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What we have to vote for on July 1

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The closer the voting date for amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the more often I come across the fact that people simply do not know what they are being offered to vote for. Moreover, the campaign for amendments is active, especially in the electronic media. But agitation is practically about nothing. “If you want the country to become better, then be sure to go and vote!”


Thank. I already voted “heart” under Yeltsin. For all the good, against all the bad. And I remember what came of it. Then we came close to the edge of the abyss, at the time of the complete loss of the state. To the civil war. By the collapse of the country into pieces that would simply be unviable. What saved us then? Certainly not our popular vote “by heart” ...

Why for the majority of citizens of the Russian Federation the upcoming vote is nothing more than a formality


The attitude of our people to the constitution was formed for many decades under the USSR and the new Russia. Any student knew that the constitution is the basic law of the state. But this same schoolboy knew perfectly well something else. The constitution is written to be. And in most cases it will not execute its state. For us, the law is something for violation of which you can rattle in court or get a fine. Nobody will punish the constitution ...

We are accustomed to the fact that the president’s one word spoken live to the governor solves the problems of half a century ago literally in hours or days. We are used to the fact that there is no money to solve any problems in our city or village. But the administration promises to solve the problem "as soon as so right away." We are looking forward to the president’s arrival in our city, knowing that by that time the roads will be repaired (at least along the route of Himself), the facades of houses will be repaired and the city will be decorated with flowerbeds and repaired parks ...

For the majority of the population of Russia, this has become the norm. That’s why some “Baba Dasha” calls on the direct line with the president with the question of fixing the floors in her apartment. Only now the time is changing. At least I hope so. And instead of shouting from the president, the Constitution will finally work for us. A constitution that will truly become the fundamental law of the state. The main thing! The main thing!

How will the life of Russians change with the adoption of the amendments?


Amendments to the Basic Law of the country really should change a lot in the life of an ordinary citizen and the country as a whole. I won’t write about the country today. Just because the global nature of the topic requires separate discussion on this subject. But it’s worth talking about a man, every citizen of Russia. About those amendments that concern us directly. I will try to highlight a few, in my opinion, the main amendments.

Pension benefits and social guarantees to citizens of the Russian Federation


Tell me, are you tired of waiting for old age as a sentence? He became a pensioner - became a beggar, unnecessary and uninteresting. A burden for the family and for the state! A beggarly pension "so as not to starve to death" suits you? Or is it that, in the event of any cataclysm in the state, money is primarily raked from the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation?

So, the amendment to Article 75, paragraphs 6, 7. The solidarity system of contributions to the PF is maintained. But the norm of annual pension compensation is fixed, regardless of the economic situation and market conditions. In addition, all citizens are guaranteed compulsory social insurance, targeted social support, indexation of social benefits and social benefits.

The morality of the state is judged by the attitude of society and government towards the disabled, the elderly, and children. This truth has been known to mankind for a long time. Social benefits, payments, pensions just make life easier for the most vulnerable. Old people and people with disabilities will not count pennies until retirement. But there are also children. More precisely, young families for whom the birth of a child without material assistance from the state turns into a disaster. Amendments to Article 75 just eliminate this monstrous injustice.

Fair wage


Have you ever thought that being an employee today is in some cases humiliating? Business actually pushes employees "into the shadows." "Get a minimum wage, and you will receive the rest in an envelope." It is clear that no one officially recognizes such a "fair distribution of income." But just look at the vacancies in the nearest employment service to understand this.

Agree, it is difficult to find a normal person who will go to work for a salary that is less than the cost of living in the region. And most of the vacancies are just that. Even to pay for travel to work, lunch and utility bills is not enough. And a person needs, sorry, also underwear to buy ...

So, the amendments to article 75 and article 114. The state ensures the growth of the well-being of citizens, guaranteeing a wage of at least the minimum subsistence level for the whole of the Russian Federation. Simply put, regional living wages, which were really ridiculous, are being replaced by all-Russian ones. The minimum wage will now change after the minimum subsistence level in the country (Article 75, paragraph 5).

Why is it important? The banality like “a working person cannot be a beggar” is discarded. This is clear to everyone. But I remember that social benefits, social benefits and other payments are calculated on the basis of the minimum wage. That is, the whole chain of payments to Russian families is being tightened.

Medical care for citizens


The importance of medicine for modern society is recognized by everyone. Today, Russians anywhere in the country are at serious risk of injuries, occupational diseases, and infections by infectious diseases. And it often happens that an injury or illness, which doctors in Moscow, regional centers or specialized clinics could easily handle, leads to the death of a person somewhere in the outback. There are no necessary equipment, doctors, drugs ...

The amendments to Articles 71, 72, 132 just say that medical care in any corner of the country should be approximately the same. It is clear that with the exception of specialized clinics and medical institutes. Particularly complicated cases of the disease are treated there. A person, even in district clinics, should be served in the same way as in Moscow ...

Is this a difficult task? The hardest! But if this requirement is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the task will be solved fairly quickly. By the way, on the day of voting for amendments, the program for modernizing the primary link of medical institutions: polyclinics, hospitals, ambulance stations, feldsher points and other things, starts. Even the distribution of budget places in medical academies this year will change. Up to 75% of such places will be targeted.

Marriage and family


One of the most talked about amendments today. Agree that today, in the situation that exists in the world, we just need to protect everything that Russia has stood and is standing on. Protect our morality, our morality, our values. We must protect our children and our values, which hold the state together.

On the one hand, the state does not have the right to intervene in human life, but, on the other hand, the state is obliged to protect the values ​​that hold our society together. The difficulty of this task is that in our society there are many peoples whose customs, lifestyle, traditions differ in their own color. Customs and traditions are passed down from generation to generation and change quite slowly.

But there are fundamental things that are the same for everyone in Russia. First of all, this is a family. Family as a union of man and woman for life together and the birth of children. Today, a young mother “aged” to 29 years. It is at this age that the first-born often appears. But for our families it has become the norm to have two children!

The amendments to articles 67 (paragraph 1), 72, 114 are precisely designed to preserve the family as the basis of society, raising children in accordance with the customs and traditions of the people, spiritual and moral health, as the main social task.

To be continued


The amendments that I examined in the first part of the material are just a small part of what we have to accept. The volume of the journal article does not allow to contain everything at once. I practically did not touch on such significant moments for every Russian as the protection of the sovereignty of the country, the formation, or rather, the nationalization of our elites, the stability of the country's development and the formation of the stability of power, regardless of the decisions of one person - the president.

Therefore, the conversation about the upcoming vote is not ending ...
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  1. Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 18 June 2020 15: 04
    23 th
    I will be at home. I do not care.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 18 June 2020 15: 11
      45
      Amendments to the Constitution will not change the situation in the country. To overcome the crisis, we need to completely change not only the Constitution, but also the economic and political direction. In the conditions of the existing "flea market" it is pointless to wait for a breakthrough forward. Capitalism is a dead end of development.
      P.S. Whether or not to go on July 1, each person needs to decide personally. The main thing is not to make a mistake. Personally, I join, in this case, the boycott.
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 18 June 2020 15: 34
        18
        I am afraid that a boycott of united Russia is only at hand, just like coronavirus.
        Vote for you. good
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 18 June 2020 15: 45
          42
          Quote: Petr1
          I am afraid that a boycott of united Russia is only at hand, just like coronavirus.

          Judging by how actively inviting - not quite at hand. Even the coronavirus (temporarily?) Was canceled for the sake of such a thing.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 18 June 2020 17: 26
            50
            Is this a difficult task? The hardest! But if this requirement is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the task will be solved fairly quickly.
            Is this a humorous text or something?
            1. Revival
              Revival 18 June 2020 18: 54
              +8
              Damn, I wrote so much negatively, but you expressed the whole point of what I wrote so briefly! +++ hi
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 19 June 2020 01: 44
                +5
                The organizers of the "hollow" undertook everything to make the situation a stalemate and in no case to prevent the victory of common sense. For a week allotted for farce, either the donkey dies, or the padishah. The only way out is a boycott. No alternative options for expressing the will are able to "retouch" empty areas, and the turnout through them can only indicate the illegitimacy of the results, which, in turn, will mean the lack of support for the criminal course from the population.
                1. Deck
                  Deck 19 June 2020 22: 05
                  +3
                  Why all this is very badly explained by Vladimir Putin himself. Below is an excerpt from his 2008 press conference:

                  “From the first day I was working as president of the Russian Federation, I immediately decided for myself that I would not violate the current constitution ... You know, different people tend to miss things. Someone becomes addicted to tobacco, someone - God forgive me - for drugs. Someone becomes addicted to money. They say that the biggest dependence is on power. I have never felt this. In general, I have never been a dependent person on anything. I believe that if the Lord gave me such happiness - to work for the good of his country, the connection with which I have always felt and feel, then we must already be grateful for this. This in itself is a great reward. To pick out some other awards for yourself or to consider that, once you climbed into some kind of bossy chair, it should belong to you for life, to the grave, I consider it absolutely unacceptable. "
            2. Azis
              Azis 18 June 2020 19: 51
              10
              Quote: wassat
              Is this a humorous text or something?
              Feuilleton
            3. Taga
              Taga 18 June 2020 21: 48
              0
              Perhaps the author will develop his thoughts in future publications on this topic.
        2. snake
          snake 18 June 2020 18: 23
          20
          Quote: Petr1
          Vote for you.

          Vote for you, instead of you, together with you. Stalemate situation. But if you do not go to this vote, then at least conscience will be clear.
          On the topic of the article:
          Family as a union of man and woman for life together and the birth of children.

          Has anyone joked here about "same-sex" families with single mothers and grandmothers? Will such families be provided with male dads after the amendments are passed?
          In general, one gets the impression that Staver and Skomorokhov, who previously wrote articles together, now decided to play the game "good journalist - bad journalist." Which of them is "good" and who is "bad" - depends on the political views of each member of the forum, of course.
          Hype or not hype - that's what "?"
        3. Volzhanin64
          Volzhanin64 18 June 2020 18: 35
          13
          Calling voters to the polling stations, they pursue one goal - to get the original signature in the magazine about the issuance of the ballot, but what will appear in the basket when counting is another question. It is not for nothing that they do not allow outside observers to observe. And so I think they need to confirm the "legitimacy", long approved by the top of the main changes related to the retention and control of power
          1. Dwellernet
            Dwellernet 19 June 2020 13: 35
            +1
            There is no question of vote counting. Amendments have already been accepted! All they need is a signature on the ballot. It is to confirm the legitimacy.
            1. kot28.ru
              kot28.ru 20 June 2020 05: 04
              -3
              There is evidence ??? No. Yap.
        4. Private89
          Private89 18 June 2020 20: 10
          15
          Personally, I’m going to vote against, not because I believe in bourgeois elections, or that my vote will not be stolen, for me this vote is not about amendments, but about trust in the authorities. Also, this is probably one of the last opportunities in a peaceful way to show that they have lost the edge, whether they want to see it or not, their choice. At least, with a clear conscience, we can say that we did our best to be heard. Well, if they are already irrevocably run wild, well, let's go and read Lenin’s grandfather, and join the councils, they don’t leave us anything else.
          1. Taga
            Taga 18 June 2020 22: 06
            +2
            Grandpa time to read yesterday. And they will prove it time after time.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 21
            -6
            Yes Yes. Give them a gift, go vote. Life does not teach you anything like that. Keep jumping on the rake.
        5. AA17
          AA17 19 June 2020 08: 51
          +1
          Dear Peter 1. If few people come to the Vote, it will be difficult to explain the high percentage of approval of the Amendments. To vote WHOLESALE for all amendments is unreasonable, it is insane, it is simply silly !!!!!
        6. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 19 June 2020 09: 07
          -2
          Vote for you.

          And they’ll just figure it out as it should ...
        7. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 19 June 2020 11: 56
          -4
          I will vote "FOR" you ... repeat
        8. Dwellernet
          Dwellernet 19 June 2020 13: 31
          -3
          What will you vote for? The constitution is already adopted. Better go to the circus.
      2. businessv
        businessv 18 June 2020 15: 53
        0
        Quote: Arlen
        Personally, I join, in this case, the boycott.

        And who will feel good from this? Not tired of self-isolation? Going and voting against is the right decision and confirmation of your intentions!
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 18 June 2020 16: 24
          -5
          Quote: businessv
          Going and voting against is the right decision and confirmation of your intentions!

          I will go from the 25th of this month and every day I will vote several times AGAINST putititude, Putinomics and Putinism in general!
          Threat. I wrote a comment and it was inspired from my youth ..Peter ... Rubinstein on the 13th and 25th ... and the janitor ...
          1. businessv
            businessv 18 June 2020 18: 16
            -4
            Quote: Malyuta
            I will go from the 25th of this month and every day I will vote several times AGAINST putititude, Putinomics and Putinism in general!
            You are on the right track, comrade! good drinks
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 June 2020 00: 03
            -4
            Quote: Malyuta
            I will go from the 25th of this month and every day I will vote several times AGAINST putititude, Putinomics and Putinism in general!

            Good idea, but interesting from public services, from an unconfirmed account, can you vote the same?
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 18 June 2020 16: 46
          22
          Quote: businessv
          Going and voting against is the right decision and confirmation of your intentions!

          On the one hand, there is a great temptation to go and express your strong "Phi" to these amendments.

          On the other hand, I can’t get rid of the association with the thimble: he has already set his thimbles and is actively inviting the players with promises of easy winnings. Someone chooses the left, for someone it is obvious that the ball is under the right. But only the thimbler himself can win here, and his companions-barkers in the crowd. And the only right decision is not to play at all.

          However, this is all true, thinking out loud, of course.
        3. Llur
          Llur 18 June 2020 16: 58
          12
          The authorities need a turnout, so a boycott is the only right decision.
          1. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 19 June 2020 00: 37
            0
            And we need Russia, and THIS is the only right decision
            1. Llur
              Llur 13 July 2020 17: 21
              0
              Well, you voted and you lost Russia.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 19 June 2020 18: 14
            0
            so boycott is the only right decision ,,
            Well, have you already boycotted the presidential election, are you satisfied? Do not go, do not vote, do not breathe: by this you, strongly, tell this power.
            1. Llur
              Llur 13 July 2020 17: 21
              0
              Well, I'm dissatisfied with the idiots who provided the authorities with a turnout.
              1. kotvov
                kotvov 15 July 2020 10: 47
                0
                Do you think you think you're smart? You can not even see that turnout is not decisive, since it is excluded. And you will eat what this power puts. I voted against, even in front of myself and people are clean. But what do you say in your excuse, drank beer?
        4. bandabas
          bandabas 19 June 2020 08: 12
          -6
          I wonder if the majority of the Russian quorum read all the "amendments"? Something gnaws at doubts, and everything is so smeared. Even the essence is not important "for" or "against". The closest analogy is the "divorce" from telephone operators only on a national scale.
        5. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 27
          -3
          Quote: businessv
          Going and voting against is the right decision and confirmation of your intentions!

          Yeah, hammer, let me predict how it will be. You are so alternatively smart to provide a turnout. The figures that they need to draw there, plus another crowd of state employees will drive other active grandparents who understand the issue of less than nothing to vote for the constitution in retirement. And yet popular approval is provided. So this nichrome is not the right decision.
      3. Vend
        Vend 18 June 2020 16: 21
        12 th
        Quote: Arlen
        Amendments to the Constitution do not change the situation in the country. To overcome the crisis, we need to completely change not only the Constitution, but also the economic and political direction. .

        And in what political and economic direction, my dear, do you want to move Russia)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 June 2020 00: 24
          16 th
          Yes, in no way - there is nothing to change for anything. The planned economy has shown its complete inoperability in the form of an increasing deficit.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 19 June 2020 07: 13
            12
            Quote: Vadim237
            planned economy showed its complete inoperability

            it is not the economy that has shown its inefficiency, it is the lack of responsibility of the party elite, starting with Khrushchev, and the activities of Western intelligence agencies introduced into the immediate circle of key figures of the USSR.
          2. Vend
            Vend 19 June 2020 10: 38
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, in no way - there is nothing to change for anything. The planned economy has shown its complete inoperability in the form of an increasing deficit.
            laughing laughing if you don’t know what to change, then you should shout out slogans laughing laughing
            1. kot28.ru
              kot28.ru 20 June 2020 17: 30
              +2
              They in this case would only work out the comment
              Earnings
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 18 June 2020 17: 54
        10 th
        Quote: Arlen
        P.S. Whether or not to go on July 1, each person needs to decide personally.

        I also wanted to boycott. But after I found out that L. Gozman did not like the amendments, I decided to go and vote for.
        Because I know what Leonid Gozman is.
        1. Revival
          Revival 18 June 2020 19: 08
          21
          Brilliant!
          It’s scary to think what will happen if Gozman likes your house, moving is such a chore ... but you have to move, well, not living in a house that the gozman might like ...
          laughing
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 June 2020 19: 32
            +7
            Quote: Revival
            It’s scary to think what will happen if Gozman likes your house, moving is such a chore.

            Comrade needs to change nickname from Krasnoyarsk to AntiGozman wassat
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 18 June 2020 19: 37
            -1
            Quote: Revival
            It’s scary to think what will happen if Gozman likes your house,

            Stupid comparison. My home is my own business. The Constitution is a state affair. And if the enemies of my state, and that Gozman is an enemy, I have no doubt against changes to the Constitution, which, incidentally, were developed by accomplices of gozmans of all stripes and ranks, then I will be in favor. If the collective West and mattresses are unhappy with zeroing, i.e. they are afraid that Putin will remain, then I am in favor. I am pleased that they are afraid of Putin.
            Yes, I have a lot of complaints against Putin, but that suits all gozmans and the West with mattresses, that suits me.
            1. snake
              snake 18 June 2020 20: 04
              10
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Yes, I have a lot of complaints against Putin, but that suits all gozmans and the West with mattresses, that suits me.

              And what if the gozmans and mattress toppers are just pretending to be afraid of Putin? Do you not admit the thought that Gozman plays the role assigned to him? "The whole world is a theater" - have you heard? All this liberal opposition looks repulsive to the average Russian citizen. Not the least role in this is played by ahem ... the international composition of these freedom fighters. In my opinion, this was done on purpose - in order to instill in the population the idea: "no matter how bad the government is, the opposition is even worse."
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              If the collective West and mattresses are unhappy with zeroing, i.e. fearthat Putin will remain, then I am in favor. I am pleased that they fear Putin.

              Why are they afraid of him? Will he take away their pensions?
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 18 June 2020 20: 29
                -4
                Quote: serpent
                But what if gozmans and mattresses just pretend to be afraid of Putin?

