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Repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost a little more than a quarter billion rubles

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Repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost a little more than a quarter billion rubles

The final cost of repairing the only one in Russia is determined navy aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov". According to information published on the public procurement portal, USC will pay the contractor 251,4 million rubles.


According to the portal, only one contractor announced the tender for the repair of an aircraft carrier announced in early May, which offered to make repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but as a result of pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles. The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself has not been concluded, but according to the terms of reference, it must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.

The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.

Recall that the repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr began in 2017. It was originally planned that the cruiser will be delivered to the customer in 2020, but a series of accidents on the ship led to the fact that the timing of the return of the TAVKR began to shift to the right. According to the latest information voiced by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OSK) Alexei Rakhmanov, most likely the cruiser will be delivered to the customer at the end of 2022.

Currently, “Admiral Kuznetsov” is located at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (Zvezdochka branch), where work continues on the creation of a dry dock, including for docking TAVKR. As previously reported, the work is being delayed, the commissioning of the dock was postponed from 2020 to 2021. In May, USC terminated the contract with the contractor for the construction of the dry dock.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 20 June 2020 11: 29
    12
    only one contractor claimed to offer repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but as a result of pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles.

    Like one milon bargained? Cool! I respect
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 20 June 2020 11: 35
      -4
      deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 20 June 2020 11: 42
        12
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!

        Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 20 June 2020 11: 59
          -19 qualifying.
          Quote: Marconi41
          Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him.

          are you an economist and why do so many people like to count other people's money? why everyone is so sure that aircraft carriers are "attack weapons", straight kindergarten, any weapon - attack !! Talking about cost and need in chat is stupid. There is a fact - Kuzya will live and automatically the carrier-based aircraft will not disappear as a species !!!
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 June 2020 13: 00
            24
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            why do many people like to count other people's money?

            The money is not someone else's, but from the Russian budget. If this is a "foreign" country for you, then excuse me.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 14: 13
              +6
              Quote: Piramidon

              The money is not someone else's, but from the Russian budget. If this is a "foreign" country for you, then excuse me.

              Yes, money is not strangers. Yes, from the budget of Russia.
              But you have already calculated; how much will its butchering cost? when will he get a replacement? You know for sure, taking into account all the political nuances, that he will not be needed until he has a replacement? You surely, confidently know that we do not need aircraft carriers?
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 20 June 2020 14: 28
                +3
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                You surely, confidently know that we do not need aircraft carriers?

                Yes. Personally, I'm sure. And at the expense of cutting, let there be a museum.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 17: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Piramidon

                  Yes. Personally, I'm sure. And at the expense of cutting, let there be a museum.

                  And what would it cost you to convert it into a museum and its contents as a museum? Or will it be someone else's money and not from the budget?
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 20 June 2020 19: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And what would it cost to re-equip it into a museum and its contents as a museum?

                    In any case, cheaper than the maintenance, as an active combat unit.
                2. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 20 June 2020 17: 52
                  -4
                  an aircraft carrier is a thing useful to those countries that need it and harmful to those who don’t need it, it all depends on the specific situation and country. Russia has no tasks for Av. There are no tasks far away on their shores except for retaliatory strikes using submarines. There are no opportunities to actively engage in non-nuclear and non-missile torpedo forces far from the coast (there is not enough personnel in the army and navy for this), there is no ACG to escort an aircraft carrier in case of war .... he simply cannot go to sea .... useless expensive toy for show-offs, Meanwhile, India and China have enough surface ships for the AUG and combat missions for an aircraft carrier, they can sell it profitably and invest this money in military aircraft, minesweepers, submarines and anti-aircraft defense frigates.
                3. Alexey Koshkarov
                  Alexey Koshkarov 21 June 2020 13: 08
                  -2
                  We will turn the entire fleet into a museum, and as visitors, we will wait for the NATO military. That's adviser
              2. mvg
                mvg 20 June 2020 15: 34
                +2
                that he will not be needed until he has a replacement?

                I’m embarrassed to ask: how will he help, “when needed”? He already showed everything in Syria .. look at his years of service and exits to the database. When it is needed, it will be repaired, and if not, then screwed up again
            2. Sandor Clegane
              Sandor Clegane 21 June 2020 22: 25
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Money is not strangers, but from the budget of Russia.

