Information on the Government of the Russian Federation considering tax increase for the rich is discussed online

The network is discussing information that the Russian government allegedly returned to the topic of consideration of the issue of tax increase (PIT) for the rich. This information was published by several media at once, including Forbes. At the same time, press representatives refer to unnamed sources in the government and the State Duma and "close to the government and the State Duma."

It is stated that the issue of differentiating the tax approach depending on the income of an individual is being discussed. In particular, it is pointed out that the discussion was supposedly held back in January of this year and at the same time, dozens of different options have already been highlighted.

Sources say that for wealthy citizens the personal income tax rate can be raised to 15% from the current 13.

In this regard, the question of who exactly in our country is considered to be rich is discussed. This issue is also relevant in connection with what, in an interview, Russian President Vladimir Putin called the middle class Russians with an income of 1,5 minimum wages (about 17 thousand rubles a month). If you are guided by such a school, then “rich” in power can be called any person with a monthly income of more than the specified amount ...

However, the media, citing all the same unnamed sources, reported that as the rich they can designate citizens of the Russian Federation with incomes of 2 (or 3 - from other sources) million rubles a year.

It is noted why the idea of ​​raising the tax rate for the rich decided to return to the government after the “January theses”. The government is deciding on the measures to be taken in connection with the growth of the budget deficit. According to the estimates of the economic bloc of the cabinet of ministers, according to the results of 2020, the budget deficit may reach 4% of GDP, and revenues will decrease by 4 trillion rubles. In this situation, the government has hopes for rising hydrocarbon prices and new taxes.

We will remind, earlier Mikhail Mishustin stated that there will be no introduction of a differentiated scale of taxes.

The network, discussing this information, notes that it appeared in the media a few days before the vote on amendments to the Constitution.

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[Mavrikiy]

Information on the Government of the Russian Federation considering a tax increase for the rich

Well, with a coronavirus and a wool shred.

[Svarog]

The network, discussing this information, notes that it appeared in the media a few days before the vote on amendments to the Constitution.

Discuss not the first year .. and another 10 years will be discussed ..

[unaha]

Pan ataman has no gold reserves, he had to spend money before the amendments and the virus baked ... Therefore, given "Russian President Vladimir Putin called the middle class Russians with an income of 1,5 minimum wages (about 17 thousand rubles a month)", so they will add personal income tax. .. And "rich people will find a way to evade anyway" ...

[Lexus]

At the pan of the chieftain, the gold reserve was mute, I had to spend some money before the amendments and the virus got it ...

When I first looked at Mishustin, I immediately remembered one "lupaty" character. Tokmo today, in contrast, specializes in scanning pockets.
An excerpt from the movie "Viy" (1967)
Homa is a people, and evil is power.

[vadim dok]

There was a proposal to consider the rich to be with an annual income of 1,5 million rubles, that is, about 120 / month. Damnably rich, real Aligarchs.

[Rzzz]

"rich people" will bring a certificate that they have paid taxes in the Bahamas. here it seems like this is possible.

[Alex Justice]

It is high time. We have more than 40 percent of the rich pay.

[Far B]

Yes, figs, I think. As Donja Trump used to say, fake news. According to official sources, there’s silence, but they would have tackled such a topic - I’d probably like to love people on the eve of voting

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Yes, they do not want anything for a long time, they "love" us silently and tediously, without any love. Methodically and sadly.

[Lexus]

Yes, they don't want anything for a long time, they "love" us in silence

They sing in the shower.
Excerpt from the movie "The Adventures of Buratino" (1975)

[Alexey from Perm]

so they PR and say does not mean to do

[hydrox]

This is a carrot for a donkey before the elections :: "Promise is not the same as getting married!"

[Starover_Z]

Quote: hydrox

This is a carrot for a donkey before the elections :: "Promise is not the same as getting married!"

"Discussing in the government" - xA-xA-xA ((((
They (at the top) clearly make decisions only on increasing all kinds of surcharges and the amount of wages themselves! And which of them will subscribe to the increased percentage of taxes from themselves, loved ones? I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

[Civil]

Sources say that for wealthy citizens the personal income tax rate can be raised to 15% from the current 13.

So they will raise everyone, GDP said that the middle class is 17.000 rubles a month, respectively 25 a month are already prosperous burghers.

[Vadim237]

An official salary of up to 17000 and more does not mean that a person is poor, since most of the employers and workers themselves hide real incomes.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Vadim237

a large part of employers and workers themselves harbor real incomes.

The topic of control over COSTS is currently being worked out. Roughly speaking, all purchases are more than, say, 1000 rubles, you can make either by card or in cash, but with identification by electronic card. That is, for each citizen, the state will have clear information on how much it spends. And if he spends more than the amount with which the tax has been paid, there will immediately be questions.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Civil

Sources say that for wealthy citizens the personal income tax rate can be raised to 15% from the current 13.

So they will raise everyone, GDP said that the middle class is 17.000 rubles a month, respectively 25 a month are already prosperous burghers.

Are communal apartments and prices at least taken into account in food? Moreover, 17 r is meant "dirty". And what will be left after the deductions ?!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Well, with a coronavirus and a wool shred.

Not a single wool yet. Only some kind of muddy statements by unnamed sources and not the first.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, here I am a rich man! Finally! Recognition came in the fifth ten! True, looking back at my wealth, I think that it should look different ... But since the "top" said a rich man, it means a rich man !!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But once the "top" said a rich man, it means a rich man !!

Above said:

However, the media, citing all the same unnamed sources, reported that as the rich they can designate citizens of the Russian Federation with incomes of 2 (or 3 - from other sources) million rubles a year.

Or do you consider 166 000 - 250 000 per month a low income? And you do not consume a lot of fish soup?
A progressive tax should not be either 13% or 15 ... The tax increase should be tied to the size of incomes, and in our country it is safe to classify among the rich those whose incomes exceed the minimum wage by an order of magnitude. And you can rest as much as you like.
Want to not be considered rich? Make a minimum wage of 30 rubles, as advised by the VVZh.