                Would purcua not be pa?
                "They tell you - you will believe there will be many more guilty Americas ..." (c) TV "Hysterics of Sows"
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 18 June 2020 22: 23
                0
                Quote: serpent
                You do not allow the idea that Gozman plays the role assigned to him?

                No, I don’t. For Gozman, this is too complicated. In order to conduct such a game, you need a control center. Does the liberde have it? No. Just as there is no single center for all leftists.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 19 June 2020 00: 56
                  +5
                  Either they are State Department agents, or fraudsters without a center! You already decide
                2. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 19 June 2020 09: 12
                  +1
                  No, I don’t. For Gozman, this is too complicated.
                  It seems that it is too difficult for you ..))
                3. snake
                  snake 19 June 2020 14: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  For Gozman, this is too complicated. In order to conduct such a game, you need a control center. Does the liberde have it? No.

                  How do you know what is difficult for Gozman and what is not? And that the liberde has no center? You do not accidentally enter those circles to declare so categorically? I, for example, have no idea how this liberal cuisine works. And you have straightforward answers to all questions.
              3. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 18 June 2020 22: 50
                +2
                Quote: serpent
                But what if gozmans and mattresses just pretend to be afraid of Putin?

                But what if you only pretend that you are fighting Putin, but in reality are on guard of the interests of the oligarchy and mattresses and are trying with all your might to prevent changes to the Yeltsin constitution? what
                1. snake
                  snake 19 June 2020 14: 22
                  0
                  As an option. You are doing the right thing by questioning my words too. In our era of lies, fakes and falsification, ears should be kept on top of the head.
                  The truth is, "you are fighting Putin" - it is said too loudly ...
                  1. kot28.ru
                    kot28.ru 20 June 2020 05: 13
                    -3
                    And what does Putin have to do with it? The next one will be unsuitable for you. Until there will be trouble in Russia. Does that suit you?
                    1. snake
                      snake 20 June 2020 11: 06
                      -2
                      Quote: kot28.ru
                      You and the next will be unsuitable.

                      Wow! Yes, here we have Vanga drew!
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 18 June 2020 20: 40
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And if the enemies of my state, and Gozman is an enemy, I have no doubt
              Well, in vain: the authorities do not allow enemies on television. Gozman is the new television face of Russian liberalism instead of Novodvorskaya. He is specially shown to you, so that you hate him and those whom television will call him associates.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 19 June 2020 18: 07
                0
                Quote: bk0010
                the authorities do not allow enemies on television.

                Let them go! To create the appearance of "democracy" and freedom of speech.
            3. Revival
              Revival 19 June 2020 01: 05
              0
              "Silly comparison. My home is my own business. The Constitution is a state matter."

              Wow!
              Well, drop these conversations!))
              How is your home your business?
              And who will save the state from Gozman! All to the altar of victory over Gozman!
              They clamped their house to the state, separated?
              Why aren’t you a patriot !?
              Yes, and your house may do for Putin, because it cannot be ruled out that the "collective west and mattress makers" will get even more horror from this!
              You have to understand! And not my hut with the edge))
            4. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 19 June 2020 07: 27
              +3
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Yes, I have a lot of complaints against Putin, but that suits all gozmans and the West with mattresses, that suits me.

              The main mattress covers of our country hold key posts in it, why do you think that they are afraid of him? and another question: what has been done for people in our country over the past 30 years?
              1. mp-133
                mp-133 19 June 2020 11: 11
                0
                What is done? So probably by the principle, beat your own so that strangers are afraid! laughing
          3. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 18 June 2020 20: 18
            +4
            Quote: Revival
            Brilliant!
            It’s scary to think what will happen if Gozman likes your house, moving is such a chore ... but you have to move, well, not living in a house that the gozman might like ...
            laughing

            No need to scoff about it.
            Gozman is not a man, but does not go home, does not even do anything.
            Gozman is ... that only marks.
            Runs up and marks, runs up again, and marks ...
            What attracts a gozman, and what he marked, then stinks and rot ... The law of nature: first, quick shoots, and then rot and continuous harm.
            Gozman does not understand this, he is Sharik off. This military secret was not given to the Gozman, and they did not cut off the mechanism for putting marks ... So he is toiling.
        2. Taga
          Taga 18 June 2020 22: 12
          -2
          Great plan, reliable as a Swiss watch! No.
        3. polar fox
          polar fox 19 June 2020 06: 02
          -2
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          But after I found out that L. Gozman did not like the amendments, I decided to go and vote for.
          Because I know what Leonid Gozman is.

          I hasten to inform you that Gozman does not like to eat excrement. Act, dear!
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 19 June 2020 09: 17
            +2
            Quote: polar fox

            I hasten to inform you that Gozman does not like to eat excrement. Act, dear!

            Was there not enough mind for a clever disagreement with my point of view?
        4. krops777
          krops777 19 June 2020 16: 03
          +2
          Meanwhile, the Venice Commission proposed the deletion of the amendment to Article 79 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

          They don’t like that we will change the prevalence of international law over ours, I personally only vote for it with both hands FOR.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 08: 46
            +2
            Quote: krops777
            Meanwhile, the Venice Commission proposed the deletion of the amendment to Article 79 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

            They don’t like that we will change the prevalence of international law over ours, I personally only vote for it with both hands FOR.

            Do not pour salt on the wounds of opponents of the amendments (liberals of all stripes).
            All the same, the main thing for them is not to let Putin go to the next elections.
            For them, it’s the liberals who have driven into their heads that - the president should change !!!
            Not because...
            And just - everything should change!
            Like Porthos - "I fight because I fight"
          2. dison
            dison 20 June 2020 19: 02
            +1
            I support, only FOR! "The sovereignty of our people must be unconditional" V.V. Putin.
        5. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 31
          -5
          Hand face. Where do you come from.
        6. Comrade Michael
          Comrade Michael 20 June 2020 22: 40
          0
          Why are you talking with Gozman? Who is that, by the way?
      5. Civil
        Civil 18 June 2020 19: 18
        +2
        Amendments to the Constitution do not change the situation in the country. To overcome the crisis, we need to completely change not only the Constitution, but also the economic and political direction.

        But is it necessary? It doesn’t matter who the President is - all the same, the people themselves do not want to take any responsibility).
      6. veritas
        veritas 18 June 2020 20: 41
        -1
        Quote: Arlen
        Personally, I join, in this case, the boycott.

        And I join your comment. hi
      7. Hagen
        Hagen 18 June 2020 23: 18
        +4
        Quote: Arlen
        Personally, I join, in this case, the boycott.

        We are all encouraged to express our opinions. What we think of the proposed amendments to the fundamental law. For or against. Putin wants to know yours, what do you think on this topic? And if you strive, like a cockroach to get into the gap, how do you take into account your opinion? Of course, only those who express themselves will be considered. Only you, boycotting, then tears and snot on your fist, do not wind that you do not want to listen. From January to June, there is enough time to familiarize yourself with the amendments and discuss them. Neglecting the President’s request to speak out, will you then have the moral right to make claims to him? The caravan will nevertheless go its own way; a boycott can only be removed from its control.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 33
          -3
          Let’s hang noodles on our ears? Or do you think that everyone here has a memory like a fish? Your president has already shown quite clearly that he does not give a damn about the opinion of the people.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 20 June 2020 06: 28
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Or do you think that everyone here has a memory like a fish?

            In this case, according to the level of education, you have not gone far from the fish. I would like to note that I am not offering a response to the President's proposal. For or against - strictly at your discretion. I offer only one thing - participation. Are you boycotting what you expect to achieve? After all, if you are not a fish, then under any action you must put the purpose of this action. Is not it so?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 08: 32
              -4
              Quote: Hagen
              In this case, by the level of education you have not gone far from fish.

              I will not make ceremonies with the demagogue.
              Quote: Hagen
              What are you expecting to achieve with your boycott?

              Show that our rights are not an empty phrase. Unfortunately, this is not the situation that would allow to demolish this scary system to the ground. But everything has its time. While the boycott is optimal.
              1. kot28.ru
                kot28.ru 20 June 2020 17: 44
                -1
                bearer, diapers do not forget to put on
                and then they come in on the tomatoes themselves lol
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 08: 54
            -1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Your president has already shown quite clearly that he does not give a damn about the opinion of the people.

            Youthful maximalism plus emotions.
            The president takes into account the opinion of the people. To the best of their abilities.
            Do you fulfill all the wishes of your children? I am sure that - no.
            Perform only those that are in your capabilities and which will not harm your children. So?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 08: 58
              -1
              If you consider yourself moronic, this is your right. I do not consider myself as such. Your president takes into account that part of the people who don’t know where to put the money already but all of them will not get drunk.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 55
                0
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                If you consider yourself moronic, this is your right. I do not consider myself as such. Your president takes into account that part of the people who don’t know where to put the money already but all of them will not get drunk.

                Well, if you don’t consider yourself a weak-minded person, then why did you run into "zeroing"?
                It is not yet known whether he will run or not. Yes, and this "zeroing" in no way forces you to choose it.
                Or does your weakness prevent you from understanding this?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 13: 58
                  -3
                  Let's do it one after another. Nehru to divert the conversation to the side. And the point is not only and not so much in zeroing, but in attempts to adopt amendments in favor of the current power of the capitalists.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 14: 21
                    -1
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    And the point is not only and not so much in zeroing, but in attempts to adopt amendments in favor of the current power of the capitalists.

                    Which amendment is aimed in favor of the current government?
                    P.S. I ask you to take into account that I am against the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
    2. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 18 June 2020 15: 13
      -3
      In vain minus. I know when to leave the house.)
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 15: 36
        22
        Quote: Comrade Mikhail
        I do not care.

        But I have a difference, men. I will vote against. Against one single amendment, we have the 21st century, in the end, not for that my grandfathers fought in the Civil, so that the autocracy in the country is legalized again ...
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 June 2020 18: 30
          -7
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          we have the 21st century, in the end, it’s not for that that my grandfathers fought in the Civil, so that again they can legitimize the autocracy in the country ...

          And what does autocracy have to do with it? He is a classic Soviet secretary general! For the same your grandfathers fought in Civil?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 18 June 2020 22: 42
            0
            Quote: AllXVahhaB

            And what does autocracy have to do with it? He is a classic Soviet secretary general! For the same your grandfathers fought in Civil?

            And what does the secretary general have to do with it? I’m surprised - I won’t go to vote, or I’ll vote against it only because there is a clause which, if adopted, allows Putin to participate in the presidential election.
            You, gentlemen, comrades, what are you going to vote for? For amendments to the Constitution, or for the president of the Russian Federation? So there is no presidential election yet. When there will be presidential elections, then you will vote; who is for and who is against.
            But now you are voting for the amendments! And the adoption of this amendment does not mean anything. It is not known whether he will run or not. And if it does, it is unknown whether they will elect him or not.
            I am not calling for anything. I suggest just thinking. After all, there are many very necessary amendments. And it is a pity if they are not accepted because of one, little meaningful amendment.
        2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 18 June 2020 20: 50
          +1
          With the efforts of such commentators, HE can get into foreign NPOs and receive all the ensuing charms in a package. They will scratch, begin to consider through a magnifying glass and revoke the license.
        3. Vend
          Vend 19 June 2020 14: 19
          -2
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Quote: Comrade Mikhail
          I do not care.

          But I have a difference, men. I will vote against. Against one single amendment, we have the 21st century, in the end, not for that my grandfathers fought in the Civil, so that the autocracy in the country is legalized again ...
          Come on laughing And the general secretaries in the USSR that did not posthumously leave their posts? laughing The same tsarism, only the elite are smaller and lived on full welfare. Under tsarism, it was different, more than once emperors and kings found themselves without personal finances,
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 35
          -2
          With your vote against you will legitimize him. Damn well, how much are you all stupid already takes evil.
      2. A good one
        A good one 18 June 2020 15: 40
        11 th
        Quote: Comrade Michael
        In vain minus. I know when to leave the house.)

        Especially when "before the wind". smile
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 18 June 2020 15: 36
      -6
      I choose kebabs and cognac on Wednesday
      1. A good one
        A good one 18 June 2020 15: 43
        -7
        Bon appetit, if only not in one mouth, take a bigger company. yes
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 18 June 2020 18: 25
          +6
          Well, people will not gather duck. I’ll ride a bike through the forest)) I’ll go to the river, I bought a mountain for myself)))
    4. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 15: 54
      25
      Quote: Comrade Mikhail
      I will be at home. I do not care.

      Well, if it makes no difference, why are you writing here? It doesn’t matter to all of us, it makes no difference to you! hi
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 18 June 2020 18: 26
        -4
        Because a person expresses his opinion
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: Clever man
          Because a person expresses his opinion

          Does he have it?
    5. Vend
      Vend 18 June 2020 16: 23
      +2
      This vote will show well who cares about Russia and who doesn't care.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 18 June 2020 17: 03
        15
        Quote: Wend
        This vote will show well who cares about Russia and who doesn't care.

        Quote: Llur
        And you will be absolutely right.

        Mavrikiy Today, 15: 05
        23 th
        What we have to vote for on July 1
        fool For Putin, and therefore for Russia. request

        just for Putin. huh ...?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 18 June 2020 19: 10
          12 th
          Quote: Dead Day

          just for Putin. huh ...?
          Vote against Putin, along with Posner, Gozman, the State Department and K.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 18 June 2020 19: 33
            +8
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Quote: Dead Day

            just for Putin. huh ...?
            Vote against Putin, along with Posner, Gozman, the State Department and K.

            And if they urged to vote "for" - would you be "against"?

            And generally speaking. Here LGBT people have chosen a rainbow as their symbol - Do you propose now not to look at the sky after the rain?
            No.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 19 June 2020 05: 53
              0
              Quote: Freeman
              And if they urged to vote "for" - would you be "against"?

              Like any decent person, I and the State Department are not on the road. request
            2. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 19 June 2020 17: 07
              -6
              Quote: Freeman
              Here the LGBT has chosen a rainbow as its symbol - Do you propose now not to look at the sky after the rain?

              I suggest you don’t tryndet for me. fool That you suggest now not to look at the blue sky! fool
              1. ventich62
                ventich62 20 June 2020 07: 54
                -2
                Yes, look, for God's sake. Besides the great PU, you will not see anything there ...
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 June 2020 19: 36
            +9
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Vote against Putin, along with Posner, Gozman, the State Department and K.

            and then Gozman! who is he at all, a giant of thoughts ?! In the manuals they prescribed that everywhere they poke them now
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 39
              -2
              This is probably some kind of schoolboy. An adult cannot carry such nonsense.
          3. Vend
            Vend 19 June 2020 10: 34
            -1
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Quote: Dead Day

            just for Putin. huh ...?
            Vote against Putin, along with Posner, Gozman, the State Department and K.
            laughing laughing stupid attempt laughing laughing State Department really wants Putin not to be laughing laughing
        2. Vend
          Vend 19 June 2020 10: 36
          -1
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: Wend
          This vote will show well who cares about Russia and who doesn't care.

          Quote: Llur
          And you will be absolutely right.

          Mavrikiy Today, 15: 05
          23 th
          What we have to vote for on July 1
          fool For Putin, and therefore for Russia. request

          just for Putin. huh ...?

          Yes, I am aware, the President himself spoke about this, if Russian citizens want, this item will remain on the agenda. It’s necessary to follow the political life of Russia, and this is a cheap attempt for faraway people.)
          1. ventich62
            ventich62 20 June 2020 07: 56
            0
            Foolish people vote like rams for the eternal king ...
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 06
              +2
              Quote: ventich62
              Foolish people vote like rams for the eternal king ...

              Yes, the main thing is to change. A watch for underpants, not important. Though on a cat in a bag, but change.
            2. Vend
              Vend 20 June 2020 14: 23
              -1
              Quote: ventich62
              Foolish people vote like rams for the eternal king ...

              And you read the amendments, you will not write nonsense)) And the rams, or rather not the rams, but the enemies of Russia, are just against voting))
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      2. smart ass
        smart ass 18 June 2020 18: 30
        -1
        Who cares about participating in a theatrical performance or not
    6. Llur
      Llur 18 June 2020 16: 57
      -1
      And you will be absolutely right.
    7. Vicontas
      Vicontas 18 June 2020 19: 56
      -5
      As folklore says - "Vote, do not vote - you will get it anyway ... not at all what you need!
    8. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 19 June 2020 12: 14
      -4
      If amendments to the Constitution are null and void, then why are all the insignificances against ??? wassat
    9. Outsider
      Outsider 22 June 2020 22: 32
      0
      Throw in for you, do not worry ... lol
    10. zenion
      zenion 24 June 2020 13: 23
      0
      Like it makes no difference. This will be the choice of a slave collar, copper, or luminous. Copper will need to be polished every day to make it shine, and luminous will be dangerous to health. There will be another last collar - a tree one. How not to choose it if it will be free collars.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 June 2020 15: 05
    47 th
    What we have to vote for on July 1
    fool For Putin, and therefore for Russia. request
    1. prior
      prior 18 June 2020 15: 10
      29
      The power was confirmed by the current constitution.
      Do you think the corrected awaits another fate?
    2. unaha
      unaha 18 June 2020 15: 20
      17
      "For Putin, which means for Russia" - a cult of personality, however?
      1. snake
        snake 18 June 2020 18: 41
        11
        Quote: unaha
        "For Putin, which means for Russia" - a cult of personality, however?

        Rather, it is a cult of impersonality. For all of Russia-one Putin. Among the rest of the population, no one can replace the GDP. One faceless mass. Which without Putin, happiness cannot be seen forever.
        So, I think, those who write and say slogans like this reason:
        Who if not P.? There is P. - there is Russia. And other chants, shouts of this kind.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 09
          -4
          [quote = serpent Among the rest of the population, no one can replace the GDP. [/ quote]
          Already have a candidacy? Why are you hiding her from us? Ai-ya-yay! Not good.
          1. snake
            snake 20 June 2020 11: 12
            +1
            Yes, I’m not hiding it. This power has cleared the field for normal candidates. Or do you think that in all of Russia there are no decent, decent people who can lead the country? And even in the bunker sit out, take away pensions and build surprised eyes about gas prices, even I could be light.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 13: 47
              -2
              Quote: serpent
              Or do you think that in all of Russia there are no decent, decent people who can lead the country?

              Yes there is of course! And not one! But call me at least one!
              Until you call, all this talk is empty blah blah blah
              Quote: serpent
              gasoline even I could be light.

