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Finland could get Karelia after the collapse of the USSR

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From the late 80s to the beginning of the 90s of the last century, Finland had a real prospect of getting Karelia. But the president of this country, Mauno Koivisto, for a number of reasons did not take this opportunity.


Jukka Seppinen, a doctor of political science and a former expert at the Finnish Foreign Ministry, analyzes the Karelian issue from the point of view of the Finnish leadership in the recently published book “Because President Koivisto was against the return of Karelia”.

The prospects for the transfer of Karelia from Russia to Finland became real immediately after the collapse of the USSR, especially since Boris Yeltsin did not object to negotiations. In addition, back in 1990, the Soviet leadership condemned the secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, where, among other things, Finland was transferred under the “guardianship” of the Soviet Union. And Stalin, of course, planned to return the Finnish lands to their “home harbor," because it was not in vain that the 16th republic of the USSR, Karelo-Finnish, appeared.

As a result of the Soviet-Finnish conflict, Karelia remained part of the USSR, and Finland retained its independence.

Oddly enough, when Finland had the opportunity to take Karelia from Russia "with the approval of Russian President Boris Yeltsin," the main opponent of this idea was Finland's President Mauno Koivisto. That is how the Finnish author writes. Already after his retirement, he named the reason why he took this position:

New Finnish territories are not needed. Even now, we cannot occupy all of Finland.

Although Finnish researchers call other versions. Some, for example, believe that Koivisto simply "was afraid of the KGB," which, however, did not exist by the time we are talking about.

But not everyone in Finland relates to the Karelian issue in the same way as Koivisto. For example, the ex-commander of the air force of the country, Lieutenant General Rauno Meriyo, is a staunch supporter of the return of Karelia. In an interview with a Russian journalist, he said that sooner or later this will happen:

I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 16 June 2020 12: 33
    38
    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.
    Unless in the Karelian-Finnish SSR.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 16 June 2020 12: 43
      11
      Rather, they die than receive Karelia!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 16 June 2020 13: 00
        +6
        Lieutenant General Rauno Meriyo is a staunch supporter of the return of Karelia. In an interview with a Russian journalist, he said that sooner or later this will happen:

        I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.

        Blessed is he who believes before death! Who believes in miracles!

      2. major071
        major071 16 June 2020 13: 04
        14
        I agree with my uncle from Finland
        In one: we will all die, no doubt here
        And regarding the Karelian differences:
        Suck ... I will answer one thing ...
        hi drinks
        1. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 13: 13
          +5
          Well, you just like that, without clarification ...
          After all, they may not understand why and why?
          So that they have no doubt ...
          Suck the buoy ... well, that is, a float with a mount to the bottom!
          laughing laughing hi
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 June 2020 13: 26
          +3
          ... oddly enough, when Finland had the opportunity to pick up Russia .......
          some nonsense! negative --- if, yes, yes !!!!!! This is their fantasy!
          A little the number of our tourists is reduced, immediately moaning that they have losses because of this.
    2. credo
      credo 16 June 2020 13: 17
      +3
      Quote: Lesovik
      I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.

      Something I have not heard before about Yeltsin's negotiations with the Finns regarding the transfer of Karelia. It is unclear whether this is a Finnish duck, or whether it is true and Yeltsin, in a drunken stupor, muttered something like this - "And if we give you Karelia in exchange for the Baltic Sea coast?"
    3. Far B
      Far B 16 June 2020 13: 22
      +3
      Also did not understand the maxim "is a staunch supporter of the return of Karelia." Return to where? Has Karelia once belonged to someone other than Russia? If we are talking about the return, then just about the return of Finland - maybe Sweden, or maybe Russia.
    4. halpat
      halpat 16 June 2020 15: 23
      0
      New Finnish territories are not needed. Even now, we cannot occupy all of Finland.

      That is, if in other words, it was supposed to evict the population there or ... to destroy it?
      An alcoholic could have passed, he did it with pleasure and for the sake of his beloved, if only the presidential chair was under his ass.
      Thank God, he took away in time the misfortune of the drunkard.
  2. chenia
    chenia 16 June 2020 12: 34
    +7
    ".... the President of Finland, Mauno Koivisto, opposed this idea."