[mitroha]

So here, unfortunately, we are not talking about tax with a progressive rate. Speech, as I understand it, is simply about, more precisely:
О DO NOT increase personal income tax for people with income below a certain

[freddyk]

Quote: Mitroha

So here, unfortunately, we are not talking about tax with a progressive rate. Speech, as I understand it, is simply about, more precisely:
О DO NOT increase personal income tax for people with income below a certain

Naturally. The tax will be the same for people with income
2 million per year and .... per day. There are famous citizens with incomes of a few lyamas per day, I think they will be most outraged by the extra 2 percent)

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

Progressive tax should not be either 13% or 15 ...

We already went through this in the 90s. Income tax less than, say, 3 million will be 13%, for that part of the income that is higher - 15%. They can then add another level of increase. Despite the income differentiation that is being discussed today, a maximum of 15% of working citizens will fall by 2%, according to banking analysts (and today they probably have the widest database), 0,9% in general.

[Cympak]

Those who make really huge money, i.e. tops of large companies and state corporations have the opportunity to optimize their payments and evade the new tax. Most likely, they will be deliberately left with a "goose" in the legislation. For example, with taxation of dividends or blocks of shares received in the form of annual bonuses or options

[hagen]

Quote: Cympak

Likely.......

What is your assumption based on?

Quote: Cympak

For example, with taxation of dividends

The legislation defines what is considered income and what payments are deducted from taxation. Will they change something? Maybe ... This is someone we will choose in the Duma ... so they will accept the laws.

[72jora72]

Or do you consider 166 000 - 250 000 per month a low income? And you do not consume a lot of fish soup?

This is in my opinion you have something to eat. For example, I live in Chukotka, and my family spends about 100-130k per month on food, without any frills (at a price of 350 potatoes, 800 tomatoes, 450 kopecks). Now have you made me rich?

[Vadim237]

It will be much cheaper to produce all the products and other things in place to grow and produce goods than to carry thousands of kilometers.

[Crane]

It will be much cheaper to grow all products and other things on the spot.
========
In Chukotka and grows there? If the current is in greenhouses, m.

[cat Rusich]

Vadim, who forbids the development of agriculture in the Far East? - Khabarovsk, Primorsky, Kamchatka Territories, Sakhalin Region. or "blue blood" does not allow digging in the ground. To cut down the forest, wash gold, catch a crab - everyone wants to. I hope potatoes and other vegetables ripen in the Far East? - or is it "more interesting" to carry food from Moscow? Chukchi can supply venison ...

[Cympak]

If you count at the rate, then 166 thousand rubles = 2,4 thousand US dollars, 250 thousand rubles = 3,650 US dollars. Those. by international standards, not so much.
The average monthly payout for professions in the US is:
surgeons - $ 20;
intensive care unit nurses - $ 5;
accountant - $ 4;
Mobile Application Development Specialist - $ 5;
programmer - $ 6;
lawyer - $ 6;
driver - $ 2;
financial analyst - $ 5;
cashier - $ 1;
computer designer - $ 3;
builder - $ 3;
elementary school teacher - $ 3 1600;
a teacher in a secondary school - $ 3;
higher education teacher - $ 3;
interior designer - $ 3;
manager - $ 5;
nanny - $ 2;
electrician - $ 3;
welder - $ 3
.
Those. We have problems with the level of salaries in Russia. Rather, the gap between the salaries of workers and top managers.

[Motorist]

Quote: Cympak

elementary school teacher - $ 3 1600

Well, since there are no engineers on the list, then you have to become an elementary school teacher ("a thousand days", however!).

[Ryaruav]

September 13 is a single voting day, and ratings will stir

[Pilot]

It is, only this is yet another fraud, an imitation of justice in response to the demand of the socialists to introduce a progressive tax. Well, what is the + 2% tax for the rich, your beloved? About nothing

[hydrox]

From such promises, neither the voting rating, nor anything else can rise in any way - the body does not reach the necessary hormonal level, even though all Pussy will dance naked with him along with all the dancers of Russian stars!

[Pilot]

So these penny promises are even at the rumor level. The Plyushkins still can’t agree with their own toad, the same cabinet with Mishustin will go to this same two-percent income porch, asking for alms, Impoverished.
But the people were immediately taken away from the people by the pension reform, and even the pension savings were shook up, and here even the wretched ones scream for pennies from their barns.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Pilot

So these penny promises are even at the rumor level. The Plyushkins still cannot agree with their own toad,

Comrade, the thing is that it’s much easier to manage the poor, and if the poor are still illiterate, then a piece of bread and a sight.
Simply, ebnism has not disappeared, but mimicked Putinism, and the essence remains the same - to steal and rob.

[Rubi0]

So let every half a year then make the vote

[AUL]

And every time it is reset? No, by the forest!

[rocket757]

Information on the Government of the Russian Federation considering tax increase for the rich is discussed online

They used to say that there is no smoke without fire! So the Internet proved to us that it happens, WITHOUT FIRE!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

So the Internet proved to us that it happens, WITHOUT FIRE!

The law is populist, and it won’t really give anything to the budget ... The budget deficit is temporary, and it will be covered from the NWF.
This is if it is common sense. And if "politically", then yes, of course, it is absolutely necessary ... It is important to win the vote. Which one? On amendments? Everything that is needed has already been won. The government has a lot to do, IMHO.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This is if it is sensible to reason.

When the authorities, those who are eager for power, need something concrete, it does not skimp on promises.
Nothing new, it’s everywhere ... and people buy something, like everywhere else, as always.
Why is this happening ... on the part of the authorities, everything is clear there , but on the other hand, most often it’s not at all clear but happening!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

Nothing new, it’s everywhere ... and people buy something like everywhere else, as always

So there is not much to buy for. Will they raise personal income tax by 2% from those receiving 250 per month or more? How many are there? In fact, on a national scale - a penny ... would have been raised to 30%, or to 35, as in "Fink" ... To really howl ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

To really howl ...

