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The date of the second launch of the Angara-A5 heavy-class launch vehicle was announced

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The date of the second launch of the Angara-A5 heavy-class launch vehicle was announced

Second in stories The test launch of the Angara-A5 heavy launch vehicle, according to preliminary information, is scheduled for November 3. This is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the rocket and space industry.


According to the source, the rocket will launch with the Breeze-M booster block and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit. This will be the first rocket launch in six years, and the second in its history. From which spaceport the Angara will start, is not reported.

Recall that the first test launch of the Angara-A5 heavy rocket was carried out from the Plesetsk cosmodrome on December 23, 2014. As stated then in Roscosmos, the Angara-A5 is the first Russian heavy-class launch vehicle developed entirely in the post-Soviet period. It will be able to launch into space from four to 24 tons of payload, depending on the height of the orbit. The launch vehicle runs on environmentally friendly fuel and is assembled from standardized rocket modules, which can significantly reduce the cost of its production and maintenance.

According to information previously released by the media, the serial production of the Angara launch vehicle should start in 2023, and from 2024 it should completely replace the Protons. A whole family of these missiles has been developed, starting from the light Angara-1.2 and medium Angara-A3, ending with the heavy Angara-A5, the modernized Angara-A5M and the increased carrying capacity of the Angara-A5V.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 18 June 2020 11: 55
    -9
    According to the source, the rocket will be launched from the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

    Yeah, that means an empty start. Run Lada, take revenge on the Mask.
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 18 June 2020 12: 02
      -11 qualifying.

      In general, when the satellites start to launch, when they make 10 trouble-free launches, when commercial orders appear, when the launch cost is cheaper than that of the Falcon 9, then we’ll talk smile
      1. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 18 June 2020 12: 14
        +4
        I don’t understand the negative ones - with these phrases they commented on all of Mask’s undertakings, and now * for some reason * they are unhappy that this, it turns out, works in the opposite direction.
        1. ugol2
          ugol2 18 June 2020 12: 21
          27
          Quote: Freemason
          I do not understand the minus

          Somehow, your nickname causes suspicion. request
          1. ioan-e
            ioan-e 18 June 2020 13: 42
            +7
            Quote: ugol2
            Quote: Freemason
            I do not understand the minus

            Somehow, your nickname causes suspicion. request

            And the training manual too!
        2. loki565
          loki565 18 June 2020 13: 45
          +7
          Well, yes, a really private Japanese company won another missile, but that’s different)))
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 18 June 2020 16: 38
            +4

            And why didn’t they tell about the successful launch of the Electron rocket of the private company RocketLab from New Zealand? belay
            Start costs $ 9 million
            1. slipped
              slipped 18 June 2020 17: 59
              +8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And why didn’t they tell about the successful launch of the Electron rocket of the private company RocketLab from New Zealand? belay
              Start costs $ 9 million


              RocketLab is an extrabudgetary unit of DAPRA. It was the financial kick of the US defense department that allowed them to start working. Peter Back himself admits that they plow on the Pentagon as Papa Carlo.

              Literally - "Well, we're the only ones who put this shit into orbit."
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 June 2020 21: 11
                0
                Finances are important, but their engineers are civilians.
                Very talented. They managed to create extremely cheap in
                rocket production.
                Almost everyone prints on 3-D. All engine parts are fully printed on a 3-D printer.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They managed to create extremely cheap in
                  rocket production.
                  Uh ...
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Start costs $ 9 million
                  9 million for 0,25 tonnes at DOE ?! Those. 36 million per 1 ton ?!
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 18 June 2020 21: 47
                    0
                    This rocket allows customers to launch light satellites into space,
                    as the MAIN load, and not as auxiliary on heavier missiles.
                    This drastically reduces the wait time for customers to launch.
                    We have been waiting for such a rocket for a long time, and it will be in great demand.
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 57
                      +6
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      This rocket allows customers to launch light satellites into space,
                      as the MAIN load, and not as auxiliary on heavier missiles.
                      1 - talked about cost, and I think it’s cheaper to launch a passing cargo on a heavy rocket, while micro cargo is even free for the same students.
                      2 - the need to be the main load - only in the difference in inclinations and orbit height.
                2. slipped
                  slipped 18 June 2020 22: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Finances are important, but their engineers are civilians.
                  Very talented. They managed to create extremely cheap in
                  rocket production.
                  Almost everyone prints on 3-D. All engine parts are fully printed on a 3-D printer.


                  This is the Calm conversion rocket, it is NOT printed on a 3D printer and it had two successful launches:



                  Starting cost $ 4,5 million. laughing
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 18 June 2020 23: 56
                    0
                    This is a remake of the finished old military missile. And not making a new one.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 19 June 2020 02: 01
                      +4
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      This is a remake of the finished old military missile. And not making a new one.


                      Does it somehow change the launch price? laughing And the fact that the rocket is a conversion one, consider it a "contribution" of the military to the startup. lol
                      1. Greenwood
                        Greenwood 19 June 2020 05: 42
                        +1
                        And when the old military missiles end, what shall we do?
                      2. MMX
                        MMX 19 June 2020 10: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        And when the old military missiles end, what shall we do?


                        When they end there already others will be debited and there will also be a launch.
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 19 June 2020 12: 11
                        0
                        Electron's 9 million includes both manufacturing cost and cost
                        start up.
                        And Calm only has a start-up cost of 4.5 million
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 19 June 2020 13: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Electron's 9 million includes both manufacturing cost and cost
                        start up.
                        And Calm only has a start-up cost of 4.5 million


                        We are talking about efficiency, no? laughing

                        I will please you - the Calm rocket will not be launched yet, since the military slowed down the process on their own initiative.

                        As for our promising ultralight missiles, here's the news: the private company NTK has already launched its first prototype of the SLK called Vyatka - it climbed 15 km, reaching a speed of 2500 km per hour.



                        Next in line is their next prototype and a height of 100 km.
                      5. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 19 June 2020 13: 33
                        0
                        "Next in turn they have the next prototype and an altitude of 100 km" ///
                        ----
                        In a good hour. good
                        I never claimed that Russia could not
                        further develop new good rockets.
                        But don’t immediately make fun of those competitors
                        who already got launches.
                      6. slipped
                        slipped 19 June 2020 13: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But don’t immediately make fun of those competitors
                        who already got launches.


                        And who makes fun? No. You just need to separate truly private companies - like the Japanese with MOMO and companies under the patronage of the military like Rocket Lab.
        3. ak1978
          ak1978 19 June 2020 02: 39
          0
          Have you ever worked in America for a private office with military clearance?
  2. Mylenef
    Mylenef 18 June 2020 19: 46
    -4
    Well, they "lost" the missile, so why so much ado?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 18 June 2020 15: 13
    -5
    Because they are stupid ..
  • figwam
    figwam 18 June 2020 12: 49
    +4
    Quote: Freemason
    Falcon 9, then we'll talk

    The characteristics are simply stated and not confirmed, so there is no superheavy rocket so far, so you can rest easy.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 18 June 2020 12: 57
      -9
      I know who spent the money from the unfinished aircraft carriers - Rogozin, we were catching up for a long time (from the 1940s) and again, it is recognized by everyone that they became 3-4 in the world, in space so far 1-2 - or the first? who wants ours 6 space races? -all at the shipyard, behind aircraft carriers of 70 tons

      but without jokes - we are a land power ..... and space, not sea
      1. seagull
        seagull 18 June 2020 14: 06
        +6
        At least they first looked at the map, on the extent of sea and land borders ... Under the Union, I would not agree with you, and the kings had a different opinion ....
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 18 June 2020 14: 50
          -9
          look at the map, "my throne is a saddle, my glory on the field ..."
          CONTINENTAL POWER, breakup of Yapov in 41g: where to go to fight - do you want to? didn’t put things in order in the backyard and in your house, drive the peasants overseas ?!
          ..... not at sea. as you see
          this is the subconscious, not mine, but of the highest hands

          seaman .................. hrissagir
          1. seagull
            seagull 19 June 2020 21: 04
            0
            His fleet (military and civilian) is the status of a power ....
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 21 June 2020 20: 29
              -1
              it’s better to laugh at me than at MO
              at first :
              "you haven't put things in order in your backyard and in your house, chase the peasants across the sea ?!"
              everything else then
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 18 June 2020 12: 09
    +2
    Yeah, that means an empty start. Run Lada, take revenge on the Mask.

