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What is the difference between a simple American infantryman and a marine

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It is probably no secret to anyone that in the United States everyone is convinced that the Marines are the most fierce warriors in the world. If you do not take special equipment and rested in stories Soviet construction battalion, in principle, the way it can be.


Logan Nye of "We are the Mighty" (it sounds like "We are powerful," and what else to expect from the American media?) Gave an overview of the differences between conventional and marine infantry. And he found as many as five differences.

Nye, for comparison, was guided by the infantry leadership for the rifle platoon and a similar document for the rifle platoon of the Marine Corps and its squads.

It is clear that the doctrine is doctrine, but field realities have their own nuances in the use of marine and conventional infantry.


Organizational rifle platoons of the army and marine corps have many common elements. The main element of the squad is the shooter, each squad is divided into two mini-squads, or fireteams (combat teams Alpha and Bravo with the same set: commander, machine gunner, grenade launcher, shooter). Plus, each platoon has a radio operator and a medic.

Next is the difference.

The Marine Corps has three squads, each of which consists of three combat teams. The platoon commander is a lieutenant. The group commander (usually a sergeant) performs the functions of a grenade launcher (M203) concurrently, with him a machine gun crew of two people (a machine gunner and his assistant) and another shooter.

There are no so-called heavy weapons in the platoon, but there is a platoon in the KMP company weapons (weapons platoon) of the Marine Corps, commanded by another lieutenant. The weapons platoon is a very serious combat unit and consists of:
- mortar compartment (3 60 mm mortar M224);
- machine gun compartment (3 machine guns M240);
- grenade launcher compartment (6 SMAW hand grenade launchers).

This platoon also has two specialists: a platoon weapons specialist (gunnery sergeant) and a medic.


Army platoons consist of two units. The commander of an army rifle division is usually a sergeant or senior sergeant who leads two fire groups of four.


Each army firing group consists of a group commander (corporal), machine gunner, grenade launcher and gunner.

There is also a difference here, the machine gunner does not have a second number, and the commander is no longer required to shoot small grenades. The marksman, who in the marines performs the role of the second number, is usually assigned the responsibilities of a shooter of a detachment or Marxman, who must hit targets at a great distance. Not really a sniper, but something like that.


And, unlike the ILC, the infantry platoon has its own compartment with heavy weapons. The weapons department is usually led by the most experienced sergeant. The department also consists of two groups and is armed with two M240 machine guns and two Javelin ATGMs.

Obviously, the KMP platoon is more mobile precisely because all the heavy weapons are concentrated in a separate platoon, the speed of response of which is entirely the headache of the company command.

However, the KMP’s weapons platoon is a more serious combat unit than the two arms divisions on the one hand, due to the mortar battery, albeit of a small caliber, and there are more machine guns in it.


However to each tank - his battlefield. An armored platoon of the KMP can create a significant advantage and gain in the area where it will be thrown according to the command order. The presence in each rifle platoon of an infantry company of the US Army infantry squad allows for more balanced support for the infantry squad both in defense and in the offensive.

Naturally, when appropriate decisions are made at the battalion level, any unit can be given additional reinforcement in the form of mortars, machine guns and missile systems. This is the same for the US Army, and for the ILC.

Marines complain that the army receives all the new items first. For example, the same M4 rifle hit the ILC almost a year and a half later than the ground forces. The same thing applies to such useful things as optical sights, laser sight, tactical handles, and other “gadgets” that are so dear to the heart of every soldier, which the marine receives fairly later than his land colleague.

And the choice in infantry is more diverse than in the ILC. If the infantryman needs to shatter something more substantial on the enemy than a bullet, such a tasty contraption as the M320 is at his disposal. And at the disposal of the marine is still only M203.

No, of course, the M203 is still relevant and not bad, but still it comes from the 60s of the last century, and therefore it is deprived of the convenience of the M320 and such useful things as a night vision device and a handheld laser rangefinder. Still, the M203 is a very old model. And the M320 can be used without mounting it on the machine, which is also a great advantage.

The army is quickly rearming on the M320, but it’s very difficult to say why the marines are mired in such conservatism. For the mobile marine M320, which can be used as an autonomous weapon, this is a very good help in battle.

If the situation is completely out of control, but does not yet require the invocation of the heavenly cavalry in the form of “Apaches,” then the army has superiority. Need to use a rocket or grenade more powerful than from a grenade launcher? No problem!

