Israel improves electronics F-35I Adir fighters: a reference to Syrian air defense

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On July 4, a special test aircraft F-35 is due to arrive in Israel. His arrival in the country will mark the beginning of the planned modernization of F-35 aircraft, which should become the main fighters of the country's air forces.

Recall that at present, Israel already operates 18 fifth-generation fighter F-35I Adir, which are part of the 140th Golden Eagle squadron of the Israeli Air Force. In total, the country ordered 50 F-35I Adir fighters.



Aircraft F-35I Adir is an Israeli modification of the American fighter-bomber F-35 Lightning II. Translated from Hebrew, Adir means "Mighty." Unlike the American base model, the Israeli F-35 has electronic warfare systems, sensors, and avionics made specifically from Israel.

One of the main features of the F-35 aircraft is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems, determining their location and displaying it to the pilot of the aircraft. The data on the location of the radar and air defense systems are also transmitted to other combatants - as aviationand terrestrial systems.

Data is collected and accumulated by antennas. They transmit the received information to the on-board computers of the aircraft. The ELINT F-35 system will already be upgraded on site through the additional installation of Israeli-made components. It is the arrival of a special test aircraft that will fully test all systems of local production.

Thanks to the installed systems, each Israeli Air Force F-35 aircraft will be able to act as a “target generator” not only for other aircraft, but also for ground units and naval ships. This will be possible thanks to a unified command and control system created by the Israeli military.


Former Israeli Air Force commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu said the F-35 aircraft will provide Israeli aviation with new capabilities that will be especially effective in those regions where advanced anti-aircraft missile systems are deployed.

It is possible that these regions mean Syria adjacent to Israel, whose air defense is carried out, including the S-300 air defense system delivered by Russia. A reference to the Syrian air defense for the Israeli Air Force is extremely important. Such serious air defense systems force Israelis to be more attentive to improving the capabilities of their own air forces. Moreover, for example, The National Interest magazine reported on testing new Russian electronic warfare systems "Krasukha-4" on Israeli F-35 aircraft. True, no evidence has been received of this data. Although even if the information is 100 percent true, it is unlikely that one of the officials will confirm it.

Eitan Ben Eliyahu also noted that the importance of modernizing the F-35 is more tangible, given that the Israeli air forces perform real combat missions daily. Recall also that the Israeli Air Force is the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.
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  1. -29
    16 June 2020 19: 26
    Another rusty pepelats. To steal it for research. I wonder why the Unas GRU does not catch mice?
    1. -12
      16 June 2020 19: 45
      It is possible that the F-35I Adir will become a real stealth. I do not rule out that.
      The modernization of the Su-25 was carried out by the Tbilisi Aircraft Plant and the Israeli company Elbit Systems, which “ate the dog” by converting military equipment from the Cold War 1.0 into modern systems. In particular, Elbit Systems upgraded the "ancient" MiG-21 to the Bison version, and it shot down the Pakistani interceptor F-16 Fighting Falcon ("Attacking Falcon") at the end of February 2019.

      Now this story is a bit forgotten, but in the US-Indian exercises Cope India the "Bison" was not visible to the radar of the F-15C Eagles fighter due to the electronic warfare system EL / L-8222 of the Israeli company IAI, installed on the MiG-21. All this gives reason to believe that the “pumped” by Su-25 Jewish experts to the Scorpion version will also become a difficult target for anti-aircraft systems.

      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/267355/?lbq=1
      1. -13
        17 June 2020 01: 19
        This defective pepelats no electronics will not save.
        1. +2
          17 June 2020 05: 54
          This defective pepelats no electronics will not save.

          You know better from the sofa, you can’t argue
        2. -2
          27 June 2020 19: 39
          It is flawed only in your Russian wet dreams. This is your PAK Fu flawed. Only able to fall.
    2. +4
      16 June 2020 19: 45
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Another rusty pepelats. To steal it for research. I wonder why the Unas GRU does not catch mice?

      Well, because rusty, yes, they themselves answered, we did not even have the first production su 57
    3. -6
      16 June 2020 19: 57
      Because now we don’t have a GRU laughing Bandera arrested all generals and colonels in Kiev. laughing laughing laughing There is the General Staff, but after all, these devices are not babies either. You just can’t steal it. hi
    4. +3
      16 June 2020 20: 34
      "Another rusty pepelats" - little Israel has 50 of them, and great Russia has 3 that are not yet completed
      1. +1
        16 June 2020 20: 43
        Little Israel doesn’t build them. And Russia experienced only 10 pieces.
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 21: 27
          10 experienced, whose combat value tends to zero due to the fact that they are experienced. On some engines, the old ones, on some avionics they did not change, somewhere the radar was understaffed, on one they tested the strength characteristics, on the other they tested life support systems and electronics.
          Experienced aircraft, and even experienced ones, have different systems on them, and it’s not at all a fact that all 10 sides have the same, and even more new set of equipment, especially for using weapons.
          1. +5
            16 June 2020 21: 29
            I don’t know about this, you think? In a series of Su-57 went. Which, given the disaster of the 90s, is a miracle in itself.
            1. -1
              16 June 2020 21: 41
              Well, what do you immediately say about 10 experienced against the background of the Israeli 18 drill, since they do not need to be taken into account.
              Moreover, in such a series, in which the Su-57 went, as many as 76 units. until 2027, if I'm not mistaken, one could be proud of those very 90s and 3s, but while they are built, the troops will receive 4-57 times more other combat aircraft of not so "outdated" models that are for money on the Su -7 it would be much more rational to modernize than build 8 squadrons for 6-XNUMX years, which need new infrastructure.
              I am in no way opposed to the purchase of the Su-57, but then I should focus on it and cut the number of purchased and repaired more "outdated" types and finally get rid of the old modifications of the MiG-29 and Su-27.
              1. +5
                16 June 2020 21: 52
                Quote: Holgerton
                Moreover, with such a series, into which the Su-57 went, as many as 76 units. until 2027, if I’m not mistaken, we could be proud of those very 90s and zero,

