Amendment of the Russian language: arguments and facts

Ask me how the army website is related to the Russian language amendment, and I will answer with the words of Stalin. The most important thing for an officer is to know and understand the Russian language: the outcome of the battle depends on his knowledge, how you give the order and how the soldiers understand it.

They say that few people read the Constitution of 1993 in the Russian Federation, they say that very few people have carefully studied the current amendments.

But recently on TV I heard arguments in favor of the amendment about the Russian language and decided to read it.

What argument did I hear on TV in defense of the amendment?

"The Russian language and even Russian literature is a world heritage."

You can’t argue with that. There was great Russian literature. It is read in the world, many contemporary authors are published abroad, and this is good, however, the last world-famous Russian writer, Eduard Limonov, has gone into a different world, but we have a great heritage.

Russian was actually a world language; according to the UN Charter, it is in the top five world languages ​​now. There was the USSR, which provided this with all its might, having a huge number of allies around the world, having priority in many areas of science and technology, which naturally stimulated interest in the Russian language. Now there is neither this state, nor its military and economic power, nor world scientific achievements and breakthrough technologies, but it was so, one cannot argue with that either.

"The Russian language is the property of other nations."

And again the argument from stories, not from today. Of course, there are the words of another great Russian poet, V.V. Mayakovsky:

... I would learn Russian only because Lenin spoke to them.

The Russian language became especially attractive to other peoples when the light of freedom, which indicates how to free oneself from colonialism and exploitation, was shined from Soviet Russia.

And when the country after 1991 entered the capitalist system as a raw materials appendage (and sits there to this day), then interest in the Russian language plummeted, the world of the Russian language cringes constantly.

But the key argument for the amendment was also somewhat dumbfounded. It was as if I had been returned during the time of perestroika, and I hear and read again and again that Russian literature was written by non-Russians. How is it, the Normans wrote it to us in runes?

“Non-Russian” writers wrote Russian literature, they created the Russian modern language, according to the author of the arguments. This is Pushkin, Derzhavin, Lermontov, Dahl - and this speaks in favor of the fact that ... the amendment is very necessary!

Without contesting the second, I object to the first.

Pushkin, according to the author of the arguments, it turns out that he is arap, he directly came directly from Abyssinia.

“The sun of our poetry”, “our everything”, part-time founder of the modern Russian language, of course, was the great-grandson of the arap of Peter the Great, but he himself was Russian.

Yes, I knew the French language from childhood, like all wealthy nobles, but was Russian from its very roots, wanted to escape to fight the French!

The poet was raised in a Russian noble family, fed by the Russian nanny Arina Rodionovna far from the Ethiopian desert.

But then, it turns out, Derzhavin is a Tatar, so he jumped straight from the Crimea, well, let's get an ode to write with a hexameter:

What are you starting a war song for?
Flute like, cute snigir?
With whom do we go to war with Hyena?
Who is our leader now? Who is the hero?
Strong where, brave, quick Suvorov?
The thunder of the North lies in the coffin.

The ancestors of Gabriel Romanovich Derzhavin were Tatars, but when he wrote his works, he was an absolute Russian.

Although, as has been repeatedly indicated in the scientific literature, the feudal estate was formed on local soil, with the involvement of foreign elements, this element could never be decisive.

It is known that the nobles invented the founders of surnames to add kindness, often raising their family tree to foreigners. What is already in the nineteenth century. caused laughter:

... says
That letter: "Tatar
Obolt Obolduyev
Good sukontsa is given,
At the price of two rubles:
Wolves and foxes
He entertained the empress
On the day of the royal name day
Let the wild bear down
With his and Oboldueva
He ripped off the bear ...

So, Ivan IV bred himself from Augustus, and the first Romanovs from the Romans - Roma!

So the “Arap of Peter the Great”, a slave boy, was presented to Peter, and only on Russian soil he was brought up, and he could become anshen-general, military godson of the “Russian Mars” Sasha Suvorov. But it was the Russian soil that created the conditions and opportunities for foreigners to prove themselves, whether it be Tatar, Arap, “German French” or “German Scot,” as they wrote in the XNUMXth century.

Then M. Yu. Lermontov also got it. More correctly, his pedigree was involved as a justification. It is difficult to argue with the author of the arguments for the amendments: the Scotsman is undoubtedly a Scotsman!

As the poet himself wrote:

And there is no lie here, as in the fact that we are Varangians.

And how he, the “Scotsman”, wrote in the same poem:

Moscow, Moscow! .. I love you as a son,
Like a Russian, it’s strong, fiery and gentle!
I love the sacred brilliance of your gray hair
And this Kremlin is serrated, serene.

And, of course, the “Dane” Vladimir Dal, who was born in Lugansk. As you know, Lugansk is the birthplace of the Danes.

The author of the arguments for the constitutional article on the Russian language may not be aware that there is a huge difference in origin and essence. You can be a native Danish, but essentially Russian, and vice versa, native Russian and non-Russian in essence. The same M. Yu. Lermontov wrote about his hero Grushnitsky that he possessed some kind of non-Russian courage. And to whom, if not the outgoing officer Lermontov, to understand this.

Summing up, I will say that a very weak argument is given. The arguments of "the time of Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea" did not take into account fatal errors in the language of the last years of the USSR and errors of national policy in the Russian Federation.

Based on this argument, it can be argued that there is Russian literature and there are writers who write in Russian, but they do not belong to Russian literature.

Legal documents should be distinguished by extreme clarity and clarity, in legal documents, for example, in contrast to the literary language, the repetition of words is allowed if it is required for clarity and understanding of this legal document.

The message of argumentation on TV is understandable, but not scientifically substantiated. Other ethnic groups can take part in the formation of the ethnos, linguistic borrowings constantly occur, but national literature and language cannot be created by foreigners, even the authors of the period of the collapse of the Roman Empire, despite their origin, were in most cases brought up within the Roman state and language.

