Indian Air Force wants to urgently receive more than 30 Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI in connection with the border conflict

The Indian media reported that the command of the Indian Air Force appealed to the Ministry of Defense with an appeal to urgently purchase more than three dozen Russian fighters.

This call was reportedly made against the backdrop of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed region of Ladakh, where a bloody clash between Indian and Chinese troops occurred this week.

According to published information, the Indian Air Force wants to get 12 Su-30MKI fighters and 21 MiG-29s. At the same time, it was proposed to immediately upgrade the MiG-29 fighters to the MiG-29UPG variant. It is proposed to assemble the Su-30MKI at HAL enterprises (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) from the received kits.

This information caused a stir primarily in India itself. It is noted that if earlier in the Air Force the countries stated the need to purchase more than a hundred of the latest fighters, including the French Rafale, now they urgently decided to purchase the MiG-29 and Su-30MKI. And this despite the fact that these Russian fighters in India were often criticized - they say, "obsolete equipment."

Criticism is now heard against the government of the country, which for years can not decide which fighters to buy for it.

Rafale contracted, but getting the planes stretched out over a long period of time. There is no data on when, in New Delhi, they finally decide on other fighter options for the modernization of the Air Force fleet. Recall that neither MiG-29 nor Su-30MKI was on this list. And on the short list, in addition to all the same “Rafales,” appear American F-18, Swedish JAS 39 Gripen and Russian MiG-35 and Su-35. Also, the United States is trying to promote its modernized F-16s to the Indian market. The upgrade is designated as F-21 (specifically for India).

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Indian Air Force wants to urgently receive more than 30 Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI in connection with the border conflict

It must be supplied. If there is. Although our Air Force does not have export equipment, but an order for the plant, it’s been a year .... It was necessary to pick less in the nose, now we would ship it.
There seems to be no war, but tension ..... and China keeps our pebbles in our bosom.

[Pessimist22]

Indian media can write a lot of things, but this is not a fact.

[Ilya-spb]

Ek Indians pinned! They had to support the 5th generation airplane project,
and not get out of it.

Let them pay. We will produce and supply.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Ek Indians pinned!

Until the thunder strikes, the Hindu will not read his HariRama.

[Alex777]

Chinese sticks with nails were just healing.
Sell ​​out of stock, pre-painted.
And we will buy MIG-35 for this money.

[alexmach]

Chinese sticks with nails were just healing

Do not laugh with someone else’s culture, this is actually an ancient remedy used in Chinese medicine :)

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

It was necessary to pick less in a nose, now would ship.

So, it is quite possible that they are planning this amount to make up for possible losses ...
And so, we must offer them that they would now buy out the Bulgarian MiGs, and Russia would modernize them ... And with Su ... I think that within a year Sukhoi will cope with the task of supplying the necessary components

[Polite Moose]

Quote: svp67

.And with Su ...

God bless him with SU. What will we do with C later?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Polite Elk

God bless him with SU. What will we do with C later?

That's it! I thought about that too.

[svp67]

Quote: Polite Elk

What will we do with C later?

But nothing ... China as it is not very shy, becoming us "across" in Ukraine, in Belarus ... and many other places. In this case, one must learn a "fine game"

[Polite Moose]

Quote: svp67

China is somehow not very shy,

Unfortunately, they can afford it. Hope only while they can. While they are much thicker than ours (GDP, I mean), we have to reckon with this. And also it is impossible to discount the possibility of the PRC turning into the arms of the n-owls, for example, after the Indians used our weapons on their troops. So, my opinion is that there is no need to refuse from deliveries of BT to India, but the implementation deadlines should be postponed for as long as possible. And there, you see, the dust settles down.

[svp67]

Quote: Polite Elk

And also it is impossible to discount the possibility of a reversal of China in the arms of the n-owls

I don’t think they’ll go for it now, it’s a "loss of face", but for them it is death, and a literal one. They did not declare "war", but to them ...