              What can you, I understand from your blah blah blah.
              1. snake
                snake 20 June 2020 15: 54
                -1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                But tell me at least one!
                Until you call, all this talk is empty blah blah blah

                I wrote to you that the authorities conduct political selection so that neither you nor I know the names of normal candidates. But since you really want to hear from me name (name, sister, name (s)), I can immediately recall Nikolai Bondarenko, deputy of the Saratov Duma from the Communist Party. And what? Young, his language is suspended, he says the right thing - Putin was chosen for the same thing at the beginning of his presidential career.
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                What can you, I understand from your blah blah blah.

                Are you not blah blah blah on this site? Or maybe you are a man known for his deeds? If so - enlighten regarding your personality - who you are, Mr. Krasnoyarsk.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 21 June 2020 11: 29
                  0
                  Quote: serpent

                  I wrote to you that the authorities are conducting political selection so that neither you nor I know the names of normal candidates. But

                  Well, this is a claim to power. And what does the amendment have to do with it?
                  1. snake
                    snake 21 June 2020 11: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Well, this is a claim to power. And what does the amendment have to do with it?

                    That's it, what does the amendment have to do with it? It was about that there was no one to replace Putin.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 21 June 2020 13: 31
                      0
                      Quote: serpent

                      That's it, what does the amendment have to do with it? It was about that there was no one to replace Putin.

                      Not this way! I did not say that it was not by whom. I said that there are many that can replace them, but we, including you, do not know them.
                      1. snake
                        snake 21 June 2020 17: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Not this way! I did not say that it was not by whom.

                        And I didn’t say that you said that.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I said that there are many that can replace them, but we, including you, do not know them.

                        Well, so am I about the same. Why then pour over from empty to empty ..?
    3. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 15: 20
      19
      Putin's propagandists in creating Putin's "personality cult" surpassed even the propagandists of the Soviet regime.
      1. Molox
        Molox 18 June 2020 20: 06
        -6
        Quote: tatra
        Putin's propagandists in creating Putin's "personality cult" surpassed even the propagandists of the Soviet regime.

        laughing bully We learn from you "gentlemen neolibians with avatars of flags of the USSR, etc." ...
        Here is Irin, this clip brings me to tears (although I rarely laugh)))
        You yourself raise the rating, trying to denigrate Putin and Russia ... wink
        Here you go, right to tears about your "brother" ..)))

        Old video, but I just fall under the table from laughter to tears crying
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 19
        0
        Quote: tatra
        Putin's propagandists in creating Putin's "personality cult" surpassed even the propagandists of the Soviet regime.

        By your logic, the anti-Putin propagandists in their anti-Putin propaganda outdid the propagandists of Soviet power.
        And for me, neither one nor the other is engaged in propaganda. Just share their opinions.
        Personally, I do not impose my opinion on anyone. hi
    4. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 18 June 2020 15: 36
      44 th
      Bollards attack ??? !!!

      Spit on their cons and nagging!
      Vote for constitutional amendments - vote for Russia.
      It's time to correct the Yeltsin mistakes.

      I will vote FOR !!!!
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 15: 41
        20
        That is, the opinion of people is not interesting for you, office hamsters? Besides you, whose feeders are happy with everyone, there are still millions of your fellow citizens who do not care about your opinion?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 18 June 2020 15: 48
          -2
          Any citizen votes on his own behalf, based on his own opinion. Herd instinct is inappropriate.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 June 2020 15: 50
          -8
          And how to understand this? And you do not care about his opinion? Each has his own choice and his own path. You want to choose it and the person is different somehow strange to shame him.
        3. Valery Valery
          Valery Valery 18 June 2020 15: 53
          21 th
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          That is, the opinion of people is not interesting for you, office hamsters? Besides you, whose feeders are happy with everyone, there are still millions of your fellow citizens who do not care about your opinion?

          We "office hamsters" with nine military services and a couple of commanders in the SAR just do not give a damn. We "hamsters" think for both children and grandchildren.
          PS as these leberastic Internet daredevils always touch me .....
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 18 June 2020 16: 04
            16 th
            "What we have to vote for on July 1"
            1. ZA- normal life ..
            2. PROTECT- As in the USSR for perestroika and the gangster 90s ...
            You wish in the 90s of the last century (they wanted to live there the same way as in Europe), but the picture turned out to be a bluff .. we got the collapse of the country. devastation. the loss of an entire generation of youth ... the choice is everyone ..
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 June 2020 19: 40
            14
            Quote: Valery Valery
            We "office hamsters" with nine military services and a couple of commanders in the SAR just do not give a damn.

            Between business trips to the SAR, do you write here, or straight from the trench? As there in the joke - "I am writing to you mom, from a burning tank"
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 45
            0
            Yes Yes. What do you think about your children and grandchildren. And so they are boldly ready to sacrifice the future of strangers.
          4. ventich62
            ventich62 20 June 2020 08: 05
            +5
            I have five business trips to Chechnya for both companies. And I am against the amendment to reset the deadlines. Also write to the liberalists?
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 13: 55
              -2
              Quote: ventich62
              I have five business trips to Chechnya for both companies. And I am against the amendment to reset the deadlines. Also write to the liberalists?

              But does this amendment make Putin president? Or is it an election?
        4. smart ass
          smart ass 18 June 2020 18: 35
          -4
          I work as an office hamster myself. Linear staff say you are there in the office sitting doing nothing grandmas get! I say duck, I’ll write a statement to the personnel reserve, you’ll get into the office, you will sit cross-legged ... and in response to me))) are you talking to the owner in the office for a report, but he doesn’t live long and stupid))) ) it turns out a person with an income of 60 million a month just does not pay money!))) and my work is simple they give me a million and I make two of it
        5. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 18 June 2020 23: 04
          -2
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          That is, the opinion of people is not interesting for you, office hamsters? Besides you, whose feeders are happy with everyone, there are still millions of your fellow citizens who do not care about your opinion?

          That is, the opinion of people is not interesting for you, office hamsters? Besides you, grant-eaters who are unhappy with everything, there are still millions of your fellow citizens who do not care about your opinion?
          Do not save you your Yeltsin constitution!
          VOTE FOR! soldier
        6. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 21
          -3
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          That is, the opinion of people is not interesting for you, office hamsters? Besides you, whose feeders are happy with everyone, there are still millions of your fellow citizens who do not care about your opinion?

          But you spit on those who disagree with you. Or can you?
      2. A good one
        A good one 18 June 2020 15: 45
        19 th
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Bollards attack ??? !!!

        Spit on their cons and nagging!
        Vote for constitutional amendments - vote for Russia.
        It's time to correct the Yeltsin mistakes.

        I will vote FOR !!!!

        I'm joining, buddy. hi
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 18 June 2020 18: 19
          13 th
          And I am with you. BEHIND!
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 18 June 2020 19: 19
            -7
            Definitely for! And the demand for the complete abolition of the American constitution for Russia!
            1. Taga
              Taga 18 June 2020 22: 33
              +5
              So we will win! And then we LIVE !!!
          2. snake
            snake 18 June 2020 20: 13
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And I am with you. BEHIND!

            Here is a squad of strikebreakers and scored ...

      3. businessv
        businessv 18 June 2020 18: 33
        15
        Quote: Valery Valery
        I will vote FOR !!!!

        And get at least another 16 years of oligarchy rule and no changes in our life and the life of the country!
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 18 June 2020 19: 29
          0
          As if under another president there would be no oligarchs?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 June 2020 00: 34
          -4
          Billionaires under another president and government will not disappear wherever they were, as they were and they will remain, and the number will grow as well as millionaires with the growth of the economy. Russia has been in a market economy for 30 years with all the consequences - and we don’t have any other this does not mean that Nendo can fight theft with corruption, fraud and tax evasion.
          1. businessv
            businessv 19 June 2020 12: 58
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            we have no other and never will be

            Namesake, why such pessimism ?! Everything is possible in this world! The Soviet Union is a good example of this. Perhaps we will return to socialism which, as it turned out, is not so bad! smile
        3. Hagen
          Hagen 19 June 2020 12: 07
          -4
          Quote: businessv
          Quote: Valery Valery
          I will vote FOR !!!!

          And get at least another 16 years of oligarchy rule and no changes

          And if you vote "against", what do you get in return? Do you think the most honest will come and begin to build ... socialism? Do you personally see who can come? Whom to bet on? Or maybe we will change these "oligarchs" for foreign ones, and generally hopelessness will come?
          1. businessv
            businessv 19 June 2020 13: 03
            +1
            Quote: Hagen
            Do you personally see who can come? Who to bet on?
            Of course I see! There are a lot of worthy and not indifferent people, only who will recommend them to you and show them on TV under the current government? Sitting now under house arrest awaiting prosecution and trial Platoshkin N.N. that is a vivid example. Type in a wiki, read about it, be surprised.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 19 June 2020 16: 18
              -1
              Quote: businessv
              Of course I see!

              It is necessary that it be seen not only by you, but by many, many other people. Those people who can then go and vote for him. And here I do not think that there are such "a dime a dozen".
              Quote: businessv
              only who will recommend them to you and show them on TV under the current regime?

              There is internet. Bulk out, broke through. Only the majority does not like him very much and does not inspire confidence. Actually, Platoshkin also does not inspire confidence. His reasoning on economic topics is very doubtful, although he sings in a bold manner. And this is understandable, he is a doctor of historical sciences. But with history he is not bad, but the economy must be given to economists. It is advisable for those who did not comprehend it in theory, but can also practice to confirm their innocence. In order to steer a large plant, or better, the region has withdrawn from donation to donors. And who we have a dime a dozen, so these are talkers of irresponsible.
              1. businessv
                businessv 19 June 2020 17: 05
                +1
                Quote: Hagen
                Actually, Platoshkin also does not inspire confidence. His reasoning on economic topics is very doubtful, although he sings in a bold manner.
                Well, I would not call it brainchild. In Soviet times, they prepared real diplomats who were obliged to understand all issues, including the economy. Quite logical and economically sound proposals and statements. Grudinin made socialism on his state farm; they know him and what? It will seem to you too not credible, I think. And so the majority argues, but then you should not complain and have to endure, while our government does all of us well, maybe this statement inspires confidence in you?
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 19 June 2020 17: 32
                  -2
                  Quote: businessv
                  In Soviet times, they prepared real diplomats who were obliged to understand all issues, including the economy.

                  Just in Soviet times, the "trial in the economy" was full of seams .... The economy of socialism in practice led a large and powerful state to collapse. I don’t know why you got the idea that the diplomats were somehow especially taught economics. Did you study there? Here is political economy - yes, I believe, they taught, like the history of the CPSU laughing
                  Quote: businessv
                  Grudinin made socialism on his state farm

                  Socialism was not close there ... Terry bourgeois, not quite honestly earned good money himself, and did not want to share with the hired workers. Therefore, only he from all over the "collective farm" had billions of dollars in accounts.
                  Quote: businessv
                  And so the majority argues,

                  Judging by the voices, yes.
                  Quote: businessv
                  but then you should not complain and have to endure, while our government does all of us well, maybe this statement inspires confidence in you?

                  Today, the people do not have that revolutionary drive, as in 1917. All the rebel couples went to the whistle (Internet) ... You can try to influence the current government. But evolution is always slow, but I want everything and rhinestones. laughing
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 19 June 2020 20: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Socialism did not stand there ...

                    I was counting on such an answer, to be honest. Have you been to the Grudinin state farm? So I personally was because I did not believe that this could be. And I made sure that kindergartens are free, education is at the expense of the state farm, if you stay in it to work, loans for housing are interest-free, on the arch of the gate there is a brass sign "No vacancies!" You call it "not standing next to"? You, like most, simply do not want improvements, therefore, you see everything the way you want, and not the way it is. Well, as for the training of our diplomats in the Soviet era, you have your finger in the sky!
                    just in Soviet times, the "trial in the economy" was full of seams .... The economy of socialism in practice led a large and powerful state to collapse.
                    Its leadership and our desire to please the West, to obtain "freedom" and "democracy" led to the collapse of the state. And MGIMO graduated excellent specialists, do not humiliate our education - it was the best in the world, do not forget about it. Although, you hardly know about this, judging by the posts. hi
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 19 June 2020 21: 24
                      -2
                      Quote: businessv
                      Its leadership and our desire to please the West, to obtain "freedom" and "democracy" led to the collapse of the state.

                      You definitely lived in the USSR in the 80s? Probably also Moscow? What is freedom and democracy? There was nothing in the country, despite the fact that everyone worked ... and produced something.
                      Quote: businessv
                      And MGIMO graduated excellent specialists, do not humiliate our education

                      And who says that MGIMO graduated from bad specialists. Just a diplomat is not an economist. He has a different purpose and preparation.
                      Quote: businessv
                      kindergartens - for free, education at the expense of the state farm, if you stay to work in it,

                      In fact, socialism differs from capitalism not in kindergartens, but in the right of ownership of the means of production. But you also hardly understand the essence of these differences. If you graduated from a university in the USSR, then this is an indicator of the quality of your education in the department of Marxism-Leninism. You yourself what finished, if not secret?
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 19 June 2020 22: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        In fact, socialism differs from capitalism not in kindergartens, but in the right of ownership of the means of production.
                        Have you heard about state capitalism? This is about ownership of the means of production. About social security? This is about kindergartens and education with medicine. Judging by the posts, you are unlikely to understand the nuances of macro and microeconomics, not to mention the economy as a whole, unlike diplomats. smile And do not talk in cliches about how bad it was in the Union!
                        You yourself what finished, if not secret?
                        I’m a construction engineer at TPPs and NPPs, it’s no secret, the Energy Institute, I have completed the Economics course in Germany, but this certainly has nothing to do with our discussion! And I definitely did not say that a diplomat is an economist. And you, apparently, a humanist, as far as I can judge. It’s not necessary to answer, it’s definitely useless!
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 June 2020 22: 52
                        0
                        Quote: businessv
                        Have you heard about state capitalism?

                        You re-read your posts periodically. This is yours:
                        Grudinin made socialism on his state farm,

                        I’m talking about Sredin’s socialism and I’m answering you. Why are you singing songs to me about state capitalism? I just thought that you are an engineer, and in humanitarian things you hack poorly, all the more so in such unfashionable ones as Marxism. And even if we follow Lenin's definition of socialism, the state-capitalist monopoly does not imply ownership of fixed assets only by the director and a limited circle of shareholders, in the absence of such rights from the rest of the hired workers. Therefore, I repeat once again, the "state farm named after Lenin" is not a zone of socialism. It's just that ZAO occupies very expensive land near Moscow and leases out part of it profitably, from which it gets good money. There are a lot of all sorts of muddy financial affairs. I don't go into them. I know one thing - the Grudinin beetle is still the same! I will not vote for him even in the elections of the house manager.
                        Quote: businessv
                        And I absolutely didn’t say that a diplomat is an economist

                        But at the same time, you claim that
                        In Soviet times, they prepared real diplomats who were obliged to understand all issues, including the economy.
                        therefore, Platoshkin has sufficient training to reason on economic topics. I want to note that overview topics on the economies of foreign countries are not at all equal to fundamental economic education. But if you really want to move Platoshkin, if he is not imprisoned for those nonsense that he carried in public space.
                        Quote: businessv
                        you are unlikely to understand the nuances of macro and microeconomics, not to mention the economy as a whole, unlike diplomats.

                        Well, you didn’t go far from me either in macro or micro. Yes, and in people you are not very. Something pulling you on dark horses. You don’t even want to understand that to offer someone to the post of president of such a huge and complex country as ours, without experience working with the region, is suicide. So build yourself what you can there. And even if your roof does not flow .... Do not climb into unfamiliar wilds without preliminary theoretical training.
                      3. businessv
                        businessv 20 June 2020 15: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Well, you didn’t go far from me either in macro or micro. Yes, and in people you are not very. Something pulling you on dark horses.
                        In your rhetoric, there is a clear reassessment of your knowledge and a tendency to use stubborn stamps for dubious statements. You are capable of only accusations, usually unsubstantiated, to profanation of the topic under discussion and to demagogy about things that you are poorly versed in. In your posts there is not a single answer to my questions, nor is there a single suggestion about our discussion.
                        Grudinin made socialism on his state farm,

                        I’m talking about stern socialism and I’m answering. Why are you singing songs about state capitalism?
                        Naturally, I wrote figuratively! It must be clear to every sane person that it is impossible to build socialism in a single village in a capitalist country! Good luck and please do not answer, you are not interesting to me! hi
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 20 June 2020 15: 32
                        0
                        Quote: businessv
                        You are only capable of accusations, usually not supported by anything, to profanation of the topic under discussion

                        Want to keep your last word? Will not work. I do not blame anyone without proof. And from the interlocutors I ask only for an explanation of the positions, if any. But you do not have them. You are in the clouds, in fantasies. You, as an engineer who worked in a real production facility, perfectly understand that the plasterer foreman cannot be immediately appointed chief engineer. It is necessary to go through some intermediate stages of growth. And you offer utopian solutions. And how do you get a critical answer, go to the accusations of personal qualities, which you can not judge for a little communication. Behind the imagery of statements, cover up a misunderstanding of the essence of the subject. I'm not going to evaluate you. Just hoped to hear a different reasoning for a reasonable view from a different perspective. But I’m not going to force myself. Do not want, your right ...
                      5. businessv
                        businessv 20 June 2020 21: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Want to keep your last word?
                        No, I don't care. I want the discussion to be constructive, therefore
                        Quote: Hagen
                        . And from the interlocutors I ask only for an explanation of the positions, if any. But you do not have them. You are in the clouds, in fantasies.
                        Prove it.
                        And you offer utopian solutions.
                        Give an example in my posts.
                        Behind the imagery of statements, cover up a misunderstanding of the essence of the subject.
                        An example in my posts. I wanted to save my time, but you are very persistent unfortunately. My position is different from your specifics. I believe that in order to be a president, a person does not have to be an economist or business executive, or to get three higher ones - for professional work in these sectors, professionals must be involved. It is enough to be an educated, intellectual, caring person, whose personal ambitions (as was the case with EBN) will not interfere with taking care of the good of the country entrusted to him. Now about you
                        Just in Soviet times, the "trial in the economy" was full of seams .... The economy of socialism in practice led a large and powerful state to collapse.
                        Who and with the help of what economy turned the country, in which the peasantry constituted 81%, into a "large and powerful state" that extended its influence over half of the world?
                        Platoshkin also does not inspire confidence. His reasoning on economic topics is very doubtful, although he sings in a bold manner. And this is understandable, he is a doctor of historical sciences.
                        Where did you hear that specifically embarrassed you to draw such a conclusion?
                        You yourself what finished, if not secret?
                        A similar question to you.
                        I want to note that overview topics on the economies of foreign countries are not at all equal to fundamental economic education.
                        This is what I call demagogy! This is understandable to any 9th grader; an adult is simply not worth writing it.
                        There is internet. Bulk out, broke through. Only the majority does not like him very much and does not inspire confidence.
                        Besides him, as I understand it, you have no one to propose for the presidency? Returning to the issue of education in the Union, the SVR recruited mainly MGIMO graduates, thanks to their training. Now there is a saying in the states that says a lot: "In American universities, Russian professors teach Chinese students." Once again, I ask: until you answer specifically my questions, please do not waste my time.
                      6. Hagen
                        Hagen 21 June 2020 10: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: businessv
                        I want the discussion to be constructive, therefore

                        I'm not against. Want to know why I think your proposals are utopian? Excuse me. On the presidency of Mr. Grudinin and Platoshkin. First, they do not have experience in managing large-scale industries or regions. Do you think there is no need for this? I disagree. A good person is not a profession. The neighbors had a good, as everyone thought, man came to the presidency with 75% support. And how do you like the first year of his work? But Ukraine is not Russia at all in its scale and scope. In addition, behind Grudin there is a murky judicial trail of deception of the co-founders of the shareholders of his native state farm by scams with the land of the enterprise. The amounts can be disputed, but the fact of dishonesty of the chairman in relation to colleagues could not be disputed. There is information about other not particularly beautiful things, such as complaints from workers about expulsion from their homes in connection with the death of family members who were workers of the state farm, or secret undeclared accounts in foreign banks. This is, if very short, and then, about the goodness of this guy, you can not argue at all unambiguously. Platoshkin. Was not noticed in the real sector of the economy. Runs the social movement For New Socialism. In the program of the movement there is such - "Crediting a part of export oil and gas revenues to the personal account of every Russian who has made contributions to the pension fund for 15 years or more ....." Tell me please, have you ever personally contributed something by your own will Anything in the FIU? I don't think you remember, because this function is entrusted to the employer, and its performance does not depend on the will of the employee. Why does Platoshkin want to discriminate against people whose employers violated the law and did not make contributions to the PFR? What are they guilty of? And here everything is simple. Trained in economics reviews at MGIMO, Platoshkin is obviously not aware of how the PFR is formed and allowed such a lapse in his program. This means that he is a good historian. I read some of his books, and even with interest. But his ideas about the economy as an industry are very superficial. His attempt to break through to the State Duma from the Khabarovsk Territory (who does he have to the Khabarovsk residents?) Was not appreciated by the locals and even "carried" him with the thought. Apparently, even for that, he was not convincing. Mind you, he did not make any claims to the posts of governors, where it is necessary to really plow and present the results of his work to Pres. But he could, well, at least he tried to convince people of his real desires to work for people, for the inhabitants of a part of Russia.
                        Quote: businessv
                        This is what I call demagogy!

