.
This is an air defense carrier.
And it is precisely these air defense carriers that our fleet needs for DEFENSE of water areas, to prevent attacks from the sea.
And such ships will be able to build our industry in five years (bookmarks) - technical and qualification capabilities. Unless, of course, financial opportunities allow and there will be state will.

[Doccor18]

If everything goes to the fact that now some sort of RTOs or a fighter-bomber can shoot this trough for one and a half thousand miles

Here the aircraft carrier will be able to drown RTOs for 1500 km., And without any options for salvation. How many pkr can take istr-bombar.? 2-4? Fighter aircraft carrier aircraft group for 500-700 km. these missiles will be waiting from the ship.
Yes, an expensive and complex ship is an aircraft carrier, but its combat effectiveness is incomparable with other units of the fleet.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Doccor18

How many pkr can take istr-bombar.?

One type "Zircon", "Dagger" is enough

Fighter aircraft carrier aircraft group for 500-700 km. these missiles will be waiting from the ship.

RCC is now moving to another level. What can oppose a carrier-based hypersonic missile fighter?

[Malyuta]

Quote: Piramidon

One type "Zircon", "Dagger" is enough

Dannunafiq! Have you gathered a coastal fleet to attack an enemy aircraft carrier? Ndaaa, litter TV drives ....

[ver_]

..this is already a series about the epic * Kuzi * ..

[bayard]

Quote: ver_

..this is already a series about the epic * Kuzi * ..

This series is about cleaning and painting it.
And we are talking about millions (not billions) of rubles.
This is a contract for one of the types of work.

[Motorist]

Quote: bayard

This is a contract for one of the types of work

Did you go to government procurement? I could not find such a lot at all. It is strange that there is no link to the news, so that readers believe themselves - I want specifics on the list of works.

[bayard]

The article says - the contract was not signed, and there was only one applicant - go find another applicant in those parts. The cost is nonsense - to clean the bottom, paint one side. Why this article appeared at all is not clear. To remind you once again that "Kuznetsov" is still alive?
And how are they going to clean the bottom if the dock is not at all ready? Is this a contract for 2022?
And why talk about such details (the cost of painting in 2022) to the public?
Are the authors lacking topics for publications?

[Motorist]

Quote: bayard

The cost is nonsense

The fact of the matter is that the money is too big for the work that is described in the article. It seems (IMHO) to stuffing, so I want to clarify on the source.

[Malyuta]

Quote: bayard

And why talk about such details (the cost of painting in 2022) to the public?

And here everything is simple, the money has been allocated, watercolors have been purchased, there is an inscription on the board and, as on Sayano-Shushenskaya, it will wash it off tomorrow, well, it doesn't matter, it means a new contract, "PAY EMELYA IS YOUR WEEK!"

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.

It is NECESSARY to spend and it is NECESSARY to return the TAVKR to the battlefield so that the crew and pilots train and can use aviation from it.

An aircraft carrier is just an airfield, boilers, systems will be changed and it is like new. This cruiser may become obsolete due to, for example, obsolescence of missile weapons, and here everything is simpler, therefore aircraft carriers serve longer.

A lot of money is spent on servicing even ground-based airdromes, which can close them all too, they are all old, on some the grass grows between the plates ?! )))

Too expensive, such savings will come to us.

We need TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" like air so as not to lose skills in deck aviation. It is this ship that gives us the opportunity to use carrier-based aircraft and will also give us colossal experience that we will take into account in the future and make fewer mistakes when building new aircraft carriers.

We will lose it, then either we will not revive it at all, or we will have to spend much more money on the return of competence.

Aircraft carriers and carrier-based aviation give Russia unique opportunities, in fact an aircraft carrier is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country + up to 70 planes and helicopters (which is more than some countries in Europe) even such as the United States.

And that's why they are doing everything so that this direction stalls in our country, and the pro-Western trolls on the net do not stop and pour mud on our aircraft carrier.

[Ryazan87]

An aircraft carrier is just an airfield, boilers, systems will be changed and it is like new. This cruiser may become obsolete due to, for example, obsolescence of missile weapons.

No, an aircraft carrier is a warship. It is no easier to change boilers and "systems" on it than on a missile cruiser (a cruiser, by the way, can be upgraded - as seen on the example of Ustinov, or rearmed, which, I hope, we will see on the example of "Nakhimov"). Even banal wiring - tens of kilometers. In addition, "Kuznetsov" is, in a sense, a cruiser, it is still a TAVKR. It is clear that this concept did not appear from a good life, but the design flaws are incorrigible.