    He did the right thing, the Russians always come back for their own.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 June 2020 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: chenia
      ".... the President of Finland, Mauno Koivisto, opposed this idea."

      He did the right thing, the Russians always come back for their own.

      And how many Karelians are left?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 16 June 2020 12: 56
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: chenia
        ".... the President of Finland, Mauno Koivisto, opposed this idea."

        He did the right thing, the Russians always come back for their own.

        And how many Karelians are left?

        In Karelia, 7% of Karelians, 82% of Russians
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 16 June 2020 13: 17
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: chenia
          ".... the President of Finland, Mauno Koivisto, opposed this idea."

          He did the right thing, the Russians always come back for their own.

          And how many Karelians are left?

          In Karelia, 7% of Karelians, 82% of Russians

          Well, here's the explanation. Why did the finals need national problems? Karelians are a kindred people to finals, and Finns even considered the Finns to be large, alien to the land not considered rational.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 13
            -7
            There, the majority of Russians are former Karelians, assimilation of all matters. Therefore, if it had entered Finland, or became a separate old, then Karelians would have grown.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 21
              +1
              This is not true. Already at the time of the creation of the KASSR, Russians prevailed there. Petrozavodsk is a Russian city. Over the years of industrialization, the population of the republic has grown several times.
              1. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti 17 June 2020 13: 50
                -1
                Yes? I understand that you very well studied this process or from there? More than half, and then the majority - Russians - are former Karelians, Vepsians, and so on. I know very well about this republic and the people from there.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 18 June 2020 03: 08
                  0
                  Yes, I studied the history of the Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia, for myself, for general development. Now there are more than three and a half times more Russians compared to the mid-twenties, and the number of Karelians has halved over the course of a century. But even in the mid-20s. 100 thousand Karelians accounted for over 150 thousand Russians. Part of the regions of Karelia, both then and now, is purely Russian. Petrozavodsk is a Russian city.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 June 2020 12: 56
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And how many Karelians are left?

        But God knows them, he did not track demographics in their respect, but I think that it’s not enough. But many can identify themselves Russians. Assimilation yes but not eradication as a nation ...
        From personal observations I will share the fact that in the early 90s, I served with a representative of the small ethnic group "Vepsians", also inhabiting Karelia ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 16 June 2020 13: 37
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          From personal observations I will share the fact that in the early 90s, I served with a representative of the small ethnic group "Vepsians", also inhabiting Karelia ...

          In my youth I met a pretty girl a carriage ... N, yes .... I remember for a long time ... Pubic louse is a memorable thing ... But the girl was modest, I thought so ....
          1. Say Tooth
            Say Tooth 16 June 2020 16: 39
            +1
            Let me express
            Quote: 30 vis
            Quote: Insurgent
            From personal observations I will share the fact that in the early 90s, I served with a representative of the small ethnic group "Vepsians", also inhabiting Karelia ...

            In my youth I met a pretty girl a carriage ... N, yes .... I remember for a long time ... Pubic louse is a memorable thing ... But the girl was modest, I thought so ....

            Let me express my sympathy for the suffering suffered. Pubic louse is rumored to be a really cool thing.
        2. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 14
          -9
          Assimilation was tough under the USSR. So it was violent from the part.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 17 June 2020 08: 05
            +1
            Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
            Assimilation was tough under the USSR.

            Explain how the natural process assimilationdue to a number of emerging factors can be "tough"? belay
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 17 June 2020 13: 47
              -2
              A ban outside the vowel on the Karelian language, the infusion of more and more Russians into the region. This was especially after the Finno-Soviet war. The rest can be found on the Internet, a lot of open data on the network.
            2. barium
              barium 17 June 2020 19: 01
              0
              due to the placement of the GULAG there, the number of local people became much less ... at political classes, in the army, they told us so!
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 22
          0
          Few. 7-8% of the population, plus a small number of Vepsians and Finns.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 12
      +1
      Quote: chenia
      He did the right thing, the Russians always come back for their own.