The development of the Russian ethnos, and even more so the language, is an original process, however, as with many other peoples of Russia. But the people who created the Russian state and civilization are unique and comparable only with similar world civilizations:

... forever rallied great Russia.

And this fact is scientific.

Here the words of the great master of the Russian word I. S. Turgenev, which I remember from school, come to mind, they sound like a prayer:

In the days of doubt, in the days of painful thoughts about the fate of my homeland, you are my one support and support, oh great, powerful, truthful and free Russian language! Do not be you - how not to fall into despair at the sight of everything that happens at home? But one cannot believe that such a language should not be given to a great people!

And the argument that Pushkin, Lermontov, Derzhavin and Dahl are the “non-Russian” creators of the modern Russian language and literature is not only weak, unscientific, but also extremely incorrect for a chaotic and legally fuzzy amendment, all the more so in it the mysterious state-forming people are not named.

Comments

[parusnik]

Eduard, Eduard ... all the documents and laws in our country are made by "C grade students" ... Look what they did with education ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: parusnik

all documents and laws in our country are made by "C grade" ...

Holy simplicity - they are excellent students. They perform their tasks perfectly well, you just need to understand that their true tasks are different and different from those voiced.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: parusnik

all documents and laws in our country are made by "C grade" ...

Holy simplicity - they are excellent students. They perform their tasks perfectly well, you just need to understand that their true tasks are different and different from those voiced.

In my opinion, it’s clear to everyone that their task is as simple as a carrot .. to make the majority of the population an uneducated herd that is easy to manipulate .. Gref talks about this without hesitation.
And they successfully cope with this task. Thus, depriving for many years the development opportunities of Russia.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Svarog

... make the majority of the population an uneducated herd that is easy to manipulate.

1989 year. Moscow, the entire population with a good Soviet education! And the whole country at the screens ... As you definitely said - they made the population an uneducated herd, which they manipulated to the fullest, then the herd began to grow wiser ... The herd grew wiser so much that it began to express displeasure !!!! And when it was stupid, this herd was silent in a rag ...

[Svarog]

1989 year. Moscow, the entire population with a good Soviet education! And the whole country is at the screens ... wassat wassat As you definitely said - they made the population an uneducated herd, which they manipulated in full, then the herd began to grow wiser ..

In difficult times, when uncertainty in life and when everything changes overnight, the old way of life collapses, and it is not clear how to live in a new way, even among educated people, there may be a need for a "miracle" .. Although I do not justify them, I remember perfectly performances of these clowns, but in my family and my acquaintances, except for sarcasm, these tricks caused nothing. I think that such stressful psychological manifestations cannot be an indicator of education, rather it is from the sphere of psychology .. But the fact that modern children read an order of magnitude less, that they do not know history and, in general, are less educated is a fact, I think even you will not argue with that. Of course, we can say that in those days there were enough bad luck .. The only problem is that in those days there was a choice, but now there is none. Now those who have money and who do not have a choice have a choice, in the near future they will receive education remotely. That will significantly reduce / weed out the percentage of gifted children, not allowing their talent to reveal itself, which will ultimately affect our science, medicine ... in general, all spheres of life. This is happening anyway, you can compare how many high-profile discoveries and real breakthroughs were in the USSR and now.

[Taga]

Not only may there be a need for a "miracle", but some citizens may have a belief in the supernatural. What a violent color all kinds of sects bloomed in those years ...

[NordUral]

Thus, depriving for many years the opportunities for the development of Russia.

They successfully cope with the murder of Russia, Svarog. And they can do it if we don’t wake up.

[Civil]

And it started .... noodles through the pipes

[Far B]

Yes, as if not disputing the general meaning, the article is also a C grade. I judge as a journal with a quarter century of experience. Firstly, there are not five, but six international languages ​​at the UN: English, French, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Chinese. Secondly,

in the progeny of Gavril Romanovich Derzhavin

I suppose, after all, in the ancestors? No, well, seriously, as an editor, I would return the article to the author for revision. Damp. Very damp.

[Sergey39]

Quote: Dalny V

Yes, as if not disputing the general meaning, the article is also a C grade

And where did the author dug up these "arguments"? Didn't hear it once until I read it in this article.

[NordUral]

magazine with quarter century experience

But you are not even a threesome.
The author made a reservation to the semantic mistake.

[snake]

In order for the Russian language to be in demand, respected and desirable to study, you need to produce (forgive me, Russian language) suitable content. Something like: movies, books, songs, etc. We need a strong economy, culture and art. On the ISS, the main language of communication is Russian (although the official language is English). If worthy, honest, competent people were at the head of Roscosmos in Russia, then this alone would be enough to keep the Russian language for centuries.
But nothing will burn out with the Mikhalkovs, Rogozins, Medinsky and other Putin leaders. With these managers, it’s not that language, people would be saved ...
In the meantime, Bezrukov for $ 60000 will tell us heartily about the Russian language on the eve of the vote ...

[Clear]

Quote: serpent

But nothing will burn out with the Mikhalkovs, Rogozins, Medinsky and other Putin leaders.

Well, goodies ...
And, you can announce the list of figures with whom everything will burn out? (to a hair dryer)

[snake]

Quote: Clear

And, you can announce the list of figures with whom everything will burn out? (to a hair dryer)

You can: Golovan Jack, Cat Manul, Salty, Clear.

[Clear]

Quote: serpent

Self-irony is always commendable.

