Military Review

Bloody truce. Donbass is on fire again

60

Mutual Losses



As expected, the abolition of the regime of increased combat effectiveness in the LDNR did not at all mean a decrease in the combat activity of the parties. Sadly enough, the number of shelling only intensified: the vaunted truce lasted only a few hours. However, as in previous times. This, by the way, what in a row? It seems to be a three-digit number.

Ukrainian media write about a level of shelling that has not happened since 2015. Apparently, the promises still turned out to be a reality, and the fighters of the LNR People’s Militia were allowed to open fire in response to provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This information was confirmed by the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin (by the way, the head of the DPR Leonid Pasechnik is not so frank).

“If we say that over the past year Poroshenko killed four people and 55 were injured, then during the year of Zelensky’s rule, 6 people were killed, 73 people were injured, and most recently, five children. This is really a question that is constantly on our agenda, which we are obliged to resolve, and, of course, with the help of our army, the people's militia. That is, I believe that the decision we made is absolutely correct: the order of combat readiness was “complete”. Why? .. Now at this stage we can say that the situation has not yet been stabilized, it has returned to the period when the positional confrontation is underway. But again, despite the abolition of that level of combat readiness, our servicemen have orders for return fire. That is, the firing points of the enemy, which will shoot at the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, will be destroyed ”,

- said Pushilin.

The slaughter continues


Of course, the official channels of LDNR traditionally report only pleasant news, sometimes, as happened in recent days in Lugansk, not disdaining last year’s victories for the sake of the general maintenance of morale. At the same time, it is important to note that if you trace the Ukrainian media, then there is more and more alarming news for Kiev: APU complain at the time that the people's police suddenly began to respond an order of magnitude stronger than before.

Even the ex-commander of the Vostok brigade confirmed that a tragedy had occurred near Debaltsev.

“Under Debaltsev, the enemy demonstrated a desire for peace - our soldiers died, damage was done to our defense ... Tolerate! Do not succumb to provocations! It should be so! ”

It looks like sarcasm, but it's much sadder. In fact, we are talking about two bombed positions of NM DNR. Seven were killed, including three officers.

At the same time, Ukrainian media are publishing reports about more and more losses day after day. Considering that the main Ukrainian imperative has always been “no losses”, it can be assumed that the losses there are no worse than ours. For some reason, the soul does not become easier from this.

Few!


The whole thing is that LDNR, despite the alleged permission to respond fully, does not use a significant part of its capabilities. People on the other side of the demarcation line write about heavy calibers, but no one says anything about MLRS. And here, “Hurricanes” and even “Tochka-U” would be quite relevant: they are quite suitable for Ukrainian positions (there already two or three defense lines were carefully poured from concrete).

This whole situation still looks just like an opportunity for our fighters to shoot back. Alas, not as an opportunity to suppress enemy fire and maintain parity. I would like to believe that all this bravado will end with the permission to beat the enemy properly. Although now it just turned into a blood bath. And at any moment the enemy can go on the offensive.
Author:
Photos used:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/dmsr/tFcqRaECW (кадр видео)
60 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 June 2020 06: 02 New
    +6
    В последнее время Егора часто обвиняют в "оторванности от реальности". Мол цен на продукты не знает, состояние с тем или иным вопросом неточно освещает и так далее. Вот сегодня он написал:
    Considering that the main Ukrainian imperative has always been “no losses”,
    Sorry, but if even like me, through the media to monitor the conflict, you can see that it is Ukrainian. Side and reports (underestimated, as for me) losses in hp Accompanying these losses with grandiloquent epithets. In the LPR, they only talk about the dead when they have a very resonant case and want to attract public attention.
    1. Li17
      Li17 18 June 2020 06: 17 New
      +1
      Remember our Chechen wars, especially the first. And the rest of our military companies. However, this is the practice of any military work at all times and in any country for a reason that is understandable to all of us.
    2. Civil
      Civil 18 June 2020 07: 24 New
      +1
      Fatigue from the war in Ukraine is growing ... no one is discussing, everyone on the drum ... now this is a problem for future generations.
      1. Avior
        Avior 18 June 2020 09: 23 New
        +2
        Honestly, the war fatigue in Ukraine has nothing to do with it.
        Fighting in the Donbass few people affected after the abolition of mobilization.
        Volunteers who want this themselves fight, there are no big battles, there are no big losses either, no matter how cynical it sounds.
        In 2014-2015, events in the Donbass were associated with a low level of patches, but the situation has since changed markedly, and the minimum and average salaries in Ukraine have grown noticeably, and the war itself has been perceived such that the majority of the population does not feel any relation to it and the problem is connection with this outside of Donetsk and Lugansk regions also does not really feel. Live by other problems.
        There are 70 kilometers from Mariupol to Berdyansk, but already in Berdyansk you will not feel the front line at two steps.
        1. Civil
          Civil 18 June 2020 10: 00 New
          0
          I'm talking about Russia, we are no longer interested in anyone.
          1. Avior
            Avior 18 June 2020 10: 05 New
            +1
            Sorry, there you can read a little differently, I do not understand.
            In Russia, this is understandable.
            But, I think, if necessary, they will heat up interest by some solution, if necessary.
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 12: 24 New
              -1
              to bring this sluggish fuss into focus, we must really try. This is an extremely resonant event.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 June 2020 08: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins

      Sorry, but if even like me, through the media to monitor the conflict, you can see that it is Ukrainian. Side and reports (underestimated, as for me) losses in hp Accompanying these losses with grandiloquent epithets. In the LPR, they only talk about the dead when they have a very resonant case and want to attract public attention.


      Do not follow carefully, or with tendentiousness.

      Firstly, how long ago, and have you ever heard of victims of shelling among civilians in the territories of the DPR and LPR occupied by the uverkhermacht?

      Secondly, if we talk about losses in the drugs of the People's Republic of Moldova, the DNI and the LC, then these losses are not hidden or underestimated.

      I just wanted to share a video about the dead (listed by name, for a hundred fallen ...) guys in the DPR for the entire 2019 year, and Yu-Tub made a mistake here by deleting the account ...



      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 June 2020 08: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        I just wanted to share a video about the dead (listed by name, for a hundred fallen ...) guys in the DPR for the entire 2019 year, and Yu-Tub made a mistake here by deleting the account ...

        Everything is monitored, you can’t write the truth, but you can write the lie.
      2. Avior
        Avior 18 June 2020 09: 24 New
        +2
        Once Makhov circumvented the problems with the miners in the LPR, because of which the Russian Spring and the Anti-Fascist were banned there.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 June 2020 09: 32 New
          -3
          Quote: Avior
          Once Makhov circumvented the problems with the miners in the LPR, because of which the Russian Spring and the Anti-Fascist were banned there.


          In this matter (problems with non-payment of salaries in the LPR), positive changes have been outlined.
          With Russ. Spring and Antifa, the question, too, I think, will be settled.

          1. Avior
            Avior 18 June 2020 09: 49 New
            +1
            With Russ. Spring and Antifa, the question, too, I think, will be settled.

            perhaps
            but so far it’s clear that there are more than problems.

            Despite the order of the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, the MGB continues to illegally keep in the basement Igor and Vitaly Efanov, the workers of the Komsomolskaya mine, Tkachenko Stanislav, the Belorechenskaya mine, and four other unidentified miners. After torture, their health condition worsened. About this on his page VKontakte wrote the co-chairman of the Independent Miners Union, Alexander Vaskovsky.

            and by the intensity of passions, it’s so clear why it was banned.
            Today, the bandits who abduct and torture workers who began to fight for their rights are frightened and demoralized. The whole world is watching the confrontation of the people of Donbass and the bandits using terror against workers. Victory in this confrontation depends on each of us. There is no middle ground, either you are for Donbass, or you are for fascism! ”

            More details: http://antifashist.com/item/aleksandr-vaskovskij-mgb-lnr-prodolzhaet-nezakonno-uderzhivat-rabotnikov-shaht.html#ixzz6PhIYcOFN

            http://antifashist.com/item/aleksandr-vaskovskij-mgb-lnr-prodolzhaet-nezakonno-uderzhivat-rabotnikov-shaht.html

            And Makhov got into his mouth like water.
      3. igor67
        igor67 18 June 2020 10: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        firstly - how long ago, and have you ever heard of the victims of shelling among civilians in the territories of the DPR and LPR occupied by the ukramermacht?