      A worthy successor to the "Paasikivi - Kekkonen line".
  3. WILL
    WILL 16 June 2020 12: 35
    +5
    Another recipients .... figwam (Native American national hut) (c).
    I’m just wondering, does Russia have at least one Neighbor - who doesn’t want to get anything from us?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 June 2020 12: 48
      +8
      Quote: ANIMAL
      I’m just wondering, does Russia have at least one Neighbor - who doesn’t want to get anything from us?

      In terms of territories?
      Please DPRK. They even officially recognized Crimea as Russian. yes
      1. WILL
        WILL 16 June 2020 12: 56
        +8
        My Friendly Greetings - Kim Jong-un and All North Korea! fellow
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 21
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Please DPRK.

        Well, they do not have Russia, but there are disputed islands between North and South Korea, as well as the North Korea’s unrecognized North dividing line with South Korea. The Sino-Korean border contains a controversial 33-kilometer stretch of the border with the DPRK in the Pektusan Mountains.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 14
      0
      Quote: ANIMAL
      I’m just wondering, does Russia have at least one Neighbor - who doesn’t want to get anything from us?

      Yes, not only from Russia, the whole world wants to tear something and from someone.
    3. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 16 June 2020 13: 56
      +1
      Russia has at least one Neighbor - who does not want to receive anything from Us?

      Everyone wants to get it. And maybe they will. The question is who and what?
  4. alexmach
    alexmach 16 June 2020 12: 36
    +2
    The Finns simply received a good vaccination from expansionism during World War II. Since then, they have become very adequate, but here the citizen apparently ends with the vaccine.
  5. Zoomlion
    Zoomlion 16 June 2020 12: 36
    0
    I see that many "immortals" on the planet have divorced. Where are they inoculated with this "vaccine"?
  6. Mouse
    Mouse 16 June 2020 12: 37
    +6
    Could, could not ... history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood .....
    Steam engine Tu! That!
  7. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 16 June 2020 12: 44
    +1
    Residents of Karelia, most likely, would be glad to this.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 June 2020 12: 57
      -3
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Residents of Karelia, most likely, would be glad to this.

      Partly yes, for example, only 100000 Russians left the collapse of the USSR from the Baltic states, the rest are in no hurry
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Partly yes, for example, only 100000 Russians left the collapse of the USSR from the Baltic states, the rest are in no hurry

        You didn’t think enough, 140 people left Estonia alone. About 000 people left Tallinn alone.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 16 June 2020 13: 51
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: RUSS
          Partly yes, for example, only 100000 Russians left the collapse of the USSR from the Baltic states, the rest are in no hurry

          You didn’t think enough, 140 people left Estonia alone. About 000 people left Tallinn alone.

          Do not worry, by 2030 all able-bodied population will leave from the same Latvia mainly to the EU and USA, only Russian-speaking people will remain.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 19
            -5
            This is not true, as is the fact that by 2050 there will be less than half of Russians in the Russian Federation.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 June 2020 14: 28
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Do not worry, by 2030 all able-bodied population will leave from the same Latvia mainly to the EU and USA, only Russian-speaking people will remain.

            Yes, everyone goes to work, both Aboriginal and Russian-speaking people, but then they return, but there are those who live well, and there are those who live well in the Baltic states. And somehow I don’t notice the survivors, as it all settled down.
      2. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 16 June 2020 14: 00
        +3
        only 100000 Russians left the Baltic states, the rest are in no hurry

        There are many relatives in the Baltic states (Latvia). Only the elderly and the elderly did not leave. Almost all young people (with the exception of those who could find at least some work) in Europe. Two cousins ​​in Germany.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Residents of Karelia, most likely, would be glad to this.

      Well, what do you ask them?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 16 June 2020 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Bersaglieri
        Residents of Karelia, most likely, would be glad to this.

        Well, what do you ask them?

        Karelians are a separate, completely independent people, not an appendage or a variety of another, for example, Finnish or Estonian peoples. With all the similarities with the Finns, the Karelians have their own unique culture, customs and traditions. The vast majority of Karelians have a religion different from Finns and Estonians. The Karelians have a different mentality, other character traits and even external signs by which characteristic portraits of representatives of different nations are created.
        But! About a thousand residents of Karelia annually request a Finnish residence permit: in 2013, the consulate received 1300 such applications, in 2014 - 800. According to the consul of Finland in Petrozavodsk Tuomas Kinnunen, this figure will most likely exceed the thousandth by the end of the current year. mark. Interestingly, most of the applications are satisfied, and the failure rate is low.
        1. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 16 June 2020 14: 06
          +2
          About a thousand residents of Karelia annually request a Finnish residence permit

          Unfortunately, people from other regions of Russia are striving abroad in search of a better life. The question is what will they find there and will it suit them? About the statistics of those who return from there we are not really told.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 June 2020 14: 19
            0
            Quote: Souchastnik
            Unfortunately, people from other regions of Russia are striving abroad in search of a better life.