Marines can use SMAW, AT-4, or Javelin. And for the Marines at the lower levels, only SMAW is available. Yes, if the marines will scream loudly, the battalion command can send "Javelins" to help, they are in the ILC, but the company has heavy weapons of battalion submission.

You understand, in battle, before the battalion command you can easily not finish.


The same is true of ordinary infantry, but the level of saturation with heavy weapons will be higher for them, and it will be spread more evenly over platoons and companies.

Obviously, the infantry units of both forces are not completely independent on the battlefield. Both marines and army rifle units seek help if an unpleasant situation arises in battle.

Both marines and army companies can receive mortar, heavy machine-gun and rocket-grenade support from their battalion, if the company’s assets are exhausted, or if they are simply not enough.

And yes, at the brigade level, the infantrymen already have support with their own artillery and aviation.

And there are differences too. The Marine Corps is supported by its own artillery, which is planted as part of the landing group, and air support can be provided as land aviation, aviation fleet or KMP aviation. Who will be closer.

Naturally, only air forces of the ground forces will provide air support to infantrymen.


Specialty. Very interesting point.

Of course, the regular and marine are very different in terms of training. This is perhaps the deepest difference between the two.

It is clear that all marines are preparing for landing operations, and not necessarily from ships. Land infantrymen do not need this at all, therefore, for the sake of advanced training, many prefer to receive specialization by type of terrain or method of warfare. These are airborne paratroopers, rangers, mountain or mechanized infantry.


Rangers are greatly appreciated and respected as the most difficult of these specialties. But no less honorable than the Marine, and therefore many try to master this specialty.


In the Marine Corps, everything is different, there they classify their soldiers according to weapons systems and tactics, and not according to specialties, like the Marines. The point here is that it is completely incomprehensible where the marine will fight tomorrow, because narrow specialization is completely useless here.

So the marines do not have such a division, there are only arrows, machine gunners, mortarmen snipers, attack aircraft and rocket launchers.


But in the framework of the military profession there are no limits for improvement. And any marine who wants to move up the career ladder can go beyond the specialization of the standard infantry division of the ILC and get a specification of a different plan, for example, a scout.

In general, despite the similarity, the difference between the ILC and the infantry units lies in the methods of use. The ILC is the arrowhead designed to inevitably and deadly destroy the enemy in any theater of war, from the Arctic to the tropical jungle. This is a mobile and flexible tool for influencing the enemy.


The land army infantry is more specialized for a specific theater of operations, but no less deadly.

The main thing in modern strategy is to know exactly where these troops can be used more effectively. And then victory will be inevitable.

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  1. Far B
    Far B 18 June 2020 05: 44
    +3
    I do not know for the Amer Marines, but ours are really cool. Although I’m just naval, but with the guys from Holulay Bay, I’m always against crushing a couple of liters.
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 18 June 2020 06: 30
      17
      Quote: Dalny V
      from Holoulay Bay

      Lackey. They have nothing to do with the marines.
      1. Far B
        Far B 18 June 2020 06: 35
        +7
        Do not shoot the office)
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 18 June 2020 06: 36
          +6
          Quote: Dalny V
          Do not shoot the office)

          I often talk about it myself, especially after "a couple of liters".
          1. Far B
            Far B 18 June 2020 06: 38
            +5
            I have a mnu vacation, I have the right)))
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 18 June 2020 06: 50
              +5
              Although I’m just naval, but with the guys from Holulay Bay, I’m always against crushing a couple of liters.

              I had a couple of psycho acquaintances, a year older, whose roof went from these Rambo-lackeys. Smart guys, they could well move science somewhere to the side, but they asked to be saboteurs. Hike, disappeared in the dashing nineties ... And with the Marines from the artillery regiment I drank more than one barrel of beer in the early nineties. Of course, compared to the "naval" ones, they looked parallel and perpendicular, but funny, and in terms of slovenliness, very resourceful.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 18 June 2020 11: 12
                +7
                “My father was a marine.”
                - It already makes you half human. (C) "Jack Reacher" (2012)

                It so happened for the Americans that almost all military operations begin from the coast, where the Marines, of course, are in the forefront. Hence the "legs" of the disdainful attitude towards other "marching" military branches "grow".
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 26 June 2020 10: 00
                  +1
                  All of them are obliged to kiss the F / A-18 chassis because without it they are meat.
                  1. seacap
                    seacap 11 August 2020 21: 50
                    0
                    Rather Apaches and A-10's
        2. Grits
          Grits 22 June 2020 04: 33
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          Do not shoot the office

          In short, guys from the Russian island.
    2. Civil
      Civil 18 June 2020 07: 52
      +6
      Excellent article, very informative about the former most likely enemy and the current geopolitical enemy.
  2. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 18 June 2020 06: 16
    29
    Such a mess. A sort of compote, in which worms swim and do not want to choose. Poured into the toilet.

