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What is a cold weapon and why it is called that way: an overview of types and options

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What is a cold weapon and why it is called that way: an overview of types and options

Cold arms whole volumes of literature are devoted: from highly specialized to popular. Nevertheless, we will try to briefly consider this topic in order to find the answer to the question posed above.


In fact, all the weapons that mankind used throughout its own storiesIt was mostly cold (the history of firearms in this regard is much shorter). Accordingly, at the initial stage of the history of weapons and such a division did not exist and could not exist in principle. Only with the advent of gunpowder in military affairs, and later of all other explosives, did weapons appear in which the ignition energy of the charge was used for the purpose of destroying the elements.

From here went the division of murder into firearms and cold ones. We will not philosophize slyly, but turn to the fundamental domestic legal document regulating the issue we are discussing: the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On Weapons”. It clearly and clearly states that weapons are cold, the basis of the damaging effect of which is the use by a person of his own muscular strength and direct contact with the target, that is, the target. Further, the particulars already begin, which are a dime a dozen in domestic arms legislation.

First of all, edged weapons are divided into throwing and contact. The first, of course, refers to everything that is capable of "reaching" the target at a particular distance, and it does not matter, the "projectile" is launched with a human hand or a mechanical device. That is, in this category we include not only throwing (or, as our ancestors said, throwing) knives or axes, but also a sling, bow and crossbow. Contact - everything that is capable of dealing damage while in the owner’s hand. And here again we have a great many varieties.

Blade weapons: a sword, a saber, a saber, a sword, and so on, right up to the knife, which has a certain set of characteristics. Percussion weapons: mace, brush, pernach, tonfu club. Melee weapons can be pole-mounted and treeless, combined, with which you can chop, chop and just peel anything horrible (for example, some types of halberds, gizarm). In turn, according to the nature of the damage inflicted, it is divided into piercing, cutting, chopping, as well as crushing actions and, in addition, possessing the most diverse combinations of these properties.



Then begins the subspecies distinguished by the manufacturing method: industrial, artisanal, redone (remember from Vysotsky: “Make knives from files”) and by scope of use: combat, service, civilian, hunting, sports. And even being an integral part of the traditional national costume. In a word, there are a lot of nuances. The variety of edged weapons is enormous, it’s another matter that today only a few of its varieties remain familiar to us and found not only in museum displays or in the actions of military-historical restorers.

First of all, these are, of course, knives of various types and types. Swords, rapiers and sabers, along with bows, have firmly “taken root” in big sport. Crossbows in our area are rather exotic, but some of the hunters and just shooting enthusiasts appreciate them.

It is worth adding something about the axes, which at one time represented a formidable fighting force in the hands of our ancestors, and now descendants have remained in the everyday life in the form of an economic and tourist tool. With which, however, you should not joke too ...



Domestic legislation categorically denies the right to appear in the hands of citizens of such things as shurikens, brass knuckles, knuckles and overseas boomerangs. The so-called folding knives are strictly prohibited. Well, about the mace or some kind of sword and say no. Certain types of axes (tomahawk, labris, valushka and some others) are also prohibited. Well, as for the knife, then everything is determined by a combination of several parameters: the length of the blade, the strength of the material from which it is forged, a number of design features of the handle.

All of them are precisely indicated in the legislation, and when they are owned, a seemingly harmless knife turns into a cold steel, the storage and carrying of which requires registration and licensing. As a rule, all legal sellers of such goods have the necessary certificates and certificates of expertise on them. However, if you doubt the knife you have, it is better to take an interest in the relevant regulatory acts, since they are quite accessible so as not to get a lot of troubles and problems with the law instead of using the pleasure and pleasure of owning an excellent blade.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 June 2020 17: 12 New
    -9
    Whether the indicated item is a cold weapon must be submitted by the court. honey. expertise. Once I had to read ... It shows the length and thickness of the blade, the presence of a stiffening rib (blood drain), the presence of a guard, and so on. Seven or eight points. The absence or inconsistency of one - can already be challenged in court.
    And the most commonly used is a table knife!
    1. WILL
      WILL 16 June 2020 17: 19 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Whether the indicated item is a cold weapon must be submitted by the court. honey. expertise!

