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"Do not give the enemy respite": supply of partisans during the war

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It is impossible to overestimate the contribution to the Victory of the people's avengers, Soviet partisans and underground workers of the Great Patriotic War. The disorganized rear of the Wehrmacht, disrupted communications, which impeded the supply of enemy troops on the front lines, a merciless fight with the invaders, forcing them to literally shy away from every bush ... And most importantly, a clear signal for all those who were in the occupation: Motherland does not give up, its best sons and daughters fight with the enemy even in its rear. So, there is hope and there will be a victory!


The life of the partisans, as well as any warriors, is not only ingenious ambushes, sudden raids, crushing blows to the enemy. The effectiveness of a fighter’s actions is determined by providing him with everything necessary. How much will you fight on an empty stomach, sick, in torn clothes and shoes, and besides, with a faulty weaponsammunition to which barely enough? Alas, very often such a situation was characteristic of our partisans, especially in the initial period of their activity. Corrected it in different ways.

Some very clever compatriots who consider themselves great experts in military affairs allow themselves to reproach the leadership of the USSR for ruining the entire potential of the partisan movement that was created in the country in the 20s and 30s. Now, if by 1941 the warehouses and “burials” created then were preserved, if they had not been squandered, and the personnel of trained saboteurs were “completely repressed”, then partisans would have shown the Germans! And so ... What could they? ..

This corresponds to reality to a fairly small extent. As for the "total repression" - just nonsense. The fact that since the end of the 30s in the Soviet Union really began curtailing preparations for guerrilla warfare on its territory, does not indicate at all the shortsightedness of the country's leadership, army and special services. Those who today undertake to criticize such a decision, in fact, blame Stalin and others for not intending to allow the enemy to reach Moscow and the Volga, but had the firm intention to beat them with "little blood on someone else’s territory." And, by the way, all the grounds for adopting just such a military doctrine existed, but this is a completely different topic ...

Warehouses for partisans. These are hundreds of thousands of small arms buried in the ground, tons of ammunition, food and medicine. All this was necessary for the Red Army, which was to advance to the West. How it turned out is another question. Yes, and these caches were not completely eliminated, they were seriously reduced. One way or another, but at the first, most difficult stage of the Great Patriotic War, the people's avengers, whose detachments, as a rule, were created spontaneously from those who were surrounded by Red Army fighters, members of the party-Soviet asset, and law enforcement officials, had to be content with what was at hand .

As for weapons, the partisans basically got what was left on the battlefield. Sometimes something remained in the military depots, which did not have time to evacuate or destroy, but this was rare. Get in the battle? Well, it’s understandable: in the majority of not very reliable films about the war the partisans are armed entirely with German “trunks”, of which they scorch, not counting cartridges. It’s just that these pictures are taken by those who don’t know that in reality, the ammunition can be removed from the corpse of an enemy, which you won’t be able to fight with for half a day. And there is no need to talk about such specific things as mines, detonators and detonators, which are especially necessary in a guerrilla war. Their rank and file infantrymen do not carry on themselves.

In fact, the quantity, for example, of automatic weapons taken by partisans from the enemy was scanty: not more than 5% of the total. Yes, we got out as we could: attacked the garrisons and German warehouses, smelted tol from unexploded ordnance and bombs, "gutted" enemy minefields. But such escapades often ended with irreparable losses ... Therefore, the main source of supply for the partisans was weapons and ammunition, delivered to them, as a rule, by air from the "mainland".

Only air pilots fleet Over the years of World War II, the Red Army carried out more than 100 thousand deliveries to the enemy rear for partisans. Cargo was usually dropped by parachute (but often without it - from low altitudes so as not to “unmask”) or received at improvised field airfields specially equipped under the enemy’s nose. For example, Ukrainian people's avengers during the war received thus more than 12 and a half thousand submachine guns, 3 and a half thousand rifles, more than 1200 machine guns, 272 mortars, about five hundred anti-tank rifles and even 20 cannons. As well as 13 million rounds of ammunition for various weapons.

The Central headquarters of the partisan movement, created in 1942, headed by Panteleimon Ponomarenko, as well as similar headquarters created under each of the fronts of the Red Army, were engaged in organizing these deliveries. I must say that misconceptions about the possibility of partisans to provide themselves with weapons and ammunition were initially present among the leaders of these bodies, but reality quickly made adjustments.