Serving even ground airports takes a ton of money,

Do not replace concepts and compare stationary ground objects and a ship. Moreover, the numerous and combat-ready ground-based air forces are really critical for Russia.

We need TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" like air so as not to lose skills in deck aviation.

At the moment, there is not even a decent deck aircraft, what kind of air is there. To a couple of dozen elderly Su-33 breathe or what?

It is this ship that gives us the opportunity to use carrier-based aircraft and will also give us tremendous experience

Taking into account its combat readiness in the last 10 years, it is very optimistic to call this experience "colossal". From "Thread" will be more useful.

this is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country + up to 70 planes and helicopters (which is more than some countries in Europe) even such as the USA.

Are you seriously going to send "Kuznetsov" to the shores of the United States? I am ashamed to ask why, and whether it will withstand the crossing of the Atlantic.
R.S., stretch the legs for clothes. UDCs need good Russian Navy for Papuan campaigns such as Syria or Libya, yes.
As for the carrier-based aircraft, it is in the same condition as the Kuznetsov itself. It will be much more useful to develop a branch of marine drones, including shock ones. It is necessary to spend money on this and develop the concept of carrier ships, and not dream of "Midway".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In addition, "Kuznetsov" is, in a sense, a cruiser, it is still a TAVKR. It is clear that this concept did not appear from a good life, but the design flaws are incorrigible.

Everything is fixable, and it is much possible to make an aircraft carrier out of the TAVKR, which Russia has already demonstrated once by converting the Admiral Gorshkov TAVKR into the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier. Approximately the same will happen with the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov".

Do not replace concepts and compare stationary ground objects and a ship. Moreover, the numerous and combat-ready ground-based air forces are really critical for Russia.

And carrier-based aircraft, which is no longer important? Russia needs the aircraft carrier, and its contents against the general background is not something enormous and not lifting for Russia.

250 million rubles is NOTHING, the cost of one MiG-29K-type aircraft is 3000 million rubles (about $ 40 million) !!! What will you save by refusing to repair TAVKR? Wing and tire for MiG-29?

At the moment, there is not even a decent deck aircraft, what kind of air is there. To a couple of dozen elderly Su-33 breathe or what?

Have you heard anything about the MiG-29K / KUB ?! And about the new MiG-35 ?! At its base there will probably be a new deck.

Taking into account its combat readiness in the last 10 years, it is very optimistic to call this experience "colossal". From "Thread" will be more useful.

There is a huge difference between "Thread" and a real aircraft carrier. The thread gives only the skill of taking off and landing from the deck, you will not get any operating experience and even more the possibility of using an aircraft carrier in combat.

Are you seriously going to send "Kuznetsov" to the shores of the United States? I am ashamed to ask why, and whether it will withstand the crossing of the Atlantic.

To demonstrate the possibilities. Not so long ago the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" with 16 calibers on board made a friendly visit to the ports of Cuba, which caused a certain "concern" in the United States not to send an aircraft carrier there after being repaired as part of the AUG, to test and demonstrate the capabilities of the Russian aircraft carrier? !

In my opinion, it’s a very good idea from all sides, we’re not threatening anyone, we’ll check the ship, the fleet will practice and gain experience, guys will see Cuba, they will pile in their pants in the USA, and the countries of South America and Cuba will see that there is another force in the world except the USA .

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

250 million rubles is NOTHING,

of course

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

NOTHING

If you take the trouble to read the article (or tender), you will find out that these funds are for cosmetic repairs for cleaning and painting. This, I believe, is only a meager part of the total amount, which so far no one is going to frighten particularly impressionable inhabitants. If you had known the final calculation, I think your enthusiasm for reviving the old man "Kuzi" would have slightly diminished.
However, it is unlikely .....)

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And if you familiarize yourself with the progress of repair and modernization, you will find out that the new boilers have long been installed on the TAVKR, and other systems and units will also be changed.

