Chinese and Indian military confront battle on border: conflict between nuclear powers

Alarming news continues to come from the Sino-Indian border in the mountainous region of Ladakh. Clashes are reported between Indian and Chinese troops, the strength of which has grown in the region over the past few months. Both countries also deployed numerous weapons to the border, including patrol boats, which China deployed on a local lake.

As a result of application weapons there are casualties on both sides. The Indian side claims that the Chinese military lost 43 soldiers killed and wounded. Talking about their own losses, in India they call the number in "17 wounded and two killed."

Earlier it was reported that only the Indian side lost 20 people dead. As you can see, the data are contradictory, but the fact remains that there are losses and they are such that there have not been more than 40 years in the region.

According to recent reports, the parties that came together in battle used artillery and mortars.

The battle was fought in the Galvan valley, near Lake Pangong. The Indian press stated that "India will not tolerate violations by China of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country."

Indian authorities:

We demand the immediate withdrawal of those thousands of Chinese military who are deployed to Ladakh. This transfer violates previous agreements.

It should be noted that the clash on the border occurred after a series of attempts to agree on the separation of forces and assets, as well as on the status of Ladakh. But, apparently, the negotiations were unsuccessful.

There are risks of new fights in Ladakh.

In such a situation, it is difficult to say that fighting on the border is beneficial to China or India. If we are not talking about the ambitions of the two countries, then we can make an assumption of provocation, which could lead to a shootout. At the same time, it is important for both sides not to forget that they are nuclear powers, and therefore their conflict can lead to terrible consequences not only for Asia, but for the whole world.

By the way, it was about the provocation that the Chinese Defense Ministry announced. True, in this case it was meant "provocation from the Indian side."

Comments

[mitroha]

Knowing some "fanatical attitude" between these countries, and taking into account the size of the population, as well as the presence of nuclear weapons, clashes can lead to extremely negative consequences both for the region and the whole world. At the very least, this will be an additional blow to the economy amid the pandemic and the oil wars.
2020 does not stop unpleasantly pouring negative

[5-9]

Given the very amount of nuclear weapons on both sides, territory and population, the consequences can only be for the economy .... although of course there will be nothing

[Revolver]

Quote: Mitroha

as well as the presence of nuclear weapons

One thing is good - even if they all start throwing vigorous loaves, there is around the mountain, so the muck will not spread to the whole world, unlike the Wuhan virus.

[Duxan]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Mitroha

as well as the presence of nuclear weapons

One thing is good - even if they all start throwing vigorous loaves, there is around the mountain, so the muck will not spread to the whole world, unlike the Wuhan virus.

The United States and others also think so and are trying in every possible way to pit them .. The West needs war and this is why they usually make good money and write off their debts .. Have they calculated everything?

[Revolver]

Quote: Duxan

West needs war

What for? China will not buy either weapons or ammunition. And India - yes, it will, but - "more in number, at a cheaper price", i.e. rather not in the West, but in the Russian Federation.

[siberalt]

Even if 50 soldiers die on each side every day, population growth in both countries will not stop. But war is always bad.

[evgenii67]

Quote: siberalt

Even if 50 soldiers die on each side every day, population growth in both countries will not stop. But war is always bad.

Accurate with digits, they are easily checked. 50 thousand a day is 18 million a year. For 19 years, 17 million were born in China, more than 9 million died.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: siberalt

Even if 50 soldiers die on each side every day, population growth in both countries will not stop.

But the combat readiness reserve and military specialists will end pretty quickly. Express courses for junior commanders will partially remove the problem, but what to do with pilots, etc.?

[Interlocutor]

Even if 50 soldiers die on each side every day, population growth in both countries will not stop. But war is always bad.

Will stop. The increase is approximately 17000 per day. In China. India doesn’t even want to count. Still those ants.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Interlocutor

17000 per day

It is approximately similar to our total human losses (on average, per day) in the Great Patriotic War, according to official data.

