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What happened to the Russian economy since the beginning of 2020: events and indicators

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The first half of 2020 was a very difficult period for Russia in social and economic terms. There are several reasons for this, and it will take a long time to recover the economy on a previous scale.


Drop in oil prices and coronavirus


At the very beginning of 2020, the main event for the Russian economy was the fall in oil prices, which was the result of a sharp decline in demand for "black gold" from such key players in the world market as China, the United States and European Union countries.

In the first months of 2020, China struggled with the spread of coronavirus, and therefore reduced the volume of transportation and production. Then came the turn of Europe and the United States. The failure of the agreement with the Saudis led to a further collapse in oil prices and to a fall in the Russian currency: the price of the euro and the dollar in a certain period soared by 15-20 rubles.

The next sad event for the country's economy was the introduction of a day off in April 2020, which was associated with the need to counteract the spread of coronavirus. For the first time in the latest stories the pandemic led to the deliberate (by decision of almost all governments) suspension of most sectors of the economy.

In fact, during the peak of quarantine measures, only strategically important (fuel and energy, defense, communications, etc.) and vital (agro-industrial complex, food and drug trade) industries worked. The remaining segments of the economy were in a deplorable position.

Tourism, hotel business and public catering, the beauty industry, and transport suffered severe losses, many enterprises in these industries have not yet recovered. Naturally, the current situation affected the employment of the population and its income: unemployment increased, many citizens employed in the most affected sectors lost income. This, in turn, was reflected in consumer demand: for the most part, people buy the most necessary and less expensive. The segment of shadow services has also grown.

Bank lowers key rate


At the same time, if we talk about indicators of economic growth, of the major global economies, only the American and Russian in the first quarter of 2020 still showed even minimal, but still growth. The American economy grew by 0,3%, the Russian - by 1,6%. You can compare with the Chinese economy, which declined over these months (-6,8%), and this is the first time in three decades. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicts a general decline in world GDP by 3%, and Russia's GDP by 5,5%.


On June 19, the Bank of Russia nevertheless went to reduce the key rate to 4,5%. The main reason for reducing the key rate is the desire to keep inflation at around 4% in 2020. Such measures have been taken due to the fact that in the second quarter of 2020, GDP is expected to fall by 8%. The head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina believes that Russia's GDP will only be able to return to the level of the end of 2022 only by the first half of 2019, the consequences of the pandemic turned out to be so widespread for the economy.

The general forecast of the Bank of Russia is disappointing: in 2020, the economy may contract by 4-6%. The reduction in the key rate will inevitably lead to changes in the credit policy of banks. Already, banks have begun to take a closer look at the analysis of the situation of borrowers, setting more stringent requirements.

The situation in the Russian economy for Military Review was commented by Ekaterina Dontsova, Operations Director of Backit cashback service and ePN Affiliate affiliate network:

A “hard landing” was predicted to the Russian economy last year, when GDP growth for the year froze at around 1.6%, the rate of retail lending slowed, sales of commercial and personal cars slowed down. At the beginning of 2020, experts saw the growth potential in the implementation of national projects, but at the beginning of the year their indicators froze. But it is not all that bad. So, our e-commerce segment will continue to grow steadily. The speed taken this year is already called cruising. Projected growth is from $ 400 million to $ 3,1 billion in 2021.

It is difficult to disagree with the expert that the current situation has rather productively affected the ongoing digitalization of the business, the transition to telecommuting and electronic document management. But many areas of the economy cannot be fully digitalized, factory workers cannot be transferred to a remote site. Therefore, at least some business segments will increase incomes, they will inevitably ask others, which has already affected the situation of citizens and will subsequently affect even more.

Of course, the government, on behalf of Vladimir Putin, tried to prevent social collapse, including through urgent measures to financially support families with children, the unemployed, and the poor, but many experts note the impossibility of covering those losses that millions of Russians suffered in these allowances and additional payments. self-isolation time.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 20 June 2020 09: 07
    31
    What happened ... Nothing good. The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 June 2020 09: 14
      23
      Oil and gas at the bill .... Sechin and Miller.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 20 June 2020 09: 22
        22
        What happened to the Russian economy since the beginning of 2020

        What can happen to what is not? recourse
        1. knn54
          knn54 20 June 2020 09: 38
          27
          - The segment of shadow services has also grown.
          Which economy can withstand such theft and corruption?
          1. depressant
            depressant 20 June 2020 10: 21
            21
            But they will eradicate petty corruption in order to maintain the inviolability of the major.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: knn54
            Which economy can withstand such theft and corruption?

            theft does not fit the definition of kickbacks, etc. .... and corruption is probably the antonym of repression?
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 20 June 2020 09: 47
          27
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          What can happen to what is not?

          Quote: knn54
          Which economy can withstand such theft and corruption?

          Hallelujah!!! Really even it began to reach Zupupintsy that everything was stolen from them together with the economy and the future as well. belay
          1. Altona
            Altona 20 June 2020 10: 27
            25
            Quote: Malyuta
            Hallelujah!!! Really even it began to reach Zupupintsy that everything was stolen from them together with the economy and the future as well.

            -----------------------------
            Zaputintsy are the most bespontovy people, usually living on passive income, or rather a pension. And for their "pension" they are ready to bite anyone. As the chief engineer of an agricultural machinery plant, everything is fine with me, sales have doubled compared to last year. And that China was covered only for 2 months, and if China were covered for a year, then probably half of the industry would have sighed and gained wings.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 20 June 2020 12: 22
              19
              I want to recall how the collapse of the economy in the country began. With the opening of the Russian market for foreign manufacturers.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 20 June 2020 14: 14
                -12 qualifying.
                Quote: 210ox
                I want to recall how the collapse of the economy in the country began. With the opening of the Russian market for foreign manufacturers.

                ))))))) Where do you see the crash? And if that, then generally in the USSR were goods of foreign manufacturers.
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 20 June 2020 14: 47
                  +6
                  Where do i see ?? Do not you see? 90s. And the beginning of the two thousandth ..
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 22 June 2020 14: 07
                    0
                    Quote: 210ox
                    Where do i see ?? Do not you see? 90s. And the beginning of the two thousandth ..

                    Well, the 90s was, but in the 00s where did you see him? And it's not about opening up the market. If the products manufactured in the country are competitive, then if the market is open this will not affect the production of products within the country. And according to your logic, in the USSR they did not produce high-quality products; therefore, they did not withstand competition from the West. And the collapse of the economy in the 90s was for completely different reasons.
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: CSKA
                  then in the USSR were goods of foreign manufacturers.

                  these goods were enough only as a role model. And only the best came. What is now on the shelves is dumping.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 22 June 2020 14: 10
                    0
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    these goods were enough only as a role model.

                    What kind of goods are these?))))
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    And only the best came

                    The fact remains that foreign products were in the USSR.
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    What is now on the shelves is dumping.

                    )))) Are you sure? In general, dumping is the sale of goods and services at artificially low prices. Dumping prices are significantly lower than market prices, and sometimes even lower than the cost of goods or services. Is it that we sell foreign at low prices?
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 22 June 2020 15: 12
                      0
                      Quote: CSKA
                      Dumping - the sale of goods and services at artificially low prices.

                      damp - dump, a lot of garbage (eng) according to the rules of the European Union. If the meat is not sold within 3 months, it is prohibited for sale in the European Union, and is called a dumped product.
                      Jeans (branded), Adidas tracksuits and sneakers, imported sheepskin coats, which were technologically better than Soviet ones, fell into the USSR. Some toys, Japanese tape recorders were very popular ... That is why there was a belief in a better life in the West.
                3. hydrox
                  hydrox 23 June 2020 13: 53
                  +1
                  Do not disgrace!
                  The Union had a decision-making economy and a dual-circuit monetary system in which financial resources from productive systems could not get into the consumer sectors.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 23 June 2020 17: 00
                    -4
                    Quote: hydrox
                    The Union had a decision-making economy and a dual-circuit monetary system in which financial resources from productive systems could not get into the consumer sectors.

                    And how does this relate to:
                    Quote: CSKA
                    in the USSR were goods of foreign manufacturers.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 14
                      0
                      I would be ashamed of myself if at least someone had seen (heard) that I would answer SUCH questions :: USE in Russia must be uprooted together with its carriers - and these will NOT be philosophical steamers, they will be packed with products unsuitable for use in no earthly civilization ..
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              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 21
                -12 qualifying.
                Because, for the most part, their civilian stuff was released - and everyone in the USSR was chasing foreign products as scalded, only the offer was minimal. The planned economy is skewed on the military-industrial complex, the lack of competition, and the shortage of materials have done their job. Che now complain then.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 23 June 2020 10: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The planned economy is skewed on the defense industry, the lack of competition,

                  do not please, the inability to lead the country called the lack of competition !!
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 23 June 2020 13: 59
                    +1
                    This is simple illiteracy: nowhere in the world there is a purely market economy, except for Russia (only in Russia it is also a thief, but half criminal!), The rest have long been using the experience of the Union and they plan PLAN to some extent !.
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 23 June 2020 17: 06
                      -3
                      Quote: hydrox
                      nowhere in the world there is a purely market economy, except for Russia

                      ))))) Laughing out loud. Is it not pure market economies in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan? But do not tell how it is in a clean market economy there are state corporations?
                      Quote: hydrox
                      only in Russia she’s also a thief, but half criminal!)

                      Now the gag has gone. What does that even mean? Is there corruption in the Russian Federation? And in which countries does it not? And what does criminal mean?
                      Quote: hydrox
                      the rest have long been using the experience of the Union, and the PLAN is to one degree or another PLANNING !.

                      Comrade stop laughing. What are you talking about? What is the experience of the Union? Such a great experience in the economy, that the country has already collapsed. A planned economy now exists only in the DPRK and Cuba. In many others, it is mixed, where the state partially regulates the market. Have you ever heard that in any country there would be a ministry or a state plan?
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 19
                        0
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Comrade stop laughing.

                        I am not a liberde, and I will never get into it.
                      2. CSKA
                        CSKA 24 June 2020 11: 43
                        0
                        Quote: hydrox
                        I am not a liberde, and I will never get into it.

                        ))))) Well, as I thought there is nothing to answer. And if I’m generally a conservative, but you don’t care. With your level of knowledge in economics, protectionism in economics and free markets are one and the same. Read at least what conservatism is in the economy, and what is a liberal economy.
            2. adler87
              adler87 21 June 2020 08: 33
              0
              And that’s why we don’t have Lada KrAZ. And we can wear jeans to taste and color
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 22
                0
                And most importantly, by smell :: African American jeans smell much tastier and more attractive than freshly sewn Vietnamese! laughing laughing laughing
                1. adler87
                  adler87 25 June 2020 08: 04
                  0
                  Well, everyone has their own jeans. Someone obviously wears a torn "Tver", and in a Chinese smartphone fills words with smelly
          2. businessv
            businessv 20 June 2020 22: 04
            +7
            Quote: Altona
            And this China was covered only for 3 months, and if China had been covered for a year, then probably half of the industry would have sighed and gained wings.
            And please tell me how competitive our technology is in relation to Chinese, as well as price / quality. I’m not ironic, in fact, the info from the pro is very interesting!
          3. BecmepH
            BecmepH 21 June 2020 15: 26
            -4
            Quote: Altona
            And for their "pension" they are ready to bite anyone.

            And you do not hope to live to retirement? Poor thing ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 24
              0
              Quote: BecmepH
              And you do not hope to live to retirement? Poor thing ...

              But they will not bite him, he will simply die from anger, envy and spill of bile ...
        3. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 20 June 2020 12: 01
          -28 qualifying.
          Quote: Malyuta
          Hallelujah!!! Really even it began to reach Zupupintsy that everything was stolen from them together with the economy and the future as well.

          They stole everything from us, along with the economy - in the distant 90s. And what was destroyed in an instant will have to be restored for many more years! Putin, unlike Yeltsin and his team, is at least trying to do something! But it is difficult to build something if almost the whole world is up in arms against you! And the West insolently does not accept fair competition with us, but tries to prevent Russia from establishing its economy by sanctions on everything and everyone. It got to the point of absurdity: the United States imposes sanctions on its partners so that they do not participate in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline!
          But no matter how different Malyuta Skuratovs rejoiced, Putin will achieve his goal anyway and put the country on an economic footing. Well, there, I think, everything will go as it should, even if a completely different person stands at the helm!
          1. Grading
            Grading 20 June 2020 12: 34
            12
            That is, 20 years was not enough for oriental studies after the 90s, then voice how many more 20, 30 years remain?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 25
              -21 qualifying.
              I advise you to return to the data of 2000 and study the economic, political and other events until 2020, and at the same time find out where and on what the money was spent and what problems were during all this time - so as not to write "And what was not enough for 20 years"
              1. Grading
                Grading 20 June 2020 15: 42
                13
                Are you raving?
                China


                Singapore

                And how did they do it? And what does it have without oil and gas revenues! We had extra profits from raw materials. What did we do with them? How was the promise to get off the needle? And how have we developed science and education over the years?
                As for corruption, Lee Kuan Yew on the difficult temptations of power: “I had two ways. First: steal and put friends and relatives on the Forbes lists, while leaving their people on bare ground. Second: it is to serve your people and bring the country to the top ten best countries in the world. I chose the second ...
                Start by planting your three friends. You know exactly what, and they know why.

                In the Forbes Global 2000 list for 2018, among the 2000 largest public companies in the world, 15 were Singaporean [27]: DBS Group (228), Oversea-Chinese Banking Corporation (284), United Overseas Bank (311), SingTel (354), Wilmar International (456), CapitaLand (931), Singapore Airlines (1119), Flextronics International (1176), Olam International (1326), Keppel Corporation (1634), China Aviation Oil (1734), UOL Group (1858), Frasers Centrepoint (1920 ), Fraser & Neave (1938), Sembcorp Industries (1971).
                And we have a negative growth!
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 20 June 2020 20: 23
                  -21 qualifying.
                  What do you compare market economies that have never known a crisis of hopping from planned to market like in Russia. What was probably spent on oil and gas revenues on paying off the debts of the USSR and the 90s and on everything else in the country, including the army.
                  1. Grading
                    Grading 21 June 2020 08: 58
                    +2
                    Break away from your Kremlin training manual what do you think the economy was in China?
                  2. 30143
                    30143 21 June 2020 17: 25
                    0
                    The UAE, Dubai since 1969 have evolved so that the Russian Federation has never dreamed of. And the oil is over. Her reserves were 40 years old.
                    And 40 years ago they wiped the ass with palm leaves.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 34
                      0
                      Quote: 30143
                      And 40 years ago they wiped the ass with palm leaves.

