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The Drive on Turkish Kargu Kamikaze Drones and UAV Swarm Attacks

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Turkey is creating swarms of kamikaze drones that it can not only use for its own purposes, but also export. About this writes the author of The Drive Joseph Trevitik.


Key Features of the Kargu Drone


The Turkish company Defense Technologies Engineering and Trade Inc., also known by the Turkish abbreviation STM, has been supplying the Turkish armed forces with helicopter-type Kargu kamikaze drones since 2017. In 2019, the first deliveries of advanced Kargu-2 drones began.

In January 2020, the Turkish government entered into an agreement to acquire 356 drones, and later it became known that by June 15, 2020, the company was supposed to deliver more than 500 drones. Whether it is a question of new 500 drones or whether 356 drones, which were mentioned earlier, are still included in this figure.

The manufacturing company emphasizes that the Kargu-2 unmanned aerial vehicles are designed to fight terror and “asymmetric warfare”. The weight of the UAV is only 15 kg. In this case, Kargu-2 can be in the air for up to 30 minutes.

The drone is controlled by the operator from the ground. The operator can direct drones to any objects, including moving ones. If the drones have not destroyed the target, then they can return to the operator for later use.


According to Joseph Trevitik, each such unmanned aerial vehicle can be equipped with different types of warheads - fragmentation to destroy enemy personnel and other unarmored targets, cumulative to attack lightly armored threats, thermobaric to destroy targets in a confined space. In addition, the drone can be used to hit stationary targets.

The semi-autonomous mode of using the drone suggests that Kargu can independently detect and hit targets, and the operator can only send him to a certain area. If necessary, the operator can cancel the attack of the drone or redirect it to another target.


On the video frames, we can observe how the Kargu unmanned kamikaze act in practice.

Joseph Trevitik draws attention to the obvious success of the Turkish military industry in the creation of kamikaze drones, since before the pioneer in this industry was Israel, undoubtedly more technologically advanced than Turkey.

Swarm attack: what are the benefits of the new technology


What is most interesting, in 2019, the manufacturer of unmanned kamikaze UAVs STM announced the work on providing Kargu drones with additional autonomy, as well as the ability to work together within one large cluster (“swarm”) of drones.

Swarm attack technology is being developed as part of a special government program aimed at improving the capabilities of unmanned aerial vehicles. It is clear that the possibility of simultaneous use of up to 29 unmanned kamikazes will significantly increase the effectiveness of attacks by the Turkish armed forces.

Columns and convoys of light armored vehicles and conventional trucks and SUVs, ammunition depots, aircraft-based bases - all of these objects are superbly struck by Kargu drones. If a swarm of drones comes into play, then he will be able to suppress the enemy’s defenses and hit the targets with much greater efficiency.


As the author of The Drive notes, swarm technology developed by the Turkish company STM can subsequently be applied to other unmanned aerial vehicles and ammunition. According to Trevitik, now Turkey can be called the locomotive of world UAV production. At the same time, the capabilities and technologies of Turkish drones are being actively tested in the context of real hostilities in Libya and Syria.