                In those same 90s, the army did not receive money for years. And you say ...
                And about pride or not, so Call today another country, except the USA, which itself is building a series of fives with more than 76 units.
                1. +2
                  16 June 2020 22: 53
                  The same China is building fives and not only at an accelerated pace, but it is impossible to compare with China, the scale is not the same. Regarding the 90s, I already remember the hungry years, but I meant pride in the 76 Su-57 units built, in the 90s and even in the XNUMXs it would have been a truly innovative and breakthrough aircraft, but at the moment it is only " one of "and the news of the launch of it in the series is somehow taken for granted, given how long it was transferred, then the joy of the event was diffused for several years, instead of a couple of weeks.
                  1. +2
                    17 June 2020 00: 29
                    These 76 Su-57s are already the largest and most expensive fighter aircraft contract in Russian history.
              2. 0
                27 June 2020 22: 31
                By the way, the author was mistaken. Currently, the Israeli Air Force is armed with 20 F-35s, not 18. And in July another 4 F-35s should arrive. Moreover, 3 of them are drill-mounted, and one experimental, specially adapted for testing the compatibility of Israeli software with the staff. By the end of this year, 3 more combatant F-35s should be delivered. In total, by the end of this year, 26 of these machines will be in operation. Two full squadrons.
          2. +5
            16 June 2020 21: 35
            There will be serial ones this year.
          3. -3
            17 June 2020 00: 28
            One gets the impression that you yourself collected them, that everyone knows so thoroughly where and what is so ?! wassat
            1. -1
              25 June 2020 01: 19
              No, I just know how to read news on the topic) bully
        2. 0
          18 June 2020 21: 30
          Little Israel, who has been waging war all his life, has no nichrome in terms of resources, even fresh water is in short supply, but there is money to buy 50 aircraft, plus there are brains and resources for their modernization, and the "great and mighty" one has a huge (compared to Israel) -with the resources not enough brains for 20 years to bring to mind let there be 10 prototypes.
      2. -1
        16 June 2020 21: 25
        Because of this, develop a new mega project?

        In fact :
        One of the main features of the F-35 aircraft is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems, determining their location and displaying it to the pilot of the aircraft. The data on the location of the radar and air defense systems are also transmitted to other combatants - both aviation and ground-based systems.

        He will only do what the MiG-31 has long been doing))))
        1. +12
          16 June 2020 21: 50
          And what does the MiG-31 do?
      3. -3
        16 June 2020 22: 51
        Now, if Russia were pumping loot from the Jews it would be 50, but for now, on the contrary, so 3
        1. +2
          17 June 2020 14: 46
          Quote: Charik
          Now, if Russia pumped the loot of the Jews

          Russia does not need Jews.
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 14: 49
            And they are-
            is Russia they do not need
          2. 0
            17 June 2020 20: 18
            In, Mikhan are needed, but the Jews
            Quote: andreykolesov123
            Russia does not need Jews.
            . Here is how they could only convey it ...
      4. 0
        16 June 2020 23: 06
        Quote: kutuz
        "Another rusty pepelats" - little Israel has 50 of them, and great Russia has 3 that are not yet completed
        Import substitution, Jews and finally intellectuals - a suitcase station and that one, and instead of them - won Mikhan outcast, a natural result.
        1. 0
          17 June 2020 14: 48
          Quote: muham
          Meehan expels

          And why is he bad? Clever, intelligent, sober.
    5. +4
      16 June 2020 21: 34
      Rusty pepelats for research do not steal.
  2. +1
    16 June 2020 19: 27
    Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic
    1. +1
      16 June 2020 19: 28
      Well, then let’s not look too chic, but I don’t want to
    2. 0
      16 June 2020 22: 34
      Quote: NIKNN
      Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic

      Is someone forcing you? I'm sure that Russia is not someone from Gog or Magog.
      1. -2
        16 June 2020 22: 50
        Quote: Cheldon
        Quote: NIKNN
        Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic

        Is someone forcing you? I'm sure that Russia is not someone from Gog or Magog.

        These were the USSR, and the USA are now, but their time will soon come. wink
        1. +1
          17 June 2020 11: 00
          Guys, don’t judge strictly ... I’ve got a guy crashed here in Samara My pilot ...
          https://news.mail.ru/incident/42172274/?frommail=1
          So yesterday it was still not buried adequately, but I love all of you and I shake my paw! We are not enemies, we simply cannot be enemies, we are servants of the state. Oh, who was in what.
      2. 0
        16 June 2020 22: 54
        Cheldon (Alex) -Why Cheldon (a man from the Don?)
        1. 0
          17 June 2020 05: 44
          Quote: Charik
          Cheldon (Alex) -Why Cheldon (a man from the Don?)