But in terms of costs, it costs Russia:

MiG-29K / KUB fighter - 30-40 million dollars (2,1-2,8 billion rubles, 1/5 of the budget of the regional city as Ryazan for a year);
RTO pr.22800 - $ 150 million (10,5 billion rubles);
Corvette pr.20380 - 250 million dollars (17,7 billion rubles);
Frigate pr.22350 - 500 million dollars (35 billion rubles);
The nuclear submarine ave. Borey or Yasen - 1 billion dollars (70 billion rubles);

So compare all the costs of upgrading the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" with other costs and the opportunities they provide.

A new aircraft carrier of approximately the level of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost $ 5 billion - 350 billion rubles + 8-10 years for construction.

We have no alternative to the modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" either for economic or military reasons or for political reasons, and therefore it must be brought to the end !!! The loss of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" will result in huge damage both for the fleet and for the country as a whole.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

We have no alternative to modernizing the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

why is there "no alternative"? It is quite there.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

neither for economic nor for military or for political reasons

well, omit economic and military considerations, it is debatable, but god bless them.
And what are the political reasons, can you outline?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

So compare all costs for the modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" with other costs and those opportunities that they give.

compare. Give the final cost estimate. Do you have it?

[Avior]

Everything is fixable, and it is much possible to make an aircraft carrier out of the TAVKR, which Russia has already demonstrated by converting the TAVKR "Admiral Gorshkov" into the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya.

only at the price of rework it turned out like the cost of the French catapult! aircraft carrier from scratch.
So it’s better not to redo, avaricious pays twice.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

only at the price of rework it turned out like the cost of the French catapult! aircraft carrier from scratch.
So it’s better not to redo, avaricious pays twice.

Yes? Can you justify your statement and confirm with numbers?

[Avior]

The total value of the contract was initially estimated at approximately $ 1,6 billion. For two years, the Indian side transferred about $ 460 million, and in January 2007 completely suspended payments under the contract. In 2007, Russia announced that repair and refurbishment of an aircraft carrier did not fit into the terms and cost stated in the contract. After which a series of long negotiations followed, and on March 12, 2010, the Indians nevertheless signed an additional contract, according to which the total amount of modernization of the ship was, according to various estimates, from 2,3 to 2,9 billion dollars.

https://tass.ru/info/758929
Sharl De Goll

Construction quickly fell behind schedule as the project was starved of funding, which was worsened by the economic recession in the early 1990s. [13] [14] Total costs for the vessel would top € 3 billion.

more than 3 billion euro
other sources have figures of 4-4,5 billion dollars.
Comparable figures, albeit a little more expensive.
given their salaries, especially.

[Greenwood]

As I understand it, this was the main phrase in your entire message:

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

in the USA they will pile in pants, and the countries of South America and Cuba will see that there is another force in the world, besides the USA.

Of course, the United States with its 11 nuclear carriers (and 2 more under construction) will pile in their pants when they see a smoking 30-year-old veteran of the perestroika era without the AUG. Well, would you still mention China or even India. Funny, honestly.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

this is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country ... even such as the United States.

Are you fucking serious?
Why do you need Kuzya off the coast of America?

[Titus_2]

Well then what do you suggest .... what are the options according to the most optimistic forecasts if something new is to be built 10-12 years old is also a question of where to build and another question is there a project of what to build? There is no alternative so far and we hope that there will be no progress on the deadline.

[bayard]

You can build on the Kerch "Zaliv" - there the slipways and the dock allow. After 4 - 5 years, you can lay, after launching the second UDC. Just the shipbuilding competence will catch up. There, in due time, and not of such a displacement, ships were built.
There are projects - a few to choose from, but it is more reasonable to build an average displacement of 45 - 50 thousand tons, with a catapult and 2 - 4 AWACS aircraft on board. Just like an air defense carrier.
At the second stage, you can take on nuclear power plants, but it is better to do this at Zvezda in Bolshoy Kamen, and not earlier than 8-10 years later - the plant has not yet been completed and has not accumulated the necessary competencies for such a complex order. Yes, and civil orders from "Zvezda" to the eyeballs.
And it would be smarter to drag "Kuzyu" by tugs to "Zaliv" and repair it there - there is a dock, the capacity is sufficient, the climate does not interfere. But apparently there are problems with the passage of the straits on the tow of such a colossus - there are currents there, the Turks may disagree.

[Ryazan87]

Russia has already demonstrated once by redesigning the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier into the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.

Certainly. This alone took 8 years of work and at least $ 1.5 billion (together with the air group and the simulator, the price tag there jumped to almost 5 billion). It is unlikely that the rework of "Kuznetsov" will cost much less and will be much faster.