                        In a public discussion in the definitions of any entities, I think that one should not adhere to one's own thoughts, but generally accepted definitions. Demagogy is a polemic with the help of false reasoning. Where is the lie?
                        Quote: businessv
                        Besides him, as I understand it, there is no one to propose to you as president?

                        Not at all. Well, I'm not his fan at all. laughing I cited Navalny as an example of how you can become recognizable without resorting to TV. No more.
                        Quote: businessv
                        Returning to the issue of education in the Union, the SVR recruited mainly MGIMO graduates into its ranks, precisely thanks to their training.

                        I don’t know how you determined the predominant involvement of MGIMO graduates in the Foreign Intelligence Service, but I agree that they don’t take me from the street to the foreign intelligence academy. MGIMO's trademark here plays a role not as a university, graduating specialists with a range of competencies, but as a company filtering out its students with the necessary qualities of interest to the SVR. For obvious reasons, you will not find personal files of SVR workers. But the mass of those who went through intelligence work and surfaced in the media space are far from MGIMOshniki. There are many graduates and other universities, specialists in engineering and humanitarian specialties. Sechin, Putin, Ivanov - Leningrad State University, Naryshkin - LenMekh, Bzaev - MVTU Bauman, Morozov - MVOKU, Lebedev - Kiev Polytechnic.
                        As for me, my first university is military, then oil, forestry and a little legal (3 courses).
                      7. businessv
                        businessv 21 June 2020 11: 53
                        -1
                        Thanks for the answer, the position is clear. You did not answer the basic question - who would you like to see as the President? You have chosen a win-win path of criticism of everyone and everyone, and I called it unconstructive. I am a pragmatist, so I’m sure that any of the people who today occupy a significant position in politics or in business can find a lot of things for which they can sit for a long time for their activities in
                        90s! The difference is only in the final goal, for which one or another did these things. This is about Grudinin. Regarding Platoshkin and his program, one can argue for a long time, some points really look like populism, not only payments, but also a banner and a lot of things, but a person is trying to do at least something, unlike many, and he has an absolutely adequate perception of himself and the situation as a whole . I repeat that I think these mistakes are not a flaw, this will be fixed by specially trained people, like-minded people who will certainly appear nearby if he starts working. In Khabarovsk he was driven by the Communists, with whom he had a preliminary agreement on support, but alas, ah ... that was quite predictable. Regarding the statement that a person must have leadership experience in the regions, I will give you an example from the same communists
                        former governor of the Irkutsk region, communist Sergey Levchenko. For four years, he doubled the budget revenues of the region, raised the virgin lands, pressed black loggers, forced the oligarchs to pay full taxes. And what is the result? Levchenko resigned under Kremlin pressure.
                        And did the GDP itself have experience managing the region? wink Well, if you are interested, you can read this https://svpressa.ru/politic/article/266846/?cba=1
                        Threat I almost forgot - about the primacy of the recruitment of mine workers in the Foreign Intelligence Service, infa from an insider, now a pensioner, whom I believe because he retired from the Kremlin corridors.
                      8. Hagen
                        Hagen 21 June 2020 13: 43
                        0
                        Quote: businessv
                        Who would you like to see as the President?

                        Unfortunately, today I do not see an alternative to GDP. Perhaps someone will take the initiative closer to the elections, but not so far. At one time, I assumed that the Communist Party would begin to work actively, but after Grudin I realized that the idea was not very smart (to hope for them).
                        Quote: businessv
                        Regarding Platoshkin and his program, one can argue for a long time, some points really look like populism,

                        In fact of the matter. Platoshkin is a master of colloquial genre, and his books are not bad. From that he was in a thought and was eager. Although he could have started with the regional government, as, by the way, Putin. Could work in the knowledge of theory in economic science. Especially in light of the fact that today it is trying to criticize precisely the economic steps of the government and the President. After all, maybe when he wants. As for the GDP, you yourself know that since the beginning of the 90s he has been closely working in the government of the subject, then the Russian Federation, and in the end it was approved by the Chairman.
                        For Shl. Memoir memories are not the most reliable source. Nevertheless, I agree with you, MGIMO was (and is) a very worthy institution. Collecting students from gold medal winners from all over Russia, it possesses a powerful potential, so it is no wonder that its graduates are in demand, including in the SVR. But this does not mean that they are jack of all trades. You understand that it is precisely because of Platoshkin's populism that he is unable to convince with economic specifics. In almost all speeches in the current economy, he sees only the "oil needle". There is no agricultural, there is no foundation on which the military-industrial complex "suddenly" flew today. We don't even have to expect an estimate of the collapse of the ruble. But this reception between Putin and Nabiullina became a protective barrier for the penetration of imports into our market and gave opportunities to domestic producers. By the way, this example was later used by the EU countries. And the United States made big claims to China when, following our example, it decided to sharply weaken the yuan. Those trained by "reviews" cannot correctly interpret events beyond the "GDP per capita" pendulum. Here you need to understand the depth of the laws of economics.
                      9. businessv
                        businessv 22 June 2020 11: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Those trained by "reviews" cannot correctly interpret events beyond the "GDP per capita" pendulum. Here you need to understand the depth of the laws of economics.
                        I finished the economics course in cap
                      10. businessv
                        businessv 22 June 2020 11: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Those trained by "reviews" cannot correctly interpret events beyond the "GDP per capita" pendulum. Here you need to understand the depth of the laws of economics.
                        I finished the economics course in cap. country, so I think I know the basics of a market economy, I'm afraid to disappoint you, but the GDP team is never more literate than Platoshkin. The system they created is vicious at its core. Read the articles of Professor V. Katasonov, this will fill the gaps in your knowledge regarding our economy. https://svpressa.ru/authors/valentin-katasonov/
                      11. Hagen
                        Hagen 22 June 2020 19: 52
                        0
                        Quote: businessv
                        I finished the economics course in cap. the country

                        It is noticeable by the proposal for the presidency of not quite suitable personalities. There is such a Western fad that a sales manager can run a hospital, for example. I also listened to similar courses with the "basics" of economy and management. There are more of them in the West than we have, but there is only one problem - their ideas do not "fly" with us. And they themselves are not very ... Especially, judging by the behavior of the main guardians of the market.
                        Quote: businessv
                        Read the articles of Professor V. Katasonov

                        You can read Katasonov, you can read Glazyev. What is behind them except books and lectures at universities? They are pure theorists, whom, incidentally, are also criticized ... however, the same.
                        Quote: businessv
                        GDP team is never more competent than Platoshkin

                        After the economics course, of course, you have the same qualifications that allow you to evaluate both Platoshkin and the GDP team. Although all these verbal battles are about nothing. Want another team on the throne? No problem, vote and come to an end. You can even suggest a colleague with a complex alphanumeric nickname. It just matches your idea of ​​a worthy candidate. Bye...
                      12. businessv
                        businessv 22 June 2020 20: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        No problem, vote and come to an end.
                        Thanks for the advice, I'll do it! What would I do without you? hi
                        I also listened to similar courses with the "basics" of economy and management.
                        It's ridiculous! I did not listen to them, I studied economics to work in a German enterprise, then I passed my qualifications. You are in your repertoire - I heard a ringing ....
                        Although all these verbal battles are about nothing.
                        This is what I wrote to you in my second post - do not bother to answer in view of the futility of our dialogue.
                        Bye...
                        have a nice one you too! smile
    5. Liam
      Liam 19 June 2020 22: 53
      -2
      Quote: businessv
      I’m a construction engineer at TPPs and NPPs, it’s no secret, the Energy Institute, I also completed the Economics course in Germany

      Embroider with a cross too?
    6. businessv
      businessv 20 June 2020 15: 05
      0
      Quote: Liam
      Embroider with a cross too?

      Do you have a suggestion? laughing A textile worker, or just a lover of stupid questions?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 47
    -2
    Do you want to say the most honest have already come? All the same, you are an enchanting, far-fetched demagogue.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 20 June 2020 06: 19
      +1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Do you want to say the most honest have already come?

      I want to say that those who come to replace are unlikely to be more honest and professional than those who are today. But in any case, they will be more hungry. In addition, I would like to ask, whose honesty do you doubt? Surnames, grounds? When we change, for example, a car, we clearly know what we don’t like in the old one, and for what characteristics we choose what we buy. In the case of a claim to a change of leadership, I think the logic should be about the same. Is not it so? At the same time, we can do without a car for some time, but it is unlikely to leave the country for a long time without a government.
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      All the same, you are an enchanting, far-fetched demagogue.

      Demagogy (dr. Greek. misleading the audience and persuade her to her side with false theoretical reasoningbased on logical errors (sophisms). Now tell me, please, where do I have false reasoning? Only desirable on points and specifically. I’m thinking that you are manifesting childish headlessness. Reason: you unreasonably consider all leaders to be honest people, and do not provide any evidence of your allegations. Those. you intend to carry out serious matters (changing the leadership of the country) solely on emotional grounds, without making efforts to comprehend these actions, as well as the difficulties of replacing retired elements of the system, which is typical for people with elements of critical and perspective thinking (adolescence).
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 08: 37
        -3
        Quote: Hagen
        Reason: you unreasonably consider all leaders to be honest people,

        Horseradish demagoguery. Try again. So far, not very good. I can do that too. Do you consider all current leaders unconditionally honest? laughing
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 21 June 2020 10: 30
          -1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Do you consider all current leaders unconditionally honest?

          First, there is no need to "poke" a stranger. Secondly, I hold to the benefit of the doubt. A person is presumed innocent until his guilt in a committed crime is proved in the manner prescribed by law and established by a court verdict that has entered into legal force. The basic principle of the presumption of innocence reads: "The burden of proving criminal guilt lies with the prosecutor." You want to say that they (our leaders) are not honest - prove it.
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          I can do that too.

          Demonstrate ...
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 22 June 2020 00: 33
            -3
            Quote: Hagen
            Show off

            How sad you are. Do not pretend to be more stupid than you are. Mackerel
            Quote: Hagen
            First, there is no need to "poke" a stranger.

            You know how I do not care. And you're not so unfamiliar. You dull demagogues at the cost of a penny a bunch on a market day, I have seen so much in my lifetime that I'm already sick of you.
            Quote: Hagen
            A person shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty of a crime in the manner prescribed by law

            I don’t even know how to poke you in the face of your demagoguery or not. Perhaps I'll poke a little. I am thoroughly lazy to disassemble everything. And actually, what does the presumption of innocence and the law have to do with it? It was about honesty, but again you are trying to divert the conversation away. You are not talking shkolota here with adult smart uncles, these methods do not work well. Go teach, train. laughing
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 22 June 2020 10: 12
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              you are talking with smart adults uncle

              The first definition is not about you, but the second did not stand by.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 22 June 2020 20: 29
                -2
                Disappear already ignorant.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 21 June 2020 10: 25
        -1
        Quote: Hagen
        which is typical for people with elements of critical and perspective thinking (adolescence).

        I ask you to forgive me generously, I missed the "not" !!! Should read: what is characteristic of people NOT possessing elements of critical and perspective thinking (adolescence) hi
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 22 June 2020 00: 36
          -3
          Quote: Hagen
          I apologize generously

          I forgive generously. In the hope that you are smarter and better.
    2. businessv
      businessv 20 June 2020 21: 10
      0
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      All the same, you are an enchanting, far-fetched demagogue.

      No, colleague, he is not only a demagogue - he reminds me of a person who really wants to talk, but in most cases does not know what exactly, hence sometimes complete nonsense! But judging by his posts and answers, he comes here as a job, sometimes trolling.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 24
    -2
    Quote: businessv
    Quote: Valery Valery
    I will vote FOR !!!!

    And get at least another 16 years of oligarchy rule and no changes in our life and the life of the country!

    Yes, from 1999 to 2020 no changes. wassat
    1. businessv
      businessv 20 June 2020 21: 29
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Yes, from 1999 to 2020 no changes.

      Your irony is understandable, colleague! Any person (and the President is an ordinary person) has a limit of actions, after which he cannot offer anything new, not only because he "burned out", but also because there is a team of people who simply will not allow him to do what - or that can harm them. What's new in our country from 2010 to the present time, except that Norilsk Nickel has become a foreign company, and Gazprom is threatened with non-fulfillment of obligations on the Power of Siberia and cost overruns of 1,5 trillion?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 21 June 2020 09: 58
        -1
        Quote: businessv
        or that could harm them. What's new in our country from 2010 to the present,

        Look at the site "Made by Us". Of course, both you and I would like more, but alas.
        As for Norilsk Nickel and Gazprom, these are not state-owned companies.
        It is impossible to defend the honor of deceived girls under the laws of a brothel.
        1. businessv
          businessv 21 June 2020 11: 04
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Look at the site "Made by us".

          I visit there regularly, at least somehow I recognize positive trends! smile
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 18 June 2020 20: 23
    +7
    Quote: Valery Valery
    It's time to correct the Yeltsin mistakes.

    These are the right words.
    It is a pity that you cannot vote on each amendment separately.
    Then much more people would be able to fulfill their civic duty honestly and without any doubt.
  • Taga
    Taga 18 June 2020 22: 30
    0
    If it were not for the package to vote, what changes would support, and which vice versa?
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar 18 June 2020 15: 43
    19
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    For Putin

    In general, yes. For the notorious zeroing, as well as a life-long sitting in the Federation Council at the end of the presidency (in the company of 6 of the same "unsinkable" friends), which may turn out to be more abrupt than the president's status.

    Quote: Mavrikiy
    which means for Russia

    The rest of Russia, alas, got much less specific "buns". It's just that a number of norms will migrate from different Federal Laws to the constitution. How exactly this will affect their, let's say, "performance" is unknown; apparently not. In general and in general, it is just an appearance of concern for the rest of the population too (apart from the guarantor).
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 35
      -2
      Quote: Kalmar
      In general, yes. For the notorious zeroing,

      Zeroing does not force anyone to vote for Putin in the next election.
      Liberasts specifically distract you with this point from very important and necessary amendments to the Yeltsin’s Constitution, written under the dictation of mattresses.
      Quote: Kalmar

      as well as a life-long meeting in the Federation Council after the presidency (in company 6 of the same

      Those. Want to say that experienced people in the Federation Council are not needed? Will they bring harm? Is it better to have athletes, lawyers, journalists, artists there?
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 20 June 2020 09: 45
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Zeroing does not force anyone to vote for Putin in the next election.

        To which we will again be taken out by grandfather, Zhirinovsky and a couple of obscure types that will arise a couple of months before the election and disappear immediately after (remember Andrei Bogdanov from the 2008 election?)?

        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Liberasts specifically distract you with this point from very important and necessary amendments to the Yeltsin’s Constitution, written under the dictation of mattresses.

        This, excuse me, which ones? What are three of your favorites)

        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Those. Want to say that experienced people in the Federation Council are not needed?

        I want to say that membership in government bodies, especially at such a high level, should be determined by qualifications and professionalism, and not the ability to perform biological functions. From this point of view, any "lifetime" membership is a rollback to the Middle Ages.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 10: 24
          -1
          Quote: Kalmar

          To which we will again be taken out by grandfather, Zhirinovsky and a couple of obscure types that will arise a couple of months before the election and disappear immediately after (remember Andrei Bogdanov from the 2008 election?)?

          Well, propose your candidacy. Not a grandfather, known to all, experienced, etc.
          What is the catch? And that neither you. neither do I know this.
          Quote: Kalmar

          This, excuse me, which ones? What are three of your favorites)

          I in my own words:
          1. The ban on the rejection of the territory of the Russian Federation.
          2. The prevalence of Russian laws over international.
          3. The ban on civil servants to have dual citizenship and have accounts in foreign banks.
          Enough? You asked for three, but I could continue.
          Quote: Kalmar

          I want to say that membership in government bodies, especially of such a high level, should be determined by qualifications and professionalism,

          You want to say that the president who has resigned has the wrong qualifications and professionalism? I am embarrassed to ask - who then has both? You? lol
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 20 June 2020 10: 48
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            What is the catch? And that neither you. neither do I know this.