      I am embarrassed to ask, where does Forensic Medical Examination ??? request
      Well, unless of course you came in your own back with a dagger, ax, sword, etc. belay
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 16 June 2020 17: 38 New
        -13
        I explain. You are met by a police patrol. Requires documents and the contents of the bag, briefcase, trunk ...
        And you just gathered for a picnic and on top lies a knife stylized as a Finnish or machete.
        They begin to hang over you - no one has yet canceled the article for storing knives. You can reasonably justify the presence of this subject (if in the course of the data), and also recall the presumption of innocence.
        By the way, study articles 222 and 223. Suddenly you are going to sell a knife? Or did it yourself?
        1. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 17: 49 New
          17
          Detect Signs of Cold Weapons can Expert - Forensic Scientist! The examination is called - Forensic!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 17 June 2020 15: 12 New
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            Quote: ANIMAL
            Detect Signs of Cold Weapons can Expert - Forensic Scientist!

            In my opinion, all these divisions into "weapons" and "not weapons" are nonsense, but this nonsense has been dragged into the laws.
            As everyone knows, the knife with the greatest number of murders is a kitchen knife, which is not a weapon. You can kill with a screwdriver, moreover, it leaves a very bad wound. A dangerous razor is the same, not a weapon. A person who walks around the city with a butcher’s ax in a plastic bag, doesn’t seem to be a danger, and a knife for a tourist may not fit into the requirements, and you will get at least a showdown with the police, or even a period for wearing.
            It is necessary to punish for use, or for the threat of use. No matter what, let it be even a rolling pin for rolling out the dough, and it can be applied so that the bones of the skull can’t stand it.
        2. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 18: 30 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins

          By the way, study articles 222 and 223. Suddenly you are going to sell a knife? Or did it yourself?

          I have a law degree, I am a collector of cold weapons with 25 years of experience! The Law "On Weapons" - I know almost by heart ... respectively, and related articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation.
          For the Old Partisan - There is no Law on knives ... which you called delusional, there is Just the Law "On Weapons".
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 16 June 2020 19: 13 New
          +1
          Here is a very simple and intelligible video in the subject. My mother’s language, so to speak:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15lHu9BzcS4
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA8u5NPVKFI
          In my opinion, nowhere is simpler and more understandable.
        4. Mordred79
          Mordred79 16 June 2020 22: 27 New
          +2
          Where do you come from? Both the finca and the machete in the Russian Federation are household goods. You are not obliged to explain wearing them even to Minister Kolokoltsev, and not even to his subordinates. The notorious "article for storage" has long been canceled, there is only the admin panel with a paid withdrawal
          1. akunin
            akunin 17 June 2020 08: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Mordred79
            And Finnish, and machetes in the Russian Federation - hozbyt

            Moreover kukri and karambit - household life + tourist (I go with mushrooms for karambit) laughing
        5. Alexander Samoilov
          Alexander Samoilov 17 June 2020 17: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Or did it yourself
          Production without a license - 2 years common fund.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 16 June 2020 22: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Well, unless of course you came in your own back with a dagger, ax, sword, etc.
        Then you will be responsible for the illegal carrying of knives!
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 16 June 2020 18: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And the most commonly used is a table knife!

      I think the box scatter has long challenged his palm. If not in Russia, then around the world - for sure.
    3. fider
      fider 17 June 2020 15: 26 New
      +2
      The leader of the redskins, learn the materiel.
      A stiffener is a protrusion, and the so-called. the bleeding is a hollow. So this is called "dol". The first and most obvious function of the fuller is to facilitate the blade: with the same dimensions, the blade with the fullers has a noticeably less weight, although it loses insignificantly in strength and rigidity. Similarly, with the same mass, the hollows allow to increase the dimensions of the cross-section of the blade and thereby increase the moment of inertia of the cross-section, which leads to an increase in the bending and torsional strength.
    4. Tank hard
      Tank hard 29 June 2020 21: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      (blood circulation)

