Experts comment on the statement on the dismantling by Russia of pipes for gas transit through Ukraine

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Experts comment on the Ukrainian statement about the start of dismantling the pipes of the gas pipeline, which is the main one for the so-called “Ukrainian” transit of Gazprom. The head of the company, which is responsible for the Ukrainian GTS (OGTSU), Sergey Makogon, said that with the help of dismantling, Russia "is going to destroy the very theoretical possibility of transporting gas through the territory of Ukraine."

Such a statement by Mr. Makogon appeared today in the publication OilPoint.



According to the main Ukrainian gas carrier, if Russia can complete the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, which, as you know, goes from the Russian Federation to Germany along the Baltic Sea, the Ukrainian gas transmission system will lose the transit of blue fuel.

Makogon declares “Russia's intransigence”, noting that Gazprom could sell gas to Europe “on the border with Ukraine”.

Experts, commenting on the situation, remind Sergey Makogon and the whole Kiev that the whole problem for Ukraine is not in Russia at all, but in the European position. This position is such that it is the EU that does not want to buy Russian gas on the Ukrainian border, as it clearly understands that Ukraine is an unreliable partner:

Ukraine itself has repeatedly proved this by simply stealing gas from a pipe - the gas that has already been sold to Europe.

There was no official confirmation that the dismantling of the transit gas pipeline pipes in the Russian territories adjacent to the Ukrainian border had begun.

For the completion of the SP-2 gas pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic, it is assumed that the Akademik Chersky vessel may be involved. However, at the moment, the construction of the pipeline has not been resumed. The United States threatens sanctions against any companies that will take part in completing a large-scale project that began at the time.

Today it became known that Alexey Miller was re-elected to the post of Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Neft.
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    1. -4
      16 June 2020 19: 51
      And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))
      1. +50
        16 June 2020 19: 53
        Quote: loki565
        And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

        Well, if you can’t see the end, the last bit is finished. Finally, the dream of id. winked
        1. +41
          16 June 2020 20: 32
          I agree! Finally, a real answer to all sorts of lawsuits and other "pornography". But diplomacy is already fed up. Such news pleases the ear. drinks
          1. -87
            16 June 2020 21: 06
            GDP brought the Russian Federation to the point of no return - pipes are cut into a new aircraft carrier of 70 tons of explosives. the sailors got their way, from the couch they won .....
            or gas or an aircraft carrier ...
            1. +15
              16 June 2020 21: 18
              Quote: antivirus
              or gas or aircraft carrier.

              Who has gas? We already have it.
              1. -11
                16 June 2020 23: 05
                Are you a member of the board of directors?
                1. +1
                  17 June 2020 19: 57
                  Quote: iouris
                  Are you a member of the board of directors?

                  Is this a prerequisite?
                  1. -1
                    17 June 2020 23: 27
                    This is a necessary and sufficient condition.
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2020 18: 53
                      Quote: iouris
                      It is necessary

                      That is, everyone who uses gas performs it?
            2. +10
              16 June 2020 21: 25
              I respect your point of view, especially "from the couch ........". But is it really necessary, in reality, aircraft carriers? Is it worth it? Corvetik can easily drown this colossus and 5000 people.
              1. +10
                16 June 2020 22: 15
                it is extremely unlikely to be drowned, but to disable and deprive the aircraft carrier of its main function is laughing
                1. +5
                  16 June 2020 22: 31
                  And when you consider that it is atomic? A sort of dirty, smelly atom. Bomb turns out and voila. They said that even the kinetics (without ammunition) of hypersound would be enough to penetrate an aircraft carrier through and through. Chernobyl is floating.
                  1. -5
                    16 June 2020 22: 49
                    Um ... So WWII bombs pierced through unarmored ships, without any hypersound. Usually, this wasn’t scary for the ships, because it’s not a tank - wherever you stick, it’s everywhere vital.
                    And so the aircraft carrier, no matter how sad it is to admit, as he reigned at sea, so reigns, and the rest ... Um, untenable
                    1. +13
                      16 June 2020 23: 04
                      The fact is different. No one has ever really attacked nuclear aircraft carriers. Even the "hegemons" themselves doubt their efficiency) in modern realities.
              2. +3
                16 June 2020 22: 16
                . Corvetik can easily drown this colossus and 5000 people.

                If you're lucky, of course. :)))
                1. +4
                  17 June 2020 10: 27
                  Quote: Avior
                  If you're lucky, of course. :)))

                  1. -3
                    17 June 2020 10: 49
                    the phrase is simply immortal, in all military forums on the marine theme you need to make the heading smile
            3. +9
              17 June 2020 00: 33
              Quote: antivirus
              GDP brought Russia to the point of no return - pipes are cut into a new aircraft carrier of 70 tons

              Yes, it happens that you’re still not new, just in case, to the nearest clinic. Well, at least go to the therapist, and he will already determine which specialist to send you to. hi
              1. -7
                17 June 2020 07: 39
                from a sofa it is more visible to what specialist to address .. already went (because of lack of aircraft carriers)?
                The confrontation between the rocket and the aircraft carrier is not in me, but began from the time of the NSKhrushchev and continues with an obvious advantage in favor of dry put and missile

                and GDP must make decisions and most likely make the right ones, for someone (couches ..) they are out of color (Yaroslavl paints, etc.)
                1. +2
                  17 June 2020 13: 14
                  Quote: antivirus
                  from a sofa it is more visible to what specialist to address .. already went (because of lack of aircraft carriers)?
                  The confrontation between the rocket and the aircraft carrier is not in me, but began from the time of the NSKhrushchev and continues with an obvious advantage in favor of dry put and missile
                  In the confusion, or rather the nonsense that you wrote in your comments, it’s generally hard to understand, moreover, there are couch specialists, Khrushchev with his confrontation, an aircraft carrier rocket, Yaroslavl paints, GDP and the pipeline ..
                  1. -2
                    17 June 2020 15: 21
                    confusion in the head and who-you need to read consistently in the profile -numerous articles on the topic "build 70 tons of aircraft carriers
                    most often minusers remember my several coms and sequentially "-------"
                    but for runners for ++++ and shoulder straps it is not important to read and comprehend what is happening in the world, - THE MAIN IMPORTANT "GET ON THE HYIP" - in the first rows to squeeze the com-you
            4. -13
              17 June 2020 08: 55
              And I thought from these pipes the Tsar’s disinfection corridor is being built in Novo-ogaryovo ..))
            5. +1
              17 June 2020 15: 26
              What kind of nonsense? Where is stolen, dill?
              1. -1
                17 June 2020 15: 28
                Kohlyatsky reprimand noticeable
                They wrote a lot about "it is necessary to build aircraft carriers and push gas to Europe".
                In my opinion, these hype topics are only two small factors in the life of a huge country, there are also military towns and schools (they did not discuss anything except the Unified State Exam) and security and 1001 other topics.
                "BUT THE MILITARY SHOULD POTTLE ABOUT GAS" and about "spaceships plow through the open spaces" - at this time "it is necessary to build aircraft carriers", although apart from Shoigu, Gerasimov and the General Staff also think about the Navy (probably).
                they are not yet kicked for corvettes in "1000 tons, not like under Ustinov"
                but soon the patriots will get to the "enemy of Gerasimov" and the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy - "WE WANT TO BUILD AIRCRAFT CARRIERS", but these do not listen to commentators on VO
          2. -20
            16 June 2020 21: 45
            Pipes for scrap! And sell gas to the Chinese, turning the western pipes to the East. And the main thing is not to contradict the wise leadership of China,
          3. -2
            16 June 2020 22: 14
            Quote: Welldone
            Such news caresses the rumor. drinks

            It’s easy, probably, to write news, caressing the ear, when the audience is let down by memory. Pipes will not be dismantled for another five years at least, because Ukraine and Russia have signed an agreement on gas transit for five years, have they forgotten all this already?

            "There has been no official confirmation that the dismantling of the transit gas pipeline has begun in the Russian territories adjacent to the Ukrainian border."

            It seems to me that the press service is creating a positive background to cover the payment of $ 1.5 billion to Poland by decision of the Stockholm arbitration, the deadline for which expires on July 1.
            1. +2
              16 June 2020 22: 48
              I want to note that I did not compose this news. But she was pleasant to my perception. Well, if it's a fake, then to hell with it) (Or maybe there is no smoke without fire?)
              1. -3
                16 June 2020 22: 50
                Quote: Welldone
                Or maybe there is no smoke without fire?

