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Nuland offers to “put pressure” on Putin from within the country

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Nuland offers to “put pressure” on Putin from within the country

To put pressure on Putin and bring democracy to Russia, the United States and its allies need to communicate directly with the Russian people, who have been “under Putin’s authority” for twenty years. This statement was made by former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland, who published an article in the American publication Foreign Affairs.


According to Nuland, Russia is not a "monolithic and unshakable" country; recently, dissatisfaction of citizens dissatisfied with Putin’s rule has been growing in the country. Also, problems are added by low oil prices and the coronavirus pandemic, which will lead to a fall in the Russian economy. At the same time, Putin, she writes, “plays cards well” abroad, but inside the country itself his positions are not so strong.

According to Nuland, the United States and its allies have largely connived in Putin’s insolence and self-confidence, allowing him and his henchmen to violate arms control, adopt new military equipment, and threaten the sovereignty of other countries, seizing their territories. Nuland also blames Putin for "interfering in the elections of democratic states" and the use of "cyber weapons" against foreign banks, energy systems and government bodies.

However, she emphasizes, an atmosphere of "doom and skepticism" prevails within Russia itself, to which Putin "pays no attention." And in connection with recent events, such as the fall in oil prices and the spread of coronavirus, the Russian economy will fall even lower, which means that the people will have even more discontent. Therefore, the task of the United States is to put pressure on Putin through Russian citizens, directly communicating with them, especially with young people and residents of small towns.

The challenge for the United States for 2021 will be to lead democracy around the world and jointly develop a more effective approach to Russia. It must be based on the advantages of democracies, and in its implementation it is necessary to put pressure on those
Putin's pain points where he is most vulnerable. Among other things, these are his own citizens

- sums up Nuland.

For our part, we note that we perfectly remember the "communication" of American democracy with the people of a neighboring country, once friendly to Russia, and how it all ended. And the photo of Mrs. Nuland, distributing cookies on the Kiev Maidan, generally went around the whole world. I will give you one piece of advice: communicate better with your people, because while you go into the affairs of other states, your own country may cease to exist.
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  1. Sibguest
    Sibguest 18 June 2020 11: 17 New
    40
    Anyone at all interested in the opinion of this goat torn?
    Why write about her and her kind?
    No more interesting people?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 18 June 2020 11: 21 New
      51
      Very interested.
      With such statements, our opposition immediately began to play with new colors.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 June 2020 11: 24 New
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        Quote: Thunderbringer
        Our opposition immediately began to play with new colors.


        well, so the matter of the new dough for the cut from the State Department smelled
      2. Sibguest
        Sibguest 18 June 2020 11: 25 New
        11
        Yes, and with colors and smells: now they will boldly rush into a new battle - like lions in warm shit.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 18 June 2020 13: 11 New
          10
          In my opinion, plans for a direct appeal to the people do not take into account the interests of grant-eaters. Write off them for inefficiency.
          Neighbors Navalny have already offered shelter. They themselves did not guess. Someone suggested.
          The good news is that the Yankers will not do anything. bully
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 18 June 2020 11: 37 New
        36
        Yes, on our site these same accomplices Nuland a dime a dozen. "Putin go away," please Aunt Vika.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 09 New
          22
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Yes, on our site these same accomplices Nuland a dime a dozen. "Putin go away"

          I confirm!
          these individuals usually live in the "opinions" section
          1. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 18 June 2020 15: 31 New
            +8
            Yes, I also think that Putin should leave. But with Nuland, I’m definitely not on the way.
            1. dvornic
              dvornic 19 June 2020 08: 32 New
              +2
              And with whom along the way? Well, give me at least one last name!
              1. vladimirvn
                vladimirvn 19 June 2020 12: 32 New
                +1
                Unfortunately I can’t name the last name, the clearing is cleared to shine!
              2. mongol9999
                mongol9999 19 June 2020 13: 47 New
                0
                Will the last name Ivanov suit you?
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 19 June 2020 11: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: vladimirvn
              Yes, I also think that Putin should leave. But with Nuland, I’m definitely not on the way.

              tell us what Putin does not suit you (actions / inaction) and also suggest alternative options that would suit you and, if possible, examples of other countries' approaches to resolving issues that do not suit you.
              ps
              this will be a constructive dialogue
              PPP
              perhaps you yourself do not realize that you are from nuland along the way.
              1. vladimirvn
                vladimirvn 19 June 2020 12: 34 New
                +1
                Why does he have all his friends millionaires? Former or became with him. This is what his policy is based on. "There is no alternative to me!"
                An example of the Head of Singapore suits me.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 19 June 2020 13: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  Why is he all millionaire friends?

                  all presidents have millionaire friends. all who master budgets are millionaire friends.
                  Moreover, the supreme power should have hundreds of millions, otherwise the elite will be bought for beads and glass ... as they bought, in due time, Gorbachev ....... he sold the USSR for ...... 1 million. dollars ..... total .....
                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  "There is no alternative to me!"

                  People remain people, but you also would like for you to have no alternative, right?
                  Quote: vladimirvn
                  An example of the Head of Singapore suits me.

                  HAHAHAHA ...
                  Well, so Singapore gained rapid development immediately after the deployment of the US military base !!!!!!!
                  Singapore sold its sovereignty to the United States in order to improve the living standards of its fellow citizens (Singapore had its own "Marshall" plan).
                  ps
                  By the way, Lee Kuan Yew argued that civil servants should pay the highest salaries because they deserve it, representing a decent and honest government. If they are underpaid, they can succumb to the temptation and get involved in corruption.
                  1. vladimirvn
                    vladimirvn 19 June 2020 14: 37 New
                    +2
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    all presidents have millionaire friends.

                    Not everyone. I do not mind when a person works hard and earns a lot. I am opposed when they start confusing their pocket and the state. And I do not believe that all his friends are true patriots and statesmen.
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 19 June 2020 14: 59 New
                      -1
                      Quote: vladimirvn
                      Not everyone.

                      everyone has!!!!!
                      Look at the biography / relatives of the US presidents, British prime ministers ...
                      Quote: vladimirvn
                      I am opposed when they start confusing their pocket and the state.

                      but this is in vain!
                      all officials want to have more, it’s the same person with their fears and greed.
                  2. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 19 June 2020 18: 09 New
                    0
                    Singapore received rapid development when it ended corruption. Russia has no desire to seriously fight corruption.
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 22 June 2020 11: 39 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Alex Justice
                      Singapore received rapid development when it ended corruption.

                      it is a legend to cover up the true cause.
                      Quote: Alex Justice
                      Russia has no desire to seriously fight corruption.

                      does the US have? tell this to Biden and his son.
              2. Alexey Polyakh
                Alexey Polyakh 20 June 2020 07: 34 New
                -1
                Prices rise 18 (eighteen) years. without indexing. This Putin decided so ???
                "Everyone should:
                1. Build a House.
                2. Plant a tree.
                3. Raise a child. "
                Where is the land for the construction of the house? In the Far East? Did Putin decide that?
              3. Alexey Polyakh
                Alexey Polyakh 20 June 2020 13: 09 New
                0
                Land, 20 acres (2000 sq.m. (two thousand square meters)) - to each adult Citizen. Muscovite - in MOSCOW. A resident of St. Petersburg - in PETERSBURG. Etc. Land, in the amount of 1 (one) piece, With the possibility of exchange for other cities. For the construction of a residential building and the arrangement of gardening ... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications communications .... WITHOUT communications .... WITHOUT communications ....
        2. figwam
          figwam 18 June 2020 12: 19 New
          17
          Therefore, the task of the United States is to put pressure on Putin through Russian citizens, directly communicating with them, especially with young people and residents of small towns.

          That already baked cookies! and she’s not even shy that she’s going to interfere in the affairs of another state, here's a bitch ...
          1. stalki
            stalki 18 June 2020 12: 55 New
            19
            That already baked cookies! and she’s not even shy that she’s going to interfere in the affairs of another state, here's a bitch ...
            And this is their norm, if we do not interfere then we are sure to blame, and if they interfere then there is no contradiction in this. Therefore, the "fifth column" must be squeezed in the bud. Like cockroaches.
            1. hohkn
              hohkn 18 June 2020 14: 49 New
              +4
              Quote: stalki
              Therefore, the "fifth column" must be squeezed in the bud. Like cockroaches.

              Correctly! Steam locomotives must be crushed while they are still teapots.
            2. Cube123
              Cube123 18 June 2020 16: 17 New
              10
              Quote: stalki
              That already baked cookies! and she’s not even shy that she’s going to interfere in the affairs of another state, here's a bitch ...
              And this is their norm, if we do not interfere then we are sure to blame, and if they interfere then there is no contradiction in this. Therefore, the "fifth column" must be squeezed in the bud. Like cockroaches.

          2. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 18 June 2020 13: 02 New
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            Quote: figvam
            Therefore, the task of the United States is to put pressure on Putin through Russian citizens, directly communicating with them, especially with young people and residents of small towns.

            That already baked cookies! and she’s not even shy that she’s going to interfere in the affairs of another state, here's a bitch ...

            Let, with his cookies, travel to their cities and distribute to their African-American blacks!
          3. Andobor
            Andobor 18 June 2020 14: 03 New
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            Quote: figvam
            and not even shy about going to interfere in the affairs of another state

            According to American laws, she is obliged to intervene — their interference in the affairs of others is also specified in the budget — that’s why hired Spain jumps so briskly on the Russian-speaking Internet.
        3. paul3390
          paul3390 18 June 2020 12: 28 New
          12
          You liberals have tried to equate Putin’s discontent with treason! For example, I am a convinced communist, and for me the power of a protege of Putin’s big capital is categorically unacceptable. Suppose people like me leave the same and come to power. What do you think - very much from this aunt Vika will be glad? I assure you - we will do everything possible so that it will drench with bitter tears .. That's it ..
          1. WILL
            WILL 18 June 2020 12: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: paul3390
            For example, I am a convinced communist, and for me the power of a protege of Putin’s big capital is categorically unacceptable. Suppose - people like me will leave the same and come to power.

            Allow me to inquire, you are a communist by conviction, and to what party do you belong? On whose "wings" were they going to take away the "non-neashnigo" and come to the Government?
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 18 June 2020 12: 41 New
              +6
              I do not allow it.
              1. WILL
                WILL 18 June 2020 12: 50 New
                -4
                Quote: paul3390
                I do not allow it.