It’s good that the positive went

[depressant]

You say - films ... I watch American, European and Asian films to understand not only how our ill-wishers live, but also what their idea of ​​us is. It's no secret that in their films of the last decade, the Russian cosmonaut looks, to put it mildly, inadequate. But the Chinese? The best foreign "friends" of our president, to whom he has been giving up Siberia in one form or another for a long time ... It would seem that we should be grateful. No matter how it is! In the film "The Wandering Earth" the Russian cosmonaut is presented even worse than in Western films - a complete idiot against the background of the brilliant and utterly brave Chinese ...
And this despite the fact that every Chinese schoolchild knows, admires them and is ready to tell a long legend about their heroism about the Soviet cosmonauts Volkov, Patsaev and Dobrovolsky, who died on the Soyuz-11. Maybe because, not being able to really master the path that we had followed earlier, in the 90s we turned where the authorities pointed out, but, unlike the Chinese, we could not master this path either. One might argue that the Chinese also go where the authorities indicate. Only there is a difference. The Chinese are following the path of the once-chosen new ideology, in the right dose and very skillfully diluting it with the poison of a hostile worldview to the state of an economic medicine. And we are still wandering in the ideological desert, we have lost our way long ago.

[snake]

Quote: depressant

You say movies ...

I say movies. Our films are Russian. We need to make good Russian films. With a strong script, an interesting plot and high-quality game of actors. Do not cut the loot and with the soul to take off. What does the Chinese movie have to do with it? It's not clear.

Quote: depressant

And this despite the fact that about the Soviet cosmonauts Volkov, Patsaev and Dobrovolsky, who died on the Soyuz-11, every chinese student knows, admires them and is ready to tell a long legend about their heroism.

Where does this information come from?

[NordUral]

If worthy, honest, competent people were at the head of Roscosmos in Russia, then this alone would be enough to keep the Russian language for centuries.

No, it's all particular. It should be like this:
If worthy, honest, competent people were at the head of Russia, then this alone would be enough to keep the Russian language for centuries.

[snake]

Quote: NordUral

It is necessary so:
If at the head of Russia

It must be something, but let's be realistic - for a start, it would also do "at the head of Roscosmos" ...

[NordUral]

I agree if the beginning will have a logical and effective conclusion.

[Taga]

To be realistic: live with wolves, howl like a wolf; social being determines social consciousness; Not we such, Life is such. Here, who is closer.

[snake]

To catch a criminal, you need to think like a criminal ...

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Here with the first part of your comment I agree 100%. Indeed, a respected and studied language becomes outside the country of the carrier of this language in the first place (and in all other stages) thanks to the outstanding achievements of culture. But then you went snowstorm. It turns out that the absence of masterpieces of literature and art in modern Russia is to blame for Roscosmos, Putin, Mikhalkov and Medinsky. Do they forbid writers to create epochal books, composers - great operas, and poets - ingenious poems and songs? But did Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol and other geniuses of the golden age of Russian culture personally help Nikolai the First to create masterpieces? The cultural figure should not rely on Putin, but on himself, on his talent. And if there are no talents, then at least what kind of president or minister you put - so misery will be done.

[snake]

Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky

The cultural figure should not rely on Putin, but on himself, on his talent.

And what can a cultural figure (the same director, for example) do if the Cinema Foundation allocates funds only to its own proven "filmmakers"? Talent alone won't go far now. And Roskosmos is guilty of stealing money and surrendering positions in outer space.

Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky

And if there are no talents, then at least what kind of president or minister you put - so misery will be done.

There are talents. Our pupils and students are constantly winning various Olympiads in physics, chemistry, etc. Provide them with decent wages, working conditions, prospects, and - there will be achievements, there will be. But with such a view of officials on the selection of personnel as "We don't need smart ones. We need the faithful." (C), we have what we have.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

I completely agree with the statement of Napoleon, only in this case it is an argument like "an elder in the garden, but in Kiev there is an uncle." And your other evidence from the field of mythology. So:

And what can a cultural figure (the same director, for example) do if the Cinema Foundation allocates funds only to its own proven "filmmakers"?

Is Zvyagintsev a proven filmmaker? Yes, the proven ones ripped off their throats, criticizing his work, and he makes films and even takes prizes at international festivals. In addition to the Cinema Fund, there are also production centers, which do not care what you have with "proven", the main thing is that the film project is profitable. Yes, we have a lot of writers, artists, artists and other cultural figures who do not wait for Putin to come and tell how to work, and then give money. Science is a little different, the same space cannot be explored without state support. But where did you get the idea that there is no research in space? Probably on the principle "if I don't know, then this is not." In other branches of science, there is a grant system. Submit a promising project - get money. And I know people who have received. But if you say "give me money, and I will make some discovery," you will be sent to your mother. Because both in culture and in science the principle operates: first a project, then money for it. And not vice versa.

[snake]

Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky

Is Zvyagintsev a proven movie maker?

Zvyagintsev is an exception that proves the rule. You must understand that such incompetent citizens sit in the Cinema Foundation that they even perform their function - to filter out "unreliable" directors - somehow. NB: Somehow, but still with a bias towards mediocrity.

Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky

But where did you get the idea that no research is being done in the space field?

Since the results are not visible. Some projections and concepts. Eastern - construction of national importance, could not be properly executed - without theft, without scam workers and without constructive jambs such as voids in concrete. And you say ...

[Boratsagdiev]

As a rule, these "illiterate C grade students" have several higher educations.
Necessarily some kind of courses "over the hill" with a diploma there.
Many of the creators of the reforms of the 90s took the "local" refresher courses.
Yes, and modern "zaslanets" are not inferior to them.

[NordUral]

Not that they were taught. In our life, they give those items to five. But ours are two, and that’s because they have different perspectives.

[Boratsagdiev]

from what is wrong?! ....
not just for those.

[NordUral]

So I said this, a little confused.

[UrraletZ]

Most likely awesome honors living in their little worlds.

[Ingvar 72]

The topic of the Russian language is of course topical, especially against the backdrop of the stumbling block of Englishism, but the author went to the wrong steppe to mine.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Budenovka

Soon banned ..)))) Everything goes to this

Russian language?