              that is yours? wassat belay
              Quote: Piramidon
              If this is a "foreign" country for you
              for me, someone else’s power, and my country, but whining in the internet and discussing the dangers of aircraft carriers can only deletants
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 20 June 2020 14: 07
            +9
            It can be written off when the Russian shipbuilding industry will restore the competence of building such ships. Alas, I'm afraid it won't be soon. All aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev, the repair of the Gorshkov in Severodvinsk showed that even the repair of ships of this class is a very difficult matter, not to mention building from scratch.
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 20 June 2020 17: 15
              -4
              A large-capacity shipyard "Zvezda" is being completed in the Far East in the town of Bolshoy Kamen.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 20 June 2020 20: 44
                0
                I am sincerely glad, but even the most modern shipyard is not all. Working hands - welders - shipbuilders, etc. Are they available in sufficient quantities? What about their qualifications? Even just a good welder is a considerable experience, and a welder, a ship-collector, a hull, is even more difficult; my uncle worked all his life at the Kherson shipbuilding. Welding machines for Nikolaev Kiev Institute of Welding them. Paton designed and manufactured.
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 20 June 2020 22: 11
                  -3
                  There are specialists, it would be where to work.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 21 June 2020 11: 03
                    -1
                    Specialists are not parsley, they will not grow in a couple of months. These are years of work.
                    1. Ded_Mazay
                      Ded_Mazay 21 June 2020 16: 06
                      +1
                      If there is no where to work there will be no specialists. And if there is a shipyard and there are orders, then specialists are a matter of time.
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 21 June 2020 13: 16
                +2
                This shipyard was created for commercial orders for tankers and gas carriers. The first Aframax tanker was recently launched there, and it is planned to build at least 12 more tankers. Moreover, the fact that the shipyard actually assembled only the cargo section of the tanker is indicative. The bow and stern were assembled in South Korea, and the equipment was also brought from there. Those. in fact, a screwdriver assembly is implemented. Do you really think that at the current level of qualifications the shipyard is capable of building aircraft carriers ?! lol
                Whatever it was, the shipyard workload plan was written right up to 2035. And no aircraft carriers there and does not smell. Purely commercial assembly for domestic oil and gas companies and foreign customers.
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 21 June 2020 20: 21
                  0
                  As far as I know, we have no other shipyard of this size, so there are no options either. And as for your argument, please do not pull the owl on the globe - show humanity. lol
          3. Clone
            Clone 20 June 2020 14: 13
            0
            Quote: Sandor Clegane

            are you an economist and why do so many people like to consider other people's money?

            Aliens ??? Stolen? Not. This is not even government money! This, as Thatcher once said, is the money of our taxpayers! This, including, and personally, my money.
            1. Alanart
              Alanart 20 June 2020 22: 52
              0
              250 million per 100 million economically active population. 2,5 rubles for the ship sorry? Well, you lived, brother :))
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 20 June 2020 23: 36
                0
                Labor force (hard workers) from 15 years old - 74,8 million people, of which 3,5 million are unemployed. Information from gks.ru ... more than 3 rubles comes out, maybe deputies of the State. Thoughts bully Will they donate one monthly salary to Russia? - 2019 - 353 rubles (information from visasam.ru) per month ...
          4. Marconi41
            Marconi41 21 June 2020 11: 14
            +1
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            are you an economist

            I do not need to poke, they did not sit at one table.
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            Kuzya will live and deck aircraft will not disappear automatically as a species !!!

            And when was Kuznetsov taking planes for the last time? And when next time will accept? The mere maintenance of this ship (out of order) carries away a lot of money that the fleet needs for combat-ready projects.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 20 June 2020 12: 07
          10
          Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.

          There are no other options yet. The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years. And naval aviation should live this time. Navy Elite - Deck Aviation pilots must train. So Admiral Kuznetsov needs to be repaired and operated in the Navy.
          1. Grits
            Grits 20 June 2020 12: 55
            15
            Quote: Doccor18
            The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years.

            Yes you are a seasoned optimist. Even if they start to troit right now, then all the same they will not meet these deadlines.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 20 June 2020 16: 26
              +3
              Yes you are a seasoned optimist

              In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 21 June 2020 00: 38
                +2
                Quote: Doccor18
                In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.

                That is, when will the senior tomato die?
              2. Grits
                Grits 21 June 2020 02: 07
                0
                Quote: Doccor18
                In our country, this is the only way to live, believing in a bright future.

                It is truth too.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 June 2020 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: Doccor18
            There are no other options yet. The new one will be, at best, in 15-20 years.

            That is the question, do we really need aircraft carriers? There is no need to chase the Yankees, who are already beginning to doubt their usefulness. But they can still be understood, "exporting democracy" is the basis of their foreign policy. If everything goes to the fact that now some MRK or fighter-bomber can shoot this trough one and a half thousand miles before approaching it to the strike position, then is it worth the frantic money spent on such structures? The age of aircraft carriers is ending, just as the stars of all battleships and battleships once rolled. hi
            1. bayard
              bayard 20 June 2020 14: 34
              +9
              Quote: Piramidon
              The age of aircraft carriers ends, just as the stars of all kinds of battleships and battleships once rolled.

              A century of strike aircraft carriers is possible. But only the drums.
              And reconnaissance, including long-range radar, what are you going to conduct in the long-range and OZ?
              And KUG air defense than to secure?
              Including from the Kyrgyz Republic?
              Shipborne SAMs?
              And what is the detection range of low-flying targets in a surface ship?
              12 - 30 km. depending on how close to the waves will be pressed?
              And if a massive raid?
              Will you get it right?
              "Kuznetsov" is not a strike or even a multipurpose aircraft carrier.
              This is an air defense carrier.
              And it is precisely these air defense carriers that our fleet needs for DEFENSE of water areas, to prevent attacks from the sea.
              And such ships will be able to build our industry in five years (bookmarks) - technical and qualification capabilities. Unless, of course, financial opportunities allow and there will be state will.
            2. Doccor18
              Doccor18 20 June 2020 19: 53
              +3
              If everything goes to the fact that now some sort of RTOs or a fighter-bomber can shoot this trough for one and a half thousand miles

              Here the aircraft carrier will be able to drown RTOs for 1500 km., And without any options for salvation. How many pkr can take istr-bombar.? 2-4? Fighter aircraft carrier aircraft group for 500-700 km. these missiles will be waiting from the ship.
              Yes, an expensive and complex ship is an aircraft carrier, but its combat effectiveness is incomparable with other units of the fleet.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 20 June 2020 21: 52
                -2
                Quote: Doccor18
                How many pkr can take istr-bombar.?