                Actually, as required to prove ... Only you can balabolit! negative revolutionary - go get ready for the School!
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 18 June 2020 19: 58 New
                  +3
                  No. I just do not have the slightest desire to enlighten a character who carries frank nonsense. Engage, my dear, self-education, read which of the classics for a future dream. You look - and you yourself will understand everything. Although - it is unlikely, judging by the posts ..
            2. tatra
              tatra 18 June 2020 14: 25 New
              +5
              So you are a member of United Russia? Enemies of the communists, portraying the opposition, are very beneficial to the enemies of the communists in the Yeltsin-Putin regime, and the more disgusting this "opposition" is, the better for the authorities - she slips this "opposition" to the people as a "horror story" - if you don't want us, it will only be they, and unites this "opposition" with the "left" opposition. Like, if there are pro-Western Russophobes-liberals against Putin, then the Communists / Socialists, who are against Putin, are also pro-Western Russophobes. Only for 20 years, Putin has not repressed any liberal for political reasons, in contrast to his political repression against the "left".
              1. WILL
                WILL 18 June 2020 16: 01 New
                +4
                Why do you think so? I’m just wondering what Party people with communist views are in, no more. If a person cannot name the party that he supports, then how did they get together to come to the Government, if in a revolutionary way - then unconditionally I will support the Constitutional system, the Government, the Elected President - including with arms in hand.
                I go to the Elections, I never voted for Edinorosov!
                1. tatra
                  tatra 18 June 2020 16: 07 New
                  -4
                  It is clear that you are one of those who "and I am not for anyone, but I have no one to vote for," and selflessly criticize both the authorities and the "opposition" from the enemies of the communists, and against the communists.
                  1. WILL
                    WILL 18 June 2020 16: 23 New
                    -2
                    Quote: tatra
                    It is clear that you are one of those who "and I am not for anyone, but I have no one to vote for," and selflessly criticize both the authorities and the "opposition" from the enemies of the communists, and against the communists.

                    You are not tired of answering your own questions ... understanding? I am far from a child with clear political views, I understand perfectly well - Who I Vote for!
                    1. tatra
                      tatra 18 June 2020 16: 31 New
                      -5
                      And who do you vote for? Or criticizing those who vote for the Communists, are you afraid to admit who you vote for?
                      1. WILL
                        WILL 18 June 2020 16: 43 New
                        -2
                        Quote: tatra
                        And who do you vote for? Or criticizing those who vote for the Communists, are you afraid to admit who you vote for?

                        Where do I criticize those who vote for the Communists ??? Stop coming up already! He wrote - that he adheres to communist views, received a question from me - which party supports the party, evaded the answer!
                        I voted for Fair Russia, in the next election - I’ll be thinking Who to vote for. Mironov as a political figure - for Me no longer exists. Like Zyuganov by the way.
                2. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 18 June 2020 16: 29 New
                  -4
                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  I will support the Constitutional system, the Government, the President-Elect - including with arms in hand.

                  I am very sorry, well, and who are you going to bullet from your hands with weapons?
                  1. WILL
                    WILL 18 June 2020 16: 49 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    I will support the Constitutional system, the Government, the President-Elect - including with arms in hand.

                    I am very sorry, well, and who are you going to bullet from your hands with weapons?

                    I am sure that this will not come to this! Because you are a narrow marginal layer that can only wag your tongue and press the buttons on the Internet. Well, to be rude ... I am for you - you!
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 18 June 2020 17: 03 New
                      -4
                      Quote: ANIMAL
                      I am sure that this will not come to this! Because you are a narrow marginal layer that can only wag your tongue and press the buttons on the Internet. Well, to be rude ... I am for you - you!

                      Too much pathos in you, just apparently for two, so ok. , you will be "you".
                      Shl. "You" is not rudeness, but from you rushing aggression and soon we will see which part is marginal. Popular wisdom says: "Be careful when cornering, you can break the shafts." hi
                      1. WILL
                        WILL 18 June 2020 18: 06 New
                        +3
                        This is your private opinion! In any case, well-mannered people - communicate with you, it's not the first time we communicate with you - even if the views are different, but respecting decency is necessary!
                      2. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 18 June 2020 19: 27 New
                        -6
                        Quote: ANIMAL
                        Brought up people - communicate with you, we are not talking with you for the first time - even if the views are different, but respecting the rules of decency is necessary!

                        Duc and I are about the same, if someone pokes me in the face with their own hands and with weapons in them, that is to say threaten, then what should be my reaction? Therefore, I’m telling you, it’s not even worth it hi
                      3. WILL
                        WILL 18 June 2020 19: 47 New
                        +4
                        Quote: ANIMAL
                        ... how they gathered to come to the Government, if in a revolutionary way - then unconditionally I will support the Constitutional system, the Government, the Elected President - including with arms in hand.

                        Where is there even a word about Malyut? Well, if of course Malyuta is not a fiery revolutionary? If you want blood and Civil war - yes My statement applies to you.
                        Russia has exhausted its limit of Revolutions, what can happen if what happened on the Maidan is repeated - we see Ukraine as an example!
                      4. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 18 June 2020 21: 43 New
                        -5
                        Quote: ANIMAL
                        If you want blood and Civil war - yes My statement applies to you.

                        EEEE to her, citizen! You talk all the time about blood, civil wars, is everything all right with your psyche? I personally declare to you that, with all the others, when you infringe on my rights as a citizen, I will answer you the same! Something is not clear?
                        And bogeying me about "you want it like in Paris", "maydanutyh", "like in Argentina" doesn't work at all ...
                        You will be carried away by youth as an unnecessary burden. hi
                      5. Lexus
                        Lexus 19 June 2020 00: 58 New
                        +2
                        This nulland statement is a well-thought-out move. By no means accidental. "Zeroing" completely suits all "partners. Russia is infringed on its rights, cut off from access to modern technologies, capital flight continues, population dies out, etc. Seeing real statistics, without embellishment, in the USA they understand that the affairs of the" zeroed "are bad, and the prospects of staying on the throne are not so rosy. ”The decision was made to tip the scales in our direction, it could not be more effective, discrediting and thus causing a split in the ranks of the popular opposition, discrediting those who disagreed and forcing fragile minds to rally around the idea of ​​false patriotism under the wing of Mr. PZh, giving a clear signal and actually untiing his hands to start a “witch hunt.” And if the “zeroing” fails and representatives of the people come to power, it will turn out that the Americans, as always, have nothing to do with it - other people's dirty hands will be stained with blood. Operation cover and nothing else. hi
        4. BAI
          BAI 18 June 2020 17: 02 New
          +5
          I’m just wondering what Party people with communist views are in, no more

          Have you heard anything about non-partisan Bolsheviks? Chapaev also knew about them.
          1. WILL
            WILL 18 June 2020 17: 59 New
            0
            Quote: BAI

            Have you heard anything about non-partisan Bolsheviks? Chapaev also knew about them.

            Duck there, Comrade Power was going to take, that is, in your opinion, he will take it in Chapaevsky, Alone on a dashing war horse? Or is a group of non-partisan Bolsheviks still coordinated by someone? In Russia, parties containing the Communist in their name - well, not One at all!
        5. paul3390
          paul3390 18 June 2020 20: 02 New
          +1
          including with weapons in hand.
          Funny .. At least I had to shoot, warrior? Do you have your own weapons? Or another balabalstvo?
  2. mark2
    mark2 18 June 2020 12: 41 New
    14
    For example, I am a convinced communist, and for me the power of a protege of Putin’s big capital is categorically unacceptable. Suppose - people like me will leave the same and come to power.


    So as you already had a chance. Not justified. Even today yours left only the name, the essence has changed completely.

    What do you think - very much from this aunt Vika will be glad?


    He will be delighted greatly. While you will share power with the old team, the United States will adjust its rating.

    I assure you - we will do everything possible so that it will drench with bitter tears.

    You first come to power. And today, you can’t even generate a decent candidate. Uncle Zyu merged, and the communist oligarch who made a fortune on a strawberry at a state farm with 36 hectares of land devalues ​​the very idea of ​​communism.
    Oh yes Platoshkin. A person with that name will never be at the head of the country. Only a collective farm.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 18 June 2020 12: 46 New
      +9
      Like you, you don’t want to understand the obvious truth. Socialism is not someone’s wishlist there, but the inevitable stage of human development. He will be required, regardless of the genossa
      Sue, Platoshkina and whoever else.

      The USSR - this was just the first experience in the history of mankind, and - beyond success. From this it is necessary to draw the appropriate conclusions and repeat the achievements of the ancestors, avoiding their mistakes. And do not write all sorts of nonsense ..
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 June 2020 14: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: paul3390
        The USSR - this was just the first experience in the history of mankind, and - beyond success. From this it is necessary to draw the appropriate conclusions and repeat the achievements of the ancestors, avoiding their mistakes. And do not write all sorts of nonsense ..

        The first was the "Paris Commune", it lasted 70 days, the USSR held out for more than 70 years. The dynamics are impressive. The future belongs to communism and socialism as its first stage.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 18 June 2020 13: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: mark2
      a communist oligarch who made a fortune on a strawberry at a state farm with a total area of ​​36 hectares devalues ​​the very idea of ​​communism.

      Lying is not good. He is not a communist.
      But he adheres to the ideas of social justice and proves this by practice.
      On the devaluation, I would like to see the details with links. Well, at least for the honest Pamfilova. hi
    3. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 14: 28 New
      -3
      And who are YOURS? And on the basis of what from what have you done, you seriously imagined that you and your Yeltsin-Putin authorities are more than worthy of the country than the communists and their supporters?
    4. Pilot
      Pilot 18 June 2020 17: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: mark2
      Oh yes Platoshkin. A person with that name will never be at the head of the country.
      Other surnames are certainly preferable to liberal Russophobia, such as Shelomov, Mendel, Gref, Chubais, Rotenberg .... ???? You don’t already know how to get to the bottom of a decent person, because you are attached to his name. negative It’s hard for you when a serious opponent doesn’t fit into your usual parameters, si ,,, ksyu, ,, shit, and ,, strawberry aliggar, that’s why you’re sewing on Platoshkin to darn in criminality and thereby close his way to the presidency. Well, nothing, we didn’t start these, fights, without rules ... angry
  3. stalki
    stalki 18 June 2020 13: 00 New
    +6
    Suppose - people like me will leave the same and come to power. What do you think - very much from this aunt Vika will be glad? I assure you - we will do everything possible so that it will drench with bitter tears .. That's it ..

    Yeah, and that means you have grown in mass, in "iron", in firmness of position, in brains, in support of the people, in readiness to contain external threats. I look at your silushki, the sleeves are already cracking. Wow! I'm scared.
    1. Revival
      Revival 20 June 2020 01: 19 New
      -2
      Whether you are scared or not, the seven-trillion question, may, opinion
  4. Lopatov
    Lopatov 18 June 2020 13: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: paul3390
    Suppose - people like me will leave the same and come to power. What do you think - very much from this aunt Vika will be glad?