                It happens when a smoke screen is arranged.
                1. +1
                  16 June 2020 22: 58
                  Tautology.
              2. -6
                17 June 2020 08: 57
                Then you can still add that Ukraine is frozen .. since even fakes can be happy ..)))
                And at the expense of smoke without fire .. the man just mentioned this too:
                It seems to me that the press service is creating a positive background to cover the payment of $ 1.5 billion to Poland by decision of the Stockholm arbitration, the deadline for which expires on July 1.
            2. +8
              17 June 2020 02: 27
              Why not? Find the piping scheme and understand that before signing the last contract, Gazprom pumped through Ukraine an average of 80 billion cubic meters even after the Maidan. Now it will download 40. Power is excessive. So it’s quite possible they can start to do this with an eye to the fact that further transit will no longer be. And why then will it just stand so much?
            3. +1
              17 June 2020 09: 22
              Viy is remembered. Here the pan will send a thousand pieces of gold! Here we go for a walk!
              To which the wise man answered:
              go read. And read it!
              To bury a little panel early.
            4. 0
              17 June 2020 18: 37

              Quote: Welldone
              Such news caresses the rumor. drinks

              It’s easy, probably, to write news, caressing the ear, when the audience is let down by memory. Pipes will not be dismantled for another five years at least, because Ukraine and Russia have signed an agreement on gas transit for five years, have they forgotten all this already?

              And how do you like this option?
              Completing, or somewhere nearby, SP2. Then such a "surprise" !!! Somewhere, not far from the border of the Russian Federation with Ukraine, in late autumn, a section of a gas pipe suddenly explodes, which stretches towards Ukraine and which cannot be quickly restored. After a short period of time, infa pops up that "Ukrainian saboteurs" tore this pipe for a reason ... well, there could be any reason ... And Russia turns on the SP2 turbocharging so that Europe does not freeze, and the explosion is recognized as force majeure .. ... winked
              Of course, weak argumentation under "force majeure", but as an option ... laughing
          4. -1
            16 June 2020 22: 27
            huh, crap is all the more official silence, but what’s more, will they give one and a half yards of Amer’s?
            1. -7
              16 June 2020 22: 32
              By July 1, Gazprom will return the Polish PGNiG $ 1,5 billion overpayment for gas by the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration. PGNiG signed an addendum to the 1996 agreement for the supply of gas via the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline with Gazprom Export, on June 5 the document was signed electronically, and on June 15 - on paper with the exchange of original documents.

              https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3273609
              1. -10
                16 June 2020 22: 37
                it’s a shame to rejoice about the pipes? where to get a half and a half? -Volody give denyushki we poor we miss
                1. -2
                  16 June 2020 22: 38
                  Of the pensions, of course. Please treat with understanding.
                  1. -4
                    16 June 2020 22: 43
                    from pensions most likely everything is already eaten
                2. -3
                  17 June 2020 01: 21
                  You do not understand, this is the same breakthrough!
                  And yes, I can't help but add, that would be before July 2, then yes, the amendments "on priority" would hide behind
              2. +1
                17 June 2020 21: 57
                Now, apparently, Gazprom wants to apply the same trick in arbitration, but in the opposite direction. That is, he can show that since 2017, the Polish company has paid less for gas under the contract than gas was on the spot ”,
                https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/vz.ru/economy/2020/6/16/1045293.html
                1. -1
                  18 June 2020 07: 30
                  Quote: forpost
                  wants

                  Well, good luck to him.
                  1. 0
                    18 June 2020 19: 32
                    why not? trodden by psheks and tufts
        2. +8
          16 June 2020 21: 57
          Quote: Terenin
          Finally, the dream of id.

          I didn't understand about the "dream" No. There is a war with Russia (though WE don’t know about it), the "occupants" (it is WE again), in our rear (WE) we extract scrap metal for the next Buryat horse-armored division (we have run out (WE again don’t know) ore deposits - therefore there is (THEM has it)).
          So it’s not a dream, it’s the "zrada from the damned Muscovites", the country didn’t justify the hopes of the country, "it hasn’t died", probably not long to wait, soon a new anthem will appear, with new words - “it’s already dead” wassat
          And if it's no joke - most likely there is a planned replacement of the pipeline (the US, unlike THEM, has money and opportunities for this), but the units have no mind and are yelling "zrada". laughing
        3. -7
          17 June 2020 00: 26
          You and me? Minus 25 yards a year (he personally knew, drove Ram Ivanych), he would have fired everyone for that ... (although he is a very intelligent man, BUT Miller is weak, ... My darling worked under Shcherbin ... That was when our incomes and pensions were made ... He put the Noyabrsk point (together with the beginning of smu-26 in his Urals with number 9123 (atb-9 n, urengoy, Vasya, alive, hello, for the shepherd-sps, ,) - just in the place of geologists (they were always the first ... they determined the parking lot - one of their own, and that of theirs ... This is how our land rents were made ... All KGB-schnicks are children, pyONErs ,,, guys, read Marx, I would advise our Keynes's Jaynord (since they flooded into capitalism ...) You- Nobody (corrected, "Nobody", even, at least three times, associates of MOST ... This is not unfounded - you can get in numbers and facts ... You have to work ... Do not give up ... What are you afraid of, who? Lavrenty as an example? Yes, the guy is still the same, but put space? Did you make Yadren? Is it weak to you? Weak !!
        4. +3
          17 June 2020 11: 13
          As they say in fear, the eyes are large laughing but Svidomo’s thoughts are going in the right direction laughing
      2. +4
        16 June 2020 19: 57
        Quote: loki565
        And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

        The good news, everyone is heading for this! Freebie end ....
        And if we stir up with the Germans, then this will be a new world format and the West is terribly afraid of it.! But shouting hurray early .. Old Merkel needs to be changed for sale!
        1. +30
          16 June 2020 20: 47
          Yes, it’s not Merkel that needs to be changed, but the economic basis of gas trading that needs to be changed: if we set up industrial processing of gas (both network and liquefied!), We will make a profit 10-30 times greater than when trading just gas for heating, since solvents , alcohols, synthetics, fiber, plastics and hundreds of other applications give a much higher surplus value and create millions of HIGH-TECH jobs with a good salary than to open-close the valve on the pipe ...
          1. +3
            17 June 2020 02: 29
            What is being done. Contracts for the supply of raw and commercial gas, ethane fraction have been signed. An EPC contract has been signed for the creation of gas processing facilities and off-site facilities of the integrated complex, "the statement says. In addition, Gazprom and Ruskhimalliance have signed 20-year commercial contracts for the supply of commercial and raw gas. Thus, it is guaranteed for the long term supply of raw materials for the integrated complex.

            According to the signed documents, ethane-containing natural gas will be supplied from Gazprom's fields to Ruskhimalliance. The volume of supplies will amount to 45 billion cubic meters. m per year. The gas that remained after processing (separation of ethane fraction and other valuable components) and LNG production will be supplied in the amount of about 18 billion cubic meters. m per year to the gas transmission system of "Gazprom". At the same time, the official representative of Gazprom, Sergei Kupriyanov, noted that the agreement signed with Ruskhimalliance provides for the supply of 45 billion cubic meters. m of gas annually for 20 years. He also added that in Russia this is the largest gas supply contract in the history of Gazprom.
        2. +9
          16 June 2020 21: 38
          Quote: Ugnetenni
          Old Merkel needs to change the corrupt

          We will remember the old woman Merkel with a kind word more than once (I hope). At the end of her term, she stubbornly does not want to lie down under the n-owls. And if, at the end of the day, she accepts and settles in the Bundeswehr a landmark decision on some form of interaction or integration with Russia (economic, political or military), then there will be no price for her as the head of state. And then there will be nothing to take from her, because the age and the prefix "Ex". I would only have time.
          1. +8
            16 June 2020 22: 14
            In response to US opposition to the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, US liquefied natural gas (LNG) should be levied duties. This was stated by the head of the Bundestag Committee on Economics and Energy Klaus Ernst, reports TASS. He emphasized that the government should consider possible steps in case Washington nevertheless wants to tighten its own sanctions and damage German companies. Among other measures, Ernst called the call of the American ambassador and sanctions against US senators, who acted as authors of the sanctions bill.
            1. 0
              16 June 2020 22: 30
              still would Pamer soldiers with weapons kicked out, generally beauty
          2. +2
            17 June 2020 07: 17
            At least, all the persons who came to all significant places in the Pr-v under Grandma turned out to be Russophobes to a greater or lesser extent, and these facts significantly reduce the degree of praise to the Old Woman.
            1. +2
              17 June 2020 07: 38
              Quote: hydrox
              all the people who came to all significant places under the Grandmother in Pr-ve turned out to be more or less Russophobic

              Considering the degree of influence of the n-owls on the political life of Germany, I will assume that it is simply impossible to get into the government on a wave other than Russophobic. The candidate will be "grounded" long before the elections. Therefore, I propose to look at the actual actions of the Bundestag at the present time. Of course, so far it is difficult to call them friendly, but you cannot call them hostile either. We wait. I think it won't be long. And Russophobes "repaint" like two fingers on the asphalt. There would be a demand for sentiment. hi
              1. +2
                17 June 2020 07: 54
                No objection: Germany's current position is more “integrally ours” than defining it as “unfriendly”.
          3. +1
            18 June 2020 09: 48
            A landmark decision, I hope, in the Bundestag winked
            For the iconic decisions from the Bundeswehr - this is a little scary.
        3. -2
          16 June 2020 23: 52
          Quote: Ugnetenni
          Old Merkel needs to change the corrupt!

