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Israel improves electronics F-35I Adir fighters: a reference to Syrian air defense

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On July 4, a special test aircraft F-35 is due to arrive in Israel. His arrival in the country will mark the beginning of the planned modernization of F-35 aircraft, which should become the main fighters of the country's air forces.


Recall that at present, Israel already operates 18 fifth-generation fighter F-35I Adir, which are part of the 140th Golden Eagle squadron of the Israeli Air Force. In total, the country ordered 50 F-35I Adir fighters.

Aircraft F-35I Adir is an Israeli modification of the American fighter-bomber F-35 Lightning II. Translated from Hebrew, Adir means "Mighty." Unlike the American base model, the Israeli F-35 has electronic warfare systems, sensors, and avionics made specifically from Israel.

One of the main features of the F-35 aircraft is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems, determining their location and displaying it to the pilot of the aircraft. The data on the location of the radar and air defense systems are also transmitted to other combatants - as aviationand terrestrial systems.

Data is collected and accumulated by antennas. They transmit the received information to the on-board computers of the aircraft. The ELINT F-35 system will already be upgraded on site through the additional installation of Israeli-made components. It is the arrival of a special test aircraft that will fully test all systems of local production.

Thanks to the installed systems, each Israeli Air Force F-35 aircraft will be able to act as a “target generator” not only for other aircraft, but also for ground units and naval ships. This will be possible thanks to a unified command and control system created by the Israeli military.


Former Israeli Air Force commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu said the F-35 aircraft will provide Israeli aviation with new capabilities that will be especially effective in those regions where advanced anti-aircraft missile systems are deployed.

It is possible that these regions mean Syria adjacent to Israel, whose air defense is carried out, including the S-300 air defense system delivered by Russia. A reference to the Syrian air defense for the Israeli Air Force is extremely important. Such serious air defense systems force Israelis to be more attentive to improving the capabilities of their own air forces. Moreover, for example, The National Interest magazine reported on testing new Russian electronic warfare systems "Krasukha-4" on Israeli F-35 aircraft. True, no evidence has been received of this data. Although even if the information is 100 percent true, it is unlikely that one of the officials will confirm it.

Eitan Ben Eliyahu also noted that the importance of modernizing the F-35 is more tangible, given that the Israeli air forces perform real combat missions daily. Recall also that the Israeli Air Force is the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.
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  1. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 16 June 2020 19: 26 New
    -29
    Another rusty pepelats. To steal it for research. I wonder why the Unas GRU does not catch mice?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 19: 45 New
      -12
      It is possible that the F-35I Adir will become a real stealth. I do not rule out that.
      The modernization of the Su-25 was carried out by the Tbilisi Aircraft Plant and the Israeli company Elbit Systems, which “ate the dog” by converting military equipment from the Cold War 1.0 into modern systems. In particular, Elbit Systems upgraded the "ancient" MiG-21 to the Bison version, and it shot down the Pakistani interceptor F-16 Fighting Falcon ("Attacking Falcon") at the end of February 2019.

      Now this story is a bit forgotten, but in the US-Indian exercises Cope India the "Bison" was not visible to the radar of the F-15C Eagles fighter due to the electronic warfare system EL / L-8222 of the Israeli company IAI, installed on the MiG-21. All this gives reason to believe that the “pumped” by Su-25 Jewish experts to the Scorpion version will also become a difficult target for anti-aircraft systems.

      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/267355/?lbq=1
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 17 June 2020 01: 19 New
        -13
        This defective pepelats no electronics will not save.
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 17 June 2020 05: 54 New
          +2
          This defective pepelats no electronics will not save.

          You know better from the sofa, you can’t argue
        2. Alexey Ilyin
          Alexey Ilyin 27 June 2020 19: 39 New
          -2
          It is flawed only in your Russian wet dreams. This is your PAK Fu flawed. Only able to fall.
    2. pardonov
      pardonov 16 June 2020 19: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Another rusty pepelats. To steal it for research. I wonder why the Unas GRU does not catch mice?

      Well, because rusty, yes, they themselves answered, we did not even have the first production su 57
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 June 2020 19: 57 New
      -6
      Because now we don’t have a GRU laughing Bandera arrested all generals and colonels in Kiev. laughing laughing laughing There is the General Staff, but after all, these devices are not babies either. You just can’t steal it. hi
    4. kutuz
      kutuz 16 June 2020 20: 34 New
      +3
      “Another rusty pepelats” - in small Israel there are 50 of them, and in great Russia 3 and then not completed
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 20: 43 New
        +1
        Little Israel doesn’t build them. And Russia experienced only 10 pieces.
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 16 June 2020 21: 27 New
          +2
          10 experienced, whose combat value tends to zero due to the fact that they are experienced. On some engines, the old ones, on some avionics they did not change, somewhere the radar was understaffed, on one they tested the strength characteristics, on the other they tested life support systems and electronics.
          Experienced aircraft, and even experienced ones, have different systems on them, and it’s not at all a fact that all 10 sides have the same, and even more new set of equipment, especially for using weapons.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 21: 29 New
            +5
            I don’t know about this, you think? In a series of Su-57 went. Which, given the disaster of the 90s, is a miracle in itself.
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 16 June 2020 21: 41 New
              -1
              Well, what do you immediately say about 10 experienced against the background of the Israeli 18 drill, since they do not need to be taken into account.
              Moreover, with such a series, into which the Su-57 went, as many as 76 units. until 2027, if I’m not mistaken, we could be proud of the very 90s and zero, and until they are built, the troops will receive 3-4 times more other combat aircraft of not so “obsolete” models, which for money on Su -57 it would be much more rational to modernize than to build 7 squadrons that need new infrastructure than 8-6 years old.
              I am by no means opposed to the purchase of the Su-57, but then it would be worth focusing on it and cutting back on the number of purchased and repaired more "obsolete" types and finally getting rid of the old modifications of the MiG-29 and Su-27.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 21: 52 New
                +5
                Quote: Holgerton
                Moreover, with such a series, into which the Su-57 went, as many as 76 units. until 2027, if I’m not mistaken, we could be proud of those very 90s and zero,