Quote: Polite Elk

So, my opinion is that there is no need to refuse from deliveries of BT to India, but the implementation deadlines should be postponed for as long as possible.

And here it will not work otherwise. "By the dictates of a pike ..." such a technique does not appear.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: svp67

But here it will not work out otherwise.

Well, good. And the wolves are full and the sheep are whole.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Polite Elk

And there, you see, the dust settles down.

When the dust has settled, you will go covered in dust, but with an empty dusty bag to the hut, with a thought: "Why am I so smart?"

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Mavrikiy

When the dust has settled, you will go covered in dust, but with an empty dusty bag to the hut, with a thought: "Why am I so smart?"

Although he danced both, he did not have to marry either. We will continue to dance. A bag, although dusty, but roomy. Coming soon.

[Revolver]

Quote: Polite Elk

While they are much thicker than ours (GDP, I mean)

Yeah, Si is much thicker than GDP. He is there seditiously called Winnie the Pooh. It got to the point that in China, everything related to Winnie the Pooh was banned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi

[5-9]

And C can buy 36 (48 ???) Su-35 another 136 (148) ... we are good - we will sell .... well, or catch up with the waves of bloggers with wonderful Jin, who Indians like a rag .. decide.

[Revolver]

Quote: Polite Elk

What will we do with C later?

Nothing personal, just a business supporting Russian aircraft manufacturers.
And if C does not like it, then offer to go on a visit to Peru. Somewhere to the point marked on the map.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Nagan

And if C does not like

then the n-ss will not fail to take advantage of the situation, they will change hands in the air about a squabble with China, pour cookies over them, and we will go with our oil trade to the geographical point you designated. It will move there

Quote: Nagan

business supporting Russian aircraft manufacturers

This is at best, just when the relationship is cooling. And if China joins the anti-Russian sanctions, and even persuades its satellites to the same, then many of our manufacturers (not only aircraft) will be able to change their place of registration to a city with a "falling" tower.
And only authors of the Kama Sutra will remain with us in serious trading partners, which will have to be tested by the brains of the trade representatives of our side from cover to cover.
Therefore, my opinion: no need to aggravate. Let the elephant and the dragon calm down, disperse into holes. And there: Oops! Hello again!

[Revolver]

Quote: Polite Elk

change in the air over the squabbles with China, sprinkle cookies on them

Trump - not in life, and the shit will be happy. They are happy for any weakening of America, and the strengthening of China will lead precisely to this.

Quote: Polite Elk

And if China joins anti-Russian sanctions, and even inclines its satellites to it

That is, do you think that the Russian Federation is a state dependent on China, and it is necessary to drive it even deeper into dependence in order to make China a pure satellite?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Nagan

Trump - not for life,

Do you think that if he has the opportunity to drive a wedge between Russia and China, even at the cost of personal ambitions, he will hesitate?

Quote: Nagan

crap will be happy. They welcome any weakening of America.

Sorry, I didn’t quite understand here. If you mean the weakening of Trump America, then I agree.

Quote: Nagan

So you think that the Russian Federation is a state dependent on China

China is currently our situational ally and a very large trading partner. And we really depend on him to some extent. And also China is one of the few states that can afford to pursue an independent policy. There is a dependence - and this is not the worst. We walk around a little fat, we grow a bang on the table, and then we'll see how the chip lies.

Quote: Nagan

and it is necessary to drive even deeper into dependence in order to make China a pure satellite?

It is unclear why you made such a conclusion. I just think that in the context of the heated conflict between India and China, we should refrain (temporarily) from the supply of weapons to the Indians, because we risk losing the strongest ally at the moment, even if only temporary. Well, and in the appendage I want to say that in the war of India and China, I would put 5: 1 on the PLA. Therefore, I consider it unreasonable to jeopardize our weapons systems.

[bayard]

Quote: Polite Elk

God bless him with SU. What will we do with C later?