      I strongly recommend not to use this word in (among) the "knife community", they will laugh (c) ... wink
  2. WILL
    WILL 16 June 2020 17: 14 New
    15
    The author, before writing articles - take the trouble to study the issue that you are going to cover!
    Responsibly declare to you - Storage of Cold Weapons is not Prohibited! yes
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 June 2020 20: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: ANIMAL
      The author, before writing articles - take the trouble to study the issue that you are going to cover!
      Responsibly declare to you - Storage of Cold Weapons is not Prohibited! yes

      It is forbidden to wear. To recognize a knife as a cold weapon, five parameters are required in total: the blade length is more than 90 mm, the blade thickness in the butt is from 2,5 to 6 mm, the grade (density) of steel is higher than 42 HRC units, the presence of a guard or finger recesses is more than 4 mm and, in fact, a sharpened blade. In the absence of one of the listed signs, the knife is not considered edged weapons.
      PS-only the problem is that the guardians of the law do not know these parameters (and they do not have to), and upon finding the product, they seize it, draw up a protocol and then the citizen begins to get acquainted with the procedure of judicial ordeals. The wrong knife will be returned, but for the "correct" knife they can attract, because it is not a good idea to wander with it along the city streets.
      1. WILL
        WILL 16 June 2020 23: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky

        PS-only the problem is that the guardians of the law do not know these parameters (and they do not have to), and upon finding the product, they seize it, draw up a protocol and then the citizen begins to get acquainted with the procedure of judicial ordeals. The wrong knife will be returned, but for the "correct" knife they can attract, because it is not a good idea to wander with it along the city streets.

        Goodnight! hi Therefore, it is better not to throw out Certificates confirming their household purpose, which give to the knives! Well, with what I absolutely agree - a nerf wandering the streets with a Combat knife, not a War, after all! drinks
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 29 June 2020 21: 56 New
          0
          Quote: ANIMAL
          nefik roaming the streets with a Combat knife, not a war after all!

          "Combat knife", the concept is somewhat vague and even conventional. IMHO. repeat
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 16 June 2020 17: 25 New
    +7
    Lermontov remembered ...
    Love you, my bullet dagger,
    Comrade light and cold.
    Thoughtful Georgian for revenge you forged,
    In a formidable battle, the Circassian sharpened free
    Lily's hand brought you to me
    In a badge of memory, at the moment of parting,
    And for the first time, no blood flowed along you,
    But a bright tear is the pearl of suffering.
    And black eyes, stopping at me,
    Filled with mysterious sadness
    Like your steel in trembling fire
    Then suddenly dimmed, then sparkled.
    You are given to me in companions, love pledge dumb,
    And the example of a wanderer in you is not useless:
    Yes, I will not change and will be a hard soul
    How are you, how are you, my iron friend ....
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 16 June 2020 20: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Mouse
      Lermontov remembered ...
      Love you, my bullet dagger,
      Comrade light and cold.
      Thoughtful Georgian for revenge you forged,
      In a formidable battle, the Circassian sharpened free
      Lily's hand brought you to me
      In a badge of memory, at the moment of parting,
      And for the first time, no blood flowed along you,
      But a bright tear is the pearl of suffering.
      And black eyes, stopping at me,
      Filled with mysterious sadness
      Like your steel in trembling fire
      Then suddenly dimmed, then sparkled.
      You are given to me in companions, love pledge dumb,
      And the example of a wanderer in you is not useless:
      Yes, I will not change and will be a hard soul
      How are you, how are you, my iron friend ....


      hi
      POET (excerpt)

      Gold dazzles my dagger;
      The blade is reliable, without blemish;
      Damask steel holds a mysterious temper -
      The legacy of the swearing east.

      He served as a rider in the mountains for many years,
      Not knowing the service fee;
      Not one chest he had a terrible trace
      And not one broke through chain mail.

      He shared the fun obedient to the slave,
      It rang in response to offensive speeches.
      In those days he would have been rich in carving
      Outfit alien and shameful.