    So let's do it ...
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 18 June 2020 15: 12
    +3
    I immediately thought about the same thing .. for some reason everyone laughed at Tesla .. And the layout - it will be wow how cool ..))
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 18 June 2020 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Civil
    Yeah, that means an empty start.

    You distinguish between "empty" and "test". Or do you need to be launched immediately with a person on board? request
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 18 June 2020 15: 46
      -1
      So the launch of the Falcon Heavy with Tesla was a test, but for some reason they still laugh at him in VO
      1. Ghost of reagan
        Ghost of reagan 18 June 2020 19: 40
        -1
        Because in VO they hate everything connected with the USA !!! Here, conspiracy theorists hang around with people who hate the West so much, including the United States, that they are not capable, and sometimes they don’t want to google what is really happening, regarding a certain situation or news. Here are people who seriously believe that America is not capable of making rocket engines and building gas stations, and the funniest thing is that these people are well over 30 or even over 40. Seeing the consequences of the Cold War, some citizens of the former USSR are not at ease ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 19 June 2020 05: 45
          -4
          I will add from myself. As a rule, these same people here drown the loudest for Putin and EdRo and urge them to vote for amendments to the Constitution, which cause genuine laughter and sympathy from the rest - normal people.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 44
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      Do you need to launch immediately with the person on board?
      To Mars. wassat
  • remal
    remal 22 June 2020 20: 44
    0
    In principle, you can send Fyodor in the Soyuz spacecraft, fly around the moon and return. Like "Probe". Angara from Plesetsk is similar to Proton + Union can now be much better unloaded. However, all this could be done in 2014.
  • kamui91
    kamui91 18 June 2020 12: 20
    12
    General Director of NPO Tekhnomash Dmitry Panov about the launch of Falcon Heavy:
    “Just imagine what journalists and 'experts' from social networks would do to us if Roskosmos launched a rocket with a blank on board, one stage of which did not work quite accurately, and the load went away to some unknown place without any feedback. That is, the thrown away huge money and zero (almost) scientific and practical information "


    Angara-A5. 6 years break. The same RB (not DM). The same spaceport. The same blank.
    1. kamui91
      kamui91 18 June 2020 12: 26
      +2
      In fact, anticipating reproaches in my direction - of course I know about the transfer of production to Flight and about all those problems that the Omsk residents of Krivorukov created for themselves.
      Starting with a blank is a forced decision, but there is simply no other in such conditions.
      Well, in the end, now it will be much more interesting than in 2014 - because they did not expect problems from the Moscow assembly vehicle, but it will be interesting to see Omsk’s attempts.
      After all these problems with the tests of the Omsk assembly, if it does not blow apart the start, then it can already be considered a success.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 18 June 2020 12: 49
        +2
        Gyyy ... So Rogozin personally said that for Flight salary of 40 thousand. will be more than enough. Guess three times what specialists there are (not all, of course, but most). So let's see how it flies.
        1. slipped
          slipped 18 June 2020 14: 10
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          So let's see how it flies.


          Normally fly. No worse than the previous one.
    2. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: kamui91
      Angara-A5. 6 years break. The same RB (not DM). The same spaceport. The same blank.


      Here are just a rocket from a new production. Much cheaper than the old one.
      1. remal
        remal 23 June 2020 19: 15
        -1
        What has Rogozin done in 10 years? New rocket, effective leadership? Nope. I saved on the wages of engineers, people have 2 times less money, Rogozin will have the remainder for bonuses to the management, before they were paid at the expense of losses, there will still be budget money for stupid bots on the Internet. At a price with such an approach, Angara will still be far behind what is already patching up, the same applies to Soyuz-5, and everything that the Roskosmos management is rubbing in as promising projects. They are programmed to be loser and prove it over and over again with facts.
        1. slipped
          slipped 24 June 2020 01: 37
          0
          Quote: remal
          What did Rogozin do in 10 years?


          Rogozin at the head of Roscosmos for 2 years.

          Quote: remal
          A new rocket, effective leadership? Nope.


          A new rocket cannot be made in two years. You can read the results for the past year https://www.roscosmos.ru/27907/.

          Quote: remal
          "Angara" will still be far behind what is already patching,


          The price of ongoing launch services is already known. About 18 billion rubles in four launches. And there is nothing to invent something else, and seriality will only reduce the cost.

          Quote: remal
          the same applies to Soyuz-5, and everything that the Roskosmos management rubs in as promising projects. They are programmed to be loser and prove it over and over again with facts.


          Facts where? lol On the contrary, in the face of severe sanctions on components, we continue to work and conclude new contracts http://gklaunch.ru/news/.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 24 June 2020 01: 49
            0
            Quote: slipped
            Rogozin at the head of Roscosmos for 2 years.

            And how many are you personally in Roscosmos?
            1. slipped
              slipped 24 June 2020 02: 10
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: slipped
              Rogozin at the head of Roscosmos for 2 years.

              And how many are you personally in Roscosmos?


              I already answered this question for you - not at all. laughing

              Fact - Rogozin was appointed Director General of the State Space Corporation Roscosmos on May 24, 2018. You also dispute him, as the previous commentator will? lol
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 24 June 2020 02: 14
                0
                Quote: slipped
                I already answered this question for you - not at all.

                Do not remember that.
                Quote: slipped
                You also dispute him, as the previous commentator will?

                And I’m not going to. Only I wonder how you would justify the previous ones, Popovkin, for example, or who promised to get helium on the moon there this year.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 24 June 2020 02: 27
                  0
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Do not remember that.


                  It’s easy for me to repeat. It's just that I am not engaged and am well versed in the essence of the matter. Consider this a hobby.

                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Only I wonder how you would justify the previous ones, Popovkin,


                  Have you read where I "justified" Popovkin? belay I personally just feel sorry for him. A man loved beautiful girls and his work. I am here too. laughing

                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  for example, or who promised to get helium on the moon this year.


                  Did you remember the middle of the zero? laughing the small box with the relics of the info noise that was then in the media just opens up - they wanted at least some money, but there was none and everything practically stopped, except for international programs for which there was something.

                  Today, the situation is still different from that. There are problems, but they are somehow solved in the end.
                  1. remal
                    remal 24 June 2020 08: 34
                    -1


                    Visit of Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin to the center of Khrunichev. Rogozin in the center, leftmost - businessman Year Nisanov. Photo: May 2012

                    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/09/09/73760
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 24 June 2020 13: 00
                      0
                      Quote: remal
                      Visit of Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin to the center of Khrunichev.