And we’ll sell one more batch of Su-35 to Comrade Si - so as not to offend anyone.
And when after that the Indians screeched with resentment ... ... offer them Su-57, but more so that China is envious.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: bayard

And we’ll sell one more batch of Su-35 to Comrade Si - so as not to offend anyone.

in in. another S-400. also a hot commodity.
And do not forget about Pakistan. Pakistan also has claims against India and China

[bayard]

S-400 has already been delivered to China - enough for now, there is one.
But India is asking to hurry up with the delivery of S-400, they have gotten better with air defense.
Against the combination of China-Pakistan, India is much weaker, so if we take it, we will give everything for the sake of balance in the world.

[Herman 4223]

No Bulgarian, let them take new ones. In an instant, orders are needed.

[svp67]

Quote: Herman 4223

No Bulgarian, let them take new ones. In an instant, orders are needed.

No, you are wrong ... These MiG orders will not pass by, but while many new parts will be produced, it is necessary to modernize the "Bulgarian" MiGs, at the same time, Ukraine will be left without replenishment

[Herman 4223]

Bulgarian twinks are as old as the Ukrainian ones, even if they replenish for us they will not represent threats.
But the production of new cars may suffer due to old trash.

[Alex777]

And so, we must offer them that they would now buy out the Bulgarian MiGs, and Russia would modernize them ..

What for? Let the Bulgarians torment selling.
Yes, and there is no resource left at all.
Therefore, they sell.

[Pavel57]

Quickly redeem old MiG-29s in NATO countries, Peru, Malaysia.

[Cyril G ...]

It seems that the conversation has been going on since the beginning of the year about the purchase of 21 MiG-29SMT, it is not clear only that they will be arranged by the Algerian ones from the availability, or the newly built

[Kolka Semenov]

Most likely this is the end of the story about the presence of the MiG-29SMT in our Air Force - they will simply be given to the Indians. However, I do not mind, if only they would buy in return an additional fifty Su-35s.

[Cyril G ...]

This is a level of speculation. We have available Algerian SMTs and have been in reserve since 18-19. See Google Maps in Halino. They can be driven through inspection and maintenance and immediately send ...

[Kolka Semenov]

Yes, I know that. You and I were discussing the size of the Air Force fleet, and I wondered why the command was trying to get rid of the MiG-29 in any way, including the modification of the SMT. So the opportunity turned up.

[Cyril G ...]

I agree. Less headache.
The re-equipment of Eribuni is in question.

[Pavel57]

It is better to have a Mig-35.

[TermNachTer]

The MiG-29 can be taken from storage bases and quickly "shamanized". In general, it pleases, that's what the life-giving pendal does)))

[rocket757]

So it can be assumed that this technique is fully mastered, flight technical personnel trained, i.e. if anything, it will immediately be used as combat units, without any difficulties.
It is only logical if this is the case.
At the expense of obsolete or not ??? this is generally an endless topic for bloggers ... the main criterion, the military believes that everything is fine, justified ... then what to discuss?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

fully mastered, flight technical personnel trained, i.e. if anything, it will immediately be used as combat units, without any difficulties.

How to flaunt at parades and in a press release - and "Rafale" is good, but as if it smelled of gunpowder - give me Russian weapons ... Buy, gentlemen, Indians ... Let's put it. Orders will not harm our military-industrial complex ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

and how the gunpowder smelled

A peck of a roasted rooster in the region of the lower chakra is:
+150 Decision Speed
+200 to logic
-100 to choreography

[venik]

Quote: Polite Elk

A peck of a roasted rooster in the region of the lower chakra is:
+150 Decision Speed
+200 to logic
-100 to choreography

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There are no words!

[Revolver]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How to parade in the parades and in the press release

Tejas is the first to show off at parades - they say we are among the great aviation producing powers. And how smelled fried, about Tejas and do not remember about the support of domestic manufacturers, too.