    Very ...
    As practice shows, "conviction communists" were the best at destroying Russia. From Lenin with Trotsky, to Gorbachev with Yeltsin ... and 4.7 million square kilometers like a cow with a tongue. A quarter of the territory.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 18 June 2020 13: 47 New
      0
      The "conviction communists" were the best at destroying Russia. From Lenin with Trotsky to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
      Well, you cannot put Lenin, Trotsky and Yeltsin with Gorbach on the same level. The first two advocated the destruction of Russia and the Russian people (Russia should burn in the flames of the world revolution, etc. [quote] [/ quote]) that is, enemies, And the second are ordinary "bad boys" who fell for the bourgeois cookies. Just traitors.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 June 2020 14: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: lwxx
        Well, you can not put on the same level Lenin, Trotsky and Yeltsin with Gorbach.

        Can.
        They are all communists.

        Quote: lwxx
        The first two advocated the destruction of Russia and the Russian people

        ??
        Lenin wasn’t exactly bullshitting, Trinity was burning with hatred not for everyone.

        Quote: lwxx
        And the second ordinary "boys are bad"

        No.
        Both communists, both left the CPSU of their own free will, and were not exposed by party comrades.
        Unlike Trotsky
        1. tatra
          tatra 18 June 2020 14: 38 New
          -2
          That's right, the enemies of the communists are mental traitors. Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the communists, who believed them, and whom they pretended to be for 30 years, and you, the rest of the enemies of the communists, betrayed these benefactors of yours, thanks to whom you got all the things that made you foaming at the mouth for 30 years you prove how to all of you "and now it is better than under the communists", they threw them to us, the supporters of real communists, who never "saw the light" did not betray their party, the USSR and the Soviet people.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: tatra
            Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the Communists

            8))))))))))))
            Well, yes .... And the rest of the communists "did not notice."

            Quote: tatra
            and you, the rest of the enemies of the Communists, betrayed

            I did not betray. I eliminated the consequences of betrayal. High school graduation class in a military town. Of all my classmates, only one did not fight. One. Five dead, one without legs. And you will bleat to us about "betrayal"?
            Quote: tatra
            foaming at the mouth, you prove, as to all of you, "but now it's better than under the communists"

            And what if it is? Did you queue up for the "combine"? Half a kilo of "bread sausage" and a kilogram bone on the cards ....
            Or did your parents get into special distributors?

            Quote: tatra
            who never "saw the light" did not betray their party, the USSR and the Soviet people.

            If there were such, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their entire entourage would not have had such a party experience.
            1. tatra
              tatra 18 June 2020 15: 32 New
              0
              This is the whole essence of the enemies of the communists, they are not guilty of those who betrayed, but those who were betrayed, "and I have nothing to do with it", their monstrous attitude towards their country and people, it is completely normal for them to destroy their country and tens of millions of their fellow citizens, who made supermortality after the destruction of the USSR - for the sake of imports, for the sake of counterfeiting Soviet products, for the sake of toilet paper, in order to go around the world.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: tatra
                That is the whole essence of the enemies of the Communists, they are not to blame for those who betrayed, but those whom they betrayed

                laughing laughing laughing
                As far as I understand, are you those who carefully pretended that Yeltsin and Gorbachev, normal communists, are among the victims?

                "I'm not guilty, but I came myself ..." Ugh ...
              2. tatra
                tatra 18 June 2020 15: 43 New
                -3
                Ha, what nonsense? It’s just you, the enemies of the Communists, who have thrown these benefactors to the Communists and their supporters for 30 years, with whom you, since your anti-Soviet Perestroika, have been angry against the Bolshevik Communists and their supporters. And in general, YOU do not have themselves. in your history of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods you have only communists.
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 53 New
                +5
                Quote: tatra
                Ha, what nonsense?

                This is not stupid, this is true.
                The main problem of the Communists is a fundamental unwillingness to admit their mistakes.
                Anyway ... in 1917? "The time was like this" In 1991 "Traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin" In 1996 "And what was it" ...

                And therefore you are doomed to always ride a rake.
                laughing laughing laughing

                I wonder when your audience will see that the Communist Party is now steers a traitor? Betraying those who voted for him ...
                Thirty years later, someone like you, in response to the phrase of someone like me that "Zyuganov is a communist" will be hysterical about "enemies of the communists" and "they are not guilty of those who betrayed, but those who betrayed , "and I have nothing to do with it"
                laughing laughing laughing
              4. tatra
                tatra 18 June 2020 15: 56 New
                -5
                In your ideology and propaganda, enemies of the communists, and in 70 years under Soviet rule, and in these 30 years after your capture of the USSR, there is something else BUT your malice AGAINST the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters, and what they did, and a cowardly whining that you yourself have nothing to do with what you did during the Soviet period and after you captured the USSR, including the responsibility for the capture and dismemberment of the USSR?
              5. Lopatov
                Lopatov 18 June 2020 16: 10 New
                +6
                Quote: tatra
                In your ideology and propaganda, enemies of the communists, and in 70 years under Soviet rule, and in these 30 years after your capture of the USSR, there is something else BUT your malice AGAINST the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters, and what they did, and a cowardly whining that you yourself have nothing to do with what you did during the Soviet period and after you captured the USSR, including the responsibility for the capture and dismemberment of the USSR?

                The USSR was divided by the Communists.
                Shushkevich (in the CPSU since 1968), Kebich (in the CPSU since 1962), Kravchenko (in the CPSU since 1976), Yeltsin (in the CPSU since 1961), Burbulis (in the CPSU since 1971), Kozyrev (in the CPSU since 1975), Shakhrai ( in the CPSU since 1988), Kravchuk (in the CPSU since 1958), Fokin (in the CPSU since 1990) .... All communists, all except Fokin with great party experience
              6. tatra
                tatra 18 June 2020 16: 17 New
                -4
                Ha, it is understandable, there is nothing else in your ideology except what I wrote about. And it is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but also elementary logic and common sense. So, in 1991 they voted for Yeltsin in the elections to the Supreme Soviet and in the elections of the President of Russia, ran to defend him to the White House in August, BUT Yeltsin was pushed aside by the communists and their supporters "but he is not ours, he is your communist."
              7. Lopatov
                Lopatov 18 June 2020 16: 34 New
                +6
                Quote: tatra
                And it is useless to expect from the enemies of the Communists not only truth, but also elementary logic and common sense

                Well amaze me with logic and common sense.
                Describe why the mentioned Shushkevich (in the Communist Party since 1968), Kebich (in the Communist Party since 1962), Kravchenko (in the Communist Party since 1976), Yeltsin (in the Communist Party since 1961), Burbulis (in the Communist Party since 1971), Kozyrev (in the Communist Party since 1975 ), Shahrai (in the Communist Party since 1988), Kravchuk (in the Communist Party since 1958), Fokin (in the Communist Party since 1990) were not expelled from the party before the Communist Party was banned and the USSR collapsed.
                A lot of people ran to defend the "White House" in 1991. Up to the Ukrainian Nazis
                And why did not one of the Communists support the GKChP?
                Why did those who consider themselves communists retire in 1993?
                Why did those who consider themselves communists retire in 1996?

                All "enemies" bother you ...
                laughing laughing laughing
              8. tatra
                tatra 18 June 2020 16: 43 New
                -4
                Ha, well, amaze me with your logic, answer, if a person told you for a long time that he is your friend, and then proved that he is your fierce enemy, will you still consider him your friend?
                And according to your logic, if all of you, enemies of the communists, pose as "great philanthropists" STRICTLY in your anti-Soviet system, we must believe that outside your anti-Soviet system you are the same “great philanthropists”?
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 18 June 2020 20: 08 New
            +1
            The USSR was divided by the Communists.


            “The collapse of socialism in some countries does not mean the death of socialism as a science, but the defeat of opportunism, which led to the degeneration of socialism.
            Due to the fault of the opportunists, socialism is temporarily experiencing difficult ups and downs, but due to its scientific nature and truthfulness, it will certainly be revived.
            and achieve the ultimate victory. "- Kim Jong Il


            The USSR was divided not by the Communists, but by members of the CPSU .. Such as, for example, Putin and all current leadership. And this is a big difference ..
          3. Alexey Polyakh
            Alexey Polyakh 20 June 2020 13: 30 New
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            +++ 100050000 !!!
  • tatra
    tatra 18 June 2020 14: 31 New
    -3
    As practice has shown, the country TWICE, during the Civil War, and in your anti-Soviet Perestroika with slander of the Bolshevik Communists, and justification of the crimes of the external and internal enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, were destroyed by YOU, their enemies.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 18 June 2020 15: 02 New
    0
    [quoteAs practice shows, "the communists by conviction" were the best at destroying Russia. From Lenin] [/ quote] I do not want to offend you, but there is more intellect and genius in one meandering of Lenin than in your whole person.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: 72jora72
      I do not want to offend you, but in one convolution of Lenin there is more intelligence and genius than in all of your person.

      If he is so smart, why did he lose so many people and so many territories?
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 18 June 2020 16: 04 New
        -2
        If he is so smart, why did he lose so many people and so many territories?
        Study impartially the history of Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, study the period of history from 17 to 24 years, a person with your analytical mind will find all the answers.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 18 June 2020 16: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: 72jora72
          Study impartially the history of Russia at the beginning of the 20th century

          It is precisely this "impartial study" that indicates exchange.
          Territory and lives on power
          And by the way, the same thing happened in 1991. Territory and life in exchange for power
          1. Dart
            Dart 18 June 2020 23: 00 New
            +1
            in fact, yes ... the fast-paced semblance of the central government had to be feverishly strengthened ... yes, at least by exchange, and there wasn’t much choice ... it was only later, after strengthening, we went after our own .. not very good (all the same, the Empire didn’t it turned out to stitch to the previous volumes), but somehow it turned out ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 18 June 2020 23: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Dart
              it is only later, after strengthening, we went after ours .. not very well (after all, the Empire did not manage to sew up to the previous volumes), but somehow it turned out ...

              The only one who sewed was Stalin.
              And already Khrushchev began to squander.

              And with Stalin, everything is completely ambiguous. After all, he himself understood that for the sake of the vital progressive movement he had to very, very many break through his knee. Often to death.
              It was not for nothing that films about Peter and the Terrible were made with him. Actually rehabilitating them. And justifying IW itself in my own eyes.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 18 June 2020 15: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: Spade
    Very ...
    As practice shows, "conviction communists" were the best at destroying Russia. From Lenin with Trotsky, to Gorbachev with Yeltsin ... and 4.7 million square kilometers like a cow with a tongue. A quarter of the territory.