We have whose power?
Well, they can offend their own ... they will start to tear the last skin from others completely, they’re so used to it.
This is simply capitalism, underdeveloped, not matured to a mature level, when, from time to time, people start thinking about the "soul"!
Something like this.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

This is simply capitalism, underdeveloped, not matured to a mature level, when, from time to time, people start thinking about the "soul"!

Well, is this mature capitalism? If the USSR had not existed, workers would still live in barracks ... we broke their business with a "bad example"! And power has nothing to do with it ... when you are POWER, you always have enough ... there are, you see, ways. Special services, special distribution centers, special dining facilities ... special hospitals, in the end ... Why do they need money, in general? This is what DESTROYED the USSR, IMHO, not at all ... to Gorbachev. Injustice, the people were clearly aware of it. The privileges of the nomenclature to which she held on with her teeth.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Oh well, is capitalism mature?

any system goes through the development stage, if it is not complete garbage, stillborn. capitalism has existed for a long time and gradually modernized, in accordance with the development of man and society. It does not become more humane, but the external gloss, the smoothing of some particularly sharp corners occurs, otherwise he would not have survived to this day and did not remain attractive to very, very, many.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

There would be no USSR

It is right. There would be no example of the USSR, the capitalists did not bother very much with all sorts of modernizations of their relations with the working class ... always noted so. Forced concessions, nothing more.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And power has nothing to do with it ...

Power is an expression of the Wishlist of the ruling class ... it has nothing to do with it.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

not at all ... to Gorbachev. Injustice, the people were clearly aware of it. The privileges of the nomenclature for which she held her teeth.

Yes, the people and the party ... they were not united in the end. That’s why they flew by the way, by the way, the people most of all, because they forgot how to solve their problems, to build their own life.
Well it continues now !!!

[hydrox]

Quote: rocket757

capitalism has existed for a long time and gradually modernized, in accordance with the development of man and society.

There is a small flaw in your reasoning: you are considering capitalism as a global phenomenon with a history and a mass of modernizations carried out at the behest of time and the degree of development, but this is not so.
In Russia, we have thieves' capitalism, thieves capitalism, capitalism, tightly fused with power and our happiness that our power is loose and has no structure, no common ideology, monolithic bureaucracy with the oligarchy in the presence of a third force-threat - the siloviki.

[rocket757]

Quote: hydrox

There is a small flaw in your reasoning:

There is no reasoning true for everyone and always ... even among professionals who have devoted a lot of effort and years of study to a certain topic. My opinion, purely amateurish, couch, I do not pretend to the truth.

Quote: hydrox

You are considering capitalism as a global phenomenon with a history and a mass of modernizations carried out at the behest of time and the degree of development, but this is not so.

It has long been the dominant system of economic ........ Just to assume that this is an economy does not work. He himself is like an economist. the system is not being modernized, but its influence on the rest of the lives of people is great, precisely because the dominant system has multiple external attributes that undergo changes over time.
In general, I do not want to smear porridge on a plate, everything has been discussed and known for a long time.
We have the same SYSTEM, only not willing to take on obligations to the country and the people ... it has not matured, as it is gritting! These rules must be created, adopted and driven into the SYSTEM by force ... although, after all, the system can be "simply" broken.

[hydrox]

Well, as you want: I did not minus you ...

[rocket757]

Non problems. Cons do not recognize at all.
Breaking spears where experts have their own opinions ... where do we go.
Everyone takes a point of view according to their own understanding, preferences. This is normal,

[hydrox]

And the population does not need them to howl: the population needs jobs with decent wages, and that health care becomes a "protection", not a "burial."
And take away from Potanin Norilsk Nickel, while he had not yet made there a second Sayano-Shushenka.
And in the form of a cherry on the cake, to take an attentive look of a statesman on the socio-economic situation in the country and get a finger to rectify the situation immediately: don’t give a boom if the amendments fail, the authorities will have at most a year to correct the situation in the country, and you need to be completely silent to determine which tararam can happen ...

[rocket757]

Quote: hydrox

But the population does not need to howl:

And the "population" is fully aware that if HIM HAS LOST, then it has arrived at very specific individuals, and not at someone else, somewhere around the corner of the hiding!
Well, we have victims, future victims, the exam! but the rest, many may well add 2 + 2, and it turns out they don’t have 7 andes 8, somewhere, like that, but quite a 4!
To take away and share, not so many people now offer, and even less listen to them, BUT, SOCIAL JUSTICE, others AS MUST, most understand correctly and unambiguously!

[hydrox]

Victor, please understand the difference:
1. The ruling liberda has an IDEOLOGY: "Steal and appropriate!", Be it private or state property, and they use these opportunities with might and main, while completely ignoring the concept of "social justice".
2. The people also have a vague ideology of "survival" and they live according to it, but when the patience is over, the protective borders of "social justice" for the liberda will also end, so they will not be able to use this justice (nonexistent !!).
3. And never again think that the State Duma is the Assembly of People's Elects. Not at all! This is a meeting of representatives of the oligarchy (the shadow governing body of Russia), executing legislation in the interests of the oligarchs, therefore, nothing worthy and joyful can be expected from this gathering.

[rocket757]

Quote: hydrox

And never again think that the State Duma is the Assembly of People's Elects.

Never, the term "people's choices", except in quotation marks, I do not use ... there are no illusions for a very long time. And about POWER in general, for a long time and there is a clear definition - it is the body expressing the interests of the RULING CLASS. Everything is clear and understandable.