            Someone seeks abroad in search of a good life, and someone sends his children abroad, providing them with a good life at the expense of Russia.
        2. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 21
          -4
          There is not much difference between Finns, Estonians, Karelians. Outwardly - all are similar. In cultural terms, there are indeed differences, as in language. But this can easily be explained how the Karelians were greatly influenced by the Russians. And they long ago under the king, I wanted to oppose the Finns. In short, like this.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 27
          0
          There are our Orthodox Karelians, the Finno-Ugric people. But in Finland there is another interpretation of the concept of "Karelian". This is part of the Finnish population, Lutherans.
      2. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 19
        -3
        I'm like ethnic Karel, I tell you - yes.
  8. edmed
    edmed 16 June 2020 12: 44
    +1
    Lieutenant General Rauno Merieu said, well, duck "Come and get it!" wink
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 16 June 2020 12: 49
    +2
    when Finland had the opportunity to take Karelia from Russia "with the approval of the President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin"
    .... EBN, a generous, Russian soul! I distributed sovereignty left and right. I wanted to give Karelia to the Finns, the Kuril Islands and the Japanese, when I was going to Japan to meet, I stopped in Vladik, where they directly asked the Kuriles, are you going to sell? , according to Kravchuk, did not take the Crimea .. (it is hard to believe in such a proposal, but it is possible) ....
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 June 2020 13: 06
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      according to Kravchuk, did not take the Crimea ..

      The very mention of the name "Kravchuk" makes it clear that this is a hypocritical Bandera lie ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 June 2020 13: 49
        +3
        Yes, God bless him and Kravchuk, but EBN, then he could take Crimea, and gave Sevastopol, a city of Union significance, especially since Russia recognized itself as the successor of the USSR and Sevastopol with its status, well, it couldn’t belong to Ukraine ... Because and in the union time, Sevastopol, Ukraine did not belong ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 June 2020 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      ... EBN, a generous, Russian soul! Handing out ........
      Well yes! Was here recently, at night on a TV program, about the 90s, how ours left Germany ... And he sang and danced in front of the audience ....
    3. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 16 June 2020 14: 08
      0
      according to Kravchuk, did not take the Crimea ..

      Did he remember about him? Or maybe in the morning for a bottle of mineral water exchanged?
  10. Operator
    Operator 16 June 2020 12: 53
    -5
    The Finnish Air Force commander is absolutely right: someday, the Finns will all die, and Karelia will become part of Finland - a subject of the Russian Federation bully
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 22
      -4
      The Finns have a higher birth rate than the Russians. Then no)
      1. Operator
        Operator 16 June 2020 16: 19
        -2
        We will adjust their mortality to 100%, of course.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 June 2020 12: 56
    +1
    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.
    Everyone is sure of the first, but with the second, the Finns cherish this dream in vain.
  12. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 16 June 2020 13: 01
    +3
    Every year all these European pugs grow more and more Wishlist .. and the smaller the Pug, the more Wishlist
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 16 June 2020 13: 04
    +2
    Yeltsin gave Crimea to Ukraine, but this does not mean at all that he would have handed over Karelia to Finland.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 16 June 2020 13: 07
    +1
    If yes, if only ... and more about mushrooms.
    there is no object of condemnation, although there is a hint that it is necessary to consolidate the law, Schaub this could not happen at all !!! only the laws manage not to comply, circumvent and change !!! this is also a fact!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 June 2020 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      ...... the laws manage not to comply, circumvent and change !!! this is also a fact!
      Recall the destruction of the USSR.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 June 2020 13: 42
        +2
        The people unequivocally spoke out that the Union BE !!! They listened to the popular voice, yeah, twice as much ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 June 2020 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          The people unequivocally spoke out that the Union BE !!! They listened to the popular voice, yeah, twice as much ...

