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Voice of America: Russia Counts on Washington's Assistance in Libya

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he would welcome any Washington efforts to use his influence on Turkey to establish a ceasefire in Libya. At the same time, the United States notes that in the Libyan conflict, Ankara and Moscow support the warring parties.


Russia and Turkey have become key arbiters in Libya, however, as in Syria.

About the situation in Libya, the Voice of America argues.

Last week, Turkey rejected Khalifa Haftar’s proposal for a ceasefire, which was also supported by Egypt.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt ушavuşoлуlu remarked with a mockery that the field marshal wanted a truce only because he began to lose on the battlefield. Indeed, last month, Haftar’s troops had to lift the 14-month siege of the Libyan capital Tripoli, after Turkey sharply increased military assistance to the Government of National Accord (PNS).

Voice of America draws attention to the fact that Lavrov’s call for Washington to assist in the ceasefire negotiations and somehow influence Ankara came a few days after Recep Tayyip Erdogan had a telephone conversation with US President Donald Trump. Assessing the results of this conversation, the Turkish president told the TRT television reporters the following:

A new era between Turkey and the United States may begin after our phone call.

This may mean that Turkey intends to listen more carefully to advice from overseas and not act so contrary to American interests as it has done lately. Although, perhaps, these are just words of a far from simple-minded person.
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  1. Selevc
    Selevc 18 June 2020 11: 59 New
    +7
    Turkey rejected Khalifa Haftar’s ceasefire last week
    And yesterday, everyone around me was saying - Erdogan is a friend !!!
    Erdogan was said - our Turkish friend !!!
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 18 June 2020 12: 12 New
      +3
      And yesterday, everyone around me was saying - Erdogan is a friend !!!
      Erdogan was said - our Turkish friend !!!


      You are confusing politics, commerce and war.
      There are three different topics.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 18 June 2020 12: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Interlocutor
        You are confusing politics, commerce and war.
        There are three different topics.

        Commerce follows the war like a shadow after a man !!! As I understand it, those who trade with Turkey in Russia are hindered by those who fight with it in Russia?
        The fact that Turkey is quite successfully pursuing a carrot and stick policy against Russia is a consequence of Putin's liberal policy, but already on external fronts, so to speak ...

        If a crime has occurred inside Russia and all the bureaucrats are often to blame in an ugly manner and no one is specifically to blame - then outside of Russia the Russians are beaten and also no one is to blame ... Great !!! - everyone is happy except the Russians !!!
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 18 June 2020 14: 18 New
          +3
          The fact that Turkey is quite successfully pursuing a carrot and stick policy against Russia is a consequence of Putin's liberal policy, but already on external fronts, so to speak ...

          All normal countries pursue such policies, against all.
          Well, Putin does not go to Erdogan to resolve issues. Almost always just the opposite. It makes no sense to look at individual manipulations or actions. You should always look at the end result. In Syria, the borders of the division of the confrontation a year ago and now. In Libya, the devil himself will not make out. Turks Libyans, Greeks, and behind us, Germans, French, Italians. Americans just stand by and cry. Do not give a fight. (Just kidding). Policy...
        2. demo
          demo 18 June 2020 14: 22 New
          0
          Not quite right.
          War is a continuation of politics, by other means.
          But commerce is at the forefront!
          Achievements in commerce are possible only with appropriate political or, in extreme cases, military events.
        3. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 18 June 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Selevc
          outside Russia, Russians are beaten and no one is to blame either ...

          Who is against the USA - that is Russian! Great hamster logic.
          In Libya, the interests of the United States are directly affected - they extract oil there and export it through ports. Oil fields and the pipe are guarded by American special forces. And the one who will give more preferences to the Irish-American mafioso will win in Libya. Erdogan, with his aplomb, becomes a bone in the throat of Americans - after his intervention, the ports are closed and kerosene does not flow through the pipe. The UAE and Egypt are also unhappy - some black-headed Turk interferes in the affairs of the allah-loving Arabs.
          That's what, and the interests of Russia war in Libya does not hurt in any way. We do not produce oil, Chechen-Tatar militants do not undergo training in Libya.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 June 2020 12: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Interlocutor
        You are confusing politics, commerce and war.
        There are three different topics.

        This is definitely not to be confused. The main wallet.
        1. Molox
          Molox 18 June 2020 16: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Interlocutor
          You are confusing politics, commerce and war.
          There are three different topics.