          When do you start? laughing
          It will be interesting to look at interference in the internal affairs of a foreign state and the consequences of this stupidity.
          1. +3
            17 June 2020 08: 01
            Yes, he will not change anything (especially not knowing WHOM AND FOR WHAT it’s necessary to change), it’s it with tires with progazovanie yuzanul corner
        4. -1
          17 June 2020 09: 03
          The good news, everyone is heading for this! Freebie end ..
          can we live now ??)
          And if we stir up with the Germans, then this will be a new world format
          Oh, if only this format would not lead to the fact that the Germans will receive pensions of $ 200 ..)))
          But screaming cheers early ..
          But why early ... start already .. Here some are just doing it so that the country does not happen ..
          3 lard Ukraine, 1,5 lard Poland - this is our new world format .. uraaaa ..))

          Old Merkel needs to change the corrupt!
          exactly .. all the troubles because of her .. Previously, Obama didn’t let us live, but now here she is ..))
      3. +11
        16 June 2020 20: 28
        Quote: loki565
        And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

        The good news is like a sip of good wine - you don’t drink in one gulp, but slowly savor it and get real pleasure from this process.
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 21: 32
          The good news is like a sip of good wine - you don’t drink in one gulp, but slowly savor it and get real pleasure from this process.

          Wow))) they would have completed SP2, then you could dictate your conditions.
        2. -8
          16 June 2020 23: 57
          Quote: credo
          The good news is like a sip of good wine - you don’t drink in one gulp, but slowly savor it and get real pleasure from this process.

          So same good wine! But what if the bootleg turned out to be?
          1. -4
            17 June 2020 09: 06
            Here such wine aesthetes gathered .. they relish the news .. slowly .. I suppose it’s already spreading over my knees ..
            Damn .. and adults seem to be sitting .. masturbating on pipes ..
            1. +2
              17 June 2020 13: 34
              Quote: Roman123567
              Here such wine aesthetes gathered .. they relish the news .. slowly .. I suppose it’s already spreading over my knees ..
              Damn .. and adults seem to be sitting .. masturbating on pipes ..

              Do not judge by yourself, not all of them are like you.
      4. +4
        16 June 2020 22: 36
        Quote: loki565
        And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))


        It is better to repeat this news every hour, so that it is more fun. Anecdote from a novice futurologist
        (futurist-tuftourist) a former member of the Communist Party comrade Turchinov. laughing good
        The Russian Federation will certainly suffer the fate of the USSR, and after its collapse, the Kuban and other territories will depart to Ukraine. This was announced by the ex-secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov in an interview in the Rendezvous program. According to Turchinov, in the case of the script he voiced, the official version of the anthem of Ukraine will become more complete.

        “The time will come - and we will sing the second verse of our anthem. "From Xiang to the Don." What can you do. I’m a beginner futurist, but I’m convinced, and historical experience shows that Russia is a colossus with feet of clay, ”Turchinov said. He recalled that in "no one believed in the collapse of the USSR", and this happened.

        “And when this process of disintegration begins, and the policy of this military clique will lead to this ... Because, when the West still takes a consistent position, they will have destroyed the economic foundation and the power core on which the current government rests. And people, in the end, will get tired of being afraid. They will cross over. Therefore, there will be a collapse of Russia. And of course, those territories that want to live together with a large and powerful Ukraine are welcome, please, ”Turchynov noted.

        https://m.zen.yandex.ru/media/golubev_synergy/turchinov-kuban-i-vsia-rossiia-voidut-v-sostav-ukrainy-5ee885e264d6731cc9e1fb57
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      5. -11
        17 June 2020 01: 29
        Yes!!!!
        Therefore, as “fuflomycin” (arbidol, Sobyanin, Mishustin, etc.) = HEALS (heals the same)!
        Well, all the same, Russa ate: “Europe does not want to buy GAS at the border in Ukraine”

        Yeah! Maybe it’s more profitable for Miller to steal gas together with Ukrainians, when transit through / to / to Ukraine?
        Babyshche with a scythe (LesU in Ukraine) - remember !?
      6. 0
        17 June 2020 09: 30
        And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

        No news, just guesses. Why print it?
      7. 0
        18 June 2020 07: 16
        Though I’m from Little Russia, and this news should scare and depress me, but it seems to me that the pan-and-leg jumped.
    2. -3
      16 June 2020 19: 51
      Is it for us now to congratulate Miller on the next re-election? request
      We expected the news from Ukraine to develop ... and we got another “joy”!
      1. -4
        16 June 2020 20: 04
        It is necessary to congratulate the population of Russia - as there has been no gas in the village for 30 years, there will not be another 50 years, and not 200 tyr for connection. take it, but ... they won’t take it at all, because NO ONE will have such millions of incomes and nobody will be able to pay for the connection !!! crying
        1. +7
          16 June 2020 20: 21
          I put you a plus. Apparently local minusers are ashamed to admit that you wrote the truth. I have many relatives in the Kursk province. And they started to conduct gas in the villages only in the 2000s. And then, only those who had money. As a result, gasification for all remained only on paper. After all, in addition to supplying gas, you also need a boiler !!! And where do people with sn on a collective farm 10 thousand have such money !? You can minus me too, since the truth hurts my eyes wassat
          1. +10
            16 June 2020 20: 32
            Do you still have collective farms left? We have a farmer for a long time and during the sowing / harvesting they pay quite well
            1. +2
              16 June 2020 20: 39
              Collective farms remained. Or rather a pitiful likeness. And where to work in the countryside !? And you look very "smart". And what to do in winter and when there is no sowing and harvesting !? Suck your paw !? My brother has a cousin, two of his own and one adopted child. They are fed because the farm is huge. You couldn’t cope with that. And what a vacation and a weekend is, he doesn't know at all. And how to dress everyone in shoes !? The plum harvest was two years ago. Do you know what he was selling for !? 20 rubles per bucket !!! Because they didn't take it !!! And if you don’t sell it, you will throw it away. Or you will roll into banks, but there Marinka is already poor, his wife, such a household, what the fuck banks are. Therefore, there is no need to be clever here. Take a trip take a look
              1. -1
                16 June 2020 21: 20
                And you do not shut up my mouth))) In winter there is no work? so Moscow is at hand, there is a lot of people from Kursk, from builders to security guards, even a security guard will bring home 20k in 15 days. Well, maybe there’s a village of 3 houses .. When I came to see my relatives, all the villages in the area were gasified, and many have automatic Baxis boilers, but they are not cheap.
                1. +2
                  17 June 2020 10: 21
                  and many have automatic boilers such as BAXI, ...... yes, there are boilers. in the villages such "bayans" from the salons stand near the courtyards and not one by one ... in short, complete poverty. the only thing is to spread black caviar on the sausage. but there is no money for bread
              2. +2
                16 June 2020 21: 35
                Never mind, this is a troll ... he has such a job - to hammer the truth with symbols and slogans.
            2. DVR
              0
              16 June 2020 22: 20
              Do you still have collective farms left? We have a farmer for a long time and during the sowing / harvesting they pay quite well

              Horses plow, apparently in the old fashioned way. Traditionalists, so to speak.
          2. +2
            16 June 2020 20: 36
            There will be no one to gasify the village. What is the average population in a village in Russia now? Twenty yards of them ten summer residents. In most villages, the gas pipeline will not pay off in a hundred years. So don’t wait. Capitalism in the yard.
            1. -2
              16 June 2020 20: 57
              So guys are voting for capitalism?
              So it’s not for this that they did a revolution in 1917 ...
              1. +4
                16 June 2020 21: 19
                Quote: hydrox
                So it’s not for this that they made a revolution in 1917

                And you can find out why the gasification of all villages was not done in the USSR?
                1. -1
                  16 June 2020 21: 29
                  And I will answer you with a question to a question (if you do not mind).
                  And when was the Union’s Welfare Program enshrined in the pre-war Constitution buried in the Union?
                  Hint: the author was a man who made the Union’s first grain hunger after the development of virgin land — it was our first needle and the first victory of the liberda after the collapse of SovNarKhozov and the elimination of artel labor.
                  1. +3
                    16 June 2020 23: 01
                    Quote: hydrox
                    Hint: the author was the person who arranged the Union’s first bread hunger after the development of virgin land

                    I can add that the collapse of the USSR itself took place under the leadership of the Communist Party. So why does it make a revolution?
                    1. 0
                      17 June 2020 06: 04
                      Then again a counter-question: in the name of what did the revolution (or coup!) In the years 91-93?
                      Yes, in order to give Norilsk Nickel to Potanin, to give the Unified Energy System to Chubais, to give to Russian Railways to Yakunin, and to get the Yeltsin family and Aeroflot, and bandits got Pacific fishing - that's why!
                      Or did you think the revolution was for you?
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2020 10: 06
                        Then again a counter-question: in the name of what did the revolution (or coup!) In the years 91-93? Yes, in order to give Potanin Norilsk Nickel, Chubais to give the Unified Energy System, Russian Railways to give Yakunin, and Aeroflot to get the Yeltsin family

                        It would not be a bad idea to appoint a commission to investigate how assets were acquired.
                        One, Khodarkovsky has already been exposed and punished. Are the rest furry and honest?
                        In America, it would have been a long time to restore order with crooks.
                        1. +2
                          17 June 2020 10: 34
                          There is nothing to be done about it, all legal terms have already passed.
                          There is only revolution and interrogation at the wall: "Do you agree to return to the people the assets that you stole in the mid-90s or do you want to accept the death penalty?"
                          And to see what is more expensive for him, a tile or life? laughing
                        2. 0
                          17 June 2020 10: 50
                          Where did you get the money?
                          From the nightstand
                          And who put them there?
                          I put
                          Where did you get them?
                          I said from the nightstand
                      2. 0
                        17 June 2020 19: 58
                        Quote: hydrox
                        Or did you think the revolution was for you?