                One type "Zircon", "Dagger" is enough
                Fighter aircraft carrier aircraft group for 500-700 km. these missiles will be waiting from the ship.

                RCC is now moving to another level. What can oppose a carrier-based hypersonic missile fighter?
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 21 June 2020 00: 43
                  +5
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  One type "Zircon", "Dagger" is enough

                  Dannunafiq! Have you gathered a coastal fleet to attack an enemy aircraft carrier? Ndaaa, litter TV drives ....
        3. ver_
          ver_ 20 June 2020 12: 14
          +4
          ..this is already a series about the epic * Kuzi * ..
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 June 2020 14: 38
            +8
            Quote: ver_
            ..this is already a series about the epic * Kuzi * ..

            This series is about cleaning and painting it.
            And we are talking about millions (not billions) of rubles.
            This is a contract for one of the types of work.
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 20 June 2020 16: 10
              0
              Quote: bayard
              This is a contract for one of the types of work

              Did you go to government procurement? I could not find such a lot at all. It is strange that there is no link to the news, so that readers believe themselves - I want specifics on the list of works.
              1. bayard
                bayard 20 June 2020 17: 18
                +4
                The article says - the contract was not signed, and there was only one applicant - go find another applicant in those parts. The cost is nonsense - to clean the bottom, paint one side. Why this article appeared at all is not clear. To remind you once again that "Kuznetsov" is still alive?
                And how are they going to clean the bottom if the dock is not at all ready? Is this a contract for 2022?
                And why talk about such details (the cost of painting in 2022) to the public?
                Are the authors lacking topics for publications?
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 20 June 2020 22: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: bayard
                  The cost is nonsense

                  The fact of the matter is that the money is too big for the work that is described in the article. It seems (IMHO) to stuffing, so I want to clarify on the source.
                2. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 21 June 2020 00: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: bayard
                  And why talk about such details (the cost of painting in 2022) to the public?

                  And here everything is simple, the money has been allocated, watercolors have been purchased, there is an inscription on the board and, as on Sayano-Shushenskaya, it will wash it off tomorrow, well, it doesn't matter, it means a new contract, "PAY EMELYA IS YOUR WEEK!"
        4. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 20 June 2020 13: 00
          +3
          Damn, maybe you don’t have to spend money on him. It will never be new, and the old one requires quite a few cash investments.


          It is NECESSARY to spend and it is NECESSARY to return the TAVKR to the battlefield so that the crew and pilots train and can use aviation from it.

          An aircraft carrier is just an airfield, boilers, systems will be changed and it is like new. This cruiser may become obsolete due to, for example, obsolescence of missile weapons, and here everything is simpler, therefore aircraft carriers serve longer.

          A lot of money is spent on servicing even ground-based airdromes, which can close them all too, they are all old, on some the grass grows between the plates ?! )))

          Too expensive, such savings will come to us.

          We need TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" like air so as not to lose skills in deck aviation. It is this ship that gives us the opportunity to use carrier-based aircraft and will also give us colossal experience that we will take into account in the future and make fewer mistakes when building new aircraft carriers.

          We will lose it, then either we will not revive it at all, or we will have to spend much more money on the return of competence.

          Aircraft carriers and carrier-based aviation give Russia unique opportunities, in fact an aircraft carrier is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country + up to 70 planes and helicopters (which is more than some countries in Europe) even such as the United States.

          And that's why they are doing everything so that this direction stalls in our country, and the pro-Western trolls on the net do not stop and pour mud on our aircraft carrier.
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 20 June 2020 13: 34
            +3
            An aircraft carrier is just an airfield, boilers, systems will be changed and it is like new. This cruiser may become obsolete due to, for example, obsolescence of missile weapons.

            No, an aircraft carrier is a warship. It is no easier to change boilers and "systems" on it than on a missile cruiser (a cruiser, by the way, can be upgraded - as seen on the example of Ustinov, or rearmed, which, I hope, we will see on the example of "Nakhimov"). Even banal wiring - tens of kilometers. In addition, "Kuznetsov" is, in a sense, a cruiser, it is still a TAVKR. It is clear that this concept did not appear from a good life, but the design flaws are incorrigible.
            Serving even ground airports takes a ton of money,

            Do not replace concepts and compare stationary ground objects and a ship. Moreover, the numerous and combat-ready ground-based air forces are really critical for Russia.
            We need TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" like air so as not to lose skills in deck aviation.