        How can these territories be occupied, Even if Russia still considers it a part of Ukraine,
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 June 2020 11: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: igor67
          How can these territories be occupied, Even if Russia still considers it a part of Ukraine,

          ... and issues domestic and foreign passports of the Russian Federation. yes

          You miss the moment that policyWhatever she is, is rarely pure and pure ...
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 18 June 2020 12: 52 New
            +2
            Yes, she betrayed them and Ossetia and Transnistria just changed it?
          2. igor67
            igor67 18 June 2020 13: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: igor67
            How can these territories be occupied, Even if Russia still considers it a part of Ukraine,

            ... and issues domestic and foreign passports of the Russian Federation. yes

            You miss the moment that policyWhatever she is, is rarely pure and pure ...

            let’s leave a high policy, even in your comments, you write that the APU shoots at their own people, And not at the occupied Romanians or Hungarians, there is a feud, started in the struggle for power, by aligarchs,
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 18 June 2020 15: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: igor67
              let's leave high politics, even in your comments, you write that the APU shoot at their own people

              Wait - wait ... And where and when did I write this ???

              Я напротив,всё время твержу,что ДНР и ЛНР после поведения референдумов,де-факто независимые республики. А термин "Civil War" в отношении агрессии Украины ,используется как политическая манипуляция в пику заявленной Киевом "войной с Россией"...
              1. igor67
                igor67 18 June 2020 17: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Insurgent
                Wait - wait ... And where and when am I

                in your comment you write that nominally, but Ukraine
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 19 June 2020 07: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: igor67
                  in your comment you write that nominally, but Ukraine


                  You are shining, like a black-and-white colore, Merin!

            2. CSKA
              CSKA 18 June 2020 17: 10 New
              -1
              Quote: igor67
              in the struggle for power, by the aligarchs,

              And what are the oligarchs on the part of LDNR?
          3. igor67
            igor67 18 June 2020 13: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Insurgent
            ... and issues domestic and foreign passports of the Russian Federation

            and another moment, the city of Dmitrov, Donetsk region, the people came out in 14 and didn’t let separs go, they live normally, they don’t die for castles in the air, with a crazy idea, in fact there is a feud, as in ancient times, Russian princes killed their own, more often of all the siblings of the princes, with the help of ordinary people, what has changed? slogans under which go to battle?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 18 June 2020 17: 10 New
              -1
              Quote: igor67
              and another moment, the city of Dmitrov, Donetsk region, the people came out in '14 and didn’t let the separs

              Have you composed it yourself?)))))
              1. igor67
                igor67 18 June 2020 17: 12 New
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                Quote: igor67
                and another moment, the city of Dmitrov, Donetsk region, the people came out in '14 and didn’t let the separs

                Have you composed it yourself?)))))

                Well yes, composed
  2. avia12005
    avia12005 18 June 2020 06: 16 New
    0
    There are no wars without victories. And in the Donbass for the sixth year this bloody camarilla continues. Sooner or later, fighting spirit begins to fade.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 12: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: avia12005
      the sixth year continues this bloody camarilla


      преувеличивать-то не надо. "Кровавая" - давно уж совсем не подходящий эпитет для этой возни.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 19 June 2020 18: 25 New
        -1
        Who did you bury there?
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 20: 42 New
          -2
          no one.
          But you must?
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 20 June 2020 07: 02 New
            -1
            Then they wouldn’t jerk.
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 11: 10 New
              -2
              What is the urchin?
              1. avia12005
                avia12005 20 June 2020 11: 46 New
                0
                В утверждении, что "
                Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                "Кровавая" - давно уж совсем не подходящий эпитет для этой возни.
                .
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 12: 43 New
                  -2
                  And?
                  Do you still call it war?
                  1. avia12005
                    avia12005 21 June 2020 06: 22 New
                    0
                    Do not call a pot like a pot.
  3. German Titov
    German Titov 18 June 2020 07: 25 New
    -1
    Quote: avia12005
    There are no wars without victories. And in the Donbass for the sixth year this bloody camarilla continues. Sooner or later, fighting spirit begins to fade.

    Увы, уже седьмой! Скоро вырастет целое поколение "военных детей". Как Вы думаете, каково их мнение об Украине?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 June 2020 08: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: German Titov
      Увы, уже седьмой! Скоро вырастет целое поколение "военных детей". Как Вы думаете, каково их мнение об Украине?

      К сожалению,коллега,в 2014 м году,в результате политических торгов и махинаций, случилось так,что стало возможно само поколение "военных детей"...

      Although history does not have a subjunctive mood, but then it could become completely different, alternative happy,и наши дети даже и не знали бы о существовании такого варварского ,дикого ,и изуверского по отношению к людям , государства "Украина"...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 June 2020 08: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: German Titov
      What do you think is their opinion about Ukraine?