[rocket757]

So the events in Syria have clearly shown that there is an effective, intensive, militant "work".
Nobody believed that it was possible at all, all the more praised his own, but looked down upon ours ... now they are silent however, EVERYTHING AND AT ONCE! And who carefully looked, very much shook on a mustache ... here is the result.

[Reserve buildbat]

As always - while everything is quiet - dancing with snot, the choice of which is more popular, and how the heat starts - they immediately rush for reliable, efficient and more or less familiar planes.

[Cowbra]

Normally. free or do you still have to pay extra?

[Revolver]

Quote: Cowbra

Normally. free or do you still have to pay extra?

Turkeys, unlike blacks, Arabs, and Latinos, pay with real money, and not with loans that they then write off, and not even with palm oil. Another thing is that they pay very tightly, and at the same time, their brains will be completely and completely.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Nagan

Another thing is that they pay very tightly, and at the same time, their brains will be completely and completely.

This is a fact! I dealt with them in the late 90s., Three hours of negotiations about nothing, in a cold conference room in the winter and, already sweating, but it seems to be agreed, but after a week everything is new.

[Pavel57]

As for real money, it’s not unambiguous that a large percentage of offset is prescribed in contracts.

[Dmitry Makarov]

India urgently needed MiG-29 and Su-30 fighters
In response, the Chinese bought a pair of S-400 divisions

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Until the thunder strikes, the man does not. crosses themselves, the Indians campaign did not know about it.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Until the thunder strikes, the man does not. crosses themselves, the Indians campaign did not know about it.

Krishnaites. What to take?

[Siberian 66]

Normally, the boys left the stones and waved with sticks .... They ran after the fighters ...
History has not seen such a jerk of conflict from stones to fighters ..

[Revolver]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

History has not seen such a jerk of conflict from stones to fighters ..

But why don’t they grab hold of a vigorous loaf right away?

[Doccor18]

A delicate situation. You can sell, but the PRC is clearly not happy about this. India is export orders, China is the only ally in the UN Security Council.

[venik]

"...The Indian Air Force command appealed to the Ministry of Defense with an appeal to urgently purchase more than three dozen Russian fighters. ..."
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We danced .... We went through the grubs until the roasted cock in the seat ..... did not peck! Now fuss! They always have it like this: they twist the "face" until they bake! And then it begins: "Give Christ for the sake of the former deputy of the former State Duma from the former Cadet faction ....."

[V1er]

The rooster opened the hidden chakra of wisdom)

[demo]

Yo mine!
Now it’s clear why the Russian Federation is friends with both China and India!

[Lynx-z]

Why not Rafali?

[5-9]

At least they can make no more than 12 pieces a year ..... the Gauls to the Egyptians even snatched the first pair of pieces from the hands of their military to fulfill the contract ... I don’t remember, the Egyptian contract has already been completed?
Yes, and they have not yet been mastered .... and a mess on the nose

[Lynx-z]

the same garbage was with "tigers", "panthers", etc. the cars are good, but it is long and difficult to do

[venik]

Quote: Lynx-Z

Why not Rafali?

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Well, they already answered above:
1. Deliveries of "Rafale" are delayed (due to coronavirus);
2. Aircraft - unfamiliar! Until his will master (both flight and technical personnel), while they create the necessary infrastructure ....... Yes, and with weapons - problems (and not small!) - it is necessary to adapt to what the Indians already have, or to master a new one .... And that’s all - time, time, time .....
In short, until "Rafali" becomes a FULL-VALUED component of the Indian Air Force ..... Well, two years, and maybe 3-4 will last ... And here - everything is already good for a long time mastered!

[Kolka Semenov]

So after all, to fight and not to dance.

[Ros 56]

Yeah, now we’ll glue it from a piece of paper and send it to India. Planes are not in reserve for the Indians, they must be done. Well cranks, these gypsies.