Naturally, one more important moment that could only be provided with help from the "mainland" was the supply of detachments with medicines, medical supplies, and in general everything necessary for the treatment of wounded and sick fighters who were in Spartan conditions. Alcohol as an anesthesia and a household saw used for surgical operations, alas, were common for them in the absence of supplies from the front line ...

One cannot but mention the supply of guerrillas with clothing supplies and, of course, food. It would seem that here the issue would definitely have to be resolved “on the spot”. However, with this, everything was far from simple. Yes, local residents, as a rule, gave partisans literally the last absolutely voluntarily, and not “at gunpoint”, contrary to the insinuations spread today. The question was that this “last” one often did not exist at all: everything that was on the peasant farms was cleaned up by the occupiers and their local accomplices-policemen. Partisans could not take bread from hungry children and often swelled from hunger themselves or raided German garrisons, not only for weapons, but also in the hope of obtaining food. With luck, they subsequently generously shared with the local population.


Many groups organized "subsidiary farms", replenished their diet with "pasture": hunting, fishing, picking mushrooms and berries. They themselves sewed and patched clothes, shoes, in some units there were even workshops, not only repairing, but also manufacturing weapons. However, without the help of the “mainland” the number of victims among the partisans would definitely be greater, and the effectiveness of the detachments would be lower. With its support, which was becoming more and more significant every month, whole partisan territories appeared in the enemy rear, where not only detachments acted, but also whole formations of people's avengers, following Stalin’s order: “To beat invaders in their rear is continuous and merciless, not giving them a break ".
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 21 June 2020 09: 28 New
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    The whole country, from young to old, came to the defense of the Fatherland! I remember in school we all wanted to be like Lenya Golikova or Zina Portnova .. In the foyer of the school, there was a bust of Vali Kotik, a pioneer squad was named after him ...
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 21 June 2020 14: 10 New
      +3
      My pioneer squad was named after Leni Golikov, and in the neighboring village there was a squad named after Vali Kotik
  2. WILL
    WILL 21 June 2020 09: 30 New
    12
    Yes, Not stupid People at all were part of the State Defense Committee! Coordinate the actions of many thousands of partisan detachments, set them tasks, carry out their support and supply ... The task is not an easy one. Honor and praise to both the Ordinary Participants and the Guerrilla Leadership Movement!
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 21 June 2020 09: 47 New
      +8
      I wonder who is minus you?
      1. WILL
        WILL 21 June 2020 09: 53 New
        12
        I honestly - Done on this do not care! Some mediocrity, not enough Brains for arguments - it's easier to put a minus! hi
        Quote: avia12005
        I wonder who is minus you?

        Someone personal accounts laughing
      2. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 21 June 2020 12: 30 New
        +5
        Who is minus? Well, several "oppositionists" to everything with a split mind can be seen below. And the majority are representatives of the Dark Forces, who have recently become active in VO on some topics. They do not comment, but silently minus. Usually this is how the GCD and foreign "friends" act. Often not numerous, but from different accounts: they create the appearance of mass character.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 21 June 2020 12: 25 New
      +2
      Dear St. John's wort, please tell me GKO coordinated the actions of the partisans in the year 41? , set tasks, supplied?
      If you are interested, then I can tell you how my father became / went into partisans ...
      1. WILL
        WILL 21 June 2020 17: 48 New
        +5
        Dear Skalendark, We were preparing for a completely different War ... The partisan movement accordingly began almost spontaneously, as indicated in the article - the first partisan detachments were the remnants of the regular Red Army units that were deep in the German rear, often without ties to the Center or the Local Undergrounds ( where it was created). At the GKO, they were well aware of the situation, almost from the first months of the war the planned work began to gain control over the situation. Work went on, liaison officers, radio operators set off, established contacts with the existing detachments, the Partisans established contacts with the Local population and the created Underground, by the beginning of 1942 - almost all full-fledged Partisan detachments were already controlled and supplied with Centralized, and on May 30, 1942 - with the order of the GKO, The Central Headquarters of the Partisan Movement at the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander was created.
        I think everyone will be interested to know how your Father became a Partisan! hi
  3. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 21 June 2020 09: 31 New
    -2
    Yes, I read the article and thought, for whom / what is it written for ?, for the senior nursery group of kindergarten?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 June 2020 10: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Skalendarka
      Yes, I read the article and thought, for whom / what is it written for ?, for the senior nursery group of kindergarten?

