In the United States, dissatisfied with the sentence imposed on the American spy in Russia

How can Russia be invited to the G16 if they sentenced a US citizen to 15 years in prison. The Moscow City Court “dared” to do this, on June XNUMX, recognizing former US Marine Paul Whelan as guilty of espionage.

This opinion is expressed by the Wall Street Journal.

The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

If you judge, then there are enough reasons for the arrest and conviction of the American without any policy. Russian law enforcement officers took him in the act, finding him a flash card with classified information. According to Whelan, he came to Russia for a wedding and did not know anything about the data recorded on the "flash drive" representing state secrets.

WSJ claims that the court made a decision by order from above, since in Russia the judicial system operates at the direction of the authorities and is not independent.

In the United States, they are convinced that Russian law enforcement officers did not have sufficient grounds for the arrest of an American citizen. The publication calls Russia a rogue country, which has no place among other civilized countries included in the GXNUMX, and compares it with Iran, North Korea and Venezuela. It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.

Comments

[iouris]

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

[WILL]

Quote: iouris

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

For whom do you offer to exchange?

[figwam]

The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

Theater around the world arranges the United States, stealing people from third countries, first return Bout, and then we'll talk.

[avg]

Quote: figvam

The defendant called his sentence "political theater."

Let the penguin sit. In six months it will be learned to clearly name the article, another six months will go to the "citizen chief", and in one and a half the USA will be called "the theater of the absurd."

[Shurik70]

Quote: ANIMAL

For whom do you offer to exchange?

In the US, Russians are constantly being arrested.
Maria Butina, Dmitry Karpenko, Alexei Krutilin - these are the most famous.
And the "deal" is standard - admit that you are spies, serve half a year and deported to Russia. But if you don’t admit it, you’ll sit for 25 years. Therefore, they confess, even if they are not guilty of anything.
So for 16 years a spy on whom reinforced concrete evidence is VERY soft.

[Far East]

(Let the penguin sit) Of course let. only now he will sit, a maximum of four years. and then the sun-faced Putin will show mercy and let his countryman go

[mikula]

return Bout first, and then we'll talk.
Well, that’s the answer.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

return Bout first, and then we'll talk ........ tochnyak, Viti has brilliant organizational skills. and you just read PMC Wagner here and there, and then PMC Booth will appear, along the way they will be more aggressive

[Catfish]

Alexey , there is always someone to exchange for, in this "business" there were no saints born, in any country, and ours is no exception.
I remember how much the Western press raised when they exchanged Rudolf Abel for Grevel Wine. Almost literally from the "theirs" press: "We exchanged a red Shark for a British sprat!"

[Lexus]

Kostya, hello!
What about Mr. Grevel Vin? Rudolf Ivanovich Abel (real name William Genrichovich Fischer), it seems, was exchanged for Francis Powers and Frederick Pryor.

[Catfish]

Lyosha, hello!
Vin was connected with Penkovsky. Powers was exchanged for someone, I remember, but I don’t remember completely the hu from Frederick Prior.

[Lexus]

hu from Frederick Prior

The student spy whom Powers gave to the load, I insist, in exchange for Abel. I, in turn, about Vin (not to be confused with a drink)))) I hear for the first time.

[Catfish]

Reread the story with GRU Colonel Penkovsky, who worked long and hard for British intelligence. I don’t argue about the exchange, perhaps Wine was exchanged for Conan the Young, but the newspapers wrote about "shark and sprat".

[Lexus]

I'd better come to visit - tell me. "Moth" would be exchanged for some "whale".

[Catfish]

- tell me

Ha, if I remembered everything thoroughly when it was ...
Hello from Anton, I wrote to you in PM.

[Lexus]

Ha, if I remembered everything thoroughly when it was ...

Let's "deeply delve" into a couple of capacious "documents", solely for stimulating memory.

Hello to you from Anton

Very mutual!

[ccsr]

Quote: Sea Cat

Reread the story of GRU Colonel Penkovsky, who worked long and hard for British intelligence.

