In the United States, dissatisfied with the sentence imposed on the American spy in Russia

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How can Russia be invited to the G16 if they sentenced a US citizen to 15 years in prison. The Moscow City Court “dared” to do this, on June XNUMX, recognizing former US Marine Paul Whelan as guilty of espionage.

This opinion is expressed by the Wall Street Journal.

The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

If you judge, then there are enough reasons for the arrest and conviction of the American without any policy. Russian law enforcement officers took him in the act, finding him a flash card with classified information. According to Whelan, he came to Russia for a wedding and did not know anything about the data recorded on the "flash drive" representing state secrets.

WSJ claims that the court made a decision by order from above, since in Russia the judicial system operates at the direction of the authorities and is not independent.

In the United States, they are convinced that Russian law enforcement officers did not have sufficient grounds for the arrest of an American citizen. The publication calls Russia a rogue country, which has no place among other civilized countries included in the GXNUMX, and compares it with Iran, North Korea and Venezuela. It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.
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    1. +3
      16 June 2020 15: 57
      Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.
      1. +3
        16 June 2020 15: 59
        Quote: iouris
        Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

        For whom do you offer to exchange?
        1. +35
          16 June 2020 16: 03
          The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

          Theater around the world arranges the United States, stealing people from third countries, first return Bout, and then we'll talk.
          1. avg
            +47
            16 June 2020 16: 14
            Quote: figvam
            The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

            Let the penguin sit. In six months it will be learned to clearly name the article, another six months will go to the "citizen chief", and in one and a half the USA will be called "the theater of the absurd."
            1. +17
              16 June 2020 18: 28
              Quote: ANIMAL

              For whom do you offer to exchange?

              In the US, Russians are constantly being arrested.
              Maria Butina, Dmitry Karpenko, Alexei Krutilin - these are the most famous.
              And the "deal" is standard - admit that you are spies, serve half a year and deported to Russia. But if you don’t admit it, you’ll sit for 25 years. Therefore, they confess, even if they are not guilty of anything.
              So for 16 years a spy on whom reinforced concrete evidence is VERY soft.
            2. 0
              17 June 2020 11: 27
              (Let the penguin sit) Of course let. only now he will sit, a maximum of four years. and then the sun-faced Putin will show mercy and let his countryman go hi
          2. 0
            17 June 2020 10: 07
            return Bout first, and then we'll talk.
            Well, that’s the answer.
          3. -2
            17 June 2020 11: 06
            return Bout first, and then we'll talk ........ tochnyak, Viti has brilliant organizational skills. and you just read PMC Wagner here and there, and then PMC Booth will appear, along the way they will be more aggressive
        2. +7
          16 June 2020 17: 32
          Alexey hi , there is always someone to exchange for, in this "business" there were no saints born, in any country, and ours is no exception.
          I remember how much the Western press raised when they exchanged Rudolf Abel for Grevel Wine. Almost literally from the "theirs" press: "We exchanged a red Shark for a British sprat!"
          1. +5
            16 June 2020 18: 07
            Kostya, hello! drinks
            What about Mr. Grevel Vin? Rudolf Ivanovich Abel (real name William Genrichovich Fischer), it seems, was exchanged for Francis Powers and Frederick Pryor.
            1. +4
              16 June 2020 18: 10
              Lyosha, hello! drinks
              Vin was connected with Penkovsky. Powers was exchanged for someone, I remember, but I don’t remember completely the hu from Frederick Prior.
              1. +4
                16 June 2020 18: 19
                hu from Frederick Prior

                The student spy whom Powers gave to the load, I insist, in exchange for Abel. I, in turn, about Vin (not to be confused with a drink)))) I hear for the first time.
                1. +2
                  16 June 2020 18: 26
                  Reread the story with GRU Colonel Penkovsky, who worked long and hard for British intelligence. I don’t argue about the exchange, perhaps Wine was exchanged for Conan the Young, but the newspapers wrote about "shark and sprat". laughing
                  1. +4
                    16 June 2020 18: 29
                    I'd better come to visit - tell me. "Moth" would be exchanged for some "whale". laughing
                    1. +2
                      16 June 2020 18: 40
                      - tell me

                      Ha, if I remembered everything thoroughly when it was ... smile
                      Hello from Anton, I wrote to you in PM. drinks
                      1. +4
                        16 June 2020 18: 41
                        Ha, if I remembered everything thoroughly when it was ...