      I think for the victims of the exam. Apparently, they also visit this site. But I’m interested in something else. How was Kovpak able to fight at first without contact with the headquarters of the partisan movement with hunting rifles? request Well, judging by the article ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 June 2020 11: 29 New
        +7
        How was Kovpak able to fight at first without contact with the headquarters of the partisan movement with hunting rifles?
        ... It’s not so simple with Kovpak’s detachment, read his book. Skip slogans and other things, but get into the essence ...
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 21 June 2020 12: 16 New
        +2
        I can’t say anything for Kovpak, but ... for the detachment to them. Frunze, for my father I know from the source (s).
        How they organized, how partisans or what they fought ...
        My father was in the partisans from November 41 to July 44, and then on foot from Minsk to Berlin.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 21 June 2020 13: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Skalendarka
          I can’t say anything for Kovpak, but ... for the detachment to them. Frunze, for my father I know from the source (s).
          How they organized, how partisans or what they fought ...
          My father was in the partisans from November 41 to July 44, and then on foot from Minsk to Berlin.

          So as not to think that I was just shaking the air ...
      3. 210ox
        210ox 21 June 2020 12: 24 New
        +5
        Glory hi In the initial period of the war, the Nazis didn’t take partisans seriously, and they didn’t carry out major operations, but gradually, gradually increased their forces — they smashed convoys, garrisons, stocked up their own and trophy weapons. for the errors of the navigators, they scattered them at the beginning of 42 years throughout the territory of the region. They already had weapons.
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 June 2020 17: 24 New
        +7
        Kovpak was a business executive before the war, however, with the experience of the First World War and the Civil War. Therefore, he paid a lot of attention to everyday issues, without which the partisans simply died out of hunger.
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 21 June 2020 09: 56 New
    +7
    You went quietly into the night ...
    Adults and children walked silently,
    To one day at dawn
    Drive the enemy mercilessly away.
    You had your own front
    In the rear of the Nazis you smashed.
    They sprinkled their own blood
    All Russia along the horizon.
    Losing loved ones,
    You gritted your teeth to pain
    With a groan, they hugged the earth
    And they fought for three.
    By the guerrilla fire
    You warmed up after the fight.
    And to heaven, from the war crazy,
    Loud flew: "Hurray!"
    May the thankful rumor
    From generation to generation
    About the partisan movement
    Brings kind words.
    And he remembers the forest, the trench, the dugout,
    As for the sake of life did not regret
    Myself. And they managed to save the world.
    The bow of the earth for your deed!
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 June 2020 10: 06 New
    -7
    I don’t understand how the burial grounds could help in the war ... Either everyone knows about them, then there’s a great chance that the Germans will be the first to get to them — they will find a collaborator and stupidly shoot all potential partisans in an ambush at the warehouse. Either a couple of gebists know, and the question is how they will run through the forests, look for partisans and hand out trunks. At the same time, without trunks in both cases the militia will remain.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 June 2020 10: 19 New
      +9
      Cowbra, if you don't understand, watch the first episode of "Thinking about Kovpak".
    2. WILL
      WILL 21 June 2020 10: 24 New
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      If at the initial stage of the War Partisan detachments arose spontaneously, then further it was a controlled process, with the Central command and control and supply from the Center.
      And the Soviet underground members - initially were Local Party, Komsomol, Police and NKVD - Personnel. Accordingly, they had information - about weapons caches. We have been preparing for Partisan War since the end of the 20s, through the NKVD and the Intelligence Directorate. There is a good article on this topic dated June 29.06.2012, XNUMX.
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 June 2020 10: 26 New
    +1
    Good article. Nevertheless, the minuses were canceled in vain. It would be interesting to see the ratings of the authors. This article is definitely a plus.
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 June 2020 10: 32 New
    -4
    Warehouses for partisans. These are hundreds of thousands of small arms buried in the ground, tons of ammunition, food and medicine. All this was necessary for the Red Army, which was to advance to the West. How it turned out is another question.

    Oh, did the author know something new about the Red Army’s offensive plans for the West? So are we, that, in vain it turns out, for so many years we roll a barrel on Rezun-Suvorov? recourse
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 June 2020 10: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Oh, did the author know something new about the Red Army’s offensive plans for the West? So are we, that, in vain it turns out, for so many years we roll a barrel on Rezun-Suvorov? recourse
      Alexey, I don’t know what you think to yourself, BUT YOU MUST WATCH the film "Duma about Kovpak". wink
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 June 2020 10: 49 New
        -1
        Quote: sabakina
        Alexey, I don’t know what you think to yourself, BUT YOU MUST WATCH the film "Duma about Kovpak".