                        And revolutions always do for themselves.
                  2. +1
                    16 June 2020 23: 19
                    The economic councils were created in 1957 and liquidated in 1965.
                    1. -1
                      17 June 2020 05: 56
                      It was done right: at first the liberda destroyed the centralized management of the national economy, setting up economic councils for the princes, but then they were also removed when in the 64th the famine broke out and in the canteens they began to give out bread for money: 1 kopeck / piece. gray, 2 kopecks / piece. white., and the whole lunch at the studio. a dining room cost 40-50 kopecks., while lunch in the factory canteens cost 60-80 kopecks. (there were more portions).
                      1. +3
                        17 June 2020 07: 17
                        It was not completely destroyed, because all the same there were branch state committees in the governments of the USSR and republics, a kind of weakened branch ministries. The economic councils were completely dependent on the party leadership.
                        1. 0
                          17 June 2020 07: 48
                          So I say that the Economic Councils were the prototype of the "System for Feeding": further - more.
                      2. +3
                        17 June 2020 07: 19
                        Relatives say that the food supply to the population somehow suspiciously quickly improved after Khrushchev was removed.
                        1. +1
                          17 June 2020 07: 37
                          It was not only Khrushch that flew like this: the ALL system of the "left" State Planning Committee was greatly thinned out and the "tsekhoviks" were strongly nailed (then, after all, they were not very childish for economic crimes).
                          Potanin would probably get a lifelong ...
                        2. +1
                          17 June 2020 09: 07
                          It must be said that Khrushchev also very seriously fought currency traders. There were even death sentences with him for currency speculation.
                        3. +1
                          17 June 2020 09: 54
                          It’s easier for Khrushchev: you remember that our financial system was 2-circuit and non-cash money could not be converted into cash in any way - you were punished very strictly for this, you already know about currency transactions ...
                      3. +1
                        17 June 2020 10: 38
                        Well, you minus the bread, Liberd — there was such a moment in the life of our (NOT YOURS !!!) state!
                        We should write us and his story, we will be responsible for him and REPENT, too, that the IVS let you out of the camps without waiting for a natural end.
                2. -5
                  16 June 2020 21: 50
                  He worked in the north, there was so much from Ukraine, Moldova and they boasted that they had gas in every farm
                  1. +2
                    17 June 2020 05: 44
                    And rightly so: if they lived in the areas through which gas was exported, then they were gasified in the first place so that they would not arise.
                    And then what to say about the showcase of Soviet life, the Baltic states?
                    They were generally given EVERYTHING, and without waiting in line!
                  2. +1
                    17 June 2020 10: 22
                    Quote: Poltava
                    He worked in the north, there was so much from Ukraine, Moldova and they boasted that they had gas in every farm

                    Are you aware of the joke about the 70-year-old grandfather who came to the doctor about his inability to do some things?
                    If you do not know this, then search the network ...

                    The point is that if you can't, then no one forbids talking about "successes" ...
              2. +1
                17 June 2020 06: 30
                Wow, how a liberde freaks out!
                Minuses and rolls!
                "The triangle will be drunk!
                Be it a parallelepiped,
                If he was a circle, itrena louse! "
            2. DVR
              +5
              16 June 2020 22: 58
              There will be no one to gasify the village. What is the average population in a village in Russia now? Twenty yards of them ten summer residents. In most villages, the gas pipeline will not pay off in a hundred years. So don’t wait. Capitalism in the yard.

              In something you are right. Indeed, the villages are sparsely populated, very scattered strongly. But the work is going in order of priority. First, what is closer and larger is gasified, then more distant points. The design and construction of inter-settlement g / p is funded entirely by Gazprom, the laying of street networks in the regions. Significant money is allocated as far as possible.
              Here are the statistics for Gazprom only (not the latest):

              Plus, other regions have allocated comparable funds.
              1. -2
                17 June 2020 05: 35
                Excuse me, was it built so much or was it stolen so much?
                Something, I see, it doesn’t hurt a lot of working people to get bonnets thrown into the air — and liberde in summer cottages around M-you ... yes, they did it well (well, yes, what can there be a conversation for their own (yes with such- that is money)) !!!
                1. +2
                  17 June 2020 08: 52
                  How is it good around Moscow? Nifiga, 2 million scars fell off and in 2 years your gas! wassat
                  So I drown in diesel fuel, it comes out much cheaper than gas.
                  1. +1
                    17 June 2020 09: 56
                    Well, no one has that kind of money in the villages of the province!
              2. -1
                17 June 2020 07: 43
                And in rural areas, gas pipelines should not pay off, since this is a BONUS for the rural population for the QUALITY of life that is worse than the urban population.
                The same applies to the water supply with sewerage - this should build the state, and the villagers only have to pay all these services at prices not higher than the city ones.
                1. +2
                  17 June 2020 10: 00
                  Liberians!
                  Please answer, WHY do you think that the villagers SHOULD live in worse conditions than you. Why are you better than them (after all, not even smarter! laughing )?
                  Then where does this rush come from with such snobbery towards the villagers?
          3. +4
            16 June 2020 20: 52
            Quote: Magic Archer
            you wrote the truth.

            laughing laughing laughing This is how to look. Yes
          4. +4
            16 June 2020 21: 10
            Quote: Magic Archer
            I put you a plus. Apparently local minusers are ashamed to admit that you wrote the truth. I have many relatives in the Kursk province. And they started to conduct gas in the villages only in the 2000s. And then, only those who had money. As a result, gasification for all remained only on paper. After all, in addition to supplying gas, you also need a boiler !!! And where do people with sn on a collective farm 10 thousand have such money !? You can minus me too, since the truth hurts my eyes wassat

            well, there’s simply no truth in your words ...
            1. -10
              16 June 2020 21: 25
              In what place did I lie !? At least one argument !!! Or another balabol ??
              1. -2
                17 June 2020 06: 36
                Do not pay attention: this is another applicant for a place in a cohort of people who want to take a place for food as a party propagandist.
          5. +3
            16 June 2020 21: 17
            I have a mother in the Yaroslavl region. 150 km from the Mother See. Gas in cylinders.
            1. -6
              16 June 2020 21: 48
              And her gas in cylinders suits?
              Cattle, most likely, NO ...
              1. -2
                17 June 2020 06: 41
                See?
                Liberda pluses you, but for what?
                And in order not to give the impression that a working person in a village MAY and NEED to lose a day to hit the gas tank for gas, and he would do it easily and with pleasure.
        2. +2
          16 June 2020 20: 24
          It is necessary to congratulate the population of Russia - as there was no gas in the village for 30 years, there will not be another 50 years,

          Looking in need?
          1. -6
            16 June 2020 21: 01
            And you, look, from Landon write, from the board of your own castle ...
            The whole liberd has long been in the queue there ...
        3. +6
          16 June 2020 20: 28
          Quote: hydrox
          It is necessary to congratulate the population of Russia - as there has been no gas in the village for 30 years, there will not be another 50 years, and not 200 tyr for connection. to take, but ... but in general they won’t take

          So buy cylinders, as they did and do it in the village 30 and 50 years ago. What is the problem?
          1. +2
            16 June 2020 20: 54
            Sergey prYuvet! so they want to live in a village like in a city. Gas for cooking, gas for heating the home, gas for hot water. And the fact that there is more health from the stove, that they no longer understand from the Russian health bath. Forgotten people origins. Bring firewood, chop, melt ... melt the bath ...
            1. +3
              16 June 2020 21: 07
              Quote: sabakina
              Gas for cooking, gas for heating the home, gas for hot water.