                      What rich knowledge you have - sympathize.
                      But what has changed for Russia?
                    2. 30143
                      30143 23 June 2020 19: 36
                      0
                      They have progress, and we have regression. It is, to say the least.
                2. Sofa
                  Sofa 22 June 2020 08: 52
                  +3
                  In the 2000s, the economy grew at the expense of oil and gas revenues, oil reached $ 130 per barrel
              2. businessv
                businessv 20 June 2020 22: 14
                +5
                Quote: Grading
                And how have we developed science and education over the years?
                You have a typo, colleague - not "developed", but "ruined"! Well, about Lee Kuan Yew - this is a separate, but very wonderful and sad story, because it's true about friends, but about an unprecedented economic growth, it's also true!
              3. businessv
                businessv 21 June 2020 14: 10
                0
                Quote: Grading
                Are you raving China
                The graph is good, only you had to say that services account for 74% of the minke whales' GDP, i.e. virtual, not real goods, unlike the celestial! Most of the production, from the striped companies, is located in China, which infuriates Trump. You also did not say that the states owe the whole world 23 trillion greens, which is 96,1% of GDP. This is not a reason for default, but it may happen that countries simply get tired of feeding them.
                1. Grading
                  Grading 21 June 2020 14: 47
                  -1
                  Tie up with Kremlin-trained manuals, they haven’t brought anyone to mind!
                  The service sector includes a wide range of industries, which are usually divided into three groups: consumer (education, healthcare, social assistance, tourism, culture, etc.), serving the interaction of economic agents and public administration services, security and law enforcement. Since 2005, Russia has been classifying the types of economic activities in accordance with international standards, which distinguishes nine types of services:

                  Wholesale and retail trade, repair.
                  Hotels and restaurants.
                  Transport and communications.
                  Financial activities.
                  Real estate operations, rental and provision of services.
                  Public administration and military security, compulsory social security.
                  Education.
                  Health and social services.
                  The provision of other utility, social and personal services.
                  The service sector plays a leading role in the global economy and is developing most dynamically. In developed countries, the share of services in GDP reaches 65–75%, and in employment - over 70%. The share of services in Russia's GDP from 1990 to 2013 increased from 32,6% to 69%. According to the dynamics, the volume of paid services per capita in the country from 2001 to 2014 increased in price terms by 88,4%. The industry classification shows that in 2014 trade and other types of services had the largest share both in the sectoral structure of the sphere (40 and 25%) and in the structure of employment (28,5 and 27,8%).

                  The share of services in China's gross domestic product in 2013 for the first time exceeded the share of industrial production, and the share of agriculture fell to 10%, according to Bloomberg, compiled on the basis of information from the National Bureau of Statistics of the PRC. Sectors of the economy, such as real estate, retail, and finance, accounted for 46% of China's GDP last year, while industrial production contributed to 44% of GDP.

                  In 1996, the industrial sector accounted for 48% of GDP, and the services sector - 33%. The contribution of agriculture to the economy during this time was halved - up to 10%.

                  "The increase in the share of services in the Chinese economy is an irreversible process, it will continue to grow," said Cheng Xingdong, chief economist for China at BNP Paribas SA. According to him, "the days when everything was made in China are over,"
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 22 June 2020 11: 10
                    -1
                    Quote: Grading
                    Chief Economist for China at BNP Paribas SA Cheng Xingdong. "The days when everything was made in China are over," he said.

                    You wrote a poem, but my statement was not refuted. It's ridiculous about the "Kremlin training manual"! laughing But stupid! hi
                  2. Grading
                    Grading 22 June 2020 17: 01
                    0
                    Not refuted than that the share of services in developed economies including the United States exceeds the share of industry? If you see factory pipes from the window, then you live in the country of 3 worlds. No more strength in metal swimming trunks wink Technology is much more expensive. In 2019, the global market for information and communication technologies (ICT) reached $ 3,74 trillion, an increase of 0,5% compared to 2018. Such data on January 15, 2020 resulted in the analytical company Gartner.

                    According to experts, the annual cost of IT services for the first time in history exceeded $ 1 trillion and amounted to $ 1,03 trillion. This segment showed a growth of 3,6%, which was almost the best dynamics among all ICT categories. According to a Gartner survey, 46% of organizations say that IT services and vendor consolidation are among the three most effective cost optimization methods.
                    Largest ICT Market Segments, Gartner Data
                    The strongest of all - by 8,5% to $ 456 billion - in 2019 annual sales of corporate software increased. According to Gartner Vice President of Research John-David Lovelock, almost all business software market segments are growing driven by SaaS solutions.
                  3. businessv
                    businessv 22 June 2020 18: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Grading
                    Technology is much more expensive. In 2019, the global market for information and communication technologies (ICT) reached $ 3,74 trillion, an increase of 0,5% compared to 2018.

                    So what? In order to promote information and communication do not need material products? If you do not see the factory chimneys from the window, this does not mean that you live in the most technologically advanced country! This means that everything you need is delivered to you from a truly technologically advanced country that does not depend on imports and people in which work at their enterprises, and do not go to earn money over a hill! You wrote a cheer post that you don’t need to produce anything, you need to deal with advanced technologies, including ICT, but you haven’t highlighted that, for example, root DNS servers are state-controlled. By releasing the tangible products that its consumers need, the owner of the enterprise that produces these products has an effect on consumers and should not be neglected. I wrote that the service sector does not saturate a market in which there is no material production - because if there is no material, then the service market will shrink at times!
            2. BecmepH
              BecmepH 21 June 2020 15: 43
              +1
              Quote: businessv
              This is not a reason for default, but it may happen that countries simply get tired of feeding them.

              Tired of waiting ... And will we wait?
    2. Alf
      Alf 20 June 2020 21: 59
      +6
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      Putin will achieve his goal anyway and put the country on an economic footing. Well, there, I think, everything will go as it should, even if a completely different person stands at the helm!

      Where did the other come from?
      If we are talking about a strong Russia, then after Putin there will be Putin. <...> Everything that happens after President Putin will take place according to the templates that he laid down. Russia can only be strong, - said the politician in an interview with Gazeta.Ru.

      He added that the Russian Federation was lucky, as it has a “strong Putin”. The parliamentarian noted that the head of state is effectively managing his duties outlined by the Constitution. Volodin believes that the president is the "guarantor of our rights."

      In the 99th Putin said, there will be no change of course. Volodin said the same thing. That's bad...
    3. businessv
      businessv 20 June 2020 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      Putin will achieve his goal anyway and put the country on an economic footing.
      If you hadn’t written this very phrase, you wouldn’t have been thrust so many sleepers! Unfortunately, our GDP (IMHO) has already done everything that it could do. Nobody will allow him further and more, therefore it is necessary to change everything and everyone.
    4. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      Putin, unlike Yeltsin and his team, is at least trying to do something!

      he tries not to give the last: - the raw materials industry, although it is defeated there
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 22 June 2020 14: 29
        -1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        he tries not to give the last: - the raw materials industry

        What kind of raw materials industry is he trying not to give away?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 23 June 2020 14: 14
          0
          Quote: CSKA
          What kind of raw materials industry is he trying not to give away?

          maybe gas?
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 23 June 2020 17: 17
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            maybe gas?

            And someone is trying to pick her up? Gazprom sell?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 24 June 2020 06: 28
              0
              Quote: CSKA
              And someone is trying to pick her up? Gazprom sell?

              among the shareholders of Rosneft there are American companies
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 24 June 2020 12: 05
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                among the shareholders of Rosneft there are American companies

                Not. Among the shareholders of Rosneft, there is a British company BP, and it received its 20% stake because it owned a TNK, which became part of Rosneft.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 24 June 2020 12: 16
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                Not. Among the shareholders of Rosneft is the British company BP

                who cares? but in Chukotka, the Omolon campaign (which is actually Pan-American) mined in a bulbous way for many years.
              3. CSKA
                CSKA 24 June 2020 13: 47
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                who cares?

                Well, actually it's big. They are shareholders, but do not own a controlling stake and no one is going to sell it to them.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                but in Chukotka, the Omolon campaign (which is actually Pan-American) mined in a bulbous way for many years.

                )))) On Magadan. What do you mean? Do you remember what the conversation is about?
                Quote: CSKA
                What kind of raw materials industry is he trying not to give away?

                So which one? Which one was given? there is none. There are companies in some industries that are foreign or partially with foreign capital.
              4. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 24 June 2020 19: 38
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                What do you mean? Do you remember what the conversation is about?

                I witnessed how Americans and Canadians loaded gold ore with a fantastic gold content onto heavy trucks in Kubaka (a gold deposit in the Magadan Region and sent it by winter road to the sea where the ships went further to America. Individual shipments were sent by helicopters, apparently nuggets. Onion way this is when the heart of the deposit is developed, if the bulb is developed there is no sense in building a village, etc. We talked about the raw materials industries, so my question is - what do you think about the sale of Nornickel?
              5. CSKA
                CSKA 26 June 2020 09: 41
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                I witnessed how Americans and Canadians loaded gold ore with a fantastic gold content onto heavy trucks in Kubaka (a gold deposit in the Magadan Region and sent it along the winter road to the sea, where ships went further to America. Individual shipments were sent by helicopters, apparently nuggets.

                So what? They are the owners of the company. We got it, took it away. At the same time, they paid a bunch of taxes. the same as Polyus Gold or Polymetal can produce gold, pay taxes, and then sell it to anyone they want, at least the Russian Federation, at least the United States, at least the PRC.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                The onion method is when the heart of the deposit is developed, if the bulb is developed, there is no point in building a village, etc.

                Do you really need to build a plot?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                We talked about raw materials industries, so my question is - what do you think about the sale of Norilsk Nickel?

                Privatization was poorly carried out, and the amount paid was ridiculous, given the percentage of production of palladium, nickel, copper and platinum by Norilsk Nickel in the world.
              6. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 June 2020 10: 41
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                Do you really need to build a plot?

                gold mine resembles a galaxy smile center (bulb) and veins extending from it. The Soviet field development strategy is a long-term cycle of sampling veins and bulbs. A village is being built, with infrastructure, an enrichment plant, schools ..... But if a bulb is developed, then all this becomes unprofitable. Field on the Utina river - geologists scooped gold sand with buckets and did not believe their eyes ... this is the center of the deposit, they started after the war, there are still working veins. In Dukat, there is a mining and processing complex in general and 40 km nearby in Omsukchan. ZIF (gold mining factory) But Kubaka where the Americans visited (the most promising in the world as of 1993) is 120 km from Omsukchan. They will not build anything there since the bulb is worked out. The cost of the concession was ridiculous; corruption was not without it.
                By the way, are you aware that Abramovich, being the governor of Chukotka, distributed many concessions for gold mining by foreigners? while a lot of taxes were much less than heaps of gold mined judging by yachts ...
                Privatization was poorly conducted, and the amount paid was ridiculous,
                what prevents re-privatization, return ridiculous money? Why did Rusal become American?
              7. CSKA
                CSKA 26 June 2020 13: 05
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                a gold deposit resembles a galaxy center (bulb) and veins extending from it.

                Thanks for the information did not know.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                The Soviet field development strategy is a long-term cycle of sampling veins and bulbs. A village is being built, with infrastructure, an enrichment plant, schools

                And then the deposits are running out, and the infrastructure and schools that were built have to be abandoned, and the money spent on construction. And people have to leave. Isn't it easier to work on duty?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                By the way, are you aware that Abramovich, being the governor of Chukotka, distributed many concessions for gold mining by foreigners? while a lot of taxes were much less than heaps of gold mined judging by yachts ...

                )))) The governor does not have the right to give out concessions for mining, this is the prerogative of the Federal Government. As far as I know, only one Australian company produces coal.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                what prevents re-privatization, return ridiculous money?

                Firstly, this money is no longer funny. Calculate inflation for 30 years, plus how much is invested in modernization, direct and indirect costs. The amount is very impressive. One audit will take several years. Secondly, how do you imagine reprivatization? Adopting an appropriate law? And how will the letters of the law be accordingly? It turns out that they bought them at one time according to the law, and now under the new law it is not clear for what reason, because they did not violate the law, will they be taken from them?
                And this is about Norilsk Nickel. And the rest of the enterprise? For example, in the acquisition of NLMZ and Magnitogorsk MK, I do not see anything like this. Pick them up too? And imagine what will begin if the Norilsk Nickel is nationalized? The remaining owners will begin to sell their assets abroad, and foreign corporations are not so easy to take, either. One can forget about foreign investments altogether.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Why did Rusal become American?

                Oh my God. Why do you think so? Well, they never tire of remembering this myth. The controlling stake in Rusal belongs to En + Deripaska and is registered by Rusal, recently, in the Russian Federation. What kind of concept "became American" is this? What does this even mean? Does it belong to the United States? So the United States doesn't own corporations. Is it owned by a corporation in the United States? So give the name of this super-secret company.
              8. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 June 2020 14: 18
                0
                I write about what I personally know.
                Quote: CSKA
                And then the deposits are running out, and the infrastructure and schools that were built have to be abandoned

                look Omsukchan or Dukat, from the 50s there are no end to those veins. And there was talk of privatization.
                9 months of winter .. what watch? In the same Omsukchan - there is gold, silver, tin, zinc, coal, in the 90s it was like after the bombing ... now restored.
                I'm generally talking about something else ... why education is not in demand? why do I, as a candidate of science, work in my specialty as a self-employed proletarian and not in a scientific center? (I worked by the way with dog coronavirus once laughing ) Why are there practically no Russian goods in supermarkets?
                In my specialty, sometimes potassium permanganate, bleach, caustic are sometimes required - they are now only Chinese !!!
                they didn’t break the law, will they be taken from them?
                the trouble is that the military capabilities of subsoil owners are commensurate with the military capabilities of leaders of small countries, and if their interests are violated, in spite of any laws, these opportunities will be realized to one degree or another
              9. CSKA
                CSKA 26 June 2020 15: 02
                -1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                I write about what I personally know.

                So thanks for the info. I am not an expert in this.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                look Omsukchan or Dukat, from the 50s there are no end to those veins. And there was talk of privatization.

                There may have been more reserves. And who owns the mining?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                9 months of winter .. what watch?

                And what is the shift in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug? Or is it your winter is not 9 months?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                in the 90s it was like after the bombing ... now restored.

                Who restored?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                I'm generally talking about something else ... why education is not in demand?

                What do you have in mind? Has it disappeared from us? I wonder how then our students win a bunch of Olympiads in the exact sciences around the world?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                why do I, as a candidate of science, work in my specialty as a self-employed proletarian and not in a scientific center? (I used to work with dog coronavirus sometime)

                Somehow we have moved from corporations to education and your work. Well, I can’t tell you anything about that. I don’t even know what you are a PhD in.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Why are there practically no Russian goods in supermarkets?

                Are you joking? What products are missing? Almost all of our products are in products. What specifically do you mean?
                Quote: aybolyt678
                In my specialty, sometimes potassium permanganate, bleach, caustic are sometimes required - they are now only Chinese !!!

                Well, excuse everything in the world no one in the world produces. The first thing that I drove into the search engine produced:
                https://productcenter.ru/products/59764/margantsovka-44-9-10-gramm
              10. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 June 2020 17: 45
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                There may have been more reserves. And who owns the mining?

                Now the state, the reserves are huge

                Quote: CSKA
                And what is the shift in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug? Or is it your winter is not 9 months?

                Do you want to stop the mine with the Factory for the winter? smile
                Quote: CSKA
                Who restored?