    U.S. Marine Corps Rifle Platoon
    The platoon commander of the MP is commanded by the platoon commander (official unit lieutenant of the KMP). The rifle platoon rifle platoon consists of:
    3 rifle branches
    deputy platoon commander (staff sergeant)
    field assistant
    A platoon of MP weapons is commanded by a platoon commander (official unit lieutenant of the KMP). Platoon weapons MP (weapons platoon) include:
    mortar compartment (3 60 mm mortar M224)
    machine gun compartment (3 single machine guns M240)
    grenade launcher compartment (6 SMAW hand grenade launchers)
    weapons platoon specialist (gunnery sergeant)
    field assistant
    The rifle division of the MP (squad) is commanded by the commander of the division (the official unit is sergeant KMP). The squad consists of three firing groups.
    The lowest combat unit of the US MP is a fire group (fire team)) consisting of:
    firing group commander (corporal, junior corporal)
    machine gunner
    the second number of machine gun calculation
    arrow

    What is this structure talking about? Yes, that the platoon and company are saturated with heavy (I would even say - collective) weapons, and in fact there is no infantry in it. In the offensive they will be slow, and in the retreat they will abandon everything that is heavier than the Colt and will flee. Such a structure is only able to sit in an equipped position for a long time. The role of junior commanders, who require a lot of high quality, is too great. With prolonged hostilities and the loss of trained soldiers, there will undoubtedly be a significant reduction in infantry fighting efficiency. The role of the organization of interaction both inside the company and inside the platoon-squad is great. Communication, planning, decision-making - all this is transferred to the lower ranks, and the destruction of this structure (artillery raid, for example) will lead to the loss of combat control by the senior commander.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 18 June 2020 10: 20
      +9
      Quote: pmkemcity
      With prolonged hostilities and the loss of trained soldiers, there will undoubtedly be a significant reduction in infantry fighting efficiency.

      Well, these are colonial troops. They are not imprisoned for a long war, not for life, but for death, for exhaustion.
    2. Temnukhin Anton
      Temnukhin Anton 18 June 2020 15: 02
      +3
      Very fair remarks. However, battles "front to front", at least with a rather serious enemy, have not been for a long time. Therefore, it is unlikely that the loss of personnel in current conflicts will be so critical that the combat effectiveness of the infantry has dropped so significantly. And if such a serious conflict still occurs, then this process will affect absolutely any army.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 19 June 2020 05: 18
        0
        Quote: Anton Temnukhin
        Therefore, it is unlikely that the loss of personnel in the current conflicts will be so critical that the combat effectiveness of the infantry sank so significantly.

        Back in the days of "historical materialism," I came across an article in which the US military argued that the loss of 10% of personnel could stop the attack, and the loss of 30% could disable the entire unit. Long-term losses of 10%, despite the replenishment, can lead to the failure of the operation.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 26 June 2020 10: 11
          0
          Most likely this is true for any army, if a part already incurs noticeable losses, but can still break the contact (it is already difficult to do with melee), then the attack will most likely be unsuccessful, and at 30% the team will fall apart, as a system in general, in addition, fighters can be diverted to help the wounded. Plus, banal demoralization. Even the factory floor will rise if 30% of randomly selected people are immediately removed from it.

          In this regard, Pyltsyn, in his book "The Truth About Penal Battals", cites an episode when, even after losing 80%, the battalion continued to fight very well, recalling foreign researchers who noted a serious decrease in the unit's combat effectiveness with 20% losses, but he had officers who were penalized. in the mass, obviously, from the same infantry, they were trained many times longer than the private infantry, respectively, the penal battalion was actually an elite unit in which literally every soldier knew his maneuver.
    3. kplayer
      kplayer 18 June 2020 15: 56
      +4