There was no long and hard work, this is a myth, because he was quickly tied. And in general, if you carefully study how everything happened, then you unwittingly believe Serov, who stated that Penkovsky was a decoy of the KGB, and his arrest and trial was carried out specifically to remove Serov from his post, because the then leaders of the CPSU did not forgive him much. As people who served in the GRU and knew the Penkovsky case later said, this was a typical setup. By the way, the most unsurpassed American spy in the GRU is considered to be Polyakov, and interestingly, at that time he already worked for the Americans, but they couldn’t expose him for many years. So the Penkovsky case from this point of view raises great doubts.

and hu from Frederic Pryor I do not remember at all.

As a man, he did not represent anything except for the fact that he was the nephew of a Washington bump, like a vice president or a senior employee of the American administration. And they took him to the GDR specially on the tip of our KGB - this was one of the links in the operation to free Abel.

[iouris]

Why did Google refuse?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lexus

What about Mr. Grevel Vin?

On May 7, 1963, Penkovsky and Wynn appeared before the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. The British intelligence case was filmed on camera and even selectively broadcast on television. On May 11, 1963, the court passed a sentence according to which Penkovsky was sentenced to capital punishment - the death penalty by shooting, and Wynn - to eight years in prison.

[Civil]

Quote: ANIMAL

Quote: iouris

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

For whom do you offer to exchange?

Yes, full of whom, for arrested police for example. Its few, representatives of power.)

[iouris]

Quote: ANIMAL

For whom do you offer to exchange?

For everyone.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ANIMAL

Quote: iouris

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

For whom do you offer to exchange?

On bill gates

[Dreama]

Together with the money, I hope? Although ... it is possible without Bill

[Dreama]

To Alaska. What do you think will work? Personally, I would "wave without looking"

[credo]

Quote: iouris

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

Maybe they will exchange it for Buta, Yaroshenko or someone else, or maybe not - he will serve 1/3 of the term and will be pardoned, like a Jewess who has fallen into drugs. And our citizens will be served in full.

[kit88]

The pardon is carried out by the President, regardless of the time served.
And parole after serving 1/3 of the term is possible only under articles of small and medium gravity.
This is a particularly serious crime, parole is possible after serving 2/3 of the term. So he will have to sit a dozen.
The decision on parole is made by the local court where the colony is located.

[credo]

Quote: kit88

The pardon is carried out by the President, regardless of the time served.
And parole after serving 1/3 of the term is possible only under articles of small and medium gravity.
This is a particularly serious crime, parole is possible after serving 2/3 of the term. So he will have to sit a dozen.
The decision on parole is made by the local court where the colony is located.

So I didn’t write about parole, and the pardon of a Jewess left an unpleasant aftertaste, while at the same time Israel didn’t even think of offering to exchange her for a Russian citizen, whom, at the request of the United States, they sent without a twinge of conscience either to France or directly in USA.

[kit88]

Something I doubt that in exchange for a pardon, the GDP did not bargain a bunch of buns from the Israelis.

[credo]

Quote: kit88

Something I doubt that in exchange for a pardon, the GDP did not bargain a bunch of buns from the Israelis.

The best "bun" for a drug addict, I would consider the release of our citizen, but this just did not happen. Everything else is from the field of theory that on this we have bargained for ourselves there.

[kit88]

Well, if you judge.
We have thousands of such drug addicts in prisons. And all the citizens of the Russian Federation. In theory, the President’s soul should hurt about its citizens. However, he pardons exactly the citizen of Israel, whom he should not care about from the high bell tower. Why's that?
Why would he release her? Another thing if for this ....

[halpat]

Quote: credo

Quote: iouris

Still would. Some are even "pissed off". What needs to be revised? It must be exchanged. It is high time.

Maybe they will exchange it for Buta, Yaroshenko or someone else, or maybe not - he will serve 1/3 of the term and will be pardoned, like a Jewess who has fallen into drugs.

To do this, he needs to change gender, nationality, religion and confess to drug possession :))
And at the wedding, he went to his or invited ... toastmaster ... a witness?

[Cyril G ...]

Israel lacked Russian citizens across the planet

[Thrifty]

"Pyzhika" he should have been given without the right to amnesty!

[Kito]

and so little was given to him?