                In those same 90s, the army did not receive money for years. And you say ...
                And about pride or not, so Call today another country, except the USA, which itself is building a series of fives with more than 76 units.
                1. Holgerton
                  Holgerton 16 June 2020 22: 53 New
                  +2
                  China itself is building fives, and not only at an accelerated pace, but it cannot be compared with China, the scales are not the same. Regarding the 90s, I already remember about the hungry years, but I meant pride about the 76 Su-57s built, in the 90s and even in the zero it would be a truly innovative and breakthrough aircraft, but at the moment it’s only " one of "and the news of launching it in a series is already somehow taken for granted, given how much it was transferred, then the joy of the event was sprayed for several years, instead of a couple of weeks.
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 17 June 2020 00: 29 New
                    +2
                    These 76 Su-57s are already the largest and most expensive fighter aircraft contract in Russian history.
              2. Alexey Ilyin
                Alexey Ilyin 27 June 2020 22: 31 New
                0
                By the way, the author was mistaken. Currently, the Israeli Air Force is armed with 20 F-35s, not 18. And in July another 4 F-35s should arrive. Moreover, 3 of them are drill-mounted, and one experimental, specially adapted for testing the compatibility of Israeli software with the staff. By the end of this year, 3 more combatant F-35s should be delivered. In total, by the end of this year, 26 of these machines will be in operation. Two full squadrons.
          2. Voyager
            Voyager 16 June 2020 21: 35 New
            +5
            There will be serial ones this year.
          3. Stalllker
            Stalllker 17 June 2020 00: 28 New
            -3
            One gets the impression that you yourself collected them, that everyone knows so thoroughly where and what is so ?! wassat
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 25 June 2020 01: 19 New
              -1
              No, I just know how to read news on the topic) bully
        2. kutuz
          kutuz 18 June 2020 21: 30 New
          0
          Little Israel, which has been waging a nichrome war all its life, doesn’t have enough water even in terms of resources, but there is money to buy 50 airplanes plus brains and resources to upgrade them, while the “great and powerful” one has a huge (compared to Israel) count - you don’t have enough brains in 20 years to bring to mind let there be 10 prototypes.
      2. lucul
        lucul 16 June 2020 21: 25 New
        -1
        Because of this, develop a new mega project?

        In fact :
        One of the main features of the F-35 aircraft is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems, determining their location and displaying it to the pilot of the aircraft. The data on the location of the radar and air defense systems are also transmitted to other combatants - both aviation and ground-based systems.

        He will only do what the MiG-31 has long been doing))))
        1. ugol2
          ugol2 16 June 2020 21: 50 New
          12
          And what does the MiG-31 do?
      3. Charik
        Charik 16 June 2020 22: 51 New
        -3
        Now, if Russia were pumping loot from the Jews it would be 50, but for now, on the contrary, so 3
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 17 June 2020 14: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Charik
          Now, if Russia pumped the loot of the Jews

          Russia does not need Jews.
          1. Charik
            Charik 17 June 2020 14: 49 New
            0
            And they are-
            is Russia they do not need
          2. muham
            muham 17 June 2020 20: 18 New
            0
            In, Mikhan are needed, but the Jews
            Quote: andreykolesov123
            Russia does not need Jews.
            . Here is how they could only convey it ...
      4. muham
        muham 16 June 2020 23: 06 New
        0
        Quote: kutuz
        “Another rusty pepelats” - in small Israel there are 50 of them, and in great Russia 3 and then not completed
        Import substitution, Jews and finally intellectuals - a suitcase station and that one, and instead of them - won Mikhan outcast, a natural result.
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 17 June 2020 14: 48 New
          0
          Quote: muham
          Meehan expels

          And why is he bad? Clever, intelligent, sober.
    5. Svetlana
      Svetlana 16 June 2020 21: 34 New
      +4
      Rusty pepelats for research do not steal.
  2. NIKN
    NIKN 16 June 2020 19: 27 New
    +1
    Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 16 June 2020 19: 28 New
      +1
      Well, then let’s not look too chic, but I don’t want to
    2. Cheldon
      Cheldon 16 June 2020 22: 34 New
      0
      Quote: NIKNN
      Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic

      Is someone forcing you? I'm sure that Russia is not someone from Gog or Magog.
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 22: 50 New
        -2
        Quote: Cheldon
        Quote: NIKNN
        Ripples I'm not a Zionist by nature. let Israel develop .. but to fight, well, something off-topic

        Is someone forcing you? I'm sure that Russia is not someone from Gog or Magog.

        These were the USSR, and the USA are now, but their time will soon come. wink
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 17 June 2020 11: 00 New
          +1
          Guys, don’t judge strictly ... I’ve got a guy crashed here in Samara My pilot ...
          https://news.mail.ru/incident/42172274/?frommail=1
          So yesterday it was still not buried adequately, but I love all of you and I shake my paw! We are not enemies, we simply cannot be enemies, we are servants of the state. Oh, who was in what.
      2. Charik
        Charik 16 June 2020 22: 54 New
        0
        Cheldon (Alex) -Why Cheldon (a man from the Don?)
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon 17 June 2020 05: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Charik
          Cheldon (Alex) -Why Cheldon (a man from the Don?)