It is possible that the pace of exports of UAVs made in Turkey will increase. It is no accident that the head of the US Central Command, Marine Corps General Kenneth Mackenzie, argues that the future in the field of air attacks will belong to unmanned aerial vehicles.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 19 June 2020 14: 23 New
    +1
    I demand the convening of a world conference on the prohibition of Turkish drones.
    1. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 19 June 2020 14: 25 New
      +7
      in Sportloto .. write a complaint !!)
    2. janeck
      janeck 19 June 2020 14: 36 New
      +5
      . "According to Trevitik, now Turkey can be called the locomotive of the world production of UAVs."
      - But what about tomatoes ??.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 19 June 2020 14: 54 New
        +1
        They will bomb with tomatoes ...
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 19 June 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      Greta, it seems that the Turks force defenseless drones to commit suicide. Their population is at stake!
  2. imobile2008
    imobile2008 19 June 2020 14: 55 New
    0
    However, Turkey ... I wonder what their budget is, I would like to compare with ours
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 June 2020 15: 28 New
      +1
      They still have access to technology. And components. But are developing rapidly.
      1. Gorecc
        Gorecc 19 June 2020 17: 50 New
        +8
        Well, not everything is so simple .. yes they are in NATO, but the West is trying to keep (as far as possible) Turkey away from advanced military developments and technologies.
        Yes, even if you take the finished equipment, what modern Western weapons does Turkey have?)
        tanks? junk)
        air defense? terrible junk .. consider modern means of air defense at the Turks and no ..
        aviation? not even f-15, only f-16, and even those far from the latest modifications. And there are still antediluvian f-4 phantoms))
        by and large, the Turks took up their military-industrial complex so seriously because the United States and the West as a whole pinched new military developments and technologies for them .. and because they supplied them they could blackmail the Turks (refusal to supply American engines for turntables, German refusal to supply engines for promising Turkish tanks, etc.) if they try to conduct an independent policy ..
        You must understand that due to the mentality, as well as due to the fact that Turkey is a Muslim country, it has never been truly its own for the West. I think they and NATO tolerate only because of their favorable geographical position smile
      2. KURT330
        KURT330 19 June 2020 18: 15 New
        +5
        What access and to what technologies ?! laughing Turkey for ten years asked the United States for UAVs to combat the PKK. The Americans did not give them any drones, much less any technology. The Turks said we’ll do it, done it! Today they successfully tested their engine for medium-range missiles. Turkey is in first place at the opening of universities specializing in engineering and mechanical engineering!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 June 2020 19: 05 New
          +4
          We see the result. Drones of medium and higher dimensions are standard and ammunition. Themselves or not. We don’t have it yet.
        2. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 19 June 2020 20: 29 New
          +3
          The Turks bought Israeli UAVs, made their own. The Turks bought and assembled the F16, make their planes 5 generations. The Turks held a tender for the supply of tanks with the provision of a full list of technical documents, making their tanks. The Turks bought electronic warfare systems and short-range air defense systems, they make their own. Turks bought C400 with documentation ...
        3. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 19 June 2020 20: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: KURT330
          The Americans did not give them any drones, much less any technology.

          Now you need to be suicides in order to sell modern weapons and technology to Turkey and China. These countries have a clear vector for the development of domestic production. And they need weapons as instances, not military units. Therefore, they buy small batches, although for the needs of the army they need dozens, if not hundreds of times more.
      3. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 19 June 2020 20: 13 New
        +5
        It is important that, in addition to the state sector, private companies are engaged in advanced technologies. Turks are emphasizing this.
        According to a brief description, there are 81 technology parks in Turkey. Research and innovation activities are actively carried out in 56 of these technology parks, it is reported that construction work continues in 25 technology parks. The number of provinces with Technoparks is 54, the number of technology parks created in the OIZ (Organized Industrial Zone) has reached 21.

        The last of the technology parks in Chankyry will be built on an area of ​​125 thousand 792 square meters in the technology development zone of Chankyry. Minister Ozlu said that in the field of biotechnology, nanotechnology, defense, chemistry, software, computer science, electronics and communication technology, 40 companies will work in this technology park. etc. d.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 19 June 2020 20: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          It is important that, in addition to the state sector, private companies are engaged in advanced technologies. Turks are emphasizing this.
          + + +
          Private companies are more effective than state-owned. Small companies are more effective than large corporations. This has been proven thousands of times.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 19 June 2020 21: 26 New
            +3
            Yes, that's right. For example, in Turkey, in private companies, about 600 projects in the field of advanced weapons and their components are currently under development. In addition, the experience and knowledge of these companies is very quickly being introduced into the civilian sphere. There is an example in them, that the companies in the military sphere of Aselsan Bayraktar, etc., combining efforts with companies for the introduction of civilian needs products Archelik-Westel (needed here and now), ventilators for hospitals. There were ready-made developments, simply combining material and technical capabilities quickly organized a serial inlet, it is difficult to believe, within 15 days.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 19 June 2020 16: 22 New
      +1
      Military budgets? Russia has 60 billion, Turkey has 20 billion. But not the fact that there is budget financing.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 June 2020 19: 01 New
        0
        The Russian Federation is spending a lot on nuclear weapons .....
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 19 June 2020 20: 21 New
        +3
        The Turks have many private companies in the field of military technology.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 19 June 2020 14: 59 New
    +4
    Normally they do ...
    Now there’s nothing to groan, do drone strikes, the time has come.
    1. businessv
      businessv 19 June 2020 16: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      make drones, the time has come.