[Civil]

Quote: Courier

America is to blame. Forced to throw 10 thousand Chinese to the border.

I knew it, the American military with the support of gay players from NATO.

[ver_]

... let their Tibetan monks pull away ..

[sergo1914]

The Chinese are warming up. But here is what?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: sergo1914

The Chinese are warming up. But here is what?

Are they Chinese? Neither Beijing nor Delhi is profitable. But to drag into the "whore" its main economic rival, which is China, the dream of mattresses. If he (the fornicator) is also a military man, then this is generally a gift for the US economy. India is a huge market for weapons of the American military-industrial complex + a huge human mobilization resource, which will allow waging a war for more than one year, which will divert significant resources of the PRC and at the same time provide the US military-industrial complex with orders and jobs. The coronavirus apparently did not give the desired effect, since the Chinese sent mattresses in the forest with their claim for compensation of 100 billion dollars, so they decided to enter from the side of the border military provocation. Somehow I think so.

[New Year day]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Something like that

Hindus signed up for Americans? And what is the benefit to the Indians?

[KAV]

Quote: Silvestr

Hindus signed up for Americans? And what is the benefit to the Indians?

What does the American subscription have to do with it? Hindus sign for themselves, but at the suggestion of the United States, which are pushing for war, promising any help and support. You were born yesterday, honestly ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

If he (the harlot) is also a military man, then this is generally a gift for the US economy

The formula works "War, commodity, money, war".

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: sergo1914

The Chinese are warming up. But here is what?

Everything is reflected in their wonderful "doctrine of 2050" as political scientists called it, in fact at the congress of the Chinese / celestial / communist party proclaimed a "look to heaven".
So, starting in 2020, the process of military clashes with its neighbors begins, and by the apogee of 2050, the PLA should fully match in terms of competitiveness with the US army. At this time, China is going to conduct a "peaceful expansion" / on "Boko Haram" completely fueled by Chinese ammunition-- - and this is the main feature in the identification of the grouping / very clearly and clearly visible "what kind of tiger we fed"

[Bashkirkhan]

Showdown between two anthills. There is a billion people on each side.

[Russia]

China and the Kareans are a historical irritant for the Japanese, and India and China are an Anglo-Saxon project in terms of "supporting" stability in the region.

[novel66]

Vital, I think - the Indians muddied, then Packs bit. now here are the synanthropes

[Russia]

Roma , good health. This is everything in the compartment, India has money, America is pressing specifically on China, hinting at the "girlfriend" of India. It seems that the "billionaires" are being drawn into further "good-neighborliness".
We are pulling up arms both of them, but we are purchasing, although they criticize the US, saying that we have a bad gun.

[novel66]

the military always overwhelms ... yes, hello, of course!

[rocket757]

The gun has been hanging for a long time ... and lately there have been more and more cartridges next to it.
Now how ???

[Russia]

It has long been HOW.

[rocket757]

How, how? events go "as usual" and in the heads of the eccentric magazine l l l ists \ political scientists \ experts, different scenarios of the development of events are muddied, which they give out to the mountain!

[Russia]

I agree, I simply designated "HOW" as a stagnant phenomenon or as a fact. You see how many "what", and so I greet a fellow soldier.

[rocket757]

Welcome
It happens that some people have a desire to slightly invigorate a stagnant event ... only slightly, I suppose, they will stop there.

[Revival]

I could not resist, I will connect to your dialogue ..
And then "how", which you designated as "how", if it is "how" or as "how", which as "how" was designated by your interlocutor, but how then with "how"?)))))

[Russia]

Quote: Revival

I could not resist, I will connect to your dialogue ..
And then "how", which you designated as "how", if it is "how" or as "how", which as "how" was designated by your interlocutor, but how then with "how"?)))))

Good and capable boy.

[A good one]

Quote: Revival

I could not resist, I will connect to your dialogue ..

And it’s like in thimbles, when a shaggy ball is chased in opaque glasses, a pendal from the back is given for attention, so pass by, if one toe remains, say on the right foot, then luck is on your side. .