                      Fact - The hangar flew in two of its variants in 2014.



                      Rogozin also sent her to the cosmodrome.
                      1. remal
                        remal 24 June 2020 14: 06
                        -1
                        I personally ensured that this did not happen again. In just 2 years, it is necessary to try to destroy the NGO that dealt with missiles, engines, orbital stations and satellites.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 24 June 2020 17: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: remal
                        In just 2 years, it is necessary to try to destroy the NGO that dealt with missiles, engines, orbital stations and satellites.


                        Why are you lying? Give the name "NGO".
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 18 June 2020 14: 30
    +5
    Angara-A5. 6 years break. The same RB (not DM). The same spaceport. The same blank.

    Well, rockets are not being built quickly - they are not being built .... It’s hard for everyone ... The same Mask, with his haste to prove everything to everyone, will play in big numbers. Although I really do not want this.
    I really want to see how a man is walking on the moon. (Mars - this is absolutely wildness) Mankind, on the other hand, thinks shit in orbit, coming up with various reasons. It’s difficult. It is difficult to take sharp steps.
    So let them "lick" the Angara as much as necessary, you stagger to collect 24 tons in a parcel.
    1. kamui91
      kamui91 18 June 2020 16: 35
      -2
      I do not know, the Japanese began to design their hydrogen H3 in 2013, in 2021 the first launch.
      8 years, despite the fact that there is much more innovation than in the A5.
      1. slipped
        slipped 18 June 2020 18: 03
        +4
        Quote: kamui91
        I do not know, the Japanese began to design their hydrogen H3 in 2013, in 2021 the first launch.
        8 years, despite the fact that there is much more innovation than in the A5.


        Cite the facts? lol
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 47
          0
          Quote: slipped
          Cite the facts?
          Easily
          6 for Yap almost everything in space will be an innovation.
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 June 2020 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: slipped
            Cite the facts?
            Easily
            6 for Yap almost everything in space will be an innovation.


            AND? Where are the facts?
          2. kamui91
            kamui91 19 June 2020 08: 49
            -2
            It is a pity to disappoint you, but in space, yapis have gone very far. The same Hayabusa-2 is simply a masterpiece of technology.
            And how they saved the first Hayabusa after the failure of the ion-bombers - just a swan song of the struggle for survivability.
            1. slipped
              slipped 19 June 2020 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: kamui91
              Sorry to disappoint you


              You too lol the conversation was about rockets.
        2. kamui91
          kamui91 19 June 2020 08: 45
          -1
          Facts of what? Innovation?
          Yes, please - generator-free marching taxiway with a phase transition cycle in the first stage, for example.
          No one has ever had such a thing. They stood on the upper steps, yes, the same Japanese on H2 - but to create a generator without enough traction for the first ...
          It is not surprising that, according to the cost estimate, this launch vehicle is expected to be almost at the level of the reusable Falcon.
          In general, I believe that reusability can yield technology. On our LVs, for example, they are forced to wash the tanks with rags to prevent anything from getting into the engine. With the Japanese, their generatorless can eat any shavings, tanks can be produced using simplified technology, that's where the savings reserves are hidden, as for me!
          1. slipped
            slipped 19 June 2020 13: 17
            +1
            Quote: kamui91
            Facts of what? Innovation?
            Yes, please - generator-free marching taxiway with a phase transition cycle in the first stage, for example.


            Those. in fact they lowered the MI. It can be seen they did not have other options. In our case, we simply lower the cost of the engine itself, and its characteristics even improve. The RD-191M engine version will increase the payload to 27 tons.

            Quote: kamui91
            In general, I believe reusability can give way to manufacturability


            so she is already inferior.
            1. kamui91
              kamui91 19 June 2020 14: 06
              0
              Quote: slipped
              Those. in fact, they lowered the MI. We see other options they did not have.

              Something is not noticeable.
              1) Japanese LE-9 (H3) - 426 s;
              2) American RS-68 (Delta IV) - 412 s;
              3) European Vulcain 2 (Ariane 5) - 429 s.
              That is the point that the Japanese managed to create a generatorless engine with excellent parameters. This is a real revolution.

              In our case, we simply lower the cost of the engine itself, and its characteristics even improve. The RD-191M engine version will increase the payload to 27 tons.

              Well, 27 tons is a fantasy - but I do not argue, it is quite possible that with the RD-191M it will finally be possible to fulfill the requirements of the original TK for the Angara. Let's hope.
              1. slipped
                slipped 19 June 2020 14: 21
                +1
                Quote: kamui91
                Quote: slipped
                Those. in fact, they lowered the MI. We see other options they did not have.


                1) Japanese LE-9 (H3) - 426 s;
                2) American RS-68 (Delta IV) - 412 s;
                3) European Vulcain 2 (Ariane 5) - 429 s.
                That is the point that the Japanese managed to create a generatorless engine with excellent parameters. This is a real revolution.


                It's a hydrogen engine. You name the figure for the vacuum. If you recall our RD-0120, his UI was in a vacuum for 455 seconds. One could argue about the "revolution", but reluctance.

                Quote: kamui91
                it is entirely possible that with the RD-191M it will finally be possible to fulfill the requirements of the original technical specifications for the Angara. Let's hope.


                RD-191 - oxygen-kerosene. And what are you just like a mantra repeating about the "requirements of the original TK for the Angara"? Well, these are the requirements and what?



                So far, nothing of the kind has been deduced, and the launch of 2014 was at GSO and there the altitude was 35,8 thousand km, with the previously planned target orbit of 35,7 thousand km. Do not repeat nonsense.

                Quote: kamui91
                27 tons is fantasy


                The RD-191M has been boosted by 10% - this allows such a load to be removed from Vostochny.
                1. kamui91
                  kamui91 19 June 2020 14: 40
                  0
                  [quote] This is a hydrogen engine. [/ quote]
                  You explain to me that the LE-9 is hydrogen?
                  Don't quite understand, is trolling dull?

                  [quote] If you recall our RD-0120, he had a UI in a vacuum of 455 seconds. [/ Quote]
                  Sorry, I'm used to comparing existing engines on real launch vehicles.
                  Among my classmates (I even signed a special LV for you), the LE-9 has a very worthy momentum.
                  Other real he has no competitors. But maybe I don’t know what. Present their names here - we will consider.

                  [quote] RD-191 - oxygen-kerosene. [/ quote]
                  Of course, that’s why I don’t compare the LE-9 impulse with the RD-191 kerosene - for it’s pointless, since the kerosene is hydrogen before Paris as in a known way. For some reason, you began to shove a kerosene in a conversation about hydrogen, although what does it have to do with it - it’s completely unclear to me.

                  [Quote] And what are you repeating just like a mantra about "the requirements of the original TK for the Angara"? / quote]
                  Because Borisov pushes off these requirements when he creaks his "The rocket does not meet the requirements that the main customer makes for it, but we have no other launch vehicles, we will use what remains for us."
                  Ultimately, it always comes down to TK.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 19 June 2020 15: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: kamui91
                    You explain to me that the LE-9 is hydrogen? Don't quite understand, is trolling dull?


                    How would you tell .... eeeee .... I think that you are aware of the simple cost of kerosene and cryogenic technologies? Of course, I mean the cost of operating related equipment, which affects the final cost of the product. Using hydrogen is just stupidly expensive. That is what I had in mind.