            At the moment, there is not even a decent deck aircraft, what kind of air is there. To a couple of dozen elderly Su-33 breathe or what?
            It is this ship that gives us the opportunity to use carrier-based aircraft and will also give us tremendous experience

            Taking into account its combat readiness in the last 10 years, it is very optimistic to call this experience "colossal". From "Thread" will be more useful.
            this is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country + up to 70 planes and helicopters (which is more than some countries in Europe) even such as the USA.

            Are you seriously going to send "Kuznetsov" to the shores of the United States? I am ashamed to ask why, and whether it will withstand the crossing of the Atlantic.
            R.S., stretch the legs for clothes. UDCs need good Russian Navy for Papuan campaigns such as Syria or Libya, yes.
            As for the carrier-based aircraft, it is in the same condition as the Kuznetsov itself. It will be much more useful to develop a branch of marine drones, including shock ones. It is necessary to spend money on this and develop the concept of carrier ships, and not dream of "Midway".
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 20 June 2020 14: 07
              +3
              In addition, "Kuznetsov" is, in a sense, a cruiser, it is still a TAVKR. It is clear that this concept did not appear from a good life, but the design flaws are incorrigible.


              Everything is fixable, and it is much possible to make an aircraft carrier out of the TAVKR, which Russia has already demonstrated once by converting the Admiral Gorshkov TAVKR into the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier. Approximately the same will happen with the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov".

              Do not replace concepts and compare stationary ground objects and a ship. Moreover, the numerous and combat-ready ground-based air forces are really critical for Russia.


              And carrier-based aircraft, which is no longer important? Russia needs the aircraft carrier, and its contents against the general background is not something enormous and not lifting for Russia.

              250 million rubles is NOTHING, the cost of one MiG-29K-type aircraft is 3000 million rubles (about $ 40 million) !!! What will you save by refusing to repair TAVKR? Wing and tire for MiG-29?

              At the moment, there is not even a decent deck aircraft, what kind of air is there. To a couple of dozen elderly Su-33 breathe or what?


              Have you heard anything about the MiG-29K / KUB ?! And about the new MiG-35 ?! At its base there will probably be a new deck.

              Taking into account its combat readiness in the last 10 years, it is very optimistic to call this experience "colossal". From "Thread" will be more useful.


              There is a huge difference between "Thread" and a real aircraft carrier. The thread gives only the skill of taking off and landing from the deck, you will not get any operating experience and even more the possibility of using an aircraft carrier in combat.

              Are you seriously going to send "Kuznetsov" to the shores of the United States? I am ashamed to ask why, and whether it will withstand the crossing of the Atlantic.


              To demonstrate the possibilities. Not so long ago the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" with 16 calibers on board made a friendly visit to the ports of Cuba, which caused a certain "concern" in the United States not to send an aircraft carrier there after being repaired as part of the AUG, to test and demonstrate the capabilities of the Russian aircraft carrier? !

              In my opinion, it’s a very good idea from all sides, we’re not threatening anyone, we’ll check the ship, the fleet will practice and gain experience, guys will see Cuba, they will pile in their pants in the USA, and the countries of South America and Cuba will see that there is another force in the world except the USA .
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 14: 54
                -3
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                250 million rubles is NOTHING,


                of course
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                NOTHING

                If you take the trouble to read the article (or tender), you will find out that these funds are for cosmetic repairs for cleaning and painting. This, I believe, is only a meager part of the total amount, which so far no one is going to frighten particularly impressionable inhabitants. If you had known the final calculation, I think your enthusiasm for reviving the old man "Kuzi" would have slightly diminished.
                However, it is unlikely .....)
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 20 June 2020 15: 11
                  +3
                  And if you familiarize yourself with the progress of repair and modernization, you will find out that the new boilers have long been installed on the TAVKR, and other systems and units will also be changed.

                  But in terms of costs, it costs Russia:

                  MiG-29K / KUB fighter - 30-40 million dollars (2,1-2,8 billion rubles, 1/5 of the budget of the regional city as Ryazan for a year);
                  RTO pr.22800 - $ 150 million (10,5 billion rubles);
                  Corvette pr.20380 - 250 million dollars (17,7 billion rubles);
                  Frigate pr.22350 - 500 million dollars (35 billion rubles);
                  The nuclear submarine ave. Borey or Yasen - 1 billion dollars (70 billion rubles);

                  So compare all the costs of upgrading the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" with other costs and the opportunities they provide.

                  A new aircraft carrier of approximately the level of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost $ 5 billion - 350 billion rubles + 8-10 years for construction.

                  We have no alternative to the modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" either for economic or military reasons or for political reasons, and therefore it must be brought to the end !!! The loss of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" will result in huge damage both for the fleet and for the country as a whole.
                  1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 05
                    -4
                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    We have no alternative to modernizing the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

                    why is there "no alternative"? It is quite there.