          This is definitely not to be confused. The main wallet.

          Well, Erdogan interacts with Russia in all this .. There is a clearly hidden game going on. Turkey and the Kurds didn’t succeed. Now they have rushed to Libya and also something is not going well ..
          And the appeal of Lavrov, this is a diplomatic trick .. the United States is now not up to foreign policy ..))))
      3. businessv
        businessv 18 June 2020 15: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Interlocutor
        You are confusing politics, commerce and war.
        There are three different topics.
        How different is that ?! This is one topic, and commercially very attractive and profitable!
    2. janeck
      janeck 18 June 2020 12: 42 New
      +5
      "Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he would welcome any Washington efforts to use his influence on Turkey to establish a ceasefire in Libya."

      - Lavrov is a troll ... should he not know the saying .. "fear the Danes who bring gifts"
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 18 June 2020 12: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: Selevc
      And yesterday, everyone around me was saying - Erdogan is a friend !!!
      Erdogan was said - our Turkish friend !!!

      Our "cross and toe" said that he alone would not get off with pamidors, but then changed his mind.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 18 June 2020 13: 08 New
        +3
        Where are the tomatoes alone? There - 2 billion green unpaid to Gazprom, plus a pipe built ..
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 18 June 2020 13: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Dikson
          Where are the tomatoes alone? There - 2 billion green unpaid to Gazprom, plus a pipe built ..

          Comrade hi NPPs must be added to this “wise” policy.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 19 June 2020 00: 08 New
            +3
            NPPs must be added to this “wise” policy.

            And the S-400. hi
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 18 June 2020 14: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        Our "cross and toe" said that he alone would not get off with pamidors,

        And they didn’t get off. BTA flies to Syria not through Iran-Iraq, but through Turkey.
        Erdogan is an independent neighbor. Unlike the leaders of ukrokozh. You can negotiate with him.
    4. Civil
      Civil 18 June 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      The USA and Turkey are in NATO, these are military allies, and the cunning Rajep flirts.
    5. KURT330
      KURT330 18 June 2020 18: 30 New
      0
      What's the problem? Either Erdogan or Haftar. Or maybe you identify Haftar with Russia? That is, Haftar-Russia, Russia-Haftar? Maybe Haftar accepts Russian tourists, buys S-400 from Russia, or maybe Haftar is building a nuclear power plant with Russian participation?
  2. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 June 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    Lavrov is a troll! wink Although now is the time to troll the striped and their slaves:
    On the third day an unprecedented event took place. The main propagandist channel of Mordor ORT completed the screening of the odious Brat-2 film instead of captions with frames of the current unrest in the bulwark of freedom. And all this to the song "Goodbye, America." From all sides we heard moans. The Moscow liberal intelligentsia was indignant, sharing the best memories of the legs of Bush, American humanitarian aid and the Snickers bars in the holy nineties. Conscious blogger Sanya Stalingulag, violently seething with a foam of indignation the frantic Luda Scribe. Microbloggers from Zhytomyr shared their angry reaction to the ending of the film in Moscow minibuses with tears in their eyes. Konstantin Semin recalled internationalism, Patrice Lumumbu, Emperor Bokassu and the shame of being Russian. The Moscow urbanists and the St. Petersburg LGBT community were amazed at the wild savagery of the deep-seated people. Arkady Babchenko said that after that he only wants to die and published his details.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 18 June 2020 12: 09 New
      +1
      The United States will support only that which meets its state. interests, business and what is profitable for her !!!
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 18 June 2020 12: 12 New
        +2
        Does Russia have no opportunity to influence Turkey itself? I do not believe in this nonsense.
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 18 June 2020 12: 16 New
          +2
          Well no. Erdogan plays his pipe.
          1. bayard
            bayard 19 June 2020 00: 02 New
            +1
            Erdogan agreed with Trump that Turkey is replacing the United States in this region, because the United States is leaving the world and is no longer capable of active military expansion. Moreover, their main goal is China.
            This is what inspired Erdogan. But is there enough resource for so many fronts? If there is no active opposition, then it may be enough. What if? And if it does, then it can be torn.
            Worst of all, Turkey is clearly in conflict with Russia.
            On their own initiative and on several fronts.
            This is bad .
            She certainly can’t stand the military confrontation, but she can spoil.
            If Egypt and Greece reach the war with the Turks, and the Turks do not change their policies, Egypt can and should be supported.
            And with Greece, if memory serves, we have an agreement on military assistance in the Turkish attack.
            Least of all I would like to fit precisely in Greece, but with such behavior of Turkey - this is a completely legitimate opportunity to resolve this issue once and for all. As Paisius said from Mount Athos.
            Although it would be better to restore order in the region with the Turks, there was a chance. But they seem to have made a choice.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 18 June 2020 13: 10 New
          -1
          Turkey put on Russia with the device ..
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 18 June 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    Indeed, last month, Haftar’s troops had to lift the 14-month siege of the Libyan capital Tripoli, after Turkey sharply increased military assistance to the Government of National Accord (PNS).