[Herman 4223]

It seems that the Indian Air Force knows exactly what they need. Both cars are armed and well-studied, cheap and unpretentious, just what you need for an intense military conflict.

[silverwolf88]

Cool ... i.e. You can bargain with France and the rest of the USA ... BUT before you really need to fight ??? ... and then the planes are not the same to them ... you see the price and conditions, whether without dancing ... the conflict as a moment of truth)))

[Miron]

Firstly, the Su-30 and MiG-29 are no longer manufactured. Production is set up for the MiG-35 and PAK-FA machines.
Secondly, until China and India cease hostilities and the situation moves onto the rails of mutual peace, respect and control, weapons will not be delivered to either China or India. This is a definitive answer that has no catch.
Russia will not sponsor the war of India and China.
If India believes that it needs support, the Russian military is ready to guarantee the security of India, provided that the two countries are located at the point of contact. With appropriate provision of equipment and financial problems, on the one hand, and legal and physical guarantees on the other.
I. e. Russia has the right to use force at its discretion to comply with the peace protocol, and China and India are responsible for the victims, without the right to challenge in third instances.
Arbitration is granted in the Basmanny court of Moscow.

[Greenwood]

Beautifully painted. Truth has nothing to do with reality.

[avia12005]

PAK FA - Komsomolsk. Su-30 - Ulan-Ude, where are you going?

[Cyril G ...]

The MiG-35 and MiG-29SMT and MiG-29M2 are essentially the same thing. It will be necessary to build an SMT. But I suppose it will be for SMT located in the Reserve, Kursk. 10 year old ....
Su-30SM, which in fact is the Su-30MKI quite a series in itself. Last year, 4 Su-30SM Belarusians and 4 Su-30SM Armenians were built offhand, and for us the contract has not yet been completed. Fleet offhand did not receive 4 sides.

[Kolka Semenov]

Quote: Cyril G ...

The MiG-35 and MiG-29SMT and MiG-29M2 are essentially the same thing. It will be necessary to build an SMT. But I suppose it will be for SMT located in the Reserve, Kursk. 10 year old ....
Su-30SM, which in fact is the Su-30MKI quite a series in itself. Last year, 4 Su-30SM Belarusians and 4 Su-30SM Armenians were built offhand, and for us the contract has not yet been completed. Fleet offhand did not receive 4 sides.

Is the Mig-29SMT and Mig35 the same thing?
I just thought there would be at least some qualitative differences in favor of the 35th. That the Mig-29M2 is almost the 35th I am ready to believe, but if there are no differences from the SMT, then the 35th is all very bad.

[Cyril G ...]

Essentially the same thing. Even the radar slotted on the first MiG-35 is rumored. Upgraded Topaz. Not yet AFAR.

[Kolka Semenov]

This is very bad. Without AFAR Mig-35 nafig did not fall. Yes, even the Beetle-A barely reaches the parameters of Bars, but this slotted feces has to be removed for 30 years already.

[Zaurbek]

They (and we) already need to upgrade the Su30 themselves to the Su35go. This topic was voiced, but something was quiet.

[Kolka Semenov]

They want an AFAR on the Su-30, and ours, as I understand it, cannot do it. Or they can, but in the available dimensions of the Su-30 fairing, it shows significantly worse parameters than the PFAR Bars or Irbis, which does not upset the Indians themselves.

[Zaurbek]

Well, Indians can put alternative radars ....

[Kolka Semenov]

This didn’t fall for us - to give such a fat piece to the side. The problem is that the size of the Su-30 under the radar is 900mm (emnip) and the AFAR radar of similar indicators takes at least 1200-1300mm and this is not only ours - the Western ones are hardly better, the physics is the same for everyone. It will not work out to radically change the nose compartment under the radar, which means they wouldn’t have to curl up, but take Irbis.