[Revolver]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The theme of the Russian language is of course topical, especially against the backdrop of the stumbling block of Englishism.

But Comrade Stalin believed that:

Quote: I.V. Stalin

Of course, the vocabulary of the Russian language was supplemented by the vocabulary of other languages, but this not only did not weaken, but, on the contrary, enriched and strengthened the Russian language.

Marxism and issues of linguistic knowledge. Regarding Marxism in Linguistics
(True. - M., 1950, June 20)

[Ingvar 72]

I am not against the development of the language, but against degradation, when already existing words are replaced by more "fashionable" Englishisms.
In addition, there was a dominance of signage in English.

[Revolver]

Quote: Ingvar 72

got the dominance of signage in English

But I was fed up with an abundance of printed materials in Spanish. Bills for telephone, electricity, gas, and what else there come duplicated in Spanish. Even the ballots! And this despite the fact that by law one of the conditions for obtaining American citizenship is a demonstration of sufficient English proficiency !!! And non-citizens have no right to vote by law.
If you call any government office or the same telephone or electricity company, if not the first, then the second sentence you hear is "Para Español por favor marque uno (for Spanish service please press one)".
And okay, this would be to attract business or on the basis of foreign tourists! So no, solely in the name of political correctness, they say we do not discriminate by language. True, Russians, Koreans, and all sorts of other Swedes, unlike the Latinos, did not see such a service and will not see it.
Essno all these services in Spanish cost the state and companies a tidy amount, and accordingly the costs are passed on to me as a taxpayer and client.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nagan

An abundance of printed materials in Spanish.

You live in a state where every day there are more native speakers of Spanish (Latinos), and therefore Spanish is logical around. In our country, the British are no longer becoming, and duplication is more logical in the Turkic and Farsi.

[Revolver]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In our country, the British are no longer becoming, and duplication is more logical in the Turkic and Farsi.

Well, this is not counting foreign tourists. Well i.e. they are unlikely to appear in any thread in Malaya Zakhlupanka, Myxocransky district, and in Moscow and St. Petersburg all kinds of shops and restaurants have a lot of income from them, and would like even more. It so happened that the status of the world has not Turkic, Farsi, or French, namely English.

Quote: Ingvar 72

spanish around is logical

The Russian-speaking sign of a pharmacy on Brighton Beach Ave. didn’t distort you? If this duplication was to attract business in the places where the majority of Hispanic clients are, it would not bother me in any way. But in public institutions - whom are they trying to attract? Illegal immigrants? And ballots based on those who by law do not have the right to vote - this is something with something. Would you like Tajik ballots in Moscow?

[would]

You just need to find out the origin of those very replaced words and you will understand that they at one time replaced Slavic words. This is a natural process that simply cannot be stopped, and most importantly it makes no sense. The only languages ​​where no borrowing takes place are dead languages.

Well, the resistance to borrowing and even more so the cleansing of the language from them is called "linguistic purism".

[Ingvar 72]

Tell the Jews who restored their language from the dead. And the French, who have a law to protect the language, and it works.
Answer the question - do you like English-language signs in shops and cafes? Just do not say that these are brands - Leroy Merlin and McDonalds translated their brands.

[would]

I can tell the Jews how much and where they have borrowed. In the computer industry, one continuous borrowing, which is natural.

The French have nothing to tell, they have a huge layer of borrowings from Latin. As well as in English itself, therefore in French and English there are VERY many similar or even identical words that were borrowed from the Romans. The law was really adopted there, but the living language is alive and that no decree is able to stop its development.

Leroy Merlin and McDonald's never translated their names, they transliterate them and from this they do not become original Slavic.

As for the signage, with such a formulation of the question, I do not care. It all depends on what is written and how, and most importantly, not the name but the institution itself.

In this case, by the way, here is a question from me: If you are such a language purist, then why do you have a name borrowed from the Scandinavians on your site?

[Ingvar 72]

Cosmopolitans always do not care.

[would]

Oh, how quickly they wrote me into cosmopolitans. Apparently Stalin with his

Of course, the vocabulary of the Russian language was replenished at the same time due to the vocabulary of other languages, but this not only did not weaken, but, on the contrary, enriched and strengthened the Russian language.

also cosmopolitan I will not even answer anything in essence, to analyze what cosmopolitanism is and to show that it is in no way connected with the topic of discussion.

Well, such a recording is natural, essentially there is nothing to answer. I recommend you to read good books on linguistics, listen to the late Zaliznyak and so on. That would no longer write anything like this about the Jews and the French and stop doing meaningless language purism.

[Ingvar 72]

What you are trying to call the development of language is nothing more than degradation. Development is when words come into use along with the subject name. Replacing existing English words or other foreign words is degradation. And no examples from the past justify this.
If you do not understand elementary highs - I feel sorry for you.

[would]

What was required to be proved, the mathematical part was not studied, Zalizniak did not listen to lectures, and are not familiar with linguistics from the word at all.

What you are trying to call the development of language is nothing more than degradation

If you do not understand elementary high - I feel sorry for you.

It’s very funny for me to read this sentence because at the end it’s an absolutely Latin word. It is so Latin that I understood it instantly. From the same place the word "elementary". There are also words like "cosmopolitan" and "brands" (but now it is not Latin).

You are writing right now in a language that "degraded" long before your birth, "degrades" now and without this "degradation" it simply would not exist. But this does not bother you at all, you write about how bad it is to borrow using borrowed words, and your messages about this come from under the borrowed name. And at the same time, you consider yourself right.

So in order to have the right to be called a linguistic purist, you must first change the name and clear at least your speech of all kinds of borrowings, but after that you will get at least a formal right to speak the speech of others about the whole language.