          Yes hi
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 14: 45
            I have in Novovoronezh flows
      3. +1
        17 June 2020 10: 34
        Yes, I said that there is no desire and the topic is not for cons supported. And what we’ve said, it’s a professional pilot who says ... Well, I ended my career on MiG 21 .. of course it's hard to compete with the F35 But aerobatics in maneuverability here the soul still speaks. :))
      4. +1
        17 June 2020 11: 45
        Forgive me if I touched for the sick, honestly did not want to. But here. if in fact (well, it was long ago) Khakak in my opinion they had a mirage that was stolen ... But I had a chance to meet in Algeria .. No, not in the hostilities, but talked with the pilots and even had a chance to fly ... Like a fighter about nothing ... the sight is better .. as the plane is now accepted to the class of drums, but without covering it doesn’t mean anything ... Well, F-35 As well, I’m sorry if I didn’t please again .. not on purpose, I press the man’s paw! hi
        1. +1
          27 June 2020 22: 50
          Quote: NIKNN
          In my opinion, Khakak they had a mirage that was stolen ... But I had a chance to meet in Algeria .. No, not in the fighting, but talked with the pilots and even had a chance to fly ... Like a fighter about anything ... the sight is better .. as the plane is now accepted to the percussion class, but without cover it means nothing ..


          Did you mean Mirage 3? And who stole and from whom? I understood you correctly that Mirage 3 as a fighter was not? What are the grounds for such an opinion. The Soviet pilots then in Egypt even a saying arose: I saw the Mirage, do not turn into a bend. That is, in terms of maneuverability, it was superior to the MiG-21. In Mirage 3, the wing load was much less, and the speed was about the same. Moreover, I read the opinion of one former Soviet pilot who flew on the MiG-21, so from his words the MiG-21 had so little fuel that one could forget about supersonic flights. On the ground targets were aiming for the boot, and in the BVB, the brand of the cannon sight when overloaded 2,5, the same fell on the hood. R-3 rocket had approximately the same overload restrictions to capture the target. In general, the MiG-21 had big problems with maneuvering combat.
  3. -8
    16 June 2020 19: 29
    50 cars, not very much for
    are the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.
    1. +3
      16 June 2020 19: 43
      When the question is one Papuans, it is very powerful
    2. 0
      27 June 2020 22: 54
      So in addition to these 50 F-35s, the Israeli Air Force also has about 200 F-16s and F-15s, not counting those stored.
  4. sav
    +4
    16 June 2020 19: 33
    And for Israel, the F-35 is also produced in the States?
    1. +6
      16 June 2020 19: 39
      F35 are assembled in the USA and Italy. The remaining partners in the program are involved in the production of components.
      1. sav
        +5
        16 June 2020 19: 48
        Understood thanks hi
    2. +6
      16 June 2020 21: 16
      In addition to electronics, Israel itself produces almost all electronics.
      1. Maz
        -6
        17 June 2020 18: 23
        Quote: Grazdanin
        In addition to electronics, Israel itself produces almost all electronics.

        Who makes electronics? Israel? I haven’t been laughing like that for a long time. Maybe he collects it, yes, but hardly produces it.
        1. +2
          17 June 2020 18: 46
          Well, google before writing, otherwise he wrote as he pushed into a puddle.
          Israel’s military exports totaled $ 2017 billion in 9. Has the following structure:
          Satellites and space - 1%
          Systems for the Navy - 1%
          UAV - 2%
          Services and more - 3%
          Intelligence and information gathering systems, cyber defense equipment - 5%
          Observation systems and optoelectronics - 8%
          Weapons, military equipment for land forces, ammunition - 9%
          Communication systems - 9%
          Upgrading weapons and military equipment - 14%
          Radar and electronic warfare systems - 17%
          Missiles and missile defense systems - 31%
  5. +3
    16 June 2020 19: 33
    Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.
    1. 0
      16 June 2020 20: 49
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.

      It turns out that 18 planes are not yet stuffed with Israel, since it remains to stir up everything on this plane ??
      1. +1
        16 June 2020 21: 10
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.

        It turns out that 18 planes are not yet stuffed with Israel, since it remains to stir up everything on this plane ??

        The first 25 will have to be upgraded subsequently.
        1. +7
          16 June 2020 23: 16
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The first 25 will have to be upgraded subsequently.

          Israeli alterations of US aircraft (and not only), always improved their characteristics. So it was with the F-15 F-16, so it was with the Soviet MIG-21 from different countries. I am sure it will be so now, and Israeli planes will be more combat-ready than the same US counterparts.
          1. -1
            17 June 2020 21: 36
            Duc our Indian Bison have long been acquired together with alterations. And they "shared" their experience and looked at the craftsmen - "immigrants from the USSR" or "repatriates" who greatly helped Israel in the issue of weapons. In general, it is rightly said here - making stealth is more difficult than making electronic warfare or a powerful locator. Moreover, the EPR is small only from certain angles
            Here is an interesting little article.
            https://www.quora.com/Can-an-F-35-defeat-a-Su-57?redirected_qid=49124569
            1. +1
              17 June 2020 22: 15
              Quote: Gogia
              Duc our Indian Bison long ago got hold of the alterations. And the experience was "shared"

              It is unlikely that our specialists found something new for themselves in Mig-21 today, but if they got Lightning with Israeli bells and whistles, then Yes!
      2. 0
        27 June 2020 23: 01
        Not 18, but 20 now in Israel. It seems that they are already installing some separate Israeli systems, but not all. It will be necessary to upgrade 26 - the number of F-35s, which by the end of this year will be present in the Israeli Air Force.
    2. 0
      16 June 2020 23: 05
      Aron, I am a weak user and I do not always know how to "take pictures" but exp. the board is different, all in the control white points of the fastener. (at O. Granovsky) And there seems to be a solution to the issue of cooling the output elements - in red ...
  6. +1
    16 June 2020 19: 39
    What is already being upgraded !!!?
    1. +3
      16 June 2020 20: 09
      Israeli electronic warfare is needed to protect the F-35I Adir, since there is no great hope in feeding only a small ESR.
      The planes, the arrival of which is scheduled for 2020, will receive Israeli-built electronic warfare systems built into the hull and wings. Special fuel tanks will also be installed. In a year or two, the planes will receive the Israeli control system, control, communications and computers (C4 - command, control, communications and computers).