              oh I'm afraid they won’t pay .... then the moaning will begin, which is expensive ... which is better in the old-fashioned way ... coal
          2. -8
            16 June 2020 21: 17
            Problem?
            Yes, everything in it ... in the "blue fuel". laughing
            In the people's economic plans, territories, rather than households, are gasified, therefore there is no rural household in the village, because there is no source of energy in the territories, competitive electricity, in order to ensure tolerable rural labor conditions and not only cooperative, but and individual. Yes
          3. +3
            16 June 2020 21: 23
            Commonplace. Refit the cylinder. In the village of mom on the street there are only old people. The driver is lucky and unloads around the house. At the request to help put in place, dismissed, they say there is no time to help everyone. Such a mentality.
            Here mom "rolls" the cylinder to the barn, and I, as I get out - change.
            1. -1
              17 June 2020 06: 48
              There is nothing to be done about it :: the old people are now not honored, and it hurts a lot to divorce them, they don’t give, panimash, PFR to plunder a liberde ...
              Well, nicha, the cannibalistic pension law will come into force - that’s how the pence will be reduced in life, they won’t get confused, but whine for a bad life, showing a fig from the hole in the boot with your foot ... laughing
              1. +3
                18 June 2020 07: 24
                Well, for sure!
                The old Russian liberde is like salt to the wound :: the Liberdians have long considered these pension copecks to be their own, and the FIU gives everything and gives money to pensions ...
                Universal disgrace !! laughing laughing
        4. +3
          16 June 2020 20: 44
          "" President Vladimir Putin instructed the government and local authorities, together with Gazprom, to ensure the formation of funding sources to connect Russians to distribution networks without attracting their funds, according to the Kremlin's website. "
          "The gasification of the country should be completed by 2024, and by 2030 it is necessary to set targets based on the updating and approval of regional programs."
          By means of tricky mathematical calculations, it will take much less than 50 years ..... And in neighboring countries they will stop using gas soon, the IMF requires raising its value .... Debts are sacred! They must be given back with a percentage of times; climbed into this bondage !!
        5. 0
          16 June 2020 21: 03
          Quote: hydrox
          It is necessary to congratulate the population of Russia - as there has been no gas in the village for 30 years, there will not be another 50 years, and not 200 tyr for connection. take it, but ... they won’t take it at all, because NO ONE will have such millions of incomes and nobody will be able to pay for the connection !!!

          we have gas, and in the surrounding villages there is ... come on, you lad with a forest ... balabol
          1. +1
            17 June 2020 09: 32
            Almost all Smolensk, Tver, Novgorod, Vologda, Yaroslavl, Kostroma, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk regions are not gasified.
            Kovdor, Murmansk region, has no gas in houses, even in high-rise buildings.
            Krasnodar Territory, 12 km. from Anapa, a resort place - there is no gas.
            The city of district significance of Udomlya, Tver Region - there is no centralized gas supply.
            It is promised to be held only in 2034.
            This is only what I myself know for sure.
            1. +2
              18 June 2020 07: 29
              It’s unprofitable for a lousy Liberde that you are voicing data that nullifies the results of her 35-year reign in Russia.
              Especially in the raw materials, which she considers her fiefdom, while the liberda believes that it is from her mouth that they pull out a piece that she has already set out to swallow.
              Only liberda is minus me: people who think and wish Russia good health will not minus the Liberdian "steamer", but they will be happy to breathe fresh air.
        6. +1
          17 June 2020 02: 32
          There are a lot of settlements in which the gas does not make sense to pull. A tenth if not a hundredth of this amount is enough to fill up these villages for 100 years ahead. There is such an expression, economic feasibility.
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 11: 18
            Balloon gas is much more expensive than network gas (although the liberda does not understand this, the maintenance of transport, maintenance of the pumping station and charging station, repairmen, and other non-production personnel is a waste of money compared to the pipe that was thrown and forgotten for 50 years ) - so consider liberal expediency!)
            The Ministry of Health of Skvortsov has already implemented such expediency for the last 6 years - they didn’t imprison ... but in vain!
            1. 0
              17 June 2020 11: 56
              Right He took it and threw it. He’s not worth it. It does not need to be serviced. He does not need stations. Kindergarten...
          2. +1
            17 June 2020 18: 43
            Economic expediency? But what about people?
            Kovdor, Udomlya - these are cities, not even villages.
            And why should the villages live less comfortably than in the city? Aren't people there?
            Balloon gas is not profitable, because in the villages there are not very many wealthy people, where did they get so much money from?
            Arguing in your opinion, to spit on our people, the main thing is to sell it abroad, and your people will smack it?
            There is no gas in many places where that gas is produced. In your opinion is this normal? Pipes are pulled for hundreds of kilometers, but it is impossible to stretch a pipe for several tens of kilometers?
            And then we wonder why it is in Siberia, on Yamal separatist sentiment?
            I do not condone these people, but I understand them.
      2. -4
        16 June 2020 21: 12
        Today it became known that Alexey Miller was re-elected to the post of Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Neft.

        To see the list of who re-elected him. Probably those in the company who receive millions in bonuses, despite the fines paid by Gazprom.
      3. +1
        17 June 2020 00: 01
        Quote: ANIMAL
        We expected the news from Ukraine to develop ... and we got another “joy”!

        The end at the crossing does not change, even if these horses are not horses at all laughing
    3. +9
      16 June 2020 20: 00
      For pumping a thousand cubic meters per 100 kilometers, "Gazprom" has to pay Kiev $ 2,5, and for SP-2 the same volume will cost $ 2,1. Gazprom plans to launch the second Stream exactly by the end of the contract with Ukraine, that is, in 2020. At the same time, pumping through the Nezalezhnaya area will be significantly reduced - from 64 billion cubic meters to m (data of "Ukrtransgaz" for 2015) to 10-15 billion cubic meters. m per year. The route of Russian gas to Europe runs through several Ukrainian gas pipelines. Including the three largest:

      The first of these, the Soyuz, has a length of 2750 km, 1568 km of which pass through Ukraine.
      The second - "Brotherhood" - is the "longest". The way from Urengoy to Pomary and from there to Uzhgorod is 4451 km.
      The length of the third of the worthy of separate mention gas pipelines - the Trans-Balkan - is "only" 950 km. It is the Shebelinka-Krivoy Rog-Izmail II route that Gazprom uses to export blue fuel to Turkey and Romania.


      In total, our gas travels 3678 km across Ukraine before reaching European countries
    4. +2
      16 June 2020 20: 02
      Alexey Miller was re-elected as Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Neft.

      Who is re-elected?
      1. -1
        16 June 2020 20: 34
        So after all, whoever needs it, those are re-elected, and by whom exactly - to us, lackeys, this is not supposed to be known, and even more so you can’t even peep (and not just eavesdrop) !!! laughing
      2. -2
        16 June 2020 20: 40
        Who is re-elected?

        Alexey Miller
      3. +6
        16 June 2020 20: 53
        By shareholders. The chairman of the company’s board is elected by the shareholders.
        1. 0
          17 June 2020 06: 06
          Well, those who believe in a free market economy let them think that they are shareholders. My version is closer to the truth.
      4. 0
        16 June 2020 21: 02
        Quote: Doccor18
        Who is re-elected?



        Here they are ... And, probably, they have reasons for this.
        1. +1
          17 June 2020 00: 04
          Quote: Hagen
          And, probably, they have reasons for this.

          Of course! Despite the fall in Gazprom's income, bonuses to shareholders are unchanged. Who cuts a chicken laying golden eggs?
          1. +1
            17 June 2020 02: 35
            What kind of bonuses? Income decline is a common situation. Warm winters and more. World prices. By signing a week ago the largest contract in its history, Gazprom will not remain a big minus. There is a reorientation to the domestic market. Which is huge.
          2. -2
            17 June 2020 05: 53
            Quote: Silvestr
            Despite the fall in Gazprom's income, bonuses to shareholders are unchanged.

            Are you probably a shareholder of Gazprom? Then you know better. But usually such campaigns pay dividends in accordance with the developed provisions and solely from profit. Otherwise, due to the lack of transparency in relation to the market, such companies sharply lose in capitalization. It just seems that they can litter money left and right there, as the cleaning lady tells me. However, from the fact that you consider yourself smarter than everyone, the order of things will not change .... But we must admit that this chicken, even in difficult times, still has golden eggs. That's probably why Miller was re-elected.
      5. +2
        17 June 2020 02: 33
        Meeting of shareholders of the company.
    5. -4
      16 June 2020 20: 03
      So what is the cost of delivering one thousand cubic meters of Russian gas to Europe through Ukraine? We multiply the voiced volume of blue fuel by 4,5 (this is how much dollars costs 100 km of track for our gas) and by 3678 km (36,78 hundred kilometers - the total length of Ukrainian pipes) and we get that Gazprom pays $ 165,5.