      He was taken for Terek by a brave Cossack
      On the cold body of the lord
      And for a long time he lay abandoned afterwards
      In the camping shop of an Armenian.

      Now the baby knives beaten up in the war,
      The hero’s satellite is poor,
      With a golden toy he shines on the wall -
      Alas, inglorious and harmless!

      No one with a familiar, caring hand
      He does not clean, does not caress,
      And his inscriptions, praying before the dawn,
      No one reads with zeal ...

      M.Yu. Lermontov
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 16 June 2020 20: 12 New
        +2
        ..............good hi
  4. Old partisan
    Old partisan 16 June 2020 17: 26 New
    +6
    The law on edged weapons can conditionally be called delusional.
    And in relation to the killing of their own kind, it is so easy to kill, for example, with a ballpoint pen, keys, a hand, a cigarette lighter and anything else, the main skill.
    But a knife, a peak, a saber or a crossbow with you is not always forgiven.
    1. WILL
      WILL 16 June 2020 17: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: Old Partisan
      The law on edged weapons can conditionally be called delusional.
      And in relation to the killing of their own kind, it is so easy to kill, for example, with a ballpoint pen, keys, a hand, a cigarette lighter and anything else, the main skill.
      But a knife, a peak, a saber or a crossbow with you is not always forgiven.

      And where is the ballpoint pen, keys, lighter? These Household Items can be used as Weapons - But they Don't Become Cold Weapons! yes
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 16 June 2020 17: 42 New
        +1
        And where is the ballpoint pen, keys, lighter?

        They become weapons as soon as with their help an act is committed which entails the death or bodily harm of a person in relation to which they were applied. And the court doesn’t care what and how they killed anyone, only the fact is important, and everything else ...
        Remember the very good film "Mommy is a killer maniac", where the main "heroine" nailed one aunt with a beef ham, if I'm not mistaken. laughing
        Yes, and all the murder instruments are sent to the forensic medical examination, the ballistics department is, by the way, in the same place.
        1. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 17: 46 New
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          It is necessary to separate the concepts of Cold Steel and the Item Used as a Weapon (for example, when committing a crime). Cons - I was just made fun! Well - Well ... minusers laughing
          1. WILL
            WILL 16 June 2020 18: 15 New
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            At least one Mediocrity - Can explain His minus, even under one of my comments under this article? laughing
            At least one Minuser, if not Cold Weapon, then at least have seen the Law on Weapons?
            Just the bottom ... negative
            And is this the Former Military Forum? Specialized? belay
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 June 2020 18: 23 New
              +3
              Alexey hi You yourself answered your own question: "At least one Mediocre - Can explain His minus" with one capacious word - Mediocrity. And what is left for him, the unfortunate one, to do? Only put downsides in order to at least somehow indicate their own presence.
            2. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 16 June 2020 19: 46 New
              +2
              Sorry, Alexey Alexandrovich! The question arose if I did not complicate it. How to distinguish a tomahawk from a tourist hatchet, only through an expert?
              1. WILL
                WILL 16 June 2020 20: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: a.hamster55
                Sorry, Alexey Alexandrovich! The question arose if I did not complicate it. How to distinguish a tomahawk from a tourist hatchet, only through an expert?

                Anatoly, I don’t know about you as a priest ...
                Actually, during the sale, you must be issued a certificate of examination (a copy with a seal) that this item is household - household! Selling a battle ax without a permit for a Weapon Gun (ROHA) is impossible, but This item (tomahawk) may be an item of Art, Antiques of historical value ... there is an opinion from the Ministry of Culture.
                If the “item” of the Handicraft industry requires certification (it’s not cheap for about 10 thousand), so that you don’t accidentally have problems wearing it (for example, we went camping).
                Honestly - there’s not much difference between tourist tomahawks and Combat Tomahawks ... well, if you are not a professional tomahawk thrower, I don’t see it. I recommend not to overpay, but to start, take the budget option - to understand if you need it or not! Well, if you directly understand, well, I really need it - then take the non-budgetary Amerikos or German. hi
                1. a.hamster55
                  a.hamster55 16 June 2020 21: 44 New
                  +1
                  Thank you Alexey Alexandrovich! There are knives, but this miracle didn’t seem to be there, but I’ll look again.
                  1. WILL
                    WILL 16 June 2020 22: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: a.hamster55
                    Thank you Alexey Alexandrovich! There are knives, but this miracle didn’t seem to be there, but I’ll look again.