      Yes, but it would not hurt to keep up with the “locomotive” in development and production! The whole world already understands this, it would be good for us to take care.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 June 2020 10: 39 New
        +2
        It’s not easy for our “steam train” to accelerate ... we have not the same "effective managers", there is NO comrade with a mustache or pince-nez!
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 June 2020 15: 27 New
    +5
    Air defense from Dronov expects a sharp increase in production and sales.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 June 2020 16: 11 New
      12
      60 such drones simultaneously enter the object. They are in the offline mode of destruction of any contrasting targets in the zone or attacks of contrasting objects in coordinates - EW will not help (they are already on the ANN + embedded program, without control and without satellite navigation). Your actions?

      And if you combine the attack of such drones with a serious attack of the KR / PRR?

      This is a serious tool in new wars. Especially in the future, the price of these drones will continue to fall. That is, for the same money you can arrange a 100+ raid.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 June 2020 16: 39 New
        +2
        Yes, this is a new challenge. Therefore, the west rushed to make laser systems against Drones.
      2. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 19 June 2020 18: 04 New
        +1
        If they go in formation, then they use GPS and exchange data with each other and electronic warfare will really help. And EW is different, it can not only drown out, but also burn out electronics.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 June 2020 19: 17 New
          +2
          Why do they need GPS? Even commercial controllers with ANNs have already broken the bar of the middle price range and went down to the homeless segment (thanks to China).

          GPS is good when it is and when you need to go along the route, remove the accumulated error from the ANN. But at the level of these kamikaze - they will not have time to accumulate a mistake. Moreover, there is optical / IR guidance, that is, an error of 200-300m is not critical.
          1. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 20 June 2020 00: 03 New
            +1
            They themselves will not be released 5km to the target.
        2. imobile2008
          imobile2008 19 June 2020 20: 37 New
          +3
          Burn electronics? My brother would laugh. If only the Chinese were at a distance of 3 meters. If this were so, then the planes would not fly, burn and burn even their elementary base is the same, the Americans unified production, which would be cheaper to do.
          1. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 20 June 2020 00: 01 New
            -1
            You still live in the century before last.
            Yes, even there a lot could be done.
            1. imobile2008
              imobile2008 20 June 2020 11: 46 New
              +1
              My brother did research in this area. There is nothing there. And uncle with lasers, still true in the USSR, everything is also sad there and the project was covered. Microwave radiation is useless in the distance. And the laser needs ideal conditions, but believe me, no one will paint the drone black so that it can be knocked down. and the lenses in the laser must be cooled and they come out quickly
              1. Boratsagdiev
                Boratsagdiev 20 June 2020 15: 53 New
                -2
                You will look on the Internet about exhibition models of compact portable means of countering drones. Already not once exhibited.
      3. lucul
        lucul 19 June 2020 20: 13 New
        -7
        60 such drones simultaneously enter the object. They are in the offline mode of destruction of any contrasting targets in the zone or attacks of contrasting objects in coordinates - EW will not help (they are already on the ANN + embedded program, without control and without satellite navigation). Your actions?

        Just our new BMP with a 57mm rapid-firing gun with remote detonation of shells will go into series.))))
        Ideal against a swarm of drones.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 19 June 2020 20: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          Ideal against a swarm of drones.
          Not perfect: the drones are small, it’s difficult to get directly into them, the rate of fire at the 57 mm is small, and the radius of the high-explosive and fragmentation damage too. Neither this nor that (to defeat drones). It is necessary to revive anti-aircraft artillery of large caliber, with today's fire controls, drones will fly from heaven like snowflakes. Well, or they will be priced like planes.
          1. lucul
            lucul 19 June 2020 20: 33 New
            -5
            Not perfect: the drones are small, it’s difficult to get directly into them, the rate of fire at the 57 mm is small, and the radius of the high-explosive and fragmentation damage too.