[Zaurbek]

Which western fighter has a fairing more than Su27-30-35? F35 and F22 have much less. And there is AFAR. F16 and F18 are also smaller. And there is AFAR. F15 is similar. And there is AFAR.

[fiberboard]

They should have thought after an air battle with Pakistan right away. And procured from us, the French, the Americans, who will decide.

[7,62x54]

Get in line. Free MIGs and Dryers flew to Libya

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Again, the Indians WISH ... What they just did not want lately, but beyond the DESIRE, the matter did not advance. Now WISH to scare China ... oh India, India !!!!

[5-9]

Yeah ... if you were going to fight, then you need to buy Russian weapons .... as the fried rooster began to crow, it became clear that ten years of dancing with tambourines for the purchase of 36 aircraft was not comme il faut ... and even the current conflict with the packs, when in the conflict area there was nothing but Mig-21-93, indicative ...

[pytar]

The Indian media reported that the command of the Indian Air Force appealed to the Ministry of Defense with an appeal to urgently purchase more than three dozen Russian fighters.

In such a populous country, there are many media outlets! They write different things in them! There is a candidate for the acquisition of various weapons, and most of all for the acceleration of national weapons programs. In April, the Ministry of Finance of India tightened its policy of allocating funds to the Ministry of Defense programs due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The recent border conflict with China has flared up, giving the military a reason to demand a review of the Finance Ministry’s decision and an increase in defense spending! It is unlikely that India will buy used aircraft. They have accumulated a lot of trash. Most likely they will accelerate tenders for the acquisition of new ones, and also increase the financing of their projects. India has clearly decided - it will develop its own, but it will not do without foreign assistance! Here it is possible to intensify technological cooperation with other countries, including Russia. But since Russia has a special relationship with China, India relies more on help from the United States.

[Vasyan1971]

Criticism is now heard against the government of the country, which for years can not decide which fighters to buy for it.

Like the classic:

"Did you sing everything? This thing:
So go dance! "

©
Jimi Jimi, acha acha ...
And if it's no joke, the "information that appeared in the Indian media" does not mean anything.

[CBR600]

Reptiles are tattered !!!! Merged with the contract for Su57, lose-save, help! Yes, to sell, in a triad !!!

[Jarserge]

What are they? Indeed, according to the Indian press, Rafali is "the best fighters in the world." Apparently in the Indian Air Force and in political circles, battles between lobbyists continue. and the military sense has nothing to do with it.

[Volkov]

They do not need airplanes. Another attempt, if not to put it on its side, but at least to achieve neutrality of the Russian Federation in a potential conflict with China. When the conflict with Pakistan was, Hindus also remembered sharply about the purchase of weapons from us.

[DEVIL LIFE'S]

Have you jumped?

[Sofa]

Too many Indians want either a discount on technology or technology transfer to them. They want to sit on two chairs !!!!! France or Russia intentionally knocking down the price. They should not get it themselves will soon come back, which happens.

[Klingon]

this is how it happens when a roasted cock pecks in one place - all sorts of tenders and Bollywood disappear right away and sober pragmatism remains - they will be nice to buy not very expensive but proven, albeit not the latest equipment!

[cat Rusich]

"Peking duck" pecked in the ass of the Indians ... Now there is no time to choose (dance) - they will buy what they will sell, and the Indians were warned not to "twist their booty" - to buy a MiG.

[Sarcasm]

It looks more like fake news, since initially it was nonsense about "here and now", "yesterday", and several dozen planes.

But all the same, thanks to the Chinese comrades for setting the brains of the Indians. Although it’s good for ourselves, despite the fact that we supply quite modern weapons to the Indians, it’s better for the Chinese, the profile of Uncle Sam in the neighbor’s window does not smile at all.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Hehe .. He pecked a roasted cock .. Stirred ... And how they spat on our equipment

[123456789]

Quote: Polite Elk

God bless him with SU. What will we do with C later?

act as a mediator in resolving the conflict of two nuclear powers