      Lockheed Martin does not give customers similar software codes for F-35 systems. To install its systems, Israel will receive special communication channels (API - Application Programming Interface) to the basic software of the aircraft.
      Already, there are systems capable of detecting stealth aircraft. Experts believe that in 15 years significant progress will be achieved in this area. Relying on low radar visibility will no longer be possible and then EW systems will help in the survival of the aircraft. It is these systems that are created for the F-35 by the joint efforts of Elbit Maarahot and IAI.

      https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/306091.html
  7. +6
    16 June 2020 19: 40
    How is it that Israel, with 9 million people and without oil, is improving the electronics of the F-35I? Yes, this can not be! We have been fighting Rogozin for a long time, poor fellow, but it still doesn’t work out.
    1. +4
      16 June 2020 19: 42
      Rogozin is in charge of Roscosmos, and not Roselectronics. So past the checkout counter.
      1. +3
        16 June 2020 20: 00
        laughing Looks like a sleep break through Rogozin.
      2. +5
        16 June 2020 22: 52
        Your memory is short: what he was not in charge of after arriving from Brussels. And electronics, as I remember. So what are the successes "with electronics", educate. If everything is fine with electronics, then you can not worry about space (roscosmos) either.
    2. 5-9
      -1
      17 June 2020 13: 31
      Rogozin has no F-35. Also, a couple of countries with a population of more than 35 billion do not improve F-1 electronics.
      Also, the USA itself doesn’t improve electronics in F-35 in Yavrei .... LockheedMartin’s opinion with enthusiasm for such improvement is not given in the article.
      Yes, and all sorts of India also like to "improve" ... as in this case, it is not a fact that a plus for technology.
  8. +2
    16 June 2020 19: 42
    Data is collected and accumulated by antennas.

    Although I’m not a REOshnik, there is clearly something wrong with this phrase. Or I'm wrong?
    1. +4
      16 June 2020 20: 05
      I’m also the electronic engineer and the author of the article too. Data is collected and stored by the on-board computer, I think it sounds more logical. laughing Although who knows these Jews. Maybe they have muddied some cunning antenna. laughing
      1. 0
        17 June 2020 15: 00
        Quote: Captive
        I’m also the electronic engineer and the author of the article too. Data is collected and stored by the on-board computer, I think it sounds more logical. laughing Although who knows these Jews. Maybe they have muddied some cunning antenna. laughing

        I think that the author meant that the aircraft is equipped with various types of antennas for various types of radio emissions, from which information is received and processed by a central computer.
  9. +1
    16 June 2020 19: 50
    Former Israeli Air Force commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu said the F-35 aircraft will provide Israeli aviation with new capabilities that will be especially effective in those regions where advanced anti-aircraft missile systems are deployed.

    So yes ... But why does the ex advertise all this ..? Then everything will be written off to him or is he like a "torpedo" or another advertising campaign? ..
    I love articles from Israel, full of optimism and militant spirit .. crying
    1. 0
      16 June 2020 21: 34
      Quote: Ugnetenni
      I love articles from Israel, full of optimism and militant spirit.

      I love articles from Syria (you have beguiled the country), full of optimism and a militant spirit.
  10. +1
    16 June 2020 20: 04
    20 F-35 Adir vehicles so far in the Israeli Air Force (19-20 arrived in November 2019) In July, four more will arrive (including the test board) No. 924, 933, 935, 937. 75 units have already been ordered. (a request was made to the third squadron of 25 units, which is the formal beginning of the contract) Two escorts were purchased. (50 units) an official buyer for the Israeli Air Force, the United States Defense Ministry, for American financial assistance. At the end of the year, three more will arrive, they are on the assembly. Photo tested. board number 924 already with Israeli systems delivered to the United States https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/417729.html#comments
    1. -3
      16 June 2020 20: 19
      Purchased two esc. (50 units) an official buyer for the Israeli Air Force, the United States Defense Ministry, for American financial assistance. At the end of the year, three more will arrive, they are on the assembly.

      Of course, they don’t look at the gifted horse in the mouth. But then the heavenly manna from heaven fell on Israel. The Germans build submarines for free to Israel. request fellow Miracles and only. How can all this be explained logically?
      1. +14
        16 June 2020 20: 35
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        How can all this be explained logically?

        Business and nothing more. Funds invested in Israel always pay off handsomely. On the other hand, funds invested in Arabs are like water in the sand.

        PS
        The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.
        1. -3
          16 June 2020 20: 44
          Quote: professor
          used it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.


          This fact is not proven.
          1. +11
            16 June 2020 20: 50
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: professor
            used it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.


            This fact is not proven.