          Yes hi
          1. Charik
            Charik 17 June 2020 14: 45 New
            0
            I have in Novovoronezh flows
      3. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 10: 34 New
        +1
        Yes, I said that there is no desire and the topic is not for cons supported. And what we’ve said, it’s a professional pilot who says ... Well, I ended my career on MiG 21 .. of course it's hard to compete with the F35 But aerobatics in maneuverability here the soul still speaks. :))
      4. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 11: 45 New
        +1
        Forgive me if I touched for the sick, honestly did not want to. But here. if in fact (well, it was long ago) Khakak in my opinion they had a mirage that was stolen ... But I had a chance to meet in Algeria .. No, not in the hostilities, but talked with the pilots and even had a chance to fly ... Like a fighter about nothing ... the sight is better .. as the plane is now accepted to the class of drums, but without covering it doesn’t mean anything ... Well, F-35 As well, I’m sorry if I didn’t please again .. not on purpose, I press the man’s paw! hi
        1. Alexey Ilyin
          Alexey Ilyin 27 June 2020 22: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          In my opinion, Khakak they had a mirage that was stolen ... But I had a chance to meet in Algeria .. No, not in the fighting, but talked with the pilots and even had a chance to fly ... Like a fighter about anything ... the sight is better .. as the plane is now accepted to the percussion class, but without cover it means nothing ..


          Did you mean Mirage 3? And who stole and from whom? I understood you correctly that Mirage 3 as a fighter was not? What are the grounds for such an opinion. The Soviet pilots then in Egypt even a saying arose: I saw the Mirage, do not turn into a bend. That is, in terms of maneuverability, it was superior to the MiG-21. In Mirage 3, the wing load was much less, and the speed was about the same. Moreover, I read the opinion of one former Soviet pilot who flew on the MiG-21, so from his words the MiG-21 had so little fuel that one could forget about supersonic flights. On the ground targets were aiming for the boot, and in the BVB, the brand of the cannon sight when overloaded 2,5, the same fell on the hood. R-3 rocket had approximately the same overload restrictions to capture the target. In general, the MiG-21 had big problems with maneuvering combat.
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 June 2020 19: 29 New
    -8
    50 cars, not very much for
    are the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 16 June 2020 19: 43 New
      +3
      When the question is one Papuans, it is very powerful
    2. Alexey Ilyin
      Alexey Ilyin 27 June 2020 22: 54 New
      0
      So in addition to these 50 F-35s, the Israeli Air Force also has about 200 F-16s and F-15s, not counting those stored.
  4. sav
    sav 16 June 2020 19: 33 New
    +4
    And for Israel, the F-35 is also produced in the States?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 16 June 2020 19: 39 New
      +6
      F35 are assembled in the USA and Italy. The remaining partners in the program are involved in the production of components.
      1. sav
        sav 16 June 2020 19: 48 New
        +5
        Understood thanks hi
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 16 June 2020 21: 16 New
      +6
      In addition to electronics, Israel itself produces almost all electronics.
      1. Maz
        Maz 17 June 2020 18: 23 New
        -6
        Quote: Grazdanin
        In addition to electronics, Israel itself produces almost all electronics.

        Who makes electronics? Israel? I haven’t been laughing like that for a long time. Maybe he collects it, yes, but hardly produces it.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 17 June 2020 18: 46 New
          +2
          Well, google before writing, otherwise he wrote as he pushed into a puddle.
          Israel’s military exports totaled $ 2017 billion in 9. Has the following structure:
          Satellites and space - 1%
          Systems for the Navy - 1%
          UAV - 2%
          Services and more - 3%
          Intelligence and information gathering systems, cyber defense equipment - 5%
          Observation systems and optoelectronics - 8%
          Weapons, military equipment for land forces, ammunition - 9%
          Communication systems - 9%
          Upgrading weapons and military equipment - 14%
          Radar and electronic warfare systems - 17%
          Missiles and missile defense systems - 31%
  5. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 16 June 2020 19: 33 New
    +3
    Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 June 2020 20: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.

      It turns out that 18 planes are not yet stuffed with Israel, since it remains to stir up everything on this plane ??
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 16 June 2020 21: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Here it is MS924. Still in the USA.

        It turns out that 18 planes are not yet stuffed with Israel, since it remains to stir up everything on this plane ??

        The first 25 will have to be upgraded subsequently.
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 16 June 2020 23: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          The first 25 will have to be upgraded subsequently.

          Israeli alterations of US aircraft (and not only), always improved their characteristics. So it was with the F-15 F-16, so it was with the Soviet MIG-21 from different countries. I am sure it will be so now, and Israeli planes will be more combat-ready than the same US counterparts.
          1. Gogia
            Gogia 17 June 2020 21: 36 New
            -1
            So our Indian Bison has long been acquired along with alterations. And they "shared" their experience and looked at the craftsmen - "immigrants from the USSR" or "repatriates" who greatly helped Israel in the issue of armaments. In general, it is correctly said here - making stealth is more difficult than making an electronic warfare or a powerful locator. Moreover, the EPR is small only from certain angles
            Here is an interesting little article.
            https://www.quora.com/Can-an-F-35-defeat-a-Su-57?redirected_qid=49124569
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 17 June 2020 22: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Gogia
              So our Indian Bison has long been acquired along with alterations. And experience "shared"