                The Russian state that does not have enough money for weapons
                Quote: CSKA
                I wonder how then our students win a bunch of Olympiads in the exact sciences around the world?
                and our scientists go to China and America with their knowledge
                Quote: CSKA
                I don’t even know what you are a PhD in.

                I'm a veterinary microbiologist
                Quote: CSKA
                Almost all of our products are in products.

                Well, for example, pork lol - part of the pork not sold in Europe in 3 months is sold at dumping prices, allegedly to China, but for some reason it is slowed down in Kazakhstan. From there, block pork of allegedly "Kazakh" production comes to us, it is usually used in the production of sausages. Further, all feed additives at pig farms are usually imported, the maximum that can be ours is meat and bone meal. I somehow calculated the cost of pork, the partial share of imports in meat is 30%, including drinkers and water wash. At least 80 milk substitutes are imported, or Belarusian - you can also say import, not because RB West, but because RB processes European dumping. Agricultural goods not sold within 3 months. banned for sale in the European Union. therefore very cheap.
                Quote: CSKA
                The first thing that I drove into the search engine produced:
                I buy everything through Chemreaktiv, there is the cheapest chemical raw materials in the area. Thank you for your concern, I’ll work with your information
  • hydrox
    hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 43
    +1
    These are those that are now in state concerns: not very healthy, but not completely lost for the people: nationalization will be easy.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 24 June 2020 12: 07
      -1
      Quote: hydrox
      These are those that are now in state concerns: not very healthy, but not completely lost for the people: nationalization will be easy.

      When you write, you don’t really manage to form a thought. What is in the state concerns? What are you going to analyze there?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 24 June 2020 12: 54
        0
        It seems that you do not understand enough simple things :: I DO NOT WISH to communicate with someone in the boorish form of communication that I am offered!
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 24 June 2020 14: 40
          -1
          Quote: hydrox
          It seems that you do not understand enough simple things :: I DO NOT WISH to communicate with someone in the boorish form of communication that I am offered!

          You do not want to communicate because you have nothing to say in fact, but there was nothing boorish in my words.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 June 2020 20: 36
      0
      Quote: hydrox
      nationalization will be easy.

      HOW TO MANAGE THIS NATIONALIZED?
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 21 June 2020 15: 30
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    put the country on an economic footing

    It puts twenty years ... And Stalin eliminated the devastation in five years ..
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 48
      +1
      Stalin should not be offended by comparing the Union’s movement to rebuild the economy with the miserable fidgeting of a liberda with fights for feeding troughs
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 24 June 2020 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Stalin should not be offended by comparing the Union’s movement to rebuild the economy with the miserable fidgeting of a liberda with fights for feeding troughs

        Yes. Then I gave a blunder ...
    2. w70
      w70 26 June 2020 21: 51
      0
      Yeah, in 33, Stalin sent people with wheelbarrows and shovels to build the Belomorkanal, while in the United States such work was already done by excavators. And still our undergrowth considers Stalin a brilliant manager
  • hydrox
    hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 28
    0
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Putin will achieve his goal anyway and put the country on an economic footing.

    And who prevented him from doing anything for Russia in the economic sphere for 20 years?
    Yes, nothing and nobody interfered with him, he just didn’t want to - he was a normal normal liberal ...
  • CSKA
    CSKA 20 June 2020 14: 12
    -20 qualifying.
    Quote: Malyuta
    that everything was stolen from them along with the economy and the future including

    And who has stolen your brain, that such nonsense is carrying? There are no future for dinosaurs like you aching, but we have a future.
    1. Alf
      Alf 20 June 2020 22: 02
      +9
      Quote: CSKA
      and we have a future.

      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 31
        +3
        the scale of the personality is limited by the personal circle. Who likes limited people?
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 59
          +2
          You cited some very characteristic personal circle as an example - it gives away carrion. And it doesn’t matter that they are still alive, but there are so many dead (their photos are not printed, but there are death vibes)
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 23 June 2020 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: CSKA
        and we have a future.

        Does he really think that he is destined for a place in this wreath?
        So USEshnik what to take from him ... laughing
  • CSKA
    CSKA 20 June 2020 14: 09
    -17 qualifying.
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    What can happen to what is not?

    Well, of course. If you can’t write something smart, you need at least some kind of nonsense.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 June 2020 16: 24
      15
      You are talking nonsense. You have already been given pictures about poverty in Russia, as they are trying to explain to a schoolboy, and common sense flies from you like peas from a wall. Although you may be right, but only in one case, if you have access to the feeder, i.e. you belong to the ruling class, then yes, people like you have a future, but only while this power is alive.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 20: 30
        -21 qualifying.
        Your poverty data is empty in the 2000th year there were 60 million, and now there are officially 20 of them, and even 12 of them are working. But you didn’t hear you people for the people and for the poor in those days - and now whistle and crackle about it from any iron for populism, and in fact you and all your people are on these poor people and their number is from a high bell tower.
        1. Alf
          Alf 20 June 2020 22: 03
          14
          Quote: Vadim237
          in 2000, there were 60 million of them, and now there are officially 20 of them, and even 12 of them are working.

          Exactly, exactly ... And we also have a mass middle class with incomes of as many as 18 thousand. Putin statistics do such miracles ...
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 33
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          in 2000, there were 60 million of them, and now there are officially 20 of them, and even 12 of them are working.

          60 million minus 20 equals 40 million traveling around the north ......
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 22 June 2020 14: 23
        -3
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        You are talking nonsense.

        What are you?)))) That is, when a non-smart person writes that we do not have an economy, this is not nonsense?
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        You have already given pictures about poverty in Russia

        And what should not be poor in the country? And why is this? Every seventh in our country is poor, just like in the USA (there were much more now). And it would be necessary to determine how many of these 20 million live really on the minimum wage, and do not receive salaries in an envelope. And then I don’t have a single acquaintance who would receive a minimum wage and live on it, but acquaintances who officially receive a minimum wage, and the envelope is 5 times more complete.
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        and common sense flies from you like peas from a wall.

        Fan, where did you see common sense? What words? In this talk from a set of phrases without facts from the propaganda of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and liberds?)))))) More than once, they also argued with you. such as you are some common phrases and delusional pictures and are able to place, but as you start to press the facts so you merge.
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Although you may be right, but only in one case, if you have access to the feeder, i.e. belong to the power class

        Well, of course. In your brain whiners can not fit in any way, then, that not only those in power normally live in the country. You created your own crazy world, got bored and you continue to carry nonsense about capitalism, socialism, and people work and earn money.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 21 June 2020 11: 24
    0
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    What can happen to what is not?

    something that can’t be invented, digitized and sold using e-commerce, at cruising speed smile You can also support the global economy by selling their goods.
  • Civil
    Civil 20 June 2020 09: 52
    13
    Well, there is a positive circumstance - that he cannot die dead.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 June 2020 09: 58
      11
      Quote: Civil
      Well, there is a positive circumstance - that he cannot die dead.

      "She drowned" - Putin.
    2. Altona
      Altona 20 June 2020 10: 40
      26
      Quote: Civil
      Well, there is a positive circumstance - that he cannot die dead.

      ------------------------
      The real sector is rather dead than alive, and they themselves banged the raw materials with their poker with the Saudis. Maybe it's for the best. In general, no "fall in the dollar exchange rate" and "reduction of the key rate" will help us. We need to start with a clean slate, not zero.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 20 June 2020 14: 20
      -19 qualifying.
      Quote: Civil
      Well, there is a positive circumstance - that he cannot die dead.

      So let's phrase it to the end. "What is dead cannot die, it rises again, stronger and stronger than before."
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 20 June 2020 10: 18
    19
    Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
    . The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..

    But the owners of the commodity economy can feel good. And the rest of our powers that be are practically not interested, well, at least you crack.
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 June 2020 10: 42
      14
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      But the owners of the commodity economy can feel good.

      -------------------------------
      Begging for preferences and subsidies ?? They themselves slammed the prices of raw materials with their "multiple moves" and pathetic "withdrawals from negotiations." And then the "great geostrategist", with tears in his blepharoplastic eyes, begged Trump to "resume negotiations."
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 20 June 2020 10: 57
        23
        Quote: Altona
        By asking for preferences and subsidies ??

        Well, what not to swear, since the occasion has appeared? Superfluous billionaire, he is not superfluous to anyone. Our "elite" never had any shame and conscience, if they paid well, they would be dressed as a Papuan, that is, with a bare bottom and something else, around which totem, they would jump, waving spears and tambourines, and howling and squealing.
        And the fact that with the finances personally they have more than safely, regardless of kryzysov and other nonsense, say the lists of top yachts, real estate. airplanes. Where the proportion of orphans and the wretched, suffering from everything and everything of Russian billionaires, is about 20%. But the Buffett has no money, it’s in the top owners of airliners, but Usmanov has it.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 28
        -22 qualifying.
        Who begged whom there - is it possible in more detail?
  • CSKA
    CSKA 20 June 2020 14: 08
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
    What happened ... Nothing good. The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..

    Can non-commodity economies feel good? Everything is tied. And now almost everyone has a fall in the economy, at least for the Russian Federation, at least Germany, at least the USA.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 20 June 2020 14: 28
    18
    Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
    The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..

    Explain to me, an old fool: what kind of a raw materials economy? A year ago, the TV told us that Russia "got off the oil needle", that deep processing was developing rapidly, that ... And the United States was about to fall apart, because African Americans were raging, and in Europe there were crowds of hungry African Africans, and the virus was about here he will eat up the last inhabitants both there and there ... It would seem that in this situation the ruble should rise above their dollar and euro - but no, everything is exactly the opposite. Maybe they don't tell us something? I, of course, believe both Solovyov and Kiselev as masters of unprecedented honesty - but maybe they, too, were ill, were slightly misinformed - not intentionally, but just so as not to upset us?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 June 2020 17: 35
      16
      What happened to the "Russian economy"? And then no one knows - the "fat bank cats", together with the "effective managers" of the "Putin spill" at first, pumped out all the money from the population and the business sphere with loans, ditched the economy with unaffordable loan rates, checks, taxes and covid blocking ... and now, when business activity is at zero, citizens have found themselves absolutely destitute, without work, with colossal debts on mortgage loans, suddenly the "rate" has been lowered ... benefactors. Now, already, and no one will take money at low rates - there is no free, non-credit money in the country, business activity has moved into the sphere of survival, saving ... To revive the economy, there is only one way out - pumping the economy with free money, that is, the introduction "negative rate"! However, the "zeroed" one just said that "the Russian economy has already recovered" from the covid losses. That is, everything in the Russian economy is good, you can smoke bamboo, well, there, the refinancing rate should be slightly lowered, "and so it will do", yeah. "The government, after all, lives on another planet" is a phrase from a famous movie.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 20 June 2020 17: 43
        12
        Quote: Snail N9
        "the Russian economy has already recovered" from the disastrous losses.

        For the last thirty years, the economy has been doing nothing but "recovering". As well as the government. For the term "recover", however, there is a less euphonious synonym. But the point is not in synonyms: the trouble is that the population has to rake what they have "recovered" with.
  • Far B
    Far B 20 June 2020 09: 11
    35
    at the very beginning of 2020
    well, as if not quite at the very beginning, Miller ran out of the office / ran in early March. And the reasons for the problems of the Russian economy, too, cannot be said, that there are many, only one - comprador-oligarchic capitalism, and there is no need to look for a black cat in a dark room. But wait, Boris will come half a hundred and five and will explain on his fingers that Putin has nothing to do with it anyway.
    for the first time in modern history
    yes in any story for the first time. Prior to Putin, no one gifted had thought of shutting down the economy for a couple of months. This is the pure know-how of rowing galley
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 19
      -45 qualifying.
      Quote: Dalny V
      But wait, Boris will come half a hundred and five and will explain on his fingers that Putin still has nothing to do with it.

      I came running.
      Blaming Putin for the spread of kronovirus, the recession in the global economy and blaming him for 70% -80% of our budget’s dependence on oil and gas revenues at the beginning of the century for 30% in the past — this is what laughing

      No, well, if you are worried about the West, then yes, there is something to grieve about.

      Quote: Far In
      Prior to Putin, no one gifted had thought of shutting down the economy for a couple of months. This is the pure know-how of rowing galley

      Thanks to which we have the best environment in the world for kronovirus. Again the West offended ... laughing
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 June 2020 09: 25
        44
        came running
        malades))) your love for Putin deserves at least chocolates. But what about declining income for the seventh consecutive year? With, as the author of the article claims, GDP growth (not Putin, this one, if it grows, it’s only wide)?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 33
          -40 qualifying.
          Quote: Dalny V
          But what about declining income for the seventh consecutive year?

          In Russia, capitalism stood without Putin. He has already come to him.

          Under capitalism, our incomes constantly increase, but at the same time, our purchasing power decreases. Why is this being done, why is inflation necessary? That there would always be carrot in front of the donkey’s nose, otherwise if everyone becomes millionaires, who will work, and wealth can be seen only against the background of poverty.



          Under Stalin, prices were reduced, making the purchasing power of the population higher. The well-being of citizens grew from year to year ....

          You can print money for added value, or you can lower prices.

          Social order Decrees do not change. By laws, it’s possible that Putin does this by amending the Constitution, but someone really likes the current capitalism and they don’t want to part with it ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 20 June 2020 09: 39
            35
            Let me remind you. What was Putin doing at the very beginning of the 90s in St. Petersburg in the "Sobchak team"? Not by building that foundation of wild capitalism?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 41
              -34 qualifying.
              Quote: 210ox
              Let me remind you. What did Putin do at the very beginning of the 90s in St. Petersburg in the Sobchak team?

              Do you really think that some clerk from a county town has ruined the whole of Russia? laughing
              1. Far B
                Far B 20 June 2020 09: 47
                31
                Why are you doing it like that? A clerk from a county town, thanks to people like you, has been leading the country for 20 years. And you show such love Markov
              2. Altona
                Altona 20 June 2020 10: 32
                21
                Quote: Boris55
                Do you really think that some clerk from a county town has ruined the whole of Russia?

                ------------------------------
                Is St. Petersburg a county town? I am begging you. The county town is a regional center for the present, about 50-100 thousand people. And St. Petersburg is the central city of the entire North-West of Russia, the second capital. And by the way, "yes", the clerk can be removed from the mayor's office, the mayor's office cannot be removed from the president, where "the issue is resolved for a certain amount."
              3. Svarog
                Svarog 20 June 2020 11: 37
                19
                Quote: Boris55
                Do you really think that some clerk from a county town has ruined the whole of Russia?

                The clerk assembled a professional and greedy team that works for the collapse of the country, parasites on natural resources and cuts taxes on the population .. That's all. They’re more finger by finger .. well, yes, of course they also took care of protecting their own interests, and here I am changing the Constitution, the Russian Guard, etc. ..
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 20 June 2020 14: 53
                  11
                  It began, of course, with the Sobchak team, where Putin played an important role. Was his advisor.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 23 June 2020 20: 15
                    0
                    Quote: 210ox
                    It began, of course, with the Sobchak team, where Putin played an important role. Was his advisor.