250 million rubles is NOTHING,

Absolutely agree. Serious repairs and upgrades are completely different numbers. You can only paint it for the announced amount.

Have you heard anything about the MiG-29K / KUB ?! And about the new MiG-35 ?!

I heard, of course. Especially about the 35th, the use of which they cannot come up with intelligible. Well, ok, there will be "power" from 20 MiG-29K / KUB. And in parallel, we will launch the production of a small-scale branch of the shipborne MiG-35. Those. spend at least another billion $?

There is a huge difference between "Thread" and a real aircraft carrier.

I agree. But only if the aircraft carrier regularly goes to sea, and does not defend after each trip for several years in repair.

To demonstrate the possibilities.

Well, the Syrian campaign demonstrated them well.

Guys will see Cuba, in the USA they will pile in their pants,

Honestly, it will be cheaper for guys to buy a charter for everyone in Cuba. Americans if heaped, then perhaps out of laughter.
Do you seriously believe that for the sake of this it costs 8 years to repair an old and unsuccessful ship, to spend at least $ 3 billion?
I repeat, it is necessary to develop marine drones - there will be much more benefits. And not to catch the day before yesterday. Yes, it is better in the end to build a couple of "Ash" or to extend the series of frigates.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Ryazanets87

Honestly, it will be cheaper for guys to buy a charter for everyone in Cuba. Americans if heaped, then perhaps out of laughter.

[Vladislav_2]

make out of it a "target in the sea-ocean" and work out missiles on it (not lower than the waterline))) .... the test run will work !!! .... (minus) ... but for THIS money (tax from each of us) you can build a new TAKR !!!

[WILL]

Well, what other options are there? Russia cannot afford to lose the only Aircraft Carrier Cruiser. This is, first of all, the School desk, for the training of Pilots and a visual aid for aircraft designers, shipbuilders and Ship designers.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: ANIMAL

visual material

"Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid of indecency, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair. For "Admiral Kuznetsov" it is necessary to build the infrastructure: a separate boiler room and a separate substation, a turbo-compressor shop, a large high crane on the quay, an entrance for at least large-sized wheeled vehicles, or even for railway. And all this taking into account its draft. And all this is inside the naval base. None of this is being built + Achtung was added with the construction of a dry dock after the flooding of PD-50.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

"Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair.

What is the conclusion?

[Bashkirkhan]

Conclusion: first you need infrastructure for the ship, without it, it will rot at the pier.

[Grits]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Conclusion: first you need infrastructure for the ship, without it it will rot at

And most importantly, there is a rich experience of such decay. The Far East saw how the Minsk and Novorossiysk TAKRs were successfully killing their resource in the Strelok Bay in the roadstead. And the slow death of SSV-33 "Ural" personally observed from its side. And all this is due to the lack of a proper base infrastructure.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

What is the conclusion?

Do you remember the phrase for this frame?

[New Year day]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

"Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair.

and the work of super-managers who are assigned strategic objects (floating dock). Due to the fault of the dock, he must also reimburse the cost of repair.

Quote: Bashkirkhan

For "Admiral Kuznetsov" it is necessary to build the infrastructure: a separate boiler room and a separate substation, a turbo-compressor shop, a large high crane on the quay, an entrance for at least large-sized wheeled vehicles, or even for railway.

unquestionably

Quote: Bashkirkhan

None of this is being built

Unfortunately

[Aviator_]

Due to the fault of the dock, he must also reimburse the cost of repair.

Quite right, let Rosneft, which saved on the emergency diesel generator, repair the ship using its own funds. She has a lot of them.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

"Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity

rather, it’s a visual aid precisely of indecency, that is, the battleships built by Gorshkov at the expense of the people were not needed for their vanity, and the USSR was destroyed by this squandering, all of Kuzi’s sisters didn’t even have a berth, they stood on a barrel and quickly died, and Kuze still very lucky, he even found a pier at the factory ....

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: ANIMAL

Russia cannot afford to lose the only Aircraft Carrier Cruiser.

If this happens, the flashes from the burning chairs of the "expert" community will be visible from Mars.
Not to mention much more significant consequences ...

[pereselenec]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!

URA! URA! URA!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

carrier-based aviation to be!