[Russian Moldavian]

He even cut out a hernia in a pre-trial detention center. Fiends! Probably without anesthesia.
))

[BARKAS]

Yes, even if they threw a flash drive, then such prisoners are necessary for the exchange. And then in the United States completely beguiled the coast.

[Well done]

I support! Russians are sitting there in batches, and "grubbers" endlessly extradite our fellow citizens to the USA. We must pay back with the same coin!

[Dikson]

A flash card .. a lined letter, a microfilm in a heel ... some kind of surrealism from the last century .. And as for civilian dissatisfaction - it’s a pity that there was only one .. it was necessary to close a couple more .. and make a misunderstanding person ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dikson

Flash card .. lined letter, microfilm in heel ...

... British spy stone ...
And a bunch of "non-polite" journalists, activists and others who have not apologized to Mamontov for the persecution ...

Now they will again promote the topic "well, who uses a flash drive when there is Internet." Moreover, this will be done by the same people who denied the existence of a stone.

[rotfuks]

When an American diplomat was detained in Moscow a couple of years ago during a media transfer, there was also talk of surrealism from the last century. They filmed the moment of bookmarking the information and its fence, but still the Americans did not confess.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: rotfuks

When an American diplomat was detained in Moscow a couple of years ago during a media transfer, there was also talk of surrealism from the last century. They filmed the moment of bookmarking the information and its fence, but still the Americans did not confess.

Maybe he moonlighted as amphetamine bookmarks? )))

[halpat]

Quote: Dikson

A flash card .. a lined letter, a microfilm in a heel ... some kind of surrealism from the last century .. And as for civilian dissatisfaction - it’s a pity that there was only one .. it was necessary to close a couple more .. and make a misunderstanding person ..

There was also a wig that was awkward ... or I'm confusing it with a previous spy.

[Threaded screw]

sentenced a US citizen to 16 years in prison.

They realized it, but the arrests of Vadim Mikerin, Evgeny Buryakov, Dmitry Karpenko, Alexei Krutilin, Maria Butina and others ... remained unanswered!

[zadorin1974]

At the expense of the latter you screw got excited, because nefig !!!!!

[zadorin1974]

This Butina diligently searched for a soft spot.
In 2010, Butina, who from childhood loved guns and herself shot excellently, became the founder of the public organization “The Right to Arms”. The stated objectives of the organization are the mitigation of legislation in the field of carrying firearms. The organization held a series of public events and congresses, in which up to 100 activists of the legalization of arms trafficking of various political views took part - from communists to nationalists and anarchists. Among the members of the movement was the only politician on a federal scale, Senator Torshin, who provided financial and informational support to the movement. In 2012, the American magazine New Republik published a report on the shooting, organized by the activists of "Rights to Arms", which brought Butina international fame for the first time. In the period 2012-2016, Butina made contacts and received delegations from the US National Rifle Association in Russia, and she repeatedly traveled to the United States. In April 2018, when Butina already lived in the United States, the Right to Arms organization was excluded from the unified state register of legal entities, but continues to operate as a public organization. Butina was mentioned as a co-author of the expert report “On the issue of reforming Russian arms legislation”, prepared under the leadership of Senator Torshin in 2012 [5] [6] [10].

In 2013-2014, Butina visited Slovakia and the Czech Republic, where she met with national organizations of supporters of the legalization of arms trafficking [9].
Well and further: on October 25, 2019, Maria was released and a day later returned to Moscow. In the capital, a Russian woman was met by a delegation of the Russian Foreign Ministry and people who were not indifferent to her fate. From the capital of Butina I went to my native Barnaul.

[T.Henks]

Butina is a member of the public chamber today?

[zadorin1974]

To be honest, I don’t know. But in principle, I won’t be surprised at anything. Dad is not poor, his former lover is not a beggar.

[RESEARCHER]

Let this one sit, even for half a period.
And for the exchange, you can also have five more - another gather.

[Mountain shooter]

Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?

[Ugnetenni]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?

Until the death penalty for treason is introduced, such spies will feel at home .... For 16 years, of course, it is unlikely that they will sit or buy or exchange (they will arrest some deputy’s son abroad and EVERYTHING)

[Dikson]

For articles such as treason to the motherland, pedophilia, terrorism and theft in especially large sizes, it is high time to return the death penalty .. Today, information slipped that the USA lifted the moratorium on executions and federal sentences will be carried out ..