    Only a clinical one can put nearby Lenin, Trotsky, Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Only a clinical one can put nearby Lenin, Trotsky, Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

      Straight on Zhvanetsky ... laughing laughing laughing
      But in essence, what is said, are there any arguments? Or do they not need them?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 June 2020 15: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: Spade
        Straight on Zhvanetsky ... laughing laughing laughing
        But in essence, what is said, are there any arguments? Or do they not need them?

        I repeat, only the clinical cannot see the difference between Lenin, Trotsky, Gorbachev and Yeltsin. This is an axiom. And she, as you know, does not require evidence.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 18 June 2020 15: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          It is an axiom.

          Not. This is an assumption.
          Arguments in favor of which some simply do not have. For arguments need brains, not a quote
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 18 June 2020 16: 05 New
            -4
            To prove the obvious truths to different ... (the word that Schweik always called was automatically deleted) there is neither desire nor time.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 18 June 2020 16: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              To prove the obvious truths to different ... (the word that Schweik always called was automatically deleted) there is neither desire nor time.

              Rather, there is nothing else. Which causes the lack of arguments. And the lack of arguments causes "lack of desire" laughing laughing laughing
  • paul3390
    paul3390 18 June 2020 20: 05 New
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    That is, let’s say Comrade Stalin, whose legacy you, liberalists, haven’t been able to steal for 30 years - you weren’t convinced he was a communist ??
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 18 June 2020 14: 58 New
    +2
    So you are the agent of the State Department and Nuland ... - they will tell you. In order to turn you off psychologically and deprive the support of the population, such articles appear ...
  • Campanella
    Campanella 19 June 2020 22: 07 New
    0
    You're not right! I am a critic of Putin, but this is a personal matter for every citizen of Russia.
    But such shameless interference, Madame Nuland, I do not like, do not climb FIG when not called! Audacity second happiness.
  • Revival
    Revival 20 June 2020 01: 16 New
    -1
    Show who wrote it or you just .... . ...
    Although it’s clear
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 June 2020 11: 37 New
    +9
    Quote: Thunderbringer
    Very interested.

    Against the backdrop of Seattle and the rampant democracy in the states, it is even very interesting to hear what the "nulund, Abamo-Clintons" think about democracy in Russia.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 18 June 2020 13: 41 New
      +4
      What they think is understandable: there are no burning tires, there are no Afro-Russian protesters, riot police are not in a kneeling pose in front of them and sneakers are not kissing ... ergo, there is no democracy from the word at all. Negroes in Siberia to start, chtoli? Maybe the sanctions will be lifted right away ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: dzvero
        Negroes in Siberia to start, chtoli?

        They will die out from the frost like mammoths.
        1. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 18 June 2020 14: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine

          They will die out from the frost like mammoths.

          Let Africa die out from the heat wink
  • Far East
    Far East 18 June 2020 11: 42 New
    +1
    Well, I have a negative attitude to Putin! I am also an oppositionist !?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Far East
      Well, I have a negative attitude to Putin! I am also an oppositionist !?

      specifically can you explain what you are not happy with?
      1. Far East
        Far East 18 June 2020 12: 14 New
        0
        domestic policy! specifically!
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Far East
          domestic policy! specifically!

          what are you dissatisfied with in the internal politics of the state?
          1. Far East
            Far East 18 June 2020 12: 45 New
            -1
            am i in interrogation? it was clearly said (written)
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 53 New
              -1
              Quote: Far East
              am i in interrogation?

              why are you so nervous? Is there anything to interrogate?
              Quote: Far East
              it was clearly said (written)

              that's not at all clear! What is domestic policy?
              you do not like the heroization of the participants of the Second World War? You do not like the promotion of healthy lifestyle?
              1. Far East
                Far East 18 June 2020 12: 56 New
                -4
                go out into the courtyard, ask your friends! educational program is over!
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 06 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Far East
                  go out into the courtyard, ask your friends! educational program is over!

                  I dare to suggest that perhaps you don’t like that night comes day after day, and summer comes summer ... and perhaps you think that Putin is not doing anything on this issue ...
                  but, nevertheless, I would like to hear what you are unhappy with and your vision of the solutions to these grievances ...
                  1. Far East
                    Far East 18 June 2020 13: 14 New
                    +1
                    come to the Far East can see clearly ..
                  2. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 22 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Far East
                    come to the Far East can see clearly ..

                    we have a huge country! different climatic zones!
                    You can live in any part of our vast Motherland !!!
                    Want to be warmer? - Go to Krasnodar !!! 1KK - 2mln., 3KK - 3,5mln.
                    Real estate prices in the regions of the Russian Federation are approximately the same.
                    All in your hands !!!!!!
                  3. Far East
                    Far East 18 June 2020 13: 30 New
                    +1
                    You know, I’m a former sailor. where I was a lot. Yes, and the USSR ride some here and never dreamed of! no, I can’t stand the heat of heat! it's not mine! the prices are the same! this is serious! I will write so, do not write nonsense! come compare the price tag, and salaries! you will cry, laugh at the blast! please, hare! all!
                  4. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 15 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Far East
                    You know, I’m a former sailor. where I was a lot. Yes, and the USSR ride some here and never dreamed of!

                    Well, you answered all the questions !!!!
                    if desired, the sailor could earn money on an apartment / cottage / car without particularly straining !!!! and you had such an opportunity !!!!! but you buzzed this opportunity, and now you are waiting for the state to improve living conditions ....
                    you yourself are to blame for everything !!!!
                  5. Far East
                    Far East 18 June 2020 14: 29 New
                    -2
                    hear! could not, but earned! could buy RF in any region even for cardonas! do not count my denyuzhki! (if you wish, a sailor could earn money on an apartment / cottage / car without straining !!!! how many years! cottage, jeepar boat (Japanese) apartment, there were three women! everything is! I can (lift) you do not write! you are talking nonsense!
                  6. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Far East
                    cottage, jeepar boat (Japanese) apartment, there were three women! everything is!

                    then we return to the question: what exactly are you dissatisfied with?
                    especially since you have everything ...
                    I'm 40 years old.
                  7. Far East
                    Far East 18 June 2020 14: 58 New
                    -3
                    all! I have a granddaughter like you with questions, he is still small, and you’re 40. they chewed you in the comments here! EVERYTHING, HARE!
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: Far East
              You know, I’m a former sailor. where I was a lot. Yes, and the USSR ride some here and never dreamed of! no, I can’t stand the heat of heat!

              It is hard for a person born and living in one region to adapt in another, if you live in one country. Similarly, the conditions for the people need to be created the same.
            3. Far East
              Far East 18 June 2020 14: 38 New
              -1
              So! Vladimir region was born Kovrov. moved to Sovgavan. served the Ukrainian SSR Zhytomyr town. Lake. I live Sovgavan! any climate for the sailor, it’s dust for the sailor! satisfied? any questions?
        2. Sofa
          Sofa 18 June 2020 13: 34 New
          +1
          In order to earn 2 million I need to work at 11000 a month, do you think how much? You need to pay communal money from them, will you get to buy to eat, much remains ??? go into the hinterland and see how people live
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 18 New
          -2
          Quote: Couch
          at 11000 per month

          what do you work
          In which community do you live?
          What education do you have?
          what are your bad habits?
          what are your achievements in sports?
        4. Sofa
          Sofa 18 June 2020 14: 31 New
          +3
          Here the question is, no one is working with us where we have a moot in the country ??? if they don’t remember the memory of 12300 minus income tax. Where is the average salary of 31000 ??? people have worked all their lives. After the pension reform they promised a thousand a year, and they still haven't reached 8700. You don’t understand anything more than a blind deaf. By the way, half of my city goes to Moscow to work because there is no work for them
        5. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 36 New
          -3
          Quote: Couch
          Here the question is no one I work for

          do not go away from the answer !!!
          You wrote that you have sn 11000 ...
          it turns out you lied !!!!! you lied to discredit the top leadership of the country !!!!
          WELL AND WHO ARE YOU AFTER THIS?
        6. Sofa
          Sofa 18 June 2020 15: 39 New
          0
          I am a man and a patriot of my country, and who do you have a house accidentally is not abroad in the neighborhood of nulad))))) and why should I answer where I work, I can drop my passport data)))) whose will you be in those or those? ?? who are you by profession and so on, and what can a pensioner live for 9600 ??? do not write nonsense
        7. Sofa
          Sofa 18 June 2020 15: 44 New
          0
          My salary is like half the country’s 11000 and what is my profession is not your business
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Couch
      By the way, half of my city goes to Moscow to earn money because there is no work for them

      it means half of your city MOSCOW SALES !!!!!!!!
      Quote: Couch
      maybe we go to retirees who receive 8700

      there are no such pensions ... at least 9600 rubles.
      Quote: Couch
      people have worked all their lives

      and they ruined the USSR .... and they did not give birth to children ...
    3. Sofa
      Sofa 18 June 2020 15: 41 New
      -2
      Yes, no Moscow registration is not Moscow, but without it they don’t pay as much
    4. Sofa
      Sofa 18 June 2020 16: 12 New
      -2
      my grandmother gave birth to three children and worked all her life on a collective farm, and so until she died two years ago she received a minimum, I think that you insult Soviet pensioners and workers, you discredit Soviet pensioners and workers, and who are you after that ??? The standard of living must be raised in the country. And your nuland, etc. are not interested in anyone here in Russia, no one will listen
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 June 2020 15: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: NEOZ
    what are your achievements in sports?

    They forgot to write about religion.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 18 June 2020 15: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    They forgot to write about religion.

    it does not affect the material component. )))))))))))))))))
    and so, of course, I would ask)))))))))
  • Altona
    Altona 18 June 2020 14: 03 New
    -2
    Quote: NEOZ
    you do not like the heroization of the participants of the Second World War? You do not like the promotion of healthy lifestyle?

    ---------------------
    Participants of the Great Patriotic War like Krasnov and Mannerheim? Promoting a healthy lifestyle from Shnurov? And the cherry on top is the pension reform "to improve the lives of pensioners." With you, by the way, "piece" per month, if you are for such "internal policy".
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      WWII participants like Krasnov and Mannerheim?

      give examples of state heroization of these individuals
      Quote: Altona
      Healthy lifestyle propaganda from Shnurov?

      cords working in the state apparatus? cords is a conductor of domestic policy of the state?
      Quote: Altona
      And the cherry on top is the pension reform "to improve the lives of pensioners"

      Eugene, how many children do you have?
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 June 2020 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        Eugene, how many children do you have?

        ------------------------------
        I do not answer personal questions, especially since this is not the subject of discussion.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 19 June 2020 12: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        I do not answer personal questions, especially since this is not the subject of discussion.