Quote: hydrox

The people also have a vague ideology of "survival" and they live by it

"survival" is not an ideology, it is primary instincts.
The people have no unity and organization, which is precisely the interests of the people that can represent and defend. It is not in vain that society, the people, were torn to various parties, movements, etc., controlled by the RULING CLASS. So everywhere. There are small foci where still something popular is warming, but the upper ones IT poison, equal in full, if you can not take control.
All this was not born yesterday and the methods are the same everywhere. It’s just that impact technologies have changed a little, but the essence is the same, SHARE and POWER!

[hydrox]

I can’t agree: where is it seen that the population of Russia consists in parties and movements?
We are atomic now more than ever!

[rocket757]

I agree that not many can be lured into real membership in parties now!
Let's put it another way ... sympathizing and voting for a particular party purposefully, constantly.

[hydrox]

And there are very few such LLCs: or are these people dependent (medical staff, teachers, military, villagers, students ...), party members approximants and members of their families - that’s probably all.
And the rating of such elections is drawn - everyone knows.
And sympathizers are also a liberda, of which only 10%.

[rocket757]

In general, how many people, so many opinions ...
Our village constantly votes for ONE PARTY!
I already described why this happened .... yes, under the reporting bureaucratic nomenclature we have a little more than a dozen people, but with all the desire they can NOT change anything. By the way, the turnout we always have more than half the inhabitants, plus summer residents almost the same.
Still, the chairman of the commission lives in the neighborhood and doesn’t care at all for that, he can’t get the residents to vote for someone who needs someone ....
such a trick, such as DISABLING GAS, will not work with us.
Here is such a fairy tale, such miracles.

[hydrox]

Thank you, it was nice to chat.

[Rubi0]

They shout that all wealth belongs to 10%, then you don’t want to lose tax on them ...

[Woodman]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The law is populist, and it won’t really give anything to the budget ... The budget deficit is temporary, and it will be covered from the NWF.

It is planned that additional revenues from increased fees will not be directed to the budget, but will be directly used to pay to the poor.

Actually, they are not planning for the budget yet.

[hydrox]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The budget deficit is temporary and will be covered from the NWF.

They will not cover it: there is nothing to cover with, if the NWF is empty for more than half, and let Boh, so that I have enough for another year to retire - there is nothing to cover the NWF deficit !!!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: hydrox

They will not cover: there is nothing to cover with if the NWF is empty more than half

Where is the whistle coming from? Can I have a reference?

[hydrox]

Ah, the whistle !?
This 120mm flew in!
The 152mm sound is different ...

[CSKA]

Quote: hydrox

Ah, the whistle !?
This 120mm flew in!
The 152 mm sound is different ..

But in fact? Where did you read that the NWF is half empty?

Quote: hydrox

and let Boh, so that I have enough for another year to retire - there is nothing to cover the deficit of the NWF

Do you know how many foreign exchange reserves and how much oil?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: hydrox

there is nothing to cover the deficit of the NWF !!!.

And what is the "NWF deficit"?

[hydrox]

A deficit is the inability to satisfy financial power "wishes" in full for at least 2 years, the corona virus has become too expensive for us.
And as for the whistle, it is better to end the old Soviet March 8 joke about the telephone congratulation of the chief: "Who says this !?" - "Yes, everyone says!"
With a deep sense of joke ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: hydrox

Deficit is the inability to satisfy

The NWF is a small pill into which it poured hydrocarbon revenues, removing them from economic turnover. It existed for these cases ... how can there be a deficit in it? Until it ends, they will spend ...

[hydrox]

And it will end - from what will the budget holes for social programs be closed? And taking into account the absolutely disgusting international situation and generally kirdyk!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: hydrox

the corona virus has become too expensive for us.

As of June 1, 2020, the NWF was $ 171 billion, which is 10.7% of GDP. It can be concluded that the volume of the NWF is fully restored. Statistics are open, on the website of the Ministry of Finance. Well, minusers, fire !!!

[hydrox]

This amount of smoke without fire, arranged taking into account the weather conditions in military affairs is called a "smoke screen" - it turned out to be frankly liquid, but it's a pity ...
Nobody will now be interested in the tax on the rich, if people are more interested in jobs, and pension guarantees.

[begemot20091]

Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov did not know that the State Duma had rejected the bill introducing an increased tax for people with earnings over 24 million rubles a year. About this Peskov said in the course of communication with reporters, according to RIA Novosti. He said that he was not aware of this topic and did not know whether the Duma would return to this agenda in the near future. On the eve of the bill, it was recommended that the committee on budget and taxes be rejected, and the bill once again did not reach the discussion in plenary. The issue of introducing a higher tax for the rich has been discussed in Russia more than once. Earlier, the Minister of Economic Development of Russia Maxim Oreshkin said that it is now impossible to introduce a progressive taxation scale, a deep analysis is needed. The Minister is confident that due to the large concentration of rich people in the capital, taxes to the Moscow budget will rise sharply, and in the regions they will drop. First, it is necessary to reduce the level of income differentiation in society and the level of poverty, at least partially eliminate social inequality. One of the proposals was an increase in taxes on expensive cars and real estate.

Source: https://www.solidarnost.org/news/peskovu-ne-soobschili-chto-gd-otklonila-zakonoproekt-o-naloge-dlya-bogatyh.html
The central trade union newspaper "Solidarity" ©

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Talking !!!! They say they milk chickens in Moscow !!! Before voting on revisions, we will hear a lot about "talking" ... Let's see what "forget" about after voting.

[wicked pinnochio]

so can tear with the rich and 70 percent

[mitroha]

Quote: wicked pinnochio

so can tear with the rich and 70 percent

It is possible, but then even what is being paid will cease to be paid

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

A typical excuse. Even in America, Al Capone was seized for Faberge in that total corruption and tax mess for taxes, but we can’t do it at all. Let the crumbs pay. What kind of nonsense are you talking about, mitro.

[mitroha]

What nonsense are you talking about, Mitroha.