          I read about it many times and it’s hard to understand everything that was then.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 June 2020 14: 38
            +2
            It was cleverly done, but even then it didn’t work with them ... we got the result all over the face. These are such servants ... not of the people, not of the country, that's for sure.
    2. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 16 June 2020 14: 12
      +1
      legislatively need to fix

      Are you talking about amendments?
      You can fix as much as you like. But there is nothing more reliable than a powerful army.
      Although the most impregnable fortresses were built, opening the gates from the inside.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 June 2020 14: 34
        +1
        When "public servants" and politicians rule, the army nervously rests on the sidelines ... usually.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 16 June 2020 14: 38
        0
        Quote: Souchastnik
        legislatively need to fix

        Are you talking about amendments?
        You can fix as much as you like. But there is nothing more reliable than a powerful army.
        Although the most impregnable fortresses were built, opening the gates from the inside.

        Yes! Opened from the inside towards a donkey loaded with gold.
  15. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 16 June 2020 13: 09
    +8
    From the late 80s to the beginning of the 90s of the last century, Finland had a real prospect of getting Karelia.

    I didn’t. Mr. Eltsin of the Kuriles couldn’t give them back, even though he tried. And there and at least some but grounds for claims. And a carrot, in the form of a peace agreement and possible loans / investments. And the scale of the applicants is incomparable. Where is Japan, and what is Finland against its background. Plus the Kuriles are "somewhere out there", and Karelia is an hour's flight from the capital.
    What about Karelia? It has never been part of Finland, well, except for a small piece. Claims among the Finns, except - well, really hotz, by default can not be. Finland, in principle, was not able to provide any bonuses. With the same success, we can say that Finland had a real prospect of getting land through the Arkhangelsk-Tver-Smolensk line. Well, like Eltsin was not opposed, and the rest is not important. Reasoning is about the same level.
  16. zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 16 June 2020 13: 15
    0
    Yeltsin and Crimea will not be forgiven for leaving him to Ukraine, and if he had done it, he would have been replaced by a double and Putin would have come earlier. And in the place of Helsinki there would be a radioactive desert. Finns prudently behaved.
  17. Old partisan
    Old partisan 16 June 2020 13: 17
    -1
    Although Borka was a drunk and a tycoon, he didn’t hand out territories like Tagged or the current guarantor. We must give him credit. Bastard of course anti-adviser.
  18. gramatey
    gramatey 16 June 2020 13: 22
    0
    What about supplements? Pechengu Petsamo and a half Fisherman? To cook a saucer with a border?
  19. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 16 June 2020 13: 26
    0
    Blessed is he who believes - it is easy for him in the world. But it is better for the respected general to take off his "rose-colored glasses".
  20. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 16 June 2020 13: 45
    0
    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.