      We learn to count infantry, officers, group weapons ("heavy collective"), along the way and offhand we compare them with the number of dismounted infantry in a motorized rifle company of the Russian Army (it is, of course, incorrect to compare a rifle company with a motorized rifle one), which, in addition to its BMPs, should also be protected by MBTs with the conditions the same urban development, for example. Well, and we are learning to draw unhurried conclusions, from what, because of what tasks the staffs of the senior company of the MP are more inflated than the senior company of the SV
    4. seacap
      seacap 18 June 2020 19: 54
      -3
      So, this is all designed for the expeditionary nature of conducting a missile defense, with the enemy obviously weak and less equipped, hence the "specific" equipment and equipment, they have no experience in waging a "continental" war, in no major military conflict goals have not been achieved ( no victory), except with a stretch it can be said only in the 2nd MV.
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 June 2020 21: 26
      +5
      You, in my opinion, did not understand the fire team weapons. It is not heavy.
      It has a light machine gun 5.56, and not a general 7.62, which is heavy.
      The second number has a rifle. And the shooter, too. And the commander (with a grenade launcher).
      I agree that there are too many machine guns. The IDF has fewer machine guns and more
      shooters. And there is a company of weapons (fire support), and not a platoon of weapons.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 19 June 2020 05: 12
        -4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It has a light machine gun 5.56, and not a general 7.62, which is heavy.

        Just to take more ammo. The load on the fighter is not less. And a machine gun, a stationary weapon, who will run forward if everyone is lying down and firing? The attack will look like a crawl from cover to cover and the crazy crackling of a machine gun. After a few minutes, the cartridges run out, so what? Crawl back? This state is imprisoned for the total suppression of the enemy’s defense and the offensive in the platoon, or at worst, in the squad. At the meeting of the hotbed of resistance, everyone hides together and causes support. Thus, the Western infantry turned into living targets, which, by their appearance on the battlefield, reveal enemy firing points that have not been destroyed before, lie down, and await their destruction by aircraft and artillery. There are no infantry as a kind of troops capable of independently solving tasks on the battlefield in the west. It is neither bad nor good, it is as it is. This tactic, which follows from the strategy. The existence of operational art, English scientists deny.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 June 2020 12: 03
          +4
          "The attack will look like crawling from cover to cover and insane
          crackling machine gun "////
          ----
          You obviously don’t imagine the attack of the NATO standards department.
          Run across in turn, from the calculation: one runs across, two covers with fire.
          At the same time, no more than 3 out of 10-12 people are on the run.
          Light machine guns fire in short bursts. It all trains on
          a lot of days.

          "Thus, the western infantry turned into living targets" ///
          ----
          You know nothing about this and fantasize. Rehearsed by the foot soldiers all:
          and an attack on an enemy machine gun, and an attack on a sniper.
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 19 June 2020 12: 49
            -2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            one runs across, two covers with fire.
            At the same time, no more than 3 out of 10-12 people are on the run.

            Who runs across and who covers? Specifically, surnames? Look at the structure of the department and take it easy - everyone is lying. The idea of ​​the 50-60s with two groups was buried long ago by the developers of various "Bradleys" and etc. Love. The machine gun will not crush anyone with short bursts.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            You know nothing about this and fantasize. Rehearsed by the foot soldiers all:
            and an attack on an enemy machine gun, and an attack on a sniper.

            Do not bring your combat pinball experience to life. And before you attack the machine gun, it’s better to lie down and dream, wake up more whole.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 June 2020 13: 12
              +4
              I do not play paintball. And the Israeli infantry was 15 years old, including an active reserve,
              with participation in small combat operations.
              1. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 19 June 2020 13: 17
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                in the Israeli infantry was 15 years old