            Well yes. Someone bombed targets in Syria. Moreover, under the nose and at the S-300 and on the Iraqi border. The aircraft was not intercepted. Norkin announced the combat use of the Adirs. And yes. There is no evidence.
            1. -6
              16 June 2020 20: 58
              Of course not. You would have at least taken an interest in the launch range of Delil, at the same time would have found out that it is Kruglyaya land, in general, and the launch range of SAM 46N6 for a low-flying target is not more than 50 km, with a tower if. And pride in flying over Syria is simply ridiculous. When Syrian is a focal defense. At the same time, the approximate detection range of the F-35 is for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km, which is less than the SDB reset range.
              1. +7
                16 June 2020 21: 55
                Is pride in flying over Tehran good? And far, and the defense of air defense is not focal.
                http://newsader.com/54068-smi-radar-s-300-ne-smog-obnaruzhit-izrail/
                1. 0
                  16 June 2020 21: 56
                  And there was no flight .... And so everything is fine ..... Nowhere else do they lie like fishing and war. (with.)
                  No one would have gone for such stupidity, if only for political reasons, even in Israel. Operation at such a depth should have a clear military objective
                  1. +9
                    16 June 2020 21: 59
                    Now they lie everywhere, and it is difficult to distinguish truth from lies. But the flight was most likely, a hint was delivered to the Iranians, the air defense commander resigned. The Iranians did not even refute this Old, although they usually justify themselves to the last.
                    1. -1
                      16 June 2020 22: 02
                      And the point of refuting something that was not there? Here was the operation Opera at a much shallower depth with a specific result
                      1. +7
                        16 June 2020 22: 14
                        A blow to pride, tried to hush up and not shy away. They usually behave this way when they mess up, which they know about, and try not to aggravate. The Israeli prime minister and the head of the General Staff in a veiled form hinted that there was. But rather a demonstration of opportunities - this was a concrete result.
                      2. -2
                        16 June 2020 22: 16
                        No, 90 to 10 that this is fiction ...
              2. +1
                17 June 2020 08: 51
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Moreover, the approximate detection range of the F-35, for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km

                Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, RIA Novosti reports.
                "The Syrian armed forces will receive a modern S-300 anti-aircraft missile system within two weeks. It is capable of intercepting air attack weapons at a distance of more than 250 kilometer and simultaneously hit several air targets, "he said.
                The S-300 will significantly strengthen the combat capabilities of the Syrian air defense. He also said that Russia will to suppress satellite navigation, airborne radar systems and communications of combat aircraft attacking targets in the country in the Mediterranean Sea adjacent to Syria.
                Now for the question.
                Who to trust the Minister of Defense or you?
              3. +3
                17 June 2020 20: 14
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Of course not. You would have at least taken an interest in the launch range of Delil, at the same time would have found out that it is Kruglyaya land, in general, and the launch range of SAM 46N6 for a low-flying target is not more than 50 km, with a tower if

                How do I know about Delilah?
                https://topwar.ru/9341-vysokotochnaya-krylataya-raketa-delilah.html

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                And pride in flying over Syria is simply ridiculous. When Syrian is a focal defense. At the same time, the approximate detection range of the F-35 is for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km, which is less than the SDB reset range.

                Yes, yes. S-200, S-300, Shell and the rest of the list sucks and it’s stupid to be proud of overcoming all this. So?
                1. -1
                  17 June 2020 20: 24
                  No. Just don’t worry, Israeli planes certainly didn’t enter the affected and deployed S-300 and Pantsire divisions ... When the F-16 was in the S-200 affected area, even the Syrians could bring it down.
                  By the way, I already wrote that in 1989, when the Soviet commission studied the state of affairs in Syria regarding the Air Force and Air Defense, it turned out that the Syrians did not even request a translation from the Russian IE and TO in LA and SAM.
                  1. +3
                    17 June 2020 20: 36
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    No. Just don’t worry, Israeli planes certainly didn’t enter the affected and deployed S-300 and Pantsire divisions ... When the F-16 was in the S-200 affected area, even the Syrians could bring it down.

                    That is, Galileo and Khmeinim in the zone of defeat of the Syrian air defense, but all of Syria is not? Nice. Is air defense just worth it if it can not only protect objects, but also protect itself?

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    By the way, I already wrote that in 1989, when the Soviet commission studied the state of affairs in Syria regarding the Air Force and Air Defense, it turned out that the Syrians did not even request a translation from the Russian IE and TO in LA and SAM.

                    Yes Yes. And thousands of Soviet "advisers" in Syria drank only vodka, while Syrian cadets in Soviet military schools only smoked cannabis.
            2. +2
              16 June 2020 21: 01
              Oleg, there is an expression: "I didn't post it, so it wasn't." wink
            3. +1
              16 June 2020 22: 10
              F-35 will fall in Syria, what will you do?
              1. +3
                16 June 2020 22: 48
                F-35 will fall in Syria, what will you do?

                1. They will cover with a missile strike urgently.
                2. Will be asked to return urgently hi
        2. 0
          16 June 2020 21: 21
          Quote: professor
          The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

          Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?
          1. +4
            17 June 2020 06: 32
            In Syria. Through a unified air defense system, built by Russian specialists, through which "no fly will fly."
          2. +1
            17 June 2020 20: 17
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: professor
            The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

            Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?

            1. -1
              17 June 2020 20: 56
              Quote: professor
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: professor
              The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

              Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?


              I don’t even know what to say. I understand Israel attacked the Russian Air Force base in Syria, and for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself. So you didn’t break anything
              1. +2
                18 June 2020 20: 04
                Quote: APASUS
                .I understand Israel attacked Russian air force base in Syriaand for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself

                What?