[zadorin1974]

Yes, not like Victor (good morning ) India and Pakistan are constantly chasing each other, so what? (Loaves also have both) A simple local cabal. The landscape will not allow a more or less large conflict (as well as the second wave of the crown).

[rocket757]

Quote: zadorin1974

The landscape will not allow a more or less large conflict to be developed (as well as the second wave of the crown).

They probably just don’t need this. A big batch is difficult and expensive, and so, a distracting background for the average person, for a lot, many, average people!

[zadorin1974]

Well, yes, they will let in several infantry groups of around a million on both sides who counts them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

The gun has been hanging for a long time ... and lately there have been more and more cartridges next to it.
Now how ???

The gun may hang, but the cartridges have an expiration date, so you need to shoot old and buy new ones. Hence the conclusion, the lads have fun.

[Hey]

With whom does China have no disputed territories and from whom has it not squeezed something out, or has it not yet squeezed out? Kyrgyzstan has already given away part of the territory. Russia has given a number of islands along the Amur River, including Domansky Island, for which our Soviet wars gave their lives. They also want to hide in this matter for the new Constitution.

[cradle]

do not escalate how much you gave, but no less acquired it. And the Chinese Indians for a long time 1840s will remember their participation in the aggression against China and the sale of drugs. The Indians are still arias.

[Arhats]

Damansky, and you know, of course I don’t want to say anything, but there is a word WAR, and there is a word WAR, it is necessary to explain what are the differences? It seems to me that you are not quite aware of what you are writing about. If in essence, then the exchange of territories was equivalent, and it was an exchange, do you know anything about this?

Quote: MUD

With whom does China have no disputed territories and from whom has it not squeezed something out, or has it not yet squeezed out? Kyrgyzstan has already given away part of the territory. Russia has given a number of islands along the Amur River, including Domansky Island, for which our Soviet wars gave their lives. They also want to hide in this matter for the new Constitution.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Arhat

If in essence, then the exchange of territories was equivalent, and it was an exchange, do you know anything about this?

By the way, the Chinese do not hesitate to celebrate their "May 9" - they have September 11, when negotiations on the islands began, is considered the day of victory over the USSR on Damansky Island. And we are not even allowed to remember our own. Do you know this?

[Grits]

Quote: tihonmarine

And we are not even allowed to remember our own. Do you know this?

In Dalnerechensk, at the local cemetery, there is a large memorial in memory of those killed in Damansky. And the chapel. There they buried those killed in the battles. Who's stopping you from remembering yours there?

[EvilLion]

For those who have zero knowledge of the materiel, China does not have territorial disputes with Russia, since, having received in FIG no one unnecessary islands in the middle of the river, I had to officially admit that all territorial issues were closed on this. Smart people from such acquisitions prefer to refuse, if they have reason to say that more can be squeezed out ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: EvilLion

China has no territorial disputes with Russia, since, having received in FIG no one unnecessary islands in the middle of the river, I had to officially admit that on this all territorial issues were closed.

The Beijing Treaty did not say anything about the ownership of the islands. According to the agreement, the eastern border between Russia and China was established, starting from the confluence of the Shilka and Argun rivers, downstream of the river. Cupid to the confluence of the river. Ussuri. The treaty bypassed the issue of the ownership of the islands and a clear border on the Amur, Russia and China have not been designated for more than 100 years - from 1860 to 1990. When the PRC was formed, there were no problems with borders; everything was resolved on a friendly basis. The problems began with the death of Stalin and the coming to power of Khrushchev. Using this example, one can clearly see the consequences of a leader’s incomprehension of the canons of geopolitics. This “crooked spotlight” managed in a few years to surrender a number of positions to the Anglo-Saxon powers and severely ruin relations with the allied China and initiated the border problem of Khrushchev, who poured mud on Stalin, who was an unquestioned authority for Mao Dzedong and committed a number of unfriendly actions against China. The result of the short-sighted policy of the Khrushchev flock is the fighting on Damansky Island, as well as in Kazakhstan and, most importantly, the reversal of China from friendship and cooperation with the USSR to the United States.