    Yes, of course, this can happen. If Finland falls into the provocation of the West, then Russia will have the Karelian Territory, where Finland and Karelia will be one whole))).
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 June 2020 14: 02
    0
    Ospod and these there belay laughing
  22. Errr
    Errr 16 June 2020 14: 12
    +2
    From the article:
    ... Stalin, of course, planned to return the Finnish lands to their "home harbor", because it was not in vain that the 16th republic of the USSR, Karelo-Finnish, appeared.
    As a result of the Soviet-Finnish conflict, Karelia remained part of the USSR, and Finland retained its independence.
    Just for reference:
    ... the Finnish government turned to the USSR with a proposal to begin peace negotiations. On March 7, the Finnish delegation arrived in Moscow, and on March 12, a peace treaty was concluded, according to which military operations ceased at 12:13 on March 1940, XNUMX.
    All officially declared territorial claims of the USSR were satisfied.
    Kareelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic (Fin. Karjalais-suomalainen sosialistinen neuvostotasavalta) - Union republic within the USSR since March 31, 1940 until July 16, 1956 ...
    All of the above is from the Wiki, and in this article, all this is exactly the opposite. In fact, at first there was the Soviet-Finnish war, and only after its completion the Karelo-Finnish SSR was formed. Why pull a real story behind your ears to your "vision" of it? The Karelo-Finnish SSR was quickly formed only for the political justification of the annexation of the impressive territories of Finland, and not for the subsequent complete occupation of the latter. After the establishment of friendly relations between the USSR and the Republic of Finland, the need for union Karelia disappeared and it became autonomous within the RSFSR, albeit with the transfer of a significant part of the territories obtained as a result of the Soviet-Finnish war to neighboring regions. With historical wishlist it would be necessary to be more careful. lol
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 16 June 2020 15: 29
      -1
      I agree with you. I had to visit Finland several times in 1992-1993. I heard that at that time the Finnish leadership was more worried that crowds of hungry citizens of Russia would rush into well-fed Finland and even created special barrage detachments that could prevent these crowds from breaking through the border.
      But about the desire to join Karelia to Finland then something has not been heard. And the Finns weren’t up to it then. Together with the USSR, the Soviet market collapsed, which fed many Finnish companies and the Finns were more concerned about how to restore this market, because with the economy in Finland, it was very deplorable.
      That is, it was not easy for the Finns to aggravate relations with Russia and other former republics of the Union. They were even reluctant to take Finnish citizens of Russia to their permanent residence, although they had such a right under Finnish laws. And in general about Finland and its relations with the USSR since 1917 heaped up mountains of, to put it mildly, incorrect information. After all, even the Russian government led by Lenin gave her independence only in order to establish power there. And the Red Guard detachments sent there to “help the Finnish rebels,” then the Finns, led by Mannerheim, crushed the rebellion. And since then, a big tooth has grown up in Finland at the party of the Bolsheviks and their leaders, which made itself felt during the Winter War of 1939. But the Finns, until the last moment, then tried to peacefully resolve all disputed issues with the Soviets. Did not work out. Not for that, Stalin and Molotov shared with Hitler the spheres of influence in Europe in order to meet "some Finns"
      1. 16329
        16329 16 June 2020 21: 47
        -1
        Nonsense is complete, the Bolsheviks loved Finland, everyone dangled there, fleeing the gendarmes, Finland in the Empire had a very high degree of autonomy
        That is why after the winter war and especially in 1944, the terms of the peace agreements were relatively soft for the Finns (several military bases, the concession of some territories, the surrender of emigrants and complete loyalty
        All Post-war Finland was a privileged partner of the USSR
        And in 1991 they did not ask Karelia.
        And so in Russia there are a lot of Russians with Finnish roots, even Moscow stands on the lands of Finnish tribes, as well as the center, northwest, northern Urals and so on, so there are more people with Finnish roots in Russia than Finns in Finland, they say that Surnames ending in on "-in" of Finnish origin, by the way ....
        So it’s easier to return Finland to its home harbor, especially since neither the Norwegians nor the Swedes consider them Scandinavians.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 46
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        Most of the territories that seceded to the USSR from Finland were transferred from the KFSSR to the Leningrad Region in 1944. And part of the territories entered the Leningrad region immediately.
  23. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 16 June 2020 14: 17
    -8
    If Khrushchev, would not have abolished the Karelian-Finnish SSR. And he did not drive her into the RSFSR. Then, in the year 91, it separated and entered Finland as one people. True, in the history of the USSR many Karelians were assimilated and began to consider themselves Russian, they forgot the language. I think that if they had become part of Finland, then Karelcev would have saved it from extinction. And so if nothing changes, then the Karelians at the end of the century will not be in Karelia. Many, of course, went to live in Finland, how can I obtain Finnish citizenship.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 June 2020 03: 20
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      Nikita. What is your native language? I have a feeling. what you write using an electronic translator.
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 21 June 2020 19: 51
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        Russian language.
  24. iouris
    iouris 16 June 2020 15: 55
    +1
    And in the former Sverdlovsk, the Yeltsin Center stands for itself ...
  25. Olfred
    Olfred 16 June 2020 15: 58
    +1
    And it’s nice that I didn’t get it
  26. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 16 June 2020 17: 22
    +1
    They can now calmly take possession of Karelia. First nuclear rain and then enter and own Karelia. The question is that NATO fighters are glossing over from Finnmark, and they have turned their islands in Finka into a duty area of ​​NATO forces. frigate, guarding communication Kronshtadt-Baltiysk 3 or 1? It is not customary to talk about this, but I will say that almost any transport is available for the NATO Air Force. In the case of special targets, they, as usual, take bearings with the help of their Thales and from airbases a two-man team rushes. "pushing" into the depths of Russia. Apollogies of Iskander and Orenburg divisions, I will answer you, the blow will be dealt during the civil war. To consider NATO evil is our life, but to consider NATO as stupid is rabid ignorance of history. A strike can happen quickly and swiftly, they are waiting for unrest in Russia, and the power in Russia, as if on purpose / but in fact, according to the algorithm, all power is irreplaceable for itself, the court is the highest instance. These are the enemies of Russia and they rejoice and wait for the "H" time .. If there were a competitive party and an independent court --- the buffer zone itself would have asked for our hand, and the PRC would have recognized the seniority in our brotherhood. But while good goes beyond the cordon, do not expect good!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 53
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      How would China recognize seniority if its population is 10 times larger than ours? They, being in times of friendship with the USSR the times of Stalin and early Khrushchea, are weaker than we, nevertheless seniority was not particularly recognized. And the leaders of the USSR with the leadership of the PRC led differently compared to our Eastern European allies. Because they understood the scale of China.
  27. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 16 June 2020 17: 34
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    Finland could get Karelia after the collapse of the USSR