Be careful with expressions.
We have the most malicious non-payers of communal apartments and fines with taxes, by no means the poorest people. And they have incomparably wider opportunities to "optimize" the payment of taxes through connections and greater opportunities to maneuver.
When 40% of the tax was introduced in France, do not remember how the rich got out of there, including Depardieu, who became a citizen of Russia. They simply changed their citizenship and started paying taxes where it is profitable. It will be the same here.

[depressant]

Ripping off the wealthy 70%, angry organized very wealthy. Serious, well-paid destabilizing actions within the country will follow, and capital outflows will intensify. Having ripped off a little from the unorganized middle class (150 - 250 thousand is the salary of a decent programmer), they are publicly promoted. There will be no destabilization, since the very rich% will not particularly notice. Only slightly increase the tension in the lower layers of the middle class, which the government is quite ready to withstand.

[AU Ivanov.]

Exactly. It is enough to ensure 100%, or almost 100% tax collection and no differential tax is needed.

[your1970]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Exactly. It is enough to ensure 100%, or almost 100% tax collection and no differential tax is needed.

-truble is that tax gives less than 20% revenues to the budget .... they do not pay taxes and lawyers and physicists all the time
Z.Y. FCS gives the budget about 60% .....

[hydrox]

The country doesn’t need at all that there are no rich people (you can take off more than one skin!), But the country absolutely needs to not have the poor in it, who are now almost 70% populated by almost XNUMX% of the population!

[Vadim237]

According to official statistics, only 20 million of them 12 million are working, no other statistics are available. And 70% of the population is poor - you yourself have invented it.

[hydrox]

The smart ones, having heard this, do not even remember the Rosstat with a kind word, but they tense up and quickly begin to count, summing up pensioners, minors and workers along with employees.
Quickly estimating the amount received to the total population of Russia, they begin to yell that the figure is underestimated.
Sorry that I offend the smart ...

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Well, if 35 tr middle class, then apparently from 45 tr begin to remove the tax on wealth)

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

17 middle class, so said the great.

[hydrox]

It was in this case that the Great would prefer to keep silent ...

[Rubi0]

Read the article to the end of the brain boiling? Well, don’t complain that you get 15000

[rotmistr60]

media representatives refer to unnamed sources in the government and the State Duma and "close to the government and the State Duma"

These "unnamed sources", but always "close to the government," in fact, turn out to be an ordinary invention of individual media representatives to raise their profile and bring confusion into the heads of readers. Wait and see. Although the tax really rich need to raise.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Earlier, Mikhail Mishustin stated that there will not be a differentiated tax scale yet.

I nevermind to all of us, not the tax on the rich !!

[Malyuta]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

I nevermind to all of us, not the tax on the rich !!

A fig for us is too much, for us an air tax.

[Ross xnumx]

An interesting progression ... Here is an article on personal income tax in different countries:
https://visasam.ru/emigration/vybor/nalogi-v-mire.html
In the EU, Poland is looked askance because the tax on the rich is 32% there ... The VAT was increased by 2% and the oligarchs were also "decided to slander" ... How long?

[pmkemcity]

Information on the Government of the Russian Federation considering tax increase for the rich is discussed online

What tax on the rich should they come up with so that they can pass it on to the poor?

[mikh-korsakov]

Firstly, I think that our billionaires will not notice an increase in personal income tax from 13 to 15%: production for the treasury is minimal. and howling from their lackeys in the media will be a lot. What then is the debate about? In spite of everything, I am personally an optimist. Secondly, the appearance of a pair of Belousov-Borisov in the government allows us to hope that the leadership will finally turn to face the real sector. Thirdly, there is a crisis and a weakening ruble. However, the Central Bank did not raise the key rate as they did before.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

In spite of everything, I am personally an optimist. Secondly, the appearance in the government of a pair of Belousov-Borisov gives hope

Personally, I, in spite of everything, do not care. I can’t pin hopes on any members of the government under the existing economic structure (I will repeat until blue in the face: there cannot be three deer and one hundred wolves in the forest). Among other things, I am suspicious of those who floated to the surface (at the top) in the 90s, not only because in Soviet times they came to be known as “dark horses”, “gray mice” and “pale moles”, but because all of their “outstanding activities” brought and benefits in narrow circles of people divorced from the real life of ordinary people.
All of these are doctoral and doctoral theses of which are being defended at the HSE; all these awards and honor for unknown deeds and merits; all these “parties” against the background of poverty and lack of rights; constant lies and deceit of voters - scuffing maggots on a corpse. No matter how much they depict their activity, he will not rise. In any case, this was not observed in nature.

[hydrox]

Mikhail, you may think that some results can lead to a turn of the leadership to the real sector - this is your right, but the team will NEVER get positive results if it does not turn to the PEOPLE (if only to his Wishlist at least somehow coincided with the Wishlist of the people, or at least with popular approvals).
Without this, all their plans will be dummies.

[mikh-korsakov]

Dear Hydrox! In my understanding, leadership will turn to face the people when any working person can earn his own labor according to his abilities and reasonable desires, that is, as a neighbor. This is the alphabet. But all the trouble is the amount earned. Someone can work in the sweat of the face and get little according to their abilities. much less than he and than the person who woke up late, having a shower and drinking a cup of coffee, would browse the Internet and make successful speculation, if not guessing, then nothing too, because he had downloaded one hundred apartments in the nineties - well, he would sell one and little things. Until now, our state has been entirely on the side of speculators, even though you are Putin, even though Rasputin doesn’t matter, speculators had real strength. They brought the country to a pen - but it became clear that it was no longer possible to steer like that. They began to receive lyuli even from Poland. I had a hope that it dawned on them, the instinct of self-preservation played a role. Why. Firstly, because at last they removed from the economy the mediocre DAM, put the person. who in his post managed to achieve. They introduced the Belousov-Borisov tandem into the government, and these are people who share Glazyev’s ideas. So what. Verification The viral crisis has begun. At other times, the Central Bank would raise the key rate to such heights that it would be impossible to get a loan for the development of production. But this did not happen, but they were even going to reduce it. And this means that loans will become cheaper. Production will begin to develop. This will lead to job creation. Then the state will turn to face the people. No other way.