        Well, if you think that children (future adults) do not participate in the formation of their parents' pensions .... then there really is nothing to discuss with you ....
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 18 June 2020 12: 52 New
    -1
    Dear Lawrence! Is it true that a person who looks like a photo of your avatar is credited with the following words - "We don't care what you do at night, as long as you don't indulge in Trotskyism ..."
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Is it true

      I do not know

      Quote: a.hamster55
      to a person similar to the photo

      what kind of ornate?
      in the picture: Beria Lavrentiy Pavlovich
      Since 1941, he was Deputy Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (since 1946, the Council of Ministers) of the USSR, I.V. Stalin, after his death on March 5, 1953, First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR G. Malenkov and at the same time Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR. Member of the USSR State Defense Committee (1941-1945), deputy chairman of the USSR State Defense Committee (1944-1945). Member of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR of the 7th convocation, deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the 1-3rd convocations. Member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) (1934-1953), candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee (1939-1946), member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) (1946-1952), member of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU (1952-1953). He was in the inner circle of Stalin. He was in charge of air defense and a number of the most important branches of the military industry, including all developments related to the creation of atomic weapons and rocket technology. Since August 20, 1945, he directed the implementation of the atomic program of the USSR.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 June 2020 12: 23 New
    -6
    Quote: Far East
    Well, I have a negative attitude to Putin! I am also an oppositionist !?


    Yes. But if you vote for the amendments, they will give a piece of paper. Indulgence is called. You can go back to a hundred ... society.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: sergo1914
      Indulgence is called.

      it is part of the European (Catholic) culture.
      in the Orthodox world there are no indulgences.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 18 June 2020 12: 44 New
        -2
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: sergo1914
        Indulgence is called.

        it is part of the European (Catholic) culture.
        in the Orthodox world there are no indulgences.


        Do you think that the administrative vertical in the Russian Federation is built according to Orthodox canons? Seriously?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: sergo1914
          Do you think,

          you give your speculation for my opinion ... this is a sign of manipulation ...
          now my opinion is:
          Quote: sergo1914
          The administrative vertical in the Russian Federation is built according to Orthodox canons

          Orthodox canons definitely influence decisions!
          Quote: sergo1914
          Seriously?

          Yes! I'm serious!
          Orthodoxy forms an Orthodox worldview, accordingly, an Orthodox person makes the world around him in accordance with his worldview ...
          it's that simple!
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 18 June 2020 13: 22 New
            -2
            Quote: NEOZ
            Orthodox man makes the world around him in accordance with his worldview ...


            Is this happening now near Yekaterinburg?
            PS Your avatar against the background of your messages just tears my brain.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 18 June 2020 15: 07 New
              +5
              Quote: sergo1914
              Is this happening now near Yekaterinburg?

              of course! people act in accordance with their worldview.
              Quote: sergo1914
              PS Your avatar against the background of your messages just tears my brain.

              very strange...
              I just described the psychology ...
              ps
              it is unlikely that the PL would deny the religious component in the Crusades, for example ...
    2. Far East
      Far East 18 June 2020 12: 43 New
      -2
      who said sho I will vote! where do you come back wassat
  • Far B
    Far B 18 June 2020 12: 26 New
    +2
    No. You are the Department of State and personally Nuland. As I. When will this bitch come to us to the north of the Okhotsk Sea and bring yashshik cookies and a jar of jam ?! Starved too.
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  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 18 June 2020 12: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: Far East
    Well, I have a negative attitude to Putin! I am also an oppositionist !?

    The entire Bandera Svidomo audience dreams of the departure of V.V. Putin, a change of government in Russia ... He hates Putin and our country ... I often read the comments of our "fighters against the Putin regime" on VO and catch myself thinking that the "observer "," no correspondent ", and in other Svidomo press the same phrases, expressions and phrases. All these expressions - "staples, putinoids", etc. coincide one on one ... It seems that our "communists", "liberals" work for one pocket ... Old Soros ... Svido sorosits ...
    1. Far East
      Far East 18 June 2020 12: 48 New
      -5
      Soros, my spine! call each other in the evenings! will go?
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        1. Far East
          Far East 18 June 2020 13: 00 New
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          yes! Go flashed! yeah, connected! everything is normal with the head!
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            1. Far East
              Far East 18 June 2020 13: 17 New
              -5
              No, I can’t offend me in such a period of stay here! there’s nothing to apologize for! hi here are selected offended! lol
        2. SVD68
          SVD68 18 June 2020 14: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: 30 vis
          Soros is the root of your ideologists ... And they are gradually. quietly pump people up with irritation, discontent ... Half-truth, lies, bribery. Work fine, work well ...

          So here they are, who turns out. Soros roots. All of these people are pumping people up with irritation and discontent: deputies of the State Duma from EP who accepted the increase in the retirement age, senators from the Federation Council who approved the increase in the retirement age, the president who signed the increase in the retirement age, Kiselyov and Zeynalov, telling how good it is when your pension is taken away, Sobyanin before the epidemic reduced medicine in Moscow and therefore put Muscovites under house arrest.
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    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 22 June 2020 11: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: 30 vis
      I often read the comments of our "fighters against the Putin regime" on VO and catch myself thinking

      all true!
      references to VOs are very often quoted on propaganda channels in a neighboring country.
      accordingly, a huge sailing couch from a neighboring country.
  • major147
    major147 18 June 2020 12: 03 New
    18
    Quote: Thunderbringer
    With such statements, our opposition immediately began to play with new colors.

    So, in addition to the obvious enemies of external and internal, there are in the country, to put it mildly, not distant people who for some reason think that it is worth "chasing" Putin and "Grace" will pour from heaven on them. Putin is not a gold piece, whatever everyone likes, and I have unpleasant questions for him. The more the West scolds him and wants to oust him, the more my support is for him. And as soon as I hear “down with Putin”, but I don’t hear “long live (Ivanov, Petrov, etc.), I understand whose ears are sticking out behind these speeches.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 18 June 2020 12: 05 New
    +4
    With such statements, our opposition immediately began to play with new colors.

    Not that word
  • antivirus
    antivirus 18 June 2020 12: 40 New
    0
    but I want freebies, 1 barrel, no two barrels and two barrels of jam, yes more.
    when will feed begin?
  • gig334
    gig334 18 June 2020 14: 24 New
    0
    I am against American democracy, but I do not support Putin. I am for socialism, for Platoshkin, for the Communist Party. So my opinion can not be changed, cookies from Nuland or flash drives from EP. I am for Soviet Russia
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 19 June 2020 18: 14 New
      0
      Why is American democracy bad? For domestic consumption, it is at a high level, but it does not apply to others, a double standard.
  • kupitman
    kupitman 19 June 2020 15: 06 New
    0
    but not only there, now our emo commies and socialist, Nuland now loves everyone.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 19 June 2020 18: 15 New
    0
    Are you sure that what you called is EVERYTHING ?! what Similar thoughts for the exam, as it is necessary to look carefully or read books for those who take a closer look. At least 2 more points were missed. But there is confidence that you can do it yourself. So that they themselves, either on the mind or before their eyes ... The 5th column, this ... is, and more seriously .. repeat Not in vain did the "partners" talk about them, but together with the external ones (they are also more attentive and they are right in front of your eyes and on hearing), this is serious ... hi
  • janeck
    janeck 18 June 2020 11: 34 New
    12
    a cry of despair from Ms. Nuland .. and the cookies ended, and Nemtsov and Kasyanov screwed up) you have to put all the aspirations and hopes of the liberals on Lyokha Navalny
    1. DMoroz
      DMoroz 18 June 2020 12: 19 New
      +8
      Lekha Navalny, "politically oppressed" by the criminal prosecution, is considering an invitation from 404 country to move to them. So this is not a very option either ...
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 18 June 2020 13: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Janek
      a cry of despair from Ms. Nuland .. and the cookies ended

      Give Nuland a hut in Razliv, feed him cookies, and let him write "theses" for himself. Until you turn blue.
  • Civil
    Civil 18 June 2020 11: 45 New
    -15 qualifying.
    No Nuland, choke on the cookie, but the Russian people will not kneel before United Russia and Mishustin. Why ask for this democracy, we are satisfied with what we have.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 12 New
      -1
      Quote: Civil
      Why ask for this democracy, we are satisfied with what we have.

      Do you have a claim to democracy? and what are your complaints?
      what are you not happy with?
      1. Civil
        Civil 18 June 2020 13: 45 New
        -2
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Civil
        Why ask for this democracy, we are satisfied with what we have.

        Do you have a claim to democracy? and what are your complaints?
        what are you not happy with?

        Are you, how can you ... we are satisfied with everything, a high standard of living, the best education and medicine in the world. Decent pensions. There is a long list - everything suits. That is unless the President should not be limited in terms of employment and taxes would have been raised.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Civil
          we are satisfied with everything, a high standard of living, the best education and medicine in the world. Decent pensions.

          what does this have to do with democracy?
          ps
          Vadim, why are you dissatisfied with the standard of living? - it is the highest in the CIS, at the level of Poland! ... or what do you mean by "living standards"?
          What is the best education and medicine in the world for you? Why do you think education / medicine in the Russian Federation should be the best?
          Worthy pension is how much? on what basis?
          ps
          you have no complaints to yourself? maybe you should start with yourself?
          PPP
          I can for free food / shelter / clothes ... but it's utopia ...
          1. Civil
            Civil 18 June 2020 19: 12 New
            -5
            I can for free food / shelter / clothes ... but it's utopia ...

            Not a utopia, the time will come, all this you will have, along with the number on the free sweatshirt.
            BARIN is pleased with everyone. Everyone, do not sweat.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 19 June 2020 11: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Civil
              Not a utopia, the time will come, all this you will have, along with the number on the free sweatshirt.

              Of course, utopia, contrary to the laws of nature (physics / chemistry).
              nothing appears out of nowhere !!!!!!!!
              remember this simple truth and the world in your head will be different.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 18 June 2020 11: 55 New
    +5
    You, of course, are interested. A 5-column in Russia listens to every breath that is madame. And to put pressure on Putin is a direct call for an uprising in Russia.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 18 June 2020 12: 05 New
    -1
    Quote: Sibguest
    Why write about her and her kind?

