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The Zemsky army of 1922: a short history and a hopeless battle

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In July 1922, the Zemsky Army was created in the Far East - the last somewhat large military formation of the White Movement, operating on their native land. History its short, and fate is tragic. Without going into ideological reasoning, let us try to reflect on whether it could have been different at that time and under the existing conditions.


By the summer of 1922, the position of the White movement in Russia was no longer catastrophic, but hopeless. All battles and battles that could be lost were lost. In fact, all the armies that opposed the Bolsheviks were completely defeated. Crimea was taken, Kolchak was defeated and shot by the Left Social Revolutionaries, the Czechoslovak corps retired from the country, and the Entente countries clearly showed that they would not fight seriously with the Reds.

The Far East is the last fragment of non-Soviet Russia, and even this is mainly due to the fact that quite significant forces of the Japanese army are concentrated on its territory. However, they are also actively preparing for the evacuation: both Americans are pressing on Tokyo, who have not worked out well with the intervention in Russia, and they categorically do not want to strengthen the Japanese positions there, as well as their own opponents of the war. If in the Land of the Rising Sun it came to the formation of the Communist Party and the "Society for the Rapprochement with Soviet Russia", then the soldier, perhaps it is better to return home. Yes, and this adventure is too expensive, which turned out to be not so economically advantageous.

In the camp of whites, holding positions only in the Amur region, meanwhile there is complete strife: the People’s Assembly opposes the already decisive government, it is supported by the military, and ultimately the Amur Zemsky Territory appears under the leadership of some historians as the Amur State Formation “ the last knight of the White Movement ”, Lieutenant General Mikhail Diterichs. This military leader with great combat experience was undoubtedly a monarchist to the core: in accordance with the traditions of the Russian Empire, the Amur Zemsky Sobor was convened in Vladivostok.

The decisions made by this meeting were as noble and beautiful-hearted as they were unrealizable in practice. They decided to appeal to the surviving representatives of the Romanov dynasty to transfer “legitimate authority” to them, and until the true sovereign returns to the throne, transfer the powers of the supreme ruler of Russia to Diterichs. The general, who accepted the rank of commander-in-chief (zemstvo governor), by his first decree created the new armed forces of the Amur Region - the Zemsky army. This army will be routed in less than 3 months after formation. The offensive against the closest Bolsheviks, the Far Eastern Republic, will be successful in just two weeks, after which it will choke and, turning into heavy defensive battles, will end in complete collapse.

Why did it happen so? Indeed, under the leadership of Diterichs, it was by no means the “green” recruits who fought, but the “Semenovtsy” and “Kappelites,” soldiers and officers with tremendous experience and combat potential. The total number of Zemsky ratification personnel at the beginning of its offensive operations exceeded 8 thousand, most of which were veterans, war professionals. They were also equipped quite well: the Japanese army leaving the Russian land rather generously shared with the army of Diterichs weapons and ammunition. The "Zemstvo", among other things, even had four armored trains. However, the trouble was that it was in reality all the forces of the whites. In fierce battles with the advancing parts of the Reds, constantly fueled by reserves, they quickly melted. These battles were virtually hopeless.

All attempts by Dieterichs to make up for human losses by mobilizing - at first partial, and then universal, in fact, did not lead to anything at all. The local population categorically did not want to fight, (at least for the whites), and potential recruits simply scattered somewhere. With the same success, the zemstvo governor tried to improve the material situation of his troops: his appeals to entrepreneurs, merchants, wealthy people of the Amur region, for obvious reasons completely not interested in the Bolshevik victory, did not lead to any real results. A lot of patriotic big words - and absolutely penny "donations" for which it was impossible to equip and arm even a company.

The tragic history and agony of the "small and fearless" Zemsky rati was the latest evidence that the Civil War was completely lost by the whites. Moreover, in the first place, they were defeated not on the battlefield, but in the battle for the minds and hearts of people. No matter how beautiful and noble the monarchical ideas of Dieterichs may sound, the restoration of the autocracy did not at all suit the vast majority of workers and peasants, whom the Bolsheviks promised not only “freedom of equality and fraternity”, but quite concrete land and factories with factories.

Moreover, in the Far East, the partisan movement played a much larger role than the regular units of the Red Army in defeating the White Guards. “Thank you” for the fact that the inhabitants of this region, who initially reacted to the Soviet regime without the slightest enthusiasm, started the war against the “liberators” in gold uniforms, the latter should have said the terror that was launched in this territory not only by foreign invaders - the same Czechoslovak corps, the Japanese or the Americans, and the army of Kolchak. Yes, Diterichs was a categorical opponent of all violence against those who did not want to fall under his banner, and strictly forbade the use of any repression against them. He only with deep sorrow of the true knight asked: “Where is the service of the idea?”

There were no people willing to serve among the residents of the Amur region. Remaining without replenishment, and in the very near future without cartridges, the Zemsky army was defeated, revealing, however, another example of an unbending Russian military spirit. Formed in the summer of 1922, it ceased to exist by October.
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soldiers of the Zemsky rati (in the center, General Diterichs), archive photo, VKontakte
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 19 June 2020 09: 05 New
    +4
    the story of how it was.
    you need to know that not to repeat the previous mistakes.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 June 2020 09: 11 New
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      the story of how it was.
      you need to know that not to repeat the previous mistakes.


      Undoubtedly, it is necessary to know and honor history.

      But as practice shows, when someone "gets the reins under the tail" and he imagines himself to be either a "fighter for history" or its "creator" - no lessons are instructive.