[hydrox]

Dear Michael!
Once again, looking through your post, I could not understand what is so uncomfortable in it that engages me - today it came to me: you and I are wrong (as we would say in our times "arbitrarily and voluntarily") we use the term "leadership", and we do it mismanaged and irresponsible. at different periods of time in the life of Russia as a state.
At the very beginning, when no one yet knew WHAT the parliamentary disputes, quarrels, reflections and battles would end (when we did not yet know that there was a revolution (or is it a "counter-revolution"?), We continued to believe that the country was ruled by some leadership entrusted by the people to govern the country. And you and I, like the last suckers, were convinced that everything was going on the right path, if suddenly, like a devil out of a box, our new Constitution did not appear out of nothing, followed by a string of new Legislation, from the content of which we are with you, those who were already at least a little grounded in at least some legal sense suddenly and suddenly realized that a revolution had taken place and this was done in a classically correct way, including the attitude of the people to property, in particular in relation to housing, the right to which was transferred to us free of charge and forever.
But this turn was made so competently and beautifully that no one even understood that it was an unconstitutional coup, when overnight the property of the people became the private property of thieves. And the Constitution, according to which we live today, legally consolidated this coup, but the leadership of the country has remained the same and HOW do we continue to live with this thieves' leadership - it is completely incomprehensible.
And we don’t have to say to us that we are choosing this power: no, it chooses itself, attracting us to this process as extras, however, something needs to be done with this injustice, since power is illegitimate today, i.e. not ordained by the people to rule the country.

[mikh-korsakov]

Hydrox. Here I read your post. I agree in many ways. Especially in how gracefully the transformation of a great power into an American colony, ruled by a thieves' kagal, was carried out. In principle, no one understood anything, except of course those who started the whole thing. I will refer to my experience, I have no other. In December 1991, I was on a business trip to the United States. I'll make a reservation right away that our mission had nothing to do with either politics or economics. We implemented our technology on the cyclotron at the Massachusetts General Hospital. Yes, such was the Soviet economy that it was an ordinary event then. Therefore, our social circle was simple people - cyclotron engineers - good specialists without any politics. Well, one morning Bmll Buchelevich came up to me with a newspaper and said, "Michael, you don't even know that now you live not in the USSR, but in the CIS." Well, in the CIS, I thought so in the CIS - because before that there was so much debate about renaming the USSR that it even became easier - it was finally renamed. I disagree on one thing. The people are not involved in the ordination. But what about the feat of the defenders of the White House, the heroes of the 6th company, the march to Pristina, and the expulsion of NATO from Crimea? The authorities see this and play it. For me, there is nothing wrong with an authoritarian government. it is important who the dictator is - a genius or. But in a democracy, a leader is ALWAYS creepy, and often.

[hydrox]

Amazing!
Michael, we are talking about the same thing, using almost the same vocabulary and calling into question the same things.
For myself, I think this is an extremely rare occurrence.
Thank you.

[Karaul73]

Income up to 17000 poor,
With 17000 middle class, 2000000 wealthy. And from 17000 to 2 million - is it WHO? What wording will come up?

[Gardamir]

What wording will come up?

so come up already. These are socially responsible entrepreneurs who cannot be crushed by taxes.

[hydrox]

And whoever froze such stupidity - can this person be trusted?
After all, the social function of an entrepreneur is to make a profit, used by this entrepreneur to ensure the life of his family, while sharing a part of this profit with the state in the form of a tax - and he owes nothing more to anyone and these duties were never assigned to anyone paper and announced in the media.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sentry73

And from 17000 to 2 million - is it WHO? What wording will come up?

Accidentally Surviving Coronavirus Infection.
The point is not in inventing names, but in the correct calculation of wages. The point is not in appropriation of the lion's share of income, but in the provision of funds for each employee in accordance with social justice.

[hydrox]

"Accidentally survivors" - very good, continue sculpting!
Maybe if we are lucky, you have enough for the dictionary.

[your1970]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Sentry73

And from 17000 to 2 million - is it WHO? What wording will come up?

Accidentally Surviving Coronavirus Infection.
The point is not in inventing names, but in the correct calculation of wages. The point is not to assign the lion's share of revenue, but in providing funds for each employee in accordance with social justice.

in us 90-e there was a former state farm. The director received conditionally 200 - workers received 000 (absolutely conditional figures to understand the difference in salaries). The farm paid wages on time, you could buy cheaper products at the expense of s / n, they gave a lot of straw and hay to pensioners for free ... he was running around the house like a housekeeper, everything worked like a watch ...
Worked until 2004 ...
The people stuck that he had a huge salary and they re-elected him, I won’t lie; I don’t know the nuances (TKH felts, LLP felts or JSC) - in general, they kicked him out of the heads.
After a year and a half, even the office building was dismantled, no NOTHING.... The people went to him in deputies - they say "come back !!!". Refused ...

That state farm did not have social justice under him - there was paid work on time ...

Now there is neither social justice, nor work, nor that director (died by age), nor those hard workers who wanted social justice - they rotate around the country on shifts

[Vadim237]

From 17000 to 2000000, this is precisely the middle class. But it is better to count from 50000.

[anjey]

It is high time, just not to discuss but to do, despite the demagogy of opponents broadcasting that this tax supposedly destroys the middle class.

[Old partisan]

This power will NEVER do this.
For us, hundreds of different taxes.
And for these NI- NI

[Altona]

Tax on the wealthy? Come on? This is where the robbers set taxes for themselves? Ordinary citizens will be declared rich and they will tear this tax. They also take taxes from us supposedly "to improve our own lives." You can discuss anything, instead of actually doing something and doing something useful for people.

[parusnik]

We are all rich .... as it turns out later ...