[FIR FIR]

The language of Turgenev, Tolstoy, Dobrolyubov, Chernyshevsky is great and powerful ... And we, of course, stand for every resident of Russia to have the opportunity to learn the great Russian language.
Lenin V.I.
And the hours of the Russian language in schools are being reduced, for the sake of all sorts of nonsense ... And in the republics and autonomous regions, they are also simultaneously studying the languages ​​of small peoples - Tatar, Chuvash, Bashkir and others. It is clear that the clock of the Russian language is being cut even more mercilessly.

[Sergej1972]

Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs do not belong to small nations.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: FIR FIR

And in the republics and autonomous regions, they still study the languages ​​of small peoples - Tatar, Chuvash, Bashkir and others.

I won’t say anything for Tatar and Bashkir, but they teach the Chuvash language in Chuvashia ... nothing. I mean, there are watches in order to be. But: there is no training system, it makes no sense to teach it, too, the language is complex, but in large cities it is not at all useful. Yes, the hinterland is spitting in Chuvash (and not on clean, but on surzhik), and people from the village or suburban villages know his deception. But precisely because they live in a society where it is widely used. Well, there are no penalties for even revealing kicking the bulldozer in the lessons, so that don't scare away children (To this I personally, like Russian, am very happy, we usually did homework in other subjects in the lessons of the Chuvash language). But for all its futility, the lessons of the Chuvash language take hours away from other subjects. Something like this.

[iouris]

And if the nation votes against (purely hypothetically)?
What Russian language did the question "jump" about? Judging by the articles and reviews on them, there are many Russian languages. Each such Russian language has its own syntax, grammar, spelling. And there is a state that today is called the Russian Federation, but yesterday it was called the USSR, and the day before yesterday the Russian Empire (Russia). Those. the state is huge, large, large ...
The state must have a way of communication between state governing bodies: the state language. This language is called "Russian", but should be called "the state language of the Russian Federation." This is not "Russian", i.e. the language spoken by the Russian population is the normative language in which "state people" should (!) speak. This language is one of the results of the millennial development of a multinational state. Anyone who does not master this language does not strive to become a "state person" (he is already well).
We are observing how an artificial state language is being formed in Ukraine (because the state was created artificially), but the natural state language of Ukraine (yeah, that very one) does not give up, it rests on the everyday level and at the level of government bodies and troops.

[sevryuk]

The state language is the language in which the state speaks with its citizens. In democratic Europe, this status is usually assigned to the languages ​​of ethnic minorities (well, like Swedish in Finland). Therefore, all sorts of Georgia, Trobaltia and Independence, giving state status exclusively to "their" languages, automatically recognize that these are minority languages. But the fact that the language of the majority can be deprived of the status of a state one, hardly anyone in Europe could have thought of it ...

[Aviator_]

I think that if you analyze all the amendments in detail, you can find a lot of ambiguous, but the voting date is too close to figure it out.

[Revolver]

Quote: Aviator_

The voting date is too close to figure it out.

As they said back in the USSR, "vote, do not vote, you will still get voting result".

[Doliva63]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Aviator_

The voting date is too close to figure it out.

As they said back in the USSR, "vote, do not vote, you will still get voting result".

Something I have not heard in the Union. Where did you get this from?

[Revolver]

I don’t remember where exactly, but in time under Brezhnev.

[businessv]

The author of the arguments for the constitutional article on the Russian language may not be aware that there is a huge difference in origin and essence.

Like most of those who propose and make those or other amendments. You can talk about the education and literacy of the people's representatives endlessly, but you can verify the opposite by reading their pearls in social networks. Thanks to the author for the article, I can’t not post a replica of another Russian writer in this regard. Forum users and the author, I'm sorry that a little off topic, but the essence is one, and most importantly, relevant today.

"" Russia will not, and has never had such haters,
envious, slanderous, and even overt enemies, like all these Slavic
tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe will agree to recognize
their liberated! On liberation, they will begin their new life,
I repeat, precisely from what they beg for themselves from Europe, from England and Germany
for example, guarantee and patronage of their freedom, and even in concert
Russia will also have European powers, but they are in defense of Russia
they will do it. They will certainly begin with what is within themselves, if not
right out loud, they will announce to themselves and convince themselves that they are not Russia
owe the slightest gratitude. Maybe a whole century, or
even more, they will constantly tremble for their freedom and fear
love of power of Russia; they will crouch in front of european
states will slander Russia, gossip on it and
intrigue against her. Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be such
who will understand what it means, it means and will mean Russia for them
is always. They will understand all the greatness and all the holiness of the cause of Russia and the great
ideas, the banner of which she will put in humanity. But these people, especially
at first they will appear in such a miserable minority that they will be exposed
ridicule, hatred and even political persecution. Especially nice
will be for the liberated Slavs to voice and trumpet the whole world,
that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European
culture, while Russia is a barbaric, gloomy northern country
colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater
European civilization. They, of course, will appear, from the very beginning,
constitutional administration, parliaments, responsible ministers,
speakers, speeches. Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that everything
these liberated Slavs will rush with rapture to Europe, before losing
personalities will become infected with European forms, political and
social, and thus will have to survive the whole and long
the period of europeanism before they comprehend at least something in their
Slavic significance and in its special Slavic calling among
humanity "."
F.M. Dostoevsky
"One very special word about the Slavs, which I have long wanted
to tell"
The diary of a writer. September - November 1877

[Revolver]

The donkey will remain a donkey
Though you let him in Europe.
Where to act with the mind,
He only annoys ...

Quote: Count A.K. Tolstoy

If you are looking for rhymes in: Europe,
Then ask Butenop.

[Errr]

From the article:

... not out of thisof the dayshnogo of the day.

Maybe it's better to write simply "out of this day"Edward?
Poor, poor Russian ...

[Sergst]

Quote: Aviator_

I think that if you analyze all the amendments in detail, you can find a lot of ambiguous, but the voting date is too close to figure it out.

