The development of a wheeled floating version of the Tor-M2 air defense system has begun in Russia

A new modification of the Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) is being developed in Russia. As Lieutenant General Alexander Leonov, the head of the military air defense of the RF Armed Forces, said in an interview with the National Defense magazine, the new complex will be wheeled and will be able to overcome water obstacles by itself.

The Tor-M2 modification is being developed on a specialized wheeled chassis. The main requirement for a combat vehicle is to overcome water obstacles swimming

- said Leonov.

At the same time, the general did not disclose the details of the new development.

Recall that the wheel modification of the Tor-M2 air defense system is already available. In this form, the equipment is supplied to the armed forces of Belarus. The first batteries of the air defense system entered service with the 120th anti-aircraft missile brigade of the air force and air defense forces in 2011 and 2012.

Regarding the supply of air defense systems to the Russian army, we note that last year the Ministry of Defense signed a long-term contract with the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol for the supply of Tor-M2 and Tor-M2DT anti-aircraft missile systems to the troops. The agreement, worth almost 100 billion rubles, is designed to supply equipment until 2027.

The Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile system is an all-weather melee system. He is able to cover strategic objects from cruise missiles, multiple launch rocket systems, as well as barrage of ammunition and drones. This is a deeply modernized complex of the Tor family, which differs from previous models in the use of the new 9M338K rocket. In addition, the combat vehicle increased the ammunition load from 8 to 16 missiles. The detection range of air targets is up to 32 km, the destruction range is up to 15 km, it is possible to work fully automatically.

The complex is constantly being modernized, including taking into account the use in Syria.

Comments

[WILL]

Well and Great, the Marines will get their Torah! It is a pity that there is little information ... the question is - When?

[Aag]

"The Marines will get their Torah!"
I strongly doubt the seaworthiness of this chassis. Rather, only to force small rivers in the composition of the covered units, units.

[vVvAD]

The article about the IMF is not a word. Therefore, this is a land complex, but it does not need more. It is known that the Torahs are the only air defense systems firing on the move. If he kept this feature afloat - it's just great and the limit that can be expected from this modification.

[Aag]

"... not a word about the IMF."
Probably the Navy (Navy).
"The Torahs are the only air defense systems firing on the move."
But what about the Needle, Arrow, Shilka, Tunguska? Anything else? I can be wrong, not special ... I realize that the goals, opportunities can be different for different systems. I hope the specialists explain.
"If he kept this feature afloat."
I do not see any technical problems in this plan. If the system works "on the fly", what changes for positioning equipment? Guidance, aiming, what changes?

[alexmach]

But what about the Needle, Arrow, Shilka

Irreversibly outdated. Missile life expires or has long expired.

[Aag]

Quote: alexmach

But what about the Needle, Arrow, Shilka

Irreversibly outdated. Missile life expires or has long expired.

Yes, and why is the Needle in service, manufactured, modernized, exported to 30 countries? Do not mislead people.

[vVvAD]

SAM - anti-aircraftmissile complex.
Needle, Arrow and Tunguska can launch missiles only from a stop.
Shilka is generally a pure artillery mount.
Similar requirements were also imposed on the Carapace, but due to the choice of the wheeled platform, the BM was set high, the center of gravity shifted up, and when firing from the AP perpendicular to the direction of movement, there was a risk of tipping over. Therefore, at the first stage, it was decided to abandon the idea of ​​shooting on the move.

[Aag]

"Needle, Strela and Tunguska can only launch missiles from a stop."
Do you continue to persist?
But what about the "Strelets" launcher, the "Komar" turret, "Gibka-S" MANPADS? Manufacturers write that for launching the Needle-S on the move, and from the ground, water and air.

[vVvAD]

Dear Alexander, do not interfere with flies with cutlets.
TORs and Shells are all-weather tactical air defense systems. And all these modules, due to weight and size limitations, are suitable only for short-range air defense systems and cannot have a normal radar of sight and guidance. The maximum in such dimensions is OLS, therefore, it is impossible to talk about any all-weather use. Next: the number of equipped missiles: Sagittarius - 2, Komar - 6, Bending-S - 4. Reload is not automated.
Technically, you won the argument, but in fact you moved to another "weight" category, that is, to a different air defense echelon.

[NEXUS]

In the light of the development of hyper-fast missiles around the world, we should now think about creating anti-ballistic missiles for our air defense systems capable of intercepting such maneuvering targets.

[Sky strike fighter]

There is a Buk-M3, S-300V4, S-400. There will be another S-500.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

There is a Buk-M3, S-300V4, S-400. There will be another S-500.

Everything that you listed, except for the S-500, which is not yet in the army, is not capable of intercepting maneuvering high-speed targets from a word at all, no matter how you would not believe in it.