      Even the most tragic.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 June 2020 09: 55 New
        +2
        "to the tail of the reins" ... it does not depend on knowledge and other things. Why? Yes fig knows her.
        Ignorance outward will shout or some kind of zaum ... equally pleasantly little.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 19 June 2020 09: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          "to the tail of the reins" ... it does not depend on knowledge and other things. Why? Yes fig knows her.

          Psychologystudying a person as a factorknow.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 June 2020 10: 01 New
            0
            To argue with someone who believes that he knows where the others shrug their hands ... is not realistic.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 19 June 2020 10: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              To argue with someone who believes that he knows where the others shrug their hands ... is not realistic.

              Now, who are you arguing with?

              It's just that your remarks seem to "throw a jamb" on my comments ...

              If I am mistaken in this, then excuse me, if not, then explain what is so controversial that you saw that psychology as a science gives very clear definitions of the motivating actions of people in a given situation, historical segment?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 June 2020 10: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: Insurgent
                It's just that your remarks seem to "throw a jamb" on my comments ...

                Why would this be? Although brevity is, of course, the sister of talent, to leave in mind more than necessary ... it’s not clear and it turns out!
                You wrote
                Quote: Insurgent
                But as practice shows, when someone "gets the reins under the tail" and he imagines himself to be either a "fighter for history" or its "creator" - no lessons are instructive.

                I just wanted to continue this statement, nothing more.
                About psychology ... the topic is complex and there are a lot of assumptions, statements that have not been verified to the end .... I don’t want to get into such wilds.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 19 June 2020 10: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  I just wanted to continue this statement, nothing more.

                  Everything is clear, accepted yes Sorry for mine misunderstanding yes
  2. knn54
    knn54 19 June 2020 09: 21 New
    -10 qualifying.
    LAST defender of the Russian Empire.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 June 2020 12: 22 New
      +3
      Come on, "defender of the Empire" .. Even during the heyday of the white movement there were very different. From monarchists and republicans to self-styledists. Krylov's fable about the swan cancer and the pike in reality.
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 19 June 2020 13: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      LAST defender of the Russian Empire.

      If this LAST defender was such an adamant knight - a monarchist, then the best that he could do without dropping the officer's honor is to put a bullet in his temple, and not continue to fertilize the Far Eastern land with Russian blood, carrying out mobilizations in an absolutely hopeless situation (and how combat officer, he should have understood this hopelessness). And he ended up like all "knights" like him, emigrating to China, leaving his army, and living there until 1937 without a homeland and a flag.
  3. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 19 June 2020 09: 42 New
    +9
    The Zemsky army was defeated, revealing, however, another example of the unbending Russian military spirit.

    What spirit, dear author, are you talking about? There was no spirit there, but the whole army of the Russian patriot Dieterichs had one thing - to snatch more, while running away. These "last knights of the White Movement" were considered puppets of the Japanese ... all that Primorsky Zemstvo is more suitable for the name not of knights, but of Vultures on the corpse of the Russian Empire !!!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      These "last knights of the White movement" were considered the puppets of the Japanese.

      We need to ask our indigenous Far Easterners about this, they know from grandfathers and great-grandfathers, and can tell more.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 19 June 2020 10: 27 New
        +5
        My statement is based on the stories of my mother-in-law, whom her mother told about it. In addition, there are historical documents about those events that are in the public domain. The author, most likely a supporter of the NEW monarchy (has the right), and therefore makes a "heroic exclamation" in the conclusion. If the author was a supporter of the Bolsheviks, he would have made another final "exclamation" .... This should be amended. And better, if you are interested, look at the materials on this topic on the websites of museums in Primorye.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 June 2020 11: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          If the author was a supporter of the Bolsheviks, he would have made another final "exclamation."

          There was a Civil War, and now you can’t put everything to the extreme points, these are red and these are white. These were all our Russian people. The need for them is not biased. They had their own lives and not for us to judge them. If there were both in my family, I can’t say this one is bad, and that one is good.
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 19 June 2020 16: 40 New
          0
          Colleague Tsymbal, I am not going to exhibit a "chorus" or "not an oud" to Deterix, but in fairness, "if the author is a supporter of the Bolsheviks", you would have looked at the author's previous publications, and then give your verdict
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 19 June 2020 20: 25 New
            -3
            Dear colleague of Astra wild, I appreciate the material, I touched on an interesting topic, but in this article he is a new monarchist. Although the author has already corrected the article ... He has the right to sympathize with anyone ...
    2. knn54
      knn54 19 June 2020 10: 06 New
      +8
      The Japanese did not give Zemsky Rat, neither the trunk nor the grenade. Neither the local rich people who considered the death of the white government to be a settled matter, nor the entrepreneurs supported Dieterichs.
      "We walked from hand to mouth, we did not have any salary. As we came, we left beggars. We did not carry out a single robbery, not a single execution. We even released spies. ... Only deep faith in the righteousness of our cause ..." - White General Anatoly Pepeliaev
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 19 June 2020 10: 46 New
        -1
        In the summer of 1922 Pepelyaev went to Vladivostok to form a military unit, which was to sail along the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with the aim of landing in Okhotsk and Ayan. At this time, a change of power took place in Vladivostok, as a result of which the ultra-right General Diterikhs became the “ruler of Primorye”. He liked the idea of ​​going to Yakutia and he helped Pepelyaev with money.
        In Vladivostok, Pepelyaev came from Harbin (China) where he fled from the Red Army .... And in 1023 he was caught and imprisoned, so he wrote from a Soviet prison (and on "from a SOVIET prison" - you have to take VERY A VERY big correction) !!!!
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 June 2020 06: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      These "last knights of the White movement" were considered the puppets of the Japanese ..