Everything is fine there, except for the only one that spoils everything ...

[sevryuk]

God is not with the last, it lacks the first: "Being part of the divided Russian and Russian peoples ..."

[depressant]

Edward, allow me to supplement your article with the text of an amendment to the Constitution, so that there is something to start from.
The amendment reads as follows:

"The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is the Russian language as the language of the state-forming people, which is part of the multinational union of equal peoples."

The amendment is made in such a way that involuntarily there is an idea that somewhere in the Constitution a definition of a state-forming people is given. A thoughtful reader, accustomed to accuracy, will flog and not find it.

The amendment is designed in such a way that there is bewilderment: the state-forming people cannot simply enter the union of equal peoples. If he is state-forming, then he forms that union.

The amendment was made as if its authors, recognizing the Russians as a state-forming people, let Russians into the multinational union of equal peoples of Russia only out of mercy, from the back door. Could you not let me in?

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Those who passed the amendments to this law are well aware that their children and grandchildren will not speak Russian, because they have long lived abroad

[knn54]

-and legally fuzzy amendments, especially since the mysterious state-forming people are not named in it.
The amendment to Article 68. points to the Russian people as forming a state. But according to Article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, ALL peoples are equal.
The authors have forgotten another wonderful "non-Russian" writer, Fonvizin.
I remembered because they are too much like Mitrofanushka from the immortal work "The Minor".

[Slavutich]

The amendment to article 68. points to the Russian people as forming a state.

And in my opinion, the author made it clear that legal documents cannot allow any omissions and guesses, in the Constitution there is not a word about the name of the state-forming people, the rest, "guess it yourself."
What kind of people is this, what is it for, what is it "forming"?
There is always time in order to clearly formulate laws; why go on a hike, where to rush?
There was an article about the language, and an amendment in that very constitutional language is called - butter.

[Mavrikiy]

And the argument that Pushkin, Lermontov, Derzhavin and Dahl are the "non-Russian" creators of modern Russian language and literature,

They are more Russian than the candidates and doctors of philology and linguistics from the departments of "VSH", for example, Hasan Huseynov

Doctor of Philology (2002) From April 2011 to September 2012 - Director of the Center for Humanitarian Studies of the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation [5].
Since October 2012 - professor at the Faculty of Philology of the Higher School of Economics, member of the Academic Council, full professor (2016). He was awarded two certificates of appreciation and thanks from the HSE, thanks from the HSE School of Philology. He was recognized as the best teacher in 2013, 2014, 2016-2019.
He also teaches at the University of Basel (Switzerland). Member of the international project of the University of Bergen (Norway) The Future of Russian. He leads an analytical column on politics, language and culture on the International French Radio website.
Member of the editorial board of Journal of Soviet and Post-Soviet Politics and Society, editorial board of Religion, State and Society, State, Religion, Church in Russia and Abroad, and Logos. He gives lectures at the Yeltsin Center on the history of the USSR and Russia and political linguistics.

So far, such philologists rule the Russian language in danger and need to be protected. But Huseynov at home, to extract oil, or the EU, he would be better off there, scum. Although it was he who squealed, for Pushkin’s Russian language, against

poor wretched Russian who is now spoken and written by this country.

[Deck]

So far, such philologists rule the Russian language in danger and need to be protected. But Huseynov at home, to extract oil, or the EU, he would be better off there, scum. angry Although it was he who squealed, for the Russian language of Pushkin, against

Reread what you have written again. Turgenev's beautiful language? No, it is written on the very "cesspool". The language of the gateways of Ligovka. As it was said in the anecdote - and these people will forbid me to pick my nose.

[Avior]

Pushkin, Lermontov, Derzhavin and Dahl are “non-Russian” creators of the modern Russian language and literature

But what about the first creators who missed the Pomor Lomonosov and the Westerner Uniate Smotrytsky?

[Zvonarev]

And what can we say about Gogol and Shevchenko?

[Avior]

Does Gogol and Shevchenko have any special role in creating the Russian literary language?

[Zvonarev]

Well, Lermontov was mentioned, apparently, there was also a special role

[Avior]

I agree, then Gogol and Shevchenko.
Although the question Shevchenko needs to delve into - how much and what he wrote in Russian.

[Alsur]

But I did not understand anything from the article that the author wanted to say. Tolley he was so trying to hide it, or could not clearly explain.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: ALSur

But I did not understand anything from the article that the author wanted to say. Tolley he was so trying to hide it, or could not clearly explain.

The author could not swim out of the flood of emanating emotions. It seems that the task is clear, but feelings and wordplay are overwhelming.

[1536]

If the official language throughout Russia is Russian, then why are all announcements duplicated in English on public transport in Moscow? If this is done for tourists, then it is logical to duplicate everything in Chinese. And if this is done to please some contract with the British, then having voted for the amendments, there is hope that the transport announcements will not be clogged with a foreign language. Although, of course, it is known to whom the law is not written in Russia.

[depressant]

The inscriptions are in English in China, too - due to the huge influx of foreign specialists, students and tourists who also travel by metro. Of the foreigners, we have mostly "effective" managers who don't take the metro. Foreign students quickly learn Russian ...
On January 14, 2016, on the lilac branch of the Moscow metro, announcements began to be duplicated in English, and from April 14, 2017 - on the rest. Motivating such a need for the upcoming 2018 football championship. The population was unpleasantly affected, did not accept the motivation and regarded it as servility to the West - we did not have enough foreign guests in the metro at that time for such an action. It is unlikely that there is now. There was another assessment: the authorities themselves splurged, increasing their importance among themselves. Sorry and wretched.
Or here's another example.
You can imagine that Trump, giving a speech on the date of the end of World War II and in this regard, mentioning Roosevelt as the then president, would make a reservation that, they say, Roosevelt, of course, allowed the so-called Great Genocide of the American people, which took the lives of 5 millions of men and women, but despite this, the United States won WWII - can you imagine that? In his article "75 Years of the Great Victory: Shared Responsibility to History and the Future," Putin, mentioning Stalin, could not refrain from mentioning repression. What for? What did the repression have to do with the extensive analysis of foreign policy intricacies of the time? And just a sign was given to the "partners": even though I had to and remembered Stalin, don't think bad, I am mine for you, mine. And the fact that this is designated as a stranger to us is not important to him.
In general, it is a pity and wretched. Foreign diplomatic circles, of course, noted this and grinned silently ...
The loneliness of the authorities does not contribute to the growth of respect for the state language in the world.
Sometimes I really want to know who Putin has in his advisers. It seems that his personal enemies.