                Especially! So there were under fire! When a machine gun sits down at you, yes at all, in your direction, and fragments of concrete and brick fly in all directions, not to mention standing up, raising your head dumbly.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 June 2020 13: 30
                  +5
                  I was also a machine gunner in the fire support group.
                  And I know how hard it is to stop and push to the ground correctly
                  moving militants, running alone,
                  not on the same line and in turn.
                  And not running a chain.
                  There are methods for everything. And they rehearse with hundreds of dashes and
                  dozens of stores with live ammunition for two to three day
                  company or battalion exercises.
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    7. DV_Doronin_AVE
      DV_Doronin_AVE 19 June 2020 04: 10
      -1
      exactly so, and in connection with the motivation for the service for the sake of money, the weapons and equipment will lie untouched, as in Idlib ...
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 20 June 2020 12: 42
        0
        Ok, by analogy, firefighters and rescuers (risking their lives and health) do not work well, because they get money request
    8. seacap
      seacap 11 August 2020 21: 54
      0
      And most importantly, to move all this "beauty" further than 2-5 km, wheels and caterpillars are needed, which means roads and MTO units, moreover, with l / s also of appropriate qualifications and education.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 12 August 2020 05: 16
        0
        Desert Storm was the last Western Field War. All subsequent operations are insane suppression of everything and everything from the air and seepage along "hard-surface" roads to key points, not even defense, but the entire state subjected to aggression. Such "guerrilla" at the state level cannot but generate a response in the form of another "guerrilla". Hence the protraction of the conflict for many years. By the way, the Ukrainians tried to use the same tactics at the beginning of the conflict in Donbass, and faced with an army that did not hide in the ducks, but was able to form a "classic" front, suffered a complete defeat. The "front" itself, in spite of the static structure, has a more decisive character, leading to peace of the enemy much faster, when the entire contingent of passionaries, both "combatants" and "non-combatants", is sifted through infantry bayonets.
    9. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 30 August 2020 21: 35
      0
      Hospadi what do you carry
  3. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 18 June 2020 07: 00
    11
    All white men want to serve in the marine corps, prestigiously this is their opinion.
    1. Private-K
      Private-K 18 June 2020 09: 36
      11
      ILC is the most negro species of the US Armed Forces.
      And if you choose from the infantry, the most non-Negro is 82 airborne and green berets.
      The question is about prestige - only which of their cockroaches first ran into the head of the character. If KMPeshny - will sink for the KMP. If vice versa, it will be vice versa.
    2. seacap
      seacap 18 June 2020 19: 55
      +1
      Cash maintenance is higher and many benefits
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 June 2020 21: 28
      +4
      No, the Marines are full of Latinos and blacks. And the infantry is more white.
  4. Nemo
    Nemo 18 June 2020 07: 13
    +4
    Marines complain that the army receives all the new items first. For example, the same M4 rifle hit the ILC almost a year and a half later than the ground forces. The same thing applies to such useful things as optical sights, laser sight, tactical handles, and other “gadgets” that are so dear to the heart of every soldier, which the marine receives fairly later than his land colleague.


    This is not always the case. For example, now only the ILC and special. US Army units used HK416 / M27. It also depends on the command, because large units of the US Army (Ground Forces, ILC, Air Force) type of something corporations. Each unit itself orders the form, weapons, etc. that it will use. Last year, there was news that the ILC was going to order the development of a new decked aircraft, as the penguin is not very happy with them.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 June 2020 11: 45
      +4
      Quote: Nemo
      This is not always the case. For example, now only the ILC and special. US Army units used the HK416 / M27.

      But generally The ILC is traditionally inferior to the army in terms of equipment. Especially in terms of armored vehicles and army aviation. EMNIP, the same "Abrams" KMP received almost together with the Egyptians, and the marine models lag behind the army ones. The Marines never received a normal BMP, because the EFV program died happily, having devoured many evergreens before that (the cost of one EFV exceeded the cost of an MBT). Instead, the KMP has the AAV7, obtained by renaming the LVTP-7 armored personnel carrier from the Vietnam era. smile And there is nothing to say about the KMP-shny "Cobras" and "Huey" - even in relatively prosperous years, the KMP budget could not pull the "Sea Apache".

      Moreover, judging by the HBO-shnom "The Pacific", this situation has long roots. In the scene of the Marine raid on an army warehouse on Guadalcanal, there was a characteristic episode at the opened weapon box: look, the army is all new, and we are fighting the old days of the First World War.
    2. DV_Doronin_AVE
      DV_Doronin_AVE 19 June 2020 04: 13
      +2
      this is a characteristic adoption of the traditions of the Wehrmacht 33-45gg, when each Species and Genus of the Sun ordered itself what he wanted, without centralization
      1. Jager
        Jager 23 June 2020 20: 05
        0
        The Germans had a uniform mess with this. One of the main reasons that killed the Wehrmacht is the lack of technical planning and centralization.
        A living example - instead of throwing all their forces into the production of serial tanks, the Germans at the end of the war played with Mouse and Sturmtigr. The story with "Ferdinand" is generally complete darkness. I wonder what would have happened to the same Kotin, had he put on 100 pieces of chassis without any statements above.
  5. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 18 June 2020 08: 16
    -21 qualifying.
    You can weigh yourself with various modern devices from head to toe, but if there is no military spirit, all this zilch, the Americans are weak when they act according to the pattern, everything is like the Germans during WWII, aviation and artillery work first, then armored vehicles and infantry, it’s worth localizing one element and war machine stalled
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 48
      +7
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      You can weigh yourself with various modern devices from head to toe, but if there is no military spirit, all this zilch,