            It seems to me that if among the 140 million people in 20 years no one more worthy was found, then the matter is either unclean or just completely rubbish. When Vova will end completely, how will we live?

            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            1. The ban on the rejection of the territory of the Russian Federation.

            "Crimea-not-our" is afraid, of course. True, it is still possible there, within the framework of redemarcation of borders, that a loophole (just in case) remains.

            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            2. The prevalence of Russian laws over international.

            According to statistics, about 25% of the decisions of the ECHR are implemented in our country. In general, in internal affairs on international laws, we had previously laid out a device with a parting.

            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            3. The ban on civil servants to have dual citizenship and have accounts in foreign banks.

            As far as I remember, it was still in the 67th Federal Law. And how did it help? If so, then why is it in the constitution. If not, then rearrangement of beds is unlikely to fix the situation.

            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            You want to say that the president who has resigned has the wrong qualifications and professionalism?

            I want to say that a person should hold a position as long as he matches it, and as long as there is no better candidate. Dot. Times are constantly changing, experience and knowledge may lose their relevance, not everyone knows how to adapt to the ongoing changes. I am already silent that any person in old age can simply fall into insanity. So "lifelong" is good for decorative positions (like Queen of Great Britain); in all other cases, it is beneficial exclusively to the "lifelong" herself. This, it seems to me, is obvious.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 13: 40
              -3
              Quote: Kalmar
              It seems to me if among 140 million people in 20 years there weren’t

              I am sure that he is not alone. But the trouble is, I repeat, we do not know them!
              Therefore, your words are about nothing. Bunch into the water. Bulbashki went, but what besides them?
              Quote: Kalmar
              "Crimea-not-our" is afraid, of course.

              You don’t understand anything. How much land is given to the Chinese? And the shelf Norwegians and mattresses? But there would be a ban on this in the Constitution, and that’s all, both of them would lick. And it was not without reason that they remembered the talks and the Khrushchev declaration on the Kuril Islands. But in that declaration, it is precisely about the transfer of two islands.
              Quote: Kalmar
              According to statistics, about 25% of the decisions of the ECHR are implemented in our country.

              And I want 0%. And is it just the case at the ECHR?
              Quote: Kalmar
              As far as I remember, it was still in the 67th Federal Law.

              So somehow it was not so. I do not know. I know that did not help, if it was.
              Quote: Kalmar

              I want to say that a person should hold a position as long as he corresponds to it, and until there is no better candidate.

              Our song is good, start over. Discovered America, Captain Obvious
              Who determines whether it matches or not? Who! You?
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 20 June 2020 23: 41
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Therefore, your words are about nothing. Bunch into the water. Bulbashki went, but what besides them?

                Maybe we still will not get personal?

                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                How much land is given to the Chinese? And the shelf Norwegians and mattresses? But there would be a ban on this in the Constitution, and that’s all, they would lick both.

                First of all, did Solntseky organize this attraction of unprecedented generosity? Secondly, read the amendments carefully: with demarcation / re-demarcation of borders, land alienation is still possible. Let me remind you: we gave the land to the Chinese precisely under this pretext.

                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And I want 0%. And is it just the case at the ECHR?

                Is it your favorite number, or have you read those decisions and fundamentally disagree with them? And who else, besides the evil ECHR, encroaches on our sovereignty?

                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                So somehow it was not so. I do not know. I know that did not help, if it was.

                Well, you open the law and read it. And if we admit that even the Federal Laws are not implemented in our country, and only the constitution is held in high esteem by even the most cunning bureaucrats, then let's bring all the other laws and codes into it, darling. You look, and indeed the rule of law will succeed.

                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Who determines whether it matches or not? Who! You?

                Including. There is such a thing - "elections" are called. And a number of other mechanisms, to one degree or another, ensure the elimination of inappropriate personnel. These principles apply everywhere, in all areas; I see no reason to make an exception for a select few, no matter how warm your feelings for one of them.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 21 June 2020 09: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: Kalmar

                  Firstly, didn’t Solntseky organize this attraction?

                  And now what? No need to accept the land transfer amendment?
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  upon demarcation / re-demarcation of borders, land alienation

                  Demarcation is carried out after negotiations. But the amendment records a ban on any alienation negotiations. So, with demarcation, only an increment of the territory is possible.
                  Quote: Kalmar

                  Is it your favorite number, or have you read those decisions and fundamentally disagree with them?

                  But what difference does it make to me - the ECtHR made the right decision or not? We will figure it out ourselves. Without any ECHR. Would you like it if I interfere with your family? You will send anyone who tries to do this even in words. And rightly so.
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  Including. There is such a thing - "elections" are called.
                  I want to say that a person should hold a position as long as he corresponds to it, and until there is no better candidate.

                  Oh well. You have decided that Putin does not correspond to the position. And that there is a better candidate. You said - "There is such a thing -" elections "are called. And a number of other mechanisms, to one degree or another ensure the elimination of inappropriate personnel. These principles operate everywhere, in all areas; I see no reason to make an exception for a few."
                  Are you sure that the elections really "ensure the elimination of inappropriate personnel"? Or do you just want to?
                  Take our neighbor - there, while there were 2 presidents in Russia, the sixth ruled in Ukraine. Each time the election is screened out inappropriate, and what is the result? Ask ordinary people in Ukraine - are they satisfied? But there the presidents change every 4 years, that is, what you dream about. AND?
                  That's why I am opposed to a change of president for the sake of a change.
                  So I take, let’s say, the governor, I look at his biography, and it says there - he served in the army, was in hot spots, graduated from high school, went from technologist to director of the plant, was elected there and there, worked as a deputy. Minister, works as governor, turned 60 years old. I didn’t, didn’t. Here I would vote for him. By the way, in Ukraine under Yanukovych it became a little better than under Yushchenko. But this is not because - Yanukovych, but because - Azarov was the prime minister.
                  P.C. I do not feel any reverence for the Darkest. But I do not forget his merits.
                  I’m not writing to convince anyone of something. Just expressing my opinion. I like it when they disagree with me reasonably.
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 21 June 2020 12: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And now what? No need to accept the land transfer amendment?

                    Conceptually: no difference. She doesn't really affect anything.

                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    But the amendment records a ban on any alienation negotiations.

                    No, it is not written, read carefully part 2 of article 67. These restrictions do not apply to delimitation, demarcation and re-marking.

                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Would you like it if I interfere with your family? You will send anyone who tries to do this even in words. And rightly so.

                    You have no such authority. But there are higher authorities (guardianship authorities, for example), which have: in case the solution of problems "family-like" goes beyond the permissible. But, as I have already noted, the de facto amendment on international law does not change much anyway.

                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Are you sure that the elections really "ensure the elimination of inappropriate personnel"?

                    No, not sure. But it gives principled the possibility of dropping out. Which is useful, including for the very choice: he understands that in order to maintain his position he needs to work, and not just stay alive.

                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    So I take, let’s say, the governor, I look at his biography, and it says there - he served in the army, was in hot spots, graduated from high school, went from technologist to director of the plant, was elected there and there, worked as a deputy. Minister, works as governor, turned 60 years old. I didn’t, didn’t. Here I would vote for him.

                    Excellent. You have chosen him for life. And he relaxed with joy: he was not doing anything useful, he was not eager to work, because he would not go anywhere from his chair. Or he sang with some bad people and now works in their interests, and not in yours. Or just senile encephalopathy knocked down. But there is no way to remove him: he was appointed for life, so only feet first. Such a prospect, as for me.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 21 June 2020 13: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      Conceptually: no difference. She doesn't really affect anything.

                      Are you sure? Why then take it? Why then did Mashkov’s proposal itself be included in the list of amendments? They would say - this is not necessary, since there is a Federal Law.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      No, it is not written, read carefully part 2 of article 67.

                      "" Article 67
                      1. The territory of the Russian Federation includes the territories of its subjects, inland waters and territorial sea, airspace above them.
                      "" 2. The Russian Federation has sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction on the continental shelf and in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation in the manner determined by federal "law" and the norms of international law.
                      "" 3. The boundaries between the subjects of the Russian Federation may be changed with their mutual consent.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      You have no such authority. But there are higher ones

                      He asked if you would like it. (Interfering with your family.)
                      Quote: Kalmar

                      No, not sure. But this gives a fundamental possibility of screening. What is useful, including for the most selectable: he

                      I do not understand, but who took this opportunity from you? What, the presidential election is canceled? Canceled local government elections?
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      You have chosen him for life.

                      What a fright? Where is it written in the amendments ???
                      Sorry, dear, but what do you smoke?
                    2. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 22 June 2020 00: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Are you sure? Why then take it?

                      It seems, just to "dilute" the most important amendments: about zeroing the president and all kinds of guarantees for him after leaving the presidency. Otherwise it will be too striking that the constitution is ruled solely for the sake of a quiet old age of the grandfather.

                      According to article 67:
                      Actions (except for delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states)aimed at the alienation of part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed.

                      This is a proposed amendment.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      He asked if you would like it. (Interfering with your family.)

                      Well no, so what?

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      I do not understand, but who took this opportunity from you? What, the presidential election is canceled? Canceled local government elections?

                      No, but it's strange that everyone is appointed / elected in one way or another, and only Vova and 7 of his dearest friends will become members of the Federation Council for life (Article 95, Part 2, items "b" and "c"). A sort of unsinkable team in one of the highest bodies of state power, which, if anything, has the right to dismiss the current president.
                    3. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 22 June 2020 10: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      for him after leaving the presidents. Otherwise, it will be too evident that the constitution is ruled solely for the sake of a calm old age grandfather.

                      Do you think that without these amendments, his old age would be hectic?
                      Will he have a small pension? His oligarch friends have not yet cast off for a comfortable old age for him, his children and grandchildren? I do not believe in this. On the contrary, I’m sure that he will be able to go fishing, retire for amphorae, fly a hang glider in retirement. If he wants to.
                      Therefore, if he seeks to remain in power, then there must be good reasons. What kind? There are two versions. 1.Your, - to make us all feel bad, and to friends it is good, and 2. mine ,, - in order to maintain our chosen course.
                      He is not sure that this course will be retained by his successor. And you and I do not know - a change in course, it will be good or bad.
                      And, like any other person, he is confident in the correctness of his chosen course.
                      We don’t know much. We are trying to solve a problem with three unknowns, and, based on experience, we think that the answer will be negative.
                      We assume that if there were someone else in his place, then everything would have been much better, and you and I would have been in chocolate. Alas, regardless of who the president is, under the DICTATORSHIP of the BOURGEOISE, everything will be as it is, with slight fluctuations in one direction or another.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      Well no, so what?

                      And then. The ECHR will never take the side of the defendant, i.e. Of Russia. He will always take the side of the plaintiff. And if, for example, the state squeezes Gozman tomatoes and he appeals to the ECHR, the ECHR will take the side of Gozman, because Gozman harms Russia. And I don’t like it like that.
                      Even if the state “offended” me, I will not submit to my state in the ECHR court.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      life members of the Federation Council (article 95, part 2, paragraphs "b" and "c").

                      I was not given the opportunity to read the full text of the amendments. But I don’t understand why you were so scared by your life in ex-ex. the president?
                    4. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 22 June 2020 10: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Do you think that without these amendments, his old age would be hectic?

                      How will he leave power - yes. If only because the next president has to clean up the "inherited" mess - how can you resist and not blame the predecessor for everything? We already went through this: first we create a cult of personality, then we violently debunk it. So it is unlikely that Vova is going to calmly dig into his garden.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Therefore, if he seeks to remain in power, then there must be good reasons. What kind? There are two versions. 1.Your, - to make us all feel bad, and to friends it is good, and 2. mine ,, - in order to maintain our chosen course.

                      First, I am not saying that he has a goal to make us feel bad. It's just a side effect of making friends feel good. Secondly, my and your version do not contradict each other in any way))

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      And, like any other person, he is confident in the correctness of his chosen course.

                      Yes, I do not mind, let him be sure of anything. But others are not obliged to share his confidence. If he is not ready to put up with this, this is no reason to fit into the basic law of the country.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      The ECHR will never take the side of the defendant, i.e. Of Russia.

                      First, not all decisions are made in favor of the defendant. Secondly, why did you decide that there were no real human rights violations? The mantra "Europa is always against us", of course, simplifies everything, but "simple" does not mean "right."

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Read the full text of the amendments I was not given

                      "I have not read it, but I approve"?

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      But I don’t understand why you were so frightened by your life in ex-ex. the president?

                      Well, you read what SF is and what powers it has. This is a very big power. Why it should not be issued for life, I already painted above. In fact, whoever becomes president after Vova (or they can put another one to imitate democracy), ruling the country will still be a tandem (as in 2008-2012).
                    5. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 22 June 2020 11: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      cult of personality, then we violently debunk it. So calmly delve into his garden Vova hardly shines.

                      If the humpbacked one is sleeping calmly, then Vova has nothing to fear at all.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      - This is not a reason to get into the basic law of the country.

                      Do you think the constitution is unshakable?
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      Firstly, not all decisions are made in favor of the defendant.

                      I have not heard of this.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      Secondly, why did you decide that there really were no human rights violations?

                      Well, you, I don’t think so. Therefore, he wrote that I would not file a complaint with the ECHR, even if the state offended me very much.
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      "I have not read it, but I approve"?

                      Not certainly in that way. I know the general meaning. However, I will not deny that "the devil is in the details"
                      Quote: Kalmar

                      Well, you read what SF is and what powers it has. This is a very big power.

                      SF is 187 people. Of these, only 17 are people of the president. The decision is made collectively. What is the danger?
                      Do you think that 170 people do not have their own opinion or they will not (be afraid) to defend it and will always agree with the desire of the ex-president and his 16 dependent?
                      Why do you think they are worse than yourself?
                    6. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 22 June 2020 11: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      If the humpbacked one is sleeping calmly, then Vova has nothing to fear at all.

                      I don’t know how calm his dream is. And in those years when there was a time to take stock of his activities, it was not up to him. It is far from a fact that Vova is lucky in the same way. So, to be safe from immunity and a good position is very useful.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Do you think the constitution is unshakable?

                      I suppose that if each president falsifies it for himself, this will greatly depreciate her. So our rule of law will not happen for a long time.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      I have not heard of this.

                      Internet to help.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Not certainly in that way. I know the general meaning. However, I will not deny that "the devil is in the details"

                      The general meaning conveyed in the media is very, very general. On some amendments (zeroing and post-presidential buns) they try not to focus attention. In any case, I recommend that you carefully read it, because it is still a constitution: every word there has a very great meaning.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      SF is 187 people. Of these, only 17 are people of the president. The decision is made collectively. What is the danger?

                      The fact that the ex-president and his personal guard of the seven elected is a lifelong team. They, unlike others, cannot be removed, which opens up wide opportunities for them in terms of various kinds of manipulations.

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Why do you think they are worse than yourself?

                      Rather, I believe that they should not be worse than the former president and his team. There is simply no reason for this.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 18 June 2020 16: 52
    +9
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    What we have to vote for on July 1
    fool For Putin, and therefore for Russia. request

    Hooray !!! lol
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 10: 26
      -2
      Quote: Dead Day
      Hooray !!!

      In your opinion, Russia consists of such and ----- in the photo, what did you post here?
  • Taga
    Taga 18 June 2020 22: 26
    +1
    The best joke in the entire discussion thread! Bravo! good
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 June 2020 15: 08
    31
    There is no single amendment - guaranteeing the implementation of all the other "wonderful" amendments!
    1. private person
      private person 18 June 2020 15: 19
      25
      There is no single amendment - guaranteeing the implementation of all the other "wonderful" amendments!

      The main amendment is not the impunity of the president, that is, I am doing what I want.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 15: 44
        17
        That's what I will vote against.
    2. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 18: 35
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      guaranteeing the implementation of all other "wonderful" amendments!

      Yeah, as well as amendments on personal responsibility for their failure to comply!
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 June 2020 09: 47
        -3
        Quote: businessv
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        guaranteeing the implementation of all other "wonderful" amendments!

        Yeah, as well as amendments on personal responsibility for their failure to comply!

        You wish. so that all this is written in the Constitution? fool
        Hmm, and these people are also discussing the amendments. Who spoke about the responsibility of citizens?
        But these - the leader of the redskins and businessv able to take responsibility?
        They do not even understand what the Constitution is, since they propose to introduce such a thing there. But, foaming at the mouth, "discussing" it
        1. businessv
          businessv 20 June 2020 15: 12
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          They do not even understand what the Constitution is, since they propose to introduce such a thing there. But, foaming at the mouth, "discussing" it

          Sorry to spray you! Such an understanding! So uncomfortable! I’ll try to avoid foam at my mouth anymore! You, in turn, learn to distinguish irony from sentences, and even write in the affirmative that you misunderstood, it will be very useful for you!
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 18 June 2020 15: 16
    24
    WAH!
    "! But if this requirement is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the problem will be solved quickly enough."

    Vote, and the same people who used to ruin health care, pensions, and the like, by a wave of a magic wand, will fix everything, and improve, and "overpower" !!!!

    Shoot for the crimes of liars !!!!
  • Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 18 June 2020 15: 19
    +5
    I think that "THERE" has already decided everything for us and "voted" yes
  • Romey
    Romey 18 June 2020 15: 21
    +8
    I categorically refuse to participate in a theatrical production, pursuing a single goal, for life-long preservation of the power of a single person, and therefore the current system as a whole. This is below the dignity of a free person and citizen who is not hypocritically loving his Motherland.
    1. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: romey
      This is below the dignity of a free person and citizen who is not hypocritically loving his Motherland.
      Therefore, we must go and vote against!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 50
        -4
        Do not. But to whom am I saying this? You need at least a count on your head.
  • Far B
    Far B 18 June 2020 15: 23
    26
    Yes. Simply spelled out in laws, in codes, these norms do not apply. It is necessary to introduce them into the Constitution. I have already proposed - and I will once again offer, since such a booze has begun - let's introduce all the codes to the heap in the Constitution? Civil, housing, family, well, etc. times in the form of a code they do not work? No, but what? Although our guarantor of the Constitution at the inauguration itself does not seem to have a hand at all, but put another organ, but suddenly it works?
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 15: 46
      25
      Don’t say, Mikhail. Let’s introduce the Rules of the Road into the Constitution, it’s important to me. We’ve arranged a circus with horses from the Main Law of the country.
      1. Far B
        Far B 18 June 2020 15: 50
        19
        And also so that pedestrians do not stomp the track! We have a physical education about this at school ate all the baldness. Oh, the glorious 80s!
        1. balunn
          balunn 18 June 2020 16: 03
          +8
          and register the gods of all ....
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 June 2020 19: 41
            +5
            Quote: balunn
            and register the gods of all ....

            and Gozman, and other liberals, will be banned lol
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 June 2020 15: 53
      12 th
      So it’s hard to drive into the search - the difference between constitutional and public laws and study the issue?
      1. Far B
        Far B 18 June 2020 16: 02
        19
        Forgive me my ignorance, but what are social laws? (Except for some commandments there)? Any law is a legal norm that guides the state judicial system. All. There is no other way. If they do not work in codes, then they will not work in the Constitution.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 June 2020 23: 35
          -4
          The general concept of those laws that you have listed. As for whether they will earn money or not, in my life I think that it is better to try and regret than regret that I did not try.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 52
            -3
            Already 30 years of trying. Jumping on a rake is not tired yet?
    3. Taga
      Taga 18 June 2020 23: 30
      +2
      And split into different volumes, civil volume, housing, etc.
  • tatra
    tatra 18 June 2020 15: 23
    12
    The constitution of the State is made up of those who own the country, and their Constitution is what they themselves promise to do. And does anyone seriously believe that the enemies of the Communists who captured Russia, after this constitutional amendment, will start to do something differently than they did all these 30 years?
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 June 2020 15: 25
    10
    medical care anywhere in the country should be approximately the same.