    Why are you so worried?
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 18 June 2020 12: 11 New
    +5
    Grandmother needs to deal with grandchildren and diapers.
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 18 June 2020 12: 14 New
    +9
    This is serious . We know where to beat .... Already we see boys and girls from Urengoy. The United States took up our future generation, youth. There is a huge gap in the upbringing and education of youth in the country itself. The future of Russia depends on how young people are brought up
    According to this Madame, act by the methods of the United States - as they arrest in any country and judge the citizens of the Russian Federation by their courts allegedly for crimes against the United States
    Consulate General of the United States in Yekaterinburg - Education and Culture
    https://ru.usembassy.gov/ru/education-culture-ru/
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 18 June 2020 13: 47 New
      +2
      .... The United States took up our future generation, the youth. There is a huge gap in the upbringing and education of youth in the country itself. The future of Russia depends on how young people are brought up ......

      They have long taken. Only the blind person does not notice it. Look at whom Mr. Navalny is attracting to his mass rallies: ignorant students, loafers, frostbitten (recent detentions in the Immortal regiment) and stray.
    2. Altona
      Altona 18 June 2020 14: 09 New
      -3
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Already we see boys and girls from Urengoy.

      ----------------------------------
      Usually in front of them come the boys from the St. Petersburg gateway.
    3. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 14: 45 New
      -1
      Well, yes, but the Tsar-Father does not know, and does not know, what is going on under him in Russia.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 18 June 2020 15: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: Sibguest
    Anyone at all interested in the opinion of this goat torn?
    These "torn goats" very skillfully play on internal problems, exacerbating them and exposing them in the most rotten light. The guys have already brought "democracy" to Ukraine, Libya, Iraq and many other countries - once quite successful, but now poor and torn apart by the war. And they will continue to hone their experience, and Russia is probably the main target for them. No matter how bad our government is, the arrival of Nuland fans will mean the collapse of Russia as a historical project and the physical destruction of a huge share of the population. And therefore it is quite worth listening to the words of Nuland, and using experience. For a start, it would be nice to support the protesters in the United States, tell the blacks how they are offended by the whites, and bring more cookies.
  • Looking for
    Looking for 18 June 2020 15: 55 New
    +3
    Fighting or not tearing, I don’t know. But in 2014 she fulfilled her task perfectly. Unfortunately, the result is obvious.
  • Motorist
    Motorist 18 June 2020 19: 55 New
    0
    need to communicate directly with the Russian people

    Quote: Sibguest
    Anyone at all interested in the opinion of this goat torn?

    No, well, the great and mighty will learn - let him talk to the people (maybe he will learn new words from people about himself). But while she is not up to the Russian language, she urgently needs to register for accelerated courses of Negro!
  • Berkut154
    Berkut154 19 June 2020 00: 08 New
    +1
    Dear, interested. It was this goat that was vna and it was not in vain fussing about. Now everything is put in order to denigrate the amendments to the Constitution. It is this demarche on the part of Putin that haunts them ... as soon as the amendments are adopted, the entire Central Bank will fly into free flight ...
  • Uncle Vasya
    Uncle Vasya 19 June 2020 16: 19 New
    0
    This is a serious article in a serious publication. And she shows the points where they will beat, and what they will condemn.
  • IvanT
    IvanT 19 June 2020 16: 30 New
    0
    It's like an old woman fart bombed
  • NF68
    NF68 19 June 2020 18: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Sibguest
    No more interesting people?


    There is an even more tattered goat named Jane Psaki, but she was somehow pushed into the background. Apparently, even for the Americans themselves, her statements are overkill.
  • HAM
    HAM 18 June 2020 11: 17 New
    +9
    "Democracy" in the United States has become so loose that they already have a president and no one can call him ...
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: HAM
      "Democracy"

      democracy in all its glory was when, at a referendum in the Netherlands, people voted against the association of Ukraine with the EU ....
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  • WILL
    WILL 18 June 2020 11: 17 New
    11
    Well now the grantosos have to wait for the packages with cookies!
    Practice - The team has already been given!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 June 2020 11: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Well now the grantosos have to wait for the packages with cookies!

      Now, the idea of ​​Nulandshi became clear, somewhere I acquired humanitarian aid with cookies, and now I’m thinking of someone to flush these cookies.
      1. Clear
        Clear 18 June 2020 13: 12 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Nulandshi, somewhere I’ve acquired humanitarian aid with cookies, and now she’s thinking of someone to flush these cookies.

        Not otherwise than the expiration date in this humanitarian aid
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Clear
          Not otherwise than the expiration date in this humanitarian aid

          Of course, humanitarian aid is all in arrears, and even acquired for free.
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 11: 18 New
    18
    Oh, Madame Nuland with her cookies drew herself. We’ll figure it out without her;
    I drank all night with the Russians. All night they poisoned jokes about Russia and neighing loudly. All night they convinced me that Russia is a country of bad roads and fools. In the morning, when I agreed with their opinion, they filled my face.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 18 June 2020 12: 45 New
      12
      The joke is as old as this world, but has not lost relevance. good
      The problem is different: when Russia lost to Japan in the Battle of Tsushima, having actually lost the Pacific Fleet, a large number of elites wrote a congratulatory letter to the Japanese emperor and congratulated them on the great victory.
      This is actually who the "liver" refers to.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        a large number of elites wrote a congratulatory letter to the Japanese emperor and congratulated on the great victory.

        This is what our entire "elite" consists of.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 18 June 2020 16: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is what our entire "elite" consists of.

          I think that not all, but, unfortunately, enough. In Ukraine it took almost 5 billion dollars to bribe them. But on Russia, I think the navel will tear.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 18 June 2020 11: 18 New
    +5
    Victoria Nuland, a former assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, spoke in an article in the American edition of Foreign Affairs.

    Neighing sholi? ha, ha, khe ... that's all.
    Shaw dumb sheep does not sit in his stable calmly? bake it? Well blacks there are tired of licking ....
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 18 June 2020 11: 22 New
      +2
      Well, like she has nothing to do with it?
      You yourself are fighting the regime.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 11: 28 New
        +3
        Who is engaged in the "fight against the regime" her audience ... although for her this is in the past, she has already been released for circulation.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Neighing sholi? ha, ha, khe ... that's all.

      I looked at the photo and thought that Victoria went to the "flea market" to trade bubbles.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I looked at the photo and thought that Victoria went to the "flea market" to trade bubbles.

        And there’s nothing more. Previously, at least she wore a striped flag, represented great friends of skakuas, and now she’s either bleat or go to the market.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 18 June 2020 11: 20 New
    +5
    According to Nuland, "Putin's arrogance and self-confidence" was largely connived by the United States and its allies, allowing "him and his henchmen" to violate arms control. adopt new military equipment

    This is super impudence! That is, they believe that they could NOT allow us to do this? Or really could?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Arzt
      This is super impudence!

      no it's not arrogance
      Quote: Arzt
      That is, they believe that they could NOT allow us to do this?

      of course! they do not allow trading in world trade for their currencies, only dollars !!!
      for trying to trade oil for their currency punishable by death.
      Quote: Arzt
      Or really could?

      could could, even like !!!
      how could stop SP2.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 June 2020 11: 20 New
    +5
    But Putin doesn’t even have to press on anyone from inside the United States — they can do it themselves.
  • dzvero
    dzvero 18 June 2020 11: 21 New
    +7
    Um, the United States did not turn out to be "monolithic and unshakable" either. Also, their task for 2021 will rather be - not to crawl at the seams ...
    PS What is going to put pressure - a push or in some other way?
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 18 June 2020 11: 22 New
    +3
    According to Nuland, "Putin's arrogance and self-confidence" was largely connived by the United States and its allies, allowing "him and his henchmen" to violate arms control, adopt new military equipment, and threaten the sovereignty of other countries by seizing their territories.


    The arrogance and hypocrisy of this American reptile is simply amazing.

    About the impudence with which the United States interferes in the affairs of other countries, violations of arms control and the sovereignty of foreign countries of this Nuland should first turn to the US authorities.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      About the impudence with which the United States interferes in the affairs of other countries

      Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 18 June 2020 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi


        The USA is not Gods, but simply insolent bastards.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 18 June 2020 11: 24 New
    11
    Nothing has changed since Churchill ...
    "Russia cannot be defeated by force, but it can be destroyed from within."
    Winston Churchill
    But those who pour water on the Nuland mill dohren ....
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 18 June 2020 11: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      Nothing has changed since Churchill ...
      "Russia cannot be defeated by force, but it can be destroyed from within."
      Winston Churchill
      But those who pour water on the Nuland mill dohren ....

      In one of the programs about the collapse of the USSR, Brzezinski happily tells reporters: we bought them. I have enough fingers on my hand to count whom we bought. Those who have real estate over the river, kids and loot are the first candidates for traitors.
  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 18 June 2020 11: 25 New
    +3
    Nuland offers to “put pressure” on Putin from within the country
    Let only cookies come from the beginning to dry, Paul Wilde can make up the company.
  • Pup1
    Pup1 18 June 2020 11: 27 New
    +4
    Worst aid for bulk and co. before the vote and not come up with .... are they innately restricted to the head there? Well, Finland is in Russia ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 18 June 2020 11: 28 New
    -1
    We will figure it out without it ... WHEN the people of Russia STOP believing in "Vote - do not vote, you will get it anyway ..." hi
  • Baloo
    Baloo 18 June 2020 11: 28 New
    +3
    we remember very well the "communication" of American democracy with the people of the neighboring country, which was once friendly to Russia, and how it all ended. And the photos of Mrs. Nuland, handing out cookies on the Kiev Maidan, went around the whole world. I will give one piece of advice: communicate better with your people, because while you go into the affairs of other states, your own country may cease to exist.
    good hi
    She herself will come to distribute the liver to Navralia and other fans of the late Fritz? wassat
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 June 2020 11: 31 New
    +4
    To put pressure on Putin and bring democracy to Russia, the United States and its allies need to communicate directly with the Russian people, who have been "living" under Putin's rule for twenty years. "
    spoke out Nuland.
    To distribute cookies and bubleks on the Maidan, this does not mean that it brought democracy to Ukraine, but it certainly brought a civil war.
    But talking about democracy in Russia, and even putting pressure on Putin, and even now, when the United States is ablaze with this democracy, can only be an alien. Now, for the next hundred years, the United States does not have the moral right to talk about democracy. Your train Victoria has left, and you are standing with a broken suitcase at the half-stop "I am standing at the half-stop, and trains are flying past the windows ....."
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 18 June 2020 13: 43 New
      +3
      The funny thing is that you are the person to whom Nuland calls out, it is you who must put pressure on Putin from within to undermine the country, what do you actually do every day on the VO ... wink
      Perhaps you are not doing this consciously, in which case you are being manipulated ... there are comrades on the site who directly perceive the words of Nuland and "turn on" people like YOU .. moreover, admins every day "turn on" people like you with provocative articles. ..