    And it’s not so, a little more trained, regular troops, and everything could have fallen from either side ... the question is who exactly they helped, he is in the ladies.
  4. Dikson
    Dikson 18 June 2020 13: 06 New
    +1
    .. This may mean that Turkey received carte blanche from the United States for any action in Libya .. The more Russia gets drawn into this dog dump in the Middle East, the more profitable it is for the Americans .. The Turks systematically and consistently go to their goal and decide their tasks. "The strongest army in the region" - how many times has it been repeated here? The Turks simply take what they can reach and what is bad in their opinion lies ..
    1. Tugarin
      Tugarin 18 June 2020 13: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Dikson
      urks just take what they can reach and what is bad in their opinion lies

      And also, with small nibbles check the boundaries of the permissible.
  5. Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 18 June 2020 13: 39 New
    -2
    The United States does not know the Russian mentality ..... If the Russian speaks ---- ask that you do not climb, this does not mean at all that someone is afraid of someone ......
    Usually they say this in order to say later ---- well, we asked you ....... This means that this mouse fuss of the Turks, we may get bored ........
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 18 June 2020 14: 13 New
      -2
      Well, you get tired of this mouse fuss of the Turks ... and what do you do? It never occurred to you that they have their own interests. You have only one thing in mind - we are Russia, and “everyone should love us, everyone should be grateful to us, everyone should ... thank you. All of Russia lives on other people's technologies, on other people's goods, import substitution is a fairy tale for TV viewers. Look at the commercials on Russian TV programs for Europe and you will understand what I'm talking about.
      1. businessv
        businessv 18 June 2020 14: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: L-39NG
        You have only one thing in mind - we are Russia, and "everyone should love us, everyone should be thankful to us, everyone should ...

        Why are you sprinkling such pearls? Russia possesses technologies that are quite successfully used in the West when buying our products - for example, carbon fiber from Umatex Rosatom. How many western astronauts were transported into space? Life will force us to restore what was ruined by stupidity, it is just a matter of time. To say that Russia lives on other people's technologies is a little foolish - half of the Silicon Valley is our citizens, even though they were former. And as for advertising, decipher - it hurts for me to understand what you only mean, at least sometimes I see it.
        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG 18 June 2020 15: 41 New
          0
          Western astronauts into space? Simply, they calculated and paid, instead of what they would now, to throw their money into the development of what you can buy. You can always buy cheaper. Half of Silicon Valley ... that's it! This is not your citizens! You need to understand why they are there, and not in Russia. And the ads are artists, concerts and food, and there’s no Russian technology
          1. businessv
            businessv 18 June 2020 18: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: L-39NG
            Western astronauts into space? They simply calculated and paid, instead of what they would now, to throw their money into the development of what you can buy.
            You have double standards, partner! You accuse Russia of not producing, but simply buying "so that you don’t throw your money into developing what you can buy," but for your fellow tribesmen this is quite normal and doesn’t bother you at all ?! Decide for a start, and then write but so that one of your statements does not contradict another! And deal with people like you why you left and why it's just stupid! Why are people like you and others like you in Russia, if you do not like her, nor Russian citizens? Left and thank God!
      2. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 18 June 2020 17: 20 New
        +1
        Nobody asks you to love us ..... We are your love, to the bulb. Do you have any interests? Well, for God's sake, we also have them ... And about technology, you turned it down ....... No one in the world has such military technology as in Russia ... Ask for it, experience it for yourself. ... It's simple .... I have not forgotten anything? wink
  6. L-39NG
    L-39NG 18 June 2020 14: 00 New
    0
    Yeah, stop, understand correctly? Explain.
    Russia, Moscow, the Kremlin turned to Washington for help, so that it would help the Kremlin keep its influence in Libya, so that the Kremlin could establish its military bases (at the expense of Russian taxpayers and at the cost of their lives) in Libya, to oust Washington and the EU from the region . And if it’s not possible to build a base, then at least help us so that We, invested in our pocket, from the Russian state budget to Libya, do not lose.