    Just as the Kuril Islands Japan got ...
  28. Alexander Seklitsky
    Alexander Seklitsky 16 June 2020 17: 52
    +2
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    I'm like ethnic Karel, I tell you - yes.

    another daughter of a Crimean officer lol
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 16 June 2020 18: 31
    +1
    Quote: Halpat
    New Finnish territories are not needed. Even now, we cannot occupy all of Finland.

    That is, if in other words, it was supposed to evict the population there or ... to destroy it?
    An alcoholic could have passed, he did it with pleasure and for the sake of his beloved, if only the presidential chair was under his ass.
    Thank God, he took away in time the misfortune of the drunkard.

    Sooner rejoice. When the whole forest is cut down there, then they can give it back. sad
  30. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 16 June 2020 21: 22
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    Well, you, gentlemen, Finnish "hawks", fat ...
  31. passenger
    passenger 16 June 2020 22: 23
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    What other "return" of Karelia to Finland can we talk about? When was Karelia Finnish in general? Finland itself received the status of a country only 100 years ago. And in order to smash this game to the end, let's start with the fact that at least from the XI century the territory of Karelia was part of the lands of the Novgorod principality.
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  33. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 17 June 2020 08: 42
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    As far as Boris is to blame for the collapse of the country, he still does not believe in his initiative to surrender the Kuril Islands and Karelia. He did not lose the war on 05. Although who knows. Then the kings of Alaska sold, what to take with this regime fighter.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 June 2020 09: 55
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      At the time of the transfer of Alaska, Russia annexed vast territories of Central Asia.
  34. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 17 June 2020 10: 53
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    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.

    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Eurasia will again become part of Mongolia, said the Mongol-Tatars :)
  35. strannikpro
    strannikpro 17 June 2020 11: 33
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    Each sub-mongrel imagines itself to be Napoleon ... This is also about Finnish mongrels. The truth is that they forgot what happened to Napoleon when he pounced on Russia.
    Stalin did not return Finland to the fold of Russia after its complete defeat during WWII. And he didn’t even begin to occupy Finland. It was a mistake. Now mongrel and bark. And even the series was shot as they occupied part of Russian Karelia during WWII. This is a kick to Stalin’s coffin.
  36. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 17 June 2020 15: 09
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    I am sure of two things: that once we all die, and that one day Karelia will again become part of Finland.

    I am sure that someday Finland will become the Finnish Autonomous Region.
  37. xomaNN
    xomaNN 18 June 2020 12: 19
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    With all the improbability of such a scenario today, in the "muddy" 90s "ebn" with boerbulis and so on. the pack was ready to sell everything that fell into their thieving hands. I remember how ashamed it was in those days for the top of the ex-USSR in the newly formed republics.

    Is it really that Lukashenko and Nazarbayev moderately destroyed the inheritance of the Union in their territories