      It is ridiculous that after all this, the same admins write similar articles (although the author is different), thereby refuting their participation in the collapse of the country and fomenting discontent ... and you will be the extreme ones if Putin suddenly decides to use repressive bodies if that, because the admins hide behind the pluralism of opinions ... and you clearly spoke out .....
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 June 2020 14: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Nasr
        The funny thing is that you are the person to whom Nuland calls out, it is you who must put pressure on Putin from within to undermine the country

        Everything can and would be so if I lived in Russia. And for me, Putin, the best there is.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 18 June 2020 15: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Nasr
          The funny thing is that you are the person to whom Nuland calls out, it is you who must put pressure on Putin from within to undermine the country

          Everything can and would be so if I lived in Russia. And for me, Putin, the best there is.

          I assumed that most of the "fighters" with Putin do not live in our country ... but are actively campaigning ...
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 29 New
        +1
        Destroy the country by criticizing the mistakes of the governing structures, NOT! If these governing sanity are ....
        But licking them with sweet speeches and deceitful boast, only pushing for further error and as a natural result, loss and ruin of everything.
        Everything must be said if this is TRUTH! Praise for the case, scolding and punishing misconduct. This is normal.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 15: 21 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Ruin the country by criticizing the mistakes of governing structures

          you can get to the pillar.
          while criticizing you also need to offer an alternative!
          Quote: rocket757
          if it's true!

          everyone has their own truth ...
          Quote: rocket757
          Praise for the case, scolding and punishing misconduct. This is normal.

          the fact is that the case and misconduct can be connected!
          for example: case-laid aircraft carrier = misconduct-reduction of benefits and pensions.
          return: case-increase in benefits and pensions = misconduct-refusal to build an aircraft carrier.
          ps
          Ancient China (the leader of the ancient world) refused to build large ships, lost technology ..... and first lost its status as a leader, and then slipped to the colony level .....
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 June 2020 18: 25 New
            0
            Demagoguery can be divorced, even for quite truthful information ... I can, but I will not. Not interested.
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Nasr
        The funniest thing

        I agree with you on many of the conceptual points that you voiced!
  • knn54
    knn54 18 June 2020 11: 32 New
    +1
    "The United States and its allies should speak directly to Russians, especially young citizens who do not live in big cities." "
    For a cake, for a coin, he wants to remove a youngster.
    1. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 14: 50 New
      -4
      Naturally, this is the "appeal" of the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe not to the communists / socialists, whom they fiercely hate, but to what kind of enemies of the communists they are.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 18 June 2020 11: 33 New
    +6
    Americans, not fart. Nuland, hit in insanity, hey granny, better carry the blacks.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      Americans, not fart. Nuland, hit in insanity, hey granny, better carry the blacks.

      Well, in Ukraine it turned out .... do not underestimate the amers ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 June 2020 14: 13 New
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        Well, in Ukraine, it turned out ...

        ----------------------
        Did Russia somehow fight for Ukraine? Ukraine is not such a big state to be completely independent. Russia believed that "business relations" with Ukraine were sufficient. The United States felt differently.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 June 2020 14: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          Did Russia somehow fight for Ukraine?

          First of all, Ukraine must fight for Ukraine!
          Quote: Altona
          Ukraine is not such a big state to be completely independent.

          voice the parameters of a state that can be independent
          Quote: Altona
          Russia believed that "business relations" with Ukraine were sufficient.

          the leadership of the Russian Federation was in illusions
          Quote: Altona
          The USA, on the other hand, thought otherwise.

          their view of Ukraine turned out to be true ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 June 2020 14: 38 New
            0
            Quote: NEOZ
            First of all, Ukraine must fight for Ukraine!

            ------------------------
            At what plan? Understand one global important thing. Everything in this world is decided by the economy. Ukraine in 1991 was cut off economically, like other republics, from Russia. Russia, represented by Yeltsin, and then Putin, did not offer Ukraine a common economy and, on its basis, a socio-political model that could re-link Ukraine and Russia. If you use your thesis, then Ukraine is now fighting for Ukraine: it is creating its own language, its own history, its heroes. Whatever you want, she does. She should not fight for the Russians. You apparently wanted to demagogically wriggle out of your thesis, but in fact you said so "if you want Bendera, let there be Bandera, Russia doesn't care." Capitalism, unlike Russia, offers something - consumer goods, democracy, films and music as culture, the opportunity to fit into Europe. Of course, a lot is just tinsel, but nevertheless it is offered.
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              1. Altona
                Altona 20 June 2020 10: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Nasr
                And such statements confirm that you are the Nuland audience, and it is to you that it addresses. And you heed her .... Damn you!

                -----------------------------
                I ask you to be careful with insults. I can curse you too, the more you have written no less nonsense. I am not Nuland's audience, I do not use leftist slogans and philistine thinking, unlike you. What "Russia offered" there was easily leveled by Burkhalter, so take it easy. And we must pay tribute to Nuland, her arguments turned out to be stronger than the Russian army and its commander-in-chief, which did not affect the situation in any way, although it could well. I am not saying that a military argument could play a decisive role, but Russia remained behind the "backs" of the inhabitants of Eastern Ukraine. Official economic ties have gone into the "gray zone" and are feeding the oligarchy well on both sides minus the "social sphere" and everything that you wrote there.
            2. Nasrat
              Nasrat 18 June 2020 15: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Altona
              Ukraine in 1991 was torn economically like other republics from Russia.


              Delirium rarest !!! Until now, our economies are connected, after so many events, of course, relations have weakened very much, but the economy requires them to be restored, but there is also politics !!! And already in 1991 it was a single economy, with administrative borders, but a single ...
              1. Altona
                Altona 20 June 2020 10: 15 New
                0
                Quote: Nasr
                Delirium rarest !!! Until now, our economies are connected, after so many events, of course, relations have become very weak, but the economy requires them to be restored

                -----------------------
                Whose economy requires them to be restored? We have become American-centric countries, we have everything measured in dollars through the currency board. Let's give up the dollar and start from scratch, then we can talk about something.
          2. Altona
            Altona 20 June 2020 10: 17 New
            0
            Quote: NEOZ
            voice the parameters of a state that can be independent

            -----------------------
            There are a lot of parameters, but first of all, do not trump every international organization in exactly the same way as they require it. And we do just that.
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 18 June 2020 11: 34 New
    +3
    Boots learned to climb ???
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Tatyana Sementsova
      Boots learned to climb ???


      Apparently he wants to try a different color.
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 18 June 2020 17: 24 New
        +2
        Ha ha ha ha !!!!! I somehow did not think about it !!! laughing laughing
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 18 June 2020 11: 37 New
    +5
    Well, no, American "democracy" is not needed, we tried it, we know, we don't want to!
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 18 June 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    They think we have few "cops" introduced, we will kill all the blacks until the United States burns to the ground.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 18 June 2020 11: 48 New
    +5
    Granny cookies dried up nowhere to put? Let her Negroes eat. Although she herself gnaws, until her teeth are broken off in another way.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 30 New
      +2
      Someone shoves her on the barricades, it’s hard for her, but you need to feed ...
  • Ham
    Ham 18 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +3
    Nulandih broadcasts in Latin words ...
    bottom of the bottom ...
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Ham
      Nulandih broadcasts in Latin words ...
      bottom of the bottom ...

      And yet, Nulandikha will be the main Latin. Therefore, the opposite.
      But this does not change the "bottom of the bottom".
    2. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 29 New
      +2
      Quite the opposite ...
      Nulandih broadcasts in Latin words ...
      bottom of the bottom ...
  • Slavs
    Slavs 18 June 2020 11: 55 New
    +7
    In Ukraine, in due time, work with the people began with grants for small-town media. Result on the face.
    Just did not take into account that we do not like the United States even more)
    Insolence does not occupy Mrs. Nuland)
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 12: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Slavs
      Just did not take into account that we do not like the United States even more)

      will be taken into account ... and corrected ... do not underestimate them ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 June 2020 14: 28 New
        +2
        That's for sure, you shouldn’t rest ...
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 12: 14 New
    +2
    Also, problems are added by low oil prices and the coronavirus pandemic, which will lead to a fall in the Russian economy.

    That is, exactly the same, one to one is true for the United States in the first place. And about solidity and about impudence with self-confidence and about interference in other people's affairs ...
    "Stop the thief!" ©
  • Sly
    Sly 18 June 2020 12: 15 New
    +2
    For the good of things! smile
  • Goblin_1974
    Goblin_1974 18 June 2020 12: 20 New
    +3
    I want to see the reaction in the media to the distribution of cookies to the protesting blacks Zhirinovsky and Zyuganov. Well, or a Navalnyashka with a bag in the crowd.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 June 2020 12: 20 New
    +3
    Let your aunt look outside. Or see the local news release.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 18 June 2020 12: 23 New
    +8
    She needs to pin down the turtle with tics, and not put pressure on Putin. We will figure out what is more important and more necessary for us.
    P / S- Fly over the Nulland singers, minus.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Nyrobsky

      P / S- Fly over the Nulland singers, minus.


      Something they are tired today or are busy in another topic, "work".
  • 1536
    1536 18 June 2020 12: 26 New
    +5
    It is clear with the Americans that they receive money for espionage, subversive and terrorist activities against our country. In this case, our task is not to let ourselves be deceived a second time by all these heralds of "perestroika 2.0" from abroad, as well as the pack of "hungry and offended" inside the country, "wishing to break Russia along the Ural ridge." Unless, of course, we want to lose our country again.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 23 New
      +2
      And according to this, it is necessary to stop radically all the creeps from their intervention.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 June 2020 12: 27 New
    +4
    It's time to start helping the Republic of Capitol Hill in Seattle.
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  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 18 June 2020 12: 29 New
    +4
    Nuland decided to splash slops in the trough of pigs.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2020 12: 39 New
    +3
    Victoria Nuland
    Whatever the American woman (you cannot call it otherwise) in politics and power, the hawk is intoxicated by Russophobia. That Madeleine Albright (the bombing of Yugoslavia), Clintonsha (the joy of killing Gaddafi), that Condoleezza Rice (black Russophobia), that Nuland was sending obscenities to Europe and running across the Maidan.
    The challenge for the United States for 2021 will be to lead democracy around the world.
    You first build democracy in your own country, and then try to lead something. Soon you will kiss Condoleezza shoes, and there you will overthrow the power in Russia.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      No, they can only export democracy, but not very ...
  • Clear
    Clear 18 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    who
    Nuland: Putin's arrogance ...
    ой repeat who knows the story of how Nuland, at the age of 23 years, worked with Russians for eight months on a merchant ship, and she learned how to ideally use certain vocabulary in several languages
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Clear
      Nuland, at the age of 23, worked with the Russians for eight months on a merchant ship, and she learned how to ideally use certain vocabulary in several languages


      What does this give her?
      1. Clear
        Clear 19 June 2020 10: 15 New
        -4
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Clear
        Nuland, at the age of 23, worked with the Russians for eight months on a merchant ship, and she learned how to ideally use certain vocabulary in several languages


        What does this give her?