      Threaded counted
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      and Vultures on the corpse of the Russian Empire !!!!

      Vultures and traitors severed living body of RUSSIA on 36 states and brought Russia to the borders of the 17th century — not a single Mamai or Napoleon did such a thing.

      The case of Diterichs, the Zemsky rati warriors, Vladimir Oskarovich Kappel and the rest of the white heroes won after 70 years of civil war and the proud Russian and Andreevsky flags fly over Russia again.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 20 June 2020 09: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        Mom or Napoleon didn’t do that..

        Andrei, Mamai you wrote with a capital letter, and Napoleon with a capital letter. Does it follow that Mamai, from your point of view, deserves respect, unlike Napoleon?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 June 2020 09: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: AK1972
          Andrei, Mamai you wrote with a capital letter, and Napoleon with a capital letter. Does it follow that Mamai, from your point of view, deserves respect, unlike Napoleon?

          keep it simple: all I have is shift shifts yes
          1. AK1972
            AK1972 20 June 2020 10: 46 New
            +1
            Got it, it happens to me too.
      2. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 20 June 2020 17: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Vultures and traitors tore the living body of RUSSIA into 36 states and led Russia to the borders of the 17th century -

        About them and speech. But then the Bolsheviks saved Russia from them and restored it, and now, to the great grief, they won - vultures and traitors. And their flag is now over Russia, and Russia is within the borders of the 17th century.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 June 2020 07: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Sahar Medovich
          But then the Bolsheviks saved Russia from them and restored it,

          Are you completely already?

          Where RUSSIA restored? fool
          On the !

          This stub from Russia that you ... "restored" fool . Not a single mom didn’t do that.

          Let's "restore" your apartment, huh? Or is your money?
          Quote: Sahar Medovich
          and now, to great grief, they have won - vultures and traitors. And their flag is now over Russia,.

          PATRIOTS, FOR THE FIRST TIME after a hundred years after the PREVENTION by the vultures of Russia and its endless circumcision, increased its territory
          Quote: Sahar Medovich
          and Russia - within the borders of the 17th century.

          Officially created YOU in 1917-1940
          Show the other borders of RUSSIA, liar!
          1. Sugar Honeyovich
            Sugar Honeyovich 21 June 2020 09: 48 New
            -3
            Quote: Olgovich
            This stub from Russia that you ... "restored"

            If you do not know how to lie - do not make the audience laugh in the courtroom. Once I said: the Bolsheviks restored Russia, albeit not completely in its original form, so it is. First, like this:


            Then they increased, including territories that were not previously included in it:
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 June 2020 10: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              Do not know how to lie - do not make the audience laugh in the courtroom. Time i said: the Bolsheviks restored Russia, albeit not completely in its original form, which means it is so.

              Who are you, Nobody? lol
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              Then they increased, including territories that were not previously included in it:

              The territory of Russia by you since 1917 was REDUCED by 5 million km2:

              1922 year: 20,8 million km2
              1940: 16,8 million km2is from the SOVIET officer. reference books
              And before that minus one million
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              It happened just in 1917-1940, a liar!

              This is NOT Russia. If you then said that it was ... "Russia", you could get it in the face and go to jail

              Russia, in YOUR performance, is:
              1. Sugar Honeyovich
                Sugar Honeyovich 21 June 2020 13: 28 New
                -2
                It's me, your teacher, you repeat leading you out of the darkness of ignorance and error.
                Quote: Olgovich
                1922: 20,8 million km2
                1940: 16,8 million km2 is from a SOVIET officer. reference books

                From SOVIET official directories: 1922 - 21,272 million sq. km, after 1945 -22,4 million sq. km. The difference from 21,8 million sq. Km. RI - 5 million? What general subject do you know worse - history or arithmetic for elementary grades? fool
                Quote: Olgovich
                This is NOT Russia. If you then said that it was ... "Russia", you could get it in the face and go to jail

                This is Russia and nothing else. This is a TRUTH that does not become a lie, even if you can get it in the face or go to jail for it. Got it, no?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 June 2020 13: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  From SOVIET official directories: 1922 - 21,272 million square meters km, after 1945 -22,4 million sq. km.

                  I say. about RUSSIA to your comment about RUSSIA

                  You are even ashamed to name that entity, the numbers of which you give, you don’t have it, emptiness!

                  ONCE AGAIN: in many parts of the USSR, if you had called it Russia, you would have simply been given the face, and at some times you would have been jailed for chauvinism and fomenting. And deservedly!

                  Ukraine 1978, Odessa region, sang the song "Russian Field". Screams and threats from different sides: "What is the 'Russian' field here, in ya ?! Shut up!"
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  This is Russia and nothing else. . It's true

                  You do not talk for nothing, LIAR, but bring official Soviet DOCUMENTSwhere it says that the USSR is Russia. To their table!

                  Or, at least, the STATEMENTS of the first person of the USSR with this official statement. To the table!

                  That whimsically swirling in the brain, not able to master even the course of the Soviet school on this subject, is never interesting.

                  The borders of Russia under the USSR were exactly what they are today.