[EvilLion]

Well? Write for yourself that they did not discuss the ownership of the islands. Accordingly, there was at least a reason for a quarrel. If you have discussed it, then it will be strange to come and demand something, and you can reconsider something only through an aggressive war.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: EvilLion

Write for yourself that they did not discuss the ownership of the islands. Accordingly, there was at least a reason for a quarrel.

I write what happened, but everything was settled for many decades. I lived in the border regions with China, and there were no problems until the eccentric Khrushchev led to a confrontation.

[Grits]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Beijing Treaty did not say anything about the ownership of the islands

I don’t remember in what agreement (too lazy to look) the border between Russia and China was established not on all the borders on the rivers between the countries - along the fairway, but along the coastline ... of China. This treaty was drawn up at a time when China was weakened and it was not up to the borders. Naturally, in accordance with this agreement, we considered Damansky to be our own. Although it is located on the Chinese coast. A narrow channel separates it from China, and the rest of the wide river from ours. Therefore, the Chinese considered him theirs. Harassed him, caught fish. After quarreling with the Chinese, the issue of ownership got out and a conflict arose.
The demarcation of the border established a modern border between the Russian Federation and China according to the adopted rules - along the fairway. Fair. But the legendary Damansky remained with the Chinese.
By the way, the Chinese made further concessions regarding the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island near Khabarovsk. According to the rules, he was supposed to leave the whole Chinese. But he was divided in half.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gritsa

By the way, the Chinese made further concessions regarding the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island near Khabarovsk. According to the rules, he was supposed to leave the whole Chinese. But he was divided in half.

Well, yes, we took him, it seems after the conflict on the CER.

[Grits]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, yes, we took him, it seems after the conflict on the CER.

Honestly, I don’t know. Just earlier, the border passed along the Kazakevich channel. Which is still smaller than the main Ussuri channel near Khabarovsk. In principle, it was enough for the Chinese only to lightly pour Kazakevich’s duct with all sorts of rubbish so that the fairway finally went towards our shore. They do such tricks on the Tumangan River near Hassan, pushing their bank.

[askort154]

The world is not moving away from the catastrophe, but is approaching it every year. The foci do not quench, but rather multiply: Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Georgia, Libya, Syria,
Ukraine, Iran-Israel and, again, Libya, North Korea and South Korea, China-India-Pakistan (the last three possess nuclear weapons). The US is becoming more aggressive against Russia and China. At such an increasing rate - the 20th century may be the last on the planet.
And everywhere the ears of the Anglo-Saxons stick out - from century to century.

[venik]

"...But, apparently, the negotiations were unsuccessful..... "
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It seems that they themselves (without external mediation) they are unlikely to agree ..... But others are not up to them now. So, I'm afraid - this is just the beginning .....

[Viktor Sergeev]

Let them have fun, well, for them a couple of tens or hundreds of people?

[forest1]

Star-shaped six-pointed ears are clearly sticking out here.
Is fecit cui prodest.
Shukay to whom vig_dno

[Revolver]

According to Fox News, the Chinese killed three Indians on the spot, and another 17 died subsequently from wounds. The losses of the Chinese side are not reported. Moreover, according to the Chinese representatives, no weapons were used, the fight was using fists and stones.
Obviously, escalation is expected before the use of clubs and spears with stone tips.

[NDR-791]

... no weapons were used, the fight was with fists and stones.
Yes indeed. I just listened to Dr. Maslov on the radio. According to his Chinese sources there was a melee.

[alone]

Quote: Nagan

Moreover, according to the Chinese representatives, no weapons were used, the fight was using fists and stones.

And where were the fighting elephants of the Hindus?