              It is unlikely that our specialists found something new for themselves in Mig-21 today, but if they got Lightning with Israeli bells and whistles, then Yes!
      2. Alexey Ilyin
        Alexey Ilyin 27 June 2020 23: 01 New
        0
        Not 18, but 20 now in Israel. It seems that they are already installing some separate Israeli systems, but not all. It will be necessary to upgrade 26 - the number of F-35s, which by the end of this year will be present in the Israeli Air Force.
    2. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 16 June 2020 23: 05 New
      0
      Aron, I am a weak user and do not always know how to "in the photo" but exp. the other side, all in the control white points of the fastener. (by O. Granovsky) And there the problem of cooling the elements at the output, like red, was solved there ...
  6. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 19: 39 New
    +1
    What is already being upgraded !!!?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 20: 09 New
      +3
      Israeli electronic warfare is needed to protect the F-35I Adir, since there is no great hope in feeding only a small ESR.
      The planes, the arrival of which is scheduled for 2020, will receive Israeli-built electronic warfare systems built into the hull and wings. Special fuel tanks will also be installed. In a year or two, the planes will receive the Israeli control system, control, communications and computers (C4 - command, control, communications and computers).

      Lockheed Martin does not give customers similar software codes for F-35 systems. To install its systems, Israel will receive special communication channels (API - Application Programming Interface) to the basic software of the aircraft.
      Already, there are systems capable of detecting stealth aircraft. Experts believe that in 15 years significant progress will be achieved in this area. Relying on low radar visibility will no longer be possible and then EW systems will help in the survival of the aircraft. It is these systems that are created for the F-35 by the joint efforts of Elbit Maarahot and IAI.

      https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/306091.html
  7. iouris
    iouris 16 June 2020 19: 40 New
    +6
    How is it that Israel, with 9 million people and without oil, is improving the electronics of the F-35I? Yes, this can not be! We have been fighting Rogozin for a long time, poor fellow, but it still doesn’t work out.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 19: 42 New
      +4
      Rogozin is in charge of Roscosmos, and not Roselectronics. So past the checkout counter.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 16 June 2020 20: 00 New
        +3
        laughing Looks like a sleep break through Rogozin.
      2. iouris
        iouris 16 June 2020 22: 52 New
        +5
        Your memory is short: what he just did not manage after arriving from Brussels. And electronics, but I remember. So what are the successes "with electronics", enlighten. If "with electronics" everything is fine, then you can not worry about space (Roskosmos) either.
    2. 5-9
      5-9 17 June 2020 13: 31 New
      -1
      Rogozin has no F-35. Also, a couple of countries with a population of more than 35 billion do not improve F-1 electronics.
      Also, the USA itself doesn’t improve electronics in F-35 in Yavrei .... LockheedMartin’s opinion with enthusiasm for such improvement is not given in the article.
      And all sorts of India also like to "improve" ... as in this case, it is not a fact that is a plus for technology.
  8. oldman.
    oldman. 16 June 2020 19: 42 New
    +2
    Data is collected and accumulated by antennas.

    Although I’m not a REOshnik, there is clearly something wrong with this phrase. Or I'm wrong?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 June 2020 20: 05 New
      +4
      I’m also the electronic engineer and the author of the article too. Data is collected and stored by the on-board computer, I think it sounds more logical. laughing Although who knows these Jews. Maybe they have muddied some cunning antenna. laughing
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 17 June 2020 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Captive
        I’m also the electronic engineer and the author of the article too. Data is collected and stored by the on-board computer, I think it sounds more logical. laughing Although who knows these Jews. Maybe they have muddied some cunning antenna. laughing

        I think that the author meant that the aircraft is equipped with various types of antennas for various types of radio emissions, from which information is received and processed by a central computer.
  9. Ugnetenni
    Ugnetenni 16 June 2020 19: 50 New
    +1
    Former Israeli Air Force commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu said the F-35 aircraft will provide Israeli aviation with new capabilities that will be especially effective in those regions where advanced anti-aircraft missile systems are deployed.

    Yes ... But why does the former advertise it all ..? Then everyone will write to him or is he like a “torpedo” or another advertising company? ..
    I love articles from Israel, full of optimism and militant spirit .. crying
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 16 June 2020 21: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Ugnetenni
      I love articles from Israel, full of optimism and militant spirit.

      I love articles from Syria (you have beguiled the country), full of optimism and a militant spirit.
  10. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 16 June 2020 20: 04 New
    +1
    20 F-35 Adir vehicles so far in the Israeli Air Force (19-20 arrived in November 2019) In July, four more will arrive (including the test board) No. 924, 933, 935, 937. 75 units have already been ordered. (a request was made to the third squadron of 25 units, which is the formal beginning of the contract) Two escorts were purchased. (50 units) an official buyer for the Israeli Air Force, the United States Defense Ministry, for American financial assistance. At the end of the year, three more will arrive, they are on the assembly. Photo tested. board number 924 already with Israeli systems delivered to the United States https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/417729.html#comments
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 20: 19 New
      -3
      Purchased two esc. (50 units) an official buyer for the Israeli Air Force, the United States Defense Ministry, for American financial assistance. At the end of the year, three more will arrive, they are on the assembly.

      Of course, they don’t look at the gifted horse in the mouth. But then the heavenly manna from heaven fell on Israel. The Germans build submarines for free to Israel. request fellow Miracles and only. How can all this be explained logically?
      1. Professor
        Professor 16 June 2020 20: 35 New
        14
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        How can all this be explained logically?

        Business and nothing more. Funds invested in Israel always pay off handsomely. On the other hand, funds invested in Arabs are like water in the sand.

        PS
        The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 20: 44 New
          -3
          Quote: Professor
          used it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.


          This fact is not proven.
          1. Professor
            Professor 16 June 2020 20: 50 New
            11
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: Professor
            used it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.