            What are the little ones ???
            Small - it weighs 5 kg, and these 15 kg weigh. 57mm for them just right, especially if you still work on a land mine ...
          2. imobile2008
            imobile2008 20 June 2020 11: 39 New
            0
            Some drones can fly around the ground at 2 cm. And if from different angles? And if there is an obstacle, the drone can hide behind it. take an obstacle? So for artillery will be a good target. In addition to drones against drones, no other solutions are yet visible,
          3. imobile2008
            imobile2008 20 June 2020 11: 39 New
            0
            Some drones can fly around the ground at 2 cm. And if from different angles? And if there is an obstacle, the drone can hide behind it. remove the obstacle? So for artillery will be a good target. In addition to drones against drones, no other solutions are yet visible,
  5. Klingon
    Klingon 19 June 2020 16: 08 New
    +5
    from such a swarm of armored missiles such as the Shell will not be particularly useful, here the future lies in powerful electronic warfare systems and microwave burners, lasers and electromagnetic radiation. I think the air defense will change dramatically in the very near future!
    RS. here such cheap drones need to be riveted and not monsters like the super-expensive Hunter, who will carry only 4 rockets and a couple of bombs.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 June 2020 16: 40 New
      0
      Maybe artillery will help. 57mm with finished fragments.
    2. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 19 June 2020 17: 04 New
      0
      microwave burners, lasers and EMP
      From 2015, articles / reports are periodically published that such a thing (UHF, EMP) will go on duty, so far, apart from words, nothing concrete.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 19 June 2020 17: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: Threaded Screw
        microwave burners, lasers and EMP
        Years since 2015, articles / reports have been periodically published that such a thing will go on duty, so far, apart from words, nothing concrete.

        Well, there are all kinds of "Automobile depots", "Rubella" and so on. I think a directional microwave emitter is not so difficult to do, I generally keep quiet about lasers, against such Drones a 50-100 kilowatt laser is enough here, monsters like Peresvet are not needed. The main thing here is a nimble SLA with different channels
        1. Threaded screw
          Threaded screw 19 June 2020 17: 08 New
          +1
          Well, there are all kinds of "Automobile depots", "Rubella" and so on.
          As far as I understand, this is still not EMR or even microwave emitters.
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 19 June 2020 17: 11 New
            +1
            That's right. Agree. it's all jammers. , see above, I adjusted the post.
    3. Boratsagdiev
      Boratsagdiev 19 June 2020 18: 07 New
      0
      On the "Armor" there are already mini rockets, in a package of 4 pieces (the package is installed in the usual places).
      But the "small-bore rapid-fire" would not hurt.
  6. knn54
    knn54 19 June 2020 16: 10 New
    +4
    Version of "Kargu-2":
    -Equipped with face recognition system;
    -Able to return to the operator if the goal is lost.
    - the orientation system is tested for landscape details, which will allow the drone to counteract electronic warfare systems.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 19 June 2020 17: 18 New
      +2
      the most vulnerable part of such a drone is the propeller blade engines. violation of the symmetry of the blades immediately manifests itself in an incorrect motor speed. And the incorrect speed of one of the motors on a quadrocopter can cause it to tip over. I’ll tell you as an amateur drone conductor. So it is necessary to act on electric engines and propeller blades. also the beam beams on which the nacelles are mounted are vulnerable to damage
  7. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 19 June 2020 16: 50 New
    0
    This is where the experience of fighter jets in the Korean War can come in handy.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 19 June 2020 16: 59 New
      0
      no, here the experience of creating drones-hunters for other Drones is more useful))
      moreover, interceptor drones should be faster, possibly of an airplane type, or hybrid (there are already such amateur ones, takes off like a copter and then cherishes like a plane with short wings)
  8. Klingon
    Klingon 19 June 2020 16: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Maybe artillery will help. 57mm with finished fragments.

    yes, it will help, it’ll destroy a couple of three, and given the swarm’s ability to change the configuration and fill the voids in orders of magnitude, 57mm will not do much weather. As I wrote above, only powerful electronic warfare systems, lasers and ammunition with electromagnetic radiation or some kind of plasma discharges can help here, in short everything that can jam the signal and burn out the electronics
    1. lucul
      lucul 19 June 2020 20: 21 New
      -2
      yes, it will help, it’ll destroy a couple of three, and given the swarm’s ability to change the configuration and fill the voids in orders of magnitude, 57mm will not do much weather

      A single 57mm will not do the weather, but when it is a massive BMP with 57mm down with remote detonation, then no swarm will pass.
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 19 June 2020 17: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Maybe artillery will help. 57mm with finished fragments.