      It is the same as we have the post-war children born in 1945-1950, about fascist Germany.
  4. Revolver
    Revolver 18 June 2020 07: 50 New
    -2
    You can consider me a paranoid, but I have a feeling that shit-democrats, who have been connected with Kyev since Obama’s times, are behind the increased activity of Ukrainians. In America, elections are on the way, and one can get more help for Kyev under this business, including lethal ones. If Trump does not object, then then for this help, you will thank the type, like Biden's son Sinekur (no-show job) arranged for over $ 100000 per month. And if Trump slows down this matter, then the media (and most of them in America are controlled by liberals) will start yelling an old song that Trump allegedly pays Putin for help in previous and upcoming elections. That is, for craps a win-win option. What not to say about those who come under fire.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 June 2020 08: 34 New
      -3
      Quote: Nagan
      You can consider me a paranoid, but I have a feeling that shit,

      Without paranoia, the ears of crap stick out with
      тепей Украины.
    2. Dmitry10SPb
      Dmitry10SPb 19 June 2020 13: 06 New
      +1
      Несерьезно писано. Ибо избыток пренебрежительной лексики. Такой 'аналитик' не может разбираться в проблемах. Не дано. Слишком явно сказывается влияние внушенных идей и примитивных предрассудков.
  5. Suslin
    Suslin 18 June 2020 08: 16 New
    -5
    In my opinion, it is time for the LDNR to move on to the tactics of the fire shaft according to the enemy’s positions after provocations. The LDNR NM is inexorably destroying the defensive fortifications of the Armed Forces and simultaneously trying to destroy the combat positions of enemy artillery.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 June 2020 11: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Suslin
      In my opinion, it is time for the LDNR to move on to the tactics of the fire shaft according to the enemy’s positions after provocations. The LDNR NM is inexorably destroying the defensive fortifications of the Armed Forces and simultaneously trying to destroy the combat positions of enemy artillery.

      It ,in your view yes ,ибо "Minsk agreements",not written in the DNI and LC, such a scenario does not mean ...

      Actions NM DPR and LPR are fettered political decisions major player.
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 12: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: Suslin
      In my opinion, LDNR is time to move on to the tactics of the fire shaft


      да хватит уж шашкой с дивана махать. Какой, к чёрту, "огненный вал"?
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 19 June 2020 17: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
        Quote: Suslin
        In my opinion, LDNR is time to move on to the tactics of the fire shaft


        да хватит уж шашкой с дивана махать. Какой, к чёрту, "огненный вал"?

        You first learn to read and analyze the text, and then write comments.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 18: 02 New
          -2
          Quote: Suslin
          You will first learn to read and analyze text


          что там анализировать-то, в комменте Вашем? Мысль, в нём содержащаяся, настолько примитивна, что термин "анализ" к ней не применим. Разве что в баночке.
    3. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 19 June 2020 13: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Suslin
      In my opinion, LDNR is time to move to the tactics of the fire shaft on the positions of the enemy

      If the fighters in the LPR were allowed to use tyrnet and they read this, they would laugh in the voice, though through tears.
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 19 June 2020 17: 55 New
        -2
        I do not take offense at such ......, God offended such a long time depriving him of a sound mind.
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 18: 05 New
        -2
        yes to them something? Enough that we are laughing
  6. Glory1974
    Glory1974 18 June 2020 09: 45 New
    -3
    in conditions of positional warfare it is necessary to develop artillery.
    In besieged Leningrad, artillery counteraction to the enemy was organized.
    The Nazi firing positions were being explored; in the case of firing at explored positions, concentrated fire of all types of guns was opened
    In modern conditions it is necessary to put everything on new technologies, but the principle is the same. In case of shelling of the territory of the republics, an immediate response to all opened targets with priority for leading shelling guns. With appropriate information support for forcing the APU to peace.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 June 2020 11: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: glory1974
      in the conditions of positional warfare it is necessary to develop artillery

      БД 2014-15 гг,были названы "войной артиллерии". И ту битву, наши пушкари тогда выиграли.
      So we have a developed artillery component.

      Quote: glory1974
      In case of shelling of the territory of the republics, an immediate response to all opened targets with priority for leading shelling guns. With appropriate information support for forcing the APU to peace.


      А "минские соглашения", которые так бесполезны,но так дороги их творцам-идеологам ?
      With them, what to do?