                    No problem! wink If you already have this miracle, there is no certificate, try to determine for yourself what is in your hands. Here is GOST 51215 - 98. It clearly defines what a household ax is and what a battle ax is! Actually the classification of all XO!
            3. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU 17 June 2020 22: 37 New
              0
              Do not start. I, like you, do not understand this stupidity. Express your opinion, then mark with a sign. But ... for lack of stamp we write on the usual.
            4. Igorpl
              Igorpl 28 June 2020 16: 27 New
              0
              What article, such and comments
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 16 June 2020 18: 27 New
            +2
            Greetings! In my opinion, it goes like this (in the plot, if I am mistaken) “death occurred due to such injuries that are incompatible with life:
            asphyxia due to the penetrating wound of the epiglottis caused by a chicken leg;
            damage to the brain by a fragment of the skull bone due to a blow with a tablespoon;
            traumatic brain injury incompatible with life resulting from a fall from a height of one's own growth as a result of the rapier’s guards hitting the nose. fellow
            As far as I know, I am not an expert. And further from this they dance - what did he do in the neighbor’s yard with a rapier, why did she hit a roommate with a chicken leg in the throat
            1. WILL
              WILL 16 June 2020 18: 37 New
              +4
              It’s logical ... only Rapier - according to the Cold Weapons law, and the chicken leg - continues to be the chicken leg - although it can be used as a murder weapon ... but Not One Wizard will make a chicken leg out of Chicken Legs! laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 16 June 2020 18: 38 New
                +5
                I can make Jelly from it! laughing
              2. garri-lin
                garri-lin 16 June 2020 20: 44 New
                -1
                So this is the delusion of the law. Weapons Law. I love knives. I always go with a knife in my pocket. The usual folding. And to be honest, I got sick of it when they react to it. How does a combat knife differ from a dining or tourist or gift "Rambo". In fact, nothing.
                1. WILL
                  WILL 16 June 2020 21: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  So this is the delusion of the law. Weapons Law. I love knives. I always go with a knife in my pocket. The usual folding. And to be honest, I got sick of it when they react to it. How does a combat knife differ from a dining or tourist or gift "Rambo". In fact, nothing.