                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    neither for economic nor for military or for political reasons

                    well, omit economic and military considerations, it is debatable, but god bless them.
                    And what are the political reasons, can you outline?
                  2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 18
                    -3
                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    So compare all costs for the modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" with other costs and those opportunities that they give.


                    compare. Give the final cost estimate. Do you have it?
              2. Avior
                Avior 20 June 2020 15: 10
                -2
                Everything is fixable, and it is much possible to make an aircraft carrier out of the TAVKR, which Russia has already demonstrated by converting the TAVKR "Admiral Gorshkov" into the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya.

                only at the price of rework it turned out like the cost of the French catapult! aircraft carrier from scratch.
                So it’s better not to redo, avaricious pays twice.
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 20 June 2020 15: 40
                  -1
                  only at the price of rework it turned out like the cost of the French catapult! aircraft carrier from scratch.
                  So it’s better not to redo, avaricious pays twice.


                  Yes? Can you justify your statement and confirm with numbers?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 20 June 2020 16: 03
                    +2
                    The total value of the contract was initially estimated at approximately $ 1,6 billion. For two years, the Indian side transferred about $ 460 million, and in January 2007 completely suspended payments under the contract. In 2007, Russia announced that repair and refurbishment of an aircraft carrier did not fit into the terms and cost stated in the contract. After which a series of long negotiations followed, and on March 12, 2010, the Indians nevertheless signed an additional contract, according to which the total amount of modernization of the ship was, according to various estimates, from 2,3 to 2,9 billion dollars.

                    https://tass.ru/info/758929
                    Sharl De Goll
                    Construction quickly fell behind schedule as the project was starved of funding, which was worsened by the economic recession in the early 1990s. [13] [14] Total costs for the vessel would top € 3 billion.

                    more than 3 billion euro
                    other sources have figures of 4-4,5 billion dollars.
                    Comparable figures, albeit a little more expensive.
                    given their salaries, especially.
              3. Greenwood
                Greenwood 21 June 2020 13: 27
                0
                As I understand it, this was the main phrase in your entire message:
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                in the USA they will pile in pants, and the countries of South America and Cuba will see that there is another force in the world, besides the USA.
                Of course, the United States with its 11 nuclear carriers (and 2 more under construction) will pile in their pants when they see a smoking 30-year-old veteran of the perestroika era without the AUG. Well, would you still mention China or even India. Funny, honestly.
          2. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 14: 48
            -2
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            this is an airfield that we can move to the shores of any country ... even such as the United States.


            Are you fucking serious?
            Why do you need Kuzya off the coast of America?
        5. Titus_2
          Titus_2 20 June 2020 13: 32
          +1
          Well then what do you suggest .... what are the options according to the most optimistic forecasts if something new is to be built 10-12 years old is also a question of where to build and another question is there a project of what to build? There is no alternative so far and we hope that there will be no progress on the deadline.
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 June 2020 14: 56
            +2
            You can build on the Kerch "Zaliv" - there the slipways and the dock allow. After 4 - 5 years, you can lay, after launching the second UDC. Just the shipbuilding competence will catch up. There, in due time, and not of such a displacement, ships were built.
            There are projects - a few to choose from, but it is more reasonable to build an average displacement of 45 - 50 thousand tons, with a catapult and 2 - 4 AWACS aircraft on board. Just like an air defense carrier.
            At the second stage, you can take on nuclear power plants, but it is better to do this at Zvezda in Bolshoy Kamen, and not earlier than 8-10 years later - the plant has not yet been completed and has not accumulated the necessary competencies for such a complex order. Yes, and civil orders from "Zvezda" to the eyeballs.
            And it would be smarter to drag "Kuzyu" by tugs to "Zaliv" and repair it there - there is a dock, the capacity is sufficient, the climate does not interfere. But apparently there are problems with the passage of the straits on the tow of such a colossus - there are currents there, the Turks may disagree.
          2. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 20 June 2020 15: 05
            +1
            Russia has already demonstrated once by redesigning the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier into the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.

            Certainly. This alone took 8 years of work and at least $ 1.5 billion (together with the air group and the simulator, the price tag there jumped to almost 5 billion). It is unlikely that the rework of "Kuznetsov" will cost much less and will be much faster.
            250 million rubles is NOTHING,

            Absolutely agree. Serious repairs and upgrades are completely different numbers. You can only paint it for the announced amount.
            Have you heard anything about the MiG-29K / KUB ?! And about the new MiG-35 ?!

            I heard, of course. Especially about the 35th, the use of which they cannot come up with intelligible. Well, ok, there will be "power" from 20 MiG-29K / KUB. And in parallel, we will launch the production of a small-scale branch of the shipborne MiG-35. Those. spend at least another billion $?
            There is a huge difference between "Thread" and a real aircraft carrier.

            I agree. But only if the aircraft carrier regularly goes to sea, and does not defend after each trip for several years in repair.
            To demonstrate the possibilities.