[Ugnetenni]

Quote: Dikson

Today, information slipped that the USA lifted a moratorium on executions and federal sentences will be carried out ..

Well, all of us are playing "democracy" .. Places would be freed for economic criminals ..

[T.Henks]

It is high time! But who will allow them! Saw the branch beneath you.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Let them rejoice that we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Is it worth it to cancel? For traitors and spies?

For traitors, the death penalty should be abolished, but as for the spies, then I think you got excited because to deprive yourself of the trump cards in negotiations and "squander" the exchange fund as something not like a boss. Our citizens, too, somehow need to be removed from the American kichi

[rotfuks]

When the Americans arrested Viktor Bout or the pilot Doroshenko, then no one thought about reverse measures? Or someone who enrolled himself in the country of the untouchables?

[cniza]

Quote: rotfuks

Or someone who enrolled himself in the country of the untouchables?

They still think so ...

[ZVS]

The United States let them put their discontent into their anus.

[cniza]

It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.

Can exchange with ours there, according to the scheme - all on all ...

[NF68]

Is it better to send it under sunny Magadan?

[Sergej1972]

In my opinion, in the Magadan region there was no strict regime prison. If only for local, general regime and colony settlements.

[NF68]

Quote: Sergej1972

In my opinion, in the Magadan region there was no strict regime prison. If only for local, general regime and colony settlements.

Him and this hell seems.

[Revival]

How was he able to be imprisoned before the amendments were adopted, right now through the "international norms" that they dictate to us from there and they will release him !?

[1536]

The Americans also have "exceptional" spies. Usually, engaging in espionage means that a person is ready to be arrested, taken into custody, to serve a sentence and even ... to death. And here some kind of "J. Bond" is not real, although, simply, he did not manage to mow "like a fool". Today it has become fashionable to shield those who have committed crimes. Even murder, completely drunk, they manage to expose as a "mitigating circumstance". And then a man came with "good" intentions - to the wedding, and his time to jail. Sober, not an addict. And the artist is really wonderful, no match for the others. A win-win. If I hadn't been caught, I would have passed on classified information to the "center". If caught, the "central" press steps in and in this case the Russians will not seem a little, they will blame everything. It will be interesting to see who will whitewash him from the Russian side ...

[Revival]

No, from our side they will not whitewash him, you don’t know, right now we’ll accept the amendments and all the bad things will disappear in the morning! Before that, it was just tight without them ..

[K-50]

In the USA, they are convinced that Russian law enforcement officers did not have sufficient grounds for the arrest of an American citizen.

The FSA had no reason to arrest our Bout, it didn’t stop them, our girls, I don’t remember the name, and many others. How many of our compatriots were stolen and taken out on far-fetched and sucked-up charges, not even for the crimes themselves, but their possibilities, their shadows.
Ping has the largest number of inmates in prisons and "miscarriages of justice" often surface.
This is not a democracy country, it is a democracy !!

[Fedor Sokolov]

And when the states abduct Russian citizens in neutral countries and arrange demonstrative court reprisals on their territory, (Bout, Yaroshenko, etc.), is that nothing? Well, yes, they forgot they can do everything exceptional.

[Cyril G ...]

It is necessary to catch the necessary number (and how many Russian citizens are sitting there ?!) of US citizens and slap them in for alleged charges of child molestation. Let's see how they will respond.

[ccsr]

Quote: Cyril G ...

It is necessary to catch the required number (and how many Russian citizens are sitting there ?!) of US citizens and slap them in on charges of, for example, child molestation.

This is too clumsy for the special services - they don’t do that, and they don’t like pedophiles in the USA either, so don’t be deceived. The most important thing in the held trial is that it became a litmus test for all professional US intelligence officers, who immediately realized that Trump would not pull them out of our prisons, and this greatly affects the work of the residency. That is why now in my opinion it is important to put an ultimatum to the Americans about our people serving sentences in US prisons, and only then start a bargain. Although for prevention I believe that it is useful to exchange it no sooner than he leaves for several years in Mordovian camps - they are known in the West for having foreigners there.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: ccsr

they don’t do that, and they don’t like pedophiles in the USA either, so don’t be deceived.