                    Sorry, I'm very interested in what kind of scientific field he advised him ??? request
          2. Far B
            Far B 20 June 2020 09: 41
            22
            Yes, you are a giant of the economy) In the 90s, there was no capitalism. There was a redistribution of property. But under Putin, this redistribution settled down, and that very capitalism came. "There will be no revision of the privatization results" - have you forgotten? Or don't you specifically mention it?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 49
              -34 qualifying.
              Quote: Dalny V
              But under Putin, this redistribution settled down,

              Putin, according to the "family", was to become the one who would destroy Russia. For this they have prepared everything. "Take as much sovereignty as you can." The supremacy of local laws over all-Russian ones, the Khasvyurt agreements, according to which Chechnya seceded from Russia a year later and gave a start to everyone else to the collapse of Russia ... And much more.

              The first thing Putin did was the 2nd Chechen, which prevented the collapse of Russia, the revision of oil and gas contracts, which allowed to fill the budget and begin to fulfill social obligations, etc.
              1. Far B
                Far B 20 June 2020 09: 51
                22
                Did the "family" personally dream of you and tell about their plans, or what?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 56
                  -26 qualifying.
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  Did the "family" personally dream of you and tell about their plans, or what?

                  "Judge them according to their works."
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 20 June 2020 10: 00
                    16
                    And what prevents you from doing this in relation to Putin?
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 13
                      -25 qualifying.
                      Quote: Dalny V
                      And what prevents you from doing this in relation to Putin?

                      You recall in more detail from what abyss he pulled the country?
                      I'm afraid the moderators will misunderstand, the topic is somewhat different.
                      1. Far B
                        Far B 20 June 2020 10: 24
                        15
                        Well, remind me. With a footnote to the fact that I found the 90s at a conscious age. And also taking into account the previously written by me "in the 90s there was a redistribution of property." And don't forget about the frantic rise in oil and gas prices, please. And then the merits of a non-alien may not play with the necessary colors.
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 27
                        -17 qualifying.
                        Quote: Dalny V
                        Well, remind. With a footnote that I found the 90s in a conscious age

                        So how do those years look like these years? Homeless people at train stations, homeless on heating mains, spontaneous flea markets at which people sell the latter - much to see?
                      3. Far B
                        Far B 20 June 2020 10: 41
                        26
                        Not alike. Then everything was done in naglyak. Now - polite and courteous. Sylvester cited the number of downsized hospitals and schools below. Not enough for you? And, forgive me, what difference does it make how the hooligans on the street kumar - silently or with a preliminary question - would you mind if I put you on the scoreboard? ". As for me, there is not much difference. The same can be said about the 90s and the current ones, Putin's. Anyway, I think what the phrase" Do you want, like in the 90s? "you have to start banning. Damn, 20 years have passed
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 20 June 2020 11: 39
                        10
                        Quote: Dalny V
                        , excuse me, what difference does it make how bullies on the street are kumary for you - silently or with a preliminary question - will you mind if I charge you in the scoreboard?

                        laughing good
                        Quote: Dalny V
                        “Do you want it like in the 90s?” You have to start banning. Damn, 20 years have passed

                        Yes 30 even already ..
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 44
                        -23 qualifying.
                        You know how to put these reduced hospitals and schools - most of these hospitals and schools were located in villages of small towns where it would be nice if 3-4 students studied, and in some cases the same thing with hospitals at all - people went to district centers medium and large cities, the process of urbanization continues and is spent on empty infrastructure where nobody has money anywhere. Hospitals, clinics, FAPs, schools as well as new kindergartens continue to be built and opened, and not for 3-4 people, but for 300, 500, 1000 and 3000.
                      6. polar fox
                        polar fox 20 June 2020 17: 13
                        13
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        You know how to put these reduced hospitals and schools - most of these hospitals and schools were located in villages of small towns where it would be nice if 3-4 students studied, and in some of them it’s the same thing with hospitals

                        I’d spoil your face, dear, for such words ... however, not only I. in two neighboring villages of the school closed, less than 100 students ... the hospitals also covered up. Mortality increased.
                      7. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 June 2020 20: 34
                        -14 qualifying.
                        They dump everything from your villages as there was no horseradish today there were 100 students tomorrow 80 after tomorrow 50, 30, 20 and 0. All young people leave old people remain here mortality has increased.
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 21 June 2020 09: 38
                      0
                      "most of these hospitals and schools were located in villages of small settlements in which it would be good if 3 - 4 students studied, and in some even one at a time"

                      The problem of students in completely inaccessible and remote villages is solved by boarding schools for students (it seems to have worked well in the Far North) and school buses where the all-weather transport access is good.
                      Local medicine can be largely replaced by air ambulance capable of landing on the ground; medical periodical expeditions equipped, if necessary, to remote settlements in the format of a small convoy of 3-4 all-terrain wheeled and tracked vehicles and periodic medical examinations delivered by doctors to sanitation.
                      Patients can and should be treated at large medical centers built directly at large aerodromes where sanitation is located and the same centers could successfully deal with infectious patients detected in air passenger flows.
                      As an innovation, parachute landing of physicians and their equipment and other property on cargo parachutes can be applied. In aviation security, it works great, and it works in medicine.
                      For remote settlements, a resettlement program should work for decades.
                      Another thing is that, in addition to buses, almost nothing has been done.
                    3. hydrox
                      hydrox 23 June 2020 20: 58
                      0
                      In the Russian Empire, the question of Zemstvo schools was solved very simply by creating combined classes from 7 to 14 years old, engaged together (and there wasn’t I-net at that time!)
                    4. hydrox
                      hydrox 24 June 2020 06: 18
                      0
                      But what authority did the teacher enjoy in such schools and in such villages for the rest of his life !!
                      These are the schools and just such teachers (without this filthy USE !!!) that are needed now in villages, villages and county towns:
                      1. "Reasonable, kind, eternal to the masses!".
                      2. Workplaces of INTELLIGENCE in the village and at the workplace of the peasant.
                      3. Free internet to help them.
                      4. Dismantle with a break for household and household chores.
                      5. Agronomy through the younger generation as an effective way to foster a family balance of rights and responsibilities.
                      6. Guiding, informational, educational and edifying specificity of the "lightning" type.
                      7. "" "Public education" "" of today's type - in the toilet!
                    5. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 8 July 2020 22: 09
                      0
                      Modern teachers do not seem to recommend bringing together unfamiliar and unrelated children with a large age difference: this is a very big difference in psychophysiological development and, in addition, there will be hellish hazing, ineradicable for reasons of purely psychophysiology of development, because at this age physiology still rules it is more powerful than psychology and only a teacher-genius can distort such a balance - even with a difference of a year in the army environment it is very difficult to uproot it, and here the school and the difference "whole lives". It is not for nothing that they say and remember that in childhood, every "summer is a small life."
                      In addition, it will be just a dream of unreasonable modern "economists" who spoil human capital - hyperbolizing: to cram everyone for 12 years, from kindergarten to teenage outsiders in life, preparing for the call, which the university does not shine, into one covered shed rented in a suburban industrial zone of the regional center, carry them for 4 shifts in buses closed with bars, in order to observe attendance, instruct them to teach computers and tests, and to keep an eye on them - surveillance cameras and security guards sitting tensely at the ready next to the gun (to suppress the Columbines) ... in life "it will be so.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 23 June 2020 20: 55
          0
          You mean the financial and economic ... um ... trap in which the country has been floundering for 6 years with all the pleasures such as lowering GDP, emptying the budget, raking the NWF and impoverishing the population?
  • Altona
    Altona 20 June 2020 10: 45
    16
    Quote: Boris55
    The supremacy of local laws over all-Russian

    ------------------------------------
    So how is it? Do we have a federal state? Or is it still unitary? Where territories are fed with handouts from the center, first pumping out of them all the money supply. In such a "situation" we are in for a renaissance of separatism.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 23 June 2020 21: 04
      0
      And the Ural Republic was awakened even before Putin, he may simply not remember what horror the Eltsin "sort of elite" entered into with such possible "prospects"
  • Korax71
    Korax71 20 June 2020 17: 53
    0
    Someone you put together in one pile belay the signing of the treaty in Khas suspended hostilities, and the question of the independence of the Chechen Republic was postponed until 2001. I will remind you that the agreement was signed in Khasa on August 31, 1996. Further: "On September 23, Russian President Boris Yeltsin signed a decree" On Measures region of the Russian Federation. ”The decree provided for the creation of a Joint Group of Forces in the North Caucasus to conduct a counter-terrorist operation

    On September 23, Russian troops began massive bombing of Grozny and its environs, on September 30 they entered the territory of Chechnya. "I note that Putin, at that time, the head of the Soviet. surname Lebed - negotiated in Khasavyurt.
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 20 June 2020 10: 38
    18
    And do you believe that the system that Putin built in Russia will survive ??? How can a system based on CORRUPTION AND CRAWS be viable. Just tell us a hundred times "halva" will not become sweeter. Although you may have more copper in your pocket.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 49
      -21 qualifying.
      And where is Putin - corruption and cut in Russia were always just now they have received the maximum publicity since they are trumpeted from each iron in real time. In Tsarist Russia and the USSR, this topic was almost completely closed to the public - no one knows if there is no publicity, then there is no problem.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 June 2020 15: 54
        16
        You are right about corruption in RI. About the USSR. here the police and party bodies dealt with this issue. Yes, it cannot be said that in a socialist state there was no corruption at all. But what is happening now does not go into any gates. And the fact that from each iron does not affect the situation. Someone did not share or took in excess (God, WHAT I’m talking about) - an indicative case with KAMAZ of money .. But the whole system of requisitions has already been built in the country, starting from the lower levels (for example, the notorious school requisitions) and above, appointing the right people , clannishness, family (for this, under the USSR, they were punished and removed from office). Yes, thousands of examples. Corruption corrodes the state. And yes, a country with a similar level of corruption has no future. Unfortunately.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 June 2020 20: 42
          -14 qualifying.
          In the socialist system, corruption was the same as it is now, it had its own elite, privileges, speculators, Tsekhoviks, its majors - but they didn’t stupidly talk about them and daddy officials of their sons of drug addicts were dissolving acquaintances from the court.
  • AUL
    AUL 20 June 2020 11: 52
    16
    Quote: Boris55
    Social order Decrees do not change. Laws - it’s possible that Putin does by amending the Constitution,

    From now on, please, in more detail! What amendment leads (at least a hint) to a change in the social system?
    1. parma
      parma 20 June 2020 22: 42
      +5
      Zeroing
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 20 June 2020 09: 45
    32
    Quote: Dalny V
    malades))) your love for Putin deserves at least chocolates.

    Comrade, Boris is an impenetrable-armored NODovets, only grandmother Mutin is cooler than him.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 53
      -22 qualifying.
      Quote: Malyuta
      Boris impenetrable-armored NODovets

      No. I am not a NODovets. In their activities they do not rise above the third priority of the management of humanity. I am a Bolshevik. I am interested in the thoughts expressed in the theoretical publications of BER.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 June 2020 09: 59
        26
        You are the same Bolshevik as I am Maya Plisetskaya. Your views are those of Martov. You can learn about Martov's "Bolshevism" from Lenin's article "One Step Forward, Two Steps Back." Don't disgrace yourself, for God's sake.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 03
          -20 qualifying.
          Quote: Dalny V
          You are as much a Bolshevik as I am Maya Plisetskaya. Your views are those of Martov.

          It depends on what you mean by the term Bolshevism.

          "...Bolshevismas the history of the CPSU teaches, arose in 1903 * g. at the II Congress of the RSDLP as one of the party factions. According to his opponents, the Bolsheviks until 1917 * g. never represented the real majority of the members of the Marxist party, and therefore opponents of the Bolsheviks in those years always opposed their self-designation. But such an opinion stemmed from a misunderstanding by the diverse Mensheviks of the essence of Bolshevism.

          Bolshevism - This is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not party affiliation. And the “Jewish Bolshevism" used by Hitler in Mine Campf is completely meaningless, since Bolshevism is a phenomenon of the spirit of Russian civilization, and not the spirit of the bearers of the doctrine of biblical global slavery on a racial basis.
          Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, somehow it exists today. It will continue to exist.

          As stated by the Bolsheviks members of the Marxist party of the RSDLP * (b), it was they who expressed in politics the strategic interests of the working majority of the population of multinational Russia, as a result of which only they had the right to be called Bolsheviks. Regardless of how infallible the Bolsheviks are in expressing the strategic interests of the labor majority, how much this majority is aware of its strategic interests and true to them in life, the essence of Bolshevism is not the numerical superiority of the adherents of certain ideas over the adherents of other ideas and the thoughtless crowd, namely this:

          in a sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who wants no one to parasitize on his work and life. In other words, historically, in every era, the essence of Bolshevism is in the active support of the transition process from the historically established crowd of “elitism” to the multinational humanity of the Earth of the future era ... "
          1. Far B
            Far B 20 June 2020 10: 07
            19
            Trying to chat the topic, as always? The true traveler.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 09
              -17 qualifying.
              Quote: Dalny V
              Trying to chat the topic, as always?

              No. I’m trying to come to a single conceptual apparatus, in other words, it seems to be about the same thing, we will each think about our own and as a result we will send each other to hell.
              1. Far B
                Far B 20 June 2020 10: 14
                18
                There will be no one))) You treated me for a long time that Putin cannot remove Medvedev. After the removal of Medvedev, you disappeared for many months. I suspect healed the gap pattern. What kind of consensus are you talking about?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 20
                  -16 qualifying.
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  After the removal of Medvedev, you disappeared for many months.

                  Roman banned for two months because I convicted him of a love of echo.

                  But the removal of Medvedev’s is their own fault. We wouldn’t push the pension reform, wouldn’t organize a coup d'état, you see, the iPhone would still be the prime minister ...
                2. Far B
                  Far B 20 June 2020 10: 27
                  11
                  What do you mean "are to blame" if, in your opinion, it was impossible in principle?)))
                3. Boris55
                  Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 31
                  -13 qualifying.
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  What do you mean "are to blame" if, in your opinion, it was impossible in principle?

                  They are to blame for choosing the owner, and the owner needs to serve, and even if you do not want to. But the owner does not give a damn about them, they removed one, they will find another ...

                  Slaves in the soul will always look for someone to help.
              2. edmed
                edmed 20 June 2020 11: 37
                16
                Quote: Boris55
                But the removal of Medvedev’s is their own fault. We wouldn’t push the pension reform, wouldn’t organize a coup d'état, you see, the iPhone would still be the prime minister ...

                How good it happened, and the Medvedevs were removed and the pension reform was preserved, we’ll finish the constitution and heal!
      2. Altona
        Altona 20 June 2020 10: 47
        16
        Quote: Boris55
        And the “Jewish Bolshevism” revolution is completely senseless

        -------------------
        Thank you for your detailed answer, Boris, you are a "Putin Bolshevik".
    2. Alexey Polyakh
      Alexey Polyakh 20 June 2020 22: 33
      0
      Land, 20 acres (2000 sq.m. (two thousand square meters)) - to each adult Citizen. Muscovite - in MOSCOW. A resident of St. Petersburg - in PETERSBURG. Etc. Land, in the amount of 1 (one) piece, With the possibility of exchange for other cities. For the construction of a residential building and the arrangement of gardening ... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications ....
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 20 June 2020 10: 03
    12
    Quote: Boris55
    I am a Bolshevik. I'm interested in the thoughts of BER.