    For such small drones, with their speed and altitude, a 7,62 mm machine gun is better suited.
    Old Maxim is enough.
    You can use and refine the systems of active protection of tanks with a slightly large radius of action.
  10. Klingon
    Klingon 19 June 2020 17: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Military budgets? Russia has 60 billion, Turkey has 20 billion. But not the fact that there is budget financing.

    maybe they steal less?
  11. flicker
    flicker 19 June 2020 18: 03 New
    -6
    Swarm attack: what are the benefits of the new technology

    The idea of ​​kamikaze drones has long been hatched in the United States. There are huge doubts that Turkey was ahead of the US in this technology. Rather, the United States helped Turkey develop such drones.
    Question: for what?
    ---
    To make kamikaze drone from Turkey.
    No wonder the geldings reoriented Turkey towards neo-Ottomanism, since the neo-Ottoman course will force Turkey to fight. This policy will necessarily lead to a clash with neighbors, with Russia. What almost happened in February.
    Another thing is that after such a collision, Turkey will cease to exist.
    But this does not concern the geldings; they need a large BV conflict and it is highly desirable with Russia.
    ---
    Turkey’s current success in creating comicadze drones only speaks of what Turkey is doing - a kamikaze drone operated by the United States.
    Moreover, if the technologies are American, then they can easily take control of such drones, send them to Khmeimim, and the Turks will be responsible for what happened. For they are Turks chosen by the geldings as a "kamikaze drone."
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 19 June 2020 21: 04 New
      -2
      why did they nominate you for that? obviously Turks and Svidomo))
      For some reason I think that the Neo-Ottomans will sooner or later clash with the descendants of the Hellenes, but this will be in our hands, it will be a bickering inside and the collapse of NATO. Turkey is a cancer for NATO
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 19 June 2020 21: 45 New
        +3
        "Turkey is a cancerous tumor for NATO")) Everything is exactly the opposite. Turkey is a fist and the real armed forces of NATO in this region, since Europeans have long become Belorussians. Turks will not disappear outside NATO, moreover, they will become yet another open adversary for Europe. And for the Belorussians it is much worse than now.
  12. KURT330
    KURT330 19 June 2020 18: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Gorecc
    I think they and NATO tolerate only because of their favorable geographical position

    Not only. If Turkey is not in NATO, then it is in front of NATO! And this is a nightmare for Europeans.
  13. Yarhann
    Yarhann 19 June 2020 20: 39 New
    +1
    That is, they offer to use UAVs the size of Orlan-10 as disposable, and even in a swarm)) cool. So let's immediately put the enemy in with disposable UAVs of the Predator type, oh yes, it’s been invented for a long time already by the name of the Kyrgyz Republic Caliber and Tomahawk))) weighing 1500-1700 kg, with warheads weighing several hundred kg and a range of a couple of kilometers.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 19 June 2020 23: 31 New
      +1
      Missiles and drones have completely different tasks and applications
      1. Yarhann
        Yarhann 20 June 2020 07: 52 New
        -1
        KP and kamikaze drones and completely different applications))) and then what tasks are different))) especially for KP like Delilah.
  14. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 19 June 2020 20: 44 New
    +1
    Against a swarm of drones - kamikaze
    Only a swarm of drones - fighter jets
  15. Klingon
    Klingon 19 June 2020 20: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Maybe artillery will help. 57mm with finished fragments.

    For such small drones, with their speed and altitude, a 7,62 mm machine gun is better suited.
    Old Maxim is enough.
    You can use and refine the systems of active protection of tanks with a slightly large radius of action.