      It remains to multiply the pumped volumes (49 billion cubic meters) by the cost of pumping a thousand cubic meters. m. It turns out that a year "Gazprom" will have to pay "Ukrtransgaz" about $ 8,1 billion. According to the head of the state corporation Alexei Miller, transportation of at least 30 billion cubic meters. m through Ukraine will bring the company costs "in the amount of 25 to 43 billion dollars over 25 years." That is, $ 1,8 billion annually.
      1. -6
        16 June 2020 22: 00
        . and at 3678 km (36,78 hundred km - the total length of Ukrainian pipes)

        Yeah. While Russian gas will not pass strictly through all Ukrainian pipes, it does not want to go to the West. And rushing around in Ukraine circles.
      2. +3
        17 June 2020 02: 39
        On average, it is. Given the fact that the price remained the same as it was, and this was stated in Kiev and the fact that pumping has fallen by half, Ukraine, having signed this contract, has lost a similar amount. Let me remind you that prior to its signing in the years 14-15-16, according to all sources, transit was about 80 yards per year.
    6. +6
      16 June 2020 20: 14
      Hello to the neighbors from Miller. And his face is so kind, kind. laughing
    7. +7
      16 June 2020 20: 18
      Sergei Makogon said that with the help of dismantling, Russia "is going to destroy the very theoretical possibility of transporting gas through the territory of Ukraine."

      Only that it will be dismantled was said in the summer of 2016.
      In the current period, Gazprom has launched a program to optimize gas transmission capacities of the central corridor, which involves the elimination of nearly 2020 thousand km of single-line gas trunklines by 4,3 and the closure of 62 compressor shops with an installed capacity of over 3 GW. As for the transit capacities that will be in the central corridor towards Ukraine by 2020, after the optimization program, these transit capacities will amount to 10 to 15 billion cubic meters. meters of gas per year. Gazprom's savings on operating costs until 2020 alone will amount to $ 1,6 billion. "
      We adjusted the plans, but why keep too much ... And so we'll see ....
    8. +9
      16 June 2020 20: 22
      I don’t even remember when Krajina announced its non-volatility .... let it eat ....
      1. +5
        16 June 2020 20: 52
        laughing And what? Gazprom - Dreams Come True. There will be independent - independent.
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    10. +4
      16 June 2020 20: 22
      Russian and Russian gas decide how, to whom, and for how much to sell it. Any questions? hi
      1. +5
        16 June 2020 20: 26
        No questions! hi
    11. -10
      16 June 2020 20: 28
      Quote: Ugnetenni
      Quote: loki565
      And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

      The good news, everyone is heading for this! Freebie end ....
      And if we stir up with the Germans, then this will be a new world format and the West is terribly afraid of it.! But shouting hurray early .. Old Merkel needs to be changed for sale!

      In 1939 they were already muddied with the Germans. How did it all end? There is no faith in the Germans.
      1. +1
        17 June 2020 10: 03
        There is a dual attitude to this war.
        Yes, cruel, yes, many have perished.
        But we must remember that that war was started not so much by Hitler as by the States and Great Britain
        Well, a kind of revenge for the shameful defeat in the First World War.
        But if the Russian Empire supported Germany, and not its "allies," then it is not known how everything would turn out.
        But then Germany would hardly have lost.
        And we must remember that it was the Germans who played a large role in the development of the Russian Empire.
        what’s interesting to me: the French lived in Russia, but almost none of these Frenchmen deigned to learn the Russian language, and in Russia few of them stayed, well, they didn’t accept Russia.
        To make money - yes, but to condescend to her culture, to accept her soul is a bastard, backward country where she can go to "enlightened" France ...
        And the Germans often coming to us to earn money began to perceive our country as their second Motherland, staying here forever, and the Russian language was good or bad, but they learned and knew.
        About 2 Germans lived in Russia - much more than natives of all other countries, together
        taken.
        In Russia, huge capital of purely Germanic origin was circulating.
        In Russia, in fact, lived a rather big German diaspora.
        But at the same time (which is very surprising) there was no German lobby.
        German diplomats did not make the slightest effort to work in conjunction with their own
        businessmen doing business in Russia.
        And almost no interest in their activities in Russia.
        One of the German consuls general in 1907 wrote: "Official representatives in Russia
        are in a very difficult position, being practically unable to solicit for this or that German claimant. "
        They say that Germany gave money for the Russian revolution.
        Nonsense too!
        Money was given by Great Britain, Sha and France.
        It was these countries that did not betray the leading figures of the revolution when they were hiding in these countries from the tsarist secret police.
        And only Germany has always responded to the requests of the tsarist government for extradition.
        If we take the history of Russian-German relations, then between our countries there were 2 major wars - the First World War, where they were against Germany, and the Second World War.
    12. +1
      16 June 2020 20: 36
      Quote: Sentry73
      Quote: Ugnetenni
      Quote: loki565
      And this news will be repeated every hour ???)))

      The good news, everyone is heading for this! Freebie end ....
      And if we stir up with the Germans, then this will be a new world format and the West is terribly afraid of it.! But shouting hurray early .. Old Merkel needs to be changed for sale!

      In 1939 they were already muddied with the Germans. How did it all end? There is no faith in the Germans.

      Muddied even earlier laughing He played the Berlin Treaty of April 16, 1922 in Rapallo. This contract was signed by G.V. Chicherin from the RSFSR and V. Rathenau from Germany. The Russian delegation was of interest to a number of other socialist republics, such as: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Bukhara, Georgia, Ukraine, Khorezm. The delegation was attended by: L.B. Krasin, M.M. Litvinov, V.V. Thieves, I.E. Rudzutak, A.A. Joffe, H.G. Rakovsky, N.I. Narimanov, B. Mdivani, A. Bekzadyan, A.G. Hatter. laughing
    13. -3
      16 June 2020 20: 38
      it had to be done even after the construction of the first SP-1
    14. -3
      16 June 2020 20: 42
      and we have gas

      and we have a pipe

      and I have two pipes laughing
    15. +2
      16 June 2020 20: 53
      "This is the fact that Gazprom began to dismantle pipes on its territory, through which gas is supplied to the border with Ukraine - this is a problem, but we cannot particularly influence it."

      I didn’t understand, Gazprom is laying pipes - badly. Gazprom dismantles the pipes - again bad ... laughing Gazprom will put a fence around the pipes ........ Shh ....... with But this is a secret. Gazprom has a routine inspection of pipes. From the inside. wassat
    16. -3
      16 June 2020 20: 55
      HAY Russia will sell natural gas at a cheap price. "Applause"
      - we will correct .... In the word HI, you need to change the letter "a" to the letter "y" ... wassat
    17. +3
      16 June 2020 21: 09
      Quote: Mouse
      I don’t even remember when Krajina announced its non-volatility .... let it eat ....

      Then Old Man Luka recently blurted out this: “Thank God, there is enough oil in the world - I don’t want to take it. And the prices are reasonable. And there is already enough natural gas, there is a fight for the premium European and our market between the main players supplying natural gas. And there is an alternative, you can find it, ”he said at a meeting with an asset of the Grodno region. laughing
      1. +3
        16 June 2020 22: 17
        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        there is a fight for a premium European

        Fight, of course, only the winner will be decided only at the end, until then .... but for now! In May of this year, gas prices in the USA for the first time since 2008 exceeded quotes at major European hubs (gas sales and distribution centers) . Export of American LNG to Europe has become economically inexpedient ... Low prices and falling demand have forced many oil and gas companies to reconsider LNG projects: ExxonMobil postpones adoption of the FID (final investment decision) on the Rovuma LNG project offshore Mozambique, postponed to a later date Tellurian and Pacific Oil and Gas Drift Wood and Woodfibre projects, the NextDecade Corporation Rio Grande LNG project, whose associated base is associated gas from shale oil, was also endangered. Shell withdrew from Lake Charles LNG in the USA, Sempra Energy will begin the implementation of a major Port Arthur LNG project no earlier than 2021. At the same time, it is highly likely that these projects will never be implemented. https://1prime.ru/energy/20200613/831619582.html
      2. -4
        17 June 2020 00: 08
        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        Here Old Man Luka recently blurted out this:

        He didn’t blurt out, but summed up the oil and gas market: prices collapsed due to low demand, Qatar and Salman dumped in Europe. Offers exceed demand and affordable prices. New realities
    18. +3
      16 June 2020 21: 09
      Colleagues, did anyone see this news in the source? I did not find something. Drop the link. drinks
    19. +1
      16 June 2020 21: 11
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Collective farms remained. Or rather a pitiful likeness. And where to work in the countryside !? And you look very "smart". And what to do in winter and when there is no sowing and harvesting !? Suck your paw !? My brother has a cousin, two of his own and one adopted child. They are fed because the farm is huge. You couldn’t cope with that. And what a vacation and a weekend is, he doesn't know at all. And how to dress everyone in shoes !? The plum harvest was two years ago. Do you know what he was selling for !? 20 rubles per bucket !!! Because they didn't take it !!! And if you don’t sell it, you will throw it away. Or you will roll into banks, but there Marinka is already poor, his wife, such a household, what the fuck banks are. Therefore, there is no need to be clever here. Take a trip take a look

      less need to thump and everything will be
    20. +2
      16 June 2020 21: 13
      Quote: loki565
      Do you still have collective farms left? We have a farmer for a long time and during the sowing / harvesting they pay quite well