                  Only grownabout in 2014. For the first time in 103 years!
                  1. Sugar Honeyovich
                    Sugar Honeyovich 21 June 2020 15: 47 New
                    -1
                    And in confirmation of the fact that there are 365 days in a year, you can’t bring official documents, liar? Or that day changes to night and winter to summer?
                    A well-known fact that does not need to be proved: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was none other than 1000-year-old Russia. It was formed due to the Great Revolution that took place in the Russian Empire, which in it, the Russian Empire, grew and matured for decades and was a logical result of the rapid development of Russia, which the then authorities could not control. But it wasn’t brought, as someone here assured me out of stupidity and ignorance, wherever it came from. Clear?
                    But are there any documents, are there any, did someone say something to whom and for what they gave in the face, and not according to the passport - in this case it matters close to zero. Got it, no?
                    By the way: in the Republic of Ingushetia who said "Here is Russia" in Siberia, perhaps, the face was not touched, but they would have looked like a turkey for sure. Not to mention this: "We are not Russians, we are Ryazan."
                    1. gsev
                      gsev 21 June 2020 21: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      By the way: in the Republic of Ingushetia who said "Here is Russia" in Siberia, perhaps, the face was not touched, but they would have looked like a turkey for sure. Not to mention this: "We are not Russians, we are Ryazan."

                      Such nonsense cannot be said by a Russian. "We are not Russians, but Siberians, Razans" and the like can only be said by an ignoramus who studied at the Russian Institute of Columbia University or at the Monterey School of Translators. Unfortunately, this is a flaw in the American education system.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 June 2020 06: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                      And in confirmation of the fact that there are 365 days in a year, you can’t bring official documents, liar? Or that day changes to night and winter to summer?
                      .

                      Do not: there is MASS OF DOCUMENTS about this, liar
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      A well-known fact that does not need to be proved: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was none other than 1000-year-old Russia.

                      Imagine not yours speculations, and DOCUMENTS about this "fact" as they are about the rising of the Sun.

                      It is a well-known fact that:
                      Article 13. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is
                      union state formed on the basis of voluntary
                      associations of equal Soviet Socialist Republics:
                      Russian Soviet Federated Socialist
                      Republic
                      Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Kyrgyz Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic,
                      Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic.

                      Article 17. The right is reserved for each Union Republic
                      free exit from the USSR.

                      Where is the USSR is Russia, a liar? This is a bunch of STATES entering and leaving whoever wants to.

                      And Russia is "THE PRISON OF THE PEOPLES (Lenin)
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      in the Russian Empire of the Great Revolution, which in it, the Russian Empire, grew and matured for decades and was the logical result of the rapid development of Russia

                      A liar, even your bald dwarf, even on the eve of the Thief, grieved that he would not see her: speaking in mid-January 1917 to the socialist youth of Switzerland with a report on the Russian revolution of 1905, he noted: “We, old people, may not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution.”».
                      Got it, no?
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      But are there any documents, are there any, did someone say something to whom and for what they gave in the face, and not according to the passport - in this case it matters close to zero. Got it, no?

                      Only documents are relevant.

                      Vashcha helpless chatter - no.

                      So there will be DOCUMENTS ?. Do not find?

                      So do not fool your head with your EMPTY

                      Д
                      1. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 22 June 2020 15: 54 New
                        -1
                        The USSR is 1000-year-old Russia, an ignoramus. In principle, it cannot be anything else. Transformed only. In other countries, revolutions took place more often "from below", less often "from above". Happened more than once. From this they did not become other countries. A separate case is the countries that emerged from the empires. In this case, both the presence and absence of documents is zero.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        even your bald dwarf, even on the eve of the Thief, grieved that he would not see her:

                        Hmmm. EVEN you rarely sink to such a foolishness. Does consideration refuse powerless anger? How does it refute my words that the revolution has matured for decades, the fact that someone did not hope (or, on the contrary, hoped) not to see it? It could have happened earlier or later, "from above" or "from below", more violently or less - but it had to happen MANDATORY! The time was like that. By the will of circumstances, it happened as it happened, but it could be otherwise.
                        How do you command me to understand P.N. Durnovo, who predicted in 1914 that in the event of war a revolution would necessarily occur? And not just anyhow, but socialist? And not for some reason, but because the Russian people are inclined towards socialism?
                        Or IA Rodionov, who had declared even earlier that "the people have reached the age of revolution now"? And many others? Huh, liar?
                        Do not know how to lie - do not make the audience laugh in the courtroom. fool
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 June 2020 07: 37 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        The USSR is a 1000-year-old Russia, an ignoramus. He cannot be anything else in principle.

                        Documents and statements of the first persons of the USSR. that the USSR is Russia-on the tableliar, not your idle blasphemies, worthless.
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        How does it refute my words that the revolution has been ripening for decades, that someone did not hope (or vice versa - hoped) not to see it?

                        Karla DIDN'T SEE "ripening", but you did. belay lol
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        but it must have happened MANDATORY!

                        Indian house to you lol
                        Without WWII, no thief would have been mentioned.
                        If we cut this shusher from the Swiss army on time, there would also be nothing — everything was in the balance in October 1917 — study history.
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        How do you command me to understand P.N. Durnovo, who predicted in 1914 that in the event of war a revolution would necessarily occur? And not just anyhow, but socialist? And not for some reason, but because the Russian people are inclined towards socialism?

                        Listen to the order: Like other THOUSANDS of "predictions" - no way. yes
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Or IA Rodionov, who had declared even earlier that "the people have reached the age of revolution now"? And many others? Huh, liar?

                        Into the tube and there, there!
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Ah liar?
                        Do not know how to lie - do not make the audience laugh in the courtroom

                        bring the facts of lies, liar.