    You yourself are not funny? General Petrov had never whitewashed his mutin and certainly was not a Bolshevik. I am scared by what kind of mess (mildly) in the heads of individual citizens.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 06
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: Malyuta
      General Petrov

      Having read the theory of BER, General Petrov wanted to become president, and when he didn’t succeed, he hit Rodnoverie. He - has nothing to do with the theoretical materials of the BER, from the word at all.
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert 20 June 2020 11: 15
    +6
    If you are a Bolshevik, then tell me what a state is.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 09: 58
    -17 qualifying.
    And why should income grow if the country is under sanctions and the economy is under pressure from outside? Fee for sovereignty.
    1. Far B
      Far B 20 June 2020 10: 05
      +2
      And read the full comment? GDP is growing. Revenues are falling. "Nonsense, what a global word" (c)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 56
        -15 qualifying.
        Get used to it - in a market economy, someone’s income is growing, someone’s falling; someone has more money; that person has more opportunities to earn. A market economy is a wave of growth and decline - there is no escape from them.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 June 2020 16: 00
          +9
          And why should we get used to accepting that incomes have fallen? For example, I’m now at two jobs in three organizations. It is necessary to come up with this .. That's what a cunning master capitalist. To inflate the state into taxes divides the business. Why is such a system needed?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 June 2020 20: 45
            -9
            Yes, because you won’t be able to do anything about it - if you want to get more, look for another job or start your own business or who did not say that it will be easy.
        2. savage1976
          savage1976 20 June 2020 16: 57
          -11 qualifying.
          But is it not so in socialist-communist? We carried out a monetary reform, a growth wave started, a growth wave dried up, and we will carry out a new monetary reform. And it doesn’t matter that after it people began to eat less, let them rejoice, because the party is struggling with obesity. laughing
    2. Hyperborean
      Hyperborean 20 June 2020 11: 02
      +3
      Well, at least due to domestic demand ...
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 20 June 2020 11: 15
      17
      And why grow income? But some are growing! And not bad! And the Forbes list is swelling! Is it from pressure from outside? Or payment for sovereignty? And what is sovereignty? Here pipes from the country is sovereignty? Other citizenship than Russian, is it sovereignty? Property and accounts outside of Russia is sovereignty? Is money export from Russia sovereignty? Sanctions imposed so that nothing is exported from Russia? Then comes the leadership of Russia is not in Russia! And the punishment of some people and companies comes out within the framework of one commercial structure! Well, this is how you will be punished at the enterprise for theft or for absenteeism! belay
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 20 June 2020 11: 47
      12
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      And why should income grow if the country is under sanctions and the economy is under pressure from outside? Fee for sovereignty.

      What sovereignty? You look at members of the government and their families, citizens of which countries they are or residence permits of which states they have .. Be surprised .. probably .. and then think about whose interests they actually protect ..
      Our country has been under sanctions since 1917, but this fact did not prevent us from making Russia an empire in 20 years, which at the same time won several warriors.
      Justification can always be found, then the Ukrainians get in the way, then the USA ... then the Pechenegs Polovtsy ..
    5. 210ox
      210ox 20 June 2020 11: 56
      +3
      And why did the Soviet economy grow by leaps and bounds. In fact, relying on their own strength.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 14
        -12 qualifying.
        Of course, only the planned economy, by definition, could not keep up and could not keep up with the needs of the growing population and well-being, hence the deficit that needed to be covered and where to cover it - with imports from capstran countries for currency and gold, since the Soviet ruble was not convertible and this problem was growing From year to year, from the beginning of the 60s to the 80s, this combined with other cancer events for the economy and budget of the USSR Gorbachev was simply a catalyst for inevitable events.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 June 2020 16: 06
          10
          Gorbachev was primarily a traitor. And about the deficit is not necessary. Especially in the late 80s, when it was all created artificially. Even here for consumer goods, production grew. And new production was organized, but it was not stupidly sent for sale.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 June 2020 21: 29
            -12 qualifying.
            There wasn’t any artificial deficit that the planned economy in the USSR calculated the needs of the whole country from above - for five years, that is, for me you and all the others decided how many and what goods we will use in practice, it’s impossible to calculate even for five years in one day, you have at least some computing power - that’s how the population got money on hand; there are fewer goods because they grabbed everything instantly organized new industries - new production of which no one needs rubbish instead of these new industries would be better taken care of providing food - otherwise Having vast expanses of arable land and sowing groans of thousands of tractors and combines of thousands of state farms and collective farms, the USSR was unable to provide themselves with grain in the 86th bought almost 47 million tons from the USA and Canada - such indicators are a food disaster - what could Gorbachev do in such circumstances just like he couldn’t do anything with the accident ES earthquake in Armenia, a 50% drop in oil prices by the war in Afghanistan, lack of demand for domestic goods in countries to somehow offset foreign exchange losses from the sale of cheaper oil, he knew that the USSR could no longer drag out the arms race with the west of the country's gold reserves by at least you don’t buy anything in the West, but further actions in this all played a role in starting perestroika and glasnost which led to nationalism in the republics and completely undermining the current government of the population - all of the above processes would have happened anytime sooner or later and the USSR would have ended in collapse against the backdrop of total economic crisis of food shortages and ethnic wars.
    6. Grading
      Grading 20 June 2020 12: 40
      +7
      This is what happened just yesterday. All your fairy-tale brotherhood on all irons rubbed people on the idea that sanctions were in our favor. good
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 15
        -13 qualifying.
        It is impossible to replace purely all foreign ones - everyone understands this.
    7. 210ox
      210ox 20 June 2020 14: 16
      +6
      So, in your opinion, as a result of the establishment of sovereign theta, it is impossible for us to develop the economy?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 20 June 2020 14: 31
    -12 qualifying.
    And you take an interest in what happened seven years ago - then the understanding will come why seven years in a row incomes fall, so to speak, will refresh you.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 June 2020 16: 20
      +8
      What happened? War, a catastrophe of universal proportions? Sanctions?? AND! So this is an example of an inefficient economy in the first place. And it continues to be ineffective. Since any sneeze falls into bed.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 21: 52
        -6
        Yes, namely, falling commodity prices, all goods and sanctions on the other hand - Unlike Russia, which has been engaged in planned garbage for 69 years, many developed countries have been developing in a market economy, creating their own brands in competition and conquering sales markets around the world - if you you think that in 20 years we will catch up with them and overtake them on your own, you are mistaken wrong; these 20 years do not stand still like the whole world, most of the niches are already occupied by them; brands are untwisted; customer base is filled with markets - there are no competitive products; there is no untwisted brand there is no demand for economic growth, and where did competitive civilian products come from - which they never did in the USSR and Russia, and only recently such products began to appear but this process is long and will not close all directions.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 June 2020 09: 32
    13
    Accuse Putin of spreading kronovirus,
    It can be distributed but in different ways, for example sequentially. optimizing medicine for years. By the way, something can’t be heard, what happened to the hospitals, which began to earnestly build for the treatment of covert? Covid was canceled and hospitals are not needed?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 June 2020 09: 35
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Covid was canceled and hospitals are not needed?

      Their construction was planned at a later date. In connection with the virus they were built earlier. Everything is according to plan, and even ahead of schedule.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 June 2020 09: 55
        +4
        I am opposed to this SYSTEM in general, the capitalists of compradors, the official oligarchic, etc., BUT, to blame the highest, without affecting the very foundations of this system .... some naive or illiteracy. Within the existing system, anyone will come and NOTHING will fundamentally change for the working people, for the lower classes, as many of us say.
        By the way, replacing this top one will not necessarily bring at least some improvements within the framework of even the existing system ... because the quality of those who are prophesied to the top raises great doubts.
        So guess what is better .....
        Reorient the existing system, replace, now no one has the strength. Because only universal support of the masses can provide such a FORCE.
        There is NO unity among the people, there is NO noticeable movement in this direction, the prospects are foggy ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 00
          -12 qualifying.
          Quote: rocket757
          reorient the existing system, replace, now no one has the strength.

          Putin is trying to change the fundamental law of the country, and here they are, hello, the vast majority on this site does not want this. They like that at the direction of the IMF they raised our retirement age, etc.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 16
            +1
            Our top, SYSTEM, STATE, autonomous enough Schaub to send all Wishlist and pointers from anywhere, very far and forever!
            But MANY FIGURES, which make up the backbone of this system, continue to flirt with "foreign partners" ...
            because they do not want to consider themselves a "nationally oriented elite" ... ugh, what an abstruse / stupid expression!
            They are almost THERE, here they have Wishlist, and there they have interes. It didn’t even begin yesterday, they already stopped encrypting.
            The people see this, they know, they naturally HATE them and DO NOT BELIEVE THEM ONE penny!
            Therefore, distrust, denial of everything that they, above, offer! This is a boomerang, although in our case it is a ball of ping-pong that rushes to and fro.
            And GDP, he is a public person who expresses the interests of the SYSTEM .....
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 20 June 2020 10: 23
              -15 qualifying.
              Quote: rocket757
              Therefore, distrust, denial of everything that they, above, offer!

              We will soon find out the results of the vote and evaluate how resistant our people are to foreign propaganda, how much we trust our leader, how competent the commentators on this forum are. Wait, not long to wait.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 32
                +2
                Let's vote FOR. For me personally, it doesn't matter at all, because ...... plus, the "advertising campaign" has been carried out in full.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 21 June 2020 07: 45
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  also the "advertising campaign" was carried out in full.

                  Why not? Do you know how much money the State Department dumped for the collapse of our country, both domestically and in neighboring countries? Online information is available. Why is it possible for them, but not for us? You look at what is happening on the forum - 60% under various pretexts, for the fact that we would continue to remain a cryptocolony. I already doubt that these 60% are Russian citizens, at least mentally.

                  Until we gain sovereignty, we can’t talk about any changes in our lives for the better. The IMF will continue to indicate what our retirement age should be ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 June 2020 08: 42
                    0
                    It doesn’t depend on any amendments, but on the faces that will execute and control.
                    What interests they have, they will do so .... stop, correct, they are NOT LIKE at any given time.
                    That’s why I don’t care.
                    The amendments will be accepted, but as in any dermocratic society, half the population ignores this action. As usual.
                  2. Boris55
                    Boris55 21 June 2020 09: 28
                    -1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    It doesn’t depend on any amendments, but on the faces that will execute and control.

                    The Constitution is the basic law on the basis of which all other legislation is formed, according to which we all live.

                    Quote: rocket757
                    The amendments will be accepted, but as in any dermocratic society, half the population ignores this action. As usual.

                    Wait and see. It’s not long to wait. And you can not walk, but then do not be offended if the IMF again raises the retirement age.

                    ps
                    Then someone in comments complained that Medvedev had been removed, but his retirement age had not been changed. Yes, because they did not change, because it was an indication from the outside. Because we have the priority of their rights over ours.
                  3. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 June 2020 10: 28
                    0
                    I always go, just like that.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The Constitution is the basic law on the basis of which all other legislation is formed, according to which we all live

                    This is true, but the division of society into those who are above the law, whom it protects and all the others to whom it is not so loyal, does not please us, those others.
                    This is our reality, however, there are not a few where exactly the same.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    And you can not walk, but then do not be offended if the IMF again raises the age of retirement

                    For those who are below you, we will not work, we will all be there. The beneficiaries are higher, they have everything in chocolate.
                    Society is divided and these are all said.
                  4. Boris55
                    Boris55 21 June 2020 10: 30
                    -1
                    If nothing is done, then nothing will change.
                  5. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 June 2020 10: 37
                    -1
                    A common truth that most simply ignore, confining itself to a dull grunt about and without.
                    It’s not time, or even how, it’s not clear.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 June 2020 10: 36
        16
        Quote: Boris55
        We will soon find out the results of the vote and evaluate how resistant our people are to foreign propaganda, how much we trust our leader, how competent the commentators on this forum are. Wait, not long to wait.

        The results are already known, only on my own behalf I declare that I do not recognize them in advance and consider them illegitimate hi
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 20 June 2020 10: 52
        17
        Quote: Boris55
        We will soon find out the voting results

        what results do you want to see? - Total roll-out of state employees to electronic voting! The result is predictable and has nothing to do with the people. This is an indicator of fraud and more. Read sociology, after all!
        Quote: Boris55
        ... how much we trust our leader,

        cancel electronic voting, punish them for falsification, stop using state employees and then you will see the answer to your question
      4. snake
        snake 20 June 2020 11: 30
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        We’ll soon find out the voting results and evaluate how resistant our people are to foreign propaganda, how much do we trust our leader

        In order to at least try to find out how much we trust our leader, you need to amend the zeroing separately from the rest. But our beloved leader will not even do this, because risk is a noble cause, but you always want to eat.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 20 June 2020 11: 50
    11
    Quote: Boris55
    The main law of the country and here are those hello, the vast majority on this site does not want this.

    Putin from the Constitution wants to make traffic rules .. and the overwhelming majority does not want to see his face for life in the presidents, because 20 years of his reign showed what his promises are, a word, etc. For 20 years nothing fundamental has been done, like there were a raw materials appendage and stayed.
  • Alf
    Alf 20 June 2020 22: 27
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    They like that at the direction of the IMF they raised our retirement age, etc.

    Yes, yes, now we will vote for the priority of our laws over theirs, and pension age will immediately be reduced ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 June 2020 07: 51
      -4
      Quote: Alf
      Yes, yes, now we will vote for the priority of our laws over theirs, and pension age will immediately be reduced ...

      Quite possible. Such rumors are already circulating in the Duma.
      1. Alf
        Alf 21 June 2020 21: 07
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Alf
        Yes, yes, now we will vote for the priority of our laws over theirs, and pension age will immediately be reduced ...

        Quite possible. Such rumors are already circulating in the Duma.

        It’s not funny for yourself? Why did they raise something in order to lower it in a year?
  • Altona
    Altona 20 June 2020 10: 48
    +5
    Quote: rocket757
    BUT, blaming the very top, without affecting the very foundations of this system .... some kind of naive or illiteracy. Within the existing system, anyone will come and NOTHING will fundamentally change for the working people, for the lower classes, as many of us say.

    -----------------------------------
    We have, like the USA, the center of capitalism. Do you propose to go to Washington and arrange a "world revolution"? laughing laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 54
      +2
      There, and so the fun goes on.
      And here, as in "Baghdad" - everything is calm, people are asleep ....!
      Although, this is no longer a dream, but some kind of coma.
      1. Altona
        Altona 20 June 2020 10: 57
        11
        Quote: rocket757
        There, and so the fun goes on.
        And here, as in "Baghdad" - everything is calm, people are asleep ....!
        Although, this is no longer a dream, but some kind of coma.