    Are you serious? machine gun? yes you probably sniper to hit a small moving speed target wassat
    it was even difficult to make striped with their M134 with a drone (see the video on YouTube) and you want to get small fast drones from such a rather slow machine gun like Maxim !? Something tells me that you will not get laughing but the 57mm OFZ projectile with remote detonation, by the way, will be better in this regard, as one comrade noted
  16. seagull
    seagull 19 June 2020 20: 59 New
    -1
    The target is rather large and slow, "gatling" 7.62 with a radar, as an air defense, will solve the problem of "swarm".
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 21 June 2020 11: 14 New
      0
      Gatling I don't think is a good idea. (Have you seen enough of Hollywood films or something?) The advantages of OFZ shells over bullets are obvious. Firstly, in systems of this type of Gattling, an enormous amount of ammunition is consumed in a very short time (several seconds of volleys and the magazine is empty + no one overheated the trunks) Bullets even from a 6-7 barrel machine gun fly in a straight line while the OFZ projectile forms a cloud of all-supersonic fragments exploding at the right time and right place (remote detonation) such shells will cause drones much more damage. As an example, it is worth recalling the German gun mount "Mantis", it consists of a radar, a control point and three turrets of 35mm Oerlikon guns. 35mm shells with remote detonation. This system was specifically designed to combat small speed targets.
      1. seagull
        seagull 21 June 2020 12: 35 New
        0
        "Have you seen enough of Hollywood movies or what?"
        I "saw enough" of the multi-barrel anti-aircraft systems (ZU 23-2; Shilka; Tunguska, etc.) created to solve such problems ... Everything was decided by the density of fire ... I don’t like Gatling, you can at least put Maxims (M4) water cooling is already on .... 7.62 even a lot for drones, 5.45 just right (performance better). As for the stores, you can put a “box” of 5-10 thousand rounds. The entire installation can now be implemented on a light wheeled chassis (immortal UAZ).
        In the system you proposed, everything is fine, but not yet, just a small-caliber projectile with remote detonation (and when will it be ???). And there are already drones ...
        And another aspect, if the "swarm" hits the target, at an extremely low altitude, above the "our" positions ... who will have the lion's share of the fragments ???
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 21 June 2020 17: 18 New
          0
          see above, I already wrote about the Shell, including. if there are 5 drones at the same time, yes, the shell will make them, but if 25-30 then the score will most likely not be in favor of the Shell. therefore, I mentioned electronic warfare systems, microwave, electromagnetic radiation and lasers. Since kinetic weapons will be less and less effective, it will be necessary to rethink the whole concept of short-range air defense .... it’s a pity the “Compression” project failed but we could get a fully working near-air defense laser
          and how is it not a shell with a remote detonation? such shells are even on Puma (ABM)
          such uses and Mantis.
          and the fact that our industry is still itching with a 57mm shell is another matter
          1. seagull
            seagull 21 June 2020 17: 39 New
            0
            "but if 25-30 then the score will most likely not be in favor of the Shell"
            Therefore, the idea is to saturate the troops with cheap, numerous short-range anti-aircraft defense ... It’s clear that this is polymer, but this is real now .... everything else is just developing ...
            "such shells are even on Puma"
            I'm talking about domestic shells ... or are you offering, for our air defense, to buy ammunition from NATO ???
            You need to be realistic ... that's when they master the gross programmable small-caliber projectile, then create systems for it, while it's fantastic ... and again, what about low-flying drones?
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 21 June 2020 17: 54 New
              0
              lasers are needed. kilowatt needs to be developed for tracked and wheeled platforms. Kilowatt lasers are not as monstrous as Peresvet (by the way, FIG knows what power it has if it has strategic air defense) and a Kargu-type drone can be damaged quickly by lightly firing propellers or heating the motor. For this, even a particularly powerful laser is not needed. and you need good sensors - radar, multi-channel optics and nimble SLA
  17. imobile2008
    imobile2008 19 June 2020 21: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Threaded Screw
    Well, there are all kinds of "Automobile depots", "Rubella" and so on.
    As far as I understand, this is still not EMR or even microwave emitters.