                        But the documents that the USSR is Russia, you turned out to be, are not able to. Those. are powerless. Ie-incapable. I.e., insolvent, i.e. you. laughing . lol
                      3. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 23 June 2020 18: 46 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Documents and statements of the first persons of the USSR. that the USSR is Russia-on the table

                        Read your idol, a liar and an ignoramus, Stalin. This is exactly what he said: “The whole world now recognizes that the center of the revolutionary movement has moved from Western Europe to Russia. The revolutionaries of all countries look to the USSR with hope ... The revolutionary workers of all countries unanimously applaud the Soviet working class and, above all, the Russian worker the class, the vanguard of the Soviet workers ...
                        The leaders of the revolutionary workers of all countries eagerly study the instructive history of the working class of Russia, its past, the past of Russia, knowing that apart from reactionary Russia, there was also revolutionary Russia, the Radishchevs and Chernyshevskys, the Zhelyabovs and the Ulyanovs, the Khalturins and the Alekseevs ...
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Karla DIDN'T SEE "ripening", but you ...

                        Karl may not have seen (just like you), but Lenin and many others saw perfectly. He saw and understood so well that he called on "Messrs. Romanovs, Stolypins, Ignatievs" ... to continue doing what they were doing. For from this "the revolution will gain the most"
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        If they cut this shusher from the Swiss army on time, there would also be nothing

                        Oh, holy simplicity!
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        ak and other THOUSANDS of "forecasts" - no way

                        And why, actually? Apparently, there were THOUSAND of them, and they all came true! So, really? wink
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Into the tube and there, there!

                        Impossible! No way! THIS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED THERE! THERE is a place for: "If this riffraff had been cut out of the Swiss in time, there would have been nothing either", "The USSR was not Russia", "The revolution was brought in a carriage", "The Whites fought for the freedom of the people", "Nobody chose the Bolsheviks" and the like. This is really THERE, THERE. You don't even need to fold it into the tube - it will fit! laughing
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 24 June 2020 07: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Read your idol, a liar and an ignoramus, Stalin. This is exactly what he said: “The whole world now recognizes that the center of the revolutionary movement has moved from Western Europe to Russia.

                        And WHERE is it here, liar ?!
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Karla may not have seen (just like you), but Lenin and many others saw perfectly.

                        carla she is lol
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Oh, holy simplicity!

                        there were no other such cattle-unique specimens ..
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Impossible! No way!

                        Perhaps also how: you have forgotten everything: "There are no such peaks that the Bolsheviks would not have taken"! lol

                        So, everything will work out for you yes
    4. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 21 June 2020 09: 50 New
      -2

      It happened just in 1917-1940, a liar! fool fool laughing
    5. gsev
      gsev 21 June 2020 23: 40 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      This stub from Russia that you ... "restored"

      This is the result of the work of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais and Gaidar. Nobody considers them Communists and they themselves consider themselves enemies of communism. Gorbachev is even afraid to appear in Russia ..
      Quote: Olgovich
      Let's "restore" your apartment, huh? Or is your money?

      Russian Crimea were able to return to their state. Degradation is stopped. It all depends on the Russians themselves and our enemies.
  • gsev
    gsev 20 June 2020 20: 17 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    The case of Diterichs, the Zemsky rati warriors, Vladimir Oskarovich Kappel and the rest of the white heroes won after 70 years of civil war and the proud Russian and Andreevsky flags fly over Russia again.

    When the case of Dieterchs and Kappel won, then their descendants-winners separated Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus, and Central Asia from Russia. But this is not the final victory of modern Dieterschs and drops. They are still fighting for the separation of Donbass, Crimea, Cossacks, Biarmia-Pomerania, Ingerland, Siberia, the Kuril Islands, and Cherkessia.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 June 2020 07: 21 New
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      Quote: gsev
      When the case of Dieterchs and Kappel won, then their descendants-winners separated Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus, and Central Asia from Russia.

      belay fool
      Ukraine, Belarus-separated from of Russia YOU in 1918-1924 g
      Wed Asia is separated by YOU in 1936-39 g
      Bessarabia is separated by YOU in 1940 g and pr

      All with the RIGHT of the output given by YOU. which they did, with Russian territories and people donated by YOU.

      Kappel against this your betrayal and fought
      Quote: gsev
      But this is not the final victory of modern Dieterschs and drops. They are still fighting for the separation of Donbass, Crimea, Cossacks, Biarmia-Pomerania, Ingerland, Siberia, the Kuril Islands, and Cherkessia.

      the Bolsheviks fought for this all their lives and managed a lot, see. higher.

      And still have the conscience to write ..... am
      1. gsev
        gsev 21 June 2020 21: 28 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Ukraine, Belarus-separated from Russia by YOU in 1918-1924

        Transcaucasia and Central Asia, Eastern Ukraine and Belarus were annexed to Russia in 1920, East Karelia in 1921, the Far East in 1922, Northern Sakhalin in 1923, Western Ukraine in 1939, and Western Belarus in 1940, in 1944, in 1945, in Tuva, 1980 East Prussia, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. By XNUMX, Soviet troops were located in Central Europe, Cuba, Angola, Ethiopia, Syria, Vietnam, North Korea., Yemen. This happened because the state was united by the idea of ​​justice and not by the idea of ​​Russian national superiority. If you read the Article from the Brockhaus Dictionary of Slavophiles, you have to agree that Aksakov’s attractive idea of ​​the unity of all Slavs and their worthy distinctive place among other peoples of the world degenerated into a search for a Moscow street where purebred real Russians live.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 June 2020 08: 00 New
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          Quote: gsev
          To Russia in 1920 attached Transcaucasia and Central Asia, Eastern Ukraine and Belarus, in 1921 East Karelia, 1922 Far East, in 1939 Western Ukraine, and Western Belarus, in 1940 Moldova,.