                Quote: APASUS
                .So you didn’t break anything

                So they didn’t break through. They just bombed something on the territory of Syria dozens of times, and the Syrians simply saluted us with air defense systems.
                1. -1
                  19 June 2020 08: 49
                  Quote: professor
                  Quote: APASUS
                  .I understand Israel attacked Russian air force base in Syriaand for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself

                  What?
                  .

                  Actually nothing, an ordinary contract. That's just for this
                  They just bombed something in Syria dozens of times

                  And at the expense of the salutes of the Syrian air defense, so there the Stone Age
                  1. +3
                    19 June 2020 15: 54
                    Quote: APASUS
                    Actually nothing, an ordinary contract. That's just for this

                    Agreed with the Russian Federation, not the ATS or Iran.

                    Quote: APASUS
                    And at the expense of the salutes of the Syrian air defense, so there the Stone Age

                    Well yes. Beech, Shell, S-300 is a stone age. lol
                    1. 0
                      19 June 2020 21: 23
                      Quote: professor
                      Agreed with the Russian Federation, not the ATS or Iran.

                      That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125
                      Quote: professor
                      Well yes. Beech, Shell, S-300 is a stone age.

                      The equipment is good, only the Syrian crews. I hope it is not necessary to show how one of the first Carapace was killed when the crew smoked on the street?
                      1. +2
                        19 June 2020 21: 38
                        Quote: APASUS
                        That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                        That is, in the destroyed shells and beeches were your experts? Did they hurt?

                        Quote: APASUS
                        The equipment is good, only the Syrian crews. I hope it is not necessary to show how one of the first Carapace was killed when the crew smoked on the street?

                        There were those who shot back. The truth is not successful. However, the manufacturer claims a fully automatic mode when the system itself does everything. Syrians and what?
                      2. -1
                        20 June 2020 22: 09
                        Quote: professor
                        That is, in the destroyed shells and beeches were your experts? Did they hurt?

                        For what purpose are you interested in not being a scout from you? Something about the control of airspace heard, well, draw conclusions ..........
                        Quote: professor

                        There were those who shot back. The truth is not successful. However, the manufacturer claims a fully automatic mode when the system itself does everything. Syrians and what?

                        I won’t say for everything, well, when the Syrian crew smokes nearby on the street, he certainly has nothing to do with it ............. you can’t argue
                      3. +2
                        21 June 2020 18: 17
                        Quote: APASUS
                        For what purpose are you interested in not being a scout from you? Something about the control of airspace heard, well, draw conclusions ..........

                        It turns out your specialists screwed up on the armor panels?

                        Quote: APASUS
                        I won’t say for everything, well, when the Syrian crew smokes nearby on the street, he certainly has nothing to do with it ............. you can’t argue

                        You claimed that
                        Quote: APASUS
                        That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                        Who then smoked near cars? Who was shooting back?
                      4. -1
                        21 June 2020 20: 20
                        Quote: professor
                        It turns out your specialists screwed up on the armor panels?

                        It doesn’t work, the Syrian crews screwed up. You must be able to use the transmitted information
                      5. -1
                        19 June 2020 21: 48
                        Quote: APASUS
                        That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                        I agree . .! It is useless to argue with the professor "eternal colonel" .. He's a monument here! And before that I always ran around here in turtles .. Do you remember the falcons? And he complained constantly)))))
                        How many men on your account are framed in an eternal ban?
                        We all remember ..
      2. -1
        16 June 2020 20: 46
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        How can all this be explained logically?

        And you try
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Germans build submarines for free to Israel. Miracles and more.

        Well, yes, a submarine for free is good, and the States are free for the latest MFIs about ... oh sorry, they give
  11. -3
    16 June 2020 20: 06
    It is necessary for our specialized departments to analyze the information) What is most likely already done. In general, the F-35 worries me personally, but I am a relatively couch "expert") I wish I could knock down a couple.
  12. -17
    16 June 2020 20: 25
    F-35 aircraft features is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems
    ==================
    "shorn" decided to scare)) fighters \ defenders of the Russian Federation.
    funny))) Hey !!! You there!!! frightened \ "promised" !!! First, buy diapers, for adults))
  13. 0
    16 June 2020 20: 50
    Quote: Welldone
    It is necessary for our specialized departments to analyze the information) What is most likely already done. In general, the F-35 worries me personally, but I am a relatively couch "expert") I wish I could knock down a couple.

    What is done? By whom ? What kind of nonsense, look at the latest technology and Israeli start-ups, they have already bypassed Russia, not with weapons of the past, but new and competitively capable
    1. -2
      16 June 2020 21: 01
      Oops Israel builds fifth generation fighters on its own? Well, at least fighters in general? Or are KR flying several thousand kilometers?
      1. +10
        16 June 2020 22: 03
        KR have 1500-2000 km will suit? Will the 11500 km ICBM descend? All electronics and weapons for the 5th generation of standards? 4 country in the world with a nuclear triad, so-so? Is the population of Israel 9 million not too many for such achievements?
        Start reading / watching at least something other than Zvezda TV channel, at least here. https://topwar.ru/143462-yadernyy-potencial-izrailya.html
        1. -7
          16 June 2020 22: 09
          Oh, what expression! Do you want to measure something? Does it make sense?
          All electronics and weapons for the 5th generation of standards?

          BortRLS you did not do .. The wrong level is corny.
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Is the population of Israel 9 million not too many for such achievements?