[kotvov]

: who is there in Putin's advisers ,,
Do you think he’s not like that?

[Prisoner]

"Derzhavin is a Tatar, he just galloped from the Crimea ..." And here is Crimea? Most likely from Kazan, for Derzhavins are Kazan Tatars.

[Gardamir]

Another article in the series vote or lose.
But for some reason, in Moscow, Uzbek and Azerbaijani words are more audible on the streets. In the subway, all ads are duplicated for some reason in English.
What will now accept the Putin Constitution, will everyone begin to speak only Russian?

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Gardamir

But for some reason, in Moscow, Uzbek and Azerbaijani words are more audible on the streets. In the subway, all ads are duplicated for some reason in English.

Announcements about the introduction of mask mode on televisions in the metro are now being made in the languages ​​of "brothers from Central Asia". Seriously.

[demo]

If the author is polemicizing and engaging in a dialogue in absentia, then it is necessary to quote the person to whom you are appealing.
And then, as in a historical curiosity - we did not read Pasternak, but we condemn.

It’s not even a matter of language.
Although this is a very important aspect.
The fact is, who is trying to act as the main guardian under the guise of caring for the state, for the people, for its centuries-old culture and history, for its achievements and accomplishments.
After all, it has become quite obvious that the "pygmies", spiritual ignoramuses, henchmen of a culture alien to us, Russia, are trying once again to "blur" the eyes of the people.
People who vowed that neither retirement age nor changes to the Basic Law would be made when they were in power, completely forgot what they said.
If you are forced to do what you promised to do, then lay down your authority, with explanations.
If you were "taken by the sirloin" so that they don't let you breathe, then just shoot yourself like a man, like an officer (in the past).
Can not?
Then you are worthless. And to your words.
And the fact that you try to sit still in this place and further goes against your statement that I am not holding on to power.
It is very symptomatic of how a person broke and crushed power.
Well, it’s impossible not to allow a person to be president more than two times.

TOTAL TWO TIMES.

At least in a row, at least somehow.
Then it will be a little easier in the country.
And then two by two and one more time behind him.
Few?!
I still want to!

[To be or not to be]

I can’t understand. What did the author of the article want to say?
Or, again, it distorts from the amended combination: "" The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is Russian as the language of the state-forming people, which is part of the multinational union of equal peoples of the Russian Federation. "
Two concepts are immediately introduced into the Constitution:
1. The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is the Russian language ..
2.Russian-state-forming people. "Russian language as the language of the state-forming people"
This is the strength of Russia. As Russians are a state-forming people
there is a skeleton. on which are attached. other peoples of a huge country live and develop. preserving their languages. culture and national characteristics ...

[nikvic46]

If a person speaks Russian well, this does not mean that we are talking about a good person. We used to be taught Russian speech by ordinary radio. And at school we were told: - "Vova. Read a poem with expression." Now they have forgotten about it. The Russian language itself should be voiced, whether you are a good person or so-so. Our native language should not show superiority over other languages. Recently, I see a bias in the networks towards Black Hundred thinking. Like, we are Russians above all. It's good to speak by Americans inside America. .They have a common nationality denoting the name of the continent. We have too many nationalities, and this arrogance is useless.

[To be or not to be]

No need to hang up labels right away - this is suggestive of certain thoughts about you!
Would you like to criticize one of the best states in the world?
"Basic Law: Israel is the nation state
Jewish people *
Article 1.
Basic principles
(Aleph) Eretz Yisrael (Country of Israel) is the historical homeland of the Jewish
the people in which the State of Israel was born.
(bet) The state of Israel is the national state of the Jewish people,
in which he realizes his natural, cultural, religious and
historical right to self-determination.
(gimel) Realization of the right to national self-determination in the State
Israel belongs exclusively to the Jewish people. "
http://knesset.gov.il/laws/ru/yesodru16.pdf
So what? Well done, clearly. Clear and without complexes. What others will say ..
Prosperity to Israel !! And a peaceful sky!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: To be or not to be

No need to hang up labels right away - this is suggestive of certain thoughts about you!
Would you like to criticize one of the best states in the world?
"Basic Law: Israel is the nation state
Jewish people *
Article 1.
Basic principles
(Aleph) Eretz Yisrael (Country of Israel) is the historical homeland of the Jewish
the people in which the State of Israel was born.
(bet) The state of Israel is the national state of the Jewish people,
in which he realizes his natural, cultural, religious and
historical right to self-determination.
(gimel) Realization of the right to national self-determination in the State
Israel belongs exclusively to the Jewish people. "
http://knesset.gov.il/laws/ru/yesodru16.pdf
So what? Well done, clearly. Clear and without complexes. What others will say ..
Prosperity to Israel !! And a peaceful sky!

Duc, why be surprised and some "others" will say something there? Israel is a unitary state, that's the whole secret.

[nikvic46]

Yesterday. I generally have a drum of nationality outside of Russia. I just don’t need to infringe on the arrogance of nationality in our country.

[Freeman]

So, Ivan IV took himself out of Augustus, and the first Romanovs from the Romans - Roma!