          Bring documents. liar for all declared points!
          Quote: gsev
          This happened because the state was united by the idea of ​​justice and not by the idea of ​​Russian national superiority.

          What is this "idea of ​​justice" - bring it, recorded under that name in the DOCUMENTS, a liar!
          Quote: gsev
          not the idea of ​​Russian national superiority.

          What is it dragged to? fool
          Quote: gsev
          If you read the Article from the Brockhaus Dictionary of Slavophiles, you have to agree that Aksakov’s attractive idea of ​​the unity of all Slavs and their worthy distinctive place among other peoples of the world degenerated into a search for a Moscow street where purebred real Russians live.

          what nonsense? fool
          1. gsev
            gsev 27 June 2020 18: 55 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Give the documents. a liar on all declared points!

            Did you not know that Russian troops occupied Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan at the end of 1920? Your game of contrasting the words Russian, Russian, Soviet recalls Goebbels’s demand not to mention the phrase Russian troops in German radio broadcasts.
            Quote: Olgovich
            what nonsense?

            During perestroika, I was advised, after reading the historical articles from Ogonyok, to check with Brockhaus and Efron's dictionary what actually happened. This source has not lost its value until now. Often, it more accurately and succinctly allows you to analyze modern disputes. The Slavophiles and Westernizers, Trotskyists and Bolsheviks, state leaders and liberals, the Eidelmans and Astafievs continue their endless dialogue. Just think, if we consider some people to be the smartest, then sooner or later the question will arise, how does this very-very one look and on which street he exclusively lives, and outside of which street subhumans live. For more details, see the article Slavophiles from the Brockhaus and Efroimson dictionary.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 29 June 2020 09: 07 New
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              Quote: gsev
              Did you not know that at the end of 1920 Russian troops occupied Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan?

              An activity is not an affiliation.

              Documents of accession - ON THE TABLE!
              Quote: gsev
              During perestroika, I was advised, after reading the historical articles from Ogonyok, to check with Brockhaus and Efron's dictionary what actually happened. This source has not lost its value until now. Often, it more accurately and succinctly allows you to analyze modern disputes. The Slavophiles and Westernizers, Trotskyists and Bolsheviks, state leaders and liberals, the Eidelmans and Astafievs continue their endless dialogue. Just think, if we consider some people to be the smartest, then sooner or later the question will arise, how does this very-very one look and on which street he exclusively lives, and outside of which street subhumans live. For more details, see the article Slavophiles from the Brockhaus and Efroimson dictionary.

              Why this nonsense, I ask again? SAY-what do you want?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 02 New
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    There were no people willing to serve among the residents of the Amur region
    ... Likewise, in Transbaikalia, no one wanted to serve either the Reds or the Whites. Like in some movie "White come to rob, red come to rob". But the Reds had an advantage, military units from the western part of Russia.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 19 June 2020 10: 34 New
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    Remaining without replenishment, and in the very near future without cartridges, the Zemsky army was defeated, revealing, however, another example of an unbending Russian military spirit.

    It is not clear what this inflexibility was expressed in ?!
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 19 June 2020 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Stirbjorn
      My statement is based on the stories of the mother-in-law, which her mother told about this.

      ===
      probably already by this - / The total number of Zemsky rati personnel by the beginning of its offensive operations exceeded 8 thousand /.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 19 June 2020 11: 50 New
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    Another "heroization" ... Isn't this historical truth they want to fix in the Constitution?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 19 June 2020 16: 36 New
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      Alexey hi
      Their current followers, even on a lame goat, will be able to stay "in the saddle". The "heroi" themselves fled so "gloriously" that the Red Army did not have time to "detach" everyone. But in the land of victorious lies, historical truth is illegal.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 June 2020 06: 31 New
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        Quote: lexus
        But in a country of victorious falsehood, historical truth is illegal.

        Yes, that was the case in the country of the Bolsheviks — NO WORDS of truth under the regime of total LIE.

        Therefore, he disappeared, completely isolating and bankrupt
  • Petersburg printing house
    Petersburg printing house 19 June 2020 12: 39 New
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    Considering such historical events, it is always interesting to recall the initial alignments and the reasons for the outbreak of the Civil War in Russia. Various biographies clearly show that most participants in the white movement recognize that the White movement was defeated due to the different goals of the participants. If we consider this article, then this statement is fully confirmed. Little Zemstvo, convenes its assembly and its army. Goals? Of course, the overthrow of Bolshevism and the accession of the monarchy. At the same time, there is no line on the fate of the people for these purposes. Is it any wonder that the local population did not support the desire of Dieterichs to fight and he was defeated? I think no. Rather, it was a natural outcome and, as a result, the final victory of Bolshevism in the hearts of people. Thanks to the author for an interesting article.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 19 June 2020 13: 01 New
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      Quote: St. Petersburg typographer
      Is it any wonder that the local population did not support the desire of Dieterichs to fight and he was defeated?

      General Dieterichs was precisely the tsarist general, a deeply religious Orthodox person. He is also known for the fact that, being the Commander-in-Chief of the Eastern Front, he formed the "squads of the Holy Cross and Crescent", sincerely believed that it was possible to defeat the Bolsheviks with the name of the Tsar and the Church.
      How it all ended - see the title of the article.
      1. Petersburg printing house
        Petersburg printing house 19 June 2020 13: 05 New
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        I do not cancel the achievements and religions of the general, however this article shows that a good name and faith in the Tsar and God are far from a guarantee of victory and the unification of the nation under one banner.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 19 June 2020 13: 22 New
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          Quote: St. Petersburg typographer
          that a good name and faith in the King and God is far from a guarantee of victory and unity of the nation under one banner.