    Well, it’s free now and is about the same. That is, no.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 June 2020 15: 25
    +9
    Domokles (Staver)! This is not the first article about voting, and they constantly write to us that our vote does not decide anything, you don't have to go anywhere! And when the hell will our voice really decide something? With our indifference, we totally gave the country into the hands of those who for decades can only do one thing - to feed us free noodles! Well, we are sitting at home, but when and how can we change the economic and social situation in the country! It is high time to understand that indifference as a means of political self-isolation does nothing good for the country! On the contrary, political activity at all levels is needed! The local tatuped does not protect the interests of the people - to demand his immediate withdrawal with the annulment of his mandate! We have the right to demand, but we do not use it to the maximum! That is, to demand the whole country, constantly, until the result, the abolition or vice versa, the implementation of certain laws! With silence, we ate the pension reform! By their inertia, they "ate" the possibility of canceling or suspending this anti-popular law! On the contrary, it is necessary to actively and decisively demand the observance of all articles of the Constitution at all levels of government! To show the authorities with our resolute active life position that the people are not an inert mechanism, that our rights should not come, this is the process that moves the economy and social sphere of the country! Obligations of the Kremlin to strictly observe ALL our failures! And by silence we will never achieve anything.
    1. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 15: 49
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      Obligations of the Kremlin to strictly observe ALL our failures! And by silence we will never achieve anything.

      Strong! good And most importantly - right!
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 18 June 2020 16: 20
      +9
      To do this, you need to massively take to the streets, and this is not. They will write everyone into terrorists or in bulk, liberalists, etc. to the enemies of Russia, in general. With predictable consequences.
      And individually, a deputy of any level, you will recall before the end of his term of office. Some have already tried, I know of those. And bureaucrats tried to hold them accountable. Bummer came out. 30 years old, matured, adjusted the system. Either conscience or fear. The first is not about these, the second is not about the current generation. The authorities will not be able to force. And voting is a fiction. Firstly, everyone has already accepted and signed, and secondly, they will not even count, they will announce all the cases. As with the presidential elections
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 18 June 2020 17: 05
        +6
        And voting is a fiction.
        ... Remember, when they adopted the amendment to extend the presidential term, no one called us to uraniums .. Type, let's all the people approve .. smile
    3. domokl
      18 June 2020 17: 28
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      And by silence we will never achieve anything.

      I agree with your conclusions. We really gave the country away with our khataskraznost ... Why vote if "there" everything was decided for us ... That is why we decided that we exchanged the opportunity to express our opinion for a barbecue with vodka. And in this particular case, I have one more thought. In a strange way, the calls for a boycott of the vote and Western voices now coincide. It is strange why seemingly irreconcilable enemies united ...
      The tale about zeroing Putin's deadlines is only suitable for illiterate boys. Putin is not a machine. He is an old man and his "motor resource" is running out. I don’t think that in 4 years he will dare to step once more into this river called the presidency. More likely to be Nazarbayev 2.
      Those who do not go to vote with ordinary mice. How many times over the years I heard from completely different people the phrase: -I did not vote for Putin .. And what? Has your boycott changed anything?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 18 June 2020 18: 57
        10
        Has your boycott changed anything?
        ... Here, you are wrong .. changed, but for the worse ... When the candidate against everyone began to win, he was removed ... when the people stopped going to the polls, the percentage of attendance was removed, when they began to vote for new parties, being afraid competition, as well as the fact that small parties are organized into something more, introduced a 5% barrier, I will make a reservation it was much earlier ... the first two decisions .. Why .. the authorities took all possible measures against expressing distrust of it .A the people, quietly and peacefully expressed their protest, without barricades and everything else. Mouse with your words. But he was deprived of this right. And speaking of the elections, you did not notice that you always offer to choose the lesser of evils. The elections are essentially uncontested. Last question, explain why when the amendment was adopted to extend the presidential term, the people were not invited to plebiscite? Because they accepted one amendment, but here you can’t do without 400 and you can’t do without people?
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 18 June 2020 20: 11
        +3
        domokl (Alexander) Today, 17: 28
        The tale about zeroing Putin's terms is only suitable for illiterate boys... Putin is not a machine. He is an old man and his "motor resource" is running out. I don’t think that in 4 years he will dare to step once more into this river called the presidency. More likely to be Nazarbayev 2.

        good "Gold words"!
        "Zeroing deadlines" is a "smokescreen" to cover up two main "amendments":
        1. Creation of a new authority "State Council", with an undefined status, powers and principle of formation.
        It may well turn out that he will be formed from "new oligarchs" close to Putin, headed by him.
        2. The possibility of separating some "Federal Territories" from the Subjects of the Federation.
        Where are the guarantees that territories with reserves of export resources will not be withdrawn from subordination to the Subjects of the Federation? And their "management" just will not be engaged in "Members of the State Council"?

        There is a clear danger of the division of the state into "oprichnina" and "zemstvo", as has already happened in the history of Russia.
        Hence the "unprecedented generosity" of social and political amendments - and the President is not more than 2 terms, and the salary is "not lower than the minimum wage" (but no one promises to pay more than the minimum wage), and the indexation of pensions (200-300 rubles per year - also indexing), etc. etc.
        But you will fulfill all this, "dear zemstvo," by raising your own taxes.
        Since from the "federal territories", where export resources are concentrated, nothing "will break off" for you (well, or at a minimum).
        IMHO.
        Shl. God grant that my "pessimistic forecast" would not come true.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 00: 59
        -2
        Quote: domokl
        Has your boycott changed anything?

        And what can he change when people like you in the mass with an active lifestyle have decided to ride a rake? Have you been taught anything for 30 years of voting and other elections? Lenin spoke quite clearly about bourgeois elections. But who is he, huh? Whether it is a matter of headless people with an active lifestyle.
    4. snake
      snake 18 June 2020 18: 55
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      And by silence we will never achieve anything.

      Do not tell! For example, if 90% of the population does not come to the vote, the government will at least catch a strong effort. And then, you see, with a fright, he will also accept a couple of normal existing laws.
      Well, if you go, vote "against", express, so to speak, your Active Life Position ... What is the result? 60-70% of those who voted in favor, Putin is our leader, enemies are everywhere, we will stabilize further ...
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 19 June 2020 09: 19
        -1
        There will be no tension in power. As always, they will cheerfully announce the nationwide approval. The worst of the past is being pulled, only then the approval, in the majority, was sincere, but now it was administrative resources. Who will allow to check the truth or not, they have everything under control, as they used to say in the Union.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 June 2020 15: 27
    14
    I understand correctly that if federal laws, amendments to existing federal laws are adopted, on the basis of those amendments to the Constitution, will they not be implemented or will they contradict the Constitution? And if carried out through the Constitution, it will be executed ..? .. But on the basis of these amendments and changes, it will still be necessary to adopt federal laws ... I really liked this:
    And instead of shouting from the president, the Constitution will finally work for us. A constitution that will truly become the fundamental law of the state.
    ....Those. since 1993, how did 50% of the population vote for it, the Constitution did not work? And now it will work? Federal Laws were not adopted on its basis, and if they were adopted, they were not executed from the word at all ... Or were they executed, only with the cry of the president? And so it has been going on for 27 years? .. Therefore, the first seven years, he screamed at the occasion, could not stand it: I'm tired, I'm leaving .. The second one screams for 20 years with no big break, and things are still there? .. And how will they accept, that's all there will be no shouts from the president ... Will enlightenment come? And by the way, where to go ... This is all accepted and introduced ... Why vote?
    1. balunn
      balunn 18 June 2020 16: 05
      +7
      we will vote for zeroing .... is it really not clear ..... everything else is tinsel
      1. private person
        private person 18 June 2020 16: 27
        +3
        we will vote for zeroing .... is it really not clear.

        For not touching the president, that is, his nizya will be held accountable even in retirement.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 18 June 2020 17: 02
          12
          Believe me, there’s no need to vote for it. Everything has already been taken. A simple example, when the Constitution was amended to extend the presidential term, did anyone call you a plebiscite? No, they accepted you in the Constitutional order ... Now everyone is called, so that we would later to say what you’re talking about, you provided us with your votes ... This show, no more ...
          1. private person
            private person 18 June 2020 17: 44
            0
            .This show, no more ...

            I agree with you 100%, I just wonder how many% they would vote for <70 as usual.
    2. Wertgan
      Wertgan 18 June 2020 22: 02
      -1
      You in 1993 voted for the occupation constitution. Do you understand what happens to the conquered people in the occupied territory? This is still happening. Now you have been given a personal chance to start changing things. Personal chance to stay alive in historical perspective
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 19 June 2020 12: 17
        +3
        Made laugh. We lived since 93, but it’s a direct impetus ...
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 01: 01
      -3
      It is extremely doubtful that the author believes in the noodles that he is trying hard to hang on our ears.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 18 June 2020 15: 31
    20
    The current government and the president himself have so many times brazenly and cynically lied to us - that to believe them this time is just idiocy. If you have been deceived once, it’s a disgrace to the deceiver, if twice - a disgrace to you .. You don’t have to expect anything good from the proteges of the capital’s, the last 20 years have clearly shown this. And as amended, it’s clear to the hedgehog that the main one is zeroing. The rest just had to muddle the people’s brains. For otherwise - it doesn’t come out anymore. It is especially funny to read about pensions and social programs - the same characters who shamelessly robbed an entire generation just two years ago - demand that they be trusted again !! A dream of some kind of mind .. To go nowhere is the only right choice, for to sit down to play cards with professional cheaters is a complete cretinism ..
    1. businessv
      businessv 18 June 2020 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      Going nowhere is the only right choice

      No, colleague, not so! Going and voting against would be the right choice!
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 18 June 2020 15: 58
        +9
        No. The necessary tsyfir "for" - without any doubt they will draw, but drawing a high turnout is much more difficult .. And for Putin the main thing is that his eternal reign should be approved by the type of the majority of the jubilant population ..
        1. domokl
          18 June 2020 17: 32
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          but to draw a high turnout is significantly more difficult ..

          Why is it needed? is this the highest turnout? Vote half the population and what? The amendments will be accepted anyway. A low turnout is explained by agricultural work in the country or by fear of a caronovirus ... And people will believe. The main thing is to talk about it more often
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 18 June 2020 17: 57
            +6
            Well, how is this an indicator of the type of legitimacy of what is happening .. And since it is zero as the president’s terms, it is imperative that at least half of the population vote for it .. And it’s better - 70 percent .. Otherwise, you could not do all this and get along The State Duma. What we have already transparently and hinted ..
            1. domokl
              18 June 2020 18: 44
              +2
              Quote: paul3390
              And better - 70 percent ..

              laughing So it will be if three people come .. One against, two for ... It turns out that 67% of the population voted for the amendments
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 18 June 2020 18: 55
                +5
                Are the three who came - this is the population? Once again - the turnout is important, otherwise - one could do without this farce.
          2. SVD68
            SVD68 18 June 2020 18: 13
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            Why is it needed? is this the highest turnout?

            And why do you need this vote? The State Duma legally adopted the amendment. The Federation Council legally approved them. The president legally signed. The Constitutional Court declared legal. Amendments are legally accepted. Why any far-fetched vote? Not a legal referendum, but some kind of incomprehensible vote. What for?
            And this is a plebiscite about confidence in Putin. And the purpose of this plebiscite is to prove that Putin has not lost the confidence of the people because of the pension reform. And for this it is necessary to show a result comparable to the result in the presidential elections in 2018. And then the people will come to terms with raising the retirement age. If no one doubts the repetition of the "For" percentages, then the turnout at the level of the 2018 elections raises doubts.
            1. alone
              alone 18 June 2020 18: 42
              -3
              Quote: SVD68
              The State Duma legally adopted the amendment. The Federation Council legally approved them. The president legally signed. The Constitutional Court declared legal. Amendments are legally accepted. Why any far-fetched vote? Not a legal referendum, but some kind of incomprehensible vote. What for?

              One thing amendments are adopted by the Duma and the Federation Council, and another thing and the Duma, and the Federation Council, and the people .. Did you feel the difference?
              1. SVD68
                SVD68 18 June 2020 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: lonely
                One thing amendments are adopted by the Duma and the Federation Council, and another thing and the Duma, and the Federation Council, and the people .. Did you feel the difference?

                Do not ask me for arguments in favor of your thoughts. Tell me what the difference is. By comparison with the law on raising the retirement age, where people did not participate.
                1. alone
                  alone 18 June 2020 19: 14
                  0
                  Quote: SVD68
                  Tell me what the difference is.

                  The only difference is that they shift everything onto the shoulders of the people ... They say that not only we are powerful and YOU are the people of Russia accept and approve what we are doing
            2. parusnik
              parusnik 18 June 2020 19: 06
              +2
              And this is a plebiscite of confidence in Putin.
              ... Victor, quite right ... and no more ...
            3. Wertgan
              Wertgan 18 June 2020 22: 04
              0
              That's exactly why the Tereshkova amendment has nothing to do with it. She has already been accepted. Voting will be for changes. Do you need a change? Vote!
          3. snake
            snake 18 June 2020 19: 02
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Vote half of the population, so what? The amendments will be accepted anyway.

            Well, they are gaining this same half. What is not clear, then? More and more people no longer believe Putin’s promises and tales. Therefore, collecting half is not a simple matter. Even taking into account the administrative resource.
          4. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 01: 03
            -2
            Great. This is five, the author you very well admitted with this comment that you yourself do not believe in what you wrote in the article.
        2. businessv
          businessv 18 June 2020 20: 06
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          They will draw the necessary tsyfir “for” without any doubt, but drawing a high turnout is much more difficult.
          Colleague, you are not quite in the subject, which is easier to draw! With a turnout of 20%, it is easy to show turnout of up to 45 and the matter is with a hat, but with a turnout of 75% it’s much harder to do all the manipulations because the people came, which means the people care, there will be a lot of observers, it means there will be control and there will be a debriefing.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 01: 11
            -3
            If you organize mass protests at a low turnout, it will be a completely different conversation; 45 percent will be very difficult to show here. Therefore, a boycott with mass protests. But these are all dreams. And in harsh reality, public sector employees will catch up with old people who don’t understand what they mean, in fact they vote where they need to finish missing 146%, and other active protesters will ensure legitimacy by their appearance. The amendments themselves can already be considered adopted.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 June 2020 00: 37
          -5
          Putin will not have any kind of eternal reign - in the 2024th he will leave or maybe he will approve the constitution even earlier - and then there’s envy.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 June 2020 01: 16
            -3
            Just as before left? Although of course the matter is not in Putin, but in the system that spawned him.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 18 June 2020 16: 26
        0
        I agree with that. Just to cleanse your conscience. How are they calling for a civic stand. Go and vote, even knowing that no one is going to count votes.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 18 June 2020 20: 18
      -2
      paul3390 (Paul) Today, 15: 31
      for sitting down to play cards with professional cheaters is a complete cretinism ..