                  You are mistaken, the law clearly spells out all the characteristics of a cold weapon! Although visually you may not see this. Let's take a simple example, the well-known Fink NKVD, with a blade thickness of 4 mm - is XO, with a thickness of 2.4 mm - is not ... all the other signs they correspond to, visually - are indistinguishable!
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 16 June 2020 21: 18 New
                    +2
                    So why such a separation? You can kill with both options. The difference is minimal. You wrote that with education and a collector. So you understand. Explain to the average man why do you just need knives to equate with weapons? Saber. Yes. Rapier. To sweep. To katana. But the knives.
                    1. WILL
                      WILL 16 June 2020 21: 25 New
                      +2
                      I agree - It’s easy to kill with both options ... only one is for this purpose, and the second does not! There are actually many differences in the wound ... a little later - I will write in more detail! Actually all these "rules and GOSTs" were written with blood. A little later I will answer in more detail. While it is necessary to interrupt ... hi
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 16 June 2020 21: 49 New
                        0
                        I look forward to it.
                      2. WILL
                        WILL 16 June 2020 22: 54 New
                        +2
                        A colleague Nerobsky, upstream, saved me from writing the characteristics of knives that are XO! As I wrote above - Knives that are XO, Created for one purpose - to kill. Many do not know that with the help of the Combat Knife, bulletproof vests are opened, especially from modern fabric materials, up to the Third Protection Class! This is where their difference comes to light (at the same Fink NKVD). Household - with a blade thickness of 2.4 mm more likely to just break - because the blade is not designed for such loads! Finka XO has 4 mm - huge chances to break through the armor (especially Class 1 and 2). For reference - all the armor of hidden wearing (up to Class 2), the armor of PSC employees ... and not only - not used above Class 2.
                        Now the second. It is one thing to use a knife against a defenseless “victim” or a drunken neighbor, and quite another - against a trained enemy, all five qualifying signs of CW are revealed there.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 16 June 2020 23: 15 New
                        +2
                        A man wearing a vest is likely to be armed. Only a desperate optimist or a fool can attack him with a knife. They use either firearms or fires, Molotov cocktails, and accusations of racism against people in brnizikovs (just kidding). Personally, I think the only sign that distinguishes combat from household goods is a seryitor. Otherwise, there is no difference. I checked the budget fold. 1800 rubles. A properly made lanyard replaces the guard. Strength is enough for a few hits with 7 mm plywood punched. The law is needed simply to complicate life. And in the post indicated by you I liked the phrase that "Law enforcement officers are not required to know." Actually, they are obliged.
                      4. WILL
                        WILL 16 June 2020 23: 38 New
                        +1
                        The seritor is not a sign of XO! As for the bulletproof vest ... well, what if in a limited space, or an unexpected and "quiet" attack?
                        Actually, the signs of Combat knives are about the same throughout the World. Somewhere the legislation is softer, somewhere more stringent (on acquisition).
                        Nerobsky - wrote correctly, almost correctly ... Law enforcement officers are required to know, but they are not required to carry a ruler, caliper, and even more so a steel hardness tester ... they will simply be removed under the protocol. Getting back is much harder.
                      5. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 17 June 2020 10: 05 New
                        +2
                        A lot of stupid laws. And the fact that getting back is difficult is doubly stupid. Law is easy. I have fellow taxi drivers. By law, even a bat cannot be carried in a car. Withdraw under the protocol. Carry a drill for a hammer drill. 25 to 550 or 600. So if you hit more than one resuscitation does not pump out. And for knives it’s a shame for any knifeman. Knives are like children. Relatives.
                      6. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 29 June 2020 22: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: ANIMAL
                        Actually, the signs of combat knives are about the same throughout the world.

                        Yeah, and this is a double-edged dagger, in contrast to the "finca", which are completely different. but the kevlar shiloh pierces the best, they say ... repeat
                  2. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 17 June 2020 00: 01 New
                    +1
                    St. John's wort, for Kevlar armor - sharpening, will not fall under the "cold"? - bayonet-knife for the AK-74 according to the law "cold" - in fact, "waste" (with all due respect to the AK). A quality knife is "cold", you will not buy a quality knife (for example, a soft one) - it dulls quickly, not long enough, etc. etc...
                  3. Shopping Mall
                    Shopping Mall 17 June 2020 10: 45 New
                    +2
                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    A colleague Nerobsky, upstream, saved me from writing the characteristics of knives that are XO! As I wrote above - Knives that are XO, Created for one purpose - to kill.


                    Knives, which are XO, are them by an idiotic coincidence, because someone has so prescribed in the law. In different countries, these requirements vary, that in Russia is economic, in Germany or in Israel XO.

                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    Many do not know that with the help of the Combat Knife, bulletproof vests are opened, especially from modern fabric materials, up to the Third Protection Class! This is where their difference comes to light (at the same Fink NKVD). Household - with a blade thickness of 2.4 mm more likely to just break - because the blade is not designed for such loads! Finka XO has 4 mm - huge chances to break through the armor (especially Class 1 and 2). For reference - all the armor of hidden wearing (up to Class 2), the armor of PSC employees ... and not only - not used above Class 2.


                    Much also depends on the material of manufacture - a high-quality household product, which is not a CW, made of high-quality material, of lesser thickness, will withstand greater loads than a "real military army knife", which is thicker, but made of cheap material, because it was purchased through a tender ...

                    And it’s better to pierce the armor with a thick awl, which is not XO.