                    Quote: kamui91
                    Among my classmates (I even signed a special LV for you), the LE-9 has a very worthy momentum.


                    Which was an understated generatorless technology. Something is wrong? The fact that they have come to the level of their classmates is good. Came so came, repeated them. What is "revolutionary" in this?

                    Quote: kamui91
                    Present their names here - we will consider.


                    In A5, hydrogen technologies are planned only for the upper stages, and there it is planned to use the RD-0146 engine, which has already been tested on the ground, and which has a vacuum of 463 kgf at a pressure of 80,8 kg / cm2 in a compressor. Want to consider it?

                    Quote: kamui91
                    Of course, that’s why I don’t compare the LE-9 impulse with the RD-191 kerosene - for it’s pointless, since the kerosene is hydrogen before Paris as in a known way. For some reason, you began to shove a kerosene in a conversation about hydrogen, although what does it have to do with it - it’s completely unclear to me.


                    Oh how. So on the A5 in the first stage are five RD-191. The Japanese simply do not have such engines with similar characteristics. To begin with, you can compare their cost with the cost of two LE-9. laughing

                    Quote: kamui91
                    Because Borisov pushes off these requirements when he creaks his "The rocket does not meet the requirements that the main customer makes for it, but we have no other launch vehicles, we will use what remains for us."
                    Ultimately, it always comes down to TK.


                    So I tell you - the A5 did not have a test launch for these requirements yet. You do not understand? laughing There are only theoretical calculated data that should be clarified by subsequent launches.
                    1. remal
                      remal 23 June 2020 19: 20
                      -1
                      The raptor is better both in terms of UI and in terms of total cost. These are facts, the rest is another demagogy from slipped and brain fouling with the appearance of a knowledgeable person.
                    2. slipped
                      slipped 24 June 2020 01: 25
                      0
                      Quote: remal
                      The raptor is better both in terms of UI and in terms of total cost. These are facts, the rest is another demagogy from slipped and brain fouling with the appearance of a knowledgeable person.


                      Cool. So arrange your facts. I now know how much the RD-191 costs. How much does the Raptor cost?
                    3. remal
                      remal 24 June 2020 08: 40
                      0
                      The engines are about the same in complexity, the Raptor was designed for 1000 launches, so consider it.
                    4. slipped
                      slipped 24 June 2020 12: 58
                      0
                      Quote: remal
                      The engines are about the same in complexity, the Raptor was designed for 1000 launches, so consider it.


                      I asked you a simple question. You have not answered. lol Weak?

                      Concerning reusability of application - in RD-191 it is also incorporated.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 45
    +1
    Quote: kamui91
    The same blank.
    The disc is different.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 June 2020 12: 25
    14
    Six years??? Right now Sergey Palych frowns in surprise somewhere. So could it be?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 18 June 2020 12: 50
      +6
      Quote: sergo1914
      Six years??? Right now Sergey Palych frowns in surprise somewhere. So could it be?

      Sergei Palych is doing something he loves somewhere, but Lavrenty Palych not only frowns in surprise, but also rubs his hands in anticipation ... lol
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2020 14: 12
      0
      Russia, unlike the USSR, does not participate in the space race with the USA.
    3. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 12
      -3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Six years??? Right now Sergey Palych frowns in surprise somewhere. So could it be?


      It is possible, if there is the same in terms of characteristics, another rocket in operation. Sergei Pavlovich didn’t.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 18 June 2020 21: 50
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Six years???
      Well, we scoff at the "partners", shout "so they need it," but we don't? SLS is also made for a long time, and from the ancients, ready blocks (rearranged the Space Shuttle and the accelerator tank).
      1. slipped
        slipped 18 June 2020 22: 43
        0
        Quote: Simargl
        Quote: sergo1914
        Six years???
        Well, we scoff at the "partners", shout "so they need it," but we don't? SLS is also made for a long time, and from the ancients, ready blocks (rearranged the Space Shuttle and the accelerator tank).


        Invalid example. Six years it took us to transfer production, and the rocket was made quite a long time ago.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 18 June 2020 12: 27
    -9
    Great news. Let it be only 24 tons, but real, unlike the paper 63 tons of the Mask.
    1. kamui91
      kamui91 18 June 2020 12: 30
      -4
      Paper, paper.
      Borisov said that the Angara missile does not meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense

      The missile does not meet the requirements of the main customer. But the fact that the Ministry of Defense has chosen Angara as the main carrier for the formation of the satellite constellation, no one questions

      But there is no choice.

      PS: that's interesting, minusers better than Borisov know what the Ministry of Defense wants?
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 18 June 2020 12: 50
        -3
        Quote: kamui91
        that's interesting, minusers better than Borisov know what the Defense Ministry wants?

        No matter how it is customary for us to wave Wishlist. Take what they give - they may not give it either. The principle works both in private life and in public affairs and in business. Everyone is taught this since kindergarten - "Eat what they give."
        1. kamui91
          kamui91 18 June 2020 12: 57
          +4
          TK is signed by all participants, including developers.
        2. Hog
          Hog 18 June 2020 14: 04
          +3
          As if it’s not customary for us to swing Wishlist.

          You haven’t heard about the terms of reference, the customer should receive what he ordered, and not what the crooked-arms performers could get.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 19 June 2020 12: 01
            0
            Quote: Hog
            the customer should receive what he ordered, and not what the krivoruky performers could get

            In fact, the customer will still receive what the manufacturer was able to master. Because, as comrade. Stalin, "I have no other writers for you."
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 June 2020 12: 52
        -1
        Quote: kamui91
        PS: that's interesting, minusers better than Borisov know what the Ministry of Defense wants?

        Well, interestingly, Borisov and Rogozin know what they want as a result of their activities?
        1. kamui91
          kamui91 18 June 2020 12: 57
          +3
          Of course they know. They want to get a missile that meets the requirements of TK (output mass, etc.).
          If it does not match, the observed creaking of the leaders in the media begins.
          But since the warrior has no choice, he doesn’t like it - lie my beauty!
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 June 2020 14: 17
            -1
            Quote: kamui91
            But since the warrior has no choice, he doesn’t like it - lie my beauty!


            Stupidity said the same as Borisov previously. Satellites are either displayed or not. laughing The Ministry of Defense does not need their satellites to "not be launched", so they have already bought four rockets that will launch their satellites.
            1. kamui91
              kamui91 18 June 2020 16: 36
              -1
              The Ministry of Defense will have to "trample" on the masses.
              1. slipped
                slipped 18 June 2020 17: 34
                0
                Quote: kamui91
                The Ministry of Defense will have to "trample" on the masses.


                Satellites that create a launch on A5 have a certain weight. Once the MO bought the rockets, then the given weight of this rocket is put into the target orbit. Is it clear now? The remaining Wishlist MO will be implemented in a modernized version.
                1. kamui91
                  kamui91 19 June 2020 08: 52
                  0
                  Naturally deduced, because these satellites are created under A5. And its failure to meet the requirements of TK was initially laid in the design and calculation of the masses.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 19 June 2020 13: 08
                    0
                    Have you come up with? lol At the first launch of A5 from Plesetsk in 2014, the parameters of the planned target orbit coincided with the actual parameters. And here you are carrying some nonsense.
                    1. kamui91
                      kamui91 19 June 2020 14: 08
                      0
                      All claims against Borisov and original TK.
                      By the way, about the coincidence of the parameters - a lie, but not the point, this Breeze failed.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 19 June 2020 12: 05
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Well, interestingly, Borisov and Rogozin know what they want as a result of their activities?