        This film, Vyacheslav, I watched about 45 years ago, perhaps even before your birth. But this does not at all give an answer to my question to the author. hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 21 June 2020 10: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov

          This film, Vyacheslav, I watched about 45 years ago, perhaps even before your birth. But this does not at all give an answer to my question to the author. hi

          This is your whole Jewish essence. I was born in 1967, the film "Duma about Kovpak. Nabat" was released in 1973. Do you think I understood nothing at all in 1973? angry
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 June 2020 11: 13 New
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            This is all your Jewish nounьtion.

            Do you think, my dear, that in such a tone it is permissible to discuss here?
            I dare not hold back anymore. hi
    2. Avior
      Avior 21 June 2020 10: 43 New
      -5
      Yesterday, Rezuna was personally denied by comrade (or mister?) Putin.
      The USSR did not have the slightest plans for an attack on Germany, even preventive ones. Germany, Comrade Stalin was quite satisfied, it turns out.
      It is understood that when the Red Army goes on the counterattack, ammunition and fat from the pits were dug out.
      Nonsense, of course.
      Reserves were created for the partisans, who were organizedly left during the retreat.
      1. alone
        alone 21 June 2020 12: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        personally denied comrade (or mister?) Putin.

        It's time to decide laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 June 2020 13: 21 New
          0
          He bifurcates in that matter
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 21 June 2020 13: 21 New
      +4
      Do you think that the task of the Red Army was to retreat east? You confuse the preventive strike and the Soviet military doctrine: to beat the enemy on his own territory, without giving up an inch of his land.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 June 2020 13: 34 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Do you think that the task of the Red Army was to retreat east? You confuse the preventive strike and the Soviet military doctrine: to beat the enemy on his own territory, without giving up an inch of his land.

        Excuse me, are you the author of the article? My question was addressed to the author. hi
  8. vladcub
    vladcub 21 June 2020 14: 44 New
    +2
    "Some helluva lot of clever compatriots who consider themselves experts in military affairs" actually said about it: Ilya Grigorievich Starikov "god of sabotage", professor of the higher school of the KGB. Stanislav Alekseevich Vaupshasov, Hero of the Soviet Union, one of the leaders of the partisan movement.
    Better hardly anyone on this topic.
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 June 2020 17: 33 New
    0
    As for the self-supply of partisans. I read memoirs of a participant in a large sabotage detachment (more than 100 fighters), abandoned in the summer of 1942 in Karelia to the rear of the Finns. These, of course, were not partisans, but the difficulties were similar. In particular, the problem of food supply became very acute, there were hopes to eat at the expense of fishing, but it was impossible to catch fish from such a mass of people. After this raid, such large groups never sent such large groups again.
  10. Kramb
    Kramb 21 June 2020 23: 31 New
    -3
    The theme of the partisan movement during the Second World War and WW2 is unlikely to be fully disclosed.
    A lot of things in the archives were cleaned up, a lot of things weren’t specially fixed, a lot of attention wasn’t specially communicated.
    Unfortunately, the partisans' memoirs were always censored and simply crossed out the truth.
    The same memoirs of Kovpak should be read carefully, and especially the memories of meeting ordinary people with him ... those who left these stories for you and me.
    A simple example, at first the guerrillas carried out sabotage on the railways by blowing up or simply dismantling railroad tracks ... but then the "wise party" decided that blowing up rails was not an effective job, but it was necessary to blow up steam locomotives. Few of the partisans wrote in their memoirs why the rails were blown up in the initial period ... and it was not the partisans' lack of explosives, but a more serious tragedy ...
    When the Germans captured the railway station, the rear services took control of all the former railway employees and forced them to go to work, by threatening to shoot their families and relatives. In some cases, families of railway employees were taken hostage. And if you think that during that period the steam locomotives in the territory of the occupied part of the USSR were controlled by Germans or other allies of Germany ... then no, Soviet citizens did it under the threat of family destruction ...
    What do you think, what would be the attitude of the locals to the partisan detachment, which stupidly "followed" the instructions of the data from the center of the Partisan movement, about the actual destruction of their own "citizens".
    The leadership is far away, and the local population is nearby ... that’s why the NKVD sabotage troops often threw themselves ... they didn’t care about local residents ... and local partisan detachments were always considered not trustworthy.
    I will give an example that will not be clearly noted in the WWII chronicle. So, there is a very deep heart of Kiev, a village located in such a fox-marshy area where the locals did not particularly meddle, for there were many wolves there. Somehow, the rear part of the Wehrmacht support reached it and settled down for the entire time of the occupation. It consisted entirely of veterans of the First World War, here the village and its environs were just lucky. There were no atrocities, robbery, violence and hijacking of youth in Germany ... and even there were no Politsaev in that area. The German rear troops were wise and did not create problems for themselves not local ... they did not have anger and relations, the types of Slavs are slaves, and we are gentlemen. Well lucky the village, what to say.
    So a flying partisan detachment appeared in those parts, history did not report ... either a detachment, or a "gang" of the NKVD ... but what they began to do ... robbery of the local population was the smallest evil .. ...
    But in the end, patience ran out not only among the Germans, but also among the locals ... let's say, the locals drove these "partisans" who did not give a damn about the local population ... into the local swamp ... they blocked the escape routes and called attention to the aid of the logisticians ... they organized a mortar raid ... then the locals went there ... in general, the "control of the partisan movement" correctly understood the hint and until the end of the occupation no longer sent "stray" Varangians, not only to that village, but to the whole area and coming too.
    When the time came for the liberation of the village, the Germans gathered, left ... Soviet power arrived. There were no dismantling ships, the NKVD did not carry out an investigation, the remaining men left for the Soviet army and honestly reached the end of the war. Some died, some returned to that village back.
    Why the speech, there was no pure division into good and evil in the Partisan movement, as in the cleaned up "partisan memoirs", everything was much more complicated. Those who read the memoirs of Kovpak and Vereshchagin ... will understand hints about the truth about the partisan movement between the lines.
  11. Kramb
    Kramb 22 June 2020 09: 57 New
    -3
    “One cannot but mention the supply of clothing allowances and, of course, food to the partisans. It would seem that here the issue should have been unambiguously solved“ on the spot. ”However, even with this, everything was far from so simple. Yes, local residents, how as a rule, they gave the partisans literally the last absolutely voluntarily, and not "at the muzzles of rifles", despite the insinuations spread today. "