This slogan was relevant about 20 years ago, when it was necessary not to cut a tail like a cat in parts, but to make one serious thorough repair. And now, Kuzya is cooling more at the docks than going to the BZ.
The question is whether we need aircraft carriers are very controversial. To build a full-fledged aircraft carrier with an air wing, at least in 70 aircraft, we need a minimum of 15 years, money of at least 5-6 American raccoons (and so as not to plunder, which is not realistic in principle), specialists, and a lot of hemorrhoids with suppliers and contractors . As a result, in 20 years (taking into account sea trials, state tests, etc.) we will receive our first aircraft carrier. But the only question is, in 20 years they will be as relevant as they are now?
Moreover, speaking specifically about our fleets, we need at least 5 aircraft carriers. Now ask yourself if our economy will not be protected from such costs, and industry from the fact that the experience of building aircraft carriers was lost 20 years ago?

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Kuzyu look forward to!

Or maybe it's time to tie up with these half measures and redecorations of a half-dead aircraft carrier? Maybe it’s time to concentrate money and intellectual potential in order to completely nullify the advantage of the United States in AUG, developing cheaper (compared to an aircraft carrier) and long-range weapons of destruction? No?

[Malyuta]

Kuzya is a memorial to the Great Soviet Epoch and he is already ashamed to live without this era, because they continue to scoff at him, writing off huge amounts of money on him, without any visible result.

[knn54]

- The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself has not been concluded, but according to the terms of reference, it must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.
Taking off my hat.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: knn54

according to the statement of work, he must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.
Taking off my hat.

And what is wrong?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.

It seems that this is a payment for the installation and cleaning of forests with the painting of one starboard side! Plus repair of hull structures and superstructures! And that seems to be the whole repair! In general, redecorating one side and superstructure !? The propulsion system and weapons systems are in excellent condition !?

[Laksamana besar]

It’s just a contract for these works, and not for repairs in general.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In general, redecorating one side and superstructure !?

oh, I understand ..... it can now be put on the starboard side to the television cameras for parades, and the barrel is already ready

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

The propulsion system and weapon systems are in excellent condition !?

It is ONLY about eliminating the consequences of a fire. The rest is repair and modernization - about 60 billion rubles were allocated for them

[Thrifty]

Well, then they scared hundreds of billions of rubles for repairs, as if they decided to make the deck in the hand with a thickness of platinum, at least!

[cormorant]

1 million bargained, then they will add 100 million, for the first time chtol. Like the ruble fell, hidden work, etc., find how to wind. Since 2017, repairs are underway and another 2 years at least. Well, what can be repaired over the years !!! Drive it away to the Chinese, they will make it in a month like new ..

[immobile2008]

The final cost of repairing the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in the Russian fleet "Admiral Kuznetsov" has been determined

What a rant! The author does not seem to live in Russia. It’s clear that this is the cost for 2020, it will be further adjusted, contractors will change, switchmen will land (not exactly about switchmen)

[iouris]

And it will be a high-quality "European-quality" renovation. And lope buit cost the rise and "commissioning" of the sunken dock?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: iouris

A lope buit cost the rise and "commissioning" of the sunken dock?

They will not lift the dock. No one needs it.

[Nikolay Dyaglev]

Maybe you should not revive this zombie? Let him sleep peacefully)))

[Alien From]

This cruiser is needed as a training one, it’s time to build a new generation aircraft carrier, along with the aircraft wing naturally .....

[iouris]

Quote: Alien From

This cruiser is needed

Every whim for your money!

[Alien From]

So almost everyone pays taxes ...

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

And the oligarchs too? The whole country knows where they pay them.

[Alien From]

This is one of the main troubles of our country ..... ((

[Prahlad]

To build a stand on the ground of concrete, no billions are needed. There is no sense in swelling into a virtual corpse

[alone]

Quote: Alien From

This cruiser is needed as a training one, it’s time to build a new generation aircraft carrier, along with the aircraft wing naturally .....

First you need a dry dock to build a ship of this size, and then build an aircraft carrier and an aircraft wing

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Alien From

This cruiser is needed as a training one,

how is the target?)

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

They will strongly marry a contract agreement, even if you don’t go to your grandmother, it’s not even a launch site, but still.

[Ross xnumx]

I am only concerned about two circumstances, the main of which:
WILL THE “ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV” AFTER REPAIR BY AN EXISTING FULL-WEIGHT BATTLE UNIT AND BE ABLE TO MEET ITS PURPOSE?
Let's hope for the best...