      And try to "flip the card table" - "gut"?
      So what?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 18 June 2020 20: 20
        +2
        You still advise Colts to lay out on the table ... laughing
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 18 June 2020 20: 30
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          You still advise Colts to lay out on the table ... laughing

          Well, we won't get to that soon. We do not want "like in Ukraine, France, America."
          So far, everyone has something to lose - "the feeling of their own hatoskry" (this "does not concern us", nothing depends on us, we all "do not care") first of all.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 18 June 2020 15: 32
    20
    Well, let's go over the points:
    But the norm of annual pension compensation is fixed, regardless of the economic situation and market conditions.
    Not fixed. There is not a single number there. There will be an increase of 0.1% in 5 years - the law is implemented. The maximum retirement age is not registered again: you will vote, and after six months they will again be asked to treat with understanding.
    So, the amendments to article 75 and article 114. The state ensures the growth of well-being of citizens, guaranteeing a wage of at least the minimum subsistence level in the whole of the Russian Federation
    Yeah. And the living wage is not fixed anywhere again - expose which is convenient. Yes, even with the minimum set, it still will not get better. Remember, Putin ordered scientists to be paid several times (twice or something, I don’t remember exactly) more than the average salary in the region? As a result, scientists wrote a statement to switch 0.2 rates and continued to receive the same money. Who did not write - kicked out.
    The amendments to Articles 71, 72, 132 just say that medical care in any corner of the country should be approximately the same.
    Based on the fact that under Putin, half of the hospitals under Yeltsin were closed, your interpretation of these laws will be realized by destroying (sorry, optimizing) medicine in Moscow and other centers. By the way, in article 71 there is nothing about medicine. In 72 it is said about coordination of health issues, not about their quality, but in 132 they entrust a part of honey. questions to local authorities. Where did you read that something should improve is completely incomprehensible.
    Now about the family.
    Agree that today, in the situation that exists in the world, we just need to protect everything that Russia has stood and is standing on.
    Not a word has been written about the prohibition of the juvenile scum, but we are widely prescribed what it already has. Thanks, dear!
    1. Far B
      Far B 18 June 2020 15: 41
      17
      So why do you download the galley? The oarsman’s oars fall out of the corpus callosum, he cannot eat already. Be understanding in the end
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 18 June 2020 19: 43
        +6
        Writing about the fake-nobody and allegedly non-binding "advantages" of the amendments (they have already been sorted out more than once "by the bones" and proved that they are absolutely declarative), the author bypassed the real reasons for accepting the amendments:
        1) "zeroing"
        2) lifelong senatorship
        3) endowing the special functions of the newly created State Council with a kind of contractual table between clans, the Vasti have a return to the notorious seven-banker system of the 90s
        4) consolidation of the possibility of trade in the country’s territories by amending the possibility of raising the borders during delimitation, demarcation and resolution of cross-border disputes between neighboring states,
        4) expanding the functionality of ASEZs, in fact creating the possibility of creating "closed" territories with their own laws and rights, by amending the possibility of some regions to take away parts of the territories and individual enterprises, taking them under their control, from other regions of the country.
        5) secured the possibility of further raising the retirement age without specifying specific retirement dates.
        6) deprived citizens of the opportunity to assert their rights in courts of international jurisdiction
        7) once again secured the current position of the Central Bank
        8) the untouchability of the former president (by the way, the untouchability is (if anyone does not know) - the prohibition of his political and judicial prosecution under any circumstances - even a criminal case cannot be opened against him, even if there is something to incriminate him.).
        9) the opportunity for state officials and demutats and their family members to own foreign real estate is fixed (it simply does not say about it that it is "prohibited")
        10) fixed the beggarly wages in the country by making an amendment about the salary "not lower than the subsistence level" - that is, on the brink of survival - you can put the salary of workers at $ 150 and voila - it is not lower than the notorious "subsistence minimum" - the constitution is observed (although why be surprised , "I myself" already said that the "middle class" in Russia starts with a salary of 17000 rubles, that is, $ 250).
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 June 2020 15: 35
    +6
    If we talk about retirees, then I don’t remember that they were especially chic. There are questions about medicine. Now there is debate about whether medicine should provide assistance or provide services. But these are completely different things. And since I’m a scoop, I would add about the impossibility of selling land inside the country. The rest does not bother me much.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 18 June 2020 15: 49
      +7
      Now there is a debate about whether medicine should provide assistance, or provide services

      No disputes, for a long time already "renders services", it is written in the documents.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 18 June 2020 15: 39
    -3
    I honestly did not particularly delve into the essence of the amendments. Pamfilova said that everything had already been accepted and the voting was basically a formality. But she was alerted that all the amendments were introduced in bulk. I think this is wrong.
    And I am against zeroing. But, judging by what the liberals say, including on the "Echo of Moscow", it is necessary to vote "For".
    1. snake
      snake 18 June 2020 19: 08
      0
      God forbid you to hear that the liberals on "Echo of Moscow" advise not to cross the road at a red light ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 19 June 2020 08: 40
        -1
        I don't expect anything good from Echo of Moscow. They simply are not able to advise something positive or useful. request
  • businessv
    businessv 18 June 2020 15: 43
    +1
    Therefore, the conversation about the upcoming vote is not ending ...
    Oh, and you raised the topic, Alexander! Thank! Do not forget to continue to discuss the issue of zeroing! In my opinion, this should be submitted to a separate polling station, but then it will be a violation - there should be only one question! Good luck with the continuation of the article! smile good
  • SVD68
    SVD68 18 June 2020 15: 46
    12
    Well this is how much you need to have impudence and insolence to write this: "Tell me, are you not tired of waiting for old age as a sentence? I became a pensioner - I became a beggar, unnecessary and uninteresting. A burden for the family and for the state! A beggarly pension" so that you don't die of hunger " Does it suit you?"
    As if there was no pension robbery in the form of raising the retirement age. As if they didn’t even take away a beggarly pension for 5 years.
    Well, how could it be without repeating the songs how, after, the pensioners will heal wonderfully. am
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 18 June 2020 20: 40
      +1
      SVD68 (Victor) Today, 15:46
      Well this is how much you need to have impudence and insolence to write this: "Tell me, are you not tired of waiting for old age as a sentence? I became a pensioner - I became a beggar, unnecessary and uninteresting. A burden for the family and for the state! A beggarly pension" so that you don't die of hunger " Does it suit you?"
      As if there was no pension robbery in the form of raising the retirement age. As if they didn’t even take away a beggarly pension for 5 years.

      What kind of people are these? AND?! request
      Instead of receiving a "beggarly pension", the state gave you the right to receive a "decent salary" for another 5 years.
      And if the salary is more than 17 thousand rubles. - then you will also fall into the "middle class".
      wassat / sarcasm /
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 18 June 2020 15: 47
    +7
    that medical care anywhere in the country should be about the same. 

    Gold words. Sound like a slogan.
    Unfortunately, unrealistic.
    Is this a difficult task? The hardest! But if this requirement is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the task will be solved quickly enough.

    Seriously?! Then I will fly to the forefront to vote ..
    And also in the constitution it is written, and for a long time, that the land and bowels of our land belong to the people.
    And judging by the gas receipts, they belong to anyone, but not to the people.
    Well, the cherry on the cake is
    the formation, or rather, the nationalization of our elites
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 18 June 2020 20: 12
      0
      The constitution just spells out that the land and subsoil can be in any form of ownership, that is, belong to anyone and anything, the people vryatli.
  • Roman Skomorokhov
    Roman Skomorokhov 18 June 2020 15: 48
    +8
    Another verbosity about nothing. I consider myself an intelligent person, and therefore I understand that nothing will change from the introduction of a clause in the Constitution that I should live well.

    But I will wait for the author to say about nullification. Very interesting.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 18 June 2020 19: 09
      -2
      Quote: Banshee
      Another verbosity about nothing.

      Look who's Talking? tongue
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 19 June 2020 02: 23
      +5
      It amazes me that the constantly deceived people continue to believe in "bookkeepers" and "voice acting". This is tantamount to systematically breaking your own head against the same wall in the hope of still breaking it by increasing the takeoff distance.
  • flicker
    flicker 18 June 2020 15: 51
    16 th
    I’ll go vote for the amendments. By the way, they had to be accepted for a long time. But better late than never.

    Definitely - For Amendments to the Constitution!
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 19 June 2020 12: 44
      +3
      Faster, otherwise you won’t have time. Better go straight ahead
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 June 2020 15: 53
    10
    At first, the author says voting with his heart failed. And right there, but we’ll accept the Constitution right away, everything will work. Why does it work? Because it is necessary for the author and the one who paid him.
    How naive and wretched. We live poorly, because this was not in the Constitution?
    There is also an advanced detachment of those who madly believe the founder of the Constitution. Why do you need this? Are you all right? Or mister ordered. not think ahead.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 18 June 2020 16: 15
      10
      At first, the author says voting with his heart failed.
      ... Yes, I really liked the heart ... The author seemed to vote for the 1993 Constitution with his heart, and 27 years later the government explained to him that it was pro-American and how his heart withstood and the "mycardic infarction" was not enough ... smile And when he and not only him, all those who once again "voted with their hearts" are deceived, the country will not have enough heart attacks? As in a song, my heart stopped, my heart stopped ... smile
  • rc56
    rc56 18 June 2020 15: 54
    13 th
    Aha! Sit all at home! We will continue to live according to the EBN Constitution, written under the dictation of the US State Department "iksperdov" to the salute of tank guns that shot the Supreme Soviet, adopted in the days when all opponents were gagged and some were locked up in Matrosskaya Tishina.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 18 June 2020 16: 53
      +4
      Please tell me, when the Constitution was amended to extend the presidential term, did someone call you to a plebiscite?
    2. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 17: 38
      +6
      Why Putin was quite happy for 20 years with the "Constitution of the EBNa, written under the dictation of the" iksperdov "of the US State Department under the salute of tank guns that shot the Supreme Soviet, and he swore an oath to it several times, but now, how was it?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 19 June 2020 06: 40
        -3
        And where does Putin? All last year, there was a collection of signatures throughout the country for the abolition of the Yeltsin constitution and the investigation of the events of 1991. Voting on the constitution is based on the appeal of citizens. Signatures were collected 2 million.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 19 June 2020 12: 47
          +2
          Collected signatures? Will there be a cancellation of privatization of all enterprises?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 19 June 2020 13: 40
            -2
            If the actions of 1991 were found to be illegal, that is, the dissolution of the state authorities of the USSR, then this would mean that the country would rebuild within 1945. Privatization is likely to be canceled as an illegal decision. But maybe they just replay.
            1. Varyag71
              Varyag71 19 June 2020 13: 58
              +2
              Yeah, they’ll cancel. If you recognize the actions of 91 as illegal, then today's power is illegal, all decrees, orders, etc. are illegal.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 19 June 2020 17: 59
                -1
                That's the beauty, much has to change.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 19 June 2020 12: 45
        0
        But this is a good question!
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 18 June 2020 15: 59
    -1
    what a deafening nonsense ...
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 18 June 2020 16: 03
    -1
    Why for the majority of citizens of the Russian Federation the upcoming vote is nothing more than a formality

    Because it is nothing more than a formality.
    The main goal is one - to achieve their goals, which, allegedly, the people approved.
  • reader65
    reader65 18 June 2020 16: 04
    +6
    Custom article. I forgot to write about zeroing.
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 18 June 2020 16: 17
    +6
    All this power could be done without amendments to the constitution. We all know what the main amendment is !!!
  • trophy
    trophy 18 June 2020 16: 18
    +6
    The article, like the amendments themselves, is about nothing. Blah, blah, blah well or bubbles in a puddle. Why did the article fall into the analytic section alone Allah knows, rather, the opinion fits. In essence the question: well, if CAM is planning to us stupid in the near future to explain the essence of the amendments, their necessity and mandatory participation in the vote means not everything is as smooth as they want. And I want to, well, very much judging by the resources involved. It’s just not clear why. Is all kipish because of the desire to reset to zero? All fiction from commercials in the trash, baby talk. There is only one conclusion - a boycott.
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 11
      -3
      And I want to, well, very much judging by the resources involved.
      First of all, thank you for paying attention to this.
      And then I kept thinking to go or not to go, but now I understand.

      July 1, I go and vote for the amendments!

      Z.Y. Thank you, comrade!
      1. trophy
        trophy 19 June 2020 08: 54
        +1
        Yes, always please comrade! Good luck! One more tip: forget to wear a mask and gloves.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 18 June 2020 16: 18
    +4
    The state ensures an increase in the well-being of citizens, guaranteeing a wage of at least the cost of living in the whole of the Russian Federation.


    The state thus increases the amount of taxes (especially in the regions).
    After all, it's probably no secret to anyone that "salary" taxes directly depend on the payroll (payroll)? So employers will draw the employee's salary more, but they will pay less. Exactly the amount of the increased taxes.
    And by the way, I didn't see the "guarantee" mechanism.
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 17
      -2
      Here, employers will draw a salary for an employee more, and pay less.
      That they can.
      But so that they do not have a desire to do this, I will go and vote for the amendments!
      Art. 71 On the federal structure, restrictions for federal and municipal employees.

      Z.Y. Thank you for paying attention to the problem.
  • Nasty
    Nasty 18 June 2020 16: 29
    +2
    Personally, it won't suit me when 2 pedrils or lesbians leave the registry office by parent # 1 and # 2. And where they will take children, rightly, from orphanages or from "eco". Psychotrauma is provided.
    By the way, I read for the amendment (s). There are sensible things. I'm going to vote.
    1. Asad
      Asad 18 June 2020 16: 56
      +3
      But simply it cannot be prescribed by law?
      1. flicker
        flicker 18 June 2020 17: 25
        0
        But simply it cannot be prescribed by law?
        It is possible, but the law should not contradict the Constitution. Chapter 1 (the foundations of the constitutional system) Article 15 it speaks of the priority of international norms and principles over Russian laws.
        We add the amendment that only if this does not infringe on the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens and does not contradict the Constitution.
        And then it is prescribed by law that there is no possibility for various interpretations.
        We vote and everything will be the way.
        1. Asad
          Asad 18 June 2020 17: 30
          +2
          I guess I don’t know if gay marriage is allowed in Russia?
          1. flicker
            flicker 18 June 2020 19: 45
            +1
            There are federal constitutional laws (federal laws) and there are federal laws (federal laws). Federal Law should not contradict the Federal Law.
            There is a family code of the Russian Federation (SCRF) that has the level of federal law, i.e. must not contradict the FKZ.
            So in SKRF article 12. Terms of marriage.
            "1. For marriage, mutual voluntary consent is required men and women, entering into marriage, and their attainment of marriageable age "
            So the Federal Law expressly spells out between whom a marriage can be made.
            ----
            But in Article 6. SCRF
            "If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by family law, the rules of the international treaty apply."
            ---
            The Constitution itself says only about protecting the institution of marriage ...
            The amendment will supplement the text and clarify: ... protection of the institution of marriage as a union of man and woman ...
            ---
            Besides. Chapter 1. Article 15, paragraph 4.
            The generally recognized norms and principles of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty are applied. "
            ---
            Which will also be eliminated through an appropriate amendment.
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 19 June 2020 12: 48
          0
          And who will decide what does not infringe on the rights and freedom of citizens?
    2. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 17: 11
      0
      So parent number 1 and number 2 is the initiative of the authorities in the West. And what are you going to vote for, so that Putin does not introduce the same thing in Russia?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 18 June 2020 16: 34
    +5
    Quote: SVD68

    As if they didn’t even take away a beggarly pension for 5 years.
    :

    First, the funded part of the pension was "zeroed". Which everyone paid, by the way. Nobody even remembers this part anymore. sad
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 June 2020 16: 38
    +2
    It seems that an adult writes, and so much naivety ..
  • Million
    Million 18 June 2020 16: 41
    +2
    They need a turnout, and anyone will write the result. Does anyone really believe in the honesty of the vote count ?????
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 27
      -2
      Does anyone really believe in the honesty of the vote count ?????
      I don’t know about honesty, but among my friends, 8 out of 10 for amendments.
      1. Million
        Million 18 June 2020 17: 47
        +6
        all corrections at once? Did they read them?
        1. flicker
          flicker 18 June 2020 22: 31
          -4
          all corrections at once? Did they read them?
          In general, the question at the vote is:

          Do you approve of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation?
          ---
          You see the difference between: "approve the changes" and "for the amendments" - see it or not?
          ---
          Have you read, you can have no doubt
          1. Million
            Million 18 June 2020 23: 14
            +6
            read! one-twoaa!
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 18 June 2020 20: 26
        +3
        Quote: flicker
        Does anyone really believe in the honesty of the vote count ?????
        I don’t know about honesty, but among my friends, 8 out of 10 for amendments.

        So you have only two literate acquaintances .. sadness .. actually explains everything. those two hello, listen to them, they can see their head "cooks" laughing
        1. flicker
          flicker 18 June 2020 21: 44
          -5
          they can see their head "cooks"
          You seem to be cooking too ... moreover, it’s cooking.
  • shoroh
    shoroh 18 June 2020 16: 42
    -9
    I will vote for. Although he doubted one time. I will explain why. 1. The West and the liberals will hysteria from Putin. So he does everything right in international politics. 2. We live more prosperously than ever in the history of the country. Everyone has cars, a mortgage record 5.8 percent. 3. The collapse of the country (Chechnya, the Caucasus) is stopped. 4. The original Russian Crimea and Sevastopol are returned.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 18 June 2020 16: 55
      +5
      Please tell me, when the Constitution was amended to extend the presidential term, did someone call you to a plebiscite?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 18 June 2020 17: 33
        0
        I can’t say nasty things. But really want to.
    2. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 17: 15
      +7
      Well, yes, in your logic, if the West has been raving for 100 years against the Soviet Communists, then they did everything right. And who and due to what results of his work began to live better in Putin's Russia, in which, according to Putin, people with an income of 17 thousand rubles are the middle class?
    3. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 31
      -3
      Further more, we are untied from the dictates of international norms and principles (which we see in relation to our country: creaking, doping, sanctions, etc.)
      There is a real opportunity to change life in the country in the interests of the population.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 19 June 2020 13: 10
        +3
        How old are you to believe in such tales?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 18 June 2020 16: 49
    0
    Voting for utin, these are fascists voting against us.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 18 June 2020 16: 56
    0
    The ball's chain was shortened, the bowl was pushed aside, and now you can make an amendment about the guaranteed "Dog's Happiness".
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 32
      -6
      The ball was shortened, the bowl was pushed back
      Already felt it on yourself?
      1. Valter1364
        Valter1364 18 June 2020 17: 39
        +1
        This is an allegory! Nothing else comes to mind when looking at the stupid and stubborn rape of the fatherland. sad
        1. flicker
          flicker 18 June 2020 19: 53
          -2
          This is an allegory!
          It turns out that before the amendments the bowl was closer, and the chain is longer?
  • Llur
    Llur 18 June 2020 16: 56
    +6
    Another custom article. Why was the government silent for thirty years? Amendments are needed solely for further plunder of the people - all the time the criminal government has existed, the Union has been blasphemed, insulted and humiliated, directly or indirectly, how many films have been shot - "Upward Movement", "First Time", "Zuleikha Spreads Buns", "Salyut-7" - trash films, and now ... is the Russian Federation the heir to the USSR? Why's that? And everything is simple - the Union abroad has huge tangible assets, and our motherfuckers want to lay their paws on them. And there are no rights for this - so they want to force the people to voluntarily give up their last. Why is this a scare to vote for the obvious things - fair social, family protection and so on? And this is the bait. The authorities have never observed the constitution - they will not be now. Why are the Chubais, Grefiks, Elvirochki, Bears, etc. still in power? It's important not to vote for or against - you can't beat the devil by playing by his rules. The authorities need a turnout, and they will draw the result. To win, you don't have to vote at all. Ignore. If the people need these amendments, why is the government so actively drowning for them?
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 June 2020 17: 34
      -5
      Now it is possible, through amendments, to create a legal framework for improving the lives of most of the population.
  • Shefango
    Shefango 18 June 2020 17: 00
    +6
    I already did a post on a similar topic. I repeat again.
    "In my opinion - not to vote. Why? The amendments have already been signed. This time. They do not touch Article 9.2, and this, for a minute, the possibility of subsoil ownership by individuals, corporations and even foreign ones. That is, a handful of ghouls who robbed us will remain intact The constitution itself is not being implemented At all The pension reform showed that Article 55 for our guarantor is just letters. The same with Articles 27 and 51, which were violated during the coronation. The primacy of the laws of the Russian Federation over international laws? benefits for citizens. GDP signed the law on the EFIR. Just a minute: each resident will be assigned an identification number. With the adoption of the amendments, the decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal will become invalid, which states that the identification of a person by number is the gravest crime against humanity that has no statute of limitations. a single register for the gene code, which no one needs except organ donor dealers. Dr. Mengele - kindergarten, pants with straps. We are still standing in front of the gate, on which rykh it is written: ARBЕIT MACHT FREI, but having provided the attendance, we will step for them, and voluntarily. And from there the only exit is either to the crematorium or to the compost. And you won't rock the boat, because you came yourself. Everything is legal. "
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 18 June 2020 20: 56
      -1
      Shefango (RW4HDK) Today, 17:00 PM
      We are still standing in front of the gate that says: ARBEIT MACHT FREI, but having provided turnout, let’s take a step for them, and voluntarily... And from there the only exit is either to the crematorium or to the compost. And you won't rock the boat, because you came yourself. Everything is legal. "

      And if you don’t come to express your protest, then you will definitely go for this gate under escort.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 19 June 2020 03: 15
        +5
        Hmm, the point is that these amendments have indeed already been adopted, and the Duma and the Constitutional Court and the Council of Federations, all spoke in favor, the president's signature remained. But as he understands perfectly well that by automatically putting his signature on these so-called amendments, he finally discredits himself in the eyes of normal people - well, wherever it has been seen, to "nullify" himself, to introduce into management a clan fight, eternal senators, to deprive people will defend their rights with international courts and protect themselves from these very international courts, etc. and at the same time do not even “blush”. Therefore, this circus with the so-called voting was invented. Moreover, at the very beginning, they said in clear language that this vote has no legitimacy, it is just such a "personal will of the president" who allegedly wanted to know the opinion of the "people." But only. But the point is that this notorious vote, regardless of how the citizens vote "for" or "against", does the most important thing - this vote gives legitimacy to everything that happens. That is, since you vote, then after the vote the president will have the legal right to sign all these "amendments" - the people have voted. Moreover, the result for those who started all this is absolutely uninteresting - it will be announced, the one that is needed. Now no one will count manually, the media are not allowed to check votes, so you can guess it is clear what the result will be ... Who will check something from the "independents" there? Nobody! And the result is not important! This is not a "referendum" or an "official electoral vote" - where representatives of the verifying parties are present, it is simply "a vote of the president's free will"! - that is, he simply finds out how many "for" and how many "against" and only! and having learned the opinion of citizens, he will calmly sign these amendments. Once again, the voting was invented to give legitimacy to the process of adopting the amendments and in order to shift the consequences of their adoption to the people, "you came and voted" ... and figs, you then, to whom will you prove that you voted against. It will not be interesting to anyone. After a fight, they don't wave their fists.
        1. Asad
          Asad 19 June 2020 04: 41
          +2
          I wonder what the answer is, "flicker"?
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 19 June 2020 10: 15
          +1
          Snail N9 Today, 03:15
          Hmm, the fact is that these amendments have indeed been adopted
          _______
          it's just such a "personal will of the president" who allegedly wanted to know the opinion of the "people"

          Totally agree.

          he just finds out how many "for" and how many "against" and nothing more!
          ______
          and figs, you then, to whom will you prove that you voted against. This will not be interesting to anyone.