            This fact is not proven.

            Well yes. Someone bombed targets in Syria. Moreover, under the nose and at the S-300 and on the Iraqi border. The aircraft was not intercepted. Norkin announced the combat use of the Adirs. And yes. There is no evidence.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 20: 58 New
              -6
              Of course not. You would have at least taken an interest in the launch range of Delil, at the same time would have found out that it is Kruglyaya land, in general, and the launch range of SAM 46N6 for a low-flying target is not more than 50 km, with a tower if. And pride in flying over Syria is simply ridiculous. When Syrian is a focal defense. At the same time, the approximate detection range of the F-35 is for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km, which is less than the SDB reset range.
              1. borberd
                borberd 16 June 2020 21: 55 New
                +7
                Is pride in flying over Tehran good? And far, and the defense of air defense is not focal.
                http://newsader.com/54068-smi-radar-s-300-ne-smog-obnaruzhit-izrail/
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 21: 56 New
                  0
                  And there was no flight .... And so everything is fine ..... Nowhere else do they lie like fishing and war. (with.)
                  No one would have gone for such stupidity, if only for political reasons, even in Israel. Operation at such a depth should have a clear military objective
                  1. borberd
                    borberd 16 June 2020 21: 59 New
                    +9
                    Now they lie everywhere, and it is difficult to distinguish truth from lies. But the flight was most likely, a hint was delivered to the Iranians, the air defense commander resigned. The Iranians did not even refute this Old, although they usually justify themselves to the last.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 22: 02 New
                      -1
                      And the point of refuting something that was not there? Here was the operation Opera at a much shallower depth with a specific result
                      1. borberd
                        borberd 16 June 2020 22: 14 New
                        +7
                        A blow to pride, tried to hush up and not shy away. They usually behave this way when they mess up, which they know about, and try not to aggravate. The Israeli prime minister and the head of the General Staff in a veiled form hinted that there was. But rather a demonstration of opportunities - this was a concrete result.
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 22: 16 New
                        -2
                        No, 90 to 10 that this is fiction ...
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 17 June 2020 08: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              Moreover, the approximate detection range of the F-35, for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km

              Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, RIA Novosti reports.
              “The Syrian Armed Forces will be handed over a modern anti-aircraft missile system S-300 within two weeks. It is capable of intercepting air attack weapons at ranges greater than 250 kilometer and simultaneously hit multiple air targets, "he said.
              The S-300 will significantly strengthen the combat capabilities of the Syrian air defense. He also said that Russia will to suppress satellite navigation, airborne radar systems and communications of combat aircraft attacking targets in the country in the Mediterranean Sea adjacent to Syria.
              Now for the question.
              Who to trust the Minister of Defense or you?
            3. Professor
              Professor 17 June 2020 20: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              Of course not. You would have at least taken an interest in the launch range of Delil, at the same time would have found out that it is Kruglyaya land, in general, and the launch range of SAM 46N6 for a low-flying target is not more than 50 km, with a tower if

              How do I know about Delilah?
              https://topwar.ru/9341-vysokotochnaya-krylataya-raketa-delilah.html

              Quote: Cyril G ...
              And pride in flying over Syria is simply ridiculous. When Syrian is a focal defense. At the same time, the approximate detection range of the F-35 is for the S-300PM in the region of 60-90 km, which is less than the SDB reset range.

              Yes, yes. S-200, S-300, Shell and the rest of the list sucks and it’s stupid to be proud of overcoming all this. So?
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 20: 24 New
                -1
                No. Just don’t worry, Israeli planes certainly didn’t enter the affected and deployed S-300 and Pantsire divisions ... When the F-16 was in the S-200 affected area, even the Syrians could bring it down.
                By the way, I already wrote that in 1989, when the Soviet commission studied the state of affairs in Syria regarding the Air Force and Air Defense, it turned out that the Syrians did not even request a translation from the Russian IE and TO in LA and SAM.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 17 June 2020 20: 36 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  No. Just don’t worry, Israeli planes certainly didn’t enter the affected and deployed S-300 and Pantsire divisions ... When the F-16 was in the S-200 affected area, even the Syrians could bring it down.

                  That is, Galileo and Khmeinim in the zone of defeat of the Syrian air defense, but all of Syria is not? Nice. Is air defense just worth it if it can not only protect objects, but also protect itself?

                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  By the way, I already wrote that in 1989, when the Soviet commission studied the state of affairs in Syria regarding the Air Force and Air Defense, it turned out that the Syrians did not even request a translation from the Russian IE and TO in LA and SAM.

                  Yes Yes. And thousands of Soviet "advisers" in Syria only drank vodka, and Syrian cadets in Soviet military schools only smoked anasha.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 16 June 2020 21: 01 New
            +2
            Oleg, there’s an expression: "I didn’t post it, so it wasn’t." wink
          3. yfast
            yfast 16 June 2020 22: 10 New
            +1
            F-35 will fall in Syria, what will you do?
            1. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 16 June 2020 22: 48 New
              +3
              F-35 will fall in Syria, what will you do?

              1. They will cover with a missile strike urgently.
              2. Will be asked to return urgently hi
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 16 June 2020 21: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

        Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?
        1. Zeev
          Zeev zeev 17 June 2020 06: 32 New
          +4
          In Syria. Through a single air defense system, built by Russian specialists, through which "the fly will not fly."
        2. Professor
          Professor 17 June 2020 20: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Professor
          The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

          Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?

          1. APASUS
            APASUS 17 June 2020 20: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: Professor
            The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

            Excuse me, is this where Israel broke through enemy air defense?