                        Let's "deeply delve" into a couple of capacious "documents", solely for stimulating memory. drinks

                        Hello to you from Anton

                        Very mutual! drinks
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                  2. +1
                    17 June 2020 12: 12
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    Reread the story of GRU Colonel Penkovsky, who worked long and hard for British intelligence.

                    There was no long and hard work, this is a myth, because he was quickly tied. And in general, if you carefully study how everything happened, then you unwittingly believe Serov, who stated that Penkovsky was a decoy of the KGB, and his arrest and trial was carried out specifically to remove Serov from his post, because the then leaders of the CPSU did not forgive him much. As people who served in the GRU and knew the Penkovsky case later said, this was a typical setup. By the way, the most unsurpassed American spy in the GRU is considered to be Polyakov, and interestingly, at that time he already worked for the Americans, but they couldn’t expose him for many years. So the Penkovsky case from this point of view raises great doubts.
                    and hu from Frederic Pryor I do not remember at all.

                    As a man, he did not represent anything except for the fact that he was the nephew of a Washington bump, like a vice president or a senior employee of the American administration. And they took him to the GDR specially on the tip of our KGB - this was one of the links in the operation to free Abel.
            2. -1
              16 June 2020 19: 25
              Why did Google refuse?
            3. +2
              16 June 2020 19: 32
              Quote: lexus
              What about Mr. Grevel Vin?
              On May 7, 1963, Penkovsky and Wynn appeared before the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. The British intelligence case was filmed on camera and even selectively broadcast on television. On May 11, 1963, the court passed a sentence according to which Penkovsky was sentenced to capital punishment - the death penalty by shooting, and Wynn - to eight years in prison.
        3. -2
          16 June 2020 17: 40
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Quote: iouris
          Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

          For whom do you offer to exchange?

          Yes, full of whom, for arrested police for example. Its few, representatives of power.)
        4. +1
          16 June 2020 19: 20
          Quote: ANIMAL
          For whom do you offer to exchange?

          For everyone.
        5. +4
          16 June 2020 23: 14
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Quote: iouris
          Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

          For whom do you offer to exchange?

          On bill gates laughing
          1. +2
            17 June 2020 07: 22
            Together with the money, I hope? Although ... it is possible without Bill fellow
        6. +2
          17 June 2020 07: 14
          To Alaska. What do you think will work? Personally, I would "wave without looking" lol
      2. -3
        16 June 2020 16: 49
        Quote: iouris
        Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

        Maybe they will exchange it for Buta, Yaroshenko or someone else, or maybe not - he will serve 1/3 of the term and will be pardoned, like a Jewess who has fallen into drugs. And our citizens will be served in full.
        1. +7
          16 June 2020 17: 52
          The pardon is carried out by the President, regardless of the time served.
          And parole after serving 1/3 of the term is possible only under articles of small and medium gravity.
          This is a particularly serious crime, parole is possible after serving 2/3 of the term. So he will have to sit a dozen.
          The decision on parole is made by the local court where the colony is located.
          1. +2
            16 June 2020 18: 02
            Quote: kit88
            The pardon is carried out by the President, regardless of the time served.
            And parole after serving 1/3 of the term is possible only under articles of small and medium gravity.
            This is a particularly serious crime, parole is possible after serving 2/3 of the term. So he will have to sit a dozen.
            The decision on parole is made by the local court where the colony is located.

            So I didn’t write about parole, and the pardon of a Jewess left an unpleasant aftertaste, while at the same time Israel didn’t even think of offering to exchange her for a Russian citizen, whom, at the request of the United States, they sent without a twinge of conscience either to France or directly in USA.
            1. +7
              16 June 2020 18: 11
              Something I doubt that in exchange for a pardon, the GDP did not bargain a bunch of buns from the Israelis.
              1. +2
                16 June 2020 18: 39
                Quote: kit88
                Something I doubt that in exchange for a pardon, the GDP did not bargain a bunch of buns from the Israelis.