      Я вам на-прямую скажу - Чтобы "заговорили пушки",должно быть принято волевое политическое решение,с принятием которых,кое-где,не всё слава Богу...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 18 June 2020 14: 44 New
        -1
        That there is artillery is excellent.
        But it is necessary to apply it. I knowingly wrote that with the corresponding information support.
        Roughly speaking, in response to shelling by covering enemy positions, it is necessary to blow all the media, which prevented the violation of the Minsk agreements.
        They wrote on the site that Pushilin gave the command to respond to the shelling, but they continue. So they answered incorrectly or did not write.
        About political will, I agree, what can I say .....
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 June 2020 15: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: glory1974
          That there is artillery is excellent.
          But it is necessary to apply it. I knowingly wrote that with the corresponding information support.


          You read about guns, and this? -

          Quote: Insurgent
          Я вам на-прямую скажу - Чтобы "заговорили пушки",должно быть принято волевое политическое решение,с принятием которых,кое-где,не всё слава Богу...


          И чтобы было более понятно,это "here and there",находится не в Донецке и Луганске.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 18 June 2020 15: 42 New
            +1
            You read about guns, and this? -

            similarly to you
            last line of comment:
            About political will, I agree, what can I say .....
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 19 June 2020 09: 22 New
              0
              Quote: glory1974
              similarly to you
              last line of comment:
              About political will, I agree, what can I say .....


              Regarding my remark to you, this does not work No.

              Since you, understanding that without political decision, all to no avail, still stubbornly repeat:

              Quote: glory1974
              That there is artillery is excellent.
              But you have to apply it.I knowingly wrote that with the appropriate information support.
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 19 June 2020 09: 48 New
                0
                Since you, understanding that without a political decision, to no avail, still stubbornly repeat:

                There was an article on the site where it is written in black in Russian:
                Pushilin gave the artillery command to respond to the shelling of the Armed Forces. Maybe this is not so. I do not know.
                Therefore, in the comment wrote:
                They wrote on the site that Pushilin gave the command to respond to the shelling, but they continue. So they answered incorrectly or did not write.

                If you are a witness to the current situation, explain either Pushilin didn’t say such a thing, or you didn’t follow his order because you couldn’t or forbade the Kremlin.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 19 June 2020 09: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: glory1974
                  If you are a witness to the current situation, explain either Pushilin didn’t say such a thing, or you didn’t follow his order because you couldn’t or forbade the Kremlin.


                  Я не буду долго объяснять,но вам стоит уяснить,что кроме обязательных к реализации заявлений/решений,есть и используемые в "war of nerves".

                  These statements of Pushilin (and the Pasechnik) should be attributed to this category ...
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 18: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: glory1974
      in conditions of positional warfare it is necessary to develop artillery.


      deeply ... Immediately it is necessary to convey to the attention of the comrades in the Donbass.
  7. Kronos
    Kronos 18 June 2020 11: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    БД 2014-15 гг,были названы "войной артиллерии". И ту битву, наши пушкари тогда выиграли.
    So we have a developed artillery component

    Since then, Ukrainians have increased artillery and drones are also dangerous things
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 June 2020 12: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Kronos
      Since then, Ukrainians have increased artillery and drones are also dangerous things

      Пусть попробуют "померяться" артиллерийской мощью yes .

      Беспилотники ? Было 6 шт "Байрактаров",один из которых они уже угробили +/- (не ясно, имеются ли,но разговоры о них заводились) дроны-камикадзе польского производства...
  8. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 June 2020 14: 18 New
    +1
    Using a truce, people are simply killed. Why do we need a power that cannot protect people? All questions and problems are solved when they are put in the edge. One must either fight or surrender.
  9. Suslin
    Suslin 19 June 2020 18: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
    Quote: Suslin
    You will first learn to read and analyze text


    что там анализировать-то, в комменте Вашем? Мысль, в нём содержащаяся, настолько примитивна, что термин "анализ" к ней не применим. Разве что в баночке.

    And what rank are you real? I am the lieutenant of the reserve.
  10. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 21 June 2020 22: 49 New
    0
    Но ведь Яныка же вроде охраняли ребята из Москвы. Судя по выправке - какая-то из ваших разведок. Я на куче мероприятий был - братишки попадались весьма колоритные. Да и смылся оный овощ "к своим"... не секрет вроде бы.
    Well, what have you brought to that? Ukraine was held in a fist. In our city, for example, everything orange was knocked out tightly and left over the hill.
    Well wrong? Was it all good? You ... anyway.
    Why is this happening now? War? Victims? A crisis? Half-dead regions?