    But this is of course the highlight of the whole article. Which of the partisans in the memoirs admits that they robbed the local population using weapons as a threat. Let's write the truth to the end - there were cases when the population voluntarily helped the partisans, but there were also cases when the "solution" of the food issue was "decided on the spot" by means of weapons. Let's write the truth, not one mother will voluntarily give up food if her children live in a half-starved state.

    And the topic of supplying weapons and food for partisan detachments from the air, when I read the memoirs of partisans, I was surprised by one fact - not everything fell into their hands ... it was written like this, "German accomplices" made fires like partisans and they got this supply.
    And then I read an interesting thing about the postscripts of the leaders of the partisan detachments on the losses of the Wehrmacht ... when one blown up car was sometimes attributed to 5 partisan detachments at once ... and whoever reported more about the successful struggle of the partisans against the invaders ... he received help .. . and fires were made not by "local policemen" or "Wehrmacht" ... but in most cases by other partisan detachments, which no longer had enough "military assistance" and who suffered in everything and could not understand about such selective assistance from the party management of the partisans ...

    Why is there no mention of the complete failure of the partisan movement in Crimea? When the dropped NKVD detachments were deciding the issue of food "on the spot", taking away the latter not only from the Tatars, but also from the local population ... and why did you not write that the "robber squads" of the NKVD were driven into the mountains not only by the Tatars, but by the brutalized of banal robbery, Soviet citizens abandoned to their fate in the occupation ...
    And how the NKVD "gangs" driven into the mountains shouted openly to the whole world on the radio that the local "population" was hostile to the "partisans" and that they needed supplies, that they had already eaten all the leather things. And that to supply these detachments they drove sea IL-4, removing those from combat missions.

    And for Thomas the unbeliever, I recommend reading the memoirs of partisans, especially about long-distance raids and when the Partisan Directorate forced Kovpak and other partisan commanders, despite all their resistance, to go into the raid along the same route as before ... and as expected it "met" the local population and how they were "supplied" with food (in the film Duma about Kovpak, this overlooked moment is) that in the middle of the raid even Kovpak ran out of food in the detachments, despite all attempts to solve the problem of supplying food with local funds.