                The best "bun" for a drug addict, I would consider the release of our citizen, but this just did not happen. Everything else is from the field of theory that on this we have bargained for ourselves there.
                1. +8
                  16 June 2020 18: 49
                  Well, if you judge.
                  We have thousands of such drug addicts in prisons. And all the citizens of the Russian Federation. In theory, the President’s soul should hurt about its citizens. However, he pardons exactly the citizen of Israel, whom he should not care about from the high bell tower. Why's that?
                  Why would he release her? Another thing if for this ....
        2. 0
          16 June 2020 18: 21
          Quote: credo
          Quote: iouris
          Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

          Maybe they will exchange it for Buta, Yaroshenko or someone else, or maybe not - he will serve 1/3 of the term and will be pardoned, like a Jewess who has fallen into drugs.

          To do this, he needs to change gender, nationality, religion and confess to drug possession :))
          And at the wedding, he went to his or invited ... toastmaster ... a witness?
        3. 0
          16 June 2020 23: 49
          Israel lacked Russian citizens across the planet
      3. +1
        16 June 2020 16: 53
        "Pyzhika" he should have been given without the right to amnesty!
    2. +11
      16 June 2020 15: 59
      and so little was given to him?
    3. +15
      16 June 2020 16: 00
      He even cut out a hernia in a pre-trial detention center. Fiends! Probably without anesthesia.
      ))
    4. +10
      16 June 2020 16: 00
      Yes, even if they threw a flash drive, then such prisoners are necessary for the exchange. And then in the United States completely beguiled the coast.
      1. +9
        16 June 2020 16: 46
        I support! Russians are sitting there in batches, and "grubbers" endlessly extradite our fellow citizens to the USA. We must pay back with the same coin!
    5. +10
      16 June 2020 16: 01
      A flash card .. a lined letter, a microfilm in a heel ... some kind of surrealism from the last century .. And as for civilian dissatisfaction - it’s a pity that there was only one .. it was necessary to close a couple more .. and make a misunderstanding person ..
      1. +12
        16 June 2020 16: 10
        Quote: Dikson
        Flash card .. lined letter, microfilm in heel ...

        ... British spy stone ...
        And a bunch of "non-polite" journalists, activists and others who have not apologized to Mamontov for the persecution ...

        Now they will again promote the topic "well, who uses a flash drive when there is Internet." Moreover, this will be done by the same people who denied the existence of a stone.
      2. +9
        16 June 2020 16: 10
        When an American diplomat was detained in Moscow a couple of years ago during a media transfer, there was also talk of surrealism from the last century. They filmed the moment of bookmarking the information and its fence, but still the Americans did not confess.
        1. +1
          16 June 2020 23: 18
          Quote: rotfuks
          When an American diplomat was detained in Moscow a couple of years ago during a media transfer, there was also talk of surrealism from the last century. They filmed the moment of bookmarking the information and its fence, but still the Americans did not confess.

          Maybe he moonlighted as amphetamine bookmarks? )))
      3. +1
        16 June 2020 18: 22
        Quote: Dikson
        A flash card .. a lined letter, a microfilm in a heel ... some kind of surrealism from the last century .. And as for civilian dissatisfaction - it’s a pity that there was only one .. it was necessary to close a couple more .. and make a misunderstanding person ..