                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    Now the second. It is one thing to use a knife against a defenseless “victim” or a drunken neighbor, and quite another - against a trained enemy, all five qualifying signs of CW are revealed there.


                    An unprepared one has chances against a prepared one only in case of a sudden attack from behind or at close range, otherwise it doesn’t matter that the unprepared CW and the prepared household have the end anyway.
                  4. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 29 June 2020 22: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: AVM
                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    A colleague Nerobsky, upstream, saved me from writing the characteristics of knives that are XO! As I wrote above - Knives that are XO, Created for one purpose - to kill.


                    Knives, which are XO, are them by an idiotic coincidence, because someone has so prescribed in the law. In different countries, these requirements vary, that in Russia is economic, in Germany or in Israel XO.

                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    Many do not know that with the help of the Combat Knife, bulletproof vests are opened, especially from modern fabric materials, up to the Third Protection Class! This is where their difference comes to light (at the same Fink NKVD). Household - with a blade thickness of 2.4 mm more likely to just break - because the blade is not designed for such loads! Finka XO has 4 mm - huge chances to break through the armor (especially Class 1 and 2). For reference - all the armor of hidden wearing (up to Class 2), the armor of PSC employees ... and not only - not used above Class 2.


                    Much also depends on the material of manufacture - a high-quality household product, which is not a CW, made of high-quality material, of lesser thickness, will withstand greater loads than a "real military army knife", which is thicker, but made of cheap material, because it was purchased through a tender ...

                    And it’s better to pierce the armor with a thick awl, which is not XO.

                    Quote: ANIMAL
                    Now the second. It is one thing to use a knife against a defenseless “victim” or a drunken neighbor, and quite another - against a trained enemy, all five qualifying signs of CW are revealed there.


                    An unprepared one has chances against a prepared one only in case of a sudden attack from behind or at close range, otherwise it doesn’t matter that the unprepared CW and the prepared household have the end anyway.

                    The first best comment I read. hi
            2. Michael HORNET
              Michael HORNET 20 June 2020 11: 56 New
              +1
              What other “blood” did they write? Monthly have women scribblers? The assignment of some part of the knives according to some criteria EXCEPTED from the finger is the height of idiocy. A knife, in principle, cannot be XO by definition, because it is intended for household use. And from time immemorial, a dagger was always intended for battle
            3. Tank hard
              Tank hard 29 June 2020 22: 20 New
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              Quote: Michael HORNET
              What other “blood” did they write? Monthly have women scribblers? The assignment of some part of the knives according to some criteria EXCEPTED from the finger is the height of idiocy. A knife, in principle, cannot be XO by definition, because it is intended for household use. And from time immemorial, a dagger was always intended for battle

              The second best comment I read, which, incidentally, is natural from a Hansa veteran. hi
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 16 June 2020 18: 14 New
    +4
    A ballpoint pen and a crap will be an instrument, but not a weapon, but these are two big differences ...
    Well, you are bloodthirsty laughing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 16 June 2020 18: 32 New
      +3
      I’m not a lawyer, but, in my opinion, the murder weapon is any subject, from a toothpick to RPG-7, but whether the investigating authorities, the judge and the parties of the process are interested in this weapon or not. )))
  • CTABEP
    CTABEP 16 June 2020 19: 26 New
    -2
    What are we talking about - they cut with household knives, and not with cold steel at all, but a delusional law is present about it.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 June 2020 17: 33 New
    +3
    A harmless shoulder blade has not yet been banned.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 16 June 2020 17: 55 New
    +7
    Bullshit, to be honest. The author understands XO in the same way as I do in raising muskrats close to the natural habitat.
    Only one thought in the article is true
    Domestic legislation categorically denies the right ...
    Strongly forbidden ...