            Well, the Syrian campaign demonstrated them well.
            Guys will see Cuba, in the USA they will pile in their pants,

            Honestly, it will be cheaper for guys to buy a charter for everyone in Cuba. Americans if heaped, then perhaps out of laughter.
            Do you seriously believe that for the sake of this it costs 8 years to repair an old and unsuccessful ship, to spend at least $ 3 billion?
            I repeat, it is necessary to develop marine drones - there will be much more benefits. And not to catch the day before yesterday. Yes, it is better in the end to build a couple of "Ash" or to extend the series of frigates.
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 23
              -2
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              Honestly, it will be cheaper for guys to buy a charter for everyone in Cuba. Americans if heaped, then perhaps out of laughter.


              good
        6. Vladislav_2
          Vladislav_2 21 June 2020 00: 22
          -1
          make out of it a "target in the sea-ocean" and work out missiles on it (not lower than the waterline))) .... the test run will work !!! .... (minus) ... but for THIS money (tax from each of us) you can build a new TAKR !!!
      2. WILL
        WILL 20 June 2020 11: 42
        +8
        Well, what other options are there? Russia cannot afford to lose the only Aircraft Carrier Cruiser. This is, first of all, the School desk, for the training of Pilots and a visual aid for aircraft designers, shipbuilders and Ship designers.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 June 2020 11: 51
          +9
          Quote: ANIMAL
          visual material

          "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid of indecency, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair. For "Admiral Kuznetsov" it is necessary to build the infrastructure: a separate boiler room and a separate substation, a turbo-compressor shop, a large high crane on the quay, an entrance for at least large-sized wheeled vehicles, or even for railway. And all this taking into account its draft. And all this is inside the naval base. None of this is being built + Achtung was added with the construction of a dry dock after the flooding of PD-50.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 20 June 2020 12: 00
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan

            "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair.


            What is the conclusion?
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 20 June 2020 12: 30
              12
              Conclusion: first you need infrastructure for the ship, without it, it will rot at the pier.
              1. Grits
                Grits 20 June 2020 13: 01
                +9
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                Conclusion: first you need infrastructure for the ship, without it it will rot at

                And most importantly, there is a rich experience of such decay. The Far East saw how the Minsk and Novorossiysk TAKRs were successfully killing their resource in the Strelok Bay in the roadstead. And the slow death of SSV-33 "Ural" personally observed from its side. And all this is due to the lack of a proper base infrastructure.
            2. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 25
              -3
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              What is the conclusion?

              Do you remember the phrase for this frame?
              laughing
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 20 June 2020 13: 36
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity, which can be turned into a ship without having the infrastructure for its basing and adequate ship repair.

            and the work of super-managers who are assigned strategic objects (floating dock). Due to the fault of the dock, he must also reimburse the cost of repair.
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            For "Admiral Kuznetsov" it is necessary to build the infrastructure: a separate boiler room and a separate substation, a turbo-compressor shop, a large high crane on the quay, an entrance for at least large-sized wheeled vehicles, or even for railway.

            unquestionably
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            None of this is being built

            Unfortunately
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 20 June 2020 15: 52
              +2
              Due to the fault of the dock, he must also reimburse the cost of repair.

              Quite right, let Rosneft, which saved on the emergency diesel generator, repair the ship using its own funds. She has a lot of them.
          3. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 20 June 2020 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a visual aid to obscenity
            rather, it’s a visual aid precisely of indecency, that is, the battleships built by Gorshkov at the expense of the people were not needed for their vanity, and the USSR was destroyed by this squandering, all of Kuzi’s sisters didn’t even have a berth, they stood on a barrel and quickly died, and Kuze still very lucky, he even found a pier at the factory ....
        2. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 20 June 2020 17: 47
          0
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Russia cannot afford to lose the only Aircraft Carrier Cruiser.

          If this happens, the flashes from the burning chairs of the "expert" community will be visible from Mars. lol
          Not to mention much more significant consequences ...
      3. pereselenec
        pereselenec 20 June 2020 16: 11
        +2
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        deck aviation to be! Kuzyu look forward to!


        URA! URA! URA!
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 June 2020 19: 57
        0
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        carrier-based aviation to be!

        This slogan was relevant about 20 years ago, when it was necessary not to cut a tail like a cat in parts, but to make one serious thorough repair. And now, Kuzya is cooling more at the docks than going to the BZ.
        The question is whether we need aircraft carriers are very controversial. To build a full-fledged aircraft carrier with an air wing, at least in 70 aircraft, we need a minimum of 15 years, money of at least 5-6 American raccoons (and so as not to plunder, which is not realistic in principle), specialists, and a lot of hemorrhoids with suppliers and contractors . As a result, in 20 years (taking into account sea trials, state tests, etc.) we will receive our first aircraft carrier. But the only question is, in 20 years they will be as relevant as they are now?
        Moreover, speaking specifically about our fleets, we need at least 5 aircraft carriers. Now ask yourself if our economy will not be protected from such costs, and industry from the fact that the experience of building aircraft carriers was lost 20 years ago?
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        Kuzyu look forward to!

        Or maybe it's time to tie up with these half measures and redecorations of a half-dead aircraft carrier? Maybe it’s time to concentrate money and intellectual potential in order to completely nullify the advantage of the United States in AUG, developing cheaper (compared to an aircraft carrier) and long-range weapons of destruction? No?
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 June 2020 11: 42
      -7
      Kuzya is a memorial to the Great Soviet Epoch and he is already ashamed to live without this era, because they continue to scoff at him, writing off huge amounts of money on him, without any visible result.
    3. knn54
      knn54 20 June 2020 11: 49
      +1
      - The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself has not been concluded, but according to the terms of reference, it must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.
      Taking off my hat.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 June 2020 11: 56
        +9
        Quote: knn54
        according to the statement of work, he must complete all work before August 31, 2022. The contract expires on November 30, 2022.
        Taking off my hat.