        ------------------------
        There is an ordinary bourgeois revolution under the leftist slogans. Crowds of balsamines who want to "marry princesses and become kings" are trashing everything and everyone. The usual "consumer triumph". This is beneficial for transnational corporations. Rather "very profitable". For a very long time and with difficulty they brought up the average consumer (moderators, you can stick a comment), an uneducated and superficial person with a bunch of material needs.
        PS By the way, any messenger is a latent consumer. He wants to live without effort.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 June 2020 11: 33
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          By the way, any messenger is a latent consumer.

          By the way, consume is much wider than to attach to a specific one. Although, it’s quite the opposite, it’s for consuming, many people and what can be attached in modern realities.
          In striping, "fun" is multifaceted, for now ... but, as always, we will look at the final result. Who will be the ultimate beneficiary.
          In the meantime, have fun moat / N / ina.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 June 2020 11: 31
    +4
    Well, about unity, we don’t have a counterbalance to snickering officials and the oligarchy, everyone who is not too lazy to set up a monopoly, who are parochial who are on the scale of the country. And the recipe in their favorite states was invented. Unions. We can also in the current realities, but only if the government apparatus advances it rigidly and adamantly.
    1. Grading
      Grading 20 June 2020 12: 44
      -2
      What a nagging you yourself wanted more of a state now you got it sign it
    2. Alf
      Alf 20 June 2020 22: 30
      +3
      Quote: evgen1221
      Unions. We can also in the current realities, but only if the government apparatus advances it rigidly and adamantly.

      Who is the government composed of? Of workers union members?
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 21 June 2020 06: 29
        +1
        The fact of the matter is that the tasks of any adequate government are essentially few. Adopting intelligible laws and rules for society, monitoring the implementation and inevitability of punishment, promptly changing the rules of the game if, for one reason or another, the previously introduced rules do not work or have outlived their own. To accomplish all this, vertical elevators to power are needed or a powerful counterbalance from below over the authorities. The first option was in a union, thanks to their work, anyone could be heard by the authorities, the second option prevails in the West-trade unions will multiply any power by zero if it is inadequate. What of this is in the Russian Federation? Life-long senators and posts by inheritance and doom, impunity and the collapse of vertical elevators. In any case, you need a will at the top and understanding that on the earth below, not everything is as rosy as court sneaks are drawn in reports (hello 17t and the middle class). While maintaining the current realities, the country is doomed to the fate of the African Congo from the time of Bokasa.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 June 2020 10: 20
    13
    Quote: Boris55
    Everything is according to plan, and even ahead of schedule.

    You are an amazing person! Do not see / do not want the reality of today! You consider "movement is everything, the result is nothing"
    First, we close everything ....


    then, when the cock pecked, hastily build and proud of it?
    Sawing ahead of the grandmother, this is for sure.
    In Moscow, up to 25% of infectious beds were closed, a hospital was hastily built for 53 billion rubles, is this a plan? Although, a malpractice plan. After all, they spent budget money. And what about the closed infectious diseases hospitals? - In Pechatniki there was an infectious infectious diseases hospital, it wasn’t resuscitated, a new one was built. And in a closed hospital, warehouses
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 35
      +3
      When the crisis, the SYSTEM also becomes "scared", for itself, beloved, eats-but! Moreover, it does not take away from itself, but shifts it onto everyone else.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 20 June 2020 11: 49
      14
      Weird! The number of temples has tripled! So three times should the population become healthier and more literate? Should the economy also become three times more efficient? Unclear! What is the problem? Temples of poor quality or priests hack? Where is the economic efficiency and economic return from priests and temples !? If it does not give any economic effect. the question arises. And why is all this done if there is no exhaust? We are talking about economic efficiency, but what are they doing? Well, what is the economic efficiency of the temple? What kind of economy does it develop and what profit does it bring? Here Mo built a temple. Is this a new superweapon in Russia? What is the point of building a temple for the MO? How does this affect the country's defense? Are they developing new weapons or releasing them? What is the relationship between temple and defense? What is the relationship between the temple and the economy? Can the geniuses of economics explain the economic efficiency of temples? Go there praying? So how do prayers help materialize desires? Who managed to get what they wanted with prayers? Sechin and Miller are regulars in the temples? Did they receive everything through prayers? Can anyone explain the increase in the number of temples with the growth of the economy and the improvement of the welfare of the population? Or is it due to a worsening economy? The worse the economy and life, the more temples !? request sad winked
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 June 2020 12: 55
        0
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        The number of temples has tripled! So three times should the population become healthier and more literate?

        What is the relationship here ???
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 June 2020 13: 29
        +7
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        The worse the economy and life, the more temples !?

        exactly!
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 19
        -9
        Spit on the temples - let them build them for tourists.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 June 2020 17: 07
          +6
          What tourists go to the new building ?!
        2. Alf
          Alf 20 June 2020 22: 32
          +5
          Quote: Vadim237
          Spit on the temples - let them build them for tourists.

          Suppose, but only at the expense of a purely church, not a state.
    3. savage1976
      savage1976 20 June 2020 17: 25
      -4
      Hospitals were built in the USSR, and the life expectancy was declining, in modern Russia, hospitals are closing down and the life expectancy is growing. Explain such a paradox?

  • depressant
    depressant 20 June 2020 10: 38
    17
    Boris 55, would you stop defaming commentators. According to the principle: if you do not agree with Putin, then you are working for the capitalist West, then you are the enemy of Russia. This is the first.
    The second one. Putin's task is to destroy the remnants of everything Soviet under the program of final privatization of state property in the next two years and in the process of land reform. At the same time, there are no plans for the construction of large enterprises that go beyond the transmission of oil and gas through pipes and the loading of minerals by rail cars. The promise of people like you - world niches are busy, nowhere to pop. Cool down? In the name of Putin? And people are ready to dare.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 June 2020 11: 51
      -2
      Quote: depressant
      At the same time, there are no plans for the construction of large enterprises that go beyond the transmission of oil and gas through pipes and the loading of minerals by rail cars.

      Not exactly. The capitalist also does not / R / ak, market conditions are being monitored. Build enterprises of deep, final processing of minerals. This is the same article of earnings, while very profitable and in demand, both in the domestic market and in the external.
      It's just that in our open spaces and after huge losses of the "time of troubles", all this is lost.
      Here the social network is lame, because those who are responsible for this with us ..... in short, no one wants to answer for it, but only wants to earn money for us.
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 June 2020 12: 41
        +8
        Deep final processing? Well, let's take an enterprise in Ust-Lug. The deep processing of raw materials with a wide range of finished products was also supposed there. Moreover, information was submitted as if recycling already existed. But even then the question arose, if it exists, why did you take Chaika to dig columns from pressed Moscow rubbish in Shies to buy plastic film from Germany? But in reality it turned out that the enterprise, if it was being built, was neither shaky nor swift, there was no end in sight, the Dutch investors spat on this matter and left. But the Chinese came, who do not put a finger in your mouth. They are: the company will take complete control, and the products will be theirs. Exactly how it happened with the Chubais factories for the production of solar panels. Nimble Chinese came, they release from us, they sell as ours and not ours. And Siemens left Power Machines, and what a domestic market we have for selling turbines! But she left. And you say, our capitalist will not miss his. Well, yes, they did not miss. Apparently, in its wide offshore pockets. These are our capitalists. Putin has no other for us.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 June 2020 12: 53
          -2
          You haven’t listed everything. There are negative examples, there are positive ones.
          So it’s NOT ANALYSIS, it is YOUR wishful thinking, pretending to be real.
          Until you lay on both sides of the scale .... suffer from heartburn, for example.
          I am not a supporter of this power, SYSTEM, just need to be considered objectively, so it will be for garlic, everyone and everything.
          1. depressant
            depressant 20 June 2020 13: 53
            +8
            Colleague, I'm struggling to balance the scales! When loyal admirers of the president send me to the sites of "the achievements of Putin's national economy", I diligently go in the indicated direction. And what do I find there? The construction of all the same giants for liquefying gas, pumping oil, creating tankers for the transportation of all the same oil and gas - subsoil for the proliferation! And each project is worth several hundred billion rubles. There are a dozen of them. The rest are from the category "there was a Soviet machine-building plant, it is dead, but now look what a greenhouse it turned out to be!" I don’t need that. I would prefer that that Soviet plant was given into good, even capitalist hands, that it was reconstructed, modernized for the production of a competitive product, and all this tenaciously, at high speed, with an awareness of responsibility to the country. But as soon as such hands appear, the unkind ones immediately appear nearby, who, at best, leave the enterprise to live as a chicken, laying the golden eggs right into the pocket of the owner of the unkind hands. And more often than not, they twist the neck of that chicken, without even trying to cook soup out of it - too much fiddling with medicines and food. That's what I mean.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 June 2020 14: 29
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              to create tankers for transporting all the same oil and gas,

              Shipyard, it is in Africa, shipyard. A place where BUILD ships!
              Quote: depressant
              The construction of the same gas liquefaction giants,

              this is also a CASE, but for example on the processing of gas into raw materials for industry, polymers. plant for the production of fertilizers and other things.
              We have a large industrial center of large chemistry and metallurgy. Three plants were completely destroyed, without restoration ... though two of them were in the city limits and the whole population opposed them ... to remove a couple more to hell, people sighed with relief.
              The only factory everyone regrets is the defense factory of the electronics industry !!! By the way, my native factory, or rather ALL of our family ....
              for sure, they dragged them to salons and offices, stood almost in the center of the city.
              Now, a little slowed down, almost everything .... overstocking with finished products, but the warehouses are not rubber!
              So, they didn’t build a single large plant, that’s true, but they launched all that were preserved and built up a lot of little things. In the morning you’re going to the industrial zone ... or rather you’re crawling, because there are a lot of personal transport, as well as public transport, official transport, etc. People go to work!
              Do we have just that? In other places everywhere everything died?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 June 2020 14: 33
                0
                Ha, ha, ha ... here you are, colleague, you’re not writing everything as it is, let’s say, your opinion, your vision ... PLUS you from admirers!
                I write AS IS, albeit in a limited space available to me for observation, I have a MINUS ... probably also from "admirers" !!! Cool!
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 31
              -9
              These factories created back in the USSR were created to work in a planned economy — they cannot survive in a market economy, now they are surviving: high-tech, relative compactness, wastelessness, environmental friendliness, maximum productivity and profitability with a minimum of manufactured products — absolutely everything that Soviet enterprises never there wasn’t, therefore now and in the future everyone will build new factories, factories, etc. with a reference to the above. Industrial monsters are a thing of the past.
              1. depressant
                depressant 20 June 2020 16: 13
                +7
                Vadim, you want to say that planning eliminates the use of high technology? It remains to be wondered where in the USSR their own high technologies for that time came from, and production was built under them.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 June 2020 22: 03
                -8
                Yes, they all copied from the west from there, and what they couldn’t do was just buy it in the civilian sector, for the defense industry they bought high-processing machines in the west. Yes, the first atomic bomb RDS 1 its charge structure was copied from the Americans. A planned economy does not exclude the creation of technological solutions in design and production - but it impedes their rapid and massive implementation.
            3. 210ox
              210ox 20 June 2020 16: 36
              10
              In Smolensk there was such a production company "Iskra" It is by no means a monster, a plant and a subcontractor in the region. He produced computers. In the late 80s he mastered the production of personal computers analogous to IBM AT \ XT. First there was Iskra 1030, then Micro and Turbo. Why shouldn't high-tech production work in this super-profitable system? So no. He was ditched, having been taken apart into small firms "effective"
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 June 2020 22: 08
              -3
              Unfortunately, in competition with the original - his computers were in flight in the 90s and it happened so it closed because nobody needed the products of this plant.
            5. 210ox
              210ox 21 June 2020 16: 07
              +1
              But no, he was bought up by a cunning foreigner, together with the Vyazemsky graphite products factory, and quickly destroyed the production. Why not? And yes, but what? No one needed personal computers? Was it not purposeful elimination of strategically important industries?
  • 210ox
    210ox 20 June 2020 16: 28
    +7
    About hospitals. Nothing was "planned". Everything is done in fact, in haste and rush order. In the process of emergence of situations that are really critical for the country. Import substitution, a virus in that example. Well, it was not known that our Armed Forces are largely dependent on equipment from potential adversary countries, that we do not have production facilities that are necessary in urgent cases, that we are still critically dependent on the export of hydrocarbons. Yes, there are some shifts in the country's defense, but in general, the economy is on its way.
  • Alf
    Alf 20 June 2020 22: 25
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Their construction was planned at a later date. In connection with the virus they were built earlier.

    They built it, but how about it ... For some reason, the military had to deploy field hospitals. I wonder why, because officially all the sick places guaranteed?
  • SOVIET UNION 2
    SOVIET UNION 2 20 June 2020 11: 30
    11
    Covid was canceled and hospitals are not needed?
    Since today the loot is at the forefront, there is most likely the dough question! Successfully mastered the budget! So they made a profit! So the business is successful! Before Covid, the question of hospitals and clinics with staff and their salaries did not seem to be !? On the contrary! There was an optimization (reduction)! And the head of the country (through state programs) does not seem to raise the issue of improving the health of the nation! Medvedev has proclaimed education and medicine the sphere of services for which you have to pay! As the optimization guru said, all your illnesses are your fault! If you get sick, it's your own fault! So, look for the money for treatment yourself! By their logic, free hospitals are not really needed! We are building a very effective capitalism! The main thing is that ?! Economic efficiency! And what do free hospitals give? One loss! Do patients in them pay salaries to staff, utilities and hospital taxes, do they pay for medical equipment and medicines? According to current gurus, free medicine should be disposed of! After all, everything should bring loot! hi
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 June 2020 10: 30
    +7
    Quote: Boris55
    Blaming Putin for the spread of kronovirus, the recession in the global economy and blaming him for 70% -80% of our budget’s dependence on oil and gas revenues at the beginning of the century for up to 30%

    No need to dissemble!
    Table 1. Export of oil and oil products in 1980-1990

    Year Export, million tons Including:
    oil petroleum products
    million tons in% of the total million tons % to total
    1980 160,4 119,1 74,25 41,3 25,75
    1982 172,1 122,4 71,12 49,7 28,88
    1985 166,8 117,1 70,20 49,7 29,80
    1986 185,8 129,0 69,43 56,8 30,57
    1987 195,8 136,6 69,77 59,2 30,23
    1988 205,2 144,2 70,27 61,0 29,73
    1989 185,4 127,3 68,66 58,1 31,34
    1990 158,8 108,7 68,45 50,1 31,55
    Source: compiled by the author according to the data of the Statistical Yearbooks “National Economy of the USSR”.

    Table 2. Export of oil and oil products of the Russian Federation.