    MAYBE ENOUGH AGAIN LIE AND CLEAR THE HISTORY OF WWII AND WW2!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 22 June 2020 15: 00 New
      +2
      In Chechnya, the local population also supported the militants. But if they began to rob, then they themselves would surrender such scumbags to the troops.
      Therefore, no lies here. The one who lacked the mind to establish relations with the local population did not survive for a long time. This is a no brainer.
      And what you write, maybe there have been such cases. But to say that in droves, local residents fought with the partisans, this is frank nonsense.
      1. Kramb
        Kramb 23 June 2020 14: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: glory1974
        And what you write, maybe there have been such cases.

        These were not isolated cases, let's say 50/50 these were the realities of partisan life. As soon as non-local spies of the NKVD arrived from the center and began to "crush" with their authority, the partisan detachment came to an end - as stupid short-sighted actions began and the local population simply burst out of patience.
        Moreover, it makes no difference - in Europe, in Russia, in Belarus, in Ukraine.

        There was no partisan movement during the Second World War and WW2 "white", "honest" ...
        It was - and these truthful pages of history are once again trying to rewrite with similar articles.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 23 June 2020 15: 00 New
          +1
          These were not isolated cases, let's say 50/50; these were the realities of partisan life.

          This is complete nonsense.
          As soon as non-local spies of the NKVD arrived from the center and began to "crush" with their authority, then the partisan detachment came to an end

          about 100 thousand employees of the NKVD acted in partisan detachments. No one has carried out any short-sighted actions against their local population. Full nonsense.
          It’s the same as the squad leader is conducting an action against his fighters, including potential ones.
          But Goebbels, yes, he said that partisans are terrorists.
          there was no partisan movement during the Second World War and WW2 "white", "honest" ...

          generally read who the guerrillas are. Judging by your comments, you think that these are bandits who robbed local residents behind enemy lines. The partisan movement is not possible without the support of the local population. The very fact that hundreds of thousands of partisans fought in detachments refutes all your speculations.
  12. Gorbunov Artem
    Gorbunov Artem 23 June 2020 11: 00 New
    +1
    I think it is unnecessary to interfere with the history of quotes from people who say - "if only." There are no "woulds" in history. In general, the article is not bad, I hope there will be a continuation. The guerrilla theme should be of interest to young people.
  13. Kramb
    Kramb 23 June 2020 15: 37 New
    -1
    Quote: Gorbunov Artem
    But in general, the article is not bad, I hope there will be a continuation.

    Yeah, this is a custom-made article with the next "truthful" gems written according to the manuals of the Political Administration of the USSR - even the writing style.

    And as I hope it will raise the question of "selective" awarding partisans after the war with the medal "Partisan of the Patriotic War" and how real partisans were not awarded it and ignored them.

    And will it address the question of how partisan formations, when they were infused into the Red Army, were scattered among the units so that even 2 partisans did not serve in the same unit?

    And what about the trade in certificates, towards the end of the occupation, by the commanders of partisan detachments "about helping the partisan detachment" with KhIVI, punitive officers, policemen, informers, and wardens?

    Also say that this was not and that this is all a lie?
  14. Kramb
    Kramb 23 June 2020 16: 37 New
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    Quote: glory1974
    generally read who the guerrillas are. Judging by your comments, you think that these are bandits who robbed local residents behind enemy lines. The partisan movement is not possible without the support of the local population. The very fact that hundreds of thousands of partisans fought in detachments refutes all your speculations.

    Quote: glory1974
    This is complete nonsense.

    Did you even read the partisans' memoirs, the memoirs of those who survived the occupation or who were surrounded?
    It was different - there was support from the local population, there was open hostility. There were thinking partisan commanders who figured out what would happen to the local population after their operations, and there were NKVD spies who did not care about the local population, there were outright gangs of encirclement, there were gangs of criminals.
    Remind you how "wise" the Partisan command at the head of the NKVD ordered Kovpak to destroy the Sarny railway junction. And if Kovpak had carried out this order head-on, would the entire partisan unit have been killed there? But these orders were received by the partisan detachments in batches.
    And remind you of the sub-item in the Soviet autobiographical questionnaires - did you or your relatives live in the occupied territory during the war? I found these profiles. Or say it was not there either?
    There was everything in such a terrible war - there was heroism - there was cowardice, there were real people, but there were scum.
    There were elders, policemen who secretly helped the partisans, and there were scum from partisan units that shot their own people so that they would be left alive.
    This is our living story, which again they are trying to rewrite for the sake of state goals.
  15. Kramb
    Kramb 23 June 2020 16: 44 New
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    Quote: glory1974
    about 100 thousand employees of the NKVD acted in partisan detachments. No one has carried out any short-sighted actions against their local population. Full nonsense.