      And everywhere ... only drunkards are aching, and lazy people who don’t want to work
      1. 0
        16 June 2020 22: 42
        There is an employee Balda himself does not know where
    21. +6
      16 June 2020 21: 14
      It’s a paradoxical situation - the countries that hate the Russians most of all, simply rest against the idea that Russian business would not leave them!
      1. +1
        16 June 2020 22: 21
        Well yes. So they decided to help them with decommunization, and again not so, again dissatisfied.
        1. +2
          17 June 2020 08: 47
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          . So we decided to help them with decommunization,

          The process of decommunization in Ukraine is very complicated, the communists set up a lot there. There are still metallurgy, chemistry, Dneproges, nuclear power plants, and still to be demolished
      2. -1
        17 June 2020 11: 56
        Russian business "sold this in the morning for a ruble, bought it for three in the evening."
    22. +1
      16 June 2020 21: 25
      Quote: purple
      Quote: loki565
      Do you still have collective farms left? We have a farmer for a long time and during the sowing / harvesting they pay quite well

      And everywhere ... only drunkards are aching, and lazy people who don’t want to work

      ss ss! Do not scare. Let them clear the market for Russian agribusiness. The European Commission has developed a plan to eliminate modern agriculture in Europe laughing
    23. +1
      16 June 2020 21: 33
      Definitely, Russian diplomacy very accurately chose the time to push the United States with Europe now. At the same time, Ukraine made it clear. Of course, if they understand that Russia is nearby and real energy resources seemed to be nearby as well. If until this moment Ukraine was between the source and the main consumer of gas, now it has appeared in the backyards. In general, the guys are not rich in intelligence.
    24. +1
      16 June 2020 21: 38
      Quote: Mouse
      I don’t even remember when Krajina announced its non-volatility .... let it eat ....

      reverse gas. After all, gas is known to come from Western Europe to Ukraine
    25. +3
      16 June 2020 21: 41
      And what good disappear? Pipes can be used somewhere else, or even melted down to something more useful (into the same new pipes) ... But it seems to me that Ukrainians will hand over the pipes for the second time - the situation in Ukraine has this.
    26. -14
      16 June 2020 21: 51
      . the problem for Ukraine here is not at all in Russia, but in the European position. This position is such that it is the EU that does not want to buy Russian gas on the Ukrainian border,

      As they say in Odessa, Schaub b, I lived as you sit and lie
      The issue was discussed a hundred times and many years.
      Everything except Gazprom, for the sale of gas on the Ukrainian border, is a well-known fact.




      . The European Union is ready to buy Russian gas on the border of Russia and Ukraine. This was announced on Thursday by the press secretary of the European Commissioner for Energy, Gunther Oettinger Sabin Bergegg. At the moment, European consumers are buying Gazprom products on the western border of Ukraine, but back in April, the head of the Ukrainian Naftogaz Andrey Kobolev suggested that the European Commission and European companies begin negotiations with Gazprom regarding a change in the supply point.
      1. +3
        16 June 2020 22: 44
        Quote: Avior
        The European Union is ready to buy Russian gas on the border of Russia and Ukraine. This was announced on Thursday by the press secretary of the European Commissioner for Energy, Gunther Oettinger Sabin Bergegg.

        But then back in 2014, she added - "Changing the delivery point for gas to eastern Ukraine by European companies is a commercial matter. Therefore, the companies themselves should discuss this." Of course, they are an EU official, but the companies themselves somehow still ...
        1. -11
          17 June 2020 04: 09
          That is, Europe does not refuse to buy gas on the border with Ukraine, as they wrote in the article.
          It is clear that this requires the consent of three parties.
          And what about the two remaining?
          .
          MOSCOW, September 27. / TASS /. The proposal of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko to sell gas from Russia to Europe in eastern Ukraine is inappropriate. This was announced by the head of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak in an interview with the Austrian newspaper Die Presse.

          And for a long time against?
          And since 2009.
          ... Russian gas monopoly Gazprom is not considering selling gas to Europe on the Ukrainian-Russian border. This was stated by the representative of "Gazprom" Sergei Kupriyanov. ....
          Ambassador of Ukraine to the EU Andrei Veselovsky said that Ukraine proposed to Europe to consider the possibility of switching to the purchase of gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
          1. +1
            17 June 2020 12: 28
            Quote: Avior
            It is clear that this requires the consent of three parties.

            There are many more parties. I repeat -
            Because it should be discussed by the companies themselves
            . Gazprom has contracts not with the EU but with specific European companies, can you name the companies that have expressed a desire to buy gas on the eastern border?
            1. -3
              17 June 2020 12: 47
              In the EU, gas supplies are regulated by directive.
              And transit issues through Ukraine are resolved precisely trilaterally, and not with each company separately.
              On December 20, representatives of the European Commission, Ukraine and Russia reached a final agreement on principled positions on the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine and the settlement of mutual claims.

              But how can one buy what is not?
              If Gazprom does not fundamentally sell gas on the border with Ukraine, where will the concrete companies ready to buy it come from?
              First there must be a fundamental decision.
              1. +1
                17 June 2020 13: 31
                Quote: Avior
                And transit issues through Ukraine are resolved precisely trilaterally, and not with each company separately.

                Gazprom has a specific transit contract with Ukraine, he handed it gas at point A, and accepted it at point B, the EU was an intermediary .... Once again, an EU official declares -
                This is a commercial business. Because it should be discussed by the companies themselves
                , the question is - are there companies that were ready to change the contract and transfer the point of reception to the eastern border and ready to conclude a contract with Ukraine for transit (gas was delivered and the problem of tariffs is up to the buyer) ???
                In the EU, gas supplies are regulated by directive.
                if there was such a directive, then there would be no need to refer to the "commercial matter" and perhaps there would be no questions about the SP-2 - hand over gas at the Russian border to the Europeans and all problems are removed, and with the price of transit through the Poles, gas was handed over to the border and let the Germans bargain with the Poles over the transit tariff .. Only it looks like European companies want to receive gas at the end point, and offer transit risks to others ...
                1. -3
                  17 June 2020 13: 54
                  the question is - there are companies that were ready to change the contract and move the point of reception to the eastern border

                  no, of course, since the seller is obviously against it, and everyone knows this, and there are no other sellers in principle. What can be buyers for non-existent goods? What and with whom will they change?
                  in the article, no companies are discussed
                  it is the EU that does not want to buy Russian gas on the Ukrainian border
    27. 0
      16 June 2020 22: 05
      2014-2020 - Six years have passed. from this one should also make a powerful pr-action. and so late in everything, unfortunately.
    28. 0
      16 June 2020 22: 11
      Experts comment Ukrainian statement about the start of the dismantling of gas pipes ....
      This seems to be a key phrase.
      Nobody saw our (Gazprom) statement.
      Maybe this is a trial balloon (performed by Ukrainians), to get acquainted with the reaction of "world and very progressive humanity."
      And more.
      And "what if they forgot about us again" ?!
      Child it is! Without a tit, mom (or dad) can’t do anything.
    29. -2
      16 June 2020 22: 16
      Wait a minute ... So if the transit is over, do you want to gas the gas? You will have to pay for the reverse!
    30. -2
      16 June 2020 22: 24
      I certainly understand that many here FOR such a move, but they threatened for a long time, that’s it, but I’ll joke, I’ll probably give the pipes to Chermet something more and a half yard $ to give, for which I don’t know
    31. -3
      16 June 2020 23: 07
      Gazprom will not cut pipes. This is out of the question. And pick up from the bottom too. It is an asset. And what about Gazprom with Turkey?
      1. -2
        16 June 2020 23: 10
        + there like the Turks should-a hundred pounds will not give
        1. -6
          16 June 2020 23: 14
          Gazprom is financing Turkey's operation in Libya. This business. What is the name of the leader?
      2. +2
        17 June 2020 02: 57
        This is the Turks, not Lukashenko, then all the rules. Isn't Gazprom looking for a problem? laughing
    32. +1
      16 June 2020 23: 18
      I have no relation to Gazprom, I can only assume that the volume of gas pumped through 404 will be reduced, it makes no sense to maintain and maintain part of the gas transportation system.
      1. -3
        17 June 2020 00: 44
        And in the future you will not have a relationship with Gazprom (I will not have one either). But Ukraine (?) Will come back (even a stuffed carcass). Otherwise, only pipes will remain in place of the former Soviet Union.
    33. +3
      16 June 2020 23: 37
      Quote: antivirus
      GDP brought the Russian Federation to the point of no return - pipes are cut into a new aircraft carrier of 70 tons of explosives. the sailors got their way, from the couch they won .....
      or gas or an aircraft carrier ...