No matter what they don’t do, the main thing is to put presumptuous freaks in place

[Sergej1972]

Out of habit they are called camps. And so, ordinary ITK.

[Junior Private]

If, in the opinion of American journalists, Russia does not have a place among civilized countries, then to which place do the USA belong, where so far the poor and unfortunate niggas are officially killed on the streets without trial or investigation? Why continue the genocide of Afro-citizens? Nigga lives matter! That's the answer!

[FIR FIR]

How can Russia be invited to the G16 if they sentenced a US citizen to 15 years in prison. The Moscow City Court “dared” to do this, on June XNUMX, recognizing former US Marine Paul Whelan as guilty of espionage.

Yes, what is the seven? And so big there ... USA and six subjects. What is Russia to do there?

[rocket757]

They will piss you off, but you are not a thief r spy !!!
Everything according to the plot of the genre.
What's next ...
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[tolancop]

The fact that an American (at the same time a citizen of other states) received a real term is excellent.
But there are some bad points from my point of view:
1. Not enough. Not enough. A quarter would be just right.
2. Not enough. They planted only one .... A dozen would have been much better. Of course, I understand that to identify this character of the FSB, more than one pair of shoes stopped, but still I would like for the numbers of Americans sent for imprisonment to be fatter. And I'm not greedy ... it’s not necessary to plant for espionage, there are a lot of articles in the Criminal Code !!!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And for this, FSBeshnikam- thank you. What really ..

[PValery53]

America "did not understand" Russian words. Long ago she was told (indicated) that it is contraindicated to steal, judge and imprison Russian citizens! And they even have a stake on their heads! Now let them get used to "mutual services", damn "hegemons"!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Nothing ... Sit. Will think. With a crook you just have to fight! Will come out by another person.

[Mavrikiy]

According to Whelan, he came to Russia for a wedding and did not know anything about the data recorded on the "flash drive" representing state secrets.

Yes, not all cats are Pancake week. I agree with Starikov, exchange for Buta and all the abducted US. Here are just our tops ....

[zontov79]

Americans are, by definition, all innocent)

[Ros 56]

Put him in jail, but let him not spy. I remembered how Papanov said about his son-in-law in "Beware of the car"

[PValery53]

A. Papanov - to Paul Whelan: "I will help you, but you - don't steal!" (Shpien's secrets)

[Viktor Sergeev]

Nicely. We love the USA so much.

[Ros 56]

Is there anything to love them for?

[Yaro Polk]

Buta and Yaroshenko let them give, for this Russophobic mattress.

[Keyser soze]

These US services hit the bottom.

What, they can’t transfer the Old, through an anonymous there is no computer, but you need to send an agent to get a USB flash drive?!? 21 century in the yard ....

[tolancop]

They probably could ... But what if the source agreed to give information only on a USB flash drive? For example: "Here is a product (flash with data), give us money !!!". And the motive of the "seller" is iron: "... I will send the information, and then you will show me the cookie ....", and so - the goods against money ...

[Ros 56]

Exactly where there are striped to the Bulgarians, the Bulgarians are the first in information technology.

[Dzafdet]

We exchange one Americanos for two of ours. No bargaining. We must take this as a permanent action ...

[rosomaha]

Americans are already guilty of the fact of their appearance ...

[tolancop]

"... The accused called his verdict 'political theater' ...."
Yeah ... with the accused in the lead role ... And what is he dissatisfied with in this case? Not involved in the crowd, but in the first place .... Again, Entime Amerikans did not please !!!

[Hog]

"Innocent" American.

Lol)))

not a place among other civilized countries

Well, it depends on what civilization means, the level of development of mankind or the level of curvature under the states.

[German Titov]

Catch fish big and small

[Shadow041]

Well, if you took it in the act, the Yankees can only close their bakery and stop carrying nonsense !!!

[Alex Justice]

It claims that not a single civilized country will go down to the arrest of an "innocent" American.

And the Australian and other American citizens can be imprisoned.
More than 400000 Australians have signed a petition to bring Asange back home.

[Zaurbek]

Well, a lot of people are not satisfied with what!

[Artunis]

Not enough, however, given!