    Just one example, Kharkiv region, Ofremivska Hatin. When the local "gang" of the NKVD stupidly complied with the order and, without reconnaissance, shot and killed several soldiers, and then stupidly dumped without concealing the attack. Only they killed the SS soldiers of the nearest regiment, to say what the regiment did next to the population of the nearest village? Speak there was no short-sighted NKVD shares?
  16. trahterist
    trahterist 25 June 2020 00: 17 New
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    “One cannot but mention the supply of clothing allowances and, of course, food to the partisans. It would seem that here the issue should have been unambiguously solved“ on the spot. ”However, even with this, everything was far from so simple. Yes, local residents, how as a rule, they gave the partisans literally the last absolutely voluntarily, and not "at the muzzles of rifles", despite the insinuations spread today. "

    But this is of course the highlight of the whole article. Which of the partisans in the memoirs admits that they robbed the local population using weapons as a threat. Let's write the truth to the end - there were cases when the population voluntarily helped the partisans, but there were also cases when the "solution" of the food issue was "decided on the spot" by means of weapons. Let's write the truth, not one mother will voluntarily give up food if her children live in a half-starved state.

    And the topic of supplying weapons and food for partisan detachments from the air, when I read the memoirs of partisans, I was surprised by one fact - not everything fell into their hands ... it was written like this, "German accomplices" made fires like partisans and they got this supply.
    And then I read an interesting thing about the postscripts of the leaders of the partisan detachments on the losses of the Wehrmacht ... when one blown up car was sometimes attributed to 5 partisan detachments at once ... and whoever reported more about the successful struggle of the partisans against the invaders ... he received help .. . and fires were made not by "local policemen" or "Wehrmacht" ... but in most cases by other partisan detachments, which no longer had enough "military assistance" and who suffered in everything and could not understand about such selective assistance from the party management of the partisans ...

    Why is there no mention of the complete failure of the partisan movement in Crimea? When the dropped NKVD detachments were deciding the issue of food "on the spot", taking away the latter not only from the Tatars, but also from the local population ... and why did you not write that the "robber squads" of the NKVD were driven into the mountains not only by the Tatars, but by the brutalized of banal robbery, Soviet citizens abandoned to their fate in the occupation ...
    And how the NKVD "gangs" driven into the mountains shouted openly to the whole world on the radio that the local "population" was hostile to the "partisans" and that they needed supplies, that they had already eaten all the leather things. And that to supply these detachments they drove sea IL-4, removing those from combat missions.

    And for Thomas the unbeliever, I recommend reading the memoirs of partisans, especially about long-distance raids and when the Partisan Directorate forced Kovpak and other partisan commanders, despite all their resistance, to go into the raid along the same route as before ... and as expected it "met" the local population and how they were "supplied" with food (in the film Duma about Kovpak, this overlooked moment is) that in the middle of the raid even Kovpak ran out of food in the detachments, despite all attempts to solve the problem of supplying food with local funds.

    MAYBE ENOUGH AGAIN LIE AND CLEAR THE HISTORY OF WWII AND WW2!

    A cat with a lamp is quite appropriate under your "sheet".
    Yes, yes, that one.
    So the minuses are deserved in full.
  17. trahterist
    trahterist 25 June 2020 00: 30 New
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    Quote: Kramb
    Quote: glory1974
    And what you write, maybe there have been such cases.

    These were not isolated cases, let's say 50/50 these were the realities of partisan life. As soon as non-local spies of the NKVD arrived from the center and began to "crush" with their authority, the partisan detachment came to an end - as stupid short-sighted actions began and the local population simply burst out of patience.
    Moreover, it makes no difference - in Europe, in Russia, in Belarus, in Ukraine.

    There was no partisan movement during the Second World War and WW2 "white", "honest" ...
    It was - and these truthful pages of history are once again trying to rewrite with similar articles.