      yeah ???
      but I’ve heard from strong-willed men that when an opponent is against them with teplak, then they have big problems !!!!! it is putting it mildly ....
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 20 June 2020 12: 46
      -1
      Strong-willed men set off to squeeze the refinery from the Americans in 2018. And those “with a fright” arranged for themselves exercises on the use of the WTO, where the targets were Russians ..
    3. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 20 June 2020 15: 43
      0
      I did not suspect that there are so many apologists for American tactics of warfare on the site, gentlemen commentators, in my comment we are talking about the dangers of stereotyped combat operations, in particular in the American army, and not about the presence of modern lotions for a warrior, which undoubtedly increase the chances of surviving battlefield
  6. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 June 2020 08: 56
    +4
    Rangers are great at getting homeless after the contract expires. The preparation is suitable.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 18 June 2020 09: 59
      -5
      Homose any Americanos in the blood - a nation of emigrants, they lost their homes, went overseas) In the blood precisely)))
  7. Slavs
    Slavs 18 June 2020 09: 49
    +9
    "... if an unpleasant situation arises in battle."
    Like the phrase) I love black humor))
    Trying to imagine a "pleasant situation in battle".)
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 June 2020 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: Slavs
      Trying to imagine a "pleasant situation in battle".)

      you went to the enemy in the rear !!!!!
      1. dokusib
        dokusib 19 June 2020 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Slavs
        Trying to imagine a "pleasant situation in battle".)

        you went to the enemy in the rear !!!!! And a little more moved there
      2. Jager
        Jager 23 June 2020 20: 07
        +1
        And here is an unfavorable situation - he likes it laughing
  8. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 18 June 2020 10: 01
    +5
    "The infantry are taught to wash their hands after using the toilet, and the marines are taught not to piss on their hands." :)
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 18 June 2020 10: 34
      +9
      The main thing is not to express!
  9. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 18 June 2020 10: 07
    -2
    It seems that the ILC is more of an "expeditionary force" than the marines? Those. and marines incl.
  10. Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 18 June 2020 10: 13
    -1
    Title does not match content. The organizational structures of the KMP and SV are of course different. A separate marine from the army team differs only in show-offs.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 June 2020 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Samoilov
      A separate marine from the army team differs only in show-offs.

      This is a simplified approach, because no matter how different authors judge here, their most important difference is in weapons and equipment. Naturally, just like our Airborne Forces are inferior to motorized rifle units in the power of weapons, so the US Marines are inferior to the heavy US divisions precisely in armaments and military equipment in the first place. And this is the price of mobility for any army in the world. That is why it is necessary to consider the US ILC not from the standpoint of assessing platoon, but first of all to evaluate the entire connection and supporting structures, and then an objective assessment will be obtained when comparing their capabilities with the US land divisions. For example, what are the differences between the divisions of the SV and the US MP existed in the nineties. I think that the structure has not changed much at the present time:

  11. k_ply
    k_ply 18 June 2020 12: 13
    +3
    Well, why did each rifle platoon have two Javelin ATGMs permanently soldered, which is not always the necessary heavy and expensive ballast with a range of 2,5 km and 1,5 pounds of weight. Half a dozen calculations, but the company level is still somehow understandable. And, in my opinion, the universal SMAW - for the Marine Corps, have not seen the army states where this RPG is. The disposable AT-4 (M136) has the status of a light combined-arms anti-tank unit (including artillerymen, sappers, etc.), and every second in rifle departments of the MP, if necessary.
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 18 June 2020 13: 10
      +1
      Army platoons consist of two units.