        And what is wrong?
    4. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 20 June 2020 11: 57
      +2
      The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.
      It seems that this is a payment for the installation and cleaning of forests with the painting of one starboard side! Plus repair of hull structures and superstructures! And that seems to be the whole repair! In general, redecorating one side and superstructure !? The propulsion system and weapons systems are in excellent condition !?
      1. Laksamana besar
        Laksamana besar 20 June 2020 12: 49
        10
        It’s just a contract for these works, and not for repairs in general.
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 20 June 2020 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        In general, redecorating one side and superstructure !?

        oh, I understand ..... it can now be put on the starboard side to the television cameras for parades, and the barrel is already ready
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 June 2020 21: 43
        +3
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        The propulsion system and weapon systems are in excellent condition !?

        It is ONLY about eliminating the consequences of a fire. The rest is repair and modernization - about 60 billion rubles were allocated for them
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 June 2020 12: 51
      -2
      Well, then they scared hundreds of billions of rubles for repairs, as if they decided to make the deck in the hand with a thickness of platinum, at least!
    6. cormorant
      cormorant 20 June 2020 21: 29
      +1
      1 million bargained, then they will add 100 million, for the first time chtol. Like the ruble fell, hidden work, etc., find how to wind. Since 2017, repairs are underway and another 2 years at least. Well, what can be repaired over the years !!! Drive it away to the Chinese, they will make it in a month like new ..
  2. imobile2008
    imobile2008 20 June 2020 11: 33
    +2
    The final cost of repairing the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in the Russian fleet "Admiral Kuznetsov" has been determined
    What a rant! The author does not seem to live in Russia. It’s clear that this is the cost for 2020, it will be further adjusted, contractors will change, switchmen will land (not exactly about switchmen)
  3. iouris
    iouris 20 June 2020 11: 36
    -4
    And it will be a high-quality "European-quality" renovation. And lope buit cost the rise and "commissioning" of the sunken dock?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 June 2020 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      A lope buit cost the rise and "commissioning" of the sunken dock?

      They will not lift the dock. No one needs it.
  4. Nikolay Dyaglev
    Nikolay Dyaglev 20 June 2020 11: 39
    -5
    Maybe you should not revive this zombie? Let him sleep peacefully)))
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 20 June 2020 11: 52
    +3
    This cruiser is needed as a training one, it’s time to build a new generation aircraft carrier, along with the aircraft wing naturally .....
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 June 2020 11: 53
      -5
      Quote: Alien From
      This cruiser is needed

      Every whim for your money!
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 20 June 2020 11: 54
        +2
        So almost everyone pays taxes ...
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich
          Ravil_Asnafovich 20 June 2020 12: 43
          -1
          And the oligarchs too? The whole country knows where they pay them.
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 20 June 2020 12: 57
            0
            This is one of the main troubles of our country ..... ((
    2. Prahlad
      Prahlad 20 June 2020 13: 19
      -3
      To build a stand on the ground of concrete, no billions are needed. There is no sense in swelling into a virtual corpse
    3. alone
      alone 20 June 2020 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      This cruiser is needed as a training one, it’s time to build a new generation aircraft carrier, along with the aircraft wing naturally .....

      First you need a dry dock to build a ship of this size, and then build an aircraft carrier and an aircraft wing
    4. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 32
      -1
      Quote: Alien From
      This cruiser is needed as a training one,

      how is the target?)
  6. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 June 2020 11: 59
    -4
    They will strongly marry a contract agreement, even if you don’t go to your grandmother, it’s not even a launch site, but still.
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 June 2020 12: 02
    -1
    I am only concerned about two circumstances, the main of which:
    WILL THE “ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV” AFTER REPAIR BY AN EXISTING FULL-WEIGHT BATTLE UNIT AND BE ABLE TO MEET ITS PURPOSE?
    Let's hope for the best...
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  9. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 20 June 2020 12: 13
    -5
    Quaye is in good shape, our entire defense industry.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 20 June 2020 12: 28
      +2
      250 million rubles for the state is so little ... there is nothing about the tone of the conversation.
  10. Mouse
    Mouse 20 June 2020 12: 30
    +1
    The name of the contractor company is still unknown, the contract itself is not concluded

    To prematurely judge something .... IMHO
  11. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 June 2020 12: 38
    -2
    Minus one, yes, I’m talking to you, remember, when the repair budget is too high, then don’t say that I’ve gotten into hi .
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 15: 46
      +5
      When you make repairs in an apartment, do you always fit into the initial estimate? I personally have never fit in, always in real life towards the upside.
  12. Professor
    Professor 20 June 2020 12: 39
    -5
    According to the portal, only one contractor announced the tender for the repair of an aircraft carrier announced in early May, which offered to make repairs for a maximum amount of 252,5 million rubles, but according to the results of the pre-contract negotiations, it was reduced to 251,4 million rubles.