[Qwertyarion]

So you immediately, there must be at least some intrigue .....

[Zaurbek]

Like a tax on luxury, it gradually drops to non-premium cars.

[Zaurbek]

Would be engaged in offshore and spending of state-owned companies ....

[Ross xnumx]

Yes, everyone who cares about it speaks about it:

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[Zaurbek]

And so, pure populism.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Zaurbek

And so, pure populism.

And so:

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"Populism."

[Avior]

. note that she appeared in the media a few days before the vote on amendments to the Constitution.

Is there any connection here?
Right before the vote, unknown sources threw pleasant news to the people.
And then they forget about it, so then the demand from unknown sources ........

[sergo1914]

Can it just trick officials? And then they are no longer placed in the administrative buildings of Soviet times.

[Vadim237]

They will come to this as soon as the digital economy is launched - one window minus dozens of officials and a bureaucratic rubble of paper.

[evgen1221]

Another election throw to test the reaction of experimental rabbits. We go through this every year. And in the ending silence. Where do we live? Toto, figs you respected experimental Russians.

[Shuttle]

The budget should not be filled with taxes on the super-rich. These people have the opportunity to turn to competent lawyers for help in avoiding taxes.
The budget must be filled at the expense of a large number of low taxes on the production of goods of high processing, i.e. goods with a high share of surplus value. Those. need a new industrialization of the country.

[Altona]

Quote: Shuttle

low taxes on the production of goods

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Better tax on the sale of goods, so as not to burden production. In general, the tax system is a very big and sore subject, affecting the structure of the state. Under one system, the state will be federal (30-50% to the center), and under another, it will be unitary (50-70% to the center).

[Zaurbek]

And we must distinguish: trade-production, these are different things and should be relied on differently. Profit now migrated to retail chains.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Shuttle

low taxes on the production of goods

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Better tax on the sale of goods, so as not to burden production. In general, the tax system is a very big and sore subject, affecting the structure of the state. Under one system, the state will be federal (30-50% to the center), and under another, it will be unitary (50-70% to the center).

It is necessary to fight not with sales, and not for sales, but with the marketability of production. This is where the mortal needle of capitalism is located.

[aszzz888]

So that they themselves will charge higher taxes? There is no such nature, at least in Russia.

[Gardamir]

The main thing is that you go to vote, and there you can forget your promises. Only you do it first, and we'll see. Rake jumping is not our sport. In the morning, a tax on the rich evening vote and not the other way around.

[Was mammoth]

"Time to scatter and time to collect stones."
For "cookies" and promises from Vladimir Vladimirovich during "self-isolation" will have to pay, however. Now, they just think after July 1st ....

[signifera]

That is, if I, nevertheless, was able to break through state barriers and earn something, I must be taxed. It turns out that they even have no theoretical ideas for the development of the state, and when the taxes reach 100% in total, they will start to take us apart for parts? There will be nothing left to take. Yes, and aspiring to zero himself is not dumb to talk about the middle class from 17000r? This is 378 liters of 95th gasoline, that's all. For me, this amount (17000) just does not starve to death and go not in the best shoes and clothes from sales. One can’t even talk about any purchases such as a car, an apartment, good household appliances. Around are solid taxes, taxes on taxes, and taxes on top. 20% VAT is more than sufficient; everything else should be canceled. And they are above and above ...

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Signifer

That is, if I still managed to break through state barriers

and get, for example, a contract for the construction of the Crimean bridge. Increasing estimates by an order of magnitude. That, of course, with such blood and then (whose?) Earned money to fight the increased tax is simply immoral.

[signifera]

Here, I think it’s already a matter of structures that ensure security and order in the state. But it’s not ours, they do one thing))) But the law should be the same for all, 13 means all 13. These guys will not be removed from the top at the top, but they will easily cut hair from those who have grown rich from salaries. So whatever they invented and did, it would be better if they didn’t do anything at all. If top-level officials promoting new initiatives just came for the RFP and did nothing, it would have been better, even if they received a bonus every month. I would also put the very question of this bridge under a thorough investigation when it’s time to build such projects in the whole country, I don’t have to drive around the city, it’s time to put tracks, there are no roads at all, rubble pits in the city with one and a half million. I have to go to this bridge 35 days by train, I don’t need it at all, and the majority of the country's population do not need it, many who will never see it in their life. But through the small river in front of the Yakutsk bridge there was no, and no. In autumn and spring, when the ice has melted or has not yet risen, hovercraft and helicopters, the situation is more critical there. But who needs it, do not show off in front of partners and neighbors.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Signifer

But there must be one law for all, 13 means all 13

It is strange that the most developed countries have not reached this point.
For example, in the USA, the income tax rate with income growth grows from 10% to 39,6%, and progressive scales in the EU countries are generally a nightmare and horror, the complete suppression of any entrepreneurial initiative. For example, in Germany the maximum rate is 53%, in France - 47%.

[Vadim237]

The whole country is in ruins - speak for yourself and for your place. As for the bridge across the Lena in Yakutsk, you don’t need to decide whether this project is needed, it’s being built for the residents of Yakutsk, and how can it be built, it will come to your rivulet as regards roads except concrete and primers in such conditions it makes sense to make asphalt pavement either which is not one winter and the khan of the entire cover. Or wait until they create such road material that can withstand swings from minus 70 to plus 60 and will not be subject to destruction due to the cyclic melting of permafrost and soil movement.

[signifera]

So it’s not for you to decide what I think is necessary and what is not. As for asphalt in winter - part of the United States and Europe are in similar climatic conditions, but after 2 months after its laying there it does not disappear - maybe it is not in winter? We don’t have drops from -70 to +60, and it’s wonderful, otherwise we wouldn’t be there already. We also do not have permafrost. Failure of the ground under the road happens, but I think this is due to violations and economies during construction, there are no rainfalls or elementary ditches, where the rain has passed or the snowdrift has melted, there will be water until it dries.