    From my point of view - a complete loss, whether you like it or not.
    1. bayard
      bayard 19 June 2020 00: 15 New
      0
      Quote: L-39NG

      From my point of view - a complete loss, whether you like it or not.

      Nothing is clear yet, and this appeal can only be washed with hands, such as "we asked you," because the Turks are in obvious conflict with a number of states in the region. If after Turkey Egypt intervenes in the conflict and we support it (even if indirect actions), the conflict can turn out to be very hot.
      And if also Greece?
      For threatened.
      Therefore, in order to avoid future shocks, Russia turned to the United States.
      And the United States, a serious war in the Mediterranean, on the contrary, is beneficial - to leave behind chaos, and leave.
  7. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 18 June 2020 14: 34 New
    0
    Moscow counts on the help of Washington ??? Yes, she just offers Washington not to add fuel to the fire, nothing more.
  8. prior
    prior 18 June 2020 14: 35 New
    +1
    As a result of the competent actions of the Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov, under the strict guidance of the president, Russia practically had no allies and friends, only partners who for some reason have Russia ... fines, sanctions and other non-payments.
    A logical question arises: is Lavrov really so good in his place?
    1. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 14: 44 New
      0
      Quote: prior
      A logical question arises: is Lavrov really so good in his place?
      Do you think that if he is replaced by someone else, the Turks will immediately come to their senses and start blowing with us in the same tune? Lavrov is one of the few professionals in the government, with an impeccable work and international reputation.
      1. L-39NG
        L-39NG 18 June 2020 15: 07 New
        0
        “And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
        You’re not good at musicians. ”
        1. businessv
          businessv 18 June 2020 15: 18 New
          +1
          And this is you to whom Krylova sent? To me, or to the government? Be more specific, "partner"!
          1. L-39NG
            L-39NG 18 June 2020 15: 43 New
            0
            I am not a partner, but just a participant in the discussions
            1. L-39NG
              L-39NG 18 June 2020 18: 44 New
              +1
              Got another minus. the "brown-nosed" again did not like the "freethinking". Up to this point (minus), I haven’t set minuses to anyone, out of principle.
              This is for the article, as yet, of the current constitution on freedom of speech.
              1. businessv
                businessv 18 June 2020 20: 22 New
                0
                Quote: L-39NG
                Got another minus. the "brown-nosed" again did not like the "free-thinking."
                Freedom of Thought! Personally, I see in your posts a dislike of Russia and a reverence for the West, which is why I am writing to you not a “colleague”, but a “partner” (this is just irony). And I also see disrespect for the opinions of others, which is expressed in your definition of "brown-nosed", because you have never been attributed to any class, as far as I could see? And the last one - if you are a participant in the discussions, then answer essentially please say what you want, but on the case, do not complain about the minuses and please do not try to manipulate the consciousness of members of the forum, dear, mentioning in your posts attacks on freedom of thought and freedom of speech! hi
      2. prior
        prior 18 June 2020 15: 16 New
        0
        If Gromyko was "Mr. NO", then Lavrov was "Mr. Expression of concern."
        As part of the current government, any minister will fulfill the order of this government, so replacing one minister with another will not do anything. Example: Medvedev - Mishustin. What is the result and meaning of the replacement?
        1. businessv
          businessv 18 June 2020 15: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: prior
          As part of the current government, any minister will fulfill the order of this government, so replacing one minister with another will not do anything.
          I totally agree! To change foreign policy, a replacement of the entire leadership is needed.
    2. KURT330
      KURT330 18 June 2020 19: 06 New
      0
      Lavrov simply has no one to replace. He has to go on vacation for a long time already. In the ruling elite of Russia there is no man in his place, believe me. That is, there are frames, but they do not fit the "necessary" criteria))
  9. businessv
    businessv 18 June 2020 14: 39 New
    +1
    Although, perhaps, these are just words of a far from simple-minded person.
    who says one thing, thinks different, but does the third!
  10. Dron_sk
    Dron_sk 18 June 2020 15: 25 New
    +2
    Russia's interests in Libya are lost, it is worth recognizing. Without a symmetrical answer, that is, without the deployment of their regular troops there, the war is lost there.
    Putin has been in big politics for more than 20 years, and everyone plays a noble knight who thinks that with his noble deeds he will force others to do the same to him ... It doesn’t work out !! and will not work !! Gives loans to Ukraine, Ukraine holds the Maidan, fenced off from the Russian Federation, pours mud on us, refuses to pay loans. Belarus sometimes helps with oil discounts and cheap loans, they get used to it and believe that it should be so on an ongoing basis ... For Turkey, it builds a nuclear power plant, builds a Turkish stream, sells S-400, hoping to have an ally in the region. And Turkey, without a twinge of conscience, attacks our allies to advance its interests, and opens a new "era in relations" with the USA, and this after our naive media wrote for 2 years about the discord between the USA and Turkey, that the USA had collapsed the economy Turkey, that they are threatening to impose sanctions for the purchase of S-400, that Turkey refuses the United States because of Gulen ... in general, not only Putin is naive, but also many of the domestic analysts, although even to the average observer this discrepancy between From the very beginning, Turkey and the United States seemed, if not ostentatious, then just temporary.
    Conclusions: 1) Nehren give loans to countries with unstable statehood. If you gave it, then you need to maintain statehood there that is loyal to itself, and what should be prepared for tough measures. 2) Do not get involved in local conflicts far beyond the borders of your borders, if you are not ready to take tough measures there again to advance your interests. Or, if you support, it’s only by selling weapons, and for that, for instant cash and not for future foggy prospects ... And then we get involved, and then it turns out that we are not ready to give a tough answer and that’s what’s happening ... Enough with us Syria, the costs to which horseradish understand when it will pay off, given that the oil fields have not yet been returned to control ... The lives of the dead certainly will not be returned ... 3) Focus on internal development and strengthening defense capabilities, stopping throwing money into adventurous projects. 4) As markets for arms enough from us alone, China and India, especially in modern conditions of relations between them. Small countries and so will not leave us with their orders.
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 June 2020 15: 33 New
    -1
    Voice of America: Russia Counts on Washington's Assistance in Libya
    Shaw, don’t do it? We deprive the status of "partner". angry
  12. iouris
    iouris 18 June 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    Lavrov should have his connections in Washington - he worked there for a long time. And you can try to connect the former boss Kozyrev. Will receive an increase in retirement.
    Seriously, there’s nothing to catch: the situation has gotten out of control and will never come back.
  13. KURT330
    KURT330 18 June 2020 18: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Dikson
    Turkey put on Russia with the device ..