        There was also a wig that was awkward ... or I'm confusing it with a previous spy.
    6. +11
      16 June 2020 16: 03
      sentenced a US citizen to 16 years in prison.
      They realized it, but the arrests of Vadim Mikerin, Evgeny Buryakov, Dmitry Karpenko, Alexei Krutilin, Maria Butina and others ... remained unanswered!
      1. 0
        16 June 2020 16: 29
        At the expense of the latter you screw got excited, because nefig !!!!!
        1. +1
          16 June 2020 17: 07
          This Butina diligently searched for a soft spot.
          In 2010, Butina, who from childhood loved guns and herself shot excellently, became the founder of the public organization “The Right to Arms”. The stated objectives of the organization are the mitigation of legislation in the field of carrying firearms. The organization held a series of public events and congresses, in which up to 100 activists of the legalization of arms trafficking of various political views took part - from communists to nationalists and anarchists. Among the members of the movement was the only politician on a federal scale, Senator Torshin, who provided financial and informational support to the movement. In 2012, the American magazine New Republik published a report on the shooting, organized by the activists of "Rights to Arms", which brought Butina international fame for the first time. In the period 2012-2016, Butina made contacts and received delegations from the US National Rifle Association in Russia, and she repeatedly traveled to the United States. In April 2018, when Butina already lived in the United States, the Right to Arms organization was excluded from the unified state register of legal entities, but continues to operate as a public organization. Butina was mentioned as a co-author of the expert report “On the issue of reforming Russian arms legislation”, prepared under the leadership of Senator Torshin in 2012 [5] [6] [10].

          In 2013-2014, Butina visited Slovakia and the Czech Republic, where she met with national organizations of supporters of the legalization of arms trafficking [9].
          Well and further: on October 25, 2019, Maria was released and a day later returned to Moscow. In the capital, a Russian woman was met by a delegation of the Russian Foreign Ministry and people who were not indifferent to her fate. From the capital of Butina I went to my native Barnaul.
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 09: 35
            Butina is a member of the public chamber today?
            1. 0
              17 June 2020 09: 38
              To be honest, I don’t know. But in principle, I won’t be surprised at anything. Dad is not poor, his former lover is not a beggar.
      2. +2
        16 June 2020 16: 44
        Let this one sit, even for half a period.
        And for the exchange, you can also have five more - another gather.
    7. +5
      16 June 2020 16: 03
      Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?
      1. 0
        16 June 2020 16: 15
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?

        Until the death penalty for treason is introduced, such spies will feel at home .... For 16 years, of course, it is unlikely that they will sit or buy or exchange (they will arrest some deputy’s son abroad and EVERYTHING)
        1. +8
          16 June 2020 16: 22
          For articles such as treason to the motherland, pedophilia, terrorism and theft in especially large sizes, it is high time to return the death penalty .. Today, information slipped that the USA lifted the moratorium on executions and federal sentences will be carried out ..
          1. 0
            16 June 2020 17: 28
            Quote: Dikson
            Today, information slipped that the USA lifted a moratorium on executions and federal sentences will be carried out ..

            Well, all of us are playing "democracy" .. Places would be freed for economic criminals .. hi
          2. 0
            17 June 2020 09: 37
            It is high time! But who will allow them! Saw the branch beneath you.
      2. +2
        16 June 2020 20: 03
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?

        For traitors, the death penalty should be abolished, but as for the spies, then I think you got excited because to deprive yourself of the trump cards in negotiations and "squander" the exchange fund as something not like a boss. Our citizens, too, somehow need to be removed from the American kichi winked
    8. +7
      16 June 2020 16: 06
      When the Americans arrested Viktor Bout or the pilot Doroshenko, then no one thought about reverse measures? Or someone who enrolled himself in the country of the untouchables?
      1. +8
        16 June 2020 16: 10
        Quote: rotfuks
        Or someone who enrolled himself in the country of the untouchables?


        They still think so ...
    9. ZVS
      +16
      16 June 2020 16: 09
      The United States let them put their discontent into their anus.
    10. +2
      16 June 2020 16: 09
      It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.


      Can exchange with ours there, according to the scheme - all on all ...
    11. +1
      16 June 2020 16: 16
      Is it better to send it under sunny Magadan?
      1. 0
        17 June 2020 02: 08
        In my opinion, in the Magadan region there was no strict regime prison. If only for local, general regime and colony settlements.
        1. 0
          17 June 2020 16: 13
          Quote: Sergej1972
          In my opinion, in the Magadan region there was no strict regime prison. If only for local, general regime and colony settlements.