          Agree
  • Jünger
    Jünger 19 June 2020 12: 52 New
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    Normal, calm article.
    The Far East - the last fragment of non-Soviet Russia

    Historical Russia or just Russia.
    which the Bolsheviks promised not only "freedom of equality and fraternity", but very specific land and factories with factories.

    I mean, they lied like a Jew in a bazaar.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 19 June 2020 15: 26 New
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      I mean, they lied like a Jew in a bazaar.

      And what, they gave the factories with plants to Abramovich and Deripaska?
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 19 June 2020 15: 49 New
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        Quote: Aviator_
        And what, they gave the factories with plants to Abramovich and Deripaska?

        They gave them to satisfy the interests of the Nasser, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Arafats and Belami Coons and other "world proletariat". And instead of Abramovich and Deripaska, Kaganovich and Mehlis were fattening on special rations and Czech resorts.
        While the Russian worker in Novocherkassk was asking for bread, his wages stolen by the Bolsheviks were raised by the "friendly" regimes of Mao and Tito.
        The Russian peasant in bast shoes went to Khrushchev and sweated for workdays on a foreign land, and his grain went to the world revolution and help the blacks in Angola. Isn't that a hoax?
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild 19 June 2020 16: 22 New
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          Colleague Jünger, at least you have gone too far, but I agree with you on this point: we DONE MILLIONS of people's rubles to help various "dubious" people, we have already talked about this on the site more than once
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 19 June 2020 16: 33 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            we WAS DESTROYED MILLIONS of people's rubles

            You, colleague, are greatly mistaken and underestimate. For Egypt alone, aid has gone off scale for a hundred billion dollars. Now multiply this by 20 times and you will roughly realize what "smart" and "honest" people have ruled us for 70 years.
          2. divanka2021
            divanka2021 19 June 2020 20: 55 New
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            in the same place they gave for an idea, no?
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 19 June 2020 21: 55 New
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              Quote: divanka2021
              in the same place they gave for an idea, no?

              Hitler also invaded the USSR for the idea. Now understand and forgive?
        2. gsev
          gsev 20 June 2020 20: 25 New
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          Quote: Junger
          Kaganovich and Mehlis lived on special rations and Czech resorts.

          Mehlis could not fatten in the Czech resorts. Kaganovich did not have happiness in the life of Stalin to sleep well. Therefore, it was not replaced by a more working one. Nikolai Baibakov recalled that Kaganovich allowed him to get enough sleep only a few honey weeks after the wedding.
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 20 June 2020 21: 44 New
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            Quote: gsev
            Mehlis could not fatten in Czech spas

            Doctor of Historical Sciences Yuri Rubtsov claims the opposite:
            In January 1947, in order to get to the famous Czech resort of Carlsbad (Karlovy Vary), he had to fly by plane to Berlin. At the airport, border guards unexpectedly intervened in the calm course of events. Since the vacationer did not have a foreign passport or at least a single pass for crossing the border, the departure was delayed. It is impossible to imagine that the Minister of State Control would not be issued a passport in advance. It turns out that he did not think about stocking up a document in a timely manner, it seemed to him that it didn’t occur to him that Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, even though Soviet troops were stationed there, was still a foreign country, where a special order was established for travel. What did the Mehlis do? “The border guards did not give permission,” he informed his wife. “Then the pilots took off without permission.” I would like to see those pilots who dare to arbitrarily, having on board such an omnipotent passenger. It is clear that without his direct command to wave his hand at the established order could not have done. The notorious principle triumphed: what is supposed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull.

            Mehlis is comfortably located in the resort, by the way, so popular among the pre-revolutionary Russian nobility.

            And for some reason I believe the doctor, not you.
            Quote: gsev
            Kaganovich did not have happiness in the life of Stalin to sleep well.

            They organized orgies with the whole party codela at Dzhugashvili's dacha regularly. This is even small children know. Because the man slept badly.
            1. gsev
              gsev 20 June 2020 23: 17 New
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              Quote: Junger
              They organized orgies with the whole party codela in the country

              They told me that Stalin was squeamish and demanded to continuously clean even the door handles in the rooms where he was. He even holes in his boots due to skin diseases. What do you mean by orgies? Neither Mehlis nor Kaganovich were relatives with him. Stalin could only give them water and keep them under surveillance. For which he did feasts, but not an orgy.
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 21 June 2020 12: 10 New
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                Those. the question of the fact that the Kremlin’s nazmen flew by planes to foreign resorts while the country was in ruin was settled down? But Mehlis did not even enter the inner circle of Dzhugashvili. Lavrenty Palych a level higher and for a change already caught pioneers in Moscow.
                Quote: gsev
                What do you mean by orgies?

                Since the time the "wonderful Georgian" got into the Kremlin, through his efforts (and not only) three famines have happened in Russia, with the victims of more than tens of millions of citizens. Probably the greatest man-made famine in Russian history. In those conditions, regularly eating caviar with wine until drunk is already an orgy. Then the collective farmer revered for his happiness to gnaw a crust of bread.
                How many dachas did Dzhugashvili have? Lot. 90 percent of the Soviet population at that time did not have a single one.
                There is no reason to be surprised - for this very reason, a gang of national minorities scammed the people and sat on their scruff.
                1. gsev
                  gsev 21 June 2020 21: 00 New
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                  Quote: Junger
                  Lavrenty Palych a level higher and for a change already caught pioneers in Moscow.