            I don’t even know what to say. I understand Israel attacked the Russian Air Force base in Syria, and for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself. So you didn’t break anything
            1. Professor
              Professor 18 June 2020 20: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: APASUS
              .I understand Israel attacked Russian air force base in Syriaand for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself

              What?

              Quote: APASUS
              .So you didn’t break anything

              So they didn’t break through. They just bombed something on the territory of Syria dozens of times, and the Syrians simply saluted us with air defense systems.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 19 June 2020 08: 49 New
                -1
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: APASUS
                .I understand Israel attacked Russian air force base in Syriaand for everything else Netanyahu goes to Moscow as if to himself

                What?
                .

                Actually nothing, an ordinary contract. That's just for this
                They just bombed something in Syria dozens of times

                And at the expense of the salutes of the Syrian air defense, so there the Stone Age
                1. Professor
                  Professor 19 June 2020 15: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Actually nothing, an ordinary contract. That's just for this

                  Agreed with the Russian Federation, not the ATS or Iran.

                  Quote: APASUS
                  And at the expense of the salutes of the Syrian air defense, so there the Stone Age

                  Well yes. Beech, Shell, S-300 is a stone age. lol
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 19 June 2020 21: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Agreed with the Russian Federation, not the ATS or Iran.

                    That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125
                    Quote: Professor
                    Well yes. Beech, Shell, S-300 is a stone age.

                    The equipment is good, only the Syrian crews. I hope it is not necessary to show how one of the first Carapace was killed when the crew smoked on the street?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 19 June 2020 21: 38 New
                      +2
                      Quote: APASUS
                      That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                      That is, in the destroyed shells and beeches were your experts? Did they hurt?

                      Quote: APASUS
                      The equipment is good, only the Syrian crews. I hope it is not necessary to show how one of the first Carapace was killed when the crew smoked on the street?

                      There were those who shot back. The truth is not successful. However, the manufacturer claims a fully automatic mode when the system itself does everything. Syrians and what?
                    2. APASUS
                      APASUS 20 June 2020 22: 09 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      That is, in the destroyed shells and beeches were your experts? Did they hurt?

                      For what purpose are you interested in not being a scout from you? Something about the control of airspace heard, well, draw conclusions ..........
                      Quote: Professor

                      There were those who shot back. The truth is not successful. However, the manufacturer claims a fully automatic mode when the system itself does everything. Syrians and what?

                      I won’t say for everything, well, when the Syrian crew smokes nearby on the street, he certainly has nothing to do with it ............. you can’t argue
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 21 June 2020 18: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: APASUS
                      For what purpose are you interested in not being a scout from you? Something about the control of airspace heard, well, draw conclusions ..........

                      It turns out your specialists screwed up on the armor panels?

                      Quote: APASUS
                      I won’t say for everything, well, when the Syrian crew smokes nearby on the street, he certainly has nothing to do with it ............. you can’t argue

                      You claimed that
                      Quote: APASUS
                      That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                      Who then smoked near cars? Who was shooting back?
                    4. APASUS
                      APASUS 21 June 2020 20: 20 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      It turns out your specialists screwed up on the armor panels?

                      It doesn’t work, the Syrian crews screwed up. You must be able to use the transmitted information
              2. Molox
                Molox 19 June 2020 21: 48 New
                -1
                Quote: APASUS
                That's it, the backbone of the Syrian air defense is our specialists, the Syrians themselves can only use the S-125

                I agree . .! It is useless to argue with professor "the eternal colonel" ..He is here a monument! And before, I always ran in turtles here .. Remember the falcons? And he complained constantly)))))
                How many men on your account are framed in an eternal ban?
                We all remember ..
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 20: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    How can all this be explained logically?

    And you try
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The Germans build submarines for free to Israel. Miracles and more.

    Well, yes, a submarine for free is good, and the States are free for the latest MFIs about ... oh sorry, they give
  • Well
    Well done 16 June 2020 20: 06 New
    -3
    It is necessary for our specialized departments to analyze the Old) What is most likely already done. In general, the F-35 bothers me personally, but I'm a relatively sofa "expert") That would bring down a couple.
  • primaala
    primaala 16 June 2020 20: 25 New
    -17
    F-35 aircraft features is its ability to quickly classify signals from radars and air defense systems
    ==================
    "shorn" decided to scare)) fighters / defenders of the Russian Federation.
    funny))) Hey !!! You there!!! terrified \ "promised" !!! To begin with, buy diapers, for adults))
  • pardonov
    pardonov 16 June 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Welldone
    It is necessary for our specialized departments to analyze the Old) What is most likely already done. In general, the F-35 bothers me personally, but I'm a relatively sofa "expert") That would bring down a couple.

    What is done? By whom ? What kind of nonsense, look at the latest technology and Israeli start-ups, they have already bypassed Russia, not with weapons of the past, but new and competitively capable
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 21: 01 New
      -2
      Oops Israel builds fifth generation fighters on its own? Well, at least fighters in general? Or are KR flying several thousand kilometers?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 16 June 2020 22: 03 New
        10
        KR have 1500-2000 km will suit? Will the 11500 km ICBM descend? All electronics and weapons for the 5th generation of standards? 4 country in the world with a nuclear triad, so-so? Is the population of Israel 9 million not too many for such achievements?
        Start reading / watching at least something other than Zvezda TV channel, at least here. https://topwar.ru/143462-yadernyy-potencial-izrailya.html
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 22: 09 New
          -7
          Oh, what expression! Do you want to measure something? Does it make sense?
          All electronics and weapons for the 5th generation of standards?

          BortRLS you did not do .. The wrong level is corny.
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Is the population of Israel 9 million not too many for such achievements?