    No options. $ 36 lyam for such a repair amount is a lie. Or they will not repair it. or it will cost 7-10 times more expensive.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 June 2020 12: 49
      +3
      The publication says that this amount is allocated for partial painting of the cruiser.
      The list of work that the contractor must perform includes cleaning the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and painting it (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.
    2. Avior
      Avior 20 June 2020 12: 59
      +8
      the article gives the impression that this is the total cost of repairing the ship
      in fact, we are talking about one area of ​​repair work, far from the most costly
      cleaning of the ship's superstructure on the starboard side and its painting (a little more than 2 thousand square meters). It is also necessary to repair the body structures of the superstructure. It is specified that scaffolding will be installed and then the contractor will clean them.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 June 2020 13: 34
      0
      Quote: Professor
      No options. $ 36 lyam for this amount of repair

      To paint the port side? Do not worry, then the right side will need to be painted.
    4. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 20 June 2020 14: 35
      +2
      3,6 lyama actually !!!! bad with professors ...
  13. Normal
    Normal 20 June 2020 12: 41
    -5
    How cleverly, for the average ear, the article is titled. Feel the difference as they say - 250 million rubles and a quarter of a billion. Latently, an excuse is being created for the "howling" of liberalism, they say, but what about the old people, the roads are well and further along the training manual to the end.
  14. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 20 June 2020 13: 03
    -2
    Repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will cost a little more than a quarter billion rubles

    They will certainly be repaired, if during the repair process they do not burn at all or drown to hell. It's like a sport for "contractors".
    This is the amers - "to save Private Ryan." We have a different movie - "finishing off Admiral Kuznetsov."
    I would like to know what are the risks of contractors seeking the only Russian TavKR?
  15. Asad
    Asad 20 June 2020 13: 12
    0
    Have you already corrected the consequences of the fire? Maybe missed the news?
  16. zenion
    zenion 20 June 2020 13: 23
    0
    Two hundred and fifty million is nonsense. But a quarter of a billion is a figure. And if you translate into trillions, or light years, the back of the head will itch.
  17. Andrey1903
    Andrey1903 20 June 2020 13: 31
    -2
    Another money laundering.
  18. Double major
    Double major 20 June 2020 13: 42
    0
    And what? Free cheese only in a mousetrap. Napoleon Bonapard: "A people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's." The main thing is to do it efficiently.
    1. 30143
      30143 20 June 2020 16: 41
      +2
      We all drink, but the fleet will not be dishonored!
  19. Clone
    Clone 20 June 2020 14: 32
    +1
    Purely into space ... Money has begun to count. Well, more of a certain amount of kopecks will be mine. But then the thought immediately arises - how many tanks, airplanes, for something else, but very necessary for defense, could be built-repaired for a pittance that was simply swollen into a famous temple? Someone's vanity, we will not name names, tickled ... And then?
  20. Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 14: 58
    0
    Not "repairs will cost", but the first stage.
  21. regdan
    regdan 20 June 2020 15: 04
    0
    Again, kickback kickbacks will begin. Well, maybe there will be some kind of fire and you can again ask for money.
  22. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 June 2020 15: 15
    -2
    Kuzya will die.
  23. mag nit
    mag nit 20 June 2020 16: 37
    -4
    If again the crane does not fall ...
  24. 30143
    30143 20 June 2020 16: 39
    +2
    A joke came to mind.
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed a contract for painting the cruiser Ukraine with Rabinovich.
    Come to take work. And the ship is painted on one side.
    Representative of Moscow Region, type, the contract is not executed.
    But Rabinovich opens the agreement and reads - the agreement was drawn up by Rabinovich on the one hand and the Defense Ministry on the other. I, says, painted my half.
    What is it for me?
    It seems that Kuzya turned into a double cow for cutting dough.
    Has anyone seen damage? Secrecy. And for those who want to say something, you can throw a million and shut up.
  25. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 20 June 2020 16: 54
    +1
    It may be more profitable just to park as a training airfield.
  26. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 20 June 2020 17: 58
    +1
    Quote: bayard
    A KUG air defense than to provide?

    why provide "air defense kug," if such kug simply does not exist in nature ... well, don't you think that kug is the only combat-ready old cruiser Ustinov (forever munched in the Mediterranean) frigate and three old BODs to boot? and this is the entire "strongest" northern fleet, except for boats and MPK and MRK
  27. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 21 June 2020 00: 31
    +1
    it is entirely possible that we will not see our aircraft carrier anymore
  28. pin_code
    pin_code 21 June 2020 08: 24
    0
    The cruiser is needed, definitely. At least in order to save the shots of both sailors and pilots. And for those who want to cut into needles, I can say, avaricious pays twice. you can save now 250 million, and tomorrow spend billions only on training the crew of the ship and the flight component.
  29. Reviews
    Reviews 21 June 2020 15: 24
    0
    Quote: Vasyan1971

    Like one milon bargained? Cool! I respect

    "Who bought an apartment - a baseball cap as a gift!"