          Him and this hell seems.
    12. -6
      16 June 2020 16: 24
      How was he able to be imprisoned before the amendments were adopted, right now through the "international norms" that they dictate to us from there and they will release him !?
    13. +3
      16 June 2020 16: 40
      The Americans also have "exceptional" spies. Usually, engaging in espionage means that a person is ready to be arrested, taken into custody, to serve a sentence and even ... to death. And here some kind of "J. Bond" is not real, although, simply, he did not manage to mow "like a fool". Today it has become fashionable to shield those who have committed crimes. Even murder, completely drunk, they manage to expose as a "mitigating circumstance". And then a man came with "good" intentions - to the wedding, and his time to jail. Sober, not an addict. And the artist is really wonderful, no match for the others. A win-win. If I hadn't been caught, I would have passed on classified information to the "center". If caught, the "central" press steps in and in this case the Russians will not seem a little, they will blame everything. It will be interesting to see who will whitewash him from the Russian side ...
      1. -5
        16 June 2020 16: 46
        No, from our side they will not whitewash him, you don’t know, right now we’ll accept the amendments and all the bad things will disappear in the morning! Before that, it was just tight without them ..
    14. +5
      16 June 2020 16: 46
      In the USA, they are convinced that Russian law enforcement officers did not have sufficient grounds for the arrest of an American citizen.

      The FSA had no reason to arrest our Bout, it didn’t stop them, our girls, I don’t remember the name, and many others. How many of our compatriots were stolen and taken out on far-fetched and sucked-up charges, not even for the crimes themselves, but their possibilities, their shadows.
      Ping has the largest number of inmates in prisons and "miscarriages of justice" often surface.
      This is not a democracy country, it is a democracy !! am
    15. +1
      16 June 2020 16: 48
      And when the states abduct Russian citizens in neutral countries and arrange demonstrative court reprisals on their territory, (Bout, Yaroshenko, etc.), is that nothing? Well, yes, they forgot they can do everything exceptional.
    16. +2
      16 June 2020 16: 52
      It is necessary to catch the necessary number (and how many Russian citizens are sitting there ?!) of US citizens and slap them in for alleged charges of child molestation. Let's see how they will respond.
      1. +2
        16 June 2020 17: 15
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        It is necessary to catch the required number (and how many Russian citizens are sitting there ?!) of US citizens and slap them in on charges of, for example, child molestation.

        This is too clumsy for the special services - they don’t do that, and they don’t like pedophiles in the USA either, so don’t be deceived. The most important thing in the held trial is that it became a litmus test for all professional US intelligence officers, who immediately realized that Trump would not pull them out of our prisons, and this greatly affects the work of the residency. That is why now in my opinion it is important to put an ultimatum to the Americans about our people serving sentences in US prisons, and only then start a bargain. Although for prevention I believe that it is useful to exchange it no sooner than he leaves for several years in Mordovian camps - they are known in the West for having foreigners there.
        1. 0
          16 June 2020 17: 26
          Quote: ccsr
          they don’t do that, and they don’t like pedophiles in the USA either, so don’t be deceived.


          No matter what they don’t do, the main thing is to put presumptuous freaks in place
        2. 0
          17 June 2020 02: 10
          Out of habit they are called camps. And so, ordinary ITK.
    17. 0
      16 June 2020 17: 01
      If, in the opinion of American journalists, Russia does not have a place among civilized countries, then to which place do the USA belong, where so far the poor and unfortunate niggas are officially killed on the streets without trial or investigation? Why continue the genocide of Afro-citizens? Nigga lives matter! That's the answer!
    18. 0
      16 June 2020 17: 24
      How can Russia be invited to the G16 if they sentenced a US citizen to 15 years in prison. The Moscow City Court “dared” to do this, on June XNUMX, recognizing former US Marine Paul Whelan as guilty of espionage.