[Dave36]

No wonder - multibillion-dollar investments in the PLA, falling markets ... China will begin to use its armed forces in problem areas, realizing that Doni is essentially putting an end to China (if re-elected) .. and the threat of an invasion even by coalition forces should not be feared .. If the gun hangs on the wall, it can shoot.

[silverwolf88]

Most likely we won’t even find out the truth about the reasons for the beginning of the conflict ... but the fact that any disputed point is always on the verge of developing from a cold phase to a hot one is for sure ... an increase of a dozen people ... the appearance of new equipment ... construction of a new facility ... anything in that case is the reason ...
A strange coincidence of the synchronization of the escalation of tension along the borders of India from Pakistan and China ... This does not happen by chance ...

[Free wind]

Yes, let them whip, do not worry at all.

[unhappy]

The Chinese are bulling. Who forgot - Tibet lost its independence not so long ago, like under Mao.

[Karaul73]

Let both sides of the couples release and calm down. And then it’s up to the diplomats.

[Eug]

For Russia, this is shitty - both countries buy Russian weapons. Both may require to decide on the support side and as a result, relations with one of the buyers may be lost or greatly complicated .. but if you manage to resolve the conflict through the mediation of Russia, it will be brilliant success ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Eug

Both may require a decision on the support side.

Are there precedents?

[Maxwrx]

Yes! Israel blackmailed over Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, the United States when Iran was not supplied with the S-300.

[Servisinzhener]

A very tense region where many interests intersect. In 2019, it was administratively separated from such a region as Jammu and Kashmir. So here the dispute is not between two nuclear powers, but three. India, China, Pakistan. Which side should Russia be on? On his own. All three countries buy weapons from us. And if they need more weapons, then they need to sell them.

[steelmaker]

What is the cause of the conflict?
“One possible source of current border tensions, according to Indian and foreign military experts, is the fact that India is building a road near the Galvan Valley to close the gap with China’s more developed road network that was created several years ago. Beijing, in turn, opposes any Indian construction in the area, calling it a disputed territory.
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/06/16/indiya-i-kitay-vstupili-v-zhestokiy-boy-na-granice-est-pogibshie "
"India has also begun construction of a runway on the main highway in neighboring Kashmir, another disputed region between India and Pakistan, which is backed by China.
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/06/16/indiya-i-kitay-vstupili-v-zhestokiy-boy-na-granice-est-pogibshie "
Judging by this information, China began to greet.

[voyaka uh]

There, the border runs in the middle of the lake.
The area is "hot". Indian province of Kashmir, for which India and Pakistan periodically fight. Both capitals, Islamabad and Delhi, are not that far from this disputed area. China there built a railway to Pakistan not far away. It is now easy for China to move troops there.

[TatarinSSSR]

There is insanely beautiful on this lake. As if you are on another planet.

[alone]

The Chinese and the Indians have an unresolved territorial dispute .. They already once fought in 1962 and China captured part of India, almost destroying the 4th Indian Infantry Division .. Since then, such skirmishes between them are not new ..
P, S. In general, this region is very complicated in the military-political sense. There are 3 nuclear powers that are openly at odds with each other .. Where about 3 billion people live, who live in very difficult conditions ..

[aviator6768]

9th company - seven 200s ... 17 - a bit too much, if true, then the consequences will be ... Although - both there and there - a billion ... for us, Russians, (we are few guys, in total 50 million !!), it will be difficult to hold on ... although the Donbass is encouraging - although the state support is zero, the guys got twenty each - they left ... But - they are holding frUnt ... Beauties! I don't even know - what are the motivations ... It's just that nothing comes to mind except "stuck" ...

[Vipirozhnikow]

Quote: Mitroha

Knowing some "fanatical attitude" between these countries, and taking into account the size of the population, as well as the presence of nuclear weapons, clashes can lead to extremely negative consequences both for the region and the whole world. At the very least, this will be an additional blow to the economy amid the pandemic and the oil wars.
2020 does not stop unpleasantly pouring negative

According to the results of their conflict, agricultural products can sharply fall in price.