[Sky strike fighter]

In general, hypersonic targets. What did you want to believe about, did not want to believe about? These are facts.

the main novelty is the S-500 Prometheus complex. This air defense system should appear in the army this year. According to open sources, the S-500 will be capable of detecting and simultaneously hitting up to ten ballistic targets flying at speeds up to 7 km / s, as well as warheads of hypersonic cruise missiles. For comparison, "Triumph" can simultaneously fire at six targets with a maximum speed of up to 4,7 km / s. In this case, the reaction time will also change: if the S-400 has nine seconds, then the S-500 should not exceed four.

https://tass.ru/opinions/8727839

To combat targets flying at hypersonic speeds, the Russian army can use modified versions of the Buk-M3 and S-400 air defense systems, the Peresvet combat laser, as well as weapons based on new physical principles, experts interviewed by Russia Today say. The high-speed intercept capability is also incorporated into the A-135 Amur and S-500 anti-missile systems.

https://rg.ru/2020/06/15/kakoe-oruzhie-ispolzuet-rossiia-protiv-giperzvukovyh-celej.html

[Vita vko]

Quote: NEXUS

In the light of the development of hyper-high-speed rockets around the world, we should think now

Everything has been invented before us. It is only the Americans who have problems with interception, because all of their anti-missiles in the final section switch to infrared guidance and kinetic destruction of targets. In such conditions, to catch up with a target whose speed is several times higher is possible only by chance.
In most of our medium- and long-range missiles, the high-explosive fragmentation damaging factor. Therefore, not a single hypersonic blank against a cloud of fragments on its trajectory will fly by in principle. It’s the same as tossing stones in the path of a fast moving car, the faster the speed, the less glass. The main problem is to detect and transfer the control unit in time.

[voyaka uh]

"In such conditions, it is possible to catch up with a target whose speed is several times higher only by accident" ///
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Counter intercepts. At the intersecting courses.

[5-9]

Yes ... getting a bullet into a bullet ... even in space, is a difficult task.

[voyaka uh]

It's easier in space: friction of the atmosphere, heating of devices, wind, etc. do not interfere. IR "sight" and gas rudders allow for precise aiming.
Therefore, we switched to gliders in the upper atmosphere - it is more difficult to intercept a rocket there.

[rotmistr60]

The complex is constantly being modernized, including taking into account the use in Syria.

Indeed, Syria gives great opportunities to the designers of Russian weapons to correct the deficiencies identified in the field, to make changes taking into account the use in real combat conditions. In a word, a training ground that gives ample opportunities to gunsmiths.

[Sky strike fighter]

That's for sure. Practice is important.

During the hostilities in Syria, the Tor air defense systems shot down more than 45 homemade drones belonging to the militants. About this with reference to the chief of the air defense of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant-General Alexander Leonov, reports the magazine "National Defense".

https://rg.ru/2020/06/15/bolee-45-bespilotnikov-sbili-kompleksy-pvo-tor-v-hode-vojny-sirii.html

[mark1]

And what about "Morpheus"? Vague photos in Khmeimim and silence flashed. Who will say something new?

[Sky strike fighter]

Why is it needed if there is a Tor-M2 and Shell-SM?

[mark1]

So you don’t know?

[d4rkmesa]

But what is going on there? Apparently, because there are no movements over the past 5 years, the topic is canceled.

[mark1]

I thought so too, but the topic came up in Hmeimim a few years ago, so I ask, and suddenly someone knows something. Just.

[Graz]

looking at the photo that there are doubts about good cross-country ability

[Piramidon]

Quote: Graz

looking at the photo that there are doubts about good cross-country ability

Yes, something is the ground clearance (clearance) in the photo looks a little small. But before you force the water barrier, you still need to approach it and not on the asphalt.

[Aag]

I agree, the first thing that caught my eye.
Maybe I’ll voice the seditious idea, but, for the real operators of a particular military equipment (military equipment), it is obvious that the declared characteristics are possible only with perfect operation, repair and maintenance. Which, unfortunately, is far from realities. (((
Some experience in operating the BTR-70 allows me to say that this unit is floating, of course ... In fairness: it was in the years when conscripts were put behind the wheel, in the most extreme case. When there were not enough officers for everything: on the database, on guard , outfits, direct functional duties according to the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Well, it was impossible to close all plugs in the bottom! .

[d4rkmesa]

So this Belarusian chassis is likely to be a different amphibious chassis. By the way, on the other hand, if we compare it with the "Pantsir" on KAMAZ trucks, Belarusians have no problems with a high center of gravity.

[pepel]

For the "stove" probably "Wasp" was taken?

[loki565]

No, its chassis will not pull the torus, and even with 16 missiles. Here in size there should be something like DT30 only on wheels

[pepel]

The "Wasp" conveyor itself can be redesigned for "Tor", the schematic diagram is the same.

[Dzafdet]

Take the chassis from Tochka-U and forward ...

[Radikal]

Quote: pepel

The "Wasp" conveyor itself can be redesigned for "Tor", the schematic diagram is the same.

There was an 8x8 floating chassis of the same Bryansk plant for transportation of the Oka OTRK

[Cympak]

An extremely dubious idea to make a floating wheeled car. If you need to swim, take the Tor-M2DT from the Vityaz base. But the wheeled version of the "Torah", like the Belarusians, is needed to cover highly mobile units on wheeled chassis.

[Free wind]

We have some kind of craziness with this sailing. Since the Great Patriotic War, we seem to have had no conflicts with the use of amphibians. Moreover, the air defense system, it seems to her to do nothing in attacking orders. The range allows you to be located about 5 kilometers behind the advancing troops.