    It is necessary to find new in physics. And for this you need to invest in physics. At the moment, this is impossible even theoretically. Further 3 meters microwave radiation is useless. And if there is a screen, then it is completely useless.
    1. Yarhann
      Yarhann 20 June 2020 07: 54 New
      0
      and what happens to microwave radiation after overcoming 3 km, and the signalman is a signalman?
  18. sen
    sen 20 June 2020 03: 54 New
    +2
    Yes, the Turks are great, but when will we have similar developments?
    If a swarm of UAVs is flying in formation, then you can try the ammunition of a three-dimensional explosion.
    1. riwas
      riwas 20 June 2020 04: 03 New
      +1
      If a swarm of UAVs are flying in formation

      Or use shrapnel NURs with controlled remote blasting.
      1. riwas
        riwas 21 June 2020 03: 59 New
        +1
        the best swarm is provided by 122 caliber RS ​​kamikaze

        No, it was a weapon about defeating enemy UAVs.
    2. Yarhann
      Yarhann 20 June 2020 08: 03 New
      +1
      there is already a very long time — the best swarm is provided by 122-caliber RS ​​kamikazes, by the way they are also shot down although they are several times faster, but with a massive attack by several BM Grad — no Iron Dome can handle (although it successfully cuts out such single targets) .
      And the most massive episode of the use of various kamikaze drones was the Berlin offensive operation - when several thousand different killer drones were simultaneously in the air during artillery preparation.
  19. stone
    stone 20 June 2020 08: 53 New
    -2
    I did not understand the pathos of the author of the article. What the fuck is “locomotive” ?! Well, successfully used in Syria, UAV and Chevo? Since the 80s, they have been successfully used by more advanced countries. And now 2020! Well, the Turks are developing and trying to create new UAVs, including kamikaze. So a bunch of such developments everywhere, around the world. Regarding the swarm of kamikaze, the very same Israel 10 years ago, if desired, could launch, for example, 50 pieces of “Haropov” and a dozen more names of kamikaze drones, if there were multiple targets.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 20 June 2020 11: 01 New
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      Can you give an example about the successful use by advanced countries from the 80s and especially the swarm?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 12: 37 New
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        “And you can give an example.” laughing
        1. stone
          stone 20 June 2020 14: 19 New
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          Why envy that, my dear? An unknown journalist from an unknown magazine wrote about an unknown Turkish company, what they create, etc ... What are the specific achievements then? This is the bunch laughing
      2. stone
        stone 20 June 2020 14: 09 New
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        1982 - operation to destroy the Syrian air defense in the Bekaa Valley, as a reference point for the mass use of UAVs. Is getting tired?
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 14: 42 New
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          Previously, before the Turks, no one used UAVs in large quantities. There were targeted attacks on single targets. But, as a conventional weapon, no one used them before Turkey.
          “What are the concrete achievements then?” YouTube will help you. Not a blind person will see, not a deaf person will hear.
          1. stone
            stone 20 June 2020 15: 03 New
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            Can you read Russian, sort of? I asked about the specific achievements of this company STM and the Kargu drone. They are not, not in YouTube, not in fact, because these are all advertising campaigns. Regarding the use of UAVs by Turkey, I kind of wrote earlier “Well, UAVs have been used successfully in Syria and why? Successfully more advanced countries have been using them since the 80s,” which is an example. Massively, this is not a swarm.
            "But, as a conventional weapon, no one used them before Turkey." - This is, to put it mildly, a controversial statement. wink
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 15: 30 New
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              "to put it mildly, a controversial statement." Not controversial, there is no other such fact. On the account of Karg, there are their use against the PKK, in which 5 terrorists were neutralized. There is another fact that in history, the PKK terrorist raised his hands for the first time to the drone Karg hanging overhead in an open area, realizing that will not run away)
              1. stone
                stone 20 June 2020 15: 54 New
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                There is a fact of mass discharge of videos to the Internet for the first time in the world, I agree with this laughing
                I brought you the fact of mass use, from the distant 82 years.
                There is still a fact that in history, for the first time, a PKK terrorist raising his hands surrendered to the drone Karg hanging overhead in an open area, realizing that he would not run away)
                I did not find this, but funny, is there a link? But in fact, this Karg is a multicopter, giving out nothing for 30 minutes. flight, such a car is released everywhere)
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 16: 25 New
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                  “but it’s funny, is there a link?” I watched a TV program (in Turkish) about the operation “Olive Branch.” There, a former special forces officer, now a military analyst, Mete Yarar spoke about this incident that happened in the vicinity of Afrin. The person is quite experienced and truthful, and I have no reason to doubt. By the way, he is an ardent supporter of the purchase of S-400 systems by the Turks, he told Turkish viewers a lot about the performance characteristics of this air defense.
                  “Hagu is a multicopter that doesn’t give out 30 minutes of flight, they let out such cars everywhere.” Yes, there are many of them. But the point is in the smart systems installed in them, which are a little different.
                  1. stone
                    stone 20 June 2020 20: 08 New
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                    I watched a TV program (in Turkish) about the operation "Olive Branch." There, a former special forces soldier, now an analyst in the military sphere Mete Yarar, spoke about this incident that happened in the vicinity of Afrin. The person is quite experienced and truthful, and I have no reason to doubt
                    Yah? I understand that the Turkish TV channel "Star"! Everything is clear with you! laughing
                    "But the point is smart systems installed in them, in which they are a little different."
                    I’m talking about this! Where did the Turks, relatively inexperienced in this matter, have such smart systems? It doesn’t happen, dear. No offense smile
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 20: 48 New
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                      Ignorance of their language deprives you of a lot of information. I have no such problems, I understand everything, a lot of information about their activities, and where they lie and where they tell the truth, I distinguish them right away.
                      "Where did the Turks, relatively inexperienced in this business, have such smart systems?"
                      Apparently from the same lack of understanding of their language, you have little information about the Aselsan, Havelsan, Roketsan, and Baykar companies and what they do.
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 20 June 2020 21: 09 New
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                        If you speak English, I recommend looking for a partial acquaintance with the level of their activity, these "relatively inexperienced"
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XHoBDTuFks
                      2. agond
                        agond 22 June 2020 22: 19 New
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                        The task of protecting the Carapace-C from small drones is solved, for this it should be equipped with an automatic gambler (and not only him). And then if a 12-caliber shotgun with a 50-meter shot falls into a duck, the automatic gambler will confidently drop drones at distances of 100-200 m no matter how many were in the pack.
                      3. seagull
                        seagull 23 June 2020 11: 59 New
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                        I thought the same thing about re-equipping soldiers with 12-gauge self-loading / automatic weapons with ammunition with buckshot .... from low-flying drones it will be ....
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 June 2020 14: 56 New
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    Quote: Klingon
    Are you serious? machine gun? Yes, you must be a sniper to hit a small moving high-speed target wassat
    it was even difficult to make striped with their M134 with a drone (see the video on YouTube) and you want to get small fast drones from such a rather slow machine gun like Maxim !? Something tells me that you will not get