      Have you drunk it? fool
    34. -1
      17 June 2020 03: 45
      - "Today it became known that Alexey Miller has been re-elected to the post of chairman of the board of Gazprom Neft - who would doubt it !!! All the wealth of Russia is in the hands of the Jewish mafia ..
      1. +2
        17 June 2020 10: 25
        Then the German mafia. Miller is a German from St. Petersburg.
    35. 0
      17 June 2020 05: 46
      Whose gas? Russian.
      Whose pipe? Russian.
      Whose new pipe? Russian-German.


      And here is the outskirts?

      Nobody forces to dismantle a pipe in their territory.
      Yes, Russia must fulfill the contract, and - while the transit state of U (d).

      I don't understand this nagging "I want-I don't want" in Kiev. Show your pride - don't trade with an adversary.
    36. -3
      17 June 2020 08: 33
      Miller needs to be planted at least-for the attitude of Gazprom inside the country ....
      1. +2
        17 June 2020 10: 27
        What's the relationship? Over the past 30 years, gasified more than a scoop, for the entire time of its existence.
        1. 0
          18 June 2020 19: 55
          You tell these tales to first-graders. And do not call my country some obscene word.
    37. 0
      17 June 2020 09: 28
      I do not know about the dismantling of pipes, but the dismantling of relations between two "brotherly" or "one" people is in full swing! Who benefits and benefits from this, I no longer understand. But this someone very accurately calculated everything.
    38. 0
      17 June 2020 16: 04
      It is hard to find a black cat in a dark room. Especially if you know that there was no black cat in this room before and no now.
    39. +1
      17 June 2020 19: 34
      Quote: antivirus
      GDP brought the Russian Federation to the point of no return - pipes are cut into a new aircraft carrier of 70 tons of explosives. the sailors got their way, from the couch they won .....
      or gas or an aircraft carrier ...

      Well, smart. It is not for nothing that ukrozhopov are doing the same. Because there is not one whip, and perhaps not the most stupid one.
    40. 0
      17 June 2020 19: 39
      Quote: mikula
      I do not know about the dismantling of pipes, but the dismantling of relations between two "brotherly" or "one" people is in full swing! Who benefits and benefits from this, I no longer understand. But this someone very accurately calculated everything.

      Archive of the Ukrainian nationalist foreign newspaper "Svoboda" http://www.svoboda-news.com/arxiv.htm
      They never contacted Russia. Although, the first issues were printed in Russian and spoke about themselves. how about Russians. Pesya nation, completely mazepa.
    41. 0
      17 June 2020 19: 42
      Quote: iouris
      Gazprom will not cut pipes. This is out of the question. And pick up from the bottom too. It is an asset. And what about Gazprom with Turkey?

      And why? It will, if in fact, no longer cuts. Removing a gas pipeline that is no longer working, say, in the direction of Poland, or the Baltic states is a good whip for those who doubt the need to lay new pipelines. Let them move their ears. They can remain in third roles, recipients from the fifth transit hands, with, naturally, a fancy price.
    42. 0
      17 June 2020 19: 51
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      What's the relationship? Over the past 30 years, gasified more than a scoop, for the entire time of its existence.

      People do not understand the reasons. And the reason is the simplest. In the USSR, a cubic meter of gas cost 4 kopecks. What the hell would someone drag a pipe to Krasnoyarsk, it seems, if a pipe with such a price doesn’t pay off in 5000 years? Of course, she was dragged to Europe, where the price has never been less than $ 7.
      Now, due to the fact that prices A little BEGINNING to be aligned with exports, it became profitable to gasify the cities of Russia. If you imagine that the price will be equal with Germany, then all the gas will be left here, and only what is left is there. The gas worker, after all, will not care who he serves, he will get his money. Moreover, he will become a patriot, since Russia, gasified, clean, healthy, fed, works at Gazprom stations with pleasure and gives them even greater profits. The question is, how to buy such expensive gas in the Russian outback? The answer is that the salary should be the same as in Germany.

    43. 0
      18 June 2020 11: 07
      Meanwhile, if you carefully read all the interviews of Makogon, we can conclude that the Ukrainian side does not have any fundamental claims regarding gas transit to Gazprom at the moment. Moreover, it seems that after a new transit contract was concluded at the very end of last year, absolutely normal professional relations were maintained between Russian and Ukrainian gas companies.

      “We have employees who are constantly on the territory of the Russian Federation at border gas measuring stations. They look at the counters and sign acts daily. This is standard practice. Therefore, we have no questions, problems and doubts about the accuracy of measurements. Every 15 minutes we get information about the gas entry into the system. Also, every day we report to Gazprom and sign acts. Every cubic meter is taken into account, ”said Sergey Makogon. So he answered the question of whether Gazprom has any reason to accuse Ukraine of stealing gas destined for Europe.

      It is unlikely that the operator of the Ukrainian GTS will have financial reasons for dissatisfaction with the current situation. According to Sergey Makogon, for five months the operator received 25 billion hryvnias (a little less than a billion dollars at the current rate) from Naftogaz Ukrainy, which receives money for gas transit. There are currently no delays in payments.

      Obviously, the last remark in an interview with Sergey Makogon was designed to remind Ukrainian readers that, despite the new long-term contract for Ukrainian transit, Russia still has plans to abandon this route and is doing everything possible to terminate it in the future. But from the Russian side the situation looks completely different.

      In Soviet times, says Igor Yushkov, a leading analyst at the National Energy Security Fund, an expert at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, a lot of gas pipelines were built in the Ukrainian direction. Initially, the total capacity of pipelines at the entrance to the Ukrainian gas transportation system exceeded 200 billion cubic meters of gas, and about 180 billion at the exit.
      “Naturally, Gazprom will never pump such a volume. For this year, the transit contract is 65 billion cubic meters, and then another four years at 40 billion cubic meters per year - this is Gazprom and takes apart unnecessary pipes. Naturally, they will not disassemble all gas pipelines, since the contract must be fulfilled for more than four years, and then the Ukrainian direction may still be useful. But nobody will support the work of suitable gas pipelines by more than 60-70 billion cubic meters of gas, as it is expensive, ”says Yushkov.

      A similar position is maintained in Gazprom. According to Sergei Pravosudov, director of the Institute of National Energy and chief editor of Gazprom’s corporate magazine, the Russian newspaper PolitExpert informed that pipe dismantling is explained by a strong reduction in deliveries through Ukraine, which previously accounted for about 90% of all gas transportation to Europe.

      Yes, old pipes are dismantled. But not just all the pipes, but simply those that are not currently in demand for transit, the oldest sections. This is what we are talking about, ”said Pravosudov.

      Moreover, Gazprom has been publicly talking about these plans for at least four years. In June 2016, during the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, the head of the Russian company, Alexey Miller, said that in connection with the development of alternative gas corridors, Gazprom intends to eliminate about 4,3 thousand kilometers of gas pipelines in the Central Corridor of the GTS in the next five years, as well as close 62 compressor shops . Further, until 2030, it was planned to dismantle 10,7 thousand kilometers of pipes.

      As follows from Miller's presentation, it was primarily a question of reducing the capacity of the gas pipeline connecting the Russian Yamburgskoye field with the village of Suja in the Kursk region, through which about 70% of Russian gas is pumped in the Ukrainian direction. After reducing the capacity, the pumping volume was supposed to decrease to 10-15 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
      https://vz.ru/economy/2020/6/17/1045454.html
    44. -1
      18 June 2020 13: 02
      and Miller has such a physiognomy as if he had already personally handed over these pipes to ferrous metal and didn’t share it with anyone.
    45. -1
      18 June 2020 13: 09
      Quote: antivirus
      GDP brought the Russian Federation to the point of no return - pipes are cut into a new aircraft carrier of 70 tons of explosives. the sailors got their way, from the couch they won .....
      or gas or an aircraft carrier ...

      What brains can an antivirus have? He, in fact, is built in the same way. like his antipode. The main thing for him is to multiply. And no matter what shit.
    46. -1
      18 June 2020 13: 12
      Quote: SkАй
      and Miller has such a physiognomy as if he had already personally handed over these pipes to ferrous metal and didn’t share it with anyone.

      Let's look at yours. Do not hide, felon.
      1. 0
        19 June 2020 19: 02
        Why are you, uncle, ready to call every person unknown to you? has the doctor been checked for a long time? patron sled rye with a salary of 2 lemons per day found. Come and unfasten you? ask more next time for a two-week course from a psychiatrist
    47. -1
      18 June 2020 13: 16
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Then the German mafia. Miller is a German from St. Petersburg.

      Your last name does not guarantee that you are a Russian patriot. In history there were SUCH Russian bastards ....
    48. 0
      18 June 2020 13: 26
      Window dressing, caught up with technicians and people instead of just shutting off the valve.

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