                  In any country and in any system there are perverts. In general, all theaters and all artists are intended to please the powers that be. There was a potato society under the tsar, the same salary of young actresses that under Yeltsin, that under Stalin, that under Brezhnev is low. It is no coincidence that the Bolsheviks allocated 100 gold rubles to the Bolshoi Theater after coming to power to the detriment of medical care for the wounded defender of the Soviet regime. I will quote the perversions I knew from the time of Yeltsin: In one Volga national republic, drunk businessmen staged a gun hunt for hired prostitutes. The top model and winner of the beauty contest of this republic, a participant in the Miss Russia contest, was undressed and ran through the forest escaping from gun shots of hunter-businessmen.
                  History has preserved a similar event in American history. In 1811 the US Whaling Ship "" stopped at Easter Island. The Americans captured young girls for each sailor, raped them, then threw them into the water in view of the island in the water .. The islanders swam to land. Second Lieutenant Vaden, amid the general laughter of the whalers from a gun, began to shoot the floating islanders aptly. I do not know anything of the kind from the history of the USSR. As an adjuster-engineer on business trips to the Sterlitamak machine-building plant, I stayed in the same rooms where the ministerial workers who oversaw this plant stayed. The director who built this plant and organized the production there walked around the plant on Saturdays and Sundays and looked less pretentious in clothes than I or most of the workers in this plant.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 21 June 2020 21: 56 New
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                    Quote: gsev
                    In any country and in any system there are perverts.

                    No, dear, you are distorting. No need to translate arrows on the problems of American blacks and Yeltsin. Only the Bolsheviks announced to the whole world that they were building the most advanced, most democratic, happiest, etc., etc. ... And screwed up right away.
                    In fact, as it comes to the analysis of their "jambs", references and footnotes immediately begin that both in America and in England it is even worse and the French could not and in general urgently need to help the brotherly people of Afghanistan, otherwise we have no other problems ...
                    No - you either build and do as promised or free up space and bring it to hell.
                    Promised land to the peasants? Give each 50 acres without balancing act about "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine."
                    They made a terrible mess, squandered everything and still tell stories about Angela Davis.
                    1. gsev
                      gsev 21 June 2020 23: 32 New
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                      Quote: Junger
                      They made a terrible mess, squandered everything and told

                      In my opinion, under Putin there is more of a mess than under Brezhnev.
                      1. Jünger
                        Jünger 22 June 2020 13: 15 New
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                        Quote: gsev
                        In my opinion, under Putin there is more of a mess than under Brezhnev.

                        Less lies, but also in order. But he is from the same cohort as Leonid Ilyich.
                2. gsev
                  gsev 21 June 2020 21: 09 New
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                  Quote: Junger
                  In those conditions, regularly eat caviar with wine until intoxication - this is an orgy. Then the collective farmer for happiness revered gnawing a crust of bread.

                  In those conditions, my illiterate grandmother, in spite of collective farms and the war, gave birth to 5 children, two of whom received higher education, and one special secondary daughter. A familiar Vietnamese also noted that during the life of Ho Chi Minh his parents raised 6 children despite the war and the bombing of the USA and he has difficulty one daughter. Of this proportion, Ho Chi Minh and Stalin could openly have a harem of gymnasts-actresses, and modern politicians should have limited themselves to a small sandwich with caviar and a handful of peaches.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 21 June 2020 21: 46 New
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                    Quote: gsev
                    In those conditions, my illiterate grandmother, in spite of the collective farms and the war, gave birth to 5 children

                    My eight and trousers were far from everyone and they were starving, but this had nothing to do with it. In the old days, for peasants, children were capital, since these are free working hands on earth. And they did not have abortions. So the great birth rate is not the merit of the Communists - it is the grace that they received from historical Russia, and which, to their misfortune, helped them do dark things for 70 years.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 19 June 2020 15: 22 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: rocket757
    the story of how it was.
    you need to know that not to repeat the previous mistakes.


    Undoubtedly, it is necessary to know and honor history.

    But as practice shows, when someone "gets the reins under the tail" and he imagines himself to be either a "fighter for history" or its "creator" - no lessons are instructive.

    Even the most tragic.

    Just about if such a "creator" finds that history was not written for him, then ...
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 19 June 2020 16: 11 New
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    Quote: 210ox
    Come on, "defender of the Empire" .. Even during the heyday of the white movement there were very different. From monarchists and republicans to self-styledists. Krylov's fable about the swan cancer and the pike in reality.

    All the time I remember the film: "Invisible Avengers", when Valera ordered: "God Save the Tsar" and how they reacted differently. I will certainly be told that I am a stupid sheep if I believe a children's film.
    The answer is: 1) this is a BEAUTIFUL film of my childhood, and childhood is dear to me.
    2) in this film, although in a grotesque form, it is correctly shown what was happening there
    1. gsev
      gsev 20 June 2020 23: 23 New
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      Quote: Astra wild
      : "God Save the Tsar" and how they reacted differently.

      And can anyone remember at least one leader of the white movement, seeking to restore the power of the Romanovs? All of them were with dictatorial ambitions. Even the general officers of the FSSJ regularly had to try on the British by persuasion or threats to leave them without European shells and allowances.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 June 2020 08: 18 New
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    Shoulder straps were white, not gold.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 21 June 2020 08: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: lexus
    But in a country of victorious falsehood, historical truth is illegal.

    Yes, that was the case in the country of the Bolsheviks — NO WORDS of truth under the regime of total LIE.

    Therefore, he disappeared, completely isolating and bankrupt

    Wow, my nerves give in! laughing You used to be more restrained, intelligent .... lol And now straight ahead, as in the USAID training manual, or Bilderberg with the Club of Rome combined! wassat