    Year Export, million tons Including:
    oil petroleum products
    million tons in% of the total million tons % to total
    2005 329,60 233,10 70,72 96,50 29,28
    2006 329,80 227,50 68,98 102,30 31,02
    2007 349,20 238,30 68,24 110,90 31,76
    2008 337,00 221,60 65,76 115,40 34,24
    2009 346,50 225,90 65,19 120,60 34,81
    2010 365,20 233,90 64,05 131,30 35,95
    2011 344,00 219,10 63,69 124,90 36,31
    2012 377,90 239,90 63,48 138,00 36,52
    2013 388,00 236,60 60,98 151,40 39,02
    2014 388,20 223,40 57,55 164,80 42,45
    2015 416,00 244,50 58,77 171,50 41,23
    Source: compiled by the author according to the FCS.
    As you can see, from the office. sources, nothing has changed over 30 years, and even more so, over the past 20 years! Stomping on the spot and nothing more.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 June 2020 10: 38
    13
    Quote: Boris55
    and blame him for the fact that he has 70% -80% of the dependence of our budget at the beginning of the century on oil and gas revenues up to 30% in the past - this is what you need to think of

    So why lie?
    Since 2006, the Ministry of Finance of Russia has been publishing “oil and gas revenues” of the federal budget, which have long been a basic indicator of the country's hydrocarbon dependence. In different years, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget, according to the Ministry of Finance, ranged from 36 to 51%, and last year amounted to 46%.
    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/08/2019/5d555e4b9a7947aed7a185de
    In 2000-2001, these revenues accounted for less than 10% of the budget.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 40
      -8
      These are oil and gas budget revenues - and in the structure of Russia's GDP, oil and gas occupies 19%. When they can create and produce high-tech products worth more than $ 240 billion, Russia will be able to create and produce, but in the IT sphere, the world market is no less than trillions of dollars. And in mechanical engineering, electronics are all jammed to the eye, and in a specific piece and small-scale production you can’t get far — vacuum chambers, induction furnaces, rocket engines, optical instruments, nuclear power plants, isotopes, spectrographs, etc.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 June 2020 19: 48
        +3
        I agree that we cannot compete in many areas. But production, albeit finely serial, is necessary. Just in case.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 June 2020 21: 39
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        and in the structure of Russia's GDP, oil and gas is 19%.

        Maybe less, but it was about the budget, not about GDP
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 20 June 2020 10: 42
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    Accuse Putin of spreading kronovirus,

    And who to blame? The machinations of Satan? The State Department? Evil neighbors from the outskirts? Or is it, coronovirus, simply God's punishment and we must humble ourselves? Kismet?
    With the introduction of normal quarantine, this whole story could be forgotten by early May. But ... It was necessary to show this courage, to take responsibility on yourself, and in general to work. Those. a list of what our dear guarantor has never done, does not, and will not do.
    Quote: Boris55
    that it is 70% -80% of the dependence of our budget at the beginning of the century on oil and gas revenues up to 30% in the past

    Actually, Sechin, or the left hand, or the right heel of Mr. Guarantor, stated that Rosneft alone transferred more than 3,6 trillion rubles in taxes to the budget. Those. almost 20% of the budget. But there are also excise taxes with duties, and the launch vehicle is not the only thing that we are farmed with oil. Are you so openly accusing Mr. Putin and his slanderers of lies?
    1. Far B
      Far B 20 June 2020 10: 54
      +8
      Pu had normal quarantine) Posan spent two months in the bunker, and the fact that he didn’t constantly change his shirts was garbage. I also wear black, Schaub was imperceptibly, like the collar of a Pachman)))
  • Hyperborean
    Hyperborean 20 June 2020 10: 58
    +3
    It's strange .. Well, about 30% dependence .. That's because the slightest fluctuation in the price of oil-gas instantly leads to a state of shock and paralysis our government, the ruble exchange rate, the economy, the population ..., or vice versa, when prices rise, everyone comes to a state euphoria .. Regarding mortality from coronavirus: how many people live to old age? After all, the main "group of suicide bombers" is the elderly .. It is probably blasphemous to say: but we just have few candidates for high mortality statistics ..
  • alone
    alone 20 June 2020 12: 47
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Thanks to which we have the best environment in the world for kronovirus. ABOUT

    Ie Iron third in the list is considered the best situation in the world? Congenially ..
    Do you yourself believe in what they said, or is it such an installation, to praise everything and indiscriminately?
    7,5-8 thousand infected every day and 150+ dead - this is the best situation fellow
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 June 2020 13: 52
    12
    Quote: Boris55
    Thanks to which we have the best environment in the world for kronovirus.

    you have a fever! Google and compare with other countries.
    "Risk group: Coronavirus killed almost 500 doctors in Russia
    Why, according to statistics, the mortality rate of doctors from COVID-19 is low, but in fact one of the highest in the world"- Head of Roszdravnadzor Alla Samoilova
    https://svpressa.ru/society/article/268660/
    I am writing from a covert hospital laughing
    1. depressant
      depressant 21 June 2020 09: 11
      +3
      I support, Dr. Sylvester. Yesterday I compared the US and our schedules of infection and mortality. Type of graphs - one to one! Yes, we have half the infection rate and mortality rate. But the population is half as much! Mentally increasing our population by half, we get a state disaster.
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 21 June 2020 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    oil and gas revenues up to 30% nonce

    The share of oil and gas revenues of the Russian budget in the first half of the year amounted to 45,6%. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/40552551/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink(https://finance.rambler.ru)
    Quote: Boris55
    Thanks to which we have the best environment in the world for kronovirus.

    It would be nice if so. We are somewhere in a heart. Even in India, with its population, there are even fewer sick people.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 June 2020 09: 14
    11
    Everything will be fine, they told me about it yesterday ... smile
  • janeck
    janeck 20 June 2020 09: 26
    -18 qualifying.
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    What happened ... Nothing good. The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..


    do you really consider my country to be a commodity economy ?? a country that has the economic potential that allows it to build nuclear and hydroelectric power plants. a country that is exploring space, and whose spaceships ply in space, and carries astronauts "our partners" on their ships? yes .. we have a lag and decline in production due to the well-known events in the 90s .. but to call Russia a raw material country, you got excited!
    - Have you picked up this cliche from the Western media ??
    1. Far B
      Far B 20 June 2020 09: 33
      15
      What are you furrowing in space, sorry, didn’t hear? Besides the export of astronauts (not astronauts), what else is the current space industry of the country famous for? Atomic potential? We are building Akkuyu for Turkey for our loans. Well, Turkey is poor. Will give? I believe that in 2034 Putin will write off this debt. Don't get used to
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 June 2020 14: 57
        10
        By the way, seven Turkish companies insolently refused to pay off the debt to Gazprom for supplies. More than $ 2 billion. And Gazprom itself, already unprofitable last year, and this year beyond all measure, having received from the state 100 billion rubles of "perpetual loan", is going to pay lavish dividends to the holders of its shares. What kind of capitalism is this? Previously, it was thought that the debtor is bankrupt and at least does not pay dividends. But come on ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 20 June 2020 09: 35
      15
      What do you nod to the 90s? More than twenty years have passed. These 90s will remain as long as in Yekaterinburg there will be an alcoholic center. How many years after the terrible war did our country go into space?
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 20 June 2020 09: 56
        -4
        Maybe at first it was necessary to sew normal pants in the required quantity for the population?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 43
          -6
          Poshey - the population will buy one hell of a foreign brand because with your tailoring they will cost the same.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 June 2020 09: 39
      13
      it's cliche
      And your cliche from pro-Kremlin resources. which is better? Nuclear and hydroelectric power stations, space. All this is the legacy of an ancient civilization called the Soviet Union. But your say there was no such country.
      And the 90s were needed for the transition from socialism to capitalism
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 20 June 2020 09: 57
        -9
        Such a country was.
        It was not the one you are talking about.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 20 June 2020 10: 13
        15
        But your say there was no such country.
        ... They said it was and did exclusively, only galoshes for African countries and everything. They didn’t fly into space, they didn’t build atomic icebreakers, etc. All real successes have been achieved over the past 30 years. laughing This is probably the historical truth that will be spelled out in the Constitution and apparently this historical truth is advertised by Yu.Mikhalkov ..
    4. Professor
      Professor 20 June 2020 09: 47
      15
      Quote: Janek
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      What happened ... Nothing good. The commodity economy in the 21st century cannot feel good, well, at least you crack ..


      Do you really consider my country with a commodity economy ?? a country that has an economic potential, which allows her to build nuclear and hydroelectric power plants. a country that is exploring space, and whose spaceships ply in space, and carries astronauts "our partners" on their ships? yes .. we have a lag and decline in production due to the well-known events in the 90s .. but to call Russia a raw material country, you got excited!
      - Have you picked up this cliche from the Western media ??
      fellow
      However, the exchange rate of the national currency is directly related to the price of hydrocarbons. And what about "potential"? Potential, yes !!!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 46
        -8
        Fast money here and now - a strong ruble is not profitable for our economy for exporters even more so.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 June 2020 18: 21
          12
          Quote: Vadim237
          Fast money here and now - a strong ruble is not profitable for our economy for exporters even more so.

          Exactly. The Russian economy is "profitable" by the low purchasing power of the population with an average wage of $ 300 (between Algeria and Kyrgyzstan) and an average pension of $ 214 (in Denmark, $ 3087). Nobel Prize in Economics in the studio.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 June 2020 22: 18
            -7
            Lower ruble exchange rates, cheaper products on the international market, higher competition, more exports, more money in ruble terms to the country, higher purchasing power of the population - and vice versa, expensive imported products within the country are again an incentive for domestic producers. - So the Shnobel Prize in Economics is sent to you.
            1. Liam
              Liam 20 June 2020 22: 23
              +7
              Quote: Vadim237
              Below is the ruble exchange rate

              Higher import costs,% of bank loans are rising, inflation is accelerating, prices are constantly rising, real incomes are falling. Learn the materiel, Solon
            2. Professor
              Professor 21 June 2020 18: 14
              +6
              Quote: Vadim237
              Below is the ruble exchange rate, cheaper products on the international market,

              Only for countries such as China, Japan and Germany that supply "sea" of industrial products for export. For countries trading in raw materials, this is not relevant.

              Quote: Vadim237
              higher competition, more exports more money in ruble terms to the country, higher purchasing power of the population -

              Let's get a dollar for 1000 rubles. The average salary in the Russian Federation will be $ 10 per month, but your purchasing power will be higher than the clouds, competition is beyond competition. In short, the economy will bloom in you. Admit you are an economist? Sarbon, Harvard?
              1. Alf
                Alf 21 June 2020 21: 13
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Admit you are an economist? Sarbon, Harvard?

                HSE
              2. Liam
                Liam 21 June 2020 21: 26
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Sarbon, Harvard?

                Take higher. Olgino
    5. rocket757
      rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 02
      -13 qualifying.
      How many people, so many opinions.
      The main thing is that the foreign countries have stirred a lot, they are making serious efforts, REAL, to prevent our country from developing .... they’re just afraid if you look closely.
      Yes, we have a lot of things that are not good, especially in the social sphere, all the same, capitalism is not sugar, but the country is moving forward ... the pace, of course, leaves much to be desired, but they are afraid of this beyond the hill.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 June 2020 10: 24
        +7
        Previously, they feared socialism in the USSR, now capitalism in Russia ... laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 28
          -4
          They are simply afraid of peoples who are strong in spirit and faith precisely in MYSELF, and not in some kind of fairy tales and other dregs that all those warlords carry.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 20 June 2020 10: 38
            +3
            hi Parallel to the big world in which big people and big things live, there is a small world with small people and small things. In the big world, a diesel engine was invented, “Dead Souls” were written, the Volkhov Hydroelectric Station was built, a flight was made around the world. In the small world, the screaming bubble “Go away-go away” was invented, the song “Bricks” was written and the pants of the “Predpri” style were built. In a big world, people are driven by the desire to do good to humanity. The small world is far from such high matters. The inhabitants of this world have one desire - to somehow live without hunger. Small people rush for the big ones. They understand that they must be in tune with the era, and only then can their merchant find a market. In Soviet times, when ideological strongholds were created in the big world, revival is seen in the small world. Under all the petty inventions of the ant world, the granite base of the communist ideology is brought. Chamberlain is depicted on the Go away-go bubble, very similar to the way it is painted in Izvestia. In popular songs, a smart locksmith, in order to achieve the love of the Komsomol member, restores the plant in three refrains. And while there is a furious discussion in the big world about the design of a new way of life, in the small world everything is ready: there is a tie “Dream of the proletarian poet”, a sweatshirt “Gladkovka”, a plaster figurine “Bathing collective farmer” and ladies' cork armpits “Love of labor bees” .. ... This small world defeated the Bolshoi in 1991 ... and it exists beautifully now .. And today's Russia lives in this world and this small world is afraid of the West ...?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 46
              0
              Do you think that BIG WORLD has dematerialized completely and forever?
              With a small, as you wrote, the world they have graters, carve-up, but they will agree in the end .... but in the country, for now, the request for what you called the "big world" remained. Here is his revival, all sorts of small and others, they are afraid first of all.
              Nothing really ended.
              Only time can show, prove who and what is worth.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 20 June 2020 14: 42
            +8
            So, in your opinion, the foreign villains are to blame for everything? Good. They were for all 70 years of the existence of the USSR. Something does not fit. The USSR was successfully developing.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 June 2020 14: 57
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              So, in your opinion, the foreign villains are to blame for everything?

              To whom is the question then?
              I think that the USSR can be considered a big world ... although dynamite, diesel was not invented in it, "Dead Souls" were written before it, in that country a lot of CREATIVE and IMPORTANT things were done for all mankind.
              According to others ... it's their business.
  • 210ox
    210ox 20 June 2020 09: 28
    13
    "The government tried on behalf of the president ..." Yes, on the ground they want to and turn back. An example is the postponement for six months of the terms of medical examination-examination for the disabled. Krasnodar Territory - sabotage. A woman in the midst of a pandemic had to knock out a red pass, drags on to Krasnodar for doctors with all the consequences. The same is with the automatic renewal of social. payments. The Kremlin lives on another planet.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 June 2020 09: 36
      +7
      The Kremlin lives on another planet.
      .... With Rogozin, you cannot live on another planet ... smile
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 20 June 2020 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      "The government tried on behalf of the president ...".
      Dima, prYuvet. "Well, I didn't, I didn't." So I keep thinking, is our government a mare or a nag? request
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 20 June 2020 09: 59
    +7
    Right.
    There are we, and there is Russian GDP on another planet ....
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 June 2020 10: 19
    +9
    What happened to the Russian economy since the beginning of 2020: events and indicators

    One would have to ask: “A was there a boy was it - this economy? ”
    Let's look at federal budgets starting in 2000. They were in short supply (excess of expenses over income) in 2009 - 2018. This suggests that the country's economy "torn" ten years ago. Since 2019, the budget of the Russian Federation becomes surplus. The budgets for 2020-2021 were planned in surplus, but in 2020 the coronavirus pandemic made adjustments.
    An amazing coincidence with such scarce budgets is that the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation at that time is recognized as the best head of the Central Bank; first, Golikova, and then Kudrin, are talking about misuse of funds and an unused trillion rubles. It was at this time that the capitalization of Russian banks was underway (due to what and for what reason?)
    And what's important:
    In 2000, in the Russian Federation there were 5-7 dollar billionaires, in 2008 - 87, today there are 110 !!!
    Now about the 2020 economy:
    During the coronavirus pandemic, the overall fortune of dollar billionaires from Russia grew by $ 62 billion, Forbes reports citing its counter, which estimates changes in real time.