          When Israel is presented with a flotilla of the latest NAPLs and 50 fifth-generation MFIs normally ...
          Who would give us. laughing We have to do everything ourselves ...
          1. Oleg Olkha
            Oleg Olkha 16 June 2020 22: 51 New
            +9
            The level of ELTA Systems Ltd (IAI) is just that, but Lockheed does not sell bare gliders with an engine and control system, which would suit Israel, he needs profit. In 20 of those in service, the connection is immediately replaced, the friend or foe system, its software is built in, thanks to the open source architecture, it is possible that: - the machine goes off the assembly line “somewhat different” for Israel, according to inform. Lockheed In the experiment. the model already stands the Israeli electronic warfare system, instead of the original BAE. His main task is to integrate Israeli weapons and conformal tanks.
          2. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 16 June 2020 22: 59 New
            +5
            Which radar station in F35i did not find information in open sources. I think Israel will be able to put a modification for example a radar with AFAR EL / M-2052.
            For info ELTA Systems, the manufacturer of radar and a huge number of other "electronics", in 2014 earned $ 1,1 billion, about 90% of customers abroad.
            1. Oleg Olkha
              Oleg Olkha 17 June 2020 01: 01 New
              +2
              At its maximum, 10 kW. 180 kg variant, EL / M-2052 is 20% higher than that installed on the F-35 Northrop Grumman AN / APG-81 but who will give immediately, on the conveyor, someone else's in the future. And given the diameter of the nose F-35 and the number of possible additional active elements - and even more ...
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 17 June 2020 01: 32 New
                0
                What will replace the probability of 100%, the question is what exactly, we do not know all the parameters and what radar stations Israel has.
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 02: 37 New
                -5
                What are you speaking about. 2052 even the 77th Raptor station long ago discontinued at Dobn. not superior. Target with EPR = 1 sq.m. Ext. Elbit 220 km, Dobn. 77th station 201-242 km.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 17 June 2020 09: 07 New
                  +2
                  They convinced the electronics of Israel shit, the countries that buy weapons, equipment, technology, fools from them. They can’t do anything, there are at least 20 countries that do the same but better.))
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 09: 55 New
                    -5
                    Can you do without tantrums? As you will find in my posts that
                    Israeli electronics shit, countries that buy weapons, equipment, technology, fools from them.

                    Tell me, okay?
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 17 June 2020 10: 58 New
                      +2
                      What for? To know that Israel does not have its own Kyrgyz Republic? Or did the radar for the F22 AN / APG-77 of 2005 start operation, better than the multiplatform EL / M-2052 presented in the same 2005? For info, both radars have similar parameters.
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      Ext. Elbit 220 km, Dobn. 77th station 201-242 km.
                      even you confirm this, of the 77 that you wrote, the average value of Dobn is 221,5 km, “total superiority” over 2052, with its unfortunate 220 km. Only now 2052 is 2-3 times lighter than 77 and created as a multi-platform radar.
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      The wrong level is corny.
                      I agree with this, Israeli radar trite superior US radar
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 12: 09 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Israel radar trite superior US radar

                        Boasting.
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        "Total superiority" over 2052, with its unfortunate 220 km.

                        You're lying. I didn’t say that. And I talked about the comparability of the data currently offered for sale at Elbit Station 2052 and the 77th
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        To know that Israel does not have its own Kyrgyz Republic?

                        You're lying, again, I didn’t say that
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        EL / M-2052 presented in the same 2005? For info, both radars have similar parameters.

                        For info, I watched the latest data. The station is commercial, for sale. If cho.
                        Only now 2052 is 2-3 times lighter 77

                        Well, yes, the cooling system is conditionally not shown and not weighed. And she is there.
                      2. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 17 June 2020 12: 25 New
                        +3
                        Oh well
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        BortRLS you did not do .. The wrong level is corny.


                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        2052, even the 77th Raptor station long ago discontinued at Dobn. not superior.


                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Or are KR flying several thousand kilometers?
                      3. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 12: 29 New
                        -3
                        Do not bother ....
            2. stone
              stone 17 June 2020 09: 24 New
              +4
              Well, so 2052 is produced since 2005. And it is not known what characteristics and improvements this radar currently has. You are unlikely to be informed. laughing And then, for example, far from backward South Koreans use the services of Elta specifically for the radar of their created fighter. Https: //bmpd.livejournal.com/2730008.html
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 09: 53 New
                -5
                Let's not you come up with?
                2052 is exported, which means that its highest achievements will be officially announced.
                South Koreans are not equal to Israel in terms of the development of military equipment. Therefore, the choice of Elta is more than justified. Not everyone can sell or even give a brand new F-35 with minced meat.
                1. stone
                  stone 17 June 2020 10: 39 New
                  +3
                  Unlike you, I’m not making anything up and I am not categorically pouring numbers. To declare the highest achievements of military equipment is the Russian know-how of the Zvezda channel. wink
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 17 June 2020 12: 12 New
                    -3
                    It’s hard with you Jews, I tell you the numbers, but from you the emotions are continuous and inflation from the molehills.
                    Try essentially talking, maybe people will stretch.

                    Let's finish. I am not interested in such a dialogue. I’m not going to convince you of anything. Expressed his point of view and that's enough
                  2. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 17 June 2020 12: 53 New
                    +4
                    sure sure
                    Just go to the numbers instead
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    The wrong level is corny.
                    и
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    long discontinued
                    it turns out that we are comparing 2005 figures. When 77 began to be operated, and 2055 was presented. The characteristics are similar, only differences in mass at times and you immediately go into the gray zone of the cooling system.
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    KR flying several thousand kilometers?