          They know, of course. So that there would be more attendants, and a shorter period (if, God forbid, you have to wind up) - less.
    2. vadim dok
      vadim dok 18 June 2020 16: 32
      -2
      Rocket Mask Falkon9 carrying capacity of 22,8 tons, it flies for a long time!
      1. slipped
        slipped 18 June 2020 18: 05
        +7
        Quote: vadim dok
        Rocket Mask Falkon9 carrying capacity of 22,8 tons, it flies for a long time!


        The Proton-M rocket, carrying capacity 24 tons, it flies even long ago. laughing
        1. Ghost of reagan
          Ghost of reagan 18 June 2020 19: 48
          -3
          Apparently the accident rate of Proton does not bother you and the fact that it is NOT REUSABLE like Falcon 9. And there is also the Delta and the Titans were even more ancient and the ancient monster of the lunar race. Lord, you can’t even beat the records of Saturn V for carrying capacity for as long as 50 years. The private trader with his own efforts proved that he can put the cargo into orbit, won the tender and created the best launch vehicle for the last decade, squeezing the entire commercial market, then the person created super-heavy, spacecraft for 4-7 people, and it’s all reusable. I wonder what your pathetic excuses will be when the Starship-Superhavey system flies, will you compare it with Energy?
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 June 2020 23: 03
            +3
            Quote: Reagan's Ghost
            Apparently the accident rate of Proton does not bother you and the fact that it is NOT REUSABLE as Falcon 9.


            The last 19 launches at Proton were successful. A proton does NOT need to be reusable, its selling price from the factory is 2 rubles (according to the procurement website for ExoMars-039 - a rocket of 444 rubles, RB Briz-M - 120 rubles, GO - 2022 1 rubles).

            Those. It stands almost like a used F9 stage. laughing But unlike her, he is a new rocket.

            The fact that the launch services to foreign companies cost $ 65 million was due to the work of the space services market, which was then until SpaceX climbed into it like an elephant in a china shop, killing it in the bud.

            Quote: Reagan's Ghost
            Lord, you can’t even beat the records of Saturn V for carrying capacity for as long as 50 years.


            You think in terms of the USSR. Emigrant? Russia is not going to beat anyone there. All the more records. We create what we consider necessary for our space program.

            Quote: Reagan's Ghost
            The private trader with his own efforts proved that he can put the cargo into orbit, won the tender and created the best launch vehicle for the last decade, squeezing the entire commercial market, then the person created super-heavy, spacecraft for 4-7 people and it’s all reusable.


            I could of course tell you that this is a "private trader" subsidized by the Pentagon, created the launch vehicle on the basis of military projects of previous years, destroying the commercial launch market for all countries by lobbying for their interests with the US government. But you won't understand this. You have a REUSABLE brain. laughing

            Quote: Reagan's Ghost
            I wonder what will be your miserable excuses when the Starship-Superhavey system flies, will you compare it with Energy?


            Glushko also said that "with a good engine, the gate will fly." If this shiny barn flies, then low, low ... laughing
            1. Ghost of reagan
              Ghost of reagan 18 June 2020 23: 44
              -1
              "One could of course tell you that this is a" private trader "subsidized by the Pentagon, created a launch vehicle on the basis of military projects of previous years, destroying the commercial launch market for all countries by lobbying for their interests with the US government. But you will not understand this. . "

              I never knew that the Merlin engine on the Falcon-1 is, as you put it, "based on military projects of previous years." What other tales do you know? The market of commercial services is a MARKET and according to the rules of the MARKET, the one who has advantages over his competitors is the leader of the MARKET.
              You can write these tales about subsidies to another person who does not know how to verify information. Almost all the money received from NASA SpaceX was won by TENDERS, including such cool guys as Rocketplane Kistler, and then ULA. I am simply amazed at this nonsense in our Russian military-industrial complex that there are no TENDERS or do you have double standards sharply played out?

              As for the cost, I directly shouted to be honest when I read it.

              A proton does NOT need to be reusable, its selling price from the factory is 2 rubles (according to the procurement website for ExoMars-039 - a rocket of 444 rubles, RB Briz-M - 120 rubles, GO - 2022 1 rubles).

              That is, according to your interesting logic, the rocket, which is almost like a used F9, in some incomprehensible way loses to the more "expensive" F9. And you explain this by the fact that they say like the Mask subsidize, lobby and so on and so forth. To be honest, I don't know how to take you seriously after that ...

              "You have a MULTIPLE brain."
              I remind you that the brain is reusable, it turns out that there is also Roscosmos!
              https://ria.ru/20190412/1552620679.html
              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4326250
              Ay ah ah how is that? At first they laughed at the reusable LV Mask, and after its effective F9, thanks to the reusability, squeezed the entire commercial market, including the manned market from recent events, Roscosmos sharply decided that it was necessary to make a reusable LV. God, how cynical, hypocritical, and miserable does it look.
              It's like a story with the "Stealth" technology, more than 30 years of Soviet and Russian propaganda that this technology is worthless rubbish, which does not affect the future military aviation, and immediately after 30 years of cynicism and hypocrisy, PAK FA, PAK DA, A hunter with a wing pattern and so on.
              It looks ridiculous and only. While the damned enemy has a wunder wunder, we start pouring anything and anything on this wunder wunder, and when this wunder wunder appears with us, then we begin to say what kind of super weapon it has.

              Glushko also said that "with a good engine, the gate will fly." If this shiny barn flies, then low, low ...

              And Glushko was very pleased when he ordered to burn all the H1 documentation and destroy two copies that were on the launch pad. Apparently he really "respected" the creation of the Queen ....
              1. slipped
                slipped 19 June 2020 02: 35
                +2
                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                I never knew that the Merlin engine on the Falcon-1 is, as you put it, "based on military projects of previous years." What other tales do you know?


                I know this one - The injector at the heart of Merlin is of the pintle type that was first used in the Apollo Lunar Module landing engine (LMDE).

                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                The commercial services market is a MARKET and according to the rules of the MARKET, one who has advantages over its competitors is the leader of the MARKET.


                Wow. Caps probably sinks? laughing What about the Pentagon’s ban on using our launch services from year 2023 for companies in whose satellites there is American technology? Such a market ban, right? lol

                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                As for the cost, I directly shouted to be honest when I read it.


                Nerves? I'm sorry.

                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                That is, according to your interesting logic, the rocket, which is almost like a used F9, in some incomprehensible way loses to the more "expensive" F9.


                And who told you that she is losing? lol I did not say. The rocket successfully flies and displays the payload. All contracts on it are scheduled before the completion of its release according to previously announced plans.

                And why "in an incomprehensible way," if it is clear that companies that have satellites produced in the United States do not want to risk running into new bans from their own government, launching their payload here. Don't you understand that there is no longer any "space market" in this segment in the USA? Yes, the same Europe continues to work with them only under old contracts. Both Europe and Japan are now launching only their own vehicles.

                Name at least one new SSL contract, which is planned to be launched on a foreign medium. No? And where is the market?