[your1970]

Quote: Signifer

But through a small river before Yakutsk there was no bridge, no.

- you started for health, but then

Quote: Signifer

As for the asphalt in winter - part of the usa and europe are in similar climatic conditions,

Please poke me with your nose in that place on the map in Europe - where in winter at least -40???? about -50 I won’t even ask ...

[Vadim237]

"We do not have permafrost" - I agree that we have temporary permafrost that has already been there for millions of years, but it is not eternal and it will melt and already conceal - for clarity

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: Ragnar lodbrok

17 middle class, so said the great.

yes, mixed up, average salary and middle class, but in any case I don’t know where to laugh and where to cry

[Soko]

Usually, those who have fallen from the cage begin to rob. The rich are no exception

[Glory1974]

for wealthy citizens, the personal income tax rate can be raised to 15% from the current 13.

I listened to the question of "Echo of Moscow" (sometimes I do it so that I know the paid traitors).
On a blue eye, they say that the authorities are generally morose, and they are trying to take money from those who work and earn, in contrast to the lazy ones. And by introducing a tax on profits from bank accounts, the government takes money from those "unfortunate" who can save money in our country. The general message is that someone else should pay, but not the one who has the money.
In general, the impression is that both Echo of Moscow "and the officials of" EdRa "who talk about" macaroshkas "for the people, about alcoholics who receive pensions less than the subsistence level, are all at the same time.

[alexmach]

Putin called the middle class Russians with an income of 1,5 minimum wages (about 17 thousand rubles a month). If you are guided by such a school, then “rich” in power can be called any person with a monthly income of more than the specified amount ...

this is where all taxes on the "rich" usually end.

[Maks1995]

It's just a vote on the nose.
Passes-wabber-forget.

[Slavs]

Yes, they will not introduce ... Not the mentality of the newcomers ...

[Comrade Michael]

It will not be this. Why should they tax themselves ??? Where is the logic?

[Vadim237]

They will not introduce it - but on deposits of more than a million and withdrawable amounts abroad 15% tax has been introduced.

[And why do you need]

Progressive taxation - how much in this word ... our unfulfilled hopes. And now this phrase again appeared in the headlines, but there is nothing to rejoice about.

Forbes: “The government is discussing tax increases from the wealthy. As one of the options, the introduction of a progressive scale of personal income tax is being considered: a tax for those whose incomes exceed 2-3 million rubles a year can raise up to 15%. ”

Well, everything is as usual: power plays populism, and the main tax blow will be dealt to the domestic “middle class” (an extremely conditional term in Russian realities). Real capital holders in Russia have long been worried about offshore: $ 20-30 billion annually is withdrawn from the country in the form of “direct investments” abroad. Siluanov’s office blocks this initiative: “The position of the Ministry of Finance is as follows: if the increase in the tax rate is small, then the additional revenue from the change in the rate will be small, but administration will be difficult.” Nothing new: the arguments are repeated in the style of “the budget will not get anything, the rich in us are not so rich as to make a cash register, a progressive scale is not needed, boo boo boo, boo boo boo ...” About not taxing a tax of individuals with an income level in the region of a living wage is mentioned very casually - apparently, this is not a priority part of the discussed amendments.

And while they did not manage to raise taxes, the rich Russians are very actively buying property in Europe. The situation became so absurd that “the Cypriot authorities prepared to tighten the requirements for investors who want to obtain citizenship of the country. Applicants for passports will be more stringently checked for involvement in money laundering and will be able to more easily deprive citizenship if they have violated the law. ”

[VicktorVR]

"Mom, dad, two children" ...
4 * 17 = 68tyr per family. With an average RF of 35tyr, it just turns out that on average we have 1,5MROT.

[fif21]

Does anyone else believe these nonsense? With retirees and the elderly, they can only fan their fingers apart.

[musorg]

Look at the tax in the developed countries of the West, for example France, and don’t tell my old slippers!

[Vadim237]

Such a practice as a trial should be started with companies whose net profit for the year will exceed 500 million rubles - 20% if the bar slowly works normally.

[16112014nk]

Mikhail Mishustin stated that there will be no introduction of a differentiated scale of taxes.

But to raise VAT and introduce a tax on interest on deposits - "like two fingers on the asphalt!"

[senima56]

It is high time! Just why 15%? With a minimum wage or, say, a salary of 20 thousand do not take income at all! And in that above 200 thousand let 25% (some politicians offer 50% !!!)
Those. if the salary is 250 thousand, then from 200 -13%, and from 50 - 25%! Right?

[Esaul]

If you eliminate the oligarchy and remove Putin’s billionaire friends from all lured places, then you won’t have to get any taxes. These parasites now suck up 80% of all income from the country. Only Rothenberg has an income per year more than the budget will receive from this tax increase.

[akunin]

the conversation was about a 2% increase (up to 15%), they can’t decide on the amount either from 7 mln. or from 10 mln. on July 2 they will say that this is not advisable, because. it is very difficult to inspect (all over the world they can - it’s difficult with us).

[Esaul]

2-3 million a year - rich? Yes, it's just funny! This is the usual middle class, the rich are those who have such a salary per month.

[petrol cutter]

"Let us remind you that earlier Mikhail Mishustin said that there would be no introduction of a differentiated tax scale yet."
Well, it won’t, it won’t.
I already eat one vermicelli with stew.
"According to the estimates of the economic bloc of the Cabinet of Ministers, by the end of 2020, the budget deficit may reach 4% of GDP, and revenues may decrease by 4 trillion rubles. In such a situation, the government has hopes for higher prices for hydrocarbons and new taxes."
Apparently soon I will eat, without stew ...
"In this regard, the question of who is considered rich in our country is also being discussed."
That, consider me. Since I’m eating stew.

[musorg]

Just 2% and years of discussion! Yeah .... and I could say, but the words are all over.