      I admit a typo like that
  12. Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 18 June 2020 15: 15
    +2
    Rangers are greatly appreciated and respected as the most difficult of these specialties. But no less honorable than the Marine, and therefore many try to master this specialty. Rave. Rangers are army special forces, they are not only no worse, but far superior in training linear infantry. In the fleet, only Force RECON can compete with them.
  13. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 18 June 2020 18: 58
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    ... drew attention to the culture of handling weapons in MARINs ... I mean the position of the index finger on the receiver or just parallel .. but not in any way on the trigger ..
  14. nnz226
    nnz226 18 June 2020 19: 40
    -6
    Actually, against the background of our guys, for example, from the Caesar Kunikov battalion, the American marines are a miserable, heartbreaking sight! At Iwo Jima (and in 1945, the Japanese were already not the same), with the support of several aircraft carriers, several battleships, a cruiser and destroyers, you can bend your finger for a dozen, they did it completely! For a week of battles against 3000 soldiers and 5000 armed workers (count Volkssturm), the Empires laid 7000 of their marines in the surf, counting tens of thousands of wounded. Where are they to the guys Olshansky, or landing in Budapest and Vienna, and without the support of aircraft carriers, battleships and other ship’s pack ....
    1. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 19 June 2020 06: 49
      +4
      Quote: nnz226
      against 3000 soldiers and 5000 armed workers


      21 - Iwo Jima garrison. Fanatics are suicides. Mountains and catacombs overgrown with jungle, underground tunnels and concrete bunkers.

      Quote: nnz226
      and without the support of aircraft carriers, battleships and other naval pack ....


      And this is not a plus for the Soviet landing forces, but a minus. Ships and aircraft were abundant, but they fought ineptly.

      ... the plan of Operation Sea failed. The paratroopers, who received reinforcements, were only able to hold on to the captured bridgehead, so far there could be no talk of any offensive. For poor preparation of the operation and inept leadership, Vice-Admiral Oktyabrsky was removed from his post and appointed with a reduction - the commander of the Amur Flotilla in the Far East.
  15. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 18 June 2020 20: 22
    -1
    they have that 60mm mortars are still in service or the authors do not
  16. akinfeeffr
    akinfeeffr 18 June 2020 20: 56
    +2
    I find it convenient that the squad is divided into two tactical groups. Coherence is better. As far as I know, their main focus in training is just on a group of 4-6 fighters.
    1. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 19 June 2020 06: 41
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      Three teams are firing, assault, and cover. Fire goes in front and to the side of the tank, pounding machine guns at the place where the enemies are hiding. Assault moves in front and on the other side of the tank, waiting for an opportune moment to rush at the enemy pressed to the ground and finish off at close range with rifles. Cover - hides behind a tank, cutting off enemy reinforcements with fire from "bloopers", in case of failure they are ready to cover the withdrawal of the first two groups.
  17. Dmitry Leontiev
    Dmitry Leontiev 19 June 2020 14: 16
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    Gills are different.
  18. kplayer
    kplayer 19 June 2020 21: 31
    +1
    Marines complain that the army receives all the new items first. For example, the same M4 rifle hit the ILC almost a year and a half later than the ground forces.

    Brad, the Marines couldn't complain about that, this is speculation. Imposed, unnecessary "new thing". Imagine, your regular AK / AKS-74 / -74M was replaced, I won't say that it was for AKSU, but for example, for the same shortened AK-105. Doubtful replacement. And by the way, that the standard М16А4, that the М4 carbine are not automatic - only the self-loading mode and the mode of a fixed queue of 3. Automatic weapons in the American infantry, namely in the 5,56 mm caliber, are the М249 SAW and М27 IAR machine guns (see their abbreviations), the latter replaced the first by 2/3 in the MP. The automatic М4А (А1) was originally delivered to the SSO (М249 here in the Mk.46 SPW modification).
  19. Diverter
    Diverter 26 June 2020 18: 02
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    In America, we very well learned to advertise something, to hang out, to show off, to rip a throat or to take by the throat. The composition grown up against this background, in my opinion, is not able to stand to death in Pavlov’s house or near Moscow. The same YouTube is full of video evidence and reviews of opponents. BUT! Never underestimate the enemy!
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 3 August 2020 13: 45
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      Experiments with USM without a queue are long in the past. Now all M4s have only two standard fire modes - bursts and single
  20. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 27 June 2020 16: 53
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    Quote: Saboteur
    The composition grown up against this background, in my opinion, is not able to stand to death in Pavlov’s house or near Moscow.

    It seems to me that today we do not have all the Matrosovs and the Karbyshevs. You can look at and draw conclusions on athletes. What were our half-starved Dynamo football players in the 45th in the UK and what are the Mamaevs and Kokorins now.
  21. Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 6 July 2020 09: 22
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    Ssykuny and those and those.
  22. ILIA
    ILIA 6 September 2020 00: 08
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    Malekh's Marine is probably dirty? ;-)