    The goal of the eta is very slow and you don’t have to hit it for several kilometers, but for several hundred meters. So do not beat the sniper. In addition, you can think about an automatic hunting rifle. Against a swarm near the ground up to 100 meters or more, you can use ground anti-helicopter mines.
    Finally, all means of blinding and harassment can also affect the optics of drones.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 23 June 2020 15: 57 New
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      The Kargu’s flight speed at a height of 1000 m is 72 km / h + (this is how they developed during testing up to 150 km / h), but they fly to the target, fall almost vertically and gain speed of 240 km / h. Imagine a man with a gun knows that a bomb with "his seeing eyes" flies towards him, maybe not just one. What are everyone's chances?
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 June 2020 16: 28 New
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    Quote: Oquzyurd
    The Kargu’s flight speed at a height of 1000 m is 72 km / h + (this is how they developed during testing up to 150 km / h), but they fly to the target, fall almost vertically and gain speed of 240 km / h. Imagine a man with a gun knows that a bomb with "his seeing eyes" flies towards him, maybe not just one. What are everyone's chances?

    And why is it necessary to shoot at Karg only when he falls on the target? Then it will be too late, then it is necessary to crush or cover in taming a man with a gun. When you are a kid, a man with a gun or a machine gun will not be alone in the field. They will be hundreds and thousands, more than Hargu. A fighter with a gun is much cheaper than a drone. He falls to run in Ukraine, and his neighbors shoot at the drone.
    1. agond
      agond 25 June 2020 20: 58 New
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      A fighter with a gun is much cheaper than a drone.

      It’s very difficult for a person to notice a small target in the sky, let alone get hit, the machine must shoot, by the way, the optional mini-gun anti-aircraft gun must shoot from the ground, it can be mounted on an unmanned electric helicopter with an engine drive via cable from a ground-based generator.