                    Pop Turbo with its famous 1500-2000 km Range, however, like its foreign counterparts.
                    The rest is lies and populism too lazy to look.

                    In short, as always, you hide your incompetence with accusations, everything is clear with you
                    PS I am a citizen of Russia, I have nothing to do with the Jews, even closer to their national enemies by nationality)) You need to have at least a little objectivity and competence to soberly assess the situation. The technical development of the “western” world is totally superior to the world; Israel is at its forefront. He creates or can all types of weapons and equipment either at the level of the best or superior to the best. Such a situation now.
  • mvg
    mvg 17 June 2020 00: 54 New
    -7
    4 country in the world with a nuclear triad, so-so?

    wink You’re hard there, do not puff out your cheeks, rolls will tear. Tactical aviation (not confirmed about tactical nuclear weapons), and Dolphin diesel-electric submarines with a missile defense of 1500 km, are not a nuclear triad. Out of pride, this is Jerekhon 2/3 somewhere around 18 ICBMs and a dozen and a half ballistic missile defense (Jerekhon 2 is already old). Well, if it was still, Jerechon -1 range of 300-500 km
    1. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 17 June 2020 02: 33 New
      +6
      A colleague on this topic in Israel officer. an absolute taboo, and the numbers of the Swedish “peace fighters” from the SIPRI Institute, wandering year after year, have little to do with reality. (and on other issues, too) Here is the modest information from the "Association of American Nuclear Scientists", another thing, the more so because you can even meet with double amer specialists there. Israeli citizenship. Have a nice week ...
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 17 June 2020 08: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: mvg
      Tactical Aviation (not confirmed about TNW),

      Two squadrons + - 18+ F-15I Ra'am fighter-bombers (Thunder) - modification of the F-15E Strike Eagle for the Israeli Air Force with two nuclear-powered cruise missiles
      Quote: mvg
      DEPL Dolphin from KR to 1500 km are not a nuclear triad.

      .
      Range DEPL Dolphin more 10 000 kilometers, and for up to 50 days.
      1. According to an analysis of the world's leading military observers, Israel has a nuclear triad.
      2. Israel does not compare itself with the leading countries with nuclear weapons. And it has it to calm the aggressive neighbors, who many times without successfully wished to destroy it.
      3 Today, there are only two countries, this is Syria, which can ONLY dream and Iran, which is making maximum efforts for this. Therefore, there is nuclear fuel enough to calm him down. Well, if in the future someone else appears.
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 17 June 2020 09: 08 New
      +3
      Little country, little triad))
  • 5-9
    5-9 17 June 2020 13: 32 New
    -5
    Was such a powerful country discovered on the moons of Jupiter?
    Or just hutspa fountain beats over the edge?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 June 2020 21: 14 New
    +3
    The normal path of development of any technique, evolution, however.
  • Charik
    Charik 16 June 2020 22: 45 New
    0
    and in the photo it seems to be flying high and the chassis sticking out is the standard position? or I don’t understand, who knows?
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 16 June 2020 23: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Olkha
    Aron, I am a weak user and do not always know how to "in the photo" but exp. the other side, all in the control white points of the fastener. (by O. Granovsky) And there the problem of cooling the elements at the output, like red, was solved there ...

    Quite possible. So I was wrong with the photo. It happens. I also take information from the Internet.
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  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 17 June 2020 06: 42 New
    +2
    Recall also that the Israeli Air Force is the most powerful and combat-ready in the Middle East.

    take it wider
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 17 June 2020 09: 51 New
    -4
    The article is yet another squeeze of nonsense from the Internet, and the “couch experts” immediately started a competition about who better knows the search on the Internet.
    Why do you need all this?
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 17 June 2020 16: 28 New
    -2
    Yes, and let yourself fly, piece of iron horseradish ...
  • Maz
    Maz 17 June 2020 18: 41 New
    -3
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    How can all this be explained logically?

    Business and nothing more. Funds invested in Israel always pay off handsomely. On the other hand, funds invested in Arabs are like water in the sand.

    PS
    The author forgot to mention that Israel became the first operator of this aircraft to use it in combat conditions to break through enemy air defense.

    Israel is a foothold. A non-flying carrier, which direction do not fly a couple of hours fly and you are above the target in the zone of strategic interests of the United States. In the south of Saudi Arabia, in the east, Pakistan, India, China, in the west, Europe and oil Libya, in the north, Turks and Russia,. A marvelous point and American military bases on it. This is not a business professor, this is a lie and hypocrisy, vile, nasty and base. All the rest is just a flutter of air, which does not change the essence. I feel sorry for you. With all your missing American adirs, German submarines dolphin, Italian frigates. It’s just tinsel that does not change your slippery and lousy complexity in relation to non-Jews.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 18 June 2020 12: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Maz
      it’s a lie and hypocrisy, vile, nasty and base

      About hypocrisy is written by a person whom you can’t lure from Israel and whose daughter served in the IDF. Just like Soloviev, who denounces the West having real estate in the West. Well done Maz, you openly show the level of enemies of Israel.
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 18 June 2020 17: 46 New
        0
        Another nonsense. For some reason, the hamsters themselves come up with reality for themselves, and then they try to equalize all the others.
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        About hypocrisy is written by a person whom you can’t lure from Israel and whose daughter served in the IDF.

        Does this concern you?
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        Just like Soloviev, who denounces the West having real estate in the West.

        That is, the name real estate in the West can not say anything about him? What else can you think of? And what does hamsters mean to expose the west? To discuss what is transmitted by Western media?
        Oh my god, you’ll tear everyone apart for your west, I have never seen such idolatry. Sorry if the West accidentally hurt where.
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