Here, at the Romanovs, the "problem" came out.
Roma - This is the self-name of the gypsy people in Russia and Europe.

Shl. But seriously, "Roma", this distorted Romuva or Romow (Romovė, Romow), is one of the main pagan sanctuaries among the medieval Prussians, founded by the rulers of the Prussians Videvut and Bruten.

Videvut and Bruten were kings of the Cimbri and, being expelled by the Goths from their ancestral territories, they arrived with people by sea to the mouth of the Vistula in Ulmigania, where they established their authority among the local tribes.

Actually from the Prussian ruler Videvut, through his descendant, Gland Kambil, the Romanovs derive their kind.

[Freeman]

Volnoper (Alexey) Today, 19:48
Actually from the Prussian ruler Videvut, through his descendant, Gland Kambil, the Romanovs derive their kind

Well, what is "minus"?
This "alternative history" was written by the Romanovs themselves in the jubilee edition dedicated to the 300th anniversary of their House.

screenshot

source:
http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/24154

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The article is not bad. The illiteracy of the author and the editor only unpleasantly cut: in a quote from Mayakovsky, FOR and THEN are written separately!

[A. Privalov]

Language must be protected. As you wish - with or without amendments.

Somehow, it turned out that, along with the Russians, they cherished him, cherished him, and developed all sorts of non-believers, unchristians and other non-letter nationalities. In which case, do not worry, he will not be lost. We will continue to cherish.

[iouris]

Quote: A. Privalov

The language must be protected.

What we have, we do not store, we lose, weep.
I am not a philologist, but I see: there is no romanticism: the state language of the Russian Federation is being attacked "from every iron" (in spite of the titanic efforts of literary "infidels" and "infidels"). Whoever needs the state must save the state language ("Comrade Stalin, you are a great scientist, And in linguistics, Do you know a lot ...").
Objectively, the degradation of the state language of the Russian Federation is a sign of the degradation of the state. This is also indicated by the construction of a society with a developed technological backwardness, which is accustomed to "devices" and "gadgets", to "consumption of content", "to carry out transactions," and therefore has to master international (North American) technical slang. The last Russian word that has almost become international is "Sputnik".

[Liam]

Quote: iouris

The last Russian word that has almost become international is "Sputnik".

Not. The generally accepted term is satellite.
Only Vodka, Perestroika and Glasnost became international)

[A. Privalov]

Well, that's the problem with all "young" languages. When scientists found "The Lay of Igor's Campaign", only linguists could read the manuscript. And even a translation made by a group of literary scholars headed by Academician D.S. Likhachev, has little in common with modern literary Russian.
This means that for 700-800 years, the Russian language has changed beyond recognition.
He is alive and continues to change before our eyes. Power methods and saber attacks cannot be dealt with here. This is a long and painstaking work.

[iouris]

There is an opinion that modern English (the official language of Great Britain) was artificially created by the so-called, you see, William, ours, Shakespeare, when the Venetian merchants arrived on the islands to get out of the attack and in order to expand the business to a global scale. Ordinary English still can not master it.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: iouris

Ordinary English still can not master it.

I won’t say for Shakespeare, I don’t know. But ordinary English have a simple language. Actually, like ordinary Russians and ordinary Turks and all ordinary people in the world.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Literature is my everything. And I would not divide it into Russian and not Russian ... Yes there is such a thing - Russians are more soulful or something, but on the other hand I will name you many very talented authors from Anglo-Saxons. So let's not mix politics and literature.

[Vitalius Boniwur]

I agree, for example, I am German by origin, but in fact RUSSIAN German! I wish my Motherland - Russia prosperity and peace! ✌

[Irina M]

One of the troubles of the Russian language is that the area of ​​its use was deliberately reduced in 1991 by the destruction of the Soviet Union. At present, it is being impoverished by the unjustifiably large use of foreign words. Of course, the language changes as technical progress develops and the transparency of borders between countries increases, but this does not mean that you need to clog it with buzzwords or just words from another language, just because they say so abroad. For example, Okay is appropriate to say in English-speaking countries, if you speak English, the word "pasta" in the Mediterranean countries, and the White House is exclusively in the United States

[Alt 22]

Author, did you dare to speak for the Russians? Now non-Russian Russians will explain to you that you are a "Nazi" because of this. There is such a tendency in the Russian Federation - Tatars can worry about Tatars, Chechens about Chechens, and if Russians stand for Russians, the label "nationalists" is the most harmless of those that are hung on them ...

[Taga]

Sorry for the abstract question, but ... Did the articles on the website discuss such an aspect of amendments as the State Council?

[CT-55_11-9009]

I haven’t seen yet, so, hurt me in passing - and that’s it.

[Lynx-z]

But the key argument for the amendment was also somewhat dumbfounded. It was as if I had been returned during the time of perestroika, and I hear and read again and again that Russian literature was written by non-Russians.
And why there is no reference to these arguments ?? who said that?

[zlobny tatarin]

The article is extremely chaotic and mysterious. What the author wanted to say is unknown.

[Thomas the Unbelieving]

Pushkin, probably foresaw this more than 200 years ago, when in chapter 10 of “Eugene Onegin” he wrote:
The sovereign is weak and crafty,
A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
Unintentionally warmed by glory,
Reigned over us then.
We knew him very meek,
When not our cooks
Double-headed eagle pinched
Bonapart's tent.
Thunderstorm twelve
Arrived - who helped us here?
Frenzy of the people
Barclay, winter or Russian god?

[Iris]

An article about the Russian language on a site where absolutely no one - from the moderator to the author of this publication - is capable of linking four words without errors, looks especially relevant.

[Slavutich]

The article is not about the Russian language, but about the amendment.
Moderator - not suitable, the author is not the one, this is just the case "when you don't see the forest behind two pines",
when you say nothing, they cling to the non-essential.