                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                I remind you that the brain is reusable, it turns out that there is also Roscosmos!
                https://ria.ru/20190412/1552620679.html


                Where? belay At your first link, one of the possible offers for a private S7 space. And the second refers to the Union-5. She is not reusable. laughing Do you even read the links you send? belay

                Quote: Reagan's Ghost
                Ay ah ah how is that?


                I don’t even know, are you ill?
              2. doubovitski
                doubovitski 19 June 2020 12: 26
                -1
                Quote: Reagan's ghost
                And Glushko was very pleased when he ordered to burn all the H1 documentation and destroy two copies that were on the launch pad. Apparently he really "respected" the creation of the Queen ....

                Only an absolute blockhead can say so. Thinking that he knows that the product obtained in the course of the work of the design bureau belongs to its leader. Everything in the USSR belonged to the state, and Glushko, if he had said this somewhere, he would have been brought to life in three seconds in a separate office.
                You, at least sometimes. shaking the chaff in the head so as not to carry such nonsense.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 18 June 2020 12: 41
    +2
    According to the source, the rocket will be launched from the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

    About the layout as it is not ah, how nice to hear. Maybe even "Aurus Senat" can be thrown into orbit, so, for fun !!!
    It’s still cheaper than any scientific / military module \ equipment will be !!! And Rogozin will wipe off his nose immediately. wassat
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 18 June 2020 15: 17
      0
      Maybe even "Aurus Senat" can be thrown into orbit, so, for fun !!!
      Preferably, along with its main passenger ..
    2. Molox
      Molox 18 June 2020 16: 27
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      About the layout as it is not ah, how nice to hear. Maybe even "Aurus Senat" can be thrown into orbit, so, for fun !!!
      It’s still cheaper than any scientific / military module \ equipment will be !!! And Rogozin will wipe off his nose immediately.

      You should not have written it Victor ..)))) Now the idolaters of Mask and the USA are very excited .. laughing Just recently calmed down
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 17: 18
        0
        Calling fire on myself ...
        A lot of annoyance, a lot is not clear ... a joke boom. That's when it works, as it should, boom to praise.
        1. Molox
          Molox 18 June 2020 17: 38
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          Calling fire on myself ...

          Well, you can with your authority hi
          Quote: rocket757
          A lot of annoyance, a lot is not clear ... a joke boom. That's when it works, as it should, boom to praise.

          That's right, it’s better to wait .. They will start it, then you can drop for a victory
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 June 2020 18: 34
            +2
            You know, when it turned out to sit in Beregovoy’s chair, to feel the BURAN and much more ... you still feel involved in the great cause of your country! Very disappointing ....
            1. Molox
              Molox 18 June 2020 18: 50
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              You know, when it turned out to sit in Beregovoy’s chair, to feel the BURAN and much more ... you still feel involved in the great cause of your country! Very disappointing ....

              Do not pour salt on Victor’s wound .. The losses are huge, but you need to somehow recover slowly, under the barking and screaming from all sides ..
              We will not die alive. soldier
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 June 2020 18: 55
                0
                That's right, BREAKTHROUGH! And apple trees will still grow on Mars, with such beautiful names Antonovka, Anis, Sarepka and many others soldier
  • donavi49
    donavi49 18 June 2020 12: 45
    +5
    By the way, while Angrau is going to start up cast iron in the fall, there is a direct competition of the Super Powers in space in the world. Returned 60-70s laughing .

    NASA finally gave the go-ahead to launch the Rover in this window, an improved Curiosity flies (new wheels, otherwise the old ones cannot withstand Marisan stones, new systems, computers, cameras, devices and the first Martian helicopter in history)

    Curiosity Wheels


    China replied that it had denied the possibility of transfer and confirmed the launch of its Tianwen mission in the July window. Inside is an orbital module with cameras, a magnetometer, a mineral spectrometer and a radar. And also the Rover on the landing platform - with a radar for 100m scanning the soil, various detectors (magnetic, meteorological) and cameras.



    The third ExoMars - ESA-Roscosmos mission dropped out of the race, flew away in 2022. This is the second transfer, originally had to fly in 2018 (however, the Americans also wanted to fly in 2018, but could not pass the tests, they were literally 1,5-2 months it wasn’t enough until the doppler and NASA decided to cancel the start, postponing to 2020).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2020 14: 19
      -2
      Looks like the guys were zapadlo to apply rubber from tank rollers for the wheels of the Mars rover.
    2. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      The third mission of ExoMars - ESA-Roscosmos left the race, flew away in 2022.


      Say thanks to ESA, for problems with the parachute and software. laughing
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 18 June 2020 12: 46
    -1
    The second ever test launch of the Angara-A5 heavy launch vehicle, according to preliminary information, is scheduled for November 3.

    It would be better to wait in silence SUCCESSFUL launch, and only then something was announced. Well, these constant "shifts-in-right" look unattractive, after the promising advertising - "the date is named".
  • Engineer
    Engineer 18 June 2020 13: 15
    +3
    A whole family of these missiles has been developed, ranging from light "Angara-1.2" and medium "Angara-A3", ending with heavy "Angara-A5", modernized "Angara-A5M" and increased carrying capacity "Angara-A5V".

    The family has noticeably thinned out: 1.2 successfully replaced by the conversion of hundreds of missiles already built by the Union. A3 has already been buried in favor of the Zenit Union-5. The A5B also seems to have put an end to it, because there is nowhere to let it go from: the table from A5 is not suitable in size, and no one is going to build another for it. Only the Union could afford such a luxury. Yes, and the Proton substitute does not look particularly against its background. If it were not for the position of Kazakhstan, so long ago I would have already forgotten about this family.
    1. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 30
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      A whole family of these missiles has been developed, ranging from light "Angara-1.2" and medium "Angara-A3", ending with heavy "Angara-A5", modernized "Angara-A5M" and increased carrying capacity "Angara-A5V".


      The family has noticeably thinned out: 1.2 successfully replaced by the conversion of hundreds of missiles already built by the Union.


      Conversion analog A1.2 - heptyl Rokot-M, which is now only in development. And this is a slightly different program after all.

      Quote: Engineer
      A3 has already been buried in favor of the Zenit Union-5.


      The A3 missile was never considered further than the advance design. Soyuz-5 is another carrier from another manufacturer, which is better in performance.

      Quote: Engineer
      The A5B also seems to have put an end to it, because there is nowhere to let it go from: the table from A5 is not suitable in size, and no one is going to build another for it.


      Lies. KRK Amur is created for all types of media. And in Plesetsk, modernization for hydrogen is planned.

      Quote: Engineer
      Yes, and the Proton substitute does not look particularly against its background. If it were not for the position of Kazakhstan, so long ago I would have already forgotten about this family.