          When Israel is presented with a flotilla of the latest NAPLs and 50 fifth-generation MFIs normally ...
          Who would give us. laughing We have to do everything ourselves ...
          1. +9
            16 June 2020 22: 51
            The level of ELTA Systems Ltd (IAI) is just that, but Lockheed does not sell "naked" gliders with an engine and control system that would suit Israel, he needs profit. In 20 in service, communication is immediately replaced, the system is friend or foe, its software is built on, thanks to the open architecture of the source, it is also possible that: - the machine comes off the assembly line somewhat "different" for Israel, according to inform. Lockheed. Experiment the sample already has the Israeli electronic warfare system, instead of the original BAE. Its main task is to integrate Israeli weapons and conformal tanks.
          2. +5
            16 June 2020 22: 59
            Which radar station in F35i did not find information in open sources. I think Israel will be able to put a modification for example a radar with AFAR EL / M-2052.
            For info ELTA Systems, the manufacturer of radar and a huge number of other "electronics", in 2014 earned $ 1,1 billion, about 90% of customers abroad.
            1. +2
              17 June 2020 01: 01
              At its maximum, 10 kW. 180 kg variant, EL / M-2052 is 20% higher than that installed on the F-35 Northrop Grumman AN / APG-81 but who will give immediately, on the conveyor, someone else's in the future. And given the diameter of the nose F-35 and the number of possible additional active elements - and even more ...
              1. 0
                17 June 2020 01: 32
                What will replace the probability of 100%, the question is what exactly, we do not know all the parameters and what radar stations Israel has.
              2. -5
                17 June 2020 02: 37
                What are you speaking about. 2052 even the 77th Raptor station long ago discontinued at Dobn. not superior. Target with EPR = 1 sq.m. Ext. Elbit 220 km, Dobn. 77th station 201-242 km.
                1. +2
                  17 June 2020 09: 07
                  They convinced the electronics of Israel shit, the countries that buy weapons, equipment, technology, fools from them. They can’t do anything, there are at least 20 countries that do the same but better.))
                  1. -5
                    17 June 2020 09: 55
                    Can you do without tantrums? As you will find in my posts that
                    Israeli electronics shit, countries that buy weapons, equipment, technology, fools from them.

                    Tell me, okay?
                    1. +2
                      17 June 2020 10: 58
                      What for? To know that Israel does not have its own Kyrgyz Republic? Or did the radar for the F22 AN / APG-77 of 2005 start operation, better than the multiplatform EL / M-2052 presented in the same 2005? For info, both radars have similar parameters.
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      Ext. Elbit 220 km, Dobn. 77th station 201-242 km.
                      even you confirm this, of the 77 that you wrote, the average value of Dobn is 221,5 km, “total superiority” over 2052, with its unfortunate 220 km. Only now 2052 is 2-3 times lighter than 77 and created as a multi-platform radar.
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      The wrong level is corny.
                      I agree with this, Israeli radar trite superior US radar
                      1. -2
                        17 June 2020 12: 09
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Israel radar trite superior US radar

                        Boasting.
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        "Total superiority" over 2052, with its unfortunate 220 km.

                        You're lying. I didn’t say that. And I talked about the comparability of the data currently offered for sale at Elbit Station 2052 and the 77th
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        To know that Israel does not have its own Kyrgyz Republic?

                        You're lying, again, I didn’t say that
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        EL / M-2052 presented in the same 2005? For info, both radars have similar parameters.

                        For info, I watched the latest data. The station is commercial, for sale. If cho.
                        Only now 2052 is 2-3 times lighter 77

                        Well, yes, the cooling system is conditionally not shown and not weighed. And she is there.
                      2. +3
                        17 June 2020 12: 25
                        Oh well
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        BortRLS you did not do .. The wrong level is corny.


                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        2052, even the 77th Raptor station long ago discontinued at Dobn. not superior.


                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Or are KR flying several thousand kilometers?
                      3. -3
                        17 June 2020 12: 29
                        Do not bother ....
                2. +4
                  17 June 2020 09: 24
                  Well, so 2052 is produced since 2005. And it is not known what characteristics and improvements this radar currently has. You are unlikely to be informed. laughing And then, for example, far from backward South Koreans use the services of Elta specifically for the radar of their created fighter. Https: //bmpd.livejournal.com/2730008.html
                  1. -5
                    17 June 2020 09: 53
                    Let's not you come up with?
                    2052 is exported, which means that its highest achievements will be officially announced.
                    South Koreans are not equal to Israel in terms of the development of military equipment. Therefore, the choice of Elta is more than justified. Not everyone can sell or even give a brand new F-35 with minced meat.
                    1. +3
                      17 June 2020 10: 39
                      Unlike you, I am not inventing anything, and I am not peering in numbers. To declare the highest achievements in military technology is the Russian know-how of the Zvezda channel. wink
                      1. -3
                        17 June 2020 12: 12
                        It’s hard with you Jews, I tell you the numbers, but from you the emotions are continuous and inflation from the molehills.
                        Try essentially talking, maybe people will stretch.

                        Let's finish. I am not interested in such a dialogue. I’m not going to convince you of anything. Expressed his point of view and that's enough
                      2. +4
                        17 June 2020 12: 53
                        sure sure
                        Just go to the numbers instead
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        The wrong level is corny.
                        и
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        long discontinued
                        it turns out that we are comparing 2005 figures. When 77 began to be operated, and 2055 was presented. The characteristics are similar, only differences in mass at times and you immediately go into the gray zone of the cooling system.
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        KR flying several thousand kilometers?

                        Pop Turbo with its famous 1500-2000 km Range, however, like its foreign counterparts.
                        The rest is lies and populism too lazy to look.