  • Undecim
    Undecim 16 June 2020 18: 28 New
    +5
    The authors directly arranged a competition - who will write the worst article.
    For the information of the author - cold and throwing weapons are different types of weapons, if he has already decided to rely on the FEDERAL LAW OF 13.12.96 N 150-FZ "ON WEAPONS".
    In general, this issue is not completely closed. In Russia, until the XNUMXth century, cold steel was called white and the weapons used for hand-to-hand combat were attributed to it, where the enemy can be defeated by a blow, slash or injection.
    Everything was called a throwing weapon, the rest, right down to the guns.
    There is currently no consensus among experts. One part of scientists considers throwing weapons cold, another an independent species, still others take a different position, considering throwing weapons to be cold weapons, but if there are a number of conditions: only muscular human power is used to throw them; after the throw, nothing remains in the hands.
    Currently, there is a conflict of laws, since the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation includes throwing weapons in the category of cold weapons, and the Law "On Weapons" distinguishes them in a separate form.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 16 June 2020 19: 11 New
    +7
    The author is either off topic, or squeezed an article on the hell (I did not find another decent synonym).
  • exo
    exo 16 June 2020 20: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: ANIMAL
    The author, before writing articles - take the trouble to study the issue that you are going to cover!
    Responsibly declare to you - Storage of Cold Weapons is not Prohibited! yes

    Shiyo True! Unlike sales and production!
  • Old26
    Old26 17 June 2020 12: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: garri-lin
    Personally, I consider the only sign as distinguishable from combat by the owner of the household

    I do not agree. I have some knives with a serrator. One of them has a blade 7 cm long, of which the serreitor is 3 cm. When opened, it is placed in the palm of your hand. Also fighting?
    1. Igorpl
      Igorpl 28 June 2020 16: 38 New
      0
      Half pen with serrator
  • Grossvater
    Grossvater 17 June 2020 17: 19 New
    +2
    This is not even Captain Evidence! It's just General Yasen Buoy! What is the article about !?
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 20 June 2020 12: 08 New
      +2
      The stream of consciousness without coming into this same consciousness.
      The tomahawk is supposedly unavailable - although the tomahawks are legally axes and are in almost any self-respecting weapons store
      Well, etc. nonsense
  • Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 17 June 2020 17: 34 New
    0
    Everything you need to know about the chill out Law is that only the forensic center can determine it unambiguously. In the meantime, he will understand, you sit in the bedbug.
  • Michael HORNET
    Michael HORNET 20 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +1
    Empty chatter. About nothing.
    And the knife AT ALL bladed weapons (outside the fictitious GOSTs) has never been, as it was a household
    The “younger” bladed hollow weapon was a dagger
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 21 June 2020 02: 12 New
      +1
      Yes, the law on weapons is not ideal, but for the law to work, departmental orders and instructions are developed for it, i.e. indicate how it should be executed.
      The law regulates the circulation of weapons that are intended (made) for military use for the purpose of killing.

      And suddenly, now some "activist", or even worse - the deputy has studied this article with comments, and now how "will give birth to a deputy initiative" on changes in the legislation on weapons ...
      what
      And, we will buy kitchen knives, screwdrivers, hammers, axes, saws and other cutting, piercing and sawing only having a hunting ticket ?!
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 29 June 2020 22: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Lynx2000
        And suddenly, now some "activist", or even worse - the deputy has studied this article with comments, and now how "will give birth to a deputy initiative" on changes in the legislation on weapons ...

        And, we will buy kitchen knives, screwdrivers, hammers, axes, saws and other cutting, piercing and sawing only having a hunting ticket ?!

        Now the adjustable wrench or open-end wrench of the appropriate size will not yield to any medieval buzdygan, and the metal has become much better. What, prohibit spanners, or maybe the entire auto industry right away? laughing Not armed survives, prepared survives. hi
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 29 June 2020 22: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Michael HORNET
      The “younger” bladed hollow weapon was a dagger

      The weapon of the brave! hi
  • Revolver
    Revolver 10 September 2020 20: 42 New
    0
    In America, even if the object itself is not a weapon, such as a screwdriver, but if it is deliberately brought for disassembly and stabbed, "illegal possession of a weapon" will go to the heap with other charges, the same as for finca or even (depending on the state) trunk. Although in some states the firearm is highlighted in a separate article.