      First was the position of Kazakhstan on the Proton. As a result, the development of the A5, and not vice versa. laughing
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 June 2020 13: 49
    +4
    Speaking of spaceports.
    SpaceX is looking for engineers (job openings) with design experience
    "Interplanetary sea spaceports" belay
    It is required to design an offshore platform for launching and receiving heavy rockets. To launch / receive cargo and passengers from the Moon, Mars and other planets. fellow
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2020 14: 23
      +2
      Looks like they make a new one under Superheavy and Starship - the old one under 9ku is clearly not suitable; it needs the size of an aircraft carrier and twice as wide as a huge catamaran.
      1. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 18 June 2020 19: 23
        -2
        So let them buy an old aircraft carrier from the same British. Cut off the island, add additional side floats for stability (yes even a couple of old frigates to weld) and it will be their happiness. Everything is better than developing and doing from scratch.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 June 2020 00: 11
          0
          We'll have to do it from scratch since we need the smallest pitching of such a platform.
    2. ak1978
      ak1978 19 June 2020 02: 49
      +2
      Rogozin chokes with envy seeing this cosmic drank. Yes, old Musk has long understood how right Grandpa Goebbels was when he said that a lie must be monstrous to be believed. How's the $ 49,99 free internet doing? Have the CEOs of AT&T, Comcast and Spectrum committed collective suicide?
    3. ak1978
      ak1978 19 June 2020 02: 57
      +2
      And yes, since you know about the USA from science fiction stories in popular science literature, I’ll tell you the secret of corporate success in the USA. So. Ball in modern corporate America (this applies to both state and close offices) edit middle manager. This is such a not-so-technical but wonderful govnotershik, an office war veteran, where if you want to survive, peck your neighbor and c..and the bottom. You will NOT sell ANYTHING to ANYONE in corporate America unless you are led through the back door and supported by such a director of the department. What Musk and well done is the ability to correctly bring and in time to give such comrades to their paws. And it’s very skillful. The whole boy grew up in mom.
  • slipped
    slipped 18 June 2020 14: 06
    0
    "Second in stories test launch "," From which cosmodrome the "Angara" will be launched, is not reported. "- not really, guys, neighing laughing
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 18 June 2020 14: 35
      +2
      "The second test launch in history", "From which cosmodrome Angara will be launched, is not reported." - not real guys, laughing

      It’s just that the journalist couldn’t extort this information from a talker laughing (also a joke)
  • K-50
    K-50 18 June 2020 14: 18
    -1
    the rocket will be launched with the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

    And what, besides delivering the layout to the geostationary station, you can’t use it for anything else? So to speak with greater return? belay
    Well, what a lot of money for the sake of launching itself, and not getting a surplus from it. belay
    1. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: K-50
      the rocket will be launched with the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

      And what, besides delivering the layout to the geostationary station, you can’t use it for anything else? So to speak with greater return? belay
      Well, what a lot of money for the sake of launching itself, and not getting a surplus from it. belay


      These are flight design tests of a new carrier from a new production. The "positive balance" will be the successful launch and delivery of the ORM to the target orbit. A real payload is usually two to three times more expensive than the rocket that launches it.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 18 June 2020 15: 23
      -5
      Well, what a lot of money for the sake of launching itself, and not getting a surplus from it.

      In this country, almost everything is so .. Parade for the sake of the parade ..
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 18 June 2020 15: 47
      0
      Satellite is a very expensive toy. The chance to ditch him on a test launch is unacceptably large. I would launch a tank of water: all of a sudden in the future it will come in handy for someone in orbit. And Lada (old) - Maskofilov troll.
  • Tests
    Tests 18 June 2020 14: 20
    +4
    antivirus, dear, 2 weeks ago all news agencies of the Russian Federation told that the new launch pad for the "Angara" from Severodvinsk from "Zvezdochka" went to the Vostochny cosmodrome. Large-sized parts of the launch pad along the NSR on ships will go to the cosmodrome in July. By the way, the starter table for "Angara" for Plesetsk was also made by "Zvezdochka". So space and shipyards in Russia are not far away, there is something in common ...
    Well, and since yesterday, the Arkhangelsk Region has condoled with the shipbuilders of the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg. The former governor of the Arkhangelsk region I.A. Orlov, who became famous for the investment project of a grandiose garbage dump at the Shies station, was appointed acting. director of "Severnaya Verf". It looks like EdRo is not sinking ...
  • senima56
    senima56 18 June 2020 14: 48
    0
    "The second test launch of the Angara-A5 heavy launch vehicle is scheduled for November 3" I hope this is not what D. Rogozin promises! And then something all his "promises and plans" only in words. But in fact they turn out to be "zilch"! negative
    1. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: senima56
      I hope that this is not D. Rogozin promises! And then something all his "promises and plans" only in words. But in fact they turn out to be "zilch"! negative


      Rogozin said earlier that the decision is made by the Moscow Region and that the launch is possible in the third quarter of this year. Almost hit. laughing
  • slipped
    slipped 18 June 2020 15: 09
    +2
    Photos from the new production appeared on the network earlier:



    Judging by the February date, the photo shows the third and fourth heavy carriers. And a light A1.2.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 June 2020 16: 39
    -3
    Vomited, rustled))
    1. slipped
      slipped 18 June 2020 17: 40
      +4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Vomited, rustled))


      Your desire to delay the planned launch to date has no basis. The URM rocket, already from a new production, has passed ground tests for over two years.



      The tests were completed last year, the rocket was assembled this year, military acceptance will take place and will fly.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 18 June 2020 19: 08
        0
        You do not often see the second test of a product (and even with a model) 6 years after the first. Here you involuntarily start to guess by the stars :-)
        1. slipped
          slipped 18 June 2020 23: 15
          +1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          You do not often see the second test of a product (and even with a model) 6 years after the first. Here you involuntarily start to guess by the stars :-)


          This is the reality. If we recall history, then the URM was, in principle, ready in the TsiH in 2004. But in reality, the Ministry of Defense began to deal with this missile starting only in 2006. In addition, it took them a long time to rebuild the Zenit start to the Angara in Plesetsk. During this time, TsiH managed to test the URM-1 on the Koreans - today you look at their domestic KSLV-2, what is being tested with them and you see our URM, slightly cut in height laughing



          And after 2014, the rocket lost its GK. This was superimposed by a feverish transfer of production to Omsk and the local problems.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 June 2020 16: 53
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    Wait and see the result.
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 18 June 2020 18: 56
    +2
    Green fuel is hydrogen. And about diesel fuel with kerosene in Norilsk ask around.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 June 2020 20: 50
    -2
    Until I read kamenty, did Mask witnesses already lighten up?))

    Good news. Better not to delay or delay.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 18 June 2020 20: 51
    +2
    Angara is a graduation project of post-Soviet rocket launchers of Russia. Done, flew the first time, well done, five! Now you need to make a normal rocket.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 18 June 2020 22: 32
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      Quote: Pavel73
      Now you need to make a normal rocket.
      The abnormality is that the A5 hangar is not reusable. Instead, you can use a reusable rocket with a toroidal hypersonic jet engine (TGPVRD) and a magnetic nozzle.
      TGPVRD with a magnetic nozzle in different parts of the flight path has different operating modes - from the ejector mode of increasing traction to the mode of a hypersonic magnetic nozzle.
      To regulate the operating conditions, separate adjustment of the flow of fuel-hydrogen and oxidizing agent-oxygen is necessary. With two heat pumps, each of the pumps for components with very different physical properties can operate at the optimum speed for the component being pumped. Therefore, for hydrogen-oxygen RD-0146D with a thrust of 98 kN, suitable for use in reduced versions of TGPVRD it is better to use 2 TNA. On the marching rocket engine (RD) of the Super Launch Space Launch System (SLS) will also be two TNAs and 4 oxygen-hydrogen rocket engines RS-25 (you can’t fly far without hydrogen :). And to create a magnetic nozzle of a toroidal scramjet, superconducting solenoids from MgB2 are promising. Due to the lightness of magnesium and boron elements, there is a saving in weight of the payload of the scramjet and it is possible to use liquid helium for cooling the solenoids from MgB2 to the scramjet engine.
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 19 June 2020 10: 48
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        Quote: Svetlana
        Quote: Pavel73
        Now you need to make a normal rocket.
        The abnormality is that the A5 hangar is not reusable. .......