        Do not see the logs in your eye
  • iouris
    iouris 18 June 2020 13: 12 New
    +1
    Sharikov: "Crushed, crushed, crushed, crushed ..."
    This will continue as long as the crushers are "financed" and live well.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 19 New
      +1
      Not like Sharikov is not necessary, better than Zheglov ...
  • signifera
    signifera 18 June 2020 13: 13 New
    +1
    Well, and so, then she says everything correctly, everything is for sure, everything is so. Here, well done, to a point. Another thing is that if you succeed in pushing and pushing, then I think it will not get better. So we will not give in. So then we will hold out for some time, and after their cookies, the khan will immediately come to us.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Signifer
      So then we will hold out for some time, and after their cookies, the khan will immediately come to us.


      Well, as long as we live, it is definitely not up to her to decide, but after a cookie, the meat grinder can definitely begin.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 33 New
        +3
        We are just HOWEVER, we won’t hold out! Only forward movement, even better, faster development ... and this should happen in everything, in society and in the country in general.
        You cannot endlessly endure on the old groundwork, because the world is developing and countries in which the leadership of the country, people cares, develop at the same pace!
        Who did not have time, that just might cease to be!
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 June 2020 14: 36 New
          +1
          On the old backlog, you can’t endlessly endure


          You can’t argue with this, you must be guided by this, otherwise they will pass by the rink ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 39 New
            +1
            Some themselves subsided under that rink and don’t tweet ... hope for sho ???
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 June 2020 14: 40 New
              +1
              First, they disperse it, and then under it ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 45 New
                0
                It is possible ... yes, they will also pay for washing the unit, which will get dirty about them.
                On what this madhouse rests, it is no longer possible to explain ...
                1. cniza
                  cniza 18 June 2020 14: 50 New
                  +3
                  There are several points:
                  - I really want to eat, but not very much to work;
                  - To spite grandmother frostbite ears;
                  - to drive Putin away;
                  - banal stupidity.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: cniza
                    banal stupidity.

                    Ha, there’s one bo about a great stupidity, which is stuck in shaken brains.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 57 New
                      +2
                      As summarizing all the points yes. yes
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 June 2020 15: 01 New
                        +1
                        In that nogogu-mogul, more than one thought will not linger.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 18 June 2020 15: 03 New
                        +2
                        But they all hope that now they will heal for glory ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 June 2020 15: 06 New
                        +1
                        Fortunately for them, this thought did not linger on them for a long time, and the number of expectations that did not come true was even torn by the pots with which they tried to preserve the state of integrity of the head.
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 18 June 2020 15: 44 New
                        +2
                        And nevertheless, those become in a new line for the same cookies ...
  • From Germany
    From Germany 18 June 2020 13: 23 New
    +3
    What was there about "interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign state"? This ......... (extremely stupid woman) has lost all the shores.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 15 New
      +1
      She drowns Democrats before the election, not understanding this, Trump can skillfully play her article.
  • Freedim
    Freedim 18 June 2020 13: 25 New
    +3
    Her cookies are moldy ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 14 New
      +1
      Yes, and those were gone, only Wishlist.
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 18 June 2020 13: 46 New
    +3
    This granny has not been seen for a long time.
    What is she counting on?
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 13 New
      +1
      Of course for a rematch ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 June 2020 14: 01 New
    +2
    Naive Nuland thinks that someone will bite on her pies and buns. There is one such country in the world. And we know her ...)
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 13 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, not one ...
  • DeKo
    DeKo 18 June 2020 14: 01 New
    +1
    Let her continue to make experiments in Ukraine
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 12 New
      +2
      They robbed her of the right to experiment, now so far she can only advise ...
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 18 June 2020 14: 02 New
    +3
    The whole world needs discord in Russia because of our complete, periodic table,
    One thing is bad, degraded young generations can take a cookie
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 12 New
      +1
      About 2% are not averse to tasting ...
  • DeKo
    DeKo 18 June 2020 14: 06 New
    0
    By the way, at one time, Nuland, along with Poroshenko and Johnson and someone from Georgia, demanded to put pressure on Putin and force them to accept refugees from the Third World
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 14: 11 New
      +1
      The crush came to naught ...
  • cniza
    cniza 18 June 2020 14: 10 New
    +3
    The challenge for the United States for 2021 will be to lead democracy around the world and jointly develop a more effective approach to Russia. It must be based on the advantages of democracies, and in its implementation it is necessary to put pressure on those
    Putin's pain points where he is most vulnerable. Among other things, these are his own citizens


    You would go about your business and not stick your nose wherever you hit ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      You would go about your business and not stick your nose wherever you hit ...

      They really have plenty to do with their affairs ... only their polypticum and the organs that they fill live in another time, in other circumstances! They set fire to the hut, and a little bit of water in the well, because they did not bother to clean it before, but give them the whole world on a silver platter, give them a chance to steer more and more !!! A madhouse that never leaves from there.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 June 2020 14: 39 New
        +2
        They are now being taught shoes to lick from blacks, and what will happen at the next stage is not even convenient to imagine ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          They are now being taught shoes to lick from blacks, and what will happen at the next stage is not even convenient to imagine ...

          And it's cool. Now everyone .... will be buried in gilded coffins? Schaub black on gold looked more epic?
          1. cniza
            cniza 18 June 2020 14: 47 New
            +1
            Yeah, they will soon canonize him and will pray, today they are already baptized in his name, completely collapsed ...
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  • cheburator
    cheburator 18 June 2020 14: 15 New
    +2
    Stupid stuffed! It is better for her to put pressure on her sore head, there will be less stench. And your cookies are sick. Eat your shit yourself, hohloholopov to help you!
    Putin is our President, my pride! We are Russians, God is with us!
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 18 June 2020 14: 48 New
    +2
    Blacks to help you Mrs. Nuland.
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 18 June 2020 14: 54 New
    -1
    But we won’t succumb ... We will choose another 3 terms and keep this system for another 50-70 years ... Who cares? Why print it here? Who needs to figure it out.
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 18 June 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    I don’t know what Nuland said there and whether she spoke at all. But the Russian people have no chance to get out of the current colonial paradigm .... Well, we are neither able to think, nor fight, nor lose our rights, there is no internal strength ... I think robbery is forever, to the uttermost trash.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 18 June 2020 15: 29 New
      +2
      And you do not speak for the Russian people. It is you in the colonial paradigm, it is within you. You are not able to think, you do not have internal strength, I agree. How is it in Ukraine?
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 19 June 2020 11: 17 New
        +1
        In Ukraine, it’s normal. Been there several times in recent years. The people live the same way as in our province. No worse. What surprised me extremely (how to manage our richest country so that it lives like Ukraine, which has no resources) ... A default is not planned there ...
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 19 June 2020 11: 37 New
          -2
          Who has no resources? The USSR left these imperfections industry at the level of advanced countries, they extracted a bunch of minerals: titanium, coal, gas, iron ore, etc. In Ukraine, excellent land. The potential of Ukraine was higher than in Russia. What should be d .... to ditch such a country. A default is not planned there, as the patient is kept under the ventilator system, they give a loan in order to pump out resources longer.
          Before you write your garbage, check what is the cost of Russian gas and oil, look at the share of mineral revenues in Russia's revenues and can stop carrying your Ukrainian nonsense?
          I live in the province (Tula region), the average salary is at the level of Kiev, in our region there are neither minerals nor chernozems, but the industry is not killed as in Ukraine. We have VVRP as in the Dnipropetrovsk region (2nd place in Ukraine), and the population is 2 times less.
          So, Misha don’t speak for Ukraine, live there and don’t bring nonsense.
          1. Comrade Michael
            Comrade Michael 20 June 2020 22: 54 New
            0
            Why do I need to live in Ukraine, I live in Moscow and get much more than in Tula and Kiev, but there are friends here who get 5 times more than I do, and consider all those who receive low-value unnecessary people and by the way they are ardent supporters of the authorities .... And here is what I noticed in Kiev, the streets are asphalted no worse than in Tula, and the trolley buses look newer than in our province, and yes, they are made in Ukraine. By the way, the rolling stock of the railways and the condition of the stations in Belarus are better than ours in Russia. Everything is licked, there are new compositions, no worse than ours. And that is characteristic of wealth, there is also zero.
    2. cniza
      cniza 18 June 2020 16: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Comrade Michael
      But the Russian people have no chance to get out of the current colonial paradigm ...


      Everyone decides for himself, if you are there, continue to abide, but do not speak for others. You don’t want to go to vote, you don’t want to raise your fifth point and earn a decent life, you want everything to be given to you, and at once ...
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 19 June 2020 11: 19 New
        +1
        Lord, what nonsense you write ...))) Yes, maybe you live well in our impoverished and backward country (what can I say). But I’m not going to walk and take part in the buffoonery that authoritarian irremovable power suits. That's for sure.
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 June 2020 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Comrade Michael
          Lord, what nonsense you write ...))) Yes, maybe you live well in our impoverished and backward country (what can I say). But I’m not going to walk and take part in the buffoonery that authoritarian irremovable power suits. That's for sure.


          I’m only talking about yourself and about yourself, and not for everyone and continue to live in a backward country, this is your right.
          1. Comrade Michael
            Comrade Michael 20 June 2020 22: 42 New
            0
            Yes about yourself. Not about you. Since I don’t know you, I don’t want to know either.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 18 June 2020 15: 10 New
    0
    However, she emphasizes, within Russia itself an atmosphere of "doom and skepticism" prevails, to which Putin "does not pay attention."


    It's hard to disagree with her ..
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 18 June 2020 15: 27 New
      +3
      Have you tried to work, study, create a family, take care of her? So sit on the couch, scribble your posts and whine.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 June 2020 16: 22 New
        0
        He believes that all this should be given to him immediately, upon the fact of birth, that’s what he earns here for cookies ...
      2. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 20 June 2020 22: 58 New
        0
        Is that for me?))) What kind of nonsense? I have everything. And who are you for me to whine? Uncle from the province ...? Change your tone ... I'm not your friend.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 21 June 2020 19: 58 New
          -1
          Comrade Mikhail Miracle, you are a beggar in a poor country, haven't you written this? Noah further.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 18 June 2020 15: 26 New
    0
    This ... one country has already bought for "cookies", let it try to bring democracy to the United States and Western European countries. The lip will crack.