    It was during the initial period of the partisan movement that there were "stupid, short-sighted actions" of separate, spontaneously self-organized groups of "people's avengers".
    It is understandable that they didn’t graduate from the academies, the maximum number of sergeants from the encirclement, if any officer came across, there’s already a considerable chance to at least survive the first attack on the enemy’s garrison, not to mention the achievement of any goal.
    Of course, there were also separate "wild" groups that were engaged in looting, this is WAR, you are my sofa analyst, and there often "anything happens", not all people have high moral qualities, and there were enough black sheep in any war (and enough), but NOT THEY determine the whole essence of what is happening.
    Similar excesses are minuscule, compared with the mass of positive examples.
    But with the beginning of the Centralized Management, it was just that Meaningful, Clearly Planned, Large-scale actions became possible, with brilliant results (The same Rail War, the disabling of the Dnieper-Bug Canal, read about the Surazh "gates" too, and they did a lot of things) ...
    I must note that you are not the first who clearly purposefully promotes a negative image of the entire partisan movement in the Second World War, on LiveJournal a couple of such disinformers (with whole gangs of "eyewitnesses / victims of partisan arbitrariness" in the comments) noticed recently.
  18. Kramb
    Kramb 26 June 2020 23: 42 New
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    It was during the initial period of the partisan movement that there were "stupid, short-sighted actions" of separate, spontaneously self-organized groups of "people's avengers".

    I gave a terrible example of the Ephraim Khatyn ... it was February 17, 1943.

    Of course, there were also separate "wild" groups that were engaged in looting, this is WAR, you are my sofa analyst, and there often "anything happens", not all people have high moral qualities, and there were enough black sheep in any war (and enough), but NOT THEY determine the whole essence of what is happening.
    Similar excesses are minuscule, compared with the mass of positive examples.


    The mass of examples + and - examples leads to the idea that not everything was so cloudless in the partisan movement ... many people forget to write about this in regular regular articles. And then another "custom-made fairy tale" is being written about partisans in a terrible war.

    But with the beginning of the Centralized Management, it was just that Meaningful, Clearly Planned, Large-scale actions became possible, with brilliant results (The same Rail War, the disabling of the Dnieper-Bug Canal, read about the Surazh "gates" too, and they did a lot of things) ...


    We will take into account the losses of the local population from these "brilliant" operations, will the executed innocent mass hostages not agree with the "brilliant" operations of the central administration?
    If my memory serves me right, he was headed by the "brilliant strategist" Voroshilov, who was dismissed from everything connected with the management of personnel troops?


    I must note that you are not the first who clearly purposefully promotes a negative image of the entire partisan movement in the Second World War, on LiveJournal a couple of similar disinformers (with whole gangs of "eyewitnesses / victims of partisan tyranny" in the comments) noticed recently


    You have not refuted with facts any of my theses on the partisan movement, except for the example of the "brilliant" operations of centralized control of partisan troops.

    You have not read the censored memoirs:
    - doctors and nurses of both the Red Army and partisan detachments;
    - both leadership and ordinary partisans;
    - underground members;
    - saboteurs issued by the NKDV under a simplified training program for operations behind enemy lines;
    - residents of the occupied territories;
    - a soldier of the Red Army who was surrounded, captive;
    - pilots flying behind enemy lines both for performing special operations of the NKVD and for supplying partisan detachments;
    - children of war.
    And I considered only memoirs that passed Soviet censorship.

    Do you want lupana the truth, cruel about the atrocities of both the Nazi and the Soviet regime. What you are trying to whiten now ...
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    2. Kramb
      Kramb 27 June 2020 09: 16 New
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      We are still waiting in the archives for terrible details ... read it and you will understand why such ordered articles should be critically examined, they are written on the orders of those who cleaned up facts and documents after the war. They are again trying to rewrite history - again they are trying to show the "wisdom" of the party leadership. Again they are trying to brainwash the population.
  19. tolancop
    tolancop 24 August 2020 13: 59 New
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    The topic is not new. Many memoirs of partisan commanders have been written. There is about everything: about the preparation of partisan bases (food, clothing, weapons, etc.) during the creation of partisan detachments; on supply at the expense of the enemy and the population; about cargo from the "mainland", etc. And I think that these memoirs can be trusted, especially those written immediately after the war, hot on the heels, since they contain less rattle about the role of the party, and more descriptions of the daily life of partisans. The editions of the same memoirs of the late 50s and beyond have already been "smoothed out": more about the "role of the party", less about mistakes and problems. Apparently, Iosif Vissarionovich was not afraid of the truth about the war .... unlike those who replaced him.