[gabonskijfront]

Quaye is in good shape, our entire defense industry.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

250 million rubles for the state is so little ... there is nothing about the tone of the conversation.

[Mouse]

The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself is not concluded

To prematurely judge something .... IMHO

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Minus one, yes, I’m talking to you, remember, when the repair budget is too high, then don’t say that I’ve gotten into .

[AU Ivanov.]

When you make repairs in an apartment, do you always fit into the initial estimate? I personally have never fit in, always in real life towards the upside.

[Professor]

According to the portal, only one contractor announced the tender for the repair of an aircraft carrier announced in early May, which offered to make repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but according to the results of the pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles.

No options. $ 36 lyam for such a repair amount is a lie. Or they will not repair it. or it will cost 7-10 times more expensive.

[Bashkirkhan]

The publication says that this amount is allocated for partial painting of the cruiser.

The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.

[Avior]

the article gives the impression that this is the total cost of repairing the ship
in fact, we are talking about one area of ​​repair work, far from the most costly

cleaning of the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and its painting (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

No options. $ 36 lyam for this amount of repair

To paint the port side? Do not worry, then the right side will need to be painted.

[Local from the Volga]

3,6 lyama actually !!!! bad with professors ...

[Normal]

How cleverly, for the average ear, the article is titled. Feel the difference as they say - 250 million rubles and a quarter of a billion. Latently, an excuse is being created for the "howling" of liberalism, they say, but what about the old people, the roads are well and further along the training manual to the end.

[Ingenegr]

Repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost a little more than a quarter billion rubles

They will certainly be repaired, if during the repair process they do not burn at all or drown to hell. It's like a sport for "contractors".
This is the amers - "to save Private Ryan." We have a different movie - "finishing off Admiral Kuznetsov."
I would like to know what are the risks of contractors seeking the only Russian TavKR?

[Asad]

Have you already corrected the consequences of the fire? Maybe missed the news?

[zenion]

Two hundred and fifty million is nonsense. But a quarter of a billion is a figure. And if you translate into trillions, or light years, the back of the head will itch.

[Andrey1903]

Another money laundering.

[Double major]

And what? Free cheese only in a mousetrap. Napoleon Bonapard: "A people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's." The main thing is to do it efficiently.

[30143]

We all drink, but the fleet will not be dishonored!

[Clone]

Purely into space ... Money has begun to count. Well, more of a certain amount of kopecks will be mine. But then the thought immediately arises - how many tanks, airplanes, for something else, but very necessary for defense, could be built-repaired for a pittance that was simply swollen into a famous temple? Someone's vanity, we will not name names, tickled ... And then?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Not "repairs will cost", but the first stage.

[regdan]

Again, kickback kickbacks will begin. Well, maybe there will be some kind of fire and you can again ask for money.

[evgen1221]

Kuzya will die.

[mag nit]

If again the crane does not fall ...

[30143]

A joke came to mind.
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed a contract for painting the cruiser Ukraine with Rabinovich.
Come to take work. And the ship is painted on one side.
Representative of Moscow Region, type, the contract is not executed.
But Rabinovich opens the agreement and reads - the agreement was drawn up by Rabinovich on the one hand and the Defense Ministry on the other. I, says, painted my half.
What is it for me?
It seems that Kuzya turned into a double cow for cutting dough.
Has anyone seen damage? Secrecy. And for those who want to say something, you can throw a million and shut up.

[Polente the Wanderer]

It may be more profitable just to park as a training airfield.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: bayard

A KUG air defense than to provide?

why provide "air defense kug," if such kug simply does not exist in nature ... well, don't you think that kug is the only combat-ready old cruiser Ustinov (forever munched in the Mediterranean) frigate and three old BODs to boot? and this is the entire "strongest" northern fleet, except for boats and MPK and MRK

[Alexey from Perm]

it is entirely possible that we will not see our aircraft carrier anymore

[pin_code]

The cruiser is needed, definitely. At least in order to save the shots of both sailors and pilots. And for those who want to cut into needles, I can say, avaricious pays twice. you can save now 250 million, and tomorrow spend billions only on training the crew of the ship and the flight component.

[Reviews]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Like one milon bargained? Cool! I respect

"Who bought an apartment - a baseball cap as a gift!"