          For you, the bottom item is contrary to the top.
          All this "approval" was started precisely with the aim of probing the mood in society.
          There will be a high percentage of protest - you may have to "release the nuts".
          There will be a high percentage of those who did not come, that is, those who remained silent and thereby expressed their tacit agreement with any decisions of the authorities, as they say - "* Star * rushed over the bumps." Do what you want.
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 18 June 2020 17: 15
    -6
    "Why, for the majority of citizens of the Russian Federation, the forthcoming vote is nothing more than a formality"
    Where such confidence? Where does this infa come from?
    It is immediately clear what will be discussed further --- transfusion from empty to empty ..... For, for, for !!!! The rest in the second part ........
    The more and louder they try to "mold a hunchback" before the vote, the more I am convinced that the amendments are necessary and correct! hi
    1. alone
      alone 18 June 2020 18: 47
      +6
      Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
      the more I am convinced that the amendments are necessary and correct!

      Words alone ... Why is the proposed change to the Constitution now? If these amendments are vital, why did you have to wait 20 years?
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 19 June 2020 07: 23
        -5
        But didn’t anyone do anything for these 20 years? The time has come, amendments appeared ..... Against the background of past presidential elections, when pro-Western liberals became candidates, I think the amendments are ripe ..... Where would Russia already be if Sobchak or others like her came to power? Yeltsin and Gorbachev would nervously smoke aside .... We wouldn’t have Crimea already, and I think the Japanese want the islands too .... I’m not talking about the army, armaments, work on the latest developments, and so on. And this is only the very beginning of the end of Russia under the strict guidance of such people ...... Also, those who are tightly tied with Europe and the West climb into other power structures, especially for everything they do or don’t do, it’s impossible to keep track of it, but Putin is naturally to blame for this, in the opinion of fellow villains like them ...... Amendments in this regard, this is one of the measures to complicate the getting of such people into power, and slowly, from the inside, crap Russia. I think it is precisely because of such things that they screeched today about the amendments and urge them not to vote for them! At the same time, they do not voice anything else, no alternative or real proposals ...... They do not voice because they simply do not exist! Or the people will not accept them. Sobchak, for example, voiced one of her proposals in the candidate race ---- to give Crimea and Sevastopol to Ukraine back ....... And where did its rating collapse ?!
        1. Tatyana Sementsova
          Tatyana Sementsova 19 June 2020 07: 34
          -1
          Can I find out why you are depriving me of the opportunity to express my opinion?
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 19 June 2020 13: 20
          +2
          You should write fairy tales
  • Free wind
    Free wind 18 June 2020 17: 20
    -4
    For utinin mutinin and so on.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 18 June 2020 17: 32
    +2
    Art. 81 h. 3 - 2024 and 2030 possibility of election, and in case of victory, the presidency

    Article 95 - after the expiration of the presidency, a member of the Federation Council for life with the function of immunity. also appoint 7 members of the Federation Council for life and 23 for a term of 6 years, providing everyone with immunity

    Article 101 - as part of the Sov Fed to participate in the appointment or removal of the president of the Russian Federation in office, the possibility of rejecting presidential decrees. participate in the removal or appointment of the heads of the constitutional court, the gene of the prosecutor’s office, the accounting chamber, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, etc.

    The rest of the "corrections" can be viewed on TV

    I go MANDATORY to vote AGAINST!
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 17: 37
    -2
    You will shoot 400 normal people with a machine gun, knowing that only ONE of them is a criminal? Me not! Likewise, I would not refuse to vote for good and necessary amendments to the Constitution if I had voted (as Roman put it, I am from a "developed country with a developed economy" and am deprived of this opportunity). Even knowing that they have already been previously (?) Adopted by the State Duma: just to express support. Moreover, Vladimir Putin is not a criminal, but, although he has shortcomings and his own view on some issues, which differs from the opinion of many, is still a Russian patriot who has done and is doing a lot for Russia and the Russian people. I don’t think it’s better to leave it as it is, not voting or voting "against". Moreover, this is what all Russia's enemies want. To be with them like many of the local commentators?
    1. tatra
      tatra 18 June 2020 17: 54
      -5
      Why, if some enemies of the communists are malignant against other enemies of the communists, then the rest must necessarily be for someone of these enemies of the communists? And you can prove that all these "good" amendments will certainly be carried out by the authorities on the basis of the fulfillment of the Yeltsin-Putin authorities. its 1993 Constitution, according to which, in particular, Russia is a secular and social state?
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 18: 10
        0
        Probably something the way you say it. But, I suppose, Putin is not such a big enemy of the RUSSIAN communists and Russia as the AMERICANS and other Western "democrats" with whom you stand in solidarity in the fight against Putin? I will not assert that ALL amendments will be carried out properly, of course: I am not crazy. Can you prove that ALL amendments will NOT be implemented by the authorities without fail?
        1. tatra
          tatra 18 June 2020 18: 21
          -1
          Ha, then, according to your logic, if Putin represses, imprisons, persecutes the "left", and for 20 years has not repressed a single pro-Western "oppositionist", then he does not consider them enemies of Russia, and if you are in solidarity with Putin You shouldn't consider them enemies of Russia either.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 18: 29
            -1
            Unconvincing. And it is very similar to UNSUFFICIENT slogans from the demonstrations. Who do you call "leftists"? Khodorkovsky, Navalny, a bunch of thieves? Maybe Platoshkina? Can you show a list of the repressed and persecuted "leftists"?
            By the way, do not you consider Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Chichvarkin and a bunch of their accomplices pro-Western opposition?
            1. tatra
              tatra 18 June 2020 18: 37
              +1
              Ha, well, that’s how I knew that you would cling to me untwisting that I would prove something to you, because you yourself are not able to refute that Putin didn’t repress any of the enemies of the Communists for political reasons, depicting the opposition. After all, to be AGAINST - for this you need no convictions, no conscience, no intellect, it is much more difficult to be FOR - to prove, convince, expose. And what are the enemies of the Communists for the cowardly manner of throwing each other to the Communists and their supporters? Both Navalny and Khodarkovsky are YOURS, and members of the CPSU when it was profitable - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky are the same YOURS.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 18: 54
                -3
                I do not "untwist" you, but PROVENLY answer your questions. But YOU DO NOT answer my counter questions, speak with loud demagogic slogans, try to force me to make excuses and, without proof, glue labels to a complete stranger to you. Yes, you did NOT manage to "spin" me.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 18 June 2020 19: 07
                  +2
                  What do you get out of? You could not justify ANYTHING that you have to go and vote FOR the amendments. But I can justify why I won’t go to vote at all, starting with the fact that the enemies of the Communists themselves, who imposed the 1993 Constitution on Russia and its people, did not fulfill it, and for 20 years they lived perfectly under it under Putin. And there is no reason to believe that all these amendments, except for one, will be implemented.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 19: 27
                    -2
                    I am not "getting out", but you! I presented my reasons at 17.37. If you do not want to "see" and accept them, do not agree - your business. But there is no need to falsely claim that they do not exist. Your statement that the Russian Constitution is not being implemented is also false: it is, of course, being implemented, although not in full. And your "proof" of the failure to comply with the amendments: "And there is no reason to believe that all these amendments, except for one, will be carried out," is VERY unconvincing and ridiculous!
                    1. tatra
                      tatra 18 June 2020 19: 37
                      +2
                      You do not have "proof", but only verbiage and anger. And how can the leader of the State be considered a patriot when no one can prove that what he has created over 20 years of rule is a blessing for the country and the people, in which all normal people understand that further for the country and the people it will only be WORSE. But in order for him to rule further, this orgy was started. One indicative fact, I work not far from the State Duma, and when the deputies adopted other amendments, everything was as usual, but immediately after the day when Tereshkova proposed to "zero" Putin, and the deputies supported, two police cars began to be on duty at the entrance to the State Duma ... That is, the deputies themselves immediately admitted that they had done meanness and were scared.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 18 June 2020 20: 03
                        0
                        Verbiage and anger are with you. You cannot prove anything, and therefore you started to simply insult. And don't stop. Due to the uselessness, I stop the further conversation. Read the story of Vasily Makarovich "Cut it!": It is about you.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 19 June 2020 00: 48
                        -4
                        "And all normal people" - Do not worry. You are not one of them.
                2. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 19 June 2020 13: 24
                  +1
                  you scratch straight by the training manual
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 18 June 2020 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      Do you shoot 400 normal people from a machine gun, knowing that only ONE of them is a criminal?
      An inappropriate analogy. It is more suitable here: "If you add a spoonful of shit to a jar of jam, you get a jar of shit."
  • tolancop
    tolancop 18 June 2020 17: 51
    +2
    "... The attitude of our people to the constitution was formed for many decades under the USSR and the new Russia. Any schoolchild knew that the constitution is the basic law of the state. But this same student knew very well another thing. The Constitution was written in order to exist. And to execute it the state in most cases will not exist .... Only now time is changing. At least, I hope so. And instead of the president's shout, we will finally have a Constitution. The Constitution, which will really become the Fundamental Law of the state. Basic! Main! ... "
    And why such confidence? I am sure just the opposite: as they spat on the Constitution, they will continue. No, ... spat before. Now, IHMO, they just wipe her. According to the Constitution, laws should not be passed that would worsen the situation of citizens. Uh-huh. The increase in the retirement age must be understood, the situation of citizens has improved. Under the Constitution, citizens have the right to health care and education. Have. Especially after all the "optimizations". Freedom of assembly, meeting, procession .. NOW !!!!!
    Well, and about freedom of movement after "self-isolation" under the threat of fines and far-fetched legal grounds is already inconvenient to talk about. And that, after the adoption of the amendments ALL THIS mockery will go somewhere? "I am tormented by vague doubts ..." (C)
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 18 June 2020 18: 07
    +7
    Hmmmm ... What an interesting situation! For almost 4 years of my presence on the site, for the first time I have been observing that Staver and Skomorokhov so radically disagree. Did the old robbers quarrel?
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 18 June 2020 18: 59
      -2
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Did the old robbers quarrel?

      Stavr, "Afghan" and officer, with a truly Russian concept of honor and dignity. He does not praise the authorities, but he adequately perceives what should change life for the better.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 June 2020 19: 08
        0
        In no way did I try to insult either Staver or Skomorokhov. However, you do not assume that I can know more about the history of this creative tandem?
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 18 June 2020 19: 18
          -1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          However, you do not assume that I can know a little more about the history of this creative tandem?

          I guess! For VO from the moment of its formation ... And I remember how and when this "tandem" was formed. Only this, apparently in the past - is greeted by clothes, escorted on business.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 18 June 2020 19: 16
      +4
      And two years ago .. They’re not K. Marx and F. Engels ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 June 2020 19: 30
        +2
        Two years ago they traveled together to Verkhnyaya Pyshma. Remember the series of articles about the museum?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 18 June 2020 20: 51
          +2
          Yes, I remember .. there were reports
  • akunin
    akunin 18 June 2020 18: 10
    +6
    To be continued
    please do not continue. who is preventing the state from implementing today's constitution
    Article 3. 1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people. 2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through public authorities and local governments. 3. The highest direct expression of the power of the people is a referendum and free elections.
    Why is the main article not running?
    Article 2
    "" Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and civil rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.
    and here is weak
    Article 7
    ""1. The Russian Federation is a social state, the policy of which is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free human development.
    "" 2. In the Russian Federation, labor and health of people are protected, a guaranteed minimum wage is established, state support for family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, disabled people and elderly citizens is provided, a system of social services is developing, state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established.

    Article 13
    1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
    2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
    "" 3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity and a multi-party system.
    4. Public associations are equal before the law.
    ""five. It is prohibited to create and operate public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional order and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed formations, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred.
    Article 14
    1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
    2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
    to the question of the appearance of God in the constitution .can continue indefinitely ...everything is already there must be observed
    favorite:
    The amendments to Articles 71, 72, 132 just say that medical care in any corner of the country should be approximately the same.
    can you learn how to improve financing of medicine, how to raise salaries for health workers, how to eliminate the shortage of staff and retrain it?
    The Presidential Program “Health of the Nation” was approved and accepted for implementation 19.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
    6 years have passed and kirdyk comes to health care, I'm afraid to imagine what will happen if they are introduced into the constitution.
    crafty author, custom-made article
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 18 June 2020 18: 21
    -3
    The first is a good article, otherwise all kind of jesters and buffoons write.
  • Lan28
    Lan28 18 June 2020 18: 23
    -1
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    Quote: Comrade Mikhail
    I do not care.

    But I have a difference, men. I will vote against. Against one single amendment, we have the 21st century, in the end, not for that my grandfathers fought in the Civil, so that the autocracy in the country is legalized again ...

    Earlier, they commented that the authorities needed a turnout, that is, you accept the rules of the game. The truth is that if the system wants to make society better, even the current constitution will not hurt, and those who do not want to do this will find 100 pretexts not to do with the new constitution. And yes, as long as the amendments do not make major changes to the CBRF, there’s no special meaning (it’s not for nothing that the Central Bank says it’s the first power)
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 18 June 2020 18: 48
      -5
      Not only the Central Bank, but also land resources and the supremacy of international law. But the most important thing is that this topic has been raised for discussion in society, people who know about the Central Bank have become at times or on orders more than a year ago. This vote is just the beginning of change, a test of strength. Further, the whole constitution will necessarily change, because this people cannot suit, and many oligarchs, too, will like it if you can change the laws and rules of the game in your sandbox at any time from the hill, the oligarchs need an independent sandbox, so to speak.
    2. Boratsagdiev
      Boratsagdiev 18 June 2020 18: 55
      +1
      Well, this is clear to you (and to me).
      But basically people don’t understand, everything looks beautiful and good.
      And in the end, we come to the estates and slaves.
      Moreover, in the new amendments there are "the feet of the fascists" with their solidarity (they mean solidarity).
  • Pup1
    Pup1 18 June 2020 18: 36
    -3
    Within a radius of 20 people there is no one for including grandfathers and grandmothers. Gorgeous worked in a pandemic. There is no point in discussing the specifics ... indexation of pensions may be 0..CKB since the time of the CPSU has been working on its own ... apartments are being distributed on internal docks for managers ... where does the constitution go? There is no justice comrades pray for.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 18 June 2020 18: 48
    -7
    I read the title of the article, in the announcement of the news, and wanted to skip ... I thought, as always, the next pearls from the incurable author VO "everything is not so". Opened, in order to confirm their guesses and immediately "down", who is the author?
    But no, satisfied with the reading. The good news is that the authors did not transfer to VO, for whom the main thing is not picking in "dirty linen", but the opportunity to convey to the reader what is being done in order to reduce this "dirt".
  • Revival
    Revival 18 June 2020 18: 51
    0
    Hmm ..
    What a pathetic attempt ...
    So touching the agitation to push!
    Without hiding to embed all the templates for a novice PR manager.
    Weak and helpless!
    PS
    And yes, "fast enough" is how much? (I mean it).

    "The amendments to Articles 71, 72, 132 just say that medical care in every corner of the country should be approximately the same. It is clear that with the exception of specialized clinics and medical institutes. Especially difficult cases of the disease are treated there. district polyclinics should be served in the same way as in Moscow ...
    Is this a difficult task? The hardest! But if this requirement is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the problem will be solved quickly enough. "
  • Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 18 June 2020 18: 51
    +2
    I am not against voting if I didn’t vote in bulk, but for each amendment separately. Yes, this will make the ballot and time for voting huge, more financial costs (although I think it is incomparable with the regular losses of our Gazprom from the long running of it). But it's worth it. Then the authorities and the people as a whole will be convinced of what really worries the Russians.
    And so you listen, Poplavskaya in the video and come to the conclusion that the main thing is the care and protection of animals. And so they will vote for the animals, and they will elect the Autocrat with the guardsmen, who do not give a damn about the people. What prevented them from taking part in the previous Constitution is taking care of the people, the development of the economy, and the fight against theft and corruption.