                        In short, as always, you hide your incompetence with accusations, everything is clear with you
                        PS I am a citizen of Russia, I have nothing to do with the Jews, even closer to their national enemies by nationality)) You need to have at least a little objectivity and competence to soberly assess the situation. The technical development of the “western” world is totally superior to the world; Israel is at its forefront. He creates or can all types of weapons and equipment either at the level of the best or superior to the best. Such a situation now.
        2. mvg
          -7
          17 June 2020 00: 54
          4 country in the world with a nuclear triad, so-so?

          wink You’re hard there, do not puff out your cheeks, rolls will tear. Tactical aviation (not confirmed about tactical nuclear weapons), and Dolphin diesel-electric submarines with a missile defense of 1500 km, are not a nuclear triad. Out of pride, this is Jerekhon 2/3 somewhere around 18 ICBMs and a dozen and a half ballistic missile defense (Jerekhon 2 is already old). Well, if it was still, Jerechon -1 range of 300-500 km
          1. +6
            17 June 2020 02: 33
            Colleague, on this topic in Israel official. an absolute taboo, and the figures of the Swedish "peace fighters" from the SIPRI institute, wandering year after year, have little to do with reality. (and on other issues too) Here is some modest information from the "Association of American Nuclear Scientists", a completely different matter, the more so because there you can even meet specialists with a double Amer. Israeli citizenship. Have a nice week ...
          2. +6
            17 June 2020 08: 28
            Quote: mvg
            Tactical Aviation (not confirmed about TNW),

            Two squadrons + - 18+ F-15I Ra'am fighter-bombers (Thunder) - modification of the F-15E Strike Eagle for the Israeli Air Force with two cruise missiles with nuclear warheads
            Quote: mvg
            DEPL Dolphin from KR to 1500 km are not a nuclear triad.

            .
            Range DEPL Dolphin more 10 000 kilometers, and for up to 50 days.
            1. According to an analysis of the world's leading military observers, Israel has a nuclear triad.
            2. Israel does not compare itself with the leading countries with nuclear weapons. And it has it to calm the aggressive neighbors, who many times without successfully wished to destroy it.
            3 Today, there are only two countries, this is Syria, which can ONLY dream and Iran, which is making maximum efforts for this. Therefore, there is nuclear fuel enough to calm him down. Well, if in the future someone else appears.
          3. +3
            17 June 2020 09: 08
            Little country, little triad))
        3. 5-9
          -5
          17 June 2020 13: 32
          Was such a powerful country discovered on the moons of Jupiter?
          Or just hutspa fountain beats over the edge?
  14. +3
    16 June 2020 21: 14
    The normal path of development of any technique, evolution, however.
  15. 0
    16 June 2020 22: 45
    and in the photo it seems to be flying high and the chassis sticking out is the standard position? or I don’t understand, who knows?
  16. +3
    16 June 2020 23: 21
    Quote: Oleg Olkha
    Aron, I am a weak user and I do not always know how to "take pictures" but exp. the board is different, all in the control white points of the fastener. (at O. Granovsky) And there seems to be a solution to the issue of cooling the output elements - in red ...

    Quite possible. So I was wrong with the photo. It happens. I also take information from the Internet.
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  17. +2
    17 June 2020 06: 42
    Recall also that the Israeli Air Force is the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.

    take it wider
  18. -4
    17 June 2020 09: 51
    The article is another squeeze of nonsense from the Internet, and the "sofa experts" immediately began a competition in who is better at searching the Internet.
    Why do you need all this?
  19. -2
    17 June 2020 16: 28
    Yes, and let yourself fly, piece of iron horseradish ...
  20. Maz
    -3
    17 June 2020 18: 41
    Quote: professor
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    How can all this be explained logically?

    Business and nothing more. Funds invested in Israel always pay off handsomely. On the other hand, funds invested in Arabs are like water in the sand.

    PS
    The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

    Israel is a foothold. A non-flying carrier, which direction do not fly a couple of hours fly and you are above the target in the zone of strategic interests of the United States. In the south of Saudi Arabia, in the east, Pakistan, India, China, in the west, Europe and oil Libya, in the north, Turks and Russia,. A marvelous point and American military bases on it. This is not a business professor, this is a lie and hypocrisy, vile, nasty and base. All the rest is just a flutter of air, which does not change the essence. I feel sorry for you. With all your missing American adirs, German submarines dolphin, Italian frigates. It’s just tinsel that does not change your slippery and lousy complexity in relation to non-Jews.
    1. 0
      18 June 2020 12: 36
      Quote: Maz
      it’s a lie and hypocrisy, vile, nasty and base

      About hypocrisy is written by a person whom you can’t lure from Israel and whose daughter served in the IDF. Just like Soloviev, who denounces the West having real estate in the West. Well done Maz, you openly show the level of enemies of Israel.
      1. 0
        18 June 2020 17: 46
        Another nonsense. For some reason, the hamsters themselves come up with reality for themselves, and then they try to equalize all the others.
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        About hypocrisy is written by a person whom you can’t lure from Israel and whose daughter served in the IDF.

        Does this concern you?
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        Just like Soloviev, who denounces the West having real estate in the West.

        That is, the name real estate in the West can not say anything about him? What else can you think of? And what does hamsters mean to expose the west? To discuss what is transmitted by Western media?
        Oh my god, you’ll tear everyone apart for your west, I have never seen such idolatry. Sorry if the West accidentally hurt where.
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