        However, what are you doing here? Categorically instead of Rogozin. Jogging. One point is that there is so much emptiness in the toroid area? Fill it useful. For example, rubbish from the streets, containers, and old furniture .... To scatter in space on the path along which enemies walk.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 19 June 2020 19: 58
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          Quote: doubovitski
          One point is that there is so much emptiness in the toroid area?

          The volume of 1420m3 toroid is not empty, but filled with cryogenic tanks with liquid hydrogen and oxygen.
          Superconducting solenoids are placed inside the liquid hydrogen tanks to create a magnetic nozzle cooled by liquid helium. Toroid assembly is carried out from 36 identical modules, similar to how the Germans assembled submarines from ready-made modules.
          The aforementioned reusable carrier with a high pressure turbojet engine as the first stage can be used to launch a megawatt-class laser pumped by SiC laser diodes into DPSS orbit. A near-Earth orbit laser is designed to clean space from debris. For powering this laser, you can use a turbomachine nuclear power plant nuclear power plant with a recuperator. The core of a nuclear power plant is a gas-cooled fast neutron reactor. The reactor must withstand heating up to 1200 degrees Celsius. The coolant is a mixture of helium (78%) and xenon (22%), and uranium-233 is the fuel. The thermal power of the reactor is four megawatts, and the electric power is megawatts. The refrigerator is a panel or drip emitter.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 20 June 2020 21: 22
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            in TGPVRD it is possible to use a pumping unit with an electric drive from a BLDC electric motor - this is a brushless DC valve brushless motor.

            When starting up, the electric motor of the pumping unit is powered from an external power source of the starting complex (lithium-polymer batteries), then apply power from the Hall magnetohydrodynamic generator (MGDG) by placing two coaxial current-collecting electrically conductive rings located one above the other on the surface of the annular wall of the central torus opening zone of the magnetic field of the solenoids creating a magnetic nozzle.
            When the plasma of the rocket exhaust of a toroidal hypersonic ramjet engine (TGVRD) moves from the upper coaxial ring to the lower, the plasma will create a potential difference between the collector rings (plus on the lower ring). As an electrical load between the rings, a booster battery is connected - several series-connected ionistors, and they are powered by a DC-DC PWM converter to power the BLDC of the electric motor of the pump unit. This scheme simplifies the design of a rocket engine and allows you to flexibly adjust the speed of separate pumping units of fuel and oxidizer. Https: //zen.yandex.ru/media/space_for_you/raketa-taimyr-proryv-chastnogo-kosmosa-rossii-5ee7becacf2e1004e8f03007
            https://topwar.ru/116487-electron-orbitalnyy-pryzhok-rocket-lab-iz-novoy-zelandii.html
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 10: 39
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    According to the source, the rocket will be launched from the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

    Yeah, that means an empty start. Run Lada, take revenge on the Mask.

    And I would launch you right away. Tied to the second step, on the side. That the bastard burned out upon entering the atmosphere.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 00
    -1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    You do not often see the second test of a product (and even with a model) 6 years after the first. Here you involuntarily start to guess by the stars :-)

    So get busy. Tell me the account number, look, you’ll pick up something for retirement .... I’m ready to send you welfare. In order not to die of hunger.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 21
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    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Vomited, rustled))

    He messed up, rustled.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 29
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    Quote: K-50
    the rocket will be launched with the Briz-M upper stage and will launch a model of the spacecraft into geostationary orbit.

    And what, besides delivering the layout to the geostationary station, you can’t use it for anything else? So to speak with greater return? belay
    Well, what a lot of money for the sake of launching itself, and not getting a surplus from it. belay

    Judging by your knowledge of accounting terminology, you are very far from designing complex equipment.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 33
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    Quote: slipped
    Quote: voyaka uh
    This is a remake of the finished old military missile. And not making a new one.


    Does it somehow change the launch price? laughing And the fact that the rocket is a conversion one, consider it a "contribution" of the military to the startup. lol

    By the way, yes, it does. Strongly reduces the cost of redesigning. The use of existing knowledge, materials, components, sophisticated service protocols, start, personnel who are familiar with the technology .....
    Finally, this is the return of a certain amount of money invested in military equipment, by definition, not returning costs to the budget.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 37
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    Quote: Greenwood
    And when the old military missiles end, what shall we do?

    We will launch the next generation removed from combat duty. Is it really so difficult yourself .....?
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 39
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    Quote: seagull
    At least they first looked at the map, on the extent of sea and land borders ... Under the Union, I would not agree with you, and the kings had a different opinion ....

    What to take from him? Virus. This is not even a bacterium. Even dumber.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 47
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    Quote: Greenwood
    I will add from myself. As a rule, these same people here drown the loudest for Putin and EdRo and urge them to vote for amendments to the Constitution, which cause genuine laughter and sympathy from the rest - normal people.

    Do you consider yourself normal? All Napoleons in the asylum are certainly the most normal. They- do not vote and do not speak out in referenda. This is not an imperial affair. And do not vote.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 11: 53
    -1
    Quote: kamui91
    Facts of what? Innovation?
    Yes, please - generator-free marching taxiway with a phase transition cycle in the first stage, for example.
    No one has ever had such a thing. They stood on the upper steps, yes, the same Japanese on H2 - but to create a generator without enough traction for the first ...
    It is not surprising that, according to the cost estimate, this launch vehicle is expected to be almost at the level of the reusable Falcon.
    In general, I believe that reusability can yield technology. On our LVs, for example, they are forced to wash the tanks with rags to prevent anything from getting into the engine. With the Japanese, their generatorless can eat any shavings, tanks can be produced using simplified technology, that's where the savings reserves are hidden, as for me!

    Do you have a few rags? And providing the ability to grind chips, is it cheaper than a simple operation to clean the giblets of the engine? The main thing is the energy characteristics of the engine. He himself does not stand so thoroughly. Management, electronics, programs, manual work on the assembly of all this five millionth number of details.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 12: 09
    -1
    Quote: vadim dok
    Rocket Mask Falkon9 carrying capacity of 22,8 tons, it flies for a long time!

    Carrier Proton. The number of launches is 427. Successful 376. The first launch on July 16.07.1965, XNUMX.
    The payload mass on the DOE is 23,7 tons.
    I congratulate you on the successful and timely licking ass pin dos dos. .
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 12: 12
    -2
    Quote: slipped
    "Second in stories test launch "," From which cosmodrome the "Angara" will be launched, is not reported. "- not really, guys, neighing laughing

    What are horses doing here? Their place is in the stable.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 19 June 2020 12: 19
    -2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Speaking of spaceports.
    SpaceX is looking for engineers (job openings) with design experience
    "Interplanetary sea spaceports" belay
    It is required to design an offshore platform for launching and receiving heavy rockets. To launch / receive cargo and passengers from the Moon, Mars and other planets. fellow

    Well, this needs to be done on an air cushion. In order not to catch flying pieces of iron net. With rocket taxiing motors, of which the Mask accumulates beyond measure. Propellers will not be able to quickly and quickly move a piece of iron under a falling one. The heavyweight separately descending sections have darkness. Hold part on the descent, and catch as it decreases.
    From the bounty of the soulful Mask in the face to the surprise idea.