    In fact, this is not so. In Russia, Turkey is well treated politically and culturally.
    You just do not need to underestimate Turkey and try to keep its distance precisely on the geography of its interests. After all, Russia and the United States are far away from Syria and Libya. Why do you think that Turkey, as a significant regional player, should contemplate this mess around the perimeter of its borders directly? After all, the Greeks and French tried to stop the Turkish cargo ship following the course to Misurata. And what came of it? Well, they would. Also, Iraq began to bomb. So it’s not so simple.
  14. KURT330
    KURT330 18 June 2020 18: 59 New
    0
    Quote: businessv
    Why are people like you and others like you in Russia, if you do not like her, nor Russian citizens? Left and thank God!

    Vadim, I apologize for interfering in your dialogue. Well, adults, we are all here. Russian in America does not mean that he is not a patriot of his homeland. Ask Russians living in the USA or in Europe, they will tell you what to love your Russia. You are not looking there. We must see what prompted the person to leave. I think it’s not worth going into details. And let's not compare social security, salaries, pensions, and in general the standard of living of TAM in the Russian Federation. Well this is an axiom. I hope in Russia, too, everything will settle down with time, but for this you need big changes. hi
  15. KURT330
    KURT330 18 June 2020 19: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Dron_sk
    And Turkey, without a twinge of conscience, attacks our allies to advance its interests, and opens a new "era in relations" with the USA

    Turkey is not so smooth with the United States as you think.
  16. zenion
    zenion 19 June 2020 12: 45 New
    0
    Someone came up with a fool. US attacked, US help.