    Who has not signed up for Russian oligarchs yet? Who else will talk about the successes of the Russian economy?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 June 2020 10: 29
      +8
      Who has not signed up for Russian oligarchs yet? Who else will talk about the successes of the Russian economy?
      .. And where is the oligarchs being recorded? Who, for example, is the extreme oligarchs? No one ?! So I will be the first! .. As an oligarch, then I’ll shut myself up - first thing, first thing ... what is the first thing? Ah, the piano! And then a hundred is this zyzn, without a piano? laughing
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 June 2020 12: 18
        +5
        Quote: parusnik
        Who is here, for example, in the extreme oligarchs?

        Appreciated! good
    2. depressant
      depressant 20 June 2020 12: 08
      10
      Colleague ROSS 42, the economic "strain" in the form of lack of development, which has been especially noticeable in the last 6 years, is not accidental, it was planned to pump the National Welfare Fund. The excess fund will be spent on the implementation of national projects, in which Putin sees a panacea for all economic ills. You can't take it from the budget, he's skinny. I had to save money in a fund, as in a stocking or under a pillow. Well, or like in a wallet that you always carry with you. And when a surplus accumulates, for which the Central Bank and the IMF will not give in hand, then that surplus can be spent on what is needed. Putin sees no other way to transform our colonial economy into a space for economic development.
      And here it causes concern: what will they spend on? I believe that in the context of rapidly changing global and economic priorities, as well as new challenges generated by the economy of our own state, the sequence of implementation of national projects and even the replacement of one with another should change. Or at least a symbiosis. For example, in the framework of the infrastructure project, the expensive construction of a toll road around Krasnodar is planned, and no one bothered to explain why this is necessary. Meanwhile, we have old railway bridges falling. Why not include the repair of such facilities in the national infrastructure project? But this is unlikely. Rotenberg repair is not interesting. The Krasnodar road project, apparently, is intended to realize the ambitions of this gentleman, and not what the country really needs. And so in everything ...
      As for the assessment of the state of our economy by year (from May 2019 to May 2020), as required by the Author, the assessment is deplorable. For six years, the economy has narrowed to growth in the form of a statistical error, and now it is proposed to compare with this bottom. Well, they struck, which is already there.
      Housing commissioning decreased by 24,4%
      Prom. production - by 9,6%
      The volume of paid services to the population - by 39,5%
      Retail turnover - 19,2%
      And so on.
      In general, while we dive. Some economists already see the second bottom, others see how it will be broken by the fall. What is there to talk about?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 June 2020 12: 41
        +6
        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        Recently, I have the impression that the government has squandered its ardor of creation. Whatever industry you take, there are significant flaws and shortcomings everywhere that cross out the relevance of the idea and the importance of the purpose of the action. Almost like Raikin:

        All the time, they poke us in the face “to death with sewn buttons,” various armholes and sleeves, but in general the costume is sewn to the bath corner.
        The main indicator of the incapacity of our production, the HSE indicator of our economy is ETERNAL INFLATION !!!
        You can’t live like that, realizing that after a half to two dozen years everything turns to dust. All these national projects showed their viability in March-April, when the country was dumbfounded by the virus. Now we have come to the most important parameter, because of which for a quarter of a century we “do not breed and stomp behind Portugal” - the constitution does not correspond to the tasks that the country and the government have a “constitutional guarantor”. Any person who tells us that it is the absence of “amendments” that prevented him from feeling like a full-fledged citizen of Russia looks vile.
        I immediately have questions for such people like: "The Oktyabryatsky asterisk does not pierce chest with rays?" or "Pioneer tie at night does not press on the neck? Does the badge not fry the heel with tongues of flame? ” or "The party ticket of a member of the CPSU on the table is not rustling?"
        Adults pretend that everything is fine, everything is fine. There was no better rower in Russia, and there is no substitute for him. But in life, everything happens according to a different scenario. But I know for sure that with a change of government in the country, these people will cherish today's leadership just as they spit on part of the Soviet period. in which they had a chance to live.
        Do not worry! Health to you.
        hi
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 50
        -8
        I very much doubt that saving annually from oil 2,5 trillion rubles with the transfer of oil to the NWF would significantly accelerate the growth of the economy.
        1. depressant
          depressant 21 June 2020 08: 42
          +3
          I doubt it too, Vadim. On the one hand, national projects were just a propaganda action for the people, they say, we are doing something, we are trying, and if this is so, then there will be a result with a plus sign. On the other hand, there is an opportunity to profit from "friends" participating in the implementation of projects (there is still a lot of money there). On the third, for example, in terms of the infrastructure project, which is going first, there is competition with the southern Silk Road and an implicit offer to the Chinese to use our more northern one in the form of the Russian Railways being renovated. Fourthly, it is possible that the president himself was delusional. The Soviet planning style from the 60s of the last century does not fit modern, rapidly changing realities. We have computers, the Internet and, I suppose, modeling - something that did not exist in the USSR. But is there a group of scientific forecasters? The brother of Deputy Prime Minister Belousov is engaged in "predictions" within his organization. But we do not need forecasts proceeding from the existing circumstances as an unshakable given, we need a complex model of how to change these realities in order to crawl out of all this shit into which we have fallen. How to find the end of the rope that you pull, and everything will be untied.
          National projects should be built and named differently than the president presented them. For example, the annexation of Crimea should have gone straight away as a separate national project "Crimea". Namely: the bridge, electrification, watering - in the complex. Not patching up holes along the way. And Prime Minister Medvedev was supposed to do this. So ... Did this man do anything?
          And in general, do we have experts in political economy? Previously, I did not understand what kind of beast this is - political economy. I believe that in the current era, political economy should predict the economic consequences of political steps with conclusions, as a skillful economy to neutralize the compulsion of politics. Entire institutions must work in this direction. There are institutes, the results are zero.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 June 2020 11: 40
    0
    "Economy" is calculated in rubles, dollars or in physical terms?
    But still, “what happened to the Russian economy” is good news.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 June 2020 15: 56
      -7
      Our economy is considered in rubles, PPP GDP - the most important indicator in the whole world is net profit for the year.
  • Vladyak2000
    Vladyak2000 20 June 2020 11: 44
    11
    Everything is so good in the Russian economy that the Ministry of Finance has classified the GDP values ​​for May.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 20 June 2020 12: 39
    +4
    What happened to the Russian economy since the beginning of 2020: events and indicators

    Yes, for 30 years there has been only one trend, a steady and confident decline in citizens' incomes, together with a steady and inflation-rising price increase.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 June 2020 12: 43
      +7
      Quote: FIR FIR
      trend one

      We used to live poorly. And then we were robbed.
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 20 June 2020 12: 47
        +6
        We used to live poorly

        Well, in schools and kindergartens they didn’t take money from children for food ...
        And then we were robbed.

        And continue
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  • seacap
    seacap 20 June 2020 13: 28
    +7
    It is corny that there is not enough intelligence and lack of creativity to solve these problems, and "effective" managers have already shown how they can manage their industries and the economy on the example of the Norilsk world catastrophe, which will haunt us for more than a dozen, or even hundreds of years, but surrender a hostile power for personal preferences of the aluminum industry, created by the labor of the Soviet people and for some reason ended up under foreign control and ownership. And, of course, the "property of the republic", turned by "effective" management into continuous billions of losses, which belongs to the people, only so far it is in the depths, and then the people have nothing to do with it, which is left with only bills and losses. T.N. a business built on the foundation of lies, crime, betrayal and various schemes, the complete irresponsibility of the country's leadership and the government for the outcome of the decisions made, nepotism, complete incompetence, how a philologist can manage an oil concern or a journalist can replace the Queen, etc., mutual responsibility, and sometimes direct sabotage, serving the interests of overseas masters, leaves no chance of hope for the successful development of the country and society. The "upper parasitic class" was created to destroy the country, not to create, by its actions only causes hatred, at best bewilderment of the people, more like a colonial administration, not national leadership.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 June 2020 16: 00
      -8
      And when this Norilsk spill became a "World Catastrophe" before Fukushima and the fire on the BP oil platform in 2010 - ours is like before the Moon in this regard.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 June 2020 15: 10
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Dalny V
    You are as much a Bolshevik as I am Maya Plisetskaya. Your views are those of Martov.

    It depends on what you mean by the term Bolshevism.

    "...Bolshevismas the history of the CPSU teaches, arose in 1903 * g. at the II Congress of the RSDLP as one of the party factions. According to his opponents, the Bolsheviks until 1917 * g. never represented the real majority of the members of the Marxist party, and therefore opponents of the Bolsheviks in those years always opposed their self-designation. But such an opinion stemmed from a misunderstanding by the diverse Mensheviks of the essence of Bolshevism.

    Bolshevism - This is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not party affiliation. And the “Jewish Bolshevism" used by Hitler in Mine Campf is completely meaningless, since Bolshevism is a phenomenon of the spirit of Russian civilization, and not the spirit of the bearers of the doctrine of biblical global slavery on a racial basis.
    Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, somehow it exists today. It will continue to exist.

    As stated by the Bolsheviks members of the Marxist party of the RSDLP * (b), it was they who expressed in politics the strategic interests of the working majority of the population of multinational Russia, as a result of which only they had the right to be called Bolsheviks. Regardless of how infallible the Bolsheviks are in expressing the strategic interests of the labor majority, how much this majority is aware of its strategic interests and true to them in life, the essence of Bolshevism is not the numerical superiority of the adherents of certain ideas over the adherents of other ideas and the thoughtless crowd, namely this:

    in a sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who wants no one to parasitize on his work and life. In other words, historically, in every era, the essence of Bolshevism is in the active support of the transition process from the historically established crowd of “elitism” to the multinational humanity of the Earth of the future era ... "

    Can you tell me the original source of this ... "research"? winked I want to get acquainted in detail. lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 June 2020 15: 12
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Dalny V
    Well, remind. With a footnote that I found the 90s in a conscious age

    So how do those years look like these years? Homeless people at train stations, homeless on heating mains, spontaneous flea markets at which people sell the latter - much to see?

    The question is, where did these people suddenly disappear - become the middle class, millionaires? sad
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 June 2020 15: 49
      -7
      Those who did not drink bitter, with a greater degree of probability, live normally. Well, and who is kvasil is the evil Pinocchio to himself.
  • Kolin
    Kolin 20 June 2020 15: 24
    -10 qualifying.
    It seems that the left comrades sincerely believe that in a similar situation, the Soviet economy would not have sat on its ass. What naive comrades.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 June 2020 16: 02
    +5
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Those who did not drink bitter, with a greater degree of probability, live normally. Well, and who is kvasil is the evil Pinocchio to himself.

    I will not tease Zarathustra, therefore I express myself diplomatically - you are cunning. All those categories that Boris55 enumerated — they almost all died out, and street children grew up, and became mainly regulars in correctional institutions. Here is the result. sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 June 2020 22: 21
      -6
      In your fantasies they became extinct.
  • Alexey Polyakh
    Alexey Polyakh 20 June 2020 22: 35
    +2
    Land, 20 acres (2000 sq.m. (two thousand square meters)) - to each adult Citizen. Muscovite - in MOSCOW. A resident of St. Petersburg - in PETERSBURG. Etc. Land, in the amount of 1 (one) piece, With the possibility of exchange for other cities. For the construction of a residential building and the arrangement of gardening ... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications ....
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 June 2020 22: 44
    +9
    Quote: Vadim237
    In your fantasies they became extinct.

    How is it? And in yours they became millionaires? Thousands of people in the 90s who were fired from their jobs because city-forming enterprises were destroyed throughout the country. The workers, the engineering staff were actually thrown into the street. Collective farms and state farms were liquidated. The "optimization" of the military, medicine, and education also joined the ranks of the unemployed. Here is the social composition (and it is incomplete) of persons without a definite place of residence, who, due to certain circumstances, and more often as a result of the actions of fraudsters, and even murderers, were deprived of apartments and other living space, and as a result only a few of them survived. There was a real genocide of the population. And I hope that someday someone will answer in full for this! sad
    1. depressant
      depressant 21 June 2020 10: 08
      +2
      Colleague, I would add: irresistible circumstances supported by current inhuman laws. There is such a concept - an irresistible circumstance. I believe that we will have to face the irresistible circumstances this fall. Yes, in the last crisis of 2008 in my village, a person digging in a garbage can was a familiar detail of the landscape. As women and even men begging near the shops were accustomed to, like bags of groceries being snatched from their hands, there is a shortage of both. Swindlers wandering around the entrances ("You open the door for us, we can't talk through the door, but what we offer you really need!"), Swindlers who come up to you on the street and perfectly own ways to fool your head and embezzle your money, crowds of gypsies doing the same, burning private cars and municipal utility equipment, burning institutions, the impotence of the police, fear at night - all this happened. In a small village ...
      Signs of the return of the crisis were outlined last fall in the form of a publicly expressed fear of the future, gloomy mood of all, an isolated case of a seized bag of food and the resumption of digging in garbage bins. An active outflow of cash from banks under pillows and stockings has already been outlined. Few people take loans, massive defaults on the previous ones, banks suffocate without cash, Nabiullina lowers the rate. In my village crowds of declassed elements appeared, pestering passers-by, demanding a cigarette, an old woman from the first floor of my house broke a window, tried to climb in, defended herself. Daily family quarrels of neighbors, increased aggression of passers-by, decent people appeared from Moscow, the regional and district centers - here rented apartments are cheaper ...
      Still to come. They say this crisis is for a decade.
  • Grading
    Grading 22 June 2020 18: 53
    0
    Quote: businessv
    Quote: Grading
    Technology is much more expensive. In 2019, the global market for information and communication technologies (ICT) reached $ 3,74 trillion, an increase of 0,5% compared to 2018.

    So what? In order to promote information and communication do not need material products? If you do not see the factory chimneys from the window, this does not mean that you live in the most technologically advanced country! This means that everything you need is delivered to you from a truly technologically advanced country that does not depend on imports and people in which work at their enterprises, and do not go to earn money over a hill! You wrote a cheer post that you don’t need to produce anything, you need to deal with advanced technologies, including ICT, but you haven’t highlighted that, for example, root DNS servers are state-controlled. By releasing the tangible products that its consumers need, the owner of the enterprise that produces these products has an effect on consumers and should not be neglected. I wrote that the service sector does not saturate a market in which there is no material production - because if there is no material, then the service market will shrink at times!

    Substitution without loss of quality does not exist; this is a myth; there are no countries producing the entire list of consumed goods. Development, research centers, this production can always be anywhere, but it does not change much the example of the Intel factory?

    Intel has production facilities globally including:
    USA.
    Ireland
    Malaysia
    Costa Rica
    China
    Without the technologies being developed in the Silicon Valley in the USA, these plants are not that tomorrow it is possible to transfer production to almost anywhere in the world. Those who wish will stand in line!
    But the extraction of raw materials for such industries is already almost the fate of third world countries.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 2 July 2020 10: 32
    -1
    Everything will grow, except material production. Great success!