      Yes, what is the seven? And so big there ... USA and six subjects. What is Russia to do there?
    19. 0
      16 June 2020 17: 39
      They will piss you off, but you are not a thief r spy !!!
      Everything according to the plot of the genre.
      What's next ...
      .
    20. +2
      16 June 2020 17: 43
      The fact that an American (at the same time a citizen of other states) received a real term is excellent.
      But there are some bad points from my point of view:
      1. Not enough. Not enough. A quarter would be just right.
      2. Not enough. They planted only one .... A dozen would have been much better. Of course, I understand that to identify this character of the FSB, more than one pair of shoes stopped, but still I would like for the numbers of Americans sent for imprisonment to be fatter. And I'm not greedy ... it’s not necessary to plant for espionage, there are a lot of articles in the Criminal Code !!!
      1. +4
        16 June 2020 17: 59
        And for this, FSBeshnikam- thank you. What really ..
    21. +3
      16 June 2020 17: 44
      America "did not understand" Russian words. Long ago she was told (indicated) that it is contraindicated to steal, judge and imprison Russian citizens! And they even have a stake on their heads! Now let them get used to "mutual services", damn "hegemons"!
    22. +1
      16 June 2020 17: 57
      Nothing ... Sit. Will think. With a crook you just have to fight! Will come out by another person.
    23. 0
      16 June 2020 18: 00
      According to Whelan, he came to Russia for a wedding and did not know anything about the data recorded on the "flash drive" representing state secrets.
      Yes, not all cats are Pancake week. angry I agree with Starikov, exchange for Buta and all the abducted US. Here are just our tops .... No.
    24. 0
      16 June 2020 18: 02
      Americans are, by definition, all innocent)
    25. +1
      16 June 2020 18: 09
      Put him in jail, but let him not spy. I remembered how Papanov said about his son-in-law in "Beware of the car"
      1. 0
        17 June 2020 11: 28
        A. Papanov - to Paul Whelan: "I will help you, but you - don't steal!" (Shpien's secrets)
    26. +1
      16 June 2020 18: 14
      Nicely. We love the USA so much.
      1. 0
        17 June 2020 11: 46
        Is there anything to love them for?
    27. +1
      16 June 2020 18: 54
      Buta and Yaroshenko let them give, for this Russophobic mattress.
    28. 0
      16 June 2020 19: 02
      These US services hit the bottom.

      What, they can’t transfer the Old, through an anonymous there is no computer, but you need to send an agent to get a USB flash drive?!? 21 century in the yard .... wassat
      1. +1
        16 June 2020 21: 30
        They probably could ... But what if the source agreed to give information only on a USB flash drive? For example: "Here is a product (flash with data), give us money !!!". And the motive of the "seller" is iron: "... I will send the information, and then you will show me the cookie ....", and so - the goods against money ...
      2. 0
        17 June 2020 11: 47
        Exactly where there are striped to the Bulgarians, the Bulgarians are the first in information technology.
    29. -1
      16 June 2020 19: 28
      We exchange one Americanos for two of ours. No bargaining. We must take this as a permanent action ...
    30. 0
      16 June 2020 19: 43
      Americans are already guilty of the fact of their appearance ...
    31. +1
      16 June 2020 21: 34
      "... The accused called his verdict 'political theater' ...."
      Yeah ... with the accused in the lead role ... And what is he dissatisfied with in this case? Not involved in the crowd, but in the first place .... Again, Entime Amerikans did not please !!!
    32. Hog
      0
      16 June 2020 22: 42
      "Innocent" American.

      Lol)))
      not a place among other civilized countries

      Well, it depends on what civilization means, the level of development of mankind or the level of curvature under the states.
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    34. 0
      17 June 2020 07: 39
      Catch fish big and small
    35. +2
      17 June 2020 08: 29
      Well, if you took it in the act, the Yankees can only close their bakery and stop carrying nonsense !!!
    36. 0
      17 June 2020 10: 32
      It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.

      And the Australian and other American citizens can be imprisoned.
      More than 400000 Australians have signed a petition to bring Asange back home.
    37. 0
      18 June 2020 08: 50
      Well, a lot of people are not satisfied with what!
    38. +1
      18